Super Bowl is Set, Eliminate the Tush Push, Most Tortured Fans & Austin Reaves Joins!

Can I pitch you something?

Because I do love the Hillbilly bogey shoe.

And we talked about golf.

Could we put some spikes on that bad boy and take it out to the course?

You know, the crazy part, they sent me some spikes that you can put into them.

So I wore them.

Tell me you went low.

It was kind of my best round ever.

Of course.

I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes.

No bogeys, five birdies.

It was incredible.

So it was the Hillbilly no bogeys five birdies it was incredible so it was the hillbilly no bogeys all right welcome to another episode of throwbacks of course i am not alone i'm always joined by my amazing co-host matt liner who's got a big just a lot to a lot to unpack with him both in the sports world and in our personal lives a lot going on as i just got a i got a text from josie who just we're just talking i thought it was like i was gonna be like oh shit dude she's pissed but she's not but we can get into why she just text me she just told us about a photo shoot that we have to do in the next 12 days okay well you have a lot of things to do i got a lot going on buddy i want to point out before we dive into the things that are truly truly important one of the work things that's important is again we're going to be at the super bowl we're going to be at the red carpet we're doing a throwbacks episode from the fanatic super bowl party in new Orleans, February 8th. I mean, we're going to be at the red carpet.
We're doing a throwbacks episode from the Fanatics Super Bowl party in New Orleans. Sick.
February 8th. I mean, we're starting to get asked, like, who's going to be there? We don't even know who's going to be there.
We just know it's going to be, it's going to be like the Royal Rumble. People just coming down the carpet.
We got asked who's going to be there so many times this week. And we're like, or like, what kind of prep do you do? We're like, we haven't really thought about that yet.
We haven't, we don't know we're just gonna wing it we're gonna yeah but that's is that's the best type of i think stuff right just like wing it but yeah i mean it's gonna be it's gonna be awesome the who's who party of the weekend super bowl weekend is always a blast you and i have been to a bunch of super bowls and whether it's the parties the people you meet the things you you get to do, but for us to be together to do throwbacks on the red carpet, shout out to Michael Rubin, Fanatics, for letting us be there. And we get to go in the party, too, when we're done.
We're in the party. Are you getting after at this party? Is this one of those things? Because what kind of party guy are you these days at 44? Okay, 45.
You're very great. You're awesome that you think I'm 44.
So historically, I am one of two people at a party. Sometimes, and I feel like the Fanatics party, I'm not saying this in a bad way.
It's a day party. But I'm going to be uncomfortable because I'm going to be the only, not the only, but a lot of accomplished athletes.
Like I'm going to have a little bit of a, why am I here? I'm going to get kicked out. I don't belong.
There's going to be imposter syndrome. I'm going to stop you for one second.
We should do, it would be hard to like figure this out. Remember we did in Manhattan Beach, who would get recognized more? I don't think we'd do that, but I guarantee you,

we'll set the over and under. We'll talk about this next week before.
The over under of how many people come up to you and say something about Proctor or something about Turtle. I bet that number is super high.
Well, I sometimes get uncomfortable at big events like this. So I do one of two things.

I either responsibly drink my way through it right like kind of helps get me out of my shell for lack of a better word then i'm like the life of the party the people will invite me to their birthdays after oh we got to like jerry can i see that side of jerry can we just or the flip side is i have a couple of drinks and i'm just wallflowering it i find the spot that's away from everyone i post up hopefully sitting and i it all depends too on like the the level of volume i need to be able to talk and have a little witty repartee and then i'm good at the party if i can't do that and the music's just i'm like i mean it's i i've seen videos like they have a dj i. I think Bieber came out and tried.
I mean, it's like a full day party, like vibe and like you're jamming to music and people. I'm going to follow your lead because I'm very similar to you.
I have a feeling most of the weekend, we're going to be more the wallflower, like have a couple of drinks, post up and just watch. Are you a wallflower? I can't imagine you as a wall wall.
I feel like you're a social butterfly. No, I'm more of that.
It just, it just depends. But I think in this party, I think we should be like, I want to see Jerry rock.
Like, I just want to see Jerry rock. I want to see you in your element.
The reason why we've come together is because of our mid two thousands run. Like, let's be honest.
Right. That's like our two worlds collided.
And I think those two worlds need to collide again Super Bowl week. I will say- Responsible.
I feel like you were, you are, were, are an amazing wingman. Not even for like, let's go hit on chicks like that.
Just like at a party, you know enough people, but you have enough social anxiety that you're not on the dance floor like Frank the Tank. I feel like you're a good wingman at a party.
Yeah, for sure. I'm very similar to you.
I don't get social anxiety, but I'm much like, I'm not, as I've gotten older, I found myself not as much as a people person or I just really enjoy the people that I'm already with. And like, I don't need to, I think that's a great dad thing, right? Like as a dad, it's like, I don't really need to expand my circle of friends.
You know, like your kids start playing sports. It gets closer and it's harder to get, bring more people in.
You just buy with people. You know, this party is going to be different clearly, but yeah, I look, I look, I think we just kind of play it by ear,

but I don't think we go in with any type of expectation.

I think we just go in and like,

if we want to go take a shot,

let's fucking rock and take a shot, okay?

Be open to where the Super Bowl takes us and where the Fanatics party takes us.

But anyway, yeah, Super Bowl, Fanatics, red carpet,

we'll be there, we can't wait.

Question that I'm definitely going to ask

some of the people that stopped by the throwback spot on the carpet okay are you okay is it approvable to whatever you refer to it french exit irish goodbye how do you feel do you get offended like if you and i had a great time for three hours i call it the houdini but then you turn around and like where's ferrara i don't. And then you don't see me till the next day.
You mad at me. You're texting me like, wow, you don't even know.
Why are you like, oh, he left. Great.
No, because I'll do my rule of thumb for me is like if we go out with a big group, like say locally here, I will say all my friends don't listen to this. I will probably say goodbye to one or two people and be like, yo, I'm leaving in five minutes.
I'm just letting you know. And then when I bounce, I bounce.
I don't need to tell the whole group. So for you and I, I already know that's already in your party bag for this.
We got that chemistry. We got that QBY receiver chemistry.
If it's me and you and a couple dudes at super bowl and you're like hey letting you know i'm out in the next 15 and then i'll be like go i wouldn't i could i could care less but if you leave if you leave at the super bowl party without telling me i'd be like what the fuck okay okay i would i would noted i have no problem bouncing early but i need to know there's gonna be a lot going on, so follow along with us. Follow us on At Throwback Show on all social platforms, YouTube especially.
Who knows? Maybe we'll do some live stuff just the week while we're there. But more importantly, too, we want to hear from you guys as well.
What's something that we must do? Must being the key word.

Something we must do when we're in New Orleans.

I've spent some time in New Orleans.

I don't know if you have.

I'm going to gamble my ass off too.

Okay.

That's a good must.

I did a movie for a few weeks in New Orleans.

And one thing I was told to do,

which we did do,

we in the daytime went through a drive-thru

and got a hurricane drink. And that shit put me out for the day.
One. One put me out for the entire day.
So we're not doing that. That's when they put 47 different liqueurs in there and you just get hammered off of one sip.
We're not doing that. But yeah, send us your thoughts on what we must do while we're in this room.
Look, I think also, too, what are some of the stuff, questions you guys want us to ask some of these people? I mean, we're going to get A-list people from all different- Should we do a practice run? Trevor Lawrence walks down the carpet in his cast, right? I saw him at the Super Bowl last year in Vegas. What kind of shampoo do you use for that flow? Do you think it's the hair that's slowing you down? Like, should you cut the hair going into next season? It's worked for some people.
Do we want to get a new look for next year? You just got a new head coach, right? New look, new you. Yeah, I think everyone who's listening, throw us question ideas, you know, in all of our social media chat.
Like we check and we love it.

Honestly, I would say this, like everything goes, we're going to have just fun.

Like we don't, we're not going to really have like this crazy.

It's not going to be professional.

Yeah.

We're definitely not going to be professionals.

Well, we got some other, we got some other big stuff going on, Matt.

Okay.

I don't want to put you on blast, but we've talked about it on the show before. We heard your lovely wife who's been on this podcast before.
She's a lot more pregnant than she was the last time she was here. Dude, I'm just getting uppercutted from all angles over here.
I'm just getting fucking bodybuilders. This is probably the last show before your baby.
It's imminent, right? So how are you guys feeling knowing that you're about to go from, you know, you have three. Cole's 18 though.
So he's, consider him a young. I mean, this is four.
It's four. Yeah, three.
But you're going to have three under five, essentially. Yeah, just turned to five.
Let me just say all this. We were super excited.
We were back and forth for a long time about having the third baby. Ultimately, this is what we decided.
And, you know, I think for my wife, especially like, really felt like this would complete our family. And again, I'm all in on that, obviously.
She's been a rock star this whole pregnancy. She works.
She's just super mom. She's just everything.
She's ready. Like we're a couple of days.
We're a couple of days away. Like we will have a baby by this time next week.
That's for sure. So we're excited.
I actually woke up this morning. I was like, couple more sleeps.
Like the kids say, it's happening's happening um so i you know we've just been so busy that it's like you almost and with the kids and all that it's almost like you just like it creeps up on you and we're like holy shit this is happening now so uh fired up we're super excited she's gonna crush it like she always does um her mother uh my mother-in-law just came in town she's the best best. She's got a one-way ticket, so she's here.
The troops have landed on the beach. The troops.
We got our name. I mean, we are full.
Storming the beaches of Manhattan. Oh, dude.
We're just locked and loaded over here. We are locked and loaded.
So I got a few questions for you, though. Yeah, fire them away.
You a diaper guy? You a bath guy? What's your dad thing? Like, hey, I got, with the baby, infant, I got this part. For me, I was a good bath, book, pajamas, let's go to bed guy.
I was good at that part. I got to be honest.
I'm not a big newborn phase guy. It's fair.
I really don't like it. I think I speak for a lot of dads when it comes to that.
Who won't say it, but you are. I can't, I really, I really don't like it.
Um, I think, I think I speak for a lot of dads when it comes to that. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you know, jumping off a cliff here with that comment, but, um, I just, there's not a lot to do for me.
Um, and we had, you know, we had issues with both our boys, like with, with, uh, milk and breastfeeding. And I'm like, you know, I don't know if I'm telling too much, but whatever.
Like, so like it was, it was, and we had our, both our boys, like with milk and breastfeeding. And I'm like, I don't know if I'm telling too much, but whatever, like, so like it was, and we had, both our boys had severe acid reflux and all that kind of stuff.
They couldn't sleep on their back. So our two were miserable sleepers for a long time.
So like, it was just tough on us where then we've had, obviously they were healthy, like that was just a small issue, but, and we've had, maybe you guys are the case. Like we've, we have close friends whose baby slept like 10 hours after two months.
How annoying is it when you're up all night and you see another couple with a newborn and you're like, Oh, how's that newborn sleeping? And then you're only hoping to hear that they're as bad as you. And like, Oh, this sleeps like nine, 10 hours a night.
It's like, I'm like,'m like, what? So her and I are like- Who asked you?

Her and I are like, oh my gosh,

what if this baby actually sleeps?

We have a best friend.

Their baby, I'm probably off some months here, but like say a year old,

was sleeping until like 10.30 a.m.

Like in bed at seven.

It just wouldn't even get out of bed.

And we're like, what?

And they're like, yeah, it was amazing.

And they had two other kids, it was amazing. Like, we just haven't experienced that.
So that's one thing, but like the newborn, the newborn phase, in my opinion, I'm just, I tell every, every new dad too. It's like, you're just there for, for emotional support with your wife.
You're there to go do a lot of things. I'm there probably more with my boys now, even Cole and my other boys, like sports.
And we got this and that, and I'll take them because really the newborn is pretty easy for the most part during the nights are tough, but during the day it's eat, sleep, shit, eat, sleep, shit, eat, sleep, shit. And you're just, you're on a clock, you know, but that's it.
So I am, I am. So you're not diaper bad.
Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm also diaper too. I'm not afraid of that the problem is is you know we're not finding out if we have a girl I got no idea how to change a girl diaper that's so true front to back I heard front to back right is that what we do I don't know listen I'm a boy dad I have two boys you have three boys I don't I don't know I don't know you're gonna have to a lot of my like my best friend has three girls i'm like dude i know how to block yourself from getting peed on from a boy like i've gotten good at the fast twitch to not get sprayed you know how many times i've just literally stuck my hand on there when they're just like yeah just wear it like or like they got a little poop in the butt i'm just like i'll just use my finger whatever i'll wipe it like they you just like it's so i a girl, I feel like I'm just going to be like, oh my God, like it's so delicate.
I'm so delicate, you know? Like, I don't know. We'll see what happens.
But so I'm good on the diaper. I'm good on all that stuff.
None of that bothers me. I got to tell you, I got to tell you something about last night.
So the conversation in our household now, and a lot of guys are going to relate to this, is the whole vasectomy thing. Oh.
Yeah. So we're done having kids.
Like, this is it, right? There's no debate there. We're done.
Preach. I don't really want to get a vasectomy, dude.
And this shit kept me up last night for a couple hours. You're probably the same.
Once my mind starts running on something, I'm just like, I can't stop. The silence becomes deafening of your thoughts.
And then I'm thinking, and I've talked to a lot of my boys about this. And a lot of my boys are like, dude, it's awkward.
I had one time this doctor was in there with a couple of women. And I, like I'm average, you know, I'm average.
I'm just sitting there. Everything's flying around.
It's just super uncomfortable. I'm like pissing myself laughing so much.
Cause I'm like, I'm like, oh, I don't want to go through that. Oh, this sounds all terrible.
That kept me up. I don't know.
I need some advice. Do I just, do I just risk it and not do it? No.
Do you want to have seven kids? Do you want to have seven children? I know there's other things you could do. That's what she told me this week.
I said, well, I'm just not going to do it. We'll just be safe.
And she goes, okay, well, you're going to risk having another one. She is 100% true because you could think you did everything right.
And there's terms for this, Matt. Sli, slipped one past the goalie.
There's terms for this, and it happens over and over and over again. The bottom line is, is it kept me up this week, and I'm going to find a doctor.
I'm going to delay it as much as possible, but I'm going to find a doctor, and I'm going full anesthesia, knockout. Hey, see if they'll do a twofer.
Maybe I'll come. I'll fly out to L.A'll do a twofer.
You're going to do that and not tell Bree? Because that wouldn't go well. Oh, no, no, no.
No, not going to do all that. So that's where I'm at.
I don't know. Guys, I mean, I know I'm in this.
I know I'm not alone on this. I know I'm not alone on this.
And every guy that all my buddies that have gotten one, they said it sucks. They're like, it just sucks.
It's not giving birth clearly. And I'm not comparing that because that is out of this world, but it's just not ideal.
And it's just something about, you know, me just going full, like ankles in like straps, bootstraps, and just like, here you go, buddy. And I'm, and I'm, and I'm awake.
That's the thing. I don't want to be awake while he's up in my nuts.
So I got like one or two more, and I promise everyone, we are going to talk about sports. We're going to talk about what happened this past weekend and going forward.
Also, I kind of buried the lead. We had Charles Barkley on earlier, so you could say we've had a basketball play around, but we also have Austin Reeves joining us from your Los Angeles Lakers.
I should have led with that, but we just got caught up on some personal stuff. So he's going to be joining us right after we wrap up here for a second.
Okay, you don't know what you're having. So I'm sure you've talked names.
I don't, I think that girl names are easier to come up with. Because for me, and I don't know me, and your two boys have really cool, unique names.
But for me, you meet a lot of people in your life. So when we were talking about boy names, it's like, what about Justin? Nope, nope.
This kid in eighth grade. Justin, real piece of shit.
Can't do it. What about every boy guy name I was associating with someone or something? So I went with the two names I knew the least about.
But then with girl names, I don't really have those strong opinions. Like you could pitch me anything and it just sounds better.
And I think you could be more adventurous with girl names. Yeah, it's like baby clothes.
Like girl clothes are so much better. They're so much better than boy clothes.
And I have no experience. But for us, we're all Cs.
So we actually made it harder on ourself. That may be easier in some way, but harder because we're all Cs.
Cole obviously was the first one. And then when we decided with Kacen and Cannon, we're like, let's just keep it all Cs.
So we have, but to your point, we have C names picked out. And I'll say this.
So Brady Quinn and Alicia Quinn, great friends. They just had, they had a baby a couple of weeks ago and they named their baby boy Cade.
Beautiful baby. Cade Quinn, that's kind of a dope name.
Kids playing quarterback somewhere. Everyone's doing well over there.
Shout out to Brady and Alicia and their clan of 19 kids. But Cade, I'll say this because we're not going to name our son.
Cade was one of our final- It was up there. Oh, it was like there.
And then they made their announcement and it was like you. And Josie was like, we can't name him Cade because Alicia and Brady are named him Cade.
Yep, it's out. And I told Brady that during the season.
I'm like, damn you, dude. We love that name.
So we had an alternative that we've always liked.

And then the girl, but you're right.

The girl names are just more,

they're more adventurous.

They're more fun.

And we'll see.

We have a couple lined up for that as well.

And I guess I grew up with a lot of asshole dudes.

I'm like, what about Joseph?

No, no, can't do that.

There's no, no.

This kid owes me money still.

When you guys when you guys have your third oh you know at some point because that'll be a whole pod i feel like that's a perfect segue to talk sports have you already thought about name i mean i don't feel like we're all jays but we didn't do it intentionally jacob james me jerry it wasn't you got to keep a J. You got to keep a J.
But I feel like Bree's now at a point where she doesn't know what to say when she's calling for someone. J, J, she's just all over the place.
Yeah. I kind of like having all the same letter.
It's kind of cool. Like keeps them like a little tribe, you know? All right.
Well, more to come on that. I look forward to, and let's just say the Ferraris have their own personal feelings on what's coming.
Well, listen, next week, we're going to talk about, obviously next week's Super Bowl, we have a lot to talk about, but I do want to talk about the renovation project that my wife is spearheading at some point. And we don't have to do it.
You don't have to do it on this one because it's uh yeah that's gonna all right more on that more on that next week uh and like i said like i said i'm getting hit with just just jabs just jabs boom well this is an interesting weekend obviously uh you know football's off we're going to talk about what happened last week and then really there's nothing to do but talk about these two teams for two weeks which i feel like is a little long but everyone is talking about the chiefs being like the number one villain in sports and if you want to beat that if you want to be the champs you got to beat the champs and i i hear all that and i get it but i i don't also want to lose the fact that they are going for a three-peat, which Mahomes is going to get a lion's share of the credit for, but, and maybe that's fair, but Andy Reid, Chris Jones, Spagnuolo, Spagnuolo, they have the, they have the two. I mean, Belichick was great, obviously.
And, and even like McDaniels was the Patriots. Like Like this is just very similar, right? This is the dynasty.
We saw Tom Brady and the Patriots do that for over a decade. They have the two best big game, big moment play callers, maybe of all time.
Think about that. Andy Reid is incredible.
And Spagnola, as we've known the last couple years, it's the play calling in the moments. There's a lot of great play callers out there.
There's a lot of on both sides that can get to a certain point. But then when it's crunch time, and everybody's going to talk about the blitz, and everybody's talked about that blitz on fourth down all week.
Should have threw the orbit. Yeah, we don't need to talk about the blitz.
But how many times over the years or andy reed and we like on fourth and short they don't ever tush push they get creative in their play calling and they and they they're it's always they always uh they always execute yeah and so that is play calling elite play calling in the biggest moments of the biggest games that is what mahomes is as well and that's why you can't really bet against them in this game and that's why they're all gonna go down like i i tweeted this out i think andy reed deserves to be in the conversation of the greatest of all time if he wins a fourth super bowl i mean you can compare belichick super that but but for what he's done it's it's remarkable so yeah what I don't want to lose. Like I said, Mahomes will get the lion's share of it because of the position he plays.
And also, he's unbelievable. He deserves a lot of the credit.
But, you know. Do you dislike the Chiefs because of the villain? Because people are tired.
People get tired. And I understand that.
I appreciate greatness. But I appreciate it, yeah.
I appreciate it. But also, I think that's a cool story to put up.
If the Eagles win, shout out Andrew Gundling. If the Eagles win, shout out Kevin Hart, then you really, they took down Brady, and then they took down the Holmes and the Super Bowl.
I think that adds to the Eagles franchise and their fandom. And I think'll mean even that much more every Super Bowl means a lot but if they could do that I think it's the ultimate test not that you want to see the Chiefs lose but I loved rooting against the Warriors for LeBron even though I'm not a Warriors or a Cavs fan I'm sure lots of people love rooting against the Yankees and now your Dodgers have have assumed that position, right? So I think it's good when the sport has a dominant team that everyone's just trying to get.
It's like a tale older than time, right? Like David versus Goliath. I also don't think – I look at villains, and you look at some of those teams, and I feel like a lot of teams, there was someone maybe you didn't't like maybe there was a villain that played up the personality but the warriors like dynasty it's hard to dislike steph curry steph curry was right but draymond they had draymond but but no one like people yeah and and you loved them on your team but you hated them and then as people don't like them is whatever i like I enjoy it as an an athlete but when i look at the chiefs and i you can't dislike mahomes in my opinion mahomes is a great and people can talk about him getting calls that's not him like brady got a lot of calls too but he's like he's a likable guy he's a great dude and and if anyone that knows him in the circle you say like oh he's his, he's just a normal superstar that just happens to be the best in the world at what he does.
Kelsey, who I know a little bit, and people can dislike him for other reasons and this and that. Kelsey is like the coolest dude in the planet.
He's like, he's the coolest dude in the planet. Chris Joe, all of those guys, they don't have unlikable, Andy Reid is the greatest, he's awesome.
So for me, that's why I appreciate it, and I like those guys. You can get tired.
I was rooting for Josh Allen and all these things, but at the end of the day, we need to appreciate what we're seeing because it just doesn't happen very often. Well, you teed up perfectly, too, with the Bills.
it's kind of a sneak preview maybe but for our

throwback three this week we're gonna do most tortured fan base franchise specific not just we haven't even talked about it they have to be number one very possibly we'll get into it for our throwback three uh i saw you tweeted too though you you thought that was a first down right i i certainly thought that was a first down i i don't know i why we're still at this play and i'm not saying put a chip in the ball i'm not a chipper i'm not a true like a chipper like a truther but it certainly looked like a first down in the moment i just don't know why we're still doing this left foot right foot bring out i get it like Maybe there's not a better way. Well, it's evolved.
You had chains, which they still have. And then you have the yellow line that's on the visual on the TV.
And then you have replay. And then you have – it's evolved over time.
But to still rely on the spot of two guys who had clearly two different big spots by like a half a yard. It just, I think what bothers people, it's just that moment.
That is the biggest moment. And again, that was what, 11 minutes left in the fourth quarter.
A lot happened after that. But it was huge.
That was a momentum swing. I hate, I tweeted what I tweeted because I still think it was a first down, but I hate when people look at one play or two plays that decide the whole, it's the game.
It doesn't work that way. They tush pushed a million times and didn't get it on the goal line.
They didn't get it. They had other, and that's where the difference between the play calling is the Chiefs execute those plays when other teams don't.
And that is always the difference between these playoff games. That's the difference between playoff football.
The great team will find the way, maybe a little help on the, I understand, I get the argument and it's, and, and there's, they're starting to have some stats and facts, you know, obviously backing those, but that didn't decide the game. It didn't.
Mahomes made so many plays with his legs Josh Allen he's a freak and Josh Allen did not who you that's usually the guy you would think uh you Bills missed two two-point conversions that doesn't help there was a lot of sloppy things that led to that being the way that'm just like, if we could have technology

where we could see

where Roger Federer's serve hit

to like the centimeter

going 140 miles an hour,

I just feel like the biggest sport

in our country by far

could figure something out.

That call was never going to be overturned

because it was called short on the field.

And you have to leave it. And there's too many bodies.
And there too many bodies and that's the point it wasn't it wasn't blatant but you felt like his it could have easily been reversed or it could have easily been if it would have been called the first down on the field they would have reviewed it and kept it a first down as well yeah i don't know as a as a athlete a do you – I used to feel like this with like high school sports and CYO sports. Do you just feel like there's some teams after it happens so many times? Could you have a feeling as a professional athlete in a locker room just – not even superstition, just knowing like this team, they got our fucking number.
Like we don't know. Does that happen even at that level? I've felt it on the high school level and below.
I was going to say, I felt it in like Little League Baseball, coaching Mike. You're just like- Like an error at that moment.
Of course there's an error. Maybe that best player doesn't show up or how do we get this kid out and you just you just hope and you pray but at the end of the day it's always you're always you always fall short it happened to us in a flag football game it happened to us in high school basketball you can that's where the very it's very similar in the nfl where when you you you don't never go into that game thinking that's going to happen i i guarantee You go in to think, hey, we can beat these guys.
We're gonna beat these guys. But there is something always during a game where you're just sitting there saying, it's gonna happen again.
And I feel it. It's just gonna happen again.
And Mahomes, this is the problem. And this is gonna be the problem with the Super Bowl the Super Bowl.
If the Eagles are up three with two minutes left,

or even the Chiefs are up three with two minutes left,

Mahomes is going to do something that's going to win the game or ice the game.

You do not want to be in that situation,

and that is just easier said than done because they are so great.

That's the problem.

You got to do all the horror movie stuff.

At some point, you think maybe he's going to throw a pick a pick maybe you get a sack maybe there's something that happens but we just haven't seen it yet you gotta stab him in the heart shoot him with a silver bullet chop off his head explode blow his body out you have to do all those horror movie things to defeat jason i do those characters i do want to say that the bills and baltimore for. And even I even put Cincinnati, right? Those are the three, those have, those have elite quarterbacks that you feel like if Burrow is in the playoff, you know, you feel like, Hey, they might, might, might make a run.
It'll be interesting. The chiefs, because everybody's talking about, can they chase Brady and can the homes and all this? You have to keep the team together.
You have to keep the core pieces. You have to keep the coaching together.
I don't think the Bills window, and no one's saying that. I don't think the Bills window is over because you have an elite player barely in his prime.
Josh Allen's, what, 26 years old? And Mahomes is 29, 30. He still has a lot of years left.

But the coaching staff, Kelsey might be done after this.

Chiefs are going to lose some guys.

And it's going to be, can they fill that roster?

I think I heard Julian Edelman talking about this week

because he was a part of that.

It's just going to come down to,

can you replace those guys with other free agents

that can do similar?

That is not a given.

So enjoy the dynasty while we have it.

It won't last forever.

And at some point, the Bills or even the Ravens

Thank you. agents that can do similar.
That is not a given. So enjoy the dynasty while we have it.
It won't last forever. And at some point the bills or even the Ravens are going to break through.
It's going to, it's going to happen just better when I got a little mad at you on Twitter because, well, you know, I, I throw my feelings out on Twitter and that all of you who love to respond to me when I try to make a point of something that annoys me and respond with cry more, cope harder. Listen, you're all wrong.
I think the Tush Push, and I'm sorry, I'm not calling it the brotherly shove. That's a cute name for a play.
That tells me that Eagle fans are embarrassed of the play. Tush sounds worse but that that's what i mean like we were calling it tush push eagles fans were like no no it's the brotherly shove it's like you're only doing that because you know tush push is a terrible name for that terrible play and you're trying to make it sound cooler with tush push listen i'm all for something works do it over and over find a play in Madden, I'm going to do it over and over.
Right. I get it.
I get it. But for football as a whole, to me as a fan, all right, there's a lot of other people who feel this way.
I think we ought to watch, what, between the Bills and the Eagles game, what, eight or nine brotherly shove to Tush Push pushes? It's just bad to watch. I find myself checking my phone on like fourth and inches.
I'm like, all right, they're going to just – to me, it's a boring play that has too much of an advantage when you have a 200-something-pound player pushing – all right, sure, Jalen Hurts happens to be someone who runs it better than anyone else the guy squats a billion pounds i get it i don't know how that it's good for football i'm not even saying it's like a cheat code or why don't you stop or why don't you do it i think it's a horrible play to watch i'm shocked no one's gotten hurt yet and you have freaking saquon barkley i feel like we've complained complained about the Eagles offense up until this point at times. I feel like give the ball to Saquon.
Saquon Barkley has gotten tackled on the one 12 times this year. He did not get the ball the next time.
I think Jalen Hurts was four of six on that play this past weekend. And Josh Allen was two of six.
And it decided a game in some ways. I don't mind it as far as- It's all your fault.
I'm mad at you because you and Reggie did this shit. We invented it.
We invented it. And now we're dealing with it later.
By the way, Reggie and I take full credit of inventing the bush push, tush push, brotherly shove, whatever you want to call it. We started it.
Yes. It was illegal back then, right was illegal back then right technically you know there's there's blurred lines like in everything but sure sure um and then he did that i remember reggie did that with matt stafford in detroit and and that was that was the first we i imagine we were the first like big play in a big moment where people remember right people remember the bush push he did it in detroit with stafford to win the game at some point like five or six years later i don't know the year and i remember he and i were texting about it did you see that i put it was it was awesome and then since then because it's not illegal philadelphia is just they've mastered it that was i understand maybe they just eliminate the push and you go back to if you want a QB sneak.
Yeah, I'm not saying get rid of the sneak. There's been a lot.
I think Herbert's been hurt on a QB sneak. Mahomes has been hurt.
Mahomes got rolled up on it. Matt Schaub.
I played with Matt Schaub in Houston. It was just a normal QB sneak.
He got a Liz Frank on his ankle from Albert Hainsworth, I believe it was. I think we were in Tampa, so I think it was Hainsworth.
Probably one of the biggest liz frank on his ankle uh from albert hainsworth i believe it was i think we were in tampa so i think probably the biggest fell on his ankle alignment of all time fractured

his ankle so that's that's why you don't see the chiefs do it and that's why the coaching i i here

was my problem is when you watch that game and you watch eagles eagles have a plan eagles are

dominant they get it i bet 95 percent of the time maybe higher maybe it's 100 success rate oh i guess it wasn't four or six yeah whether you have shake on barkley or not they they have they have dominant interior alignment and they have a quarterback they just they have just executed perfectly the bills they just kind of said hey josh go get us a first there's not really like when he jumped over and did that right which that place scares me it scared me and he's so elite and but that was the difference between the bills and the chiefs in that game was the coaching in those moments where it felt a little lazy from the bills it's like yeah just josh go rely on superman also you got james cook who's getting anything he wanted for most of the game james cook was running all over some type of creative play where if you have josh allen in the open field at six five 250 who could run bull you over with an option to run pass or a james cook out there i just feel like that's a better play for them than every time lining up and trying to get a one yard. When the Chiefs knew exactly and they knew, hey, we know he likes to go to his left or whatever, and they shoved it.
I don't have a problem. I don't know if you ban it.
I think you tweak. Maybe you just don't get pushed from behind anymore.
Yeah, I don't think ban, I'm not saying ban QB sneak. It is.
I'm really not. I'm saying ban the 200-pound super athletic player just right up behind him just pushing him.
Listen, everybody can do it. They just can't.
That's the thing. It's not a competitive advantage.
They're just better at it than everybody else. To everyone online who is telling me to cry harder or cope harder.
Guys, I won money, a good amount of money, a mortgage payment on the Eagles. Okay.
So I'm not hating on the Eagles. This isn't, I, and also I've realized something, the giants are so bad.
How can I hate on the Eagles or the commanders of the count? Like we're nowhere near the Eagles and commanders right now. So what does hating on those teams do for me? Absolutely nothing.
So I'll bet on them. I don't know.
That was just, I just think you could get rid of it. I think it could still be very effective, but.
I think you can get rid of it. I think you can tweak the rule.
I think they will because there's so much backlash. And especially if we see, we're going to see it eight times in the Super Bowl.
Something is going to have, mark my words. Something with the tush push.
I'm not calling brotherly shove, you animals. Something is going to happen.
It sounds worse when you, a grown man, calling it a tush push. Good.
I want them to feel uncomfortable. I want everyone to hate it.
We're going to take a quick break and come back with Austin Reeves right before we do. I said it last week.
NFL needs a lottery would there be a look at this weekend what a perfect weekend imagine if you roll out we're going to give out the awards here's the mvp here's rookie of the year is the pro bowl this weekend who got exactly i don't know do you i think the pro bowl games of this weekend could care less yeah let's roll out we're going to do the nfl lottery and we going to give out some awards. Everyone would watch that weekend.
It'd be something so good to talk about instead of these two teams for the next 12 days. There we go.
Catch it to Goodell, buddy. Yeah, he won't return my calls.
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All right, I'm pretty excited because obviously I'm a huge basketball nerd. We have our first, not only like just any basketball player, but an LA Laker, which is probably making Matt very happy.in reeves thank you for joining us yes thanks for coming on man come on now you can tell me you're a big laker go ahead well no no i would say we did we did it we had charles we had charles barkley on very early in the show which is don't count he's not active but barley but barley doesn't count because i got my i got my lakers on now but i'm born and raised i know you're a big kobe fan i grew up in orange county but i've been a diehard laker fan since uh the Showtime Lakers on now.
I'm born and raised. I know you're a big Kobe fan.
I grew up in Orange County, but I've been a diehard Laker fan since the Showtime Lakers. I actually, JJ's a buddy of mine.
Me and JJ go way back. We came out the same year of college.
So when he came out of Duke the same year I came out of USC, he had some great JJ stories, but I will not say it on the pod. But you ask him.
I don't blame you him you ask him tomorrow when you see him uh i heard you i heard you had a couple nights out with liner back in the day i definitely will i'm telling you it'll be hilarious how old would he give some oh dude he'll he'll he'll he'll turn red he'll be like dude no we're not talking about that so but thanks for coming on man how's it going no doubt appreciate y'all for having me everything's good um like i said i got a got a little round in after practice today so life life can't be any better i'm gonna ask a pretty random question off the gate because i'm a pretty big golf fan myself right do you get in season to play on the road and if you do how are you transporting the sticks does that fall into the equipment manager's purview like where are your clubs because the clubs are like the that's the most important thing while traveling yeah for sure uh i just take them to the the plane they put them under the plane and they they take them to so when we get to the hotel they give us like a ballroom for the food and stuff. They just take them in there, and if I want to go, I go get them and put them back, and they'll put them back under the plane.
So our equipment people make it very, very easy for me to play a little bit. You're the only one? I was going to say, who do you golf with on the road on the team? Well, JJ – a stick.
Yeah. He's not the bug right now.

But before D'Lo got traded,

he was the one I played with most.

We played, I mean,

probably over 100 rounds together

in the last year or so.

Jeez.

L.A.'s got some amazing golf.

You know, when I was,

I wasn't doing like tons of research

because I know a lot about your career,

but when I was like looking you up and stuff like that, I'm like, Newark, for a minute there, I'm like, wait a minute, he's from Jersey. I'm like, oh no, that's Newark, Arkansas.
So, you know, you go from there to LA. I'm sure the golf course has probably helped transition you as golf everywhere.
But what is that like going from where you grew up? And the next thing you know, you're playing for your favorite team in LA. That that just must have been surreal yeah it was crazy um the night of the draft when we got the call and what they were like we'll take you on a two-way uh you know it was almost a no-brainer for me uh you know because you said uh I was a huge Kobe fan so therefore I was a Laker fan and you know just having the opportunity to know, play for the team I grew up watching the most, you know, was special.
And like you said, obviously, the golf year-round definitely helped the transition. There's a lot of things that I love about L.A.
There's a couple things I don't. One, being traffic.
Traffic is horrible. But, like I said, when I'm able to golf year-round, you can't beat that.
But my transition's been very easy. I don't do much.
I play a lot of golf, play video games, and I don't really go out much. So there isn't much difference.
Made about three places, my house, the gym, or golf course, and that's it. When you got to LA, obviously, it's a big difference from where you grew up.
Was there, outside of traffic, because I think everybody kind of understands that when you get there, like, shit, man, this traffic is no joke. You live 15 minutes, 20 minutes from the arena.
It takes you an hour. Was there anything that shocked you when you made the move out to L.A.
or surprised you about the city? Honestly, what surprised me the most is how much I enjoyed it or how much I really liked it. I'd never been to L.A.
before, literally the day after the draft when I came out here. I didn't know what to think when I was on the plane ride here.
I mean, if you'd asked me 10 days before that, like if I wanted to be in L.A., I probably would have been like, I don't know. Like I've heard a lot of not so good things about L.A., but ever since I've been here, you know, especially with the basketball side of it, you know, the fans have welcomed me with open arms and treated me, you know, really good since day one.
So like I said, my transition was really good and, you know, it kind of surprised me how much I enjoyed it. Did you have your, your welcome to the NBA moment? Matt has a great like welcome to the NFL moment.
I'm not an athlete. There's for acting, there's no real like welcome to, you know, Maybe it's a welcome to Hollywood.
You go to the nfl moment i'm not an athlete there's for acting there's no real like welcome to you know maybe there's a welcome to hollywood you go to the wrong party but there's no welcome to acting did you have uh like holy i'm i'm in the nba right now like this is happening but i think the i was actually telling the story a couple days ago uh there's only been one time in my whole life of playing basketball where I was like, I don't know if I belong. I don't know if I stripped you on the court.
Imposter syndrome for a second. The crazy thing was I wasn't even on the court.
I was on the sideline, so it was my rookie year in training camp. LeBron came and like snaked the ball screen or something and shot like a hook shot over DeAndre Jordan from like the elbow.
And they banked in and I was just sitting there like, I don't know if I belong to, like, that's not in your bag? You don't got that in your bag? But you got a filthy bag, dude. You got a nice bag.
I don't got that, though. That was the one time I was like, but then I quickly realized that that was LeBron, and not many people can do what he did.
So that was, but that was the one time I was like, what the, like, I couldn't believe it because he shot it over a 7'2 guy. The touch was insane.
He was going full speed. By the time the ball went in the goal, he was in the deep corner.
So I was like, wow, I don't know if I belong here. I was telling Jerry, my rookie year, I played Monday Night Football against the Bears.
You're obviously a lot younger, but it was 2006, And I was looking across, it was Brian Urlacher was a middle linebacker. And that was the year they ended up going to the Super Bowl.
And I just, it was like, I'm walking up and like, you know, I mean, when you play as an athlete, you're in a zone, you don't really think about much other than like for me to play and all this. But I'm like, I looked and I kind of made eye contact with him and I'm like, oh, and Brian Urlacher's like almost 6'5.
Like he's a big, and he, by the way, he's an absolute stick on the golf course as well. And I was like, holy shit, like this Monday night football.
And I made it. And then the following year is my second year.
We went up to Baltimore and played Ray Lewis and Ed Reed when they were rolling in that era. That was the first time I was on the field where I was actually like, like, I hope't get hit by somebody in this game.
It was never really thought of, but that was it. You said, I mean, is there someone? I'm a basketball nerd too.
I love basketball. And is there someone you're running on the court? Kyrie had a play like not too long ago where he kind of like crossover, like the ball went off his forehead.
I think he had a little lefty floater. And I think they panned to Anthony Edwards and he was just like, holy shit.
Is there like someone on the court where you're always just like, I can't believe that dude can do that with the basketball? Yeah, I mean, I think there's a couple. I think the way I think the way Steph shoots the ball is, you know,

obviously he's the greatest shooter ever.

But Christmas Day, he made a shot in the right corner.

I think we were up probably like five at the time or something.

And he made a shot in the right corner over LeBron,

where it didn't even look like he didn't really have the ball

in the right shot pocket.

He didn't have his hands right. And so I was on the opposite block boxing out when he shot it and i'm looking at it like kind of through the goal and the whole time it didn't look like it didn't look good coming off his hand it didn't look like it was gonna go in when it like when it got closer to the rim and gets to the rim and like hits the the front of the rim and kind of just rolls in and we all like in that moment i think there was a time out afterwards we all were like what the like that's not real like real people don't do that like he's a he's a different breed so um kyrie's another one i mean and then like kd is you know his length yeah it's the way he can travel, shoot.
Like there's a handful, probably five to ten guys in the league that are, you know, on that different level. Just different, right? Just a different level.
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like Durant's one of those players.
I always think like it's so fun when players come from college and they go into the draft and they grow from six, seven. Oh, he's actually six, nine.
And Durant, at least in the media,

was always one of those dudes like, he's six, nine, he's six, 10.

I'm like, how tall is this dude?

Like really?

By the end of the seven feet,

I went to Cavs Suns a couple of days ago.

And I'm like, I feel like if you cut Jared Allen's hair a little bit,

he's like Jared Allen's size.

I mean, I guess he is.

You don't realize it.

How many times have people mentioned to you, you know, you got memed.

You have that famous you and LeBron.

Yeah.

I don't know how often that's come up in your career with your boys or whatever.

I have a few theories of what you guys are talking about.

You don't have to say, but your reaction was like one of two things.

It's either like I have no idea what you just said or you're like, I can't do that.

So. I actually make that face quite a bit right but he's did so much and you did so little so me and my brother actually do that a lot um that's amazing it just happened that the camera caught me in that moment as he was doing that so i'll give you all the little story.
So we're in Brooklyn. I'm playing the Nets.
And I think we're up probably like 15, 16. And it's like two minutes left.
So this is my rookie year. Frank calls a timeout.
So they call a timeout. We're running an ATO.
And he's drawing up a play on the board.'re winning by like 17 two minutes left like game's over so me being a good rookie i was at the time like i was locked into the play yeah don't know if everybody else was um so i was like a big i asked a lot of questions especially like my rookie year because i didn't want to be the guy that messed up so i was always like you know i'm doing this or i'm doing this right so i asked frank going out i was like i'm doing this and he was like yeah so i don't know if there was like a little dead period of time where there was still some time like uh coming off the clock before we could inbound it so i just asked brown again i. I was like, I'm doing this right.
I'm pretty sure he got mine and Russ's spot mixed up because I wasn't supposed to do anything with the play, which makes sense because my rookie year, I never did anything to the plays. I just stood in the corner and played defense.
So I think he had me and Russ's spot. So he was sitting there like doing all this.
Giving you that looked like a lot of Russ stuff that he was doing with his hands. I was just like, I don't know what you're talking about.
So they just caught me at the right time. And I didn't even know, like in the moment, I didn't even know anything about it.
And then I got to my locker and my phone just wouldn't stop. Like my uncle just talking.
And I'm like, what? Like I'm trying to shut it off. And I look up and I was like, oh, shit.
They got me. They got me.
That's like the worst thing to be a meme for sure. So we had some fun with it.
Jerry, you should tell Austin about your celebrity basketball appearances. Stop.
You said you're not an athlete. Stop.
I'm not an athlete. You got a stroke.
Austin does not want to hear that. He doesn't want to hear any of my celebrity all-star game performances.
No, I love to play. I'm the dude who shows up at the charity game, and I'm actually pretending like I'm in the NBA and playing hard.
I'm slapping the play. I go Russ.
I go like Russ Westbrook. I go Russ.
The funny thing is he actually does. There's video of him getting the crowd hyped, talking shit to the guy.
I'm like, what are you doing, dude? Hey, it's never going to happen for me. This is the closest I'm going to get.
I still play a decent amount of pickup. I tell you what, though, too.
I'm obsessed with shoes, obviously, for style, but shoes on the court. I got to say, dude, I'm'm about to purchase i'm about to purchase some of yours well first question number one uh i love the look but are you a part of the name process because the names are amazing the names are dope of every shoe are you how much are you a part of that or is that someone behind the scenes uh because the names are great when you look at the shoe you're like oh i, oh, I see that.
I get that, especially the Valentine's Day one coming. So I'm not creative enough to boil it down to a set.
So my agent, Reggie Berry, we actually are picking shoe names right now, which is funny. He'll send me a list of five to seven or five to three uh names and he's like this is what i think is you know fits you know the line the storyline whatever and i have to pick from the the five to seven or whatever they are so like i said i won't take credit for that because if you was just be like hey name this shoe this shoe, I would just be like, I don't know.

So I pulled up, you got like Year of the Dragon.

That's my favorite. Family Ties.

So you aware of these names or he just

sends you the names and you just like the way

they sound? And I love it.

It's affordable. These shoes are fire, dude.

They're dope. They got great

performance reviews, too. You got

great performance reviews. They've You got great performance reviews.

No, they've been, you know, ever since we signed with them with rigor, they've been nothing but great. You know, anything I need at any time.
And then they've, you know, let us be hands-on with basically any process that we wanted to, like with the, you know, naming of the shoes, color waves. but yeah

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Can I pitch you something? Because I do love the hillbilly bogey shoe. Right.
It's green. It's got some golf.
It's got the bullseye. And we talked about golf.
Could we put some spikes on that bad boy and take it out to the course? They actually sent me – you know, the crazy part. They sent me some spikes that you can put into them.
Right. And so I wore them really bullshitting one day when I went to golf.
Tell me you went low. I caught my best round ever.
Of course. Not an ad right there.
This is true.

I shot a 67 in my basketball shoes.

No bogeys, five birdies.

And it was incredible.

So it was the hillbilly, no bogeys.

Exactly.

What was it like when,

I can only imagine

having your own signature shoe

is kind of like, dude, I made it. What was it like when you found out that that was all coming together for you ah like you said it was just special um you know i like i said was huge kobe fan so i grew up wearing kobe's all the kobe's um and then you know just having that opportunity to have my own shoe, have the input on, you know, what, you know, even the price and how we can get affordable for everybody was really special.
And, you know, just trying to build that, grow that. But like I said, when that that opportunity, you know, presented itself, it was it was a no brainer and something that, you know, we wanted to, you know, have fun with and be creative with.
We mentioned Hillbilly Bogey because obviously you got, you know, a great TikTok account, your YouTube channel. I've watched a lot of your stuff because I consume YouTube golf and golf content probably just as much as basketball these days.
I want way more YouTube golf than I think anything else. Yeah.
I, it's just so addicting. It's the best on the plane.
You're on way more planes than me. I'm sure you're probably downloading and watching.
But now we're going to go current active players, not retired players. Who are you going to get on the channel? Who are you calling out? Is there somebody that you either want or could give you a good round? You said you're low 67.
I'm sure most NBA players haven't put the time in to get to that level. Who do you want on the channel for a match? I think the one is Steph.
Yeah. That's where I was going to hope you were going to go.
Yes. Yeah, I mean, I just know he's a good player.
I'd watch that. I wish that was dropping tomorrow.

I'd watch that.

That's really it.

I mean, I think that that's the – there's a couple other guys.

I think is Chris Paul good?

I think Chris Paul can play right.

I actually asked him the other day when we played San Antonio.

He said he hasn't been able to play much this year.

But Corey Kisper's good.

Doug McDermott's good.

Kyle Lowry.

I heard Kyle Lowry's really good, which he – I say this with all due respect, he's my least favorite player in the NBA because he just destroys your Knicks. Yeah, he just kills.
I'm a Knicks fan, but also he just does all the things that you scream at the, he makes you scream at your television, which is only because he's a great player. So then when I hear he's good at golf too, I'm like, oh.

Awesome.

Have you ever watched a game with a – like a sporting –

like a football game or something or a basketball game

with an avid fan of their team?

Have you ever – like I watched the game with Jerry.

How was that experience for you?

Because I can tell you how my experience was with Jerry.

It's chaos.'s chaos literally chaos isn't it so funny because i don't know i don't know if it's like being an athlete's weird right it's like why do you care so much i don't it's just so funny to be he was like we were at we were actually we were doing something for the podcast this summer in new york and it was or was it the summer no it spring. It was Knicks Pacers, second round.
The game OG Ananobi pulled his hamstring, I remember. Playoff game.
We're doing some upfronts for the show, and we're at this little bar. Honestly, I'm like a kicker.
I'm like, I can't wait. By the way, we had courtside Knicks seats that night that he chose not to go to.
Because I would have missed the entire second quarter. But watching him watch his team play, honestly, dude, it was pure comedy.
I was like, why do you get like that? Like, I didn't understand it. And he doesn't understand my point of view.
For sure. No, it's definitely funny.
It's chaos. Yeah.
Listen, I imagine if, you know,

I'm trying to put it in my terms, like if, alright, we're gonna

shoot this movie or this

show, but you guys probably wouldn't even care about that.

You guys have seen all the pressure. There's

nothing I could say to shake you or

make you care more, so I can't even put it into

acting terms or something

to make you guys relate.

But we care a lot, man.

It's a good thing.

Y'all are the reason we do it.

The fans are great.

How do you like the Intuit Dome?

It was cool.

It was pretty cool, which, I mean, we do self-focus on the game and stuff

that you don't really get to see all the stuff that's in the arena. You don't get to go walk around where the concession stands and all that stuff is but um you know i think the the wall that they do is a good idea it kind of brings back that like college atmosphere uh vibe so uh i thought you know i thought it was a um a really really cool arena yeah i, I went to a game there a couple weeks ago randomly.
I'm a Laker fan, but I thought for me, just like an in-game experience as a casual fan, it was pretty awesome. Like it was cool.
Like you get kind of with the laser shows and just the wall and like everything was state-of-the-art. Is there, we there, we got, you know, obviously there's some NFL fan base.
I always thought like this going up to Seattle was tough. Playing up in Philly is really tough.
Nasty too. What's the, let's say worst, like worst fan base or like place you really like, shit, man.
Like I just hate playing there. Is it the garden or Boston? Boston is it New York is there a place that sticks out I mean I think I mean Boston and New York but I think it's not I think that the fan bases are like they're so passionate and like really know basketball to where it's like it's like cool like you have some fan bases that are just chaotic that don't know the game.
But those, you know, fan bases, you know, know the game, enjoy good basketball. And, you know, anytime you go, you know, Lakers, Boston, Staples slash crypto, whatever you want to call it, is going to be going crazy.
So I would say those two. And also Memphis.
Memphis gets hectic. Grindhouse, yeah.
I mean, and it's also Memphis is an hour 30 from where I grew up. So anytime we go there, I probably know over 75 people there.
So it's cool to play there. I feel like they talk the most shit too.
They talk a lot. God, I don't know.
Maybe it's always the games I end up watching, but I feel like they just talk the most. I feel like every team talks shit though, right? I guess some are worse than others.
I think it was when they had, was it Dylan Brooks? I think when he was on their team or whatever, right? Well, yeah. Just like, dude.
love it but I'm just like I feel like they're just always they're competitors they play hard always yeah no they're a good team for sure so are you gonna be our first two sport athlete since Dion because you're gonna go pro and golf at some point right it's happening at least go in the creator classic you would have won that thing easily I'm definitely gonna try i've always said it i've said it since college that you know uh when bad the basketball does stop bouncing uh i want to take a year and a half two years and give everything i got to to golf um because i've never i've never had a lesson wow i never i never practiced uh i started playing when i was 16 so you haven't been playing that long in your drive i mean i know eight eight years 25 that's not that long for golf man to be shooting 67s i think you know golf is fucking hard for anybody but a lot of the things that I've talked to guys that play, you know, are trying to compete in golf, a lot of the things that they talk about that is really hard for them kind of like come natural to me. I have very good hand-eye coordination, you know, chipping, putting.
Putting not as much, but just getting up and down from bad spots is probably something I'm pretty good at because when I started playing golf, I wasn't good at golf. You were in those bad spots a lot.
I was always in bad spots. I definitely want to give it a go.
I got faith. If I'm a betting man, I'm putting money at.
Romo tried to do it, right? While he was still playing, I think. He was the one current athlete, and I think he missed just by a couple of shots.
I think he missed. He went to one of the major qualifiers, and I think he made double on 18 to miss it by one or something.
Yeah. That's got to be like my – I really like golf.
I just don't play. I don't – I really like it.
I got a nice set of clubs. Lefty too, right? Lefty.
No, I'm a righty. I'm a righty.
Oh, that's right. You're like the lefty sometimes.
I golf righty. Right, right.
But like my biggest fear, I'm telling you, man, like just thinking about it, is like hitting in front of a gallery. It's like my biggest fear.
No, it's real. Right? I played in a YouTube tournament, and there was probably 3,000, 4,000 people there.
And I was playing with Garrett Clark, which is probably one of the biggest YouTube golfers. so he was my partner so our little gallery we had was was pretty big and we go to the first tee and i'm sitting there like why am i so nervous like my hands shaking like so i had already planned it out like thought it out so i i didn't care who they told the t off first i was going to t off first because i went and put my ball up before anybody was paying attention.
So I had already planned it out, like thought it out. So I didn't care who they told to tee off first.
I was going to tee off first because I went and put my ball up before anybody was paying attention. So I teed it up because I knew I was going to be sitting there shaking, trying to put it on the tee.
And they lined down the tee box. And I'm just sitting there looking like, y'all don't understand.
Like, I'm not a professional golfer. Like, this this is not i'm nervous as shit right now

and turned out that that was my best swing all day in a fairway uh but it's definitely it's different for sure people don't understand like you're right there like if i was up in a gallery i'm i swear to god i'm taking somebody out like i'm taking somebody out not on purpose Garrett Clark did.

He blasted the dude in the arm.

Dude.

So you're saying that you can relate to a fan that gets excited about watching athletes do great things that they can't necessarily do. So you, I mean, cause you, you guys played in front of thousands.
If you total all up, you're probably damn near a million people that you've played in front of live, right? Yeah.

And you're nervous about that.

So what I'm saying is chalk one up for the fans who start crying when OG Ananobi pulls his hamstring like me.

You guys care.

I won't lie to you all.

I'm a fan of Jordan Speed.

So anything that you've done watching the Knicks,

I've probably yelled missing a putt or something. I'm a fan, so I get it.
Yeah. Well, we talked about the shoes, which I'm purchasing, but Matt's rubbing it in my face because when we're having you on, we're excited to talk about Recover 180, and Matt's like, oh, I have some.
I'm like, wait a minute. Dude, I got a bunch.
By the way I was like, oh shit, I drink this shit all. It's great.
I freaking love this stuff. It's amazing.
It's amazing. Tell us about it.
What are you doing with them? Yeah, I mean, Lance come to us. This has probably been two years ago now with the idea of partnering together and just trying to build something special.
And so at first we were like, cool. Like I had never heard of it.
So we were like, just send us some stuff and, you know, we'll see where it goes from there. And then we just, you know, continue to stay in touch.
And obviously the drinks are really good. Yeah.
Organic. So it was just something that, you know, like I said,

I wanted to try to grow with a bunch of good people.

And it's been nothing but great.

I drank them after games before games.

Does it fit in the golf cart cup holder?

It definitely does.

That's my big pet peeve.

When it don't fit in the golf cart cup holder, it's over.

It's cooler the cup holder.

You can have them wherever.

Awesome. Thank you so much.
Good luck with the rest of the season. We're going to let you go.
Yeah. And keep, keep swinging.
I know you're busy with basketball, but let's not forget about the little white ball that we like to knock. Well, we should get around in when Jerry, Jerry comes out this way.
For sure. I'll let me know.
Yeah. All right.
appreciate you man no doubt all right it's time now for dynamic duos presented by wendy's two faves for just seven bucks gotta be wendy's terms apply so each week matt and i with throwbacks we kind of want to pick a duo it could be quarterback wide receiver anything receiver, anything in, you know, movies, TV. We're going TV this week.
We're going the best duo, mom and dad, television parents. And this could be whatever it means to you.
You'd want them to be your parents. They were funny, whatever your criteria is.
Quick honorable mentions, like the bad parents. I like, I don't know if you'd want, I just rewatched Breaking Bad.
Don't know if you want Walter and Skylar White as your parents. That's a rough watch.
I'm assuming you went, and I have no idea. I'm assuming you went more.
Wholesome? Television show. I did go television show.
Breaking Bad show. I went sitcom.
Oh no, I went sitcom too. So this is, this is going to be good.
Do you want to go first? You want me to go? I'll go first. So the greatest night as a childhood watching television was what? TGIF? TGIF.
Heck yeah. Thank goodness or thank God, whatever you said, thank God it's Friday.
And you had the run of Family Matters. You had the run of Step by Step.
You had the run of Full House.

You had all those shows.

I could sing all those songs.

I'm going, and this is, it's a little different.

It's not a mother and father.

It's actually three guys.

And it's Full House.

Okay.

And it's Danny Tanner, played by the late Bob Saget.

Incredible, obviously funny, great in that, great career. Uncle Jesse and Uncle Joey.
Uncle Jesse, John Stamos, Uncle Joey, Gladstone, obviously. Cut it out.
Dave Coulier. And I'm just saying, there's a lot of reasons why.
Comedy, the show was one of my favorite shows. I had a massive crush on Jody sweeten who played stephanie tanner um it was the olsen twins breakout they were babies on that candace cameron who i probably had a crush on too later in life uh i mean aunt becky who didn't have a crush on that becky laurie laughlin a little trouble a little trouble back in the day not too long ago but still like every if you say aunt beck everybody's like, Oh, we love Aunt Becky.
So I'm going with my favorite TV parents, the trio of dads. Danny Tanner's a widow.
He loses his wife in the, in the show and they come in and they take care of the three daughters. Shout out to the three dads.
So a couple of things there. I love that.
Uh, number as a child of a single parent, my dad passed away when I was five. So when Full House comes along, I used to, not that it made me emotional, but I would be like, oh, it would be really cool if one of my uncles moved in.
To me, that was the perfect family, right? One parent, but then all this other family help number two also

i think candace cameron married pavel burey hockey yeah we got a little sports connection and i got to know bob saget really well did you use because of his cameos on entourage which a lot of people put bob saget's cameos on entourage up there for their all-time favorite entourage cameos i mean I have one of the famous lines

that I have a lot

like Tom Brady sucks balls is probably one of the lines that gets said to me most. But second or third is, did you just get cock-blocked by Bob Saget? That comes up all the time.
He was the sweetest guy. And what made him so dynamic was his stand-up was so much different than that character.
He was a little irreverent. And just every time I ran into him, it was an occasion.
So that one meant a lot to me. That's a great one.
I did not pick that one because I went with just one that – I went with the first thing that popped in my head. When I thought of television parents, the first couple that popped into my head was Phil and Vivian Banks.
Oh, absolutely. That was my honorable mention.
You know, they took in their troubled nephew from Philly who got into a little trouble. Phil, Uncle Phil was a judge.
So look, he had some juice. He could get you out of some situations if you needed it.
And they just, him throwing jazz out every episode, it just was, to me, the perfect parent balance for a television show. They were fun, they were funny, scary.
Remember the final show when Will Smith stands in the empty house? Alone in the house. That's one of the biggest memes on Twitter.

By the way, I cried.

I haven't cried in a lot of ending of shows,

and I don't know how old I was,

but I could pull that up on YouTube,

watch that clip, and start to get teary-eyed.

That was one of the greatest runs.

Obviously, Will Smith, just an iconic character,

DJ Jazzy Jeff, and then Uncle Phil and Viv. God, what's his sister's name? Well, it's Ashley, young Ashley.
Well, young Ashley. And then, no, but older.
What's her name? Hillary. Hillary.
Hillary. Hillary.
Hillary. Can't forget Hillary.
I mean, yeah. That was on my own.
I had a cut. That one's great, man.
Mike and Carol Brady. Freddie Brunch.
Sure. I mean, I had Al and Peggy Bundy up there, too.
Different honorable mention there. Yeah.
I mean, I think they're iconic. Also, fun little fact about the actor who played Uncle Phil.
He was also, I'm a Ninja Turtles kid, like the cartoon. He was the voice of Shredder in the Ninja Turtles cartoon.
Was he? I didn't know that. Yes, Turtles.
He was the voice of Shredder the ninja turtles was he i didn't know that oh yes turtles he was the voice of shredder so shout out to uncle phil and aunt viv uh and thank you to wendy's that's our dynamic duo and that leads us right perfectly into our throwback three it's kind of a feel bad for this one honestly i know because we're just gonna be ripping on fan bases this week our throwback three is the top three most tortured fan bases in any sport doesn't have to be football but it's any sport so uh i've had some time to think and there's a lot there's a lot that didn't make that you can go this in many directions with torture i'm excited i think you can go in a lot of different directions but i'm excited to get what people think too because normally with these we can send out and there's a lot of debate and all that, but I think we'll get a lot of different directions, but I'm excited to get what people think too, because normally with these, we can send out and there's a lot of debate and all that, but I'm, I think we'll get a lot of these fans and these fan bases giving us all the reasons why they're tortured and they hate their sports teams, but they love them at the same time. And while they're never going to win.
So you got it, man. You want to fire away? Yeah.
And honestly, I had, I'm pretty clear on my number two and number one. Number three was the toughest.
And for me, it was between the Jets and the Lions. I went with the Lions because they're just better right now.
And that was a really tough loss. You can make the argument that the Jets really have the name of the Super Bowl and a little Vinny Testaverde run.
And then the two Mark Sanchez AFC Championship appearances is really the only thing they've had in franchise history. And that franchise, those fans are starved.
But with the Lions, I just think it's different. You know, from the Thanksgiving games, the run of no playoff appearances, even with Stafford,

to me, number three is the Detroit Lions.

And I think the fan base,

one of the fan bases I'm rooting the most for success

because I like a lot of Detroit people.

So not Detroit based,

but just the Lions fans in particular.

Lions specific.

Yeah.

I mean, they were,

you know, they're one of the oldest franchises.

That's the other thing.

They've been around longer.

They've never made it to a Super Bowl. So it's almost, it'll be almost a hundred years.
And boy, do they want it. I put Cincinnati as three.
And I went more, more sport in general, just kind of like overall, when you think of Cincinnati, the last championship was in 90 and that was a Cincinnati. The Reds.
That's one of my favorite baseball teams of all time bangles oh and three in the super bowl they've only been three times they've never won and we look at the bangles you look at now they have i always base it around you have joe burrow you have one of the best what are you going to do with joe burrow but now you play in an era where you have to defeat patrick mahomes and josh allen and lamar jackson a really tough time. I mean, that Ram Super Bowl was their moment.
They should. They really.
Aaron Donald finishes it off, and that was a chance they had. You go back to some of Carson Palmer, who a good friend I played with, he was number one pick, great there.
Pete Rose, rest in peace, banned from baseball, but was like one of the most iconic. I'm just saying like you go back and you're like, man.
Achilles Smith, remember Achilles Smith? Achilles Smith's son is a baller. I'm sure.
Yeah, I think he committed to Oregon. So he and Cole know each other.
They're around the same age. But yeah, just Cincinnati.
I think when you look at it, you just, you're like, eh, the Reds haven't been good in a long time. The Bengals are kind of there, but notoriously been sort of a, just kind of a cheap, I wouldn't say shitty organization, but just, you know, they have the pieces now.
They have some of the pieces. What are they going to do with them? Obviously you go, yeah, I go Cincinnati.
It's a cool town though it's a cool town cool town but also it's like good sports town too they just it was really tough this year not to make the playoffs with that team with that offense specifically that is a playoff don't don't don't lose to new england yeah i agree i agree that's i mean like you don't want to waste i just get to the point of you don't want to, not you're wasting, you don't want to miss out on too many healthy Joe Burrow years. You only have so much time.
You think these guys are going to play for 15. Right.
Maybe they do. Or you think you're going to be able to keep Jamar and T.
It just doesn't work that way. It's very hard to do that.
T. Higgins is tossed around in every trade rumor, free agency signing.
T. Higgins is a beast.
They should try and keep him. That's what I want for the Giants.
And again, you're just banking on being healthy every year. Exactly.
Well, my number two, I would be remiss not to call myself out. I have to here.
And it just is the way it is. But I'm putting the New York Knicks-specific fans on there,

and I'll make the case for you, Matt.

Some success in the 70s, two championships.

No one under the age of 60 really remembers any of that.

We had the 90s run.

Michael Jordan broke our heart every single time.

We talked about the Mahomes thing.

That was the same thing with the Knicks. Knicks were up 2-0 in 94 and blew a 2-0 lead with home court advantage.
You think they're dead and they're just not. And then obviously nothing really good has happened from then on.
One finals appearance run in a half a season. But just look at from 2000 till now, which is now a 25 year run.
There's like four playoff appearances in those 20 years. So I think most Nick fans will agree with me.
And now, yes, things are good. Things are good.
A lot of fun. Vibes are high right now.
We've suffered to get to this point. And that's why I feel like it's okay.
I don't know if you... I wouldn't say you're tortured.
Really? Cincinnati's never... I mean, some of these teams have never...
I mean, Detroit Lions have never won a championship in 100 years. The Knicks won a championship in 1972.
Yeah. But you still...
I mean, you guys... What did you guys get? Like, you guys have a star team this year.
The Bengals have a star team this year. They didn't make the playoffs.
You guys made the playoffs last year, and you guys are rocking right now. Listen, right now the vibes are high.
But I wouldn't say the Knicks. I wouldn't be like the Knicks are.
Matt, imagine being the worst. Well, knowing what type of fans you guys have, knowing you, I could understand why you guys are.
Well, here's what I'm saying. This is the kind of torture we had to endure.
Imagine being the bottom three in the NBA for like four straight years and not having a first-round draft pick. Think about it like that.
There was a run there where the Knicks were bottom three for years in a row with no first-round pick. And then we picked Kristaps Porzingis, and then now he's winning championships for the celtics so that's my number two i know nick fans and charles oakley can't even sit in your arena come on that i refuse to discuss i will not because i love oakley i will not discuss my number two i i'm gonna assume this might be your number one i'm going minnesota no not my number one my in the honorable mention we might have the same number one we might for sure minnesota when you look at all of the sport i think i would say great sports i mean great sports town they got the t wolves it's a great sports town yeah i've been there minnesota vikings they got a ring with twins um you have all four major posts uh minnesota.
Yep. A couple factoids here.
The last championship came in 91. Do you know which team won that? Obviously it wasn't the team.
91 was the twins. Yeah, Minnesota Twins.
Yeah, Kirby Puckett, baby. Favorite player.
My brother's favorite player growing up all time, Kirby Puckett. Mine was Ken Griffey and Vince Coleman.
Random, I know. Vikings never won a Super Bowl.
They've been four times. I love doing fucking research when we do this shit.
Well, because you realize how bad. You realize how bad or how great they are.
I put some notable heartbreaks in there. See if you remember some of these.
Missed kicks by Gary Anderson and Blair Walsh. Yep.
F yep far's interception in 2009 the failed herschel walker trade do you remember that do i mean so yes okay it led to emmett smith right and led to emmett smith darren woodson and russell maryland so in 89 the vikings traded for herschel, who was, I mean, was a beast, right?

I mean, still a beast, but didn't pan out.

But in return, the Cowboys essentially got all those draft picks and they drafted those three players.

The Cowboys went on to win, obviously, three Super Bowls in the 90s.

And the Vikings did.

So like, you look back and you're like,

So you're doing the whole city of Minnesota.

Yeah, I'm just doing it as a sports town. Yeah.
Vikings. I, and then this year with Sam Darnold and all that.
And then you know how I feel about Sam, but just the year they had, and they've been, they've been, they're a very good team playoffs. A lot of times, even the cousins, but just, you just, they can't get over the hump.
So say Minnesota, I don't how, I would say this. I don't know, like New York fans are, like Philly fans love their sports, right? They probably hate them, but they love them.
They're always showing up. I don't know if Minnesota has like, they might hate me for saying this, like truly great appreciative fans.
I'm sure the Vikings, you know what I mean? Like do the T-Wolves- I think they do. I mean, the few I know.
I know Josh Dumas. I know Nick Swartzen.
Do they have deep, deep rooted Vikings fans? I think Vikings for sure. Vikings for sure.
You know. The Twins have had, you know, they've been a lot of first-round exits.
I mean, they can't even fill up their stadium anymore.

They were a lot of first-round exits to the Yankees in, you know, the early 2000s.

I take that back.

I mean, I'm sure there's true good fans there, but they just, I mean, they haven't celebrated a championship since the Twins.

And I don't even think people will go watch the Twins anymore in Minnesota.

I'm with you, man.

Wow.

Look, number one, it's the bills it's the bills i'm sorry i feel for you buffalo we even got a lump in the sabers with all this who have not been uh not that we talk hockey much on this show i do love playoff hockey but yeah there's from the four super bowls to everything going on now to being in the same division as tom brady something has got to give and their fan base is so electric and amazing uh if i could say what team i'd want to win a championship that i have no affiliation with in football for sure it's the bills i would feel and i i feel the best for their fan i feel like they would appreciate that Super Bowl more than any other franchise. I told you this story, but I was with the Bills for a cup of coffee in preseason my last year.
And Doug Marone was a coach. Is that like a call, like spur of the moment, you hop on a flight and you're like, hey, I'm going to Buffalo? I was on an elliptical 24-hour fitness in Hermosa Beach.
True story. And you just got a call like, hey, Buffalo needs you.
I was still, yeah, I was still working out, but I was still working out, But I was, I was, I was on an elliptical 24-hour fitness in Hermosa Beach. True story.
And you just got a call like, hey, Buffalo needs you. I was still working out, but I was still working out.
But I was done. I had a workout for Pete in Seattle earlier that year, like in March.
And then just training throughout the summer, one foot in, one foot out. Didn't really care.
And then my agent called, and he was like, Buffalo, you're going to fly out tonight on a red eye. You're going to get there tomorrow, go through, and then you're practicing.
It was literally practice the next day. I was there for four days.
It was preseason four game. Number four really doesn't matter.
A lot of the backups play. Kevin Cobb had a concussion.
He was out. They just drafted EJ manual was our first EJ manual.
So I always wonder if I would have, if I would have played well, would I have made it? Probably not. I think they needed an arm, and I was okay with that.
I didn't really care, to be honest with you. But I played like shit.
I will say the three days that I was there, there was one event that took place with the team. They do an event where the players come in and sign some autographs.
I remember they treated me like a king just the fans in the sense of oh we're so i was like god they love that team so i disappointed them so much in that game but my my glimpse of the bills mafia firsthand and houston had good fan i it was just like wow this is cool like this is a cool place there's not much to do out there Buffalo. Are they up there for you as a fan base just from even like a quick four-day experience

from things you've seen in the NFL?

Zero doubt.

Like, maybe the best fan.

I mean, a lot of these teams have great fan bases,

but maybe the best.

Like, truly passionate, love their team,

and that's all they got up there, man.

I mean, you're from New York.

It's Buffalo.

The Sabres and Buffalo Bills.

There's nothing else over in Buffalo. And so I'm with you.
I want them to win a championship. I don't care as much about the Sabres.
I want the Bills to win a championship with Josh Allen before it's all said and done. And I will say, too, Josh Allen is, in a way, similar with Mahomes, like a Steph Curry, where they are getting a lot of fans that don't live in Buffalo but love Josh like my nephew's the perfect example and even though he lives in like my nephew's claiming well Buffalo's New York like yeah you I told him like you live closer to Cleveland than Buffalo and that's not that's not a joke that's true you can get here faster than you could Buffalo but I do feel like there's a lot of Bills fans for this very team.
And my nephew really wants to go to a game. So anyone out there listening, you got the Buffalo Bills hookup, let me know.
Because I think I got to take this kid to a Bills game next year. You got to take him to a game.
In September, preferably. I ain't trying to freeze my ass off.
I did play. I did beat Josh Allen in a flag football game.
That's my claim to fail. We count everything here.
I want a championship. I ran through in the playoffs.
I ran through Josh Allen, uh, Will Levis, no, Will Levis, then Josh Allen, and then, um, Desmond Ritter and then Doreen Thompson Robinson to win the championship. Uh, you should just maybe highlight the Josh Allen.
His team wasn't very good. We smacked his team.
Well, listen, this was a really, really fun show. Matty, next week, I look forward to seeing you bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, well-rested.
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