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Speaker 1 Can I pitch you something? Because I do love the Hill Billy bogey shoe. And we talked about golf.
Could we put some spikes on that bad boy and take it out to the course?

Speaker 2 You know, the crazy part, they sent me some spikes that you can put into them. So I wore them.

Speaker 1 Tell me you went low.

Speaker 2 I got my best round ever.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes. No bogeys, five birdies.
It was incredible.

Speaker 1 So it was the Hill Billy no bogeys.

Speaker 1 All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks.

Speaker 1 Of course, I am not alone. I'm always joined by my amazing co-host, Matt Liner, who's got a big, just

Speaker 1 a lot to unpack with him, both in the sports world and in our personal lives. A lot going on.

Speaker 3 As I just got a, I got a text from Josie, who just, we were just talking. I thought it was like, I was going to be like, oh, shit, dude, she's pissed, but she's not.

Speaker 3 But we can get into why she just texts me. She just told us about a photo shoot that we have to do in the next 12 days.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, you have a lot of things to do.

Speaker 3 I got a lot going on, buddy.

Speaker 1 I want to point out before we dive into the things that are truly, truly important. One of the work things that's important is, again, we're going to be at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 We're going to be at the red carpet. We're doing a throwbacks episode from the Fnatics Super Bowl party in New Orleans

Speaker 1 February 8th. I mean, we're starting to get asked like, this is going to be there.
We don't even know who's going to be there.

Speaker 1 We just know it's going to be, it's going to be like a Royal Rumble, people just coming down the carpet.

Speaker 3 We got asked who's going to be there so many times this week. And we're like, or like, what kind of prep do you do? We're like,

Speaker 3 we haven't really thought about that yet. We haven't, we don't, we don't know.

Speaker 1 We're just going to wing it. We're going to win it.
Yeah, but that's just.

Speaker 3 That's the best type of, I think, stuff, right? Just like winging it. But yeah, I mean, it's going to be, it's going to be awesome.
The who's who party of the weekend.

Speaker 3 Super Bowl weekend is always a blast. You and I have been to a bunch of Super Bowls, and whether it's the parties, the people you meet, the things you get to do,

Speaker 3 but for us to be together to do throwbacks on the red carpet, shout out to Michael Rubin, Fanatics, for

Speaker 3 letting us be there.

Speaker 1 I think we get to go in the party too when we're done.

Speaker 1 We're in the party.

Speaker 3 Are you getting after at this party? Is this one of those things? Because

Speaker 3 what kind of party guy are you these days at 44?

Speaker 1 Okay, 45. You're very great.
45. There you go, bro.
Awesome now. You think I'm 44?

Speaker 1 So historically, I am one of two

Speaker 1 people at a party. Sometimes, and I feel like the Fanatics party, I'm not saying this in a bad way.

Speaker 1 But I'm going to be uncomfortable because I'm going to be the only, not the only, but a lot of accomplished athletes. Like, I'm going to have a little bit of a what, why am I here?

Speaker 1 I'm going to get kicked out. I don't belong.

Speaker 1 Can I stop you?

Speaker 3 I'm going to stop you for one second.

Speaker 3 We should do it.

Speaker 3 It would be hard to figure this out. Remember we did in in Manhattan Beach, who would get recognized more? I don't think we do that, but I guarantee you,

Speaker 3 we'll set the over and under. We'll, we'll talk about this next week before.
Okay. The over and under of how many people come up to you and say something about Proctor or something about Turtle.

Speaker 3 I bet that number is super high.

Speaker 1 Well, I sometimes get uncomfortable at big events like this. So I do one of two things.
I either

Speaker 1 responsibly drink my way through it, right? Like kind of helps get me out of my shell, for lack of a better word. Then I'm like the life of the party.

Speaker 1 People will invite me to their birthdays after. Oh, we got to go make Jerry.

Speaker 3 Can we see that side of Jerry?

Speaker 1 Can we just or the flip side is I have a couple of drinks and I'm just wall flowering it. I find a spot that's away from everyone.

Speaker 1 I post up, hopefully sitting, and I just, it all depends too on like the level of volume. I need to be able to talk and have a little witty repartee and then I'm good at the party.

Speaker 1 If I can't do that that and the music's just

Speaker 3 i'm like i mean it's i i've seen videos like they have a dj i think sure like bieber came out and tried i mean it's like a full day party like vibe and like you're jamming the music and people i'm gonna follow your lead because i'm very similar to you i have a feeling most of the weekend we're gonna be more the wallflower like have a couple drinks post up and just watch are you a what i can't imagine you as a wallflower i feel like you're a social butterfly no i'm more that it just it just depends But I think in this party, I think we should be like, I want to see Jerry Rock.

Speaker 3 Like, I just want to see Jerry Rock. I want to see you in your element.
The reason why we've come together is because of our mid-2000s run. Like, let's be honest.

Speaker 3 That's like, like, our two worlds collided. And I think those two worlds need to collide again Super Bowl week.

Speaker 1 I will, I will say,

Speaker 1 I feel like you were, you are, were, are an amazing wingman. Not even for like, let's go hit on chicks like that.

Speaker 1 Just like at a party, you know about people, but you have enough social anxiety that you're not on the dance floor like Frank the Tank. I feel like you're a good wingman at a party.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. I'm very similar to you.
I, I, I get like, I'll get, I don't get social anxiety, but I'm much like, I'm not.

Speaker 3 As I've gotten older, I found myself not as much as a people person, or I just really enjoy the people that I'm already with. And like, I don't need to, I think that's a great dad thing, right?

Speaker 3 Like as a dad, it's like, I don't really need to expand my circle of friends. You know, like your kids start playing sports.

Speaker 1 The circle gets close, close.

Speaker 3 It gets closer and it's harder to get, bring more people in. You just buy with people.

Speaker 3 This party is going to be different, clearly. But yeah, I look, I think, I think we just kind of play it by ear, but I don't think we go in with any type of expectation.

Speaker 3 I think we just go in and like, if we, if we want to go take a shot, let's fucking rock and take a shot.

Speaker 1 Okay. Be open to where the Super Bowl takes us and where the Fanatics party takes us.

Speaker 3 But anyway, yeah, Super Bowl, Fanatics red carpet will be there. We can't wait.

Speaker 1 Question that I'm definitely going to ask some of the people that stop by the throwback spot on the carpet.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you okay? Is it approvable to whatever you refer to it, French exit, Irish goodbye? How do you feel? Do you get offended? Like, if you and I had a great time for three hours.

Speaker 3 I call it the Houdini.

Speaker 1 But then you turn around and like, where's Ferrara? I don't know. And then you don't see me till the next day.
Are you mad at me? Are you texting me? Like, wow, you don't even say goodbye. Bye.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, he left. Great.

Speaker 3 No, because I'll do that. My rule of thumb for me is like, if we go out with a big group, like say locally here, I will

Speaker 1 say

Speaker 3 all my friends that listen to this. I will probably say goodbye to one or two people and be like, yo, I'm leaving in five minutes.
I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 3 And then, and then when I bounce, I bounce. I don't, I don't need to tell the whole group.

Speaker 3 So for you and I, I already, like, I already know you, I already know that's already in your party bag for this.

Speaker 1 We got that chemistry. We got that QB wide receiver chemistry.

Speaker 3 If it's me and you and a couple dudes at Super Bowl and you're like, hey, letting you know I'm out in the next 15, and then I'll be like, go. I wouldn't, I could care less.
But if you leave,

Speaker 3 if you leave at the Super Bowl party without telling me, I'd be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Okay. I would.
I would noted.

Speaker 3 I have no problem bouncing early, but I need to know.

Speaker 1 There's going to be a lot going on. So follow along with us.
You know, follow us on at Throwback Show on all social platforms, YouTube especially. Who knows?

Speaker 1 Maybe we'll do some live stuff just the week while we're there. But more importantly, too, we want to hear from you guys as well.
What's something that we must do? Must being the key word.

Speaker 1 Something we must do when we're in New Orleans. I've spent some time in New Orleans.
I don't know if you have.

Speaker 3 I'm going to gamble my ass off too.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a good must.

Speaker 1 I did a movie for a few weeks in New Orleans. And one thing I was told to do, which we did do, we in the daytime went through a drive-thru and got a hurricane drink.

Speaker 1 And that shit put me out for the day. One, one put me out for the entire day.
So we're not doing that.

Speaker 3 There's 47 different liqueurs in there, and you just get hammered off of one sip.

Speaker 1 We're not doing that. But yeah, send us your thoughts on what we must do while we're in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 Look, I think also, too.

Speaker 3 What are some of the stuff, questions you guys want us to ask some of these people? I mean, mean, we're going to get A-list people from all different should we do a practice run?

Speaker 1 Trevor Lawrence walks down the carpet in his cast, right? I saw him at the Super Bowl last year in Vegas.

Speaker 3 What kind of shampoo do you use for that flow?

Speaker 1 Do you think it's the hair that's slowing you down? Like, should you cut the hair going into next season? It's worked for some people.

Speaker 3 Do we want to get a new look for next year? You just got a new head coach, right?

Speaker 1 New look, new you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think, I think everyone who's listening, throw us question ideas, you know, in all of our social media chat. Like we, we check them.
We love it.

Speaker 3 Honestly, I would say this, like everything goes. We're going to have just fun.
Like, we don't, we're not going to really have like this crazy.

Speaker 1 It's not going to be professional.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're definitely not going to be professionals.

Speaker 1 Well, we got some other, we got some other big stuff going on, Matt, okay? I don't want to put you on blast. But we've talked about it on the show before.
We heard your lovely wife

Speaker 1 before, who's been on this podcast before.

Speaker 1 She's a lot more pregnant than she was the last time. I'm just getting uppercutted from all angles over here.
I'm just getting fucking. This is probably the last show before your baby.

Speaker 1 That's it's imminent, right? So, how are you guys feeling knowing that you're about to go from you know, you have three, Cole's 18, though? So, he's

Speaker 3 considering him a four.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is four, you know, four, yeah, three, but you're gonna have three under under five under five, essentially.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I just turned to five. Um,

Speaker 1 I'm

Speaker 3 let me just say all this: We were super excited.

Speaker 3 We were back and forth for a long time about having the third baby.

Speaker 3 Ultimately, this is what we decided. And, you know, I think for my wife, especially, like,

Speaker 3 really felt like this would complete our family. And again, I'm all in on that, obviously.

Speaker 3 She's been a rock star this whole pregnancy.

Speaker 3 She works. She's just super mom.
She's just everything. She's ready.
Like,

Speaker 3 we're a couple of days. We're a couple of days away.
Like

Speaker 3 we will have a baby by this time next week. That's for sure.
So

Speaker 3 we're excited. I actually woke up this morning.

Speaker 1 I was like, couple more sleeps.

Speaker 1 It's happening.

Speaker 3 So we've just been so busy that it's like you almost. And with the kids and all that, it's almost like you just, like it creeps up on you.
And we're like, holy shit, this is happening now.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 fired up.

Speaker 3 We're super excited. She's going to crush it like she always does.
Her mother, my mother-in-law just came in town. She's the best.
She's got a one-way ticket.

Speaker 1 So she's troops have landed on the troops.

Speaker 3 We got our name.

Speaker 1 I mean, we are full, like storming the beaches of Manhattan.

Speaker 3 Oh, dude, we have, we're, we're just locked and loaded over here. We are locked and loaded.

Speaker 1 So I got a few questions for you, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, fire them away.

Speaker 1 You a diaper guy? You a bath guy? What's your like dad thing? Like, hey, I got with the baby, infant, I got this part. With me, I was a good bath, book, pajamas.
Let's go to bed guy.

Speaker 1 That was, I was good at that part.

Speaker 3 I got to be honest. I'm not a big newborn phase guy.

Speaker 1 I can't say that.

Speaker 3 I really don't like it.

Speaker 3 I think I speak for a lot of dads when it comes to that.

Speaker 1 Who won't say it?

Speaker 3 I'm not, you know, jumping off a cliff here with that comment, but

Speaker 3 I just, there's not a lot to do for me.

Speaker 3 And we had, you know, we had issues with both our boys, like with

Speaker 3 milk and breastfeeding. And I'm like, you know, I don't know if I'm telling too much, but whatever.

Speaker 3 Like, so like it was, it was, and we had, our, both our boys had severe acid reflux and all that kind of stuff. It was, but they couldn't sleep on their back.
So, um,

Speaker 3 our two were miserable sleepers for a long time. So like, it was just tough on us.
Where then we've had, obviously they were healthy. Like that, that was just a small issue.

Speaker 1 But, um, and we've had, maybe you guys are the case, like we've, we have close friends who, whose babies slept like 10 hours after how annoying i'm like when you're up all night and you see another couple with a newborn you're like oh how's that newborn sleeping and you're only hoping to hear that they're as bad as you and like oh this sleeps like nine ten hours a night it's like i'm like

Speaker 3 so her and i are like asked you her and i are like oh my gosh what if this baby actually sleeps we we have we have a best friend we have a best friend their baby I'm probably off some months here, but like say a year old was sleeping until like 10.30 a.m Like in bed at seven just wouldn't even get out of bed and we're like what

Speaker 3 and they're like yeah it was amazing and they had two other kids it was amazing like we just haven't experienced that so that's one thing but like the newborn the newborn phase in my opinion i'm just i tell every every new dad too it's like you're just there for for emotional support with your wife you're there to go do a lot of things i'm there probably more with my boys now

Speaker 3 even cole and my other boys like sports and we got this and that and i'll take them because really the newborn is pretty easy for the most part during the the nights are tough but during the day it's eat sleep

Speaker 3 eat sleep shit eat sleep shit and you're just and you're you're on a clock you know but that's it so I am I am so you're not diaper bad oh I'm I'm I'm also diaper too I'm not afraid of that the problem is is you know we're not finding out if we have a girl I got no idea how to change a girl diaper

Speaker 1 front to back I heard front to back right is that what we do listen I'm a boy dad I have two boys. You have three boys.
I don't, I, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 3 A lot of my, like, my best friend has three girls. I'm like, dude, if I.

Speaker 1 I know how to block yourself from getting peed on from a boy. Like, I've gotten good at the fast Twitch to not get spoiled.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Times I just literally stuck my hand on there when they're peeding. I'm just like, yeah, just wear it.
Like, or like they got a little poop in the butt.

Speaker 3 I'm just like, I'll just use my finger or whatever. I'll wipe it.
Like, you just like, it's so, I don't know. With a girl, I feel like I'm just going to be like, oh my God, like, it's so delicate.

Speaker 3 I'm so delicate. You know, like, I don't know.
We'll We'll see what happens. But

Speaker 3 so I'm good on the diaper. I'm good on all that stuff.
None of that bothers me.

Speaker 3 I got to tell you, I got to tell you something came about last night.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the conversation in our household now, and a lot of guys are going to relate to this, is, you know, the whole vasectomy thing.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So we're done.

Speaker 3 We're done having kids. Like, this is it, right?

Speaker 3 There's no debate there. We're done.

Speaker 1 Preach.

Speaker 1 i

Speaker 3 i don't really want to get a vasectomy dude and this kept me up last night for a couple hours once you're probably the same once my mind starts running on something i'm just like i can't i can't stop the silence becomes deafening of your thoughts and then i'm thinking and i've talked to a lot of my boys about this and a lot of my boys are like dude it's awkward i had one time this doctor was in there with a couple women and you know like

Speaker 1 i i'm i'm average you know i'm average i'm just sitting there everything's flying around it's just super uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 I'm like pissing myself laughing so much because I'm like, I'm like, oh, I don't want to go through that.

Speaker 1 Oh, this sounds all terrible. That kept me up.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I need some advice.
Do I just, do I just risk it and not do it?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Do you want to have seven kids? Do you want to have seven children? What are you talking about? I know there's other things you could do, but that's what she told me this week.

Speaker 3 I said, well, I'm just not going to do it. We'll just be safe.
And she goes, okay, well, you're going to risk having another one.

Speaker 1 A hundred percent. She is a hundred percent true because because you get the city

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's terms for this, Matt. You know, slipped one past the goalie.
There's terms for this. And it happens over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 The bottom line is, it kept me up this week. And

Speaker 3 I'm going to find a doctor. I'm going to delay it as much as possible, but I'm going to find a doctor and I'm going full anesthesia, knockout, wake up.

Speaker 1 Hey, see if they'll do a twofer. Maybe I'll come.
I'll fly out to LA. We'll do a twofer one teafer.
We'll get a discount.

Speaker 3 You're going to do that and not tell Bree because that wouldn't go well.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, no, no. I, I, no, not gonna do all that.

Speaker 3 So that's, that's where I'm at.

Speaker 1 I don't know, guys.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 like, I know I'm in this. I know I'm not alone on this.
No, I know I'm not alone on this. And every guy that all my buddies that have gotten one, they said it sucks.
They're like, it just sucks.

Speaker 3 It's not giving birth clearly.

Speaker 1 And I'm not opening that because that is ideal world, but it's just not ideal.

Speaker 3 And it's just something about, you know, me just going full, like ankles and like straps bootstraps and just like here you go buddy and i'm and i'm and i'm awake that's the thing i don't want to be awake while he's up in my nuts So I got, I got like one or two more, and I promise everyone, we are going to talk about sports.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about what happened this past weekend and going forward. Also, I kind of buried the lead.

Speaker 1 We had Charles Barkley on earlier, so you could say we've had the basketball player on, but we also have Austin Reeves joining us from your Los Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 1 I should have led with that, but we just got caught up on some personal stuff. So he's going to be joining us right after we wrap up here for a second.
Okay, you don't know what you're having.

Speaker 1 So I'm sure you've talked names.

Speaker 1 I think that girl names are easier to come up with because for me, and I don't know, now, and your two boys have really cool, unique names, but for me, you meet a lot of people in your life.

Speaker 1 So when we were talking about boy names, it's like,

Speaker 1 what about Justin? No, nope. This kid in eighth grade.
Justin, real piece of shit. Can't do it.
What about

Speaker 1 every boy guy name

Speaker 1 I was associating with someone or something? So I went with the two names I knew the least about. But then with girl names, I don't really have those strong opinions.

Speaker 1 Like you could pitch me anything and it just sounds better. And I think you could be more adventurous with girl names.

Speaker 3 It's like, yeah, it's like baby clothes. Like girl clothes are worse.
So much better. They're so much better than boy clothes.
And I have no experience.

Speaker 3 For us, we're all C's. So we actually made it harder on ourselves.
Maybe easier in some way, but harder

Speaker 3 because we're all C's. Cole obviously was the first one.
And then when we decided with Kaysen and Cannon, we're like, let's just keep it all C's.

Speaker 3 So we have, but to your point, we have C names picked out. And I'll say this.
So Brady Quinn and Alicia Quinn, great friends.

Speaker 3 They just had, they had a baby a couple weeks ago and they named their baby boy Cade.

Speaker 1 Beautiful baby.

Speaker 1 That's kind of a Cade Quinn. Yeah.
Go look at him. He's playing quarterback somewhere.

Speaker 3 Little, like everyone's doing well over there. Shout out to Brady and Alicia and their clan of 19 kids.

Speaker 3 But Cade, I'll say this because we're not going to name our son. Cade was one of our final.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was like there.

Speaker 3 And then they made their announcement and it was like you. And Brandon Josie was like, we can't name him Cade because Alicia and Brady are named him Cade.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 And I told Brady that during the season. I'm like, damn you, dude.
We love that name. So we have another, we had an alternative that we've always liked.
And then the girl, but you're right.

Speaker 3 The girl names are just more, they're more, they're more adventurous. They're more fun.

Speaker 3 And we'll see. We have a couple.
We have a couple lined up for that as well.

Speaker 1 And I guess I grew up with a lot of asshole dudes. I'm like, what about Joseph? Nope, nope, can't do, can't do that.
There's no, no, it's kiddo.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 when you guys, when you guys have your third

Speaker 3 at some point, because that'll be a whole pod.

Speaker 1 I feel like that's a perfect segue to talk sports.

Speaker 3 Have you already thought about Nain?

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't don't feel like it's ever j's but we didn't do it intentionally jacob james me jerry it wasn't oh you gotta keep it j you gotta keep a jay but i feel like brie's now at a point where she doesn't know what to say when she's calling for someone jay jig she's just all over the place yeah we i like i kind of like having i like having all the same letter it's kind of cool like keeps them like a little tribe you know all right well more to come on that i i look forward to and and let's just say the ferraris have their own personal feelings on what's coming well listen next week we're going to talk about

Speaker 3 obviously next week's Super Bowl. We have a lot to talk about, but I do want to talk about the renovation project that my wife is spearheading at some point.
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 3 We don't have to do it on this one because it's,

Speaker 1 yeah, that's going to be. All right.
More on that. More on that next week.

Speaker 3 Like I said, I'm getting hit with just

Speaker 3 jabs, just jabs.

Speaker 1 Boom. Well, this is an interesting weekend, obviously.

Speaker 1 You know, football's off. We're going to talk about what happened last week.
And then really, there's nothing to do but talk about these two teams for two weeks, which I feel like is a little long.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 everyone is talking about the Chiefs being like the number one villain in sports. And

Speaker 1 if you want to be the champs, you got to beat the champs. And I hear all that and I get it.

Speaker 1 But I don't also want to lose the fact that they are going for a three-peat, which Mahomes is going to get Mayan's share of the credit for, but and maybe that's fair, but Andy Reid, Chris Jones,

Speaker 1 Spagnola, they have like this.

Speaker 3 They have the two,

Speaker 3 I mean, Belichick was great, obviously. And even like McDaniels was the Patriots, like this is just very similar, right? This is the dynasty.

Speaker 3 We saw Tom Brady and the Patriots do that for over a decade. They have the two best

Speaker 3 big game, big moment play callers, maybe of all time. Think about that.
Andy Reid is incredible.

Speaker 3 And Spagnola, as we've known the last couple of years,

Speaker 3 it's the play calling in the moments. There's a lot of great play callers out there.
There's a lot of on both sides that can get to a certain point.

Speaker 3 But then when it's crunch time, and everybody's going to talk about the blitz, and everybody's talked about that blitz on fourth down always for the a little bit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we don't need to talk about the blitz, but how many times over the years, or Andy Reid, and we like on fourth and short, they don't ever tush-push.

Speaker 3 They get creative in their play calling and they, and they, it's always, they always, uh, they always execute.

Speaker 3 And so that is play calling, elite play calling in the biggest moments of the biggest games. That is what Mahomes is as well.
And that's why you can't really bet against them in this game.

Speaker 3 And that's why they're all going to go down. Like, I, I tweeted this out.
I think Andy Reid deserves to be in the conversation of the greatest of all time. If he wins a fourth Super Bowl,

Speaker 3 I mean, you can compare Belichick's Super Bowl to that, but for what he's done, it's remarkable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I don't want to lose. Like I said, Mahomes will get the lion's share of it because of the position he plays.
And also, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 He deserves a lot of the credit, but, you know.

Speaker 3 Do you dislike the Chiefs because of

Speaker 3 the villain? Because people are tired. People get tired.
And I appreciate great.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. Yeah.
I appreciate it. But also,

Speaker 1 I think that's a cool story that to put up a team. Like, it's the ultimate.
If if the Eagles win, shout out Andrew Gunling, if the Eagles win, shout out Kevin Hart,

Speaker 1 then you really they took down Brady,

Speaker 1 then they took down the homes in the Super Bowl. I think that adds to the Eagles franchise and their fandom.
And I think it'll mean even that much more.

Speaker 1 Every Super Bowl means a lot, but if they could do that, I think it's the ultimate test.

Speaker 1 Not that you want to see the Chiefs lose, but I loved rooting against the Warriors for LeBron, even though I'm not a Warriors or Cavs fan. I'm sure lots of people love rooting against the Yankees.

Speaker 1 And now your Dodgers have assumed that position, right? So I think it's good when the sport has a dominant team that everyone's just trying to get. It's like a tale older than time, right?

Speaker 1 Like Daniel versus Goliath.

Speaker 3 I also don't think

Speaker 3 I look at villains and you look at some of those teams. And I feel like a lot of teams, there was someone maybe you didn't like.
Maybe there was a villain that played up the personality.

Speaker 3 But the Warriors like Dynasty, it's hard to dislike Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 Steph Curry was right, but Draymond, they had Draymond, but no one liked Draymond.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And you loved him on your team, but you hated him.
And then people don't like him. Whatever.
I like him. I enjoy it as an athlete.
But when I look at the Chiefs and I,

Speaker 3 you can't dislike Mahomes, in my opinion. Mahomes is a great.
And people can talk about him getting calls. That's not him.
Like, Brady got a lot of calls too.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 3 he's like, he's a likable guy.

Speaker 3 he's a great dude and and if anyone that knows him in the circle you'd say like oh he's his normal he's just a normal superstar that just happens to be the best in the world at what he does kelsey who i know a little bit and people can dislike him for other reasons and this and that Kelsey is like the coolest dude in the planet.

Speaker 3 He's like, he's the coolest dude in the planet. Chris Joe, all of those guys, they don't have unlikable.
Andy Reid is the greatest. He's awesome.

Speaker 3 So for me, that's why I appreciate it and I like those guys. It's, it's, you can get tired and you, like, I was rooting for Josh Allen and all these things.

Speaker 3 But at the end of the day, we need to appreciate what we're seeing because it just doesn't happen very often.

Speaker 1 Well, you teed up perfectly too with the, with the bills. It's kind of a sneak preview, maybe.
But for our throwback three this week, we're going to do most tortured fan base.

Speaker 1 franchise specific, not just we haven't, we haven't even talked about it.

Speaker 3 They have to be number one.

Speaker 1 Very possibly. We'll get into it for our throwback three.

Speaker 1 I saw you tweet it too, though. You thought that was a first down, right? I certainly thought that was a first down.
I don't know

Speaker 1 why we're still at this play. And I'm not saying put a chip in the ball.
I'm not a chipper. I'm not a true, like a chipper, like a truther, but it certainly looked like a first down in the moment.

Speaker 1 I just don't know why we're still doing this left foot, right's foot, bring out the, I get it. Like maybe there's not a better way, but.

Speaker 3 Well, it's evolved.

Speaker 3 You had, you had chains, which they still have and then you have the yellow line that's on the the visual on the tv and then you have replay and then you have you know it's evolved over time but to still rely on the spot of two guys who had clearly two different big spots by like a half a yard

Speaker 3 it just it just it i think what bothers people it's just that moment that is the biggest moment and again that was what 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter a lot happened after that and

Speaker 1 that was a momentum switch.

Speaker 3 I hate,

Speaker 3 I tweeted what I tweeted because I still think it was a first down, but I hate when people look at one player, two plays, and that's aside the whole.

Speaker 3 It doesn't work that way. They tush-pushed a million times.
They didn't get it on the goal line. They didn't get it.

Speaker 3 They had other, and that's where the difference between the play calling is the Chiefs execute those plays when other teams don't. And that is always the difference between

Speaker 3 these playoff games. That's the difference between playoff football.
The great team will find the way, maybe a little help.

Speaker 3 I understand. I get the argument.
And it's, and, and there's, they're starting to have some stats and facts, you know, obviously backing those, but that didn't decide the game. It didn't.

Speaker 1 Mahomes made so many plays with his legs. Josh Allen.
He's a freak. And Josh Allen did not, who you, that's usually the guy you would think.

Speaker 1 Bills missed two two-point conversions. That doesn't help.
There was a lot of sloppy things that led to that being the way it is. I'm just like, if we could

Speaker 1 have technology where we could see where Roger Federer's serve hit to like

Speaker 1 center meter going 140 miles an hour, I just feel like the biggest sport in our country by far could figure something out.

Speaker 3 That call was never going to be overturned because it was called short on the film.

Speaker 1 And you have to leave. And there's too many bodies.

Speaker 3 And there's too many bodies. And that's the point.

Speaker 3 It wasn't blatant, but you felt like his,

Speaker 3 it could have easily been reversed or it could have easily been, if it would have been called a first down on the field, they would have reviewed it and kept it a first down as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 As an athlete, a professional athlete, do you, I used to feel like this with like high school sports and CYO sports. Do you just feel like there's some teams?

Speaker 1 After it happens so many times,

Speaker 1 could you have a feeling as a professional athlete in a locker room, just

Speaker 1 not even superstition just knowing like

Speaker 1 we just this team they got our fucking number like we don't know does that happen even at that level I've felt it on the high school level and below I was gonna say I've I felt it in

Speaker 3 like little league baseball coaching right like like you you're just like like an error at that moment maybe their best player maybe that best player doesn't show up or how do we get this kid out and you just you just hope and you pray but at the end of the day it's always you're always, you always fall short.

Speaker 3 It happened to us in a flag football game. It happened to us in high school basketball.

Speaker 3 It's very similar in the NFL where

Speaker 3 when you,

Speaker 3 you don't ever go into that game thinking that's going to happen. I guarantee that, but you go into think, hey, we can beat these guys.
We're going to beat these guys.

Speaker 3 But there is something always during a game where you're just. sitting there saying, it's going to happen again.
And I feel it. It's just going to happen again.
And Mahomes, this is the problem.

Speaker 3 And this is going to be the problem with the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 You just, if, if the Eagles are up three with two minutes left, or even the Chiefs are up three with two minutes left, Mahomes is going to do something that's going to win the game or ice the game.

Speaker 3 You do not want to be in that situation. And that is just easier said than done because they are so great.
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 You got to do a point.

Speaker 3 At some point, you think, maybe he's going to throw a pick. Maybe you get a sack.
Maybe there's something that happens, but we just haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1 You got to stab him in the heart, shoot him with a silver bullet, chop off his head,

Speaker 1 blow his body up. You have to do all those horror movie things to defeat Jason.
I do.

Speaker 3 I do want to say that the Bills

Speaker 3 and Baltimore for that matter, and even I even put Cincinnati, right?

Speaker 3 Those are the three, those have, those have elite quarterbacks that you feel like if Burrow is in the playoff, you feel like, hey, they might make a run.

Speaker 3 It'll It'll be interesting, the Chiefs, because everybody's talking about can they chase Brady and can Mahomes and all this. You have to keep the team together.

Speaker 3 You have to keep the core pieces. You have to keep the coaching together.

Speaker 3 I don't think the Bills window, and no one's saying, I don't think the Bills window is over because you have an elite player barely in his prime. Josh Allen's, what, 26 years old?

Speaker 3 I mean, and Mahomes is 29, 30. He still has a lot of years left, but

Speaker 3 the coaching staff, Kelsey might be done after this. You're going to, Chiefs are going to lose some guys, and it's going to be, can they fill that roster?

Speaker 3 I think I heard Julian Edelman talking about this week because he was a part of that. It's like, it's just going to come down to, can you replace those guys with other free agents that can do similar?

Speaker 3 That is not a given. So

Speaker 3 enjoy the dynasty while we have it. It won't last forever.
And at some point, the Bills or even the Ravens are going to break through.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen just matter of when. I got a little mad at you on Twitter because,

Speaker 1 well, you know, I throw my feelings out on Twitter and all of you who love to respond to me when I try to make a point of something that annoys me and respond with like, cry more, cope harder.

Speaker 1 Listen, you're all wrong.

Speaker 1 I think the tush push. And I'm sorry, I'm not calling it the brotherly shove.
That's a cute name for a play. That tells me that Eagle fans are embarrassed of the play.

Speaker 3 Tush push sounds worse.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 We were calling it Tush Push, and the Eagles fans were like, no, no, it's the brotherly shove.

Speaker 1 It's like, you're only doing that because you know Tush Push is a terrible name for that terrible play, and you're trying to make it sound cooler with Tush Push.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm all for something works, do it over and over. If I find a play in Madden, I'm going to do it over and over.
Right. I get it.

Speaker 1 I get it. But for football as a whole, to me as a fan, all right, there's, there's a lot of other people who feel this way.

Speaker 1 I think we had to watch what, between between the Bills and the Eagles game, what, eight or nine brotherly shove, tush pushes. It's just bad to watch.

Speaker 1 I find myself checking my phone on like fourth and inches.

Speaker 1 I'm like, all right, they're going to just, I, I, to me, it's a boring play that has too much of an advantage when you have a 200 and something pound player pushing Jalen. All right, sure.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts happens to be someone who runs it better than anyone else. The guy squats a billion pounds.
I get it. I don't know how that is good for football.

Speaker 1 I'm not even saying it's like a cheat code or why don't you stop it or why don't you do it? I think it's a horrible play to watch. I'm shocked no one's gotten hurt yet.

Speaker 1 And you have freaking Saquon Barkley. I feel like we've complained about the Eagles' offense up until this point at times.
I feel like give the ball to Saquon.

Speaker 1 Saquon Barkley has gotten tackled on the one

Speaker 1 12 times this year. He did not get the ball the next time.

Speaker 3 I think Jalen Hurts was four of six on that play this past weekend and and josh allen was two of six

Speaker 1 and it decided a game in some way i don't

Speaker 3 i don't mind it as far as it's all your fault i'm mad at you because you and reggie did this oh we invented it we invented it and now we're dealing with it later by the way reggie and i take full credit of inventing the bush push tush push brotherly shove whatever you want to call it we we started it yes it was illegal back then right technically i mean you know there's there's blurred lines like in everything everything, but sure, sure.

Speaker 3 And then he did that. I remember Reggie did that with Matt Stafford in Detroit.
And that was, that was the first

Speaker 3 we, I imagine we were the first like big play and a big moment where people remember, right? People remember the Bush push.

Speaker 3 He did it in Detroit with Stafford to win the game at some point, like five or six years later. I don't know the year.
And I remember he and I were texting about it. Did you see that?

Speaker 3 It was awesome. And then since then, because it's not illegal, Philadelphia is just mastered.

Speaker 1 That was,

Speaker 3 I understand. Maybe they just eliminate the push and you go back to if you want a QB sneak.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not saying it's a sneaker.

Speaker 3 There's been a lot. I think Herbert's been hurt on a QB sneak.

Speaker 3 Mahomes has been hurt in that role.

Speaker 1 Matt Schaub.

Speaker 3 I played with Matt Schaub in Houston. It was just a normal QB sneak sneak.

Speaker 3 He got a Liz Frank on his ankle from Albert Hainsworth, I believe it was. I think we were in Tampa.
So I think

Speaker 1 it fell on his ankle. lineman of all time.

Speaker 3 Fractured his ankle. So that's why you don't see the Chiefs do it.
And that's why the coaching.

Speaker 3 Here was my problem: when you watch that game and you watch the Eagles, Eagles have a plan. Eagles are dominant.
They get it, I bet, 95% of the time, maybe higher. Maybe it's 100% success rate.

Speaker 3 Oh, I guess it wasn't 4 or 6.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good idea. Whether he has Shaquon Barkley or not,

Speaker 3 they have dominant interior

Speaker 3 linemen and they have a quarterback.

Speaker 3 They have just executed perfectly. The Bills, they just kind of said, hey, Josh, go get us a first.
There's not really like when he jumped over and did that, functioned that play back.

Speaker 3 It scared me. And he's so elite.
But that was the difference between... the Bills and the Chiefs in that game was the coaching in those moments where it felt a little lazy from the Bills.

Speaker 3 It's like, just Josh, go rely on Superman.

Speaker 1 Also, you got James Cook who's getting anything he wanted for most of the game.

Speaker 3 James Cook was running all over

Speaker 3 some type of creative play where if you have josh allen in the open field at 6'5 250 who could run bull you over with an option to run pass or a james cook out there

Speaker 3 i just feel like that's a better play for them than every time lining up and trying to get a one yard when the chiefs knew exactly and they knew hey we know he likes to go to his left or whatever and they they they shoved it i don't have a problem i don't know if you ban it i think you tweak maybe you just don't get pushed from behind anymore and if yeah i don't think ban q i'm not saying ban q sneak it is i'm really not i'm i'm saying ban the 200 pound super athletic player who just right up behind them just pushing him

Speaker 1 listen everybody i think it's boring it's a boring everybody everybody can do it they just can't that's the thing it's not well it's not

Speaker 1 advantage they're just better at it than everybody else to everyone online who is telling me to cry harder or cope guys i won money a good amount of money a mortgage payment on the eagles okay so i'm not hating on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 This isn't,

Speaker 1 and also I realized something. The Giants are so bad.
How can I hate on the Eagles or the Commanders or the Cow? Like, we're nowhere near the Eagles and Commanders right now.

Speaker 1 So what does hating on those teams do for me? Absolutely nothing. So I'll bet on them.
I don't know. That was just, I just think you could get rid of it.
I think it could still be very effective.

Speaker 3 I think you can get rid of it. I think you can tweak the rule.

Speaker 3 I think they will because there's so much backlash. And especially if we see, we're going to see it eight times in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Something is going to happen. Mark my words.
Something with the tush push. I'm not calling it brotherly shove, you animals.
Something is going to happen.

Speaker 3 It sounds worse when you, you grown man, calling it a tush push.

Speaker 1 Good. I want, I want them to feel uncomfortable.
I want everyone to hate it.

Speaker 1 We're going to take a quick break and come back with Austin Reeves right before we do.

Speaker 1 I said it last week. NFL needs a lottery.
Would there be a, look at this weekend. What a perfect weekend.
Imagine if you roll out, we're going to give out the awards.

Speaker 1 Here's the MVP, here's Rookie of the Year. Was the Pro Bowl this weekend?

Speaker 1 Exactly. I don't know.
Do you?

Speaker 3 I think the Pro Bowl games are this weekend.

Speaker 1 Could care less.

Speaker 1 Let's roll out. We're going to do the NFL lottery and we're going to give out some awards.
Everyone would watch that weekend.

Speaker 1 It'd be something so good to talk about instead of these two teams for the next 12 days. So there we go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he won't return my calls. All right, we're going to come right back with Austin Reeves from the Los Angeles Lakers.

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Speaker 1 All right, I'm pretty excited because obviously I'm a huge basketball nerd. We have our first, not only like just any basketball player, but an LA Laker, which is probably making Matt very happy.

Speaker 1 Austin Reeves, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 3 Yes, thanks for coming on, man.

Speaker 1 Come on, now you can tell me you're a big Laker if we're a hat.

Speaker 3 Well, no, no i would say we did we did we had charles we had charles barkley on very early in the show which barkley don't count he's not active but barkley but barkley doesn't count because i got my i got my lakers on now i'm but i'm born and raised i know you're a big kobe fan i grew up in orange county but i've been a diehard laker fan since uh the showtime lakers um i actually uh jj is a buddy of mine me and jj go way back we came out the same year of college so when he he came out of duke the same year i came out of us he had some great jj stories but i will not i will not say it on the pod.

Speaker 3 But you ask him,

Speaker 3 you ask him tomorrow when you see him.

Speaker 3 I heard you had a couple nights out with Leinert back in the day.

Speaker 1 I definitely will. I'm telling you, it'll be hilarious.

Speaker 2 How old would he get some?

Speaker 1 Oh, dude,

Speaker 1 he'll turn red.

Speaker 3 He'll be like, dude, no, we're not talking about that.

Speaker 1 But thanks for coming on, man. How's it going?

Speaker 2 No doubt. Appreciate y'all for having me.
Everything's good.

Speaker 2 Like I said, I got a got a little round in after practice today. So life, life can't be any better.

Speaker 1 I'm going to ask a pretty random question off the gate because I'm a pretty big golf fan myself, right? Do you get in season to play on the road? And if you do,

Speaker 1 how are you transporting the sticks? Does that fall into the equipment manager's purview? Like, where are your clubs? Because the clubs are like the, that's the most important thing while traveling.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure. I just take them to the plane.
They put them under the plane. And

Speaker 2 they take them to, so when we get to the hotel, they give us like a ballroom for the food and sweep and stuff. They just take them in there.

Speaker 2 And if I want to go, I go get them and put them back, and they'll put them back under the plane. So it's they are equipment people make it very, very easy for me to play a little bit.

Speaker 1 You the only one? You the only one?

Speaker 3 I was gonna say, who do you golf with on the road on the team?

Speaker 2 Well, JJ's

Speaker 1 a stick. Yeah,

Speaker 2 he's not the bug right now.

Speaker 2 But before D'Lo got traded, he was the one I played with most.

Speaker 2 We played, I mean, probably over 100 rounds together in the last, you know, year or so.

Speaker 1 LA's got some amazing golf.

Speaker 1 You know, when I was, I wasn't doing like tons of research because I know a lot about your career, but when I was like looking you up and stuff like that, I'm like, Newark for a minute there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, wait, he's from Jersey? I'm like, oh, no, that's Newark, Arkansas. So, you know, you go from there to L.A.
I'm sure the golf course has probably helped transition you as golf everywhere.

Speaker 1 But what is that like going from where you grew up and then next thing you know, you're playing for your favorite team in LA? That just must have been surreal.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was crazy. Um, the night of the draft, when we got the call, and they were like, we'll take you on a two-way, uh,

Speaker 2 you know, it was almost a no-brainer for me, uh, you know, because you said uh, I was a huge Kobe fan, so therefore I was a Laker fan.

Speaker 2 And, you know, just having the opportunity to, you know, play for the team I grew up watching the most, uh, you know, was special.

Speaker 2 And like you said, obviously the golf year-round definitely definitely helped the transition.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of things that I love about LA. There's a couple things I don't.
One being traffic. Traffic is horrible, but

Speaker 2 like I said, when I'm able to go off year-round,

Speaker 2 you know, you can't beat that. But my transition's been very easy.

Speaker 2 I don't do much. I play a lot of golf, play video games.
I don't really go out much. So there isn't much difference.

Speaker 2 About three places: my house, the gym, or the ball sports. And that's it.

Speaker 3 I mean, when you got to LA, obviously it's a big difference from where you grew up. Was there outside of traffic?

Speaker 3 Cause I think everybody kind of understands that when you get there, like, shit, man, this traffic is no joke. It takes, you live, you know, 15 minutes, 20 minutes from the arena.

Speaker 3 It takes you an hour. Was there anything that shocked you when you moved, when you made the move out to LA? or surprised you about the city?

Speaker 2 Honestly,

Speaker 2 what surprised me the most is how much i enjoyed it and how much i like really liked it i'd never been to la before you know literally the day after the draft when i came out here um

Speaker 2 i didn't know what to think when i was on the plane ride here um

Speaker 2 i

Speaker 2 i mean if you'd asked me 10 days before that like if i wanted to be in la i probably would have been like i don't know like I've heard a lot of, you know, not so good things about LA, but ever since I've been here,

Speaker 2 you know, especially with the basketball side of it, you know, the fans have welcomed me with open arms and treated me, you know, really good since day one. So

Speaker 2 like I said, my transition was really good and, you know, it kind of surprised me how much I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 Did you have your

Speaker 1 welcome to the NBA moment? Matt has a great like welcome to the NFL moment. I'm not an athlete.
There's with acting, there's no real like welcome to, you know, maybe there's a welcome to Hollywood.

Speaker 1 You go to the wrong party, but there's no welcome to acting. Did you have uh

Speaker 1 like holy, I'm in the NBA right now? Like, this is happening.

Speaker 2 I think the

Speaker 2 I was actually telling a story a couple days ago.

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 2 there's only been one time

Speaker 2 in my whole life of playing basketball where I was like,

Speaker 1 I don't know if I belong, like, I don't know if I stripped the imposter syndrome for a second.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the crazy thing was, is I wasn't even on the court, I was on this hideline, so it was my rookie year

Speaker 2 in training camp, camp, and

Speaker 2 LeBron came down and like snaked the ball screen or something and shot like a hook shot over DeAndre Jordan from like the elbow.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 they banked in,

Speaker 2 and I was just sitting there like, I don't know if I belong to like belong with the court right now.

Speaker 1 That's not in your bag, you don't got that in your bag. Dude, you got, but you got a filthy bag, dude.
You got a film.

Speaker 2 I don't bad that, though. That was, that was the one time I was like, but then I quickly realized that that was LeBron and not many people can do what he did.
So

Speaker 2 that was, but that was the one time I was like, what the, like,

Speaker 2 I couldn't believe it because he shot it over a 7-2 guy. The touch was insane.
He was going full speed. By the time the ball went in the goal, he was like in the deep corner.

Speaker 2 So I was like, wow, I don't know if I belong here.

Speaker 3 I was telling Jerry my rookie year, I played Monday night football against the Bears, and it was, you're obviously a lot younger, but it was 2006.

Speaker 3 And I was looking across, and it was Brian Erlacher, who was a middle linebacker. And that was the year they ended up going to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 And I just, it was like, I'm walking up and like, you know, I mean, when you play as an alley, you're in a zone.

Speaker 3 You don't really think about much other than like for me to play and all this, but I'm like, I looked and I kind of made eye contact with him and I'm like, oh, and Brian Erlacher's like almost 6'5.

Speaker 3 Like he's a big,

Speaker 3 by the way, he's an absolute stick on the golf course as well.

Speaker 3 And I was like, holy shit, like this Monday Night Football. And I made it.
And then the following year is my second year.

Speaker 3 We went up to Baltimore and played Ray Lewis and Ed Reed when they were rolling. And that's scary.

Speaker 3 That was the first time I was on the field where I was actually like,

Speaker 3 I hope I don't get hit by somebody in this game. Like that, like it was never really thought about.
That was it.

Speaker 3 You said, I mean,

Speaker 3 is there someone? I'm a basketball nerd too. I love basketball.
And is there someone you're only on the court?

Speaker 3 Kyrie had a play like not too long ago where he kind of like crossed over, like the ball went off his forehead. I think he had a little lefty floater.

Speaker 3 And I think they panned to Anthony Edwards and he was just like, holy shit. Is there like someone on the court where you're always just like, I can't believe that dude can do that with the basketball?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple.

Speaker 2 I think the way Steph shoots the ball is, you know, obviously he's the greatest shooter ever, but

Speaker 2 Christmas Day,

Speaker 2 he made a shot in the right corner. I think we were up probably like five at the time or something.

Speaker 2 And he made a shot in the right corner over LeBron where it didn't even look like he, he didn't really have the ball in the right shot pocket. He was having his hands right.

Speaker 2 And so I was on the opposite block boxing out when he shot it. And I'm looking at it like kind of through the goal.

Speaker 2 And the whole time it didn't look like it didn't look good coming off his hand.

Speaker 2 It didn't look like it was going to go in when it, like, when it got closer to the rim and gets to the rim and like hits the, the front of the rim and kind of just scrolls in.

Speaker 2 And we all like in that moment, I think there was a timeout afterwards. We all were like, what the like,

Speaker 2 that's not real, like real people don't do that. Like he's a, he's a different breed.
So

Speaker 2 Kyrie's another one. I mean, and then like KD is, you know, his length.

Speaker 2 It's the way he contributes, pass, shoot. Like.

Speaker 2 There's a handful, probably five to ten guys in the league that are, you know, on that different level.

Speaker 3 Just different, right? Just a different level.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I feel like Durant's one of those players. I always think like it's so fun when players come from college and they go into the draft and they grow from six, seven.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's actually six, nine. And Durant, at least in the media, was always one of those dudes like, he's 6'9.
He's 6'10. I'm like, how tall is this dude? Like, really? By the end of his seven feet,

Speaker 1 I went to Cav's Sons a couple of days ago and I'm like,

Speaker 1 I feel like if you cut Jared Allen's hair a little bit, he's like Jared Allen's size. I guess he is.
You don't realize it.

Speaker 1 How many times have people mentioned to you, you know, you got memed, you have that famous you and LeBron.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know how often that's come up in your career with your boys or whatever. I have a few theories of what you guys are talking about.

Speaker 1 You don't have to say, but your reaction was like one of two things. It's either like, I have no idea what you just said, or you're like, I can't do that.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 I actually make that face quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Right, but he did so much and you did so little.

Speaker 2 So, me and my brother actually do that a lot. Um, that's amazing.
It just happened that the camera caught me in that moment as he was doing that. So, I'll give you all the little story.
So,

Speaker 2 we're in Brooklyn, I'm playing the Nets, and I think we're up probably like 15, 16, and it's like two minutes left. So,

Speaker 2 this is my rookie year.

Speaker 2 Frank calls a timeout, or so they call the timeout. We're running an ATO, and he's drawing up a play on the board.
Well, we're winning by like 17, two minutes left. Like, game's over.
So,

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 2 being the good rookie I was at the time, like, I was locked into the play. Yeah.
Don't know if everybody else was.

Speaker 2 So, I was like a big, I asked a lot of questions, especially like my rookie year because I didn't want to be the guy that messed up.

Speaker 2 So, I was always like, you know, I'm doing this or I'm doing this, right?

Speaker 2 So, I asked Frank going out. I was like,

Speaker 2 I'm doing this. And he was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 So I don't know if there was like a little dead period of time where there was still some time, like

Speaker 2 coming off the clock before we could inbound it. So I just asked Brian again.
I was like, I'm doing this, right?

Speaker 2 I'm pretty sure

Speaker 2 he got mine and Russ's spot mixed up because I wasn't supposed to do anything with the play, which makes sense because my rookie year, I never did anything to other plays.

Speaker 2 I just stood in the corner and played defense. So

Speaker 2 I think he had me in Russ's spot.

Speaker 1 So he was sitting there like doing all the giving you that looked like a lot of Russ stuff that he was doing with his hands.

Speaker 2 I was just like, I don't know what you're talking about. So they just caught me at the right time.
And I didn't even know, like, in the moment, I didn't even know anything about it.

Speaker 2 And then I got to my locker and my phone just wouldn't stop buzzing. Like, my alcohol just punked it.
And I'm like, what? Like, I'm trying to shut it off. And I look up and I was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 They got me. They got me.

Speaker 3 It's like the worst thing to be a meme for sure.

Speaker 2 So we had some fun with it.

Speaker 3 Jerry, you should tell Austin about your celebrity basketball appearances. Stop.

Speaker 1 You said you're not an athlete. Stop.
Stop. I'm not an athlete.

Speaker 1 Austin does not want to hear that. He doesn't want to hear any of my celebrity all-star game performances.

Speaker 1 No, I love to play. I'm the dude who shows up at like the charity game and I'm actually pretending like I'm in the NBA and playing hard.
I'm slapping the floor. I go Russ.
I go like Russ Westbrook.

Speaker 1 I go Russ.

Speaker 3 The funny thing is, is, he actually does. There's video of him like getting the crowd high, like talking shit to the guy.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what are you doing, dude?

Speaker 1 Hey, it is never going to happen for me. This is the closest I'm going to get.
I still play a decent amount of pickup. I tell you what, though, too, I'm obsessed with,

Speaker 1 you know, shoes, obviously for style, but like shoes on the court. I got to say, dude,

Speaker 1 I'm about to purchase. I'm about to purchase some of yours.

Speaker 1 Well, first question, number one,

Speaker 1 I love love the look, but are you a part of the name process? Because the names are amazing, the names are dope of every shoe.

Speaker 1 Are you, how much are you a part of that, or is that someone behind the scenes? Uh, because the names are great.

Speaker 1 When you look at the shoe, you're like, oh, I see that, I get that, especially the Valentine's Day one comes.

Speaker 2 So, I'm not, I'm,

Speaker 2 I'm not creative enough to boil it down to a right. So, my agent, Reggie Berry, he

Speaker 2 we actually are picking shoe names right now, which is funny. Um,

Speaker 2 He'll send me a list of five to seven or five to three

Speaker 2 names. And he's like, this is what I think is, you know, fits, you know, the line, the storyline, whatever.
And I have to pick from the five to seven or whatever they are.

Speaker 2 So, but like I said, I won't take credit for that because if you was to be like, hey, name this shoe, I would just be like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 So you, so I pulled up, you got like year of the dragon.

Speaker 1 That's my favorite. I have my family ties.

Speaker 3 So you, you, so are you aware of these names, or he just sends you the names and you just like the way

Speaker 3 the way they sound?

Speaker 1 And I love it, it's affordable. These shoes are fire, dude.
I'm about to do that. They're dope.

Speaker 1 They got great performance reviews, too. You got great performance reviews.

Speaker 2 No, they've been, they've been, you know, ever since we signed with them with Rigor, they've been nothing but great.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 anything I need at any time. And then they've, you know, let us be hands-on with basically any process that we wanted to, like, with the naming of the shoes, color waves.

Speaker 2 But yeah, no,

Speaker 2 the names always have some type of meaning behind them.

Speaker 1 Can I pitch you something? Because I do love the Hillbilly bogey shoe, right? It's green. It's got some golf.
It's got the bullseye. And we talked about golf.

Speaker 1 Could we put some spikes on that bad boy and take it out to the course?

Speaker 2 They actually sent me,

Speaker 2 you know, the crazy part, they sent me some spikes that you can put into them.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 And so I wore them really bullshit one day when I went to golf.

Speaker 1 Tell me you went low.

Speaker 2 I had my best round ever.

Speaker 1 Of course. Not an ad right there.
This is true.

Speaker 2 I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes. No bogeys, five birdies.

Speaker 2 And it was incredible.

Speaker 1 So is the Hillbilly no bogeys. Exactly.

Speaker 3 What was it like when

Speaker 3 I can only imagine like

Speaker 3 having your own signature shoe is like it's kind of like dude, I made it right like what was it like when you found out that that was all coming together for you?

Speaker 2 Like you said, it was just special. Um,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I, like I said, was huge Kobe fan. So I grew up wearing Kobe's, all the Kobe's.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, just having that opportunity to have my own shoe, have the input on, you know, what,

Speaker 2 you know, even the price and how we can make it affordable for everybody was really special. And, you know, just trying to build that, grow that.

Speaker 2 But like I said, when that opportunity, you know, presented itself, it was, it was a no-brainer and something that, you know, we wanted to, you know, have fun with and be creative with.

Speaker 1 We mentioned Hillbilly Bogey because obviously you got, you know, a great TikTok account, your YouTube channel. I've watched a lot of your stuff because I consume.

Speaker 1 YouTube golf and golf content probably all just as much as basketball these days.

Speaker 2 So way more YouTube golf than I think anything else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just so addicting. It's the best on the plane.
You're on way more planes than me. I'm sure you're probably downloading and watching.
But

Speaker 1 now we're going to go current active players, not retired players.

Speaker 1 Who are you going to get on the channel? Who are you calling out? Is there somebody that you either want or could give you a good round? You said you're low 67.

Speaker 1 I'm sure most NBA players haven't put the time in to get to that level. Who Who do you want on the channel for a match?

Speaker 2 I think the one is Steph.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's where I was going to hope you were going to go.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I just know he was a good player.

Speaker 1 I'd watch that. I wish that was tomorrow.

Speaker 2 I'd watch that. That's really it.
I mean, I think that that's the. There's a couple other guys that are.

Speaker 3 Heck, is Chris Paul good?

Speaker 1 I think Chris Paul can play a lot.

Speaker 2 I actually asked him the other day when we played 10 Antonio. He said he hadn't been able to play much this year.

Speaker 2 Corey Kisper's good.

Speaker 2 Doug McDermott's good.

Speaker 1 I know Kyle kyle lowery's really good which yeah he he i say this with all due respect he's my least favorite player in the nba because he just destroyed like he he destroys

Speaker 3 yeah he just kills well i'm a knicks fan but also just like he just does all the things that you scream at the team he makes you scream at your television which is only because he's a great player so then when i hear he's good at golf too i'm like oh austin have you have you ever watched have you ever watched a game with a like a sporting like a football game or something or a basketball game with an avid fan of their team have you ever like i watched the game with jerry how was that experience for you because i can tell you how my experience was with jerry it's chaos

Speaker 2 it's literally chaos

Speaker 3 isn't it so funny because i don't know i don't know if it's like being an athlete's weird right it's like why do you care so much like i don't it's just so funny to be he was like we were at we were actually we were doing something for the podcast this summer in New York.

Speaker 3 And it was, or was it the summer?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 It was, it was late spring. It was Nick's Pacers.
Second round. The game, OG Ananobi pulled his hamstring.
I remember.

Speaker 3 Playoff game. We're doing like some upfronts for the show.
And we're at this like little bar. And it's like, and I'm honestly, I'm like a kid because I'm like, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 And by the way, we had courtside Nick's seats that night that we chose, that he chose not to go to.

Speaker 1 Because I would have missed the entire second quarter.

Speaker 3 But watching him watch his team play, honestly, dude, it was pure comedy. I was like, why do you get like that? Like, I didn't understand it.
And he doesn't understand my point of view.

Speaker 2 For sure. No, that it's, it's definitely, it's definitely funny.
It's, it's chaos.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, I imagine if,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm trying to put it in my terms, like, if, uh, all right, we're gonna

Speaker 1 shoot this movie or this show, but you guys probably wouldn't even care about that. You guys have seen all the pressure.
There's nothing I could say to shake you or make you care more.

Speaker 1 So I can't even put it into like acting terms or something to make you guys relate. But we care a lot, man.
It's a good, it's a, it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 Y'all are the reason we do it. You know,

Speaker 2 the fans are great.

Speaker 3 How do you, how do you like the Intuit Dome?

Speaker 2 It was cool. It was pretty cool, which, I mean, we, you know, you're so focused on the game and stuff that you don't really get to see all the stuff that's in the.

Speaker 2 arena you don't get to go walk around where the concession stands and all that stuff is but um

Speaker 2 you know i think the the wall that they do is a good idea it kind of pretty sweet brings back that like college atmosphere uh vibe so uh i thought you know i thought it was a uh a really really cool arena

Speaker 3 yeah i went to a game there a couple couple weeks ago randomly i'm a laker fan but i i thought for me just like an in-game experience as a casual fan it was pretty awesome like it was cool like you you get kind of with the laser shows and just the wall and like everything was state of the art.

Speaker 3 Is there,

Speaker 1 is there,

Speaker 3 we got,

Speaker 3 you know, obviously there's some NFL fan bases. I always thought like this, going up to Seattle was tough.
Uh, playing up in Philly is really tough, nasty, too.

Speaker 3 Um,

Speaker 3 what's the let's say worse, like worst fan base or like place you really like, shit, man. Like, I just hate playing there.
Is it the garden or Boston? Is it New York? Is there a place that sticks out?

Speaker 2 I mean, I think, I mean, Boston and New York, but I think that it's not,

Speaker 2 I think that the fan bases are like, they're so passionate and like really know basketball to where it's like,

Speaker 2 it's like cool. Like you have some fan bases that are just

Speaker 2 chaotic that don't really know the game. But

Speaker 2 those fan bases, you know, know the game, enjoy good basketball. And, you know, anytime you go, you know, Lakers, Boston,

Speaker 2 Staples slash crypto, whatever you want to call it, is going to be

Speaker 2 going crazy. So I would say those two.
And also Memphis.

Speaker 2 Memphis gets hectic, which grindhouse.

Speaker 2 I mean, and it's also Memphis is an hour 30 from where I grew up. So I feel like

Speaker 2 anytime we go there, I probably know over, you know, 75 people there. So it's cool to play there.

Speaker 3 I feel like they talk the most shit, too. They talk a little bit.

Speaker 3 Yeah. God,

Speaker 3 I don't know. Maybe it's always like the games I end up watching, but I feel like they just talk the most.

Speaker 1 I feel like every team talks shit, though, right? Like, I guess some of the worst at all.

Speaker 3 I think it was when they had, was it Dylan Brooks, I think, when he was on their team or whatever, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, yeah. Just like, dude,

Speaker 3 I mean, I love it, but I'm just like, I feel like they're

Speaker 1 always competitors.

Speaker 2 They play hard.

Speaker 1 Always, yeah.

Speaker 3 No, they're a good team for sure.

Speaker 1 So are you going to be our first two sport athlete since Deion? Because you're going to go pro in golf at some point, right? It's happening. At least go in the creator classic.

Speaker 1 You would have won that thing. Easy.

Speaker 2 I'm definitely going to try. I've always said it.
I've said it since college that, you know,

Speaker 2 when the basketball does stop bouncing,

Speaker 2 I want to take

Speaker 2 a year and a half, two years and give everything I got to golf.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I've never had a lesson.

Speaker 2 I never practiced.

Speaker 2 I started playing when I was 16.

Speaker 1 You haven't been playing that long in your draft. I mean, I know eight, what, eight years, 25, that's not that long for golf, a man, to be shooting 67s.

Speaker 2 I think, you know, golf is fucking hard for anybody.

Speaker 2 But a lot of the things that I've talked to guys that play, you know, you know, are trying to compete in golf, a lot of the things that they talk about that is really hard for them

Speaker 2 kind of like come natural to me.

Speaker 2 I have very good hand eye coordination.

Speaker 2 You know, chipping, putting,

Speaker 2 putting not as much, but just getting up and down from bad spots is probably something I'm pretty good at because when I started playing golf, I wasn't good at golf.

Speaker 1 You were in those bad spots a lot.

Speaker 2 I was always in bad spots. So I definitely want to give it a go.

Speaker 1 I got faith. If I'm a betting man, I'm putting money that

Speaker 1 we see.

Speaker 3 Romo tried to do it, right? While he was still playing, I think.

Speaker 2 He was the one current athlete, and I think he missed just by i think a couple of shots i think he missed like uh he went to like a one of the the major qualifiers and yeah i think he made like double on 18 to miss it by one or something

Speaker 3 yeah that's got to be like my

Speaker 3 I really like golf. I just don't play.
I don't, I really like it. I got a nice set of clubs.

Speaker 1 Lefty too, right? Left. No, I'm alrighty.
I'm alrighty. Oh, that's right.
You're like left.

Speaker 1 Sometimes,

Speaker 1 right.

Speaker 3 But like, my biggest fear, I'm telling you, man, like just thinking about it, is like hitting in front of a gallery. It's like my biggest fear.

Speaker 2 No, it's real. Right.

Speaker 2 I played in

Speaker 2 a YouTube like tournament, and there was probably three, 4,000 people there. And

Speaker 2 I was playing with Garrett Clark, which is probably like one of the biggest YouTube golfers. So he was my partner.
So our little gallery we had was pretty big. And

Speaker 2 we go to the first tee.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I'm sitting there like, why am I so fucking nervous? Like my hands shaking. Like, so I had already planned it out, like, thought it out.
So I didn't care who they told to tee off first.

Speaker 2 I was going to tee off first because I went and put my ball up before anybody was paying attention. So I teed it up because I knew I was going to be sitting there shaking, trying to put it on the tee.

Speaker 2 And they lined down the T-box. And I'm just sitting there looking like, y'all don't understand.
Like, I'm not a professional golfer.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 this is not, I'm nervous as shit right now. And turned out that that was my best swing all day in a fair way.

Speaker 2 But it's definitely

Speaker 2 different for sure.

Speaker 3 People don't understand. Like, you're right there.
Like, if I was up in a gallery, I'm, I swear to God, I'm taking somebody out. Like, I'm taking somebody out.

Speaker 1 Not on purpose.

Speaker 1 He blasts the dude in the arm. Dude,

Speaker 1 so you're saying that you can relate to a fan that gets excited about watching athletes do great things that they can't necessarily do. So you, I mean, because you guys played in front of thousands.

Speaker 1 If you total it all up, you're probably damn near a million people that you've played in front of live, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you're nervous about that. So what I'm saying is chalk one up for the fans who start crying when OG Ananobi pulls his hamstring like me.

Speaker 1 You guys can't.

Speaker 2 I won't lie to y'all. I'm a fan of Jordan Speeds.
So I

Speaker 1 get nervous, right?

Speaker 2 Anything that you've done watching the Knicks, i've probably yelled with jordan missing a putt or something i've definitely i'm a fan so i i i get it yeah well

Speaker 1 we talked about the shoes with jump purchasing but matt's rubbing it in my face because when we're having you on we're excited to talk about recover 180 and matt's like oh i have some i'm like wait a minute dude i got a bunch

Speaker 3 i didn't even put i didn't even put two and two together until i was like oh i drink this all it's great i freaking love this stuff amazing

Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean, tell us about it.
Like, what are you doing with them?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 Lance came to us.

Speaker 2 This has probably been two years ago now with the idea of partnering together and just trying to build something special.

Speaker 2 And so at first, we were like, cool. Like, I had never heard of it.
So we were like, just send us some stuff.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we'll see where it goes from there. And then we just, you know, continued to stay in touch.
And obviously, the drinks are really good,

Speaker 2 organic.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it was just something that,

Speaker 2 like I said, I wanted to try to grow with a bunch of good people. And it's been nothing but great.
I drink them after games, before games.

Speaker 1 Does it fit in the golf cart cup holder?

Speaker 2 It definitely does.

Speaker 1 That's my big pet peeve. When it don't fit in the golf cart cup holder, it's over.

Speaker 2 The cup holder, you can have them wherever.

Speaker 1 Awesome. Thank you so much.
Good luck with the rest of the season. We're going to let you go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and keep swinging. I know you're busy with basketball, but let's not forget about the little white ball that we like to knock.

Speaker 3 No, we should get around in when Jerry comes out this way.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Austin.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you, man.

Speaker 2 No doubt.

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Speaker 1 So each week, Matt and I, with throwbacks, we kind of want to pick a duo. It could be quarterback, wide receiver, anything in, you know, movies, TV.
We're going TV this week.

Speaker 1 We're going the best duo, mom and dad, television parents. And this could be whatever it means to you.
You'd want them to be your parents. They were funny, whatever your criteria is.

Speaker 1 Quick honor, we'll mention it's like the bad parents. Like, I don't know if you'd want, I just re-watched Breaking Bad.
Don't know if you want Walter and Skylar White as your parents.

Speaker 1 That's a rough one.

Speaker 3 I'm assuming you went, and I have no idea. I'm assuming you went more

Speaker 3 television show.

Speaker 1 Television

Speaker 1 bad show.

Speaker 3 I went sitcom.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I went sitcom too. So this is going to be good.
Do you want to go first? You want me to go?

Speaker 3 I'll go first. So

Speaker 3 the greatest night as a childhood watching television was what?

Speaker 1 TGIF.

Speaker 3 TGIF. Heck yeah.
Thank goodness or thank God whatever you said. Thank God it's Friday.
And you had the run of Family Matters. You had the run of Step by Step.

Speaker 3 You had the run of Full House.

Speaker 1 You did all those shows. I could sing all those songs.

Speaker 3 I'm going, and this is, it's a little, it's a little different. It's not a mother and father.
It's actually three guys.

Speaker 1 And it's Full House.

Speaker 3 Okay. And it's Danny Tanner, played by the late Bob Sagett, incredible, obviously funny, great in that, great career.
Uncle Jesse

Speaker 3 and Uncle Joey. Uncle Jesse, John Stamos, Uncle Joey, Gladstone, obviously

Speaker 1 Dave Coulier.

Speaker 3 And I'm I'm just saying there's a lot of reasons why

Speaker 3 comedy, the show was one of my favorite shows. I had a massive crush on Jodie Sweeten, who played Stephanie Tanner.

Speaker 3 It was the Olson twins breakout. They were babies on that.
Candace Cameron, who I probably had a crush on too later in life.

Speaker 3 I mean, Aunt Becky, who didn't have a crush on Aunt Becky, Lori Laughlin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a little trouble. A little

Speaker 1 trouble back in the day.

Speaker 3 Not too long ago, but still, like every, if you say Aunt Becky, everybody's like, oh, we love Aunt Becky. So I'm I'm going with my favorite TV parents, the trio of dads.
Danny Tanner's a widow.

Speaker 3 He loses his wife in the, in the show, and they come in and they take care of the three daughters.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the three daughters. So a couple of things there.
I love that. Number one, as a child of a single parent, you know, my dad passed away when I was five.

Speaker 1 So when Full House comes along, I used to, not that it made me emotional, but I would be like, oh, it would be really cool if like one of my uncles and like moved in.

Speaker 1 I, I, to me, that was like the perfect family, right? One parent, but then all this other family. Hell, number two, also, I think Candace Cameron married Pavel Bure.
Shout out to hockey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got a little sports connection.

Speaker 1 And I got to know Bob Sagett really well over the years because of his cameos on entourage, which a lot of people put Bob Sagett's cameos on entourage up there for their all-time favorite entourage cameos.

Speaker 1 I mean, I have one of the famous lines

Speaker 1 that I have a lot. Like, Tom Brady sucks balls is probably one of the lines that gets said to me most.
But second or third is, did you just get cock blocked by Bob Sagett? That comes up all

Speaker 1 the time. He was the sweetest guy.
What?

Speaker 1 Like, you know, and what made him so dynamic was like his stand-up was so much different than that character, right? He was a little irreverent. And just every time I ran into him, it was an occasion.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that one meant a lot to me. That's a great one.
I did not pick that one because I went with just one that I went with the first thing that popped in my head.

Speaker 1 When I thought of television parents, the first couple that popped into my head was Phil and Vivian Banks.

Speaker 3 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 3 That was my honorable mention.

Speaker 1 You know, they took in their troubled nephew from Philly who got into a little trouble. Phil, Uncle Phil, was a judge.
So look, he had some juice.

Speaker 1 He could get you out of some situations if you needed it.

Speaker 1 And they just, him throwing jazz out every episode, it just was

Speaker 1 the perfect parent balance for a television show. They were far funny.

Speaker 3 Remember the final, the final show when Will Smith stands or in the empty alone in the house.

Speaker 1 That's one of the biggest memes on Twitter.

Speaker 3 By the way, I cried. I literally, I haven't cried in a lot of.

Speaker 3 like ending of shows and I don't know how old I was, but I could I could pull that up on YouTube, watch that clip and start to get teary-eyed.

Speaker 3 That was one of the greatest runs. Obviously, Will Smith, I mean, just an iconic character, DJ Jazzy Jeff, and then Uncle Phil and Viv.

Speaker 3 God,

Speaker 3 what's his sister's name?

Speaker 1 Well, it's Ashley, young Ashley.

Speaker 3 Young Ashley, and then no, but older.

Speaker 1 What's her name? Hillary. Hillary.
Hillary. Hillary Brady.
Hillary. Can't forget Hillary.
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3 That was on my own. I had a, that one's great, man.

Speaker 3 Mike and Carol Brady, Freddie Bruns, Brady.

Speaker 1 Sure. i mean i had al and peggy bundy up there too different i don't know mention there

Speaker 1 yeah i mean i think they're iconic also fun little fact about uh the actor who played uncle phil he was also i'm a ninja turtles kid like the cartoon he was the voice of shredder in the ninja turtles was he i didn't know that

Speaker 1 yes turtles he was the voice of shredder so

Speaker 1 Shout out to Uncle Phil and Aunt Viv. And thank you to Wendy's.
That's our dynamic duo. And that leads us right perfectly into our throwback three.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a i feel bad for this one honestly i know because we're just gonna be ripping on fan bases this week our throwback three is the top three most tortured fan bases in any sport doesn't have to be football or bats any sport so uh i've had some time to think and there's a lot there's a lot that they make that you can go this in many directions with torture i'm excited I think you can go in a lot of different directions, but I'm excited to get what people think too, because normally with these, we can send out and there's a lot of debate and all that.

Speaker 3 But I think we'll get a lot of these fans and these fan bases giving us all the reasons why they're tortured and they hate their sports teams, but they love them at the same time.

Speaker 3 And while they're never going to win. So you got it, man.
You want to fire away?

Speaker 1 Yeah. And honestly, I'm pretty clear on my number two and number one.

Speaker 1 Number three was the toughest. And for me, it was between

Speaker 1 the Jets. and the Lions.

Speaker 1 I went with the Lions because they're just better right now. And that was a really tough loss.

Speaker 1 You can make the argument that the Jets really have the Namath Super Bowl and, you know, a little Vinny Testa Verde run.

Speaker 1 And then the two Mark Sanchez AFC Championship appearances is really the only thing they've had in franchise history. And that, that franchise, those fans are stark.

Speaker 1 But with the Lions, I just think it's different.

Speaker 1 You know, from the Thanksgiving games, the run of no playoff appearances, even with Stafford. To me, number three

Speaker 1 is the Detroit Lions. And I think the fan base, one of the fan bases I'm rooting the most for success because I like

Speaker 3 not Detroit-based, but just the Lions

Speaker 1 in particular. Lions-specific.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, they were, you know, they're one of the oldest franchises.

Speaker 1 That's the other thing around 1930.

Speaker 3 They've never made it to a Super Bowl. So it's almost, it'll be almost 100 years.

Speaker 1 And boy, do they want it?

Speaker 3 I put Cincinnati as three.

Speaker 1 And I went more

Speaker 3 sport in general, just kind of like overall, when you think of Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 The last championship was in 90. That was a Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 The Rads. That's one of my favorite baseball teams of all time.

Speaker 3 Bengals, 0-3 in the Super Bowl. They've only been three times.
They've never won. And you look at the Bengals.
You look at now they have.

Speaker 3 I always based it around, okay, you have Joe Burrow. You have one of the best.
What are you going to do with Joe Burrow?

Speaker 3 But now you play in an era where you have to defeat Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. It's just, it's a really tough time.

Speaker 1 And And that ran April was their moment. They should, they really.

Speaker 3 Aaron Donald finishes it off.

Speaker 3 That was a chance they had.

Speaker 3 You go back to some of, you know, Carson Palmer, who a good friend I played with, you know, he was number one pick, great player.

Speaker 3 Pete Rose, rest in peace, banned from baseball, but was like one of the most iconic. I'm just saying, like, you go back and you're like, man, Achilles Smith.

Speaker 1 Remember Achilles Smith? Achilles Smith.

Speaker 3 Yes. Achilles Smith's son is a baller.
He's a. I'm sure.
Yeah, he's, I think he committed to Oregon. So he, he and Cole know each other.
They're around the same age.

Speaker 3 But yeah, just Cincinnati. I think when you look at it, you just, you're like, eh, the Reds haven't been good in a long time.

Speaker 3 The Bengals are kind of there, but notoriously been sort of a just kind of a cheap, I don't say shitty organization, but just, you know, they have the pieces now. They have some of the pieces.

Speaker 3 What are they going to do with them?

Speaker 3 Obviously, you go, yeah, I go Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 It's a cool town, though. It's a a cool town.
Cool town, but also it's like

Speaker 3 sports town, too.

Speaker 1 It was really tough this year not to make the playoffs with that team.

Speaker 1 With that offense specifically, that is a playoff.

Speaker 3 Don't lose to New England.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. I agree.
That's what I mean. Like, you don't want to waste.

Speaker 1 I just get to the point of you don't want to, not you're wasting, you don't want to miss out on too many healthy Joe Burrow years. Not you only have so much time.

Speaker 3 You think these guys are going to play for 15 and maybe they do, or you think you're going to be able to keep Jamar and all every, like, it just doesn't work that way. It's very hard to do that.

Speaker 1 T. Higgins is tossed around in every trade rumor or freeze.
T. Higgins designing.

Speaker 1 They should try.

Speaker 3 They try and keep him, but they lose. I mean, yeah.
That's what I want for you. And again, you're just banking on being healthy every year.
Exactly. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, my number two, I would be remiss not to call myself out. I have to here.
And it just is the way it is. But I'm putting the New York Knicks specific fans on there.

Speaker 1 And I'll make the case for you, Matt.

Speaker 1 Some success in the 70s, two championships. No one under the age of 60 really remembers any of that.
We had the 90s run. Michael Jordan broke our heart every single time.

Speaker 1 We talked about the Mahomes thing. That was the same thing with the Knicks.
Knicks were up 2-0

Speaker 1 in 94 and blew a 2-0 lead with home court advantage. Like you'd think they're dead and they're just not.
And then obviously nothing really good has happened from then on.

Speaker 1 One finals appearance run in a half a season. But just look at from 2000 till now, which is now a 25-year run.

Speaker 1 There's like four playoff appearances in those 20 years. So I think most Nick fans will agree with me.
And now, yes, things are good. Things are good.
A lot of fun. Vibes are high right now.

Speaker 1 We've suffered to get to this point. And that's why I feel like it's okay.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you've, I wouldn't say you're tortured.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 3 Cincinnati's never, I mean, some of these teams have never, I mean,

Speaker 3 Detroit Lions have never won a Chipotle.

Speaker 1 They won't have a championship in 1972.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you still, I mean, you guys, what did you guys get that?

Speaker 1 Like, you guys have a star team this year.

Speaker 1 And you guys, the Bengals have a star team this year. You didn't make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 You guys made the playoffs last year and you guys are rocking right now.

Speaker 1 Listen, I mean, I get now. The vibes are high.

Speaker 3 But I wouldn't say the Knicks, I wouldn't be like the Knicks are.

Speaker 1 Imagine being the worst.

Speaker 3 Well, knowing what type of fans you guys have, knowing you, I can understand why you guys.

Speaker 1 Well, here's what I'm saying. This is the kind of torture we had to endure.
Imagine being the bottom three in the NBA for like four straight years and not having a first-round draft pick.

Speaker 1 Think about it like that.

Speaker 1 There was a run there where the Knicks were bottom three for years in a row with no first-round pick.

Speaker 1 And then we picked Christoph's Porzingis, and then now he's winning championships for the Celtics so that's my number two I know Nick fans and Charles Oakley can't even sit in your arena come on you guys that I refuse to discuss I will not because I love Oakley I will not discuss my number two

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 3 I'm gonna assume this might be your number one I'm going Minnesota nope not my number one my

Speaker 3 in the honorable mention we might have the same number one we might not for sure

Speaker 3 Minnesota

Speaker 3 when you look at all of the sport I think I would say great sport I mean great sports town they got the T-Wolves it's a great sports town.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've been there.

Speaker 3 Minnesota Vikings. Twins.
They got a ring with Twins.

Speaker 3 You have all four major posts, Minnesota Wild.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 3 Couple factoids here. The last championship came in 91.
Do you know which team won that?

Speaker 1 Obviously, it wasn't. 91 was the Twins.
Yeah, Minnesota Twins. Yeah, Kirby Puckett, baby.

Speaker 3 Favorite player. My brother's favorite player growing up all time, Kirby Puckett.
Mine was Ken Griffey and Vince Coleman. Random, I know.

Speaker 3 Vikings never won a Super Bowl. They've been four times.

Speaker 3 I love doing fucking research when we do this shit.

Speaker 1 Well, because you realize how bad they are. You realize how bad or how great they are.

Speaker 3 I put some notable heartbreaks in there. See if you remember some of these.
Missed kicks by Gary Anderson and Blair Walsh. Yep.
Favre's interception in 2009.

Speaker 1 The failed Herschel Walker trade.

Speaker 3 Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 Do I? I mean, so yes. Okay, but it led to Emmett Smith, right?

Speaker 3 It led to Emmett Smith, Darren Woodson, and Russell Maryland.

Speaker 1 So in

Speaker 3 89, the Vikings traded for Herschel Walker, who was, I mean, was a beast, right? I mean,

Speaker 3 still a beast, but didn't pan out. But in return, the Cowboys essentially got all those draft picks, and they drafted those three players.

Speaker 3 The Cowboys went on to win, obviously, three Super Bowls in the 90s, and the Vikings. So like you look back and you're like,

Speaker 1 So you're doing the whole city of Minnesota.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm just doing, yeah, I'm just doing it as a sports town. Yeah.
The The Vikings, I,

Speaker 3 and then this year with Sam Darnold and all that, and you know how I feel about Sam, but just the year they had, and they've been, they've been, they're a very good team.

Speaker 3 Playoffs a lot of times, even with the cousins, but just, you just, they can't get over the hump. So

Speaker 3 say Minnesota. I don't know how, I would say this.
I don't know,

Speaker 1 like, New York fans are, are.

Speaker 3 Like Philly fans love their sports, right? They probably hate them, but they love them.

Speaker 1 They're always showing up.

Speaker 3 I don't know if Minnesota has like,

Speaker 3 they might hate me for saying this, like truly great, appreciative fans. I'm sure the Vikings, you know what I mean? Like, do the Twins fans?

Speaker 1 I think they do. I mean, the few I know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. So maybe.

Speaker 1 I know Josh Dumas. I know Nick Schwartzen.

Speaker 1 Like, do they have deep, deep-rooted

Speaker 3 Vikings fan?

Speaker 1 I think Vikings for sure. Vikings for sure.

Speaker 1 Honestly, the Twins have had, you know,

Speaker 1 they have been a lot of first-round exits.

Speaker 3 I mean, they can't even fill up their stadium anymore.

Speaker 1 They were a lot of first-round exits to the Yankees in, you know,

Speaker 3 I take that back.

Speaker 3 I think, I mean, I'm sure there's true good fans there, but they just, I mean, they haven't celebrated a championship since the Twins, and I don't even think people will go watch the Twins anymore in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 I'm with you, man. Wow.

Speaker 1 Look, number one,

Speaker 1 it's the Bills. It's the Bills.
I'm sorry. I feel for you, Buffalo.
We even got to lump in the sabers with all of this who have not been, not that we talk hockey much on the show.

Speaker 1 I do love playoff hockey. But yeah, there's from the four Super Bowls to everything going on now to being in the same division as Tom Brady, something has got to give.

Speaker 1 And their fan base is so electric and amazing.

Speaker 1 If I could say what team I'd want to win a championship that I have no affiliation with in football, for sure, it's the Bills. I would feel, and

Speaker 1 I feel the best for their FA. I feel like they would appreciate that Super Bowl more than any other franchise.

Speaker 3 I told you this story, but I was with the Bills for a cup of coffee in preseason, my last year. And

Speaker 1 Doug Murray. Is that like a call like spur of the moment? You hop on the flight and you're gone.
Like, I am going to Buffalo.

Speaker 3 I was on an elliptical 24-hour fitness in Hermosa Beach. True story.

Speaker 1 And you just got a call like, hey, Buffalo needs to be.

Speaker 3 I was still training. Yeah, I was still working out, but I was still working out, but

Speaker 3 I was done. Like, I was, I was, I had a workout for Pete in Seattle earlier that year, like in March, and then just training throughout the summer, one foot in, one foot out, didn't really care.

Speaker 3 And then my agent called and he was like, Buffalo, you're going to fly out tonight on a red eye. You're going to get there tomorrow, go through, and then you're practicing.

Speaker 3 It was literally practice the next day. I was there for four days.
It was preseason four, game number four. Really doesn't matter.
A lot of the backups play. Kevin Cobb had a concussion.
He was out.

Speaker 3 They just drafted E.J. Manuel.

Speaker 1 It was their first draft. Yeah, E.J.
Manual.

Speaker 3 So I always wonder if

Speaker 3 I would have played well, would I have made it? Probably not. I think they needed an arm, and I was okay with that.
I didn't really care, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 But I played like shit.

Speaker 3 I will say the three days that I was there, there was one event that took place with the team, like a back, like they do, like an event where the players come in and sign some autographs.

Speaker 3 I remember they treated me like

Speaker 1 a king.

Speaker 3 Just the fans in the sense of, oh, we're so, I was like, they love that team so much. I disappointed them so much in that game.
But my, my glimpse of the Bills mafia firsthand

Speaker 3 and Houston had good fan. I, it was just like, wow, this is cool.
Like, this is a cool place. There's not much to do out there in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 Are they up there for you as a fan base just from even like a quick four-day experience from things you've seen in the NFL?

Speaker 3 There's zero doubt. Like, maybe the best fan.
I mean, a lot of these teams have great fan bases, but maybe the best, like, truly passionate, love their team. And that's all they got up there, man.

Speaker 3 I mean, you're from New York. It's Buffalo, like the Sabres and Buffalo Bills.
There's nothing else over in Buffalo. And so I'm with you.
I want them to win a championship.

Speaker 3 I don't care as much about the Sabres. I want the Bills to win a championship

Speaker 1 before it's all said and done. And I will say, too, like,

Speaker 1 Josh Allen is in a way similar with Mahomes, like a Steph Curry, where they are getting a lot of fans that don't live in Buffalo but love Josh Allen. Like my nephew's the perfect example.

Speaker 1 And even though he lives in, like, my nephew's claiming, well, Buffalo's New York. Like, yeah, you, I told him, like, you live closer to Cleveland than Buffalo.
And that's not, that's not a joke.

Speaker 1 That's true. You can get here faster than you could Buffalo.
But I do feel like there's a lot of Bills fans for this very specific team. And my nephew really wants to go to a game.

Speaker 1 So anyone out there listening, you got the Buffalo Bills hookup, let me know because I think I got to take this kid to a Bills game next year. You got to take him to a game in September, preferably.

Speaker 1 I ain't trying to freeze my ass.

Speaker 3 I did, I did play, I did beat Josh Allen in a flag football game. That's my claim to face.

Speaker 1 Hell,

Speaker 1 we count everything here.

Speaker 1 I want a championship.

Speaker 3 I ran through in the playoffs, I ran through Josh Allen,

Speaker 3 Will Levis. No, Will Levis, then Josh Allen, and then Desmond Ritter, and then Dorian Thompson Robinson to win the championship.

Speaker 1 You should just maybe highlight the Josh Allen part of those.

Speaker 3 Oh, his team wasn't very good. We smacked his team.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, this was a really, really fun show. Maddie, next week, I look forward to seeing you bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, well-rested.
Josie Leiner,

Speaker 1 we love you. Throwbacks, Throwbacks, Josie.
Rockstar. Rockstar, I can't wait to hear about your backyard project next week that's going on that Matt said yes to.

Speaker 3 It might be the wrong time to vet about the backyard

Speaker 3 with a couple day old, but all good.

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Speaker 1 We will be at the Fanatics Red Carpet event in New Orleans. And the next time I see you, Matt, you'll be a father of four, and I will see you in New Orleans.

Speaker 3 Yes, sir. Peace.
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