Luka Doncic is a Laker, Most Stunning Trades of All Time & a Super Bowl LIX Preview

I was having a moment with the wife, and then I go,

oh babe, Luka Doncic just got traded to the Lakers.

I need to look at my phone.

She's like, who?

I said, Luka Doncic.

I said, this is a massive deal.

And she goes, more important than like having a baby?

I said, honestly, it is right up there,

like right now with the news.

All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks.

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Matt, where are we going, buddy? Where are we going? We're going to NOLA, baby. We're going to New Orleans for the Super Bowl.
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Has it set in that we are going to Super Bowl 59? Okay, we're going to be live. We're going to be live from the Fanatics Super Bowl party Saturday, February 8th.
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Tune in on Saturday because this lineup, we looked. This might be the best Fanatics lineup for Fanatics Fest yet.
Well, by the way, I need to get to one of these. 2024, last year they had over 70,000 fans reading all this.
That's crazy.

More event space, collector experience, which I'm a fan of,

and I'm going to get you into that.

I know you're going to get into that a little bit.

Give me the initial lineup that we have,

who we initially know is going to be showing. We got Jaden Daniels.

We got Jamar Chase, Tyreek Hill, Micah Parsons, Devontae Adams,

Tom Brady's going to make an appearance, Peyton Manning, and Eon Manning. Can't wait.
I mean, that's, yeah. If you go online and you look at, like, just who showed up last year, it's just a who's who.
You have musicians, athletes, anyone that's just kind of, one, a part of Fanatics, but also just into collecting and cards and all that kind of stuff. It's awesome, man.
So, yeah, I mean, fired up. Yep, Javits Center in New York City, June 20th to the 22nd.
And, again, so if you want to be a part of this, just follow along, get some comments, subscribe to the Throwback Show, and enter and tune in on Saturday for your two VIP tickets to Fanatics Fest. Let me ask you a question, Jared.
We're obviously, you know, we're doing the red carpet this weekend, which is fired up, and I'm sure we'll talk more about that in a second. What are you looking forward to most of the Super Bowl this week? Outside of the red carpet, just anything.
When you go to the Super Bowl, what are you looking forward to the most? I was excited for a lot of things. Can I just say, currently, right now, I'm excited to just get there.
The Ferraris are limping along in 2025. We started off the year great.
Went to the Bahamas right after New Year's. The minute we got back, every kid has been sick.
And I've basically been like the only one who hasn't gotten hit yet but currently in the ferrara household one kid went down saturday with that awful stomach virus if you're a parent out there you know when that stomach thing hits then the next kid went down and now currently my wife is down and now i'm just walking around like the cia has a hit out on me i'm just oh it's the plague it just comes from isn't that the word it's actually when you know you're the first person your family gets hit out on me. I'm just waiting.
It's the plague. It just comes from...
Isn't that the worst? It's actually... When you know the first person in your family gets hit, you know it's just circulating.
So then I'm at like... I always tell my wife, I'm like, I just want to be next.
Just give it to me now so I can get over it. The fact that you're dodging it, you're just dodging strays right now, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Three in the morning. When I say it was like, I got thrown up in my hair, my face, it hit me everywhere.
So basically I'm like walking dead. I know I'm going to turn into a zombie.
I just don't know when. So I'm hoping just to get there.
Bree's not feeling good. Bree is out for the count.
I just brought her some water. She's like, I can't even drink that.
But I ordered us some IVs. I think we need an IV sponsorship.
IVs are coming. Dude, I gotta get to this red carpet.
By the way, I got, I got, even if we hook you up to a freaking IV Saturday, you're going to be there with me. What if I do an IV on the red carpet? Would that freak people out? By the way, you do an IV on the red carpet with those shoes you got right behind you, a New York Knicks jersey and a hat.
Fuck, bro. Are you kidding me? Well, I see you with your Lakers shirt.
We are going to talk. We have to talk.
It is a lot. Yeah.
Wow. It just has to happen.
We're going to hit all that. And obviously we're going to talk about the actual Super Bowl and the game itself.
Yeah. Last thing on the kid front, I had a little bit of an embarrassing moment so both the kids are healed up i went back to school for the first time in days my i have a five-year-old three-year-old the three-year-old five-year-old loves to go to school he was mad he had to stay home sick which is unheard of three-year-old now knows like hey if i'm sick i stay home from school he's developed a fake cough it's a horrible performance from the son of two actors you think he would know how to i'm like buddy you're not

fooling anyone the fake stomach ache he said he had to stay home because he swallowed a penny

so brie and i yesterday had to conduct a full investigation to make sure this kid didn't

swallow a penny but finally we get to school today i had to walk them in because we're late

of course that's what happens five-year-old runs in and a little three-year-old's over there smiling

I'm going to go? You can't have toys in school? I'm like, where are they? I have to take his jacket off. I pat him down like he's under arrest.
Buzz Lightyear, Lightning McQueen. He had four matchbox cars in his pocket just in his pockets loaded up so he's the one he's the one that is gonna be the kid who tries to like drop out of school in first grade that's that's that sounds like me when i was little when i was super fat i used to hide popsicles in my pot in my pockets i used to popsicle? I used to, not to school, but to school, but I used to put them in my pockets.
And I hear them, dude. I mean, I used to put popsicles in my pockets, run outside, eat them really fast, put the trash back in my pocket, and then throw, I was probably nine, eight, seven.
This was when you were fat liner? Oh, this one, I was fat Matt, dude, fat Matt so i love that we both have a history of uh being bigger you isn't it it's funny like these three and five both ages are just so fun because our little ones are the same just like sneaky kind of just like canon will just will literally take his hot wheels to school too he'll take a nerf gun i said bro we can't take oh can't do that dude do not do that we cannot take nerf guns but daddy it's not real it's like nerf i'm like yeah we can't do that um but yeah man it's fun i'm sorry you guys are going through that dude that is hell it's it's just because yeah you just don't know when it's going to happen it's just going to hit you at some point hopefully. Hopefully it doesn't.
Hopefully I get 100% of Jerry this weekend in New Orleans. I can't make you go solo.
Imagine if I go down right before the Fanatics party and you have to be solo on the carpet. Listen, man.
Do you try to find a replacement or do you go solo? I can't replace you. I'll just go solo.
Listen, if that happens, I will be there. I will rock it.
I feel like you got to bring Karin in. We have some people I feel like I could fill in.
Maybe I'll, yeah, I'll just get, I'll just pull someone from the red carpet and be like, dude, you want to do this with me for the next hour? Maybe that'll be a giveaway too. Hey, you could co-host the throwbacks from the red carpet if Jerry goes down with stomach flu.
I'll just be taking questions from like X or something and just be like, hey, what do you guys want me to ask Gronk and Julian? Whatever. You're going to be good, dude.
We're going to make it. I see you with your Lakers shirt.
Okay. I know everybody and their mother has commented on this trade, but we haven't yet because we air on Thursdays.
And as we're airing this now, the trade deadline is coming. It's Thursday.
So we don't know what has happened just yet, if there's going to be more. But as of right now, how did you get the news? And how did you feel first reaction right away? Well, I was, what was I doing? It was about 9.20.
For me, it was almost 12.30. There's a lot going on in liner house over the past week okay and i'm gonna save it i'm gonna save it for next week but i was having a moment with the wife i didn't have my phone for about you know i i'm guilty i have my phone on me a lot you know it's one of the things that 2025 i'm like you know just especially when i'm with my all my kids and whatever like put it away for a little bit, but I didn't have it.
We were having a moment. We're talking about, uh, you know, just getting ready, obviously getting ready to have a baby and all of these types of things.
And like about 30 minutes after we're talking, I just looked at my phone and I had like 35 text messages from all my, as you can imagine, like all my boys, Luca to the Lakers. I'm like, I was, I had the same, I had the same reactions to everybody else.
I'm like, I literally was like, what the fuck? Like for 80, like it just was bizarre. So then, and then I'm like, and then I go, oh babe, Luca Doncic just got traded to the Lakers.
I need to, I need to look at my phone. She's like, who? I said, Luca Doncic.
I said, this is a massive deal. This is huge.
And she goes, more important than like having a baby. I said, honestly, it is right up there, like right now with the news.
Oh yeah, it was hysterical. So that's how I got it.
And then like anybody else, I just opened up the article, started reading. And at that point, it was just like, Luca traded to LA for Anthony Davis and Christie and a pick and all that kind of stuff.
So there wasn't a lot of detail behind it. So like you and everybody else, I was just like, why, how, what was this about? And then after the last couple of days, I still can't wrap my head around it.
Like I still, there's a lot of conspiracy theories out there, reasons why and all this stuff. But I will say this.
I love AD.

He won us a championship in 2020.

He's a beast.

I know there's been injuries and all that kind of stuff.

He's been having a great year.

He's unbelievable this year.

I'll miss AD.

I was always an AD fan.

There's a lot of AD haters out there.

I thought he was fantastic.

But Luka Doncic to the Lakers for the next 10 years, it's unbelievable. So, yeah.
You've been salty this week, by the way. You've just been salty.
Maybe that's because you got a little, you're just salty on X about Lakers maybe going after Mitchell Robinson. That is so stupid.
It's so stupid. And you're blaming it.
It's always like the rich get richer, right? Like the, how did the rich get richer? It's the people on X don't watch anything else, but their other team. Like, and I get it.
You don't have maybe time to watch or follow along. What's going on with Mitchell Robinson been hurt a lot too, dude.
And you've been, you've been defending him. Like, well, we better get a lot for him.
I said, what are you? I never said we better get a lot. Yes, you did.
I'm saying we also need a center. So you have two teams who are now without a big man that they very much need.
Although I have no problems with Jackson Hayes right now, who is healthy, which is one of the best available things. But everyone on Twitter, when the report came out, the Lakers are the thing that made me so salty x got a little bit ridiculous i mean x is a ridiculous thing in general but with the like oh the lakers are targeting mitchell robinson the golden state warriors targeted everybody in the entire nba present they were connected to everyone they're not going to get anyone who knows maybe they get durant but laker fans go oh we're going after mitchell robinson now like first of all you guys don't have anything left your cupboard is bare you have one we have we we have you're not going to give you're not going to give that for mitchell robinson i wouldn't expect you to give the 2031 first round pick for a player who's always hurt so that's not happening are you going to give us jackson hayes back because we need a center too the only person in the center market before you guys were in the center market.
Is now our friend of throwbacks, Austin Reeves. And I don't want to get rid of Austin Reeves.
But a lot of teams would take Austin Reeves. Imagine if Austin Reeves went to the Knicks.
But would you do- By the way, you wouldn't trade Austin Reeves for Mitchell Robinson either. So it just was a dumb thing.
It's people who read the headline and don't pay attention. I don't think the rich get richer i'm still there's actually there's been a lot of interesting conspiracies on why this happened d wade actually had the interesting one i'm sure you said that about the he he he basically said that because of the nba and obviously the it's right? The ratings and all this kind of stuff.

His thought was the only- This came above-

D-Wade said this?

How did I miss this?

I love D-Wade.

Yeah, look it up right now.

This kid or Andrew, put the article in the chat.

We can open it up.

This came above the GM in my opinion.

I don't think a smart GM-

What's the GM's name?

I'm blanking.

Nico Harrison.

Okay, Nico Harrison.

You're trying to tell me that that general manager did that deal and be like, we're not getting enough back. It's okay.
That came, for me, I feel like that came from above him and say, this is happening. We're going to do it.
It has to. It has to.
No, of course, ownership. D-Wade talked about the tv and the billion dollar tv deal and how the nba ratings have been bad and this and that and in his way what basically wasn't surprised if the billionaires came together and just said let's set let's let's trade luca to la the outside of new york the biggest market in mba to the lakers the most storied program maybe in n jersey sales, ticket sales, exposure to Europe and Spain.
Read the article. You can read it right now.
The quote was actually fairly interesting. I'm not saying that's the reason why, but why? You mean to tell me that you think the guy just led the Dallas Mavericks to the NBA finals a year ago.
I don't care if he weighs 270 or 290. I think Shaq came out this week and said, him at 270 is better than 99.9% of every guard in the NBA.
Yeah, he's like 6'9", too. It's not like he's 6'1", 270.
He's 6'9". There's something behind it.
I think everybody feels the same. Why is the question? I don't buy that because...
I don't buy it either but i guess like i guess the moral of the story is maybe they're final finally we have lebron fatigue because if you look at the lakers it's not like the lakers don't have two superstars and aren't must-see tv they have lebron friggin james and anthony davis do they need to be better do the lakers need to be better meaning is it better if the l are in the Western Conference Finals, not getting bounced in the first round every year since the bubble? Yeah, that would be better. They've just, because the regular season for the Lakers has been so unsuccessful, whether it's health or LeBron getting up there in age, they keep getting in the play-in game.
Then they run into the Nuggets in the first round when they're playing the Picasso of centers of all time in all time and yokich so i just don't unless you're saying to me hey even the lakers numbers are down lebron's not drawn an audience so let's put luca there but i can't get around that because maybe it is better for overall business but if you own the mavericks i know you want the league to be healthy and the TV deal's good for everyone, but you want, this is your team. Read this article and it's interesting because the owners are different dudes, whatever.
My question, and this is what's been talked about all week and you've heard Giannis, you've heard Booker, you've heard- Booker's been very outspoken. You've heard Ant-Man.
Yeah. This is, this is i don't think by the way it's smart by the nba like that's all people are talking about right now and the super bowl is coming up i've never and i'm i love i the nba trade deadline is awesome i love it every year i think it's just like you just wake up you're like oh my god this is happening this is happening this year just feels And the biggest question, Jerry, is who's safe, who's not? That to me is the biggest thing.

It feels like anybody now at any moment,

now Jokic isn't getting traded this year, whatever.

But isn't that bizarre?

Anybody is free game.

It really poked a hole in my NFL needs to have a lottery on this weekend because there's nothing else to do because the NBA didn't even wait for the trade deadline. Maybe you could get me on that conspiracy too of like, hey, we're not even going to wait for the trade deadline.
Let's do it now and own the weekend. I don't really subscribe to any of this conspiracy stuff.
I really don't. Going even back to Patrick Ewing frozen envelope theory, like sure, today's's day there's too many people talking with too many outlets to hold any secrets if there ever was any of that stuff luca donchich to the lakers was a secret it was a secret because they didn't talk to other teams that's why but they well if they would have went out so this is part of how to be able to move a superstar like without anybody knowing, I don't care if you didn't talk to anybody.
I'm telling you, that's just never been heard of. Well, if you're the Lakers, you're not going to talk because you know if you leak it, you could screw it.
Dallas certainly isn't going to talk. So I actually like the trade for Dallas.
I do too. But the problem is they should have just gotten more from the Lakers.
I don't really even care. I feel for the Dallas fans, by the way.
I really, really do. I will be rooting for Dallas in the West just because I feel for those fans because I know they had such a connection to Luka and if Jaden Burnson got traded, I would feel horrible too.
So I'm rooting for the Mavs. But go around the NBA, Matt.
And I've tried. What packages out there will any of these other teams have that you could say is better than what the Lakers should have given? Because the Lakers should have also given the 2031 and Dalton Connect.
The package should have been bigger from the the Lakers but in terms of AD Christie in a first AD is worth what at least three unprotected first that's the reason why this came above the general manager because I don't think any sane general manager would do that deal without getting more in return right he like the jet the GM has a relationship with AD clearly and I think he loves AD and when it when AD healthy, he's arguably a top five player in the league, like best two-way, big, he's phenomenal. I'm with you, trust me.
But go down the NBA. No, I get it.
Who has a package? Are you going to call New Orleans and get Zion and five unprotected firsts? No. Are you going to go to Miami and four unprotected first and jimmy butler no the brooklyn nets only have picks you could have probably put something together for durant i mean you could have put something together to package a couple players all right but i love durant i love kevin durant he's 36 like how like how much 31 32 i i get it i'm just letting you i'm sure if they would have called other teams and other teams who were like, what else does Phoenix have besides Durant? They don't have picks.
They're out of picks. They don't have like, so is that a better package than what the Lakers got? Well, I think Dallas did was say, we don't want five mid to late first round picks.
Cause if you trade Luca to a team, odds are that team's going to win 48 to 50 games by accident. So we don't want five first round picks.
They're going to end up being 23 overall for the next five years. And they wanted a player.
They wanted a top 10 player and a pick. I'm very high on Max Christie.
He destroyed the Knicks Saturday. He's a good player.
And he was really good the other night in Philly, even though they didn't win the game. So they just should have gotten more from the Lakers.
That's the bottom line. Can you imagine I know Rob Palenka fairly well when I see him.
His kids played my flag football league. He's already dressing like a bad guy.
I mean I'm not texting with them obviously but can you imagine being Rob Palenka and getting that call? I think there was an article that came out and said hey we're gonna shop luca are you interested however went and rob's probably stopped stop breaking my balls yeah what do you want what do you let's talk we want ad max christie and maybe one of your first he goes he goes are you serious and this this is the thing. I love the trade for both teams in the sense for Dallas.
That roster, in my opinion, I love Dallas because I love Luka. I love Kyrie.
And let's see if they're done. They may not be done.
They might not be done. What if they get Durant? That team, even the team now with Kyrie and PJ Washington and all the size they have and AD, if healthy, that, Clay, that team can win a championship right now.
Lively, Gafford. That team can win a championship right now.
The Lakers, you know, we're going to find out if they get a center, obviously. They need size.
Jackson Hayes might be okay now given an opportunity, but they need somebody. Lakers got better in their way, but they also just got better for the next 10 years.
That's assuming Luka resigns. There's a lot that has to happen, but I love the move because it was the first time now that they're thinking outside of LeBron and they're thinking for what's best with the future.
And LeBron even said that this week too. As a Laker fan, I love it.
Luka's must-see TV. He's a hell of a player.
And he's only 25 years old, which is... Well, in honor of this, our throwback three this week is going to be stunning trades.
So that'll be our throwback three. You and I will list off.
I almost want to take this one out because, number one, it's probably the number one. But also in the generation we're in now where we could talk about it to thousands of people via Twitter and Instagram and all that, it's definitely the most talked about trade I've ever seen.
A couple of things for Luka that's going to be interesting. Number one, obviously the fit with LeBron.
I know a lot of people have been like, it's going to be awesome. Some people have said it's going to suck because they both need the ball.
You have two of the smartest IQ basketball players of all time. Yes, defense might not be as good.
They said that about Kyrie and Luca too. And look what happened.
Yes. Ball dominant guards.
So, but they would not lost in all this. I like what my boy Chandler Parsons was putting out there.
I don't know. Cause you know, he obviously knows the Mavericks organization well from back in the day.
It really did not seem like Luka knew and was saying, hey, Luka in his own interview never said, I'm not signing the Supermax. This just happened.
Bought the house. But then also he loses out in the Supermax.
And then you know this. I didn't even know then you get that that california state tax oh so he really got hit jerry matt if i took away he lost 100 million dollars though i know he's not gonna be crying 300 million you're good dude you're good listen small thought you're good here's what i'm talking about for luca to me, oh, maybe this will motivate him.
Luka does not need to be motivated on the court.

When that dude's playing, he's a beast.

He's super competitive.

He's talking shit to everybody.

He took the Mavs to the finals.

I can't wait for Lakers-Mavs playoffs.

I do think this could motivate him for the off-the-court stuff.

And who better to be there than the guy who spends like 1.5 mil? He's going to put Luka in a hyperbaric chamber. By the way, LeBron is Luka's idol.
This is the perfect, as a Laker fan, it is perfect because Luka's idol, LeBron, and Kobe. He even talked about Kobe in the press conference.
He's going to be around maybe the greatest to ever play, right? Top two or three who takes care of his body, all the things that you talked about. And maybe he can just instill some of that wisdom and advice.
And this is how you can do it, man, for the next 15 years. And you could be a Laker and you can be one of the greatest Lakers to ever play.
And you guys got Maxi Kleber. You guys got Maxi Kleber too.
Dude, I cannot believe the Lakers are fucking Luka Doncic. Holy shit.
You're getting that 77 jersey. Will you get it for the kids or you're going to rock the 77 jersey? Because I know how you feel about that jersey stuff.
Listen, I have my old school Kobe jersey. You know, I don't cheat on Kobe.
I got, well, I got a sign Kobe that says to Matt. I got mama mentality, but I might have to get me a Lca jersey there's no doubt there's no doubt that'll be my pajamas we're gonna talk uh nfl god what a week in a minute nfl's coming up but now it's time for dynamic duos presented by wendy's two faves for just seven bucks gotta be wendy's terms apply each week matt and i and throw at throwbacks we pick a category for our all-time favorite duo.
We've done Golden Globe hosts. Last week, we did TV Parents.
This week, because it's the Lakers, and we're all talking about it, we're going to go our all-time Lakers duo and dynamic duos. I'm going to clear the floor for you because I have a few candidates here, but I feel like yours is the one that matters because you're a bigger fan.
Although LA for 20 years, I've been around the Lakers a lot. This is not even, as a Laker fan, my dad would disagree because my dad would be more old school.
That's for sure. Let me just set the table really quick outside of the celtics i wouldn't even maybe that maybe the knicks maybe the knicks when you look at the lakers and you look at this and you go back and you just say duos or players it is unbelievable the amount of hall of famers and just some greatest of all time.
If you go top 25 greatest NBA players of all time, put LeBron in that list, right? If you consider him a Laker, all that. Luka, again, obviously nowadays these guys bounce around.
Supports D. Wade.
They probably have 10 dudes. It supports what D.
Wade was saying. They always have the guy.
They always have it. So my point is when you do some of this and you can talk about like Jerry West and Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain back in the day, that's way before my time.
And not enough rings, in my opinion. Not enough rings.
It's Kobe and Shaq. You would probably agree, considering we are in the same era of watching basketball.
Arguably the greatest duo of all time. Jordan Pippen is the one, arguably.
And I was looking this up. I remember Clear's Day, like the early 2000s.
The last major sports team, the three-peat. The Chiefs going for that this weekend.
The most dominant player of all time in Shaquille O'Neal. In my opinion, 1A, 1B to Jordan, Kobe Bryant.
I think he's more in the argument than LeBron is the greatest player of all time. We'll have to have an episode on that one day.
I like that. We'll do an episode on that.

The whole go.

I don't know.

I look at it.

Well,

the whole goat talk is another thing.

It's so personal.

Honestly,

it's,

it's your personal opinion.

Um,

I think it's so old and all that.

LeBron is great.

LeBron,

maybe the greatest athlete of all time.

Like what he's been able to do.

Tom Brady.

I would say like Tom Brady played at 45 in the NFL.

It's like ridiculous.

I'm just saying the closest thing to Jordan is Kobe Bryant. It's not even close.
It's the type of game, the killer, all of that. Anyway, I remember a lot of this clear as day because I was 18, 19 years old, diehard Laker fan, watched every playoff game, and they won the three-peat.
And then I started thinking like, man, what if, right? That was the whole thing. And that's what Shaq would say now.
And obviously Kobe Kobe's not with us anymore which is just still unfathomable to even think that happened um the the riff and the feud and all the little things that happened and I was looking it up and Phil Jackson got like fined them because they were talking shit to each other there's just so many different things I'm like man if they would have put their egos aside they probably I mean that's one of those things there those things. There wasn't an if.
They would have won two or three more championships. They'd probably get six.
They'd probably get five or six. They'd definitely get five or six.
They would definitely get one or two more, and they won three. I mean, Kobe got to five without Shaq.
And Shaq got the one with D-Wade in Miami. So, to me, they're maybe the greatest duo of all time.
They're the most dominant player of all time. Arguably the greatest of all time in the conversation of the top three, in my opinion.
And yeah, I mean, when I think of Lakers, I do think of Magic and Kareem. I think that's the other one, but in my era.
They got five of them things. They got five of those things.
They're ridiculous, but it's Kobe and Shaq, man. It is Kobe and Shaq.
it is Kobe I agree so I'm not gonna really one up all I'll say is though a very important one that came along that does almost feel similar to this although he was not nearly as good or famous like box office globally as Luca the Lakers getting pal yeah another player no available. No one.
The trade happened, and GMs were like, wait a minute. Gasol's available.
What do you mean? Like, what happened? When Shaq left, we were miserable. I remember those teams.
Three or four years, just miserable. You had, we drafted, Chris Mim was a starting center.
starting center there's no disrespect to anybody but we just didn't have any players and in the Shaq trade we got um got Lamar Odom we got a couple guys but we just like it just never materialized and it was just Kobe he's like I think he got to the playoffs a couple times but we were just weren't very good and that was when we lost I think we lost to Phoenix Suns suns in that because i was in arizona i remember i think we lost to phoenix when they had the they were running and gun and they had uh marion and amari stoudemire and steve nash but then we got pow and i remember kobe was like kobe needed a big because that was the whole triangle offense and they needed a big and pow gosh i mean hall of famer more one of the more underrated players of all time. Like, Pau was unbelievable.
Unbelievable. Perfect player for Kobe.
Perfect player, too. And then they had the right pieces around him.
You had the right pieces around him, and they won, yeah, what, two more. Two more, Rick Fah, yeah.
Odom, big Odom. So you got Shaq and Kobe? I do, only because I witnessed it.
But, you know. Magic and Kareem.

I started, I'm a little older than you,

so I do remember the very, very tail end of Magic and Kareem and Showtime.

But the first real finals that I watched where I was, like,

so dialed in was Lakers Bulls with Magic and no Kareem.

So, you know.

My dad always says this. Would your dad say Magic and Kareem? Oh, for sure.
Just like you'd say Muhammad Ali is the great, but we, we would always, we would always say this. I said, this whole conversation, I said, pop magic.
You think magic's going to guard Kobe magic can't guard Kobe. And he's like, you think Kobe could guard magic magic six, nine, he'll post them i said okay well kobe's 6-6 and then i said you think i said you think shaq you think kareem is gonna be able to uh you know box out shaq shaq gonna dunk all he's like you think you think shaq's gonna block kareem sky hook what is he gonna do with that sky that's a great conversation i said pop i said kareem you could put kareem as the greatest player of all time too.
I mean, he was the point, like Kareem is unbelievable, right? And the skyhook was unblockable, but Kareem was 7'2", 7'1", 200 pounds. Shaq was 7'1", 320 pounds.
And in his prime, like, you can't stop him. You could not stop him.
And you can't tell me Kareem was keeping him out of the low post. No one was.
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All right, we're back. We actually got into a little bit of a heated podcast discussion off the air.
We did the podcast before the podcast. So we're just going to bring you up to speed before we dive in on the Super Bowl.
We were talking about the calls and the Chiefs, obviously, people believe that they get calls. I thought I am not for like shock journalism.
Like those dudes who got into the press conference and asked Kelsey, would you grab? That's just, look, some people love that stuff. That stuff goes viral.
Everyone saw it. And then even asking like my home, like I, to me, that doesn't do it for me.
that's not the shit i want to see i i see it on my timeline and it no those guys should be banned yeah that was that was all bs that was all correct bait yeah it's stupid um but um and then we were talking to our esteemed producer andrew gunling was a big eagles fan uh we were talking about the chiefs and the calls and then that the previous super bowl up with the holding call on Bradbury against Juju was that not holding Matt Leiner those of you listening or watching pull up the play on YouTube it was like a clear holding but that wasn't called all game and there's holding calls my thing is refs miss calls all the time and they make calls. Like it happens throughout a game.
It's sports. Being a ref is nearly impossible to get the right call every time.
But you think the Chiefs are on the better end. But look at the spot with Josh Allen.
I thought that was a clear first down. A clear first down, even after replay.
And I think the argument is that it feels like they get a lot of calls in the most opportune times needed. End of games, whether another team, Josh Allen, that one is a perfect example.
I've been in enough sporting events live. You certainly have.
You certainly have. I've been on the sidelines.elines i've seen good calls i've seen bad calls uh i'm always the one that said you can't bills did enough to win that game don't do the tush push 19 times and not right there's so i'm always on the other side like do they get a little favoritism eh maybe maybe they get, maybe Tom Brady got a lot of calls in his day.

MJ got a lot of calls.

Greatness gets calls.

I think that's-

They get the benefit of the doubt.

If it's close-

They get the benefit of the doubt.

So is there something like that going on?

Maybe here and there.

But to say that they're getting these calls

and it's every week, I don't buy it.

I'm not on that wagon. I think the Chiefs, and they proved it again in clutch time.
We talked about it last week. They had maybe the two greatest in-game play callers on both sides of the ball that we've seen.
They have one of the best players to ever do it, and they find ways to win all the time. So I'm not in that.
I do think it's going to be interesting to see again in this super bowl if there's a couple questionable calls that go their way yeah because so let's let's put a theory together if we're saying not when if we're pretend saying that the nfl would really like for the chiefs to be in the super bowl for whatever ratings taylor swift whatever if we're saying all that and they always get the benefit of the doubt all, the Chiefs are here now. They're in the Super Bowl.
Do they actually want the Chiefs to win? Do they want, will they go as far as to say like we want them on that podium? I think they want a close game. That's all really anyone cares about.
If you go back to the Bradbury hold on Juju, and we were talking to Andrew about this on our quick break. Yes, it was a clear holding.
No, there hasn't been any holding calls up until that point. But if you go back and watch, I watched a few moments from it because that play is pretty iconic.
There wasn't tons of intended receivers where the ball went to them and it was like, oh, there was a clear holding and they just didn't call it. I'm sure there's holding going on off the ball every single play

that's not getting called.

But in that moment, you're saying, how could you call it?

It's in front of the world.

We saw where the ball went.

Okay, but do you know how holding is,

holding amongst offensive line, defensive line, DB.

All day long.

It's all day long.

So when you don't call it all game and it's not super blatant,

that's the thing.

It's like, is it a blatant hold when it's slowed down and in your face?

I mean, you could call that 57 times a game, dude, if we just slow mode every damn hold. Right.
But in that moment, a little pickpocket, a little hold, a little tug on the jersey, and then you play. In that moment, it's like, how could you call that in that moment when you haven't called it all game that is a serious argument that's on all by the way that's probably when the chiefs teams teams put in plays they send plays to the league office every week yep missed missed uh missed penalties or targeting or whatever whatever it is they send and say this is bs this didn.
And they, they basically fight some of those things. Chiefs do that too.
But I'm just saying that it just feels like, and now this is so like, it's under the microscope, right? With the Chiefs, especially in the playoffs that they just, they, they get some of those breaks that you're just look at. Bradbury admitted, he said, yeah, it was a whole, it was a penalty.
I think, I penalty. I think there's a bigger argument of when they played, what was it, the Texans, and there were a couple phantom roughing the passer calls.
That, to me, is the reason why, again, this has all started in this play. It doesn't help that Mahomes is flopping to get a lot of those, which goes on in every sport, and he's mastered it, and he's kind of flopping to help it it out but you can't flop in the nba anymore right isn't it it's a they enforce that rule for like the first two weeks and then once a month they'll say hey we got to call one more this is why i just want to go back to the 80s and 90s dude and just let them just i'm with you i do think that the chiefs probably are on the better end of things but I can't say that it's like some thing that the league is.
It's not an NFL rigged thing. The NFL is not rigged.
It's not. And I'm with that.
I don't think the ratings would be crazy low if it was Bill's Eagles. I think they'd be right up there.
Maybe you lose the Taylor Swift casual fan who maybe want like, I still think that that TV is on and those people are watching. So that's my two cents.
No, I think, listen, I work at Fox. Fox has the game.
They want a good Super Bowl to end on the last play of the game. I'll tell you that.
That's for sure. Okay.
Let's take a few things. And we're going to talk in a lot more detail on the Fanatics red carpet once we're in New Orleans.

And we're going to have tons of athletes to maybe get some of their feedback to and some of their takes.

But right now, it's our moment here.

Do you have a rooting interest other than a good game because of Fox?

Do you want to see the 3P?

Or some people root.

I think that's part of the fun of sports. I was rooting against the Warriors and that amazing run just because it was fun to root against them.
I wasn't mad when they won, but I wanted to see it stopped. So where do you line up with three-peat versus do you want to see it stopped? Gosh, I don't.
Lazy answers. I really don't care, to be honest with you.

I like to see, I root for guys more.

Like I would love to see Saquon,

and this isn't, I would love to say Saquon win a Super Bowl.

I love Saquon.

I think he's a great dude.

I'd love to see new players experience that.

That's something some of those guys haven't experienced. You know, brown like some of these guys like like jalen hurts like experiencing that is i know we were close to experience that in arizona but we didn't so so for that part it's just like it's there's no bigger feeling in sport to be able to to say you're a super bowl champ um i also and i said it last week i appreciate greatness i respect i I love Andy Reid.
I wish I would have been able to play for him. Like I just, he's just one of the greatest.
I love my homes. There's, there's to me, there's nothing unlikable about the Chiefs.
I love Kelsey. I love those guys.
Like that's the thing is like, they're not unlikable to me. I love Chris Jones.
I think that people are just tired. It's just the tired thing, right? They're tired of seeing it.
So again, I'll be happy either way. I do root for a great game.
I'd love to see Saquon go off. And I'd love, I would love to see, this is what I'd love to see.
What's your ideal experience as a civilian watching? I would love to see it reversed. And I would love to see Jalen Hurts with the ball with a minute and a half to win the game we because we've seen that well i said i know spagnolo's gonna blitz off the edge four guys we saw that last we saw that and and i would like to see that scenario play itself out a couple minutes left and it's not because because again you if mahomes gets the ball down three you know or down or down three points or whatever, six points with two minutes left, they're going to win the game.
We've seen that. We've seen that story be written multiple times.
I want to see Jalen Hurts have that opportunity and go down and win the game. My thing is, for a viewing experience, if the Eagles are going to beat the Chiefs, the way I would like to see it is, stop Patrickomes with a minute left up three or whatever, up six, then do it.
Do the thing that everyone said can't be done. Cause then you have to get, you have to stand up and clap whether you love the Eagles or hate them.
And I don't particularly care for them, but if they do that, you have to clap it up. And for the Eagles, I mean, gosh, they would, I know they lost to Mahomes, but they will will have beaten brady in the super bowl and they went a long time without super bowl wins and then this if they could but that's the way i would want to see it i would want to see mahomes down three or six with the ball with a minute to go and a timeout and say what do you got what do you got i'm telling you what if there's a team, I mean, the Eagles are dominant.
The Eagles have been dominant all year.

And the story, really more the narrative this year was Jalen Hurts,

they can't throw the ball, they're disgruntled A.J. Brown, whatever.

Okay.

You have the best running back in the game right now.

You have a dominant offensive line.

You have a dominant defense and a defensive line.

We're going to go unit by unit right now. If there's a team, I think if I would say this, if there's a team ever that we've seen that can, that should be able to slow and beat the chiefs, it's this year's Eagles based on how they're built up front, dominant, a dominant run game to kind of control the ball.
They have big time guys on the outside with AJ Brown. Like they have everybody and Jalen hurts in the playoffs is fantastic.
So they are built to win. Let's do some fun.
Let's just go unit by unit who we think has the edge. None of this might factor in, but I think it's a fun way to look at a game.
Now we'll start with something that I'm not as familiar with, but I think I have a feel for what unit has, what team has the better special teams unit. And I mean, I could care less about special.
I know, but it is going to come up. Elliot's had a little bit of a rough year.
Cooper Cooper has been good return to punts. Philly's forced to fumbles on kickoffs.
I'm going to give a slight, I call it a wash. Cause I mean, Harrison Bucker is the best.
I mean, he's best kicker kicker in the league especially in the playoffs now let's get some more fun stuff okay we'll move on from special who has the coaching advantage andy reed andy reed chiefs who has the quarterback advantage next okay i mean it's just i mean there's no slide on somebody of the offensive line. Oh, Eagles.
Okay. The chief, the chiefs though line has gotten better, but the Eagles have the best offense line in football.
Now the next two were the hard. Well, this is a fun one.
I think I know which way you'll go. Skill positions.
Hmm. You got Saquon, AJ, Devante.
I mean, it's just, I i i would say gosh kareem hunt's been fantastic by the way a little story not a lot of people are talking about he's been awesome since he's been coming back and being the guy yeah he's taken over i mean pacheco's you know spells him now um i would this one's tough. I would lean, I lean the Eagles.

Same.

Because they have a freaking running back.

It's a lot of talent.

They just have a lot of talent.

I mean, AJ Brown is the best receiver on the field.

Devontae Smith might be the second or third best receiver on the field.

If you talk about, I mean, D hop is great.

You know, he's not much of the offense and, and, you know,

as worthy as young and all those things, Kelsey's Kelsey. But I think just pure skill.
Goddard's pretty damn good. Goddard's been phenomenal.
You would lean that. The thing about the Chiefs, man, it's just, you know, you have the best tight end to ever play who turns it on in the playoffs.
And you have just so many guys that always step up and make a play. So on paper, yeah, I think it's the Eagles,

but in the moments, Worthy will step up. You know, Juju Smith, he's going to step up in this game.

Dehop hasn't been much of the offense at all, may make a big, I mean, he's still one of the best

receivers to ever play. I'm definitely betting him to score a touch there, just based off of

his Instagram post. I don't care.
I'm going with the emotion of it. I think it depends on the

circumstance and the situation. I think on paper, it's the Eagles.
I would lean the Eagles, but

Thank you. his Instagram post.
I don't care. I'm going with the emotion of it.
I think it depends on the circumstance and the situation. I think on paper, it's the Eagles.
I would lean the Eagles, but yeah, man. This one, I think it's pretty, it's closer than you think.
D-line, front four, front seven push. Who do you got? I would say the Eagles.
Eagles too, but you can't discount. Chris Jones is a game wrecker, but so is Jalen Carter.
And I think overall the Eagles front four. Now, if you put Spagnola and what they're able to do and all that, then again, that's what I'm saying.
Which is part of the coaching. It's not just Andy Reid, Spags.
That's why I think coaching favors them by far. And secondary, I think both secondaries are really, really you know i had a hard time really separating i think both of them could also be exposed so i had a little bit of a hard time probably say i would probably say the eagles statistically has been better this year but yeah i mean i think eagles have a lot more checks than the chiefs buddy.
I mean, I'll tell you who doesn't care about that. I'm going to read you some other fun stuff.
So John Ewing, if you guys don't follow John Ewing on Twitter, you should. Covers a lot of the betting stuff for BetMGM, one of the places that I've been a part of for a while.
A bettor at BetMGM has waged $125,000 Chiefs Eagles under 49 and a half. A bet that I can't make because I hate rooting for unders.
That one caught my eye. This one is, I mean, well, coin toss heads currently at BetMGM is being bet 53%.
We like that. Majority of the bets are on the Eagles to win the Super Bowl in all states except Kansas at this point.
So, and then one better at BetMGM, $1,500 on Dallas Goddard to win Super Bowl MVP plus $10,000. That $1,500 to win $150K.
And then lastly, one better at BetMGM put 800,000

on the Eagles plus 110 to win.

So

a lot of the money going in

on a lot of Eagles and under things.

I've seen a lot of unders.

Under on both teams.

I just don't have it in me to bet the under.

Yeah.

I'm such a casual to root betting-wise to root for no points,

but I do have a few fun bets for you.

You want to talk me off the ledge of any of these?

I'm happy for you to do that, okay?

Hold on, let me see.

Well, also, John, 99% of money is on Saquon over receiving yards.

His receiving yards are over-under 13.5.

Now, he's only done it once in the last five games,

so that's a little shocking.

13.5.

I'm going to take that. I mean, you always got to feel like he's going to catch a screen.
They just don't throw the ball that much. I like Worthy to score a touchdown.
I feel like they're going to draw something up for him. He's the home run hitter.

His odds are pretty good.

It's plus 155.

Obviously, like Barkley, Kelsey, Hurts are the leaders.

But now I have a couple of defensive ones.

You ready for these?

Yeah, I'm ready.

Are you one of the defensive guys?

You throw some defensive bets in there? I like sacks.

How do you feel about Karloftis, my guy?

I'm a big fan of Karloftis.

Two sacks in the Super Bowl, plus 589. Oof.
Well, he had three sacks, what, a couple weeks ago? Think about the Eagles. Do you have a lead? They're going to have to drop back.
Obviously, they got to be afraid of the rush. That's one.
And then second one, this one is a long shot. I would take under that, by the way.
Okay. Well, you could bet him for one sack too i'm just trying to hit the number uh jalen carter to have a sack in each half plus 850 first half second half i wouldn't take that bet fortunately my homes doesn't get sacked that much, dude.
Fortunately for me,

I do what I want with these dumb bets.

That's my final take.

I want to see.

Your final take is,

and we'll talk about this at the Fanatics party,

but your final take is what?

You're putting money on the Eagles to win

or you're putting money on the Chiefs to win?

Just what is it?

I'm going to bet the Chiefs to three-peat.

Okay, there you go.

I don't think there's going to be any calls that go,

oh, I don't think we're going to have that.

I can't believe he got another call.

I don't think that's going to happen

unless it's blatant, similar to the Juju Smith penalty.

I am going to bet a lot of props.

But for me, the outcome I'm rooting hard for is I want to see the Chiefs down three or six with a minute, minute 10 left and a timeout getting the ball. And I just, if Mahomes does that, bow down.
If the Eagles stop them, bow down. I want a definitive, you stop the terror or terror continues.
And I can't wait for next year. And then we'll ask Kelsey on the podium if he's coming back for another year.
And if Mahomes does that the next day on every talk show, sports talk, it's going to be, is Mahomes the greatest of all time? Is he the greatest of all time? Has he surpassed Brady? I know he doesn't have the number yet, but has he surpassed Brady as the greatest quarterback to ever live? That's going to be the question. Well, it'll be a good one.
By the way, if he loses, he's still going to be in the – he's still going to be – then it'll be the opposite. Like, yeah, Brady.
Who was your halftime show when you were at the Super Bowl with the Cardinals? Do you remember? That's a good question.

Andrew, I need help with that.

Well, because what I was going to ask is. Honestly, I thought about this.

I'm like, who was our halftime?

Because I remember it's a long halftime.

It's way different.

Everything is way different.

And which sucks because usually halftimes are you're in like 15 and you're out.

This was like 30.

So you're in there for an extra.

You're just sitting around and you could hear.

It wasn't Bon Jovi. Gosh, who was it? It was Bruce Springsteen in the E Street band.
Bruce Springsteen. There you go.
That's a good one. I feel like with Kendrick, though, this will be the first one where, hey, where's that third string linebacker? Oh, he's in the tunnel watching Kendrick for a minute.
The kickers will be out there like, is that? I think that's happened before, yeah. And is that considered big no-no or like, ah, who cares? You don't do that shit.
You have people video for you. You have like, you know, some of the equipment guys or ball boys go out there and video.
But no, you don't really think about that. Couple of fun facts.
Mahomes currently ranks fifth all-time in career passing yards in Super Bowls. He needs to throw for 85 more to become second all-time.
He'll pass John Elway, Montana, and Kurt Warner's three, two, and then obviously only Brady. So he's got 1,000, a little under 1,100 yards passing in Super Bowls.
Yep. Brady's got over 3,000.
Yeah, I mean, that's a lot. That's crazy.
That's crazy. Mahomes going for a three-peat, played in four Superbowl is still going to be, I was going to say, he's still going to, he's got to throw for, I mean, I think his number's at 250 ish over and under like 252.
I mean, did you need another six, seven Superbowl appearances? Just what would be more surprising? Chiefs winning by two scores or Eagles winning by two scores? Just basically, not a route, but they had control. Chiefs winning by two scores, I think.
Because the offense doesn't really light it up? The offense is good, don't get me wrong. Looked like they were going to blow out Buffalo at one point early in that game.
Again, I just think that the Eagles, if there's a year to beat the chiefs and just kind of eliminate all the noise and the narratives the eagles have the dominant offensive line a dominant running back a dominant run game a quarterback who can also take over in the run game and you can control a game like that that's i mean this college we talk about all the time but in the pros you can control a game like that as well and then on the defensive side they have have a dominant defense. So they have the pieces.
Like, they have, on paper, like, hey, we match up. We're probably better than them in a lot of areas outside of the quarterback.
Okay, last thing, and then we're going to take a quick break and wrap up. It doesn't matter, though.
What do you think needs to happen to cause my, to cause me to have a Twitter meltdown during the game. Because you monitor my Twitter.

You call me salty.

What needs to happen for you?

What could happen in the game that would be like,

oh, Jerry's going to fight.

This guy's going to be unhinged.

Because I know what it is.

I know what it is already.

It's going to be something with the tush push.

Yes, correct.

Do you know your partner or do you know your podcast?

When the Eagles are first in goal on the three-yard line and they run it four times in a row and they don't get in, I think if they do get in, you're still going to be like, what are we fucking doing here? I'm going to be unhinged either way. By the way, if they go for it four times in a row, which we've seen them do, and they don't get in, I'm going to be unhinged too.
I'm going to be like, bro, you have- Throw the fucking ball! Or roll out, do something. Yeah, I don't know.
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Okay, it's time

for... Okay, it's time for one of the, one of the my favorite segments.
I think get a lot of tracks on social media. Again, follow us at throwback show.
Let us know your picks for this or comment on ours and we will get back to you. But this week's throwback three in honor of Luca Don, Donchich, Donchich, Doncic? Doncic, dude.
Don't fuck up the name. I better get that right.
We're going to do stunning trades across sports. Do you want to take the Luka trade off the board? Yes.
Because it still needs about five years to age. I think now, because we live in the moment, it's the most, for sure.
I do think it's the craziest trade we've seen in recent sport history for sure. Correct.
But let's take it off just for the sake of having a little bit of fun about history of trades. Because I had a little bit of fun doing this.
There's a lot to pick from. Do you want to lead off or do you want me to lead off? You can lead off.
You can lead off. All right.
Remember, these are always like personal to us so you could disagree i remember being a kid and i remember when the great in his prime ken griffey jr got traded to the reds yeah that at the time for me was shocking i know when you stack it up against some of the other ones might not stay out there, but for me, that was shocking. Did I tell you that I saw him at the World Series this year? No.
I was on the field. This is a total sidebar, but Griffey, I think Griffey was everybody's favorite player growing up, right? Like everybody wanted to swing.
Griffey- He tortured the Yankees too with the Mariners. Just like Ken Griffey Jrr baseball for video game like it was everything i was chopping up with ken griffey jr on the field before game five of the world series shout out to sinclair i was doing a couple local hits for for some tv stuff and i was down there and i went over to go see a couple of my guys on the dodgers and griffey was there and i was like i'll never forget my boy who i took was like taking a video goes, and he literally goes, that was fucking cool.
And he's seen everybody. I said, I said, Mike, I got to be honest with you.
That was really cool. And I met Griffey before.
Anyway, I love it. Cause I think Griffey was one of the best.
All right. So real quick with Griffey, I get to hang with him every now and then at the Jeter event, right? He's there.
Everyone always wants to play with Griffey. He's a golfer.
He's a stick. Of course, his golf swing is gorgeous.
We all take shuttle buses to the golf course. Did you just say Griffey's golf swing is gorgeous? It is.
It's gorgeous. What's wrong with that? Did that word just come out of your mouth? Beautiful.
Sweet. What other words do you want? I would just say he could fight.
Amazing. It's a gorgeous...
Technically, it's a gorgeous swing. So everyone gives Andrew Jones a lot of heat at that event.

He makes a lot of birdies that some people are like,

oh, really?

You eagled that hole?

So we all get on the bus.

Andrew Jones said something to Griffey about how he played,

and Griffey says to Andrew Jones, man, keep quiet.

We still don't know how old you are.

Like, you still don't have a birth certificate.

He said you were 18 years old in the World Series.

You lie about everything.

So shout-out to Ken Griffey Jr.

The order was hard for me.

I mean, I... who have a birth certificate.
He said you were 18 years old in the World Series. You lie about everything.
So shout out to Ken Griffey Jr.

The order was hard for me.

Again, when I do these things,

sometimes it's like, oh, I remember that.

Then it's also fun looking up, right?

Because you go back and get a little bit of history lesson.

This was a little bit of a history lesson for me, but it was because I became an all-time hockey fan growing up for the la kings and it was when wayne gretzky got traded to the la kings absolutely from the edmonton oilers and he got traded i think 88 so i was five years old but i got into the kings in 93 94 i was 10 11 it was the year they went to the stanley cup they lost to the montreal canadians mc sorley had the curved stick it was all these things like I was a diehard Kings fan I had Kelly Rudy was like my favorite player the goalie um I had king shit everywhere um so I was looking up I'm like I kind of remember that as it became a thing he won a bunch of Stanley Cups for the Edmonton Oilers he's the great one he was great then all of these things they were I think talking about trading him prior I think it was another one of those things where he didn't know he found out a couple hours after he won a stanley cup that he was going to the kings which is crazy but the the big part about that was what it did for the sport because i'm reading up on this basically it brought so much attention because hockey is a canadian sport really you know know, a world sport. And it wasn't that big in the US.
Conspiracy. Grow the game in America.
Well, there's a little conspiracy. It helped grow the game tremendously in America is what happened and basically put a lot of eyeballs.
But I remember watching him as a kid for the Kings, man. So one of the biggest trades, I mean, the greatest hockey player to ever live, one of the greatest athletes, top Mount Rushmore athlete, probably you could argue came to my city.
Once again, we're always talking about LA getting the greatest. Did you ever see the 30 for 30 on that? Which was the first 30, it's the first one that Pete Berg directed, the first 30 for 30.
No, I'll have to see that. Go watch the Gretzky trade 30 for 30.
It's incredible. Yeah.
Because it talks about, and then it gets into like into like he was dating you know janet who was from la and she got a lot of heat because they were like oh he's going there for a girl it was it was a wild story that's a that could easily i used to run into gret when gretzky was a part of the phoenix coyotes when i was in arizona so i went to a couple coyotes games and and i crossed paths with him a couple times he. So we got invited once, me and Dylan and Connolly and Doug Allen to play golf with Wayne Gretzky at Sherwood Country Club, right? He wants to play golf with us.
So we're all shitting our pants because it's Wayne Gretzky and all that. Connolly's the biggest hockey fan, Islander guy.
That's his number one sport. So we go up to Sherwood.

It's me, Dylan, Connolly, and the great one who,

by the way, when you're hitting in front of him,

you know, some might say the right thing is like you stand far away from someone when they play,

when they hit teeing off.

You don't want to be, he stands right up in your eyeline

and just watches you.

It's the most nerve wracking.

He's right behind you or is he like to the side?

If you're on the tee box, he's parallel. If you're lined up up here he's parallel to your line of sight you could see his feet it's terrifying but the most shocking and by the way he doesn't wait for you to hit he hits when he wants he drives away he does whatever he wants as he should so connelly at this point not a golfer has not played maybe a handful of times in his life now he loves golf we're on

some hole connelly hits a good drive he has 99 yards to the stick gretzky already hit his shot and walked up onto the green while we're still back and i'm like fuck kevin you should call four like gretzky's right there he's about to hit i'm like he's gonna skull one and kill wayne gretzky Connelly hits a shot

that floats on the green

hops twice and goes

in the hole and gretzky puts his arms up and runs over and gives him a hug gretzky pulls the wall so we hold out from 99 yards and gretzky tell me he signed oh yes said 99 from 99 and dude just one of the craziest golf stories i got goosebumps that's Sorry for that diatribebe i thought it was worth it all right oh yeah see this is the best part about this stories always come from they come from everything i'm gonna i'm gonna give my number two um and i don't know if it steps on one of yours we did not talk before this so i'm sorry if it does and i have an honorable mention shack to the heat yeah is that yours yeah i was gonna put a three no go for it we can have a number two it what was so shocking about it was the fact that they just won three rings like we talked about earlier like it ended the era and when you really think about what it was about was the most shocking and equally it was shocking when shaq went to the lakers you know he was just in the finals with the magic so I think he was like four years in from Orlando right it was like barely and yeah they they went to the finals and then Jordan the next year annihilated them and he got out of Orlando but I remember there's because in that era I was still a big Laker fan but that was like my peak Laker fandom like I was 18 18, 19, 20. I was at USC, but I just love, or yeah, I just love the Lakers.
I remember in high school when Shaq got signed by the Lakers. I think I was in high school.
I remember that was back in the day where I would have cereal in the morning. I'd read the sports paper every morning.
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be a laker fan and then i have another i have a vivid memory of shack leaving the lakers in that

year too it was like no and i remember who did we get for him and we got karam but it was odom and

we got odom brian grant and uh karon butler lamar odom and brian grant so we got good haul I mean,

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that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, you. The reason why I was so bummed on why it happened, it was just a of bs and like two massive egos just couldn't they couldn't play together when they did it like we just talked about the duo was like great maybe the greatest duo of all time and what could have been there would have been two or three more championships easily both were in their easily with phil easily and it just their egos got in the way and it was just a bummer of how the fallout and then yeah shaq got his i remember i think the next time they played was maybe a christmas day game i think it was heat lakers it was the next year and i just remember they didn't say what's up to each other i think they might have said what they gave a little fist pump a little hug but shaq was pissed and like all that so so was my number two, though, too.
I almost put that number one because it just bummed me out. Question, before I give my number one, is your number one involving basketball? Can I ask you that, yes or no? No.
Okay, good, because I want to do a quick honorable mention. My number one is a straight history lesson.
Okay. You probably know where I'm going to go.
I had no idea. I'm going to give a quick honorable mention before my number one because we've talked a lot of lakers today and everyone's complaining that the lakers get stuff nicks no no this is celtics yeah i know Celtic fans i don't want to hear from you because i know who it is who is the kevin garnett trade yeah listen to the hall by the way famously uh kevin mikhail was responsible for this trade celtics traded al jefferson ryan gomes gerald green theo ratliff sebastian telfer and two first which i'm not quite sure who they became but one of them i think was used in a trade for ricky davis or something so i don't want to hear it from you celtic fans you guys got kevin garnett.
For me, my number one is yours baseball or football? Yours is football. Oh, that's not your number one? No, that's my honorable mention.
Quick thing on the KG. You remember this.
He wanted to go to the Lakers. To the Lakers.
Kobe was trying to get him. No, but he was calling Kobe and Kobe never returned his calls.
When it all came down to the quote. I was trying to get ahold of Kobe.
I couldn't get ahold of him. And then he went to the Celtics.
I interviewed Kevin Garnett for, when I was with Ben MGM doing a show and he told that story. And what hearing him say it is goosebumps.
Cause he's like, man, I was calling Kobe. He was, he wanted to get back.
Could you imagine if you would have been a Laker? Crazy. Crazy.
My number one's in baseball. It's a little selfish because it involves the Yankees, but the fun history part of it too is the A-Rod trade.
What makes the A-Rod trade wild is because he was going to the Red Sox. It was done.
So every Yankee fan was like, oh shit, now we got to deal with this guy for years to come. And all the stuff that happened which has been documented but for me that's my number one sorry I couldn't do Babe Ruth wasn't around couldn't do Babe Ruth's trade how that that one reminded me of there's trades are always what if or what if Kevin Garnett went to the Lakers what if A-Rod going to the red socks another one is the chris paul

to the lakers remember that when stern just came in and said nope i was so pissed i was like we're gonna get we're gonna get still don't really know why that was a nope i mean that was before the whole super team right but the kevin garnett thing is a yes but the chris paul one was a nope i mean I think that was Kobe.

Yeah, I don't know.

All right, so the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth. That's your number one.
Yeah, did you see this? Let's hear it. Look it up, Trades.
No, you didn't see the history behind this? No, give me the history. I'm going to read this.
This is fantastic, and I hope I'm not wrong. So the Red Sox sell the babe, okay? Looking for cash to finance the musical, no-no, Nanette, Red Sox owner Harry Frazee sold baseball's greatest player to the Yankees for $100,000 plus a $300,000 loan in 1920.
So that's how he became a part of the Yankees. That's crazy, a loan.
Heard of the curse of the Bambina, okay? Babe Ruth hit 665 of his 714 career homers for the Yankees, including 54 in the first season in the Bronx. He led the Yankees to seven World Series appearances and four titles.
The greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports was born. The Red Sox, who had won their fifth World Series behind Ruth in 1918, this article is a little bit old.
Obviously, they won again. But basically, the play ended up being a hit, but they sold it.
They sold Babe Ruth to finance a play. And the loan part is what gets me.
So it's money they had to pay back. It wasn't even money they just got.
Babe Ruth was sold to the Yankees for $100,000 and a loan and $300,000 in 1920. That is the most shocking one.
And that became the greatest baseball player to ever live. But could you imagine, put yourself back in the day for a second.
Let's say Matt Leiner, I forget the year, what, 1940-something? I don't know if it says it in your research there that this trade went down so you 20 you're gonna 1920 all right you're gonna hop a trolley or take a horse to your fucking job whatever it is and you get to your office who knows what you do and you get the newspaper and it's like what what the yeah the red sox certainly think about how long it took for that deal and that story to come out to people. I know.
Isn't that crazy? I literally was reading that. And they're like, what do you do? You're like, we got to go to the bar and talk about this.
Let's hope people are at the bar because we have to talk. I just think if I could go back in time and we can do the historical time machine, that's a sneaky one.
Go back in time to New York or to Boston when that trade happened. Put yourself there with a newspaper and just like, you know.
I was reading up on it. This is crazy.
This is absolutely crazy. No one knew that.
Well, give a short throwback three. Comment on ours.
L.A. to the Broncos was a big one.
There's a lot of good ones. Yeah.
And I don't know if I can. The look at one very well might be the one that knocks all these off the pedestal kobe bryant trade on draft day so there's but that's different though because that wasn't shocking that was just the lakers and jerry west being really good at their job they you know some might say they took the risk so it wasn of it as that.
A good throwbacks in the future could be the biggest what-ifs, right?

What if Sam Bowie, what if Jordan went to, where did Sam Bowie go?

Portland.

Portland, number one.

Which is ironic because that's the Nike headquarters.

Yeah.

What if Portland drafted Michael Jordan?

Yeah.

Or what if Sam Bowie, yeah, I got a million of those.

Oh, there's a million of those.

Yeah.

Well, we got flights to catch, Matt.

Dude, let's do it, buddy.

Don't forget.

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