It's all about ego | Triforce #336

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Speaker 2 Hello, friends, and welcome back to the podcast.

Speaker 2 We're here.

Speaker 1 At the start of last week's episode, something was mentioned that I didn't get a chance to explain and it was why don't I join the Discord channel when it's just one person waiting in there?

Speaker 1 And I tried to explain and then Lewis cut me off as he tends to. And it was because I don't want to start a conversation that would have been best saved for the podcast.

Speaker 1 Because especially if it's you and me, once we join the channel, we'll just start talking about what we did and we'll talk about something we've seen and we'll just talk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I wait because I think I might just have something vital to say. This week I have nothing to say.
Right.

Speaker 2 I see. You don't even want to do like introductory small talk with us.
No, I think we're past that now.

Speaker 1 That's part of it as well. I feel like us catching up on how is it going, what'd you get up to this week is like a natural intro to the podcast.

Speaker 1 And I would suggest that as a sort of background listen that people put on while they're stacking shelves or working in the staple factory,

Speaker 1 it's a nice intro to the podcast rather than just jumping into it. Like, right, here's topic three.
Here's this section.

Speaker 2 Here's the, here's this, which we speak about every week we just talk we just talk it's just a gentle catch-up with friends it is a gentle catch you're right it is a gentle catch-up um mostly i don't do anything though except for watch tv and play video games and uh occasionally i go out uh i tell you what though recently i've been uh walking more and i've been walking more because now all of my kids are at school and we just have these nice mornings where we can just go for a walk and walk somewhere and get some breakfast or whatever.

Speaker 2 And it's not like, it's not, it's not the usual chaos that comes with having three children as well.

Speaker 2 We can just go somewhere and get a coffee. But what we've been doing is

Speaker 2 we've been exploring like around where we live a lot more, which, I mean, we have done to some degree with

Speaker 2 the children, but there's a lot, there's a lot of hills

Speaker 2 around here and on this island generally that, you know, kids quite rightly don't really want to walk up because it's hard and they get tired. And especially when they're little, they have small legs.

Speaker 2 They don't want to do that. And it's a nightmare pushing like a buggy or whatever up like a quite a steep hill.

Speaker 2 So, we've been walking up these hills, but man, some of the places that like we've seen, like just like it just feels like we're in a completely different place.

Speaker 2 Like, it's so uh, I like I've never seen any of these places.

Speaker 2 I've lived here for quite some time, and uh, it's just been nice to sort of get out and uh and have a look around, have like a little bit of an explore, you know, see, like, look at other people's house, not like not like going into their houses, but you know, seeing like like other people's houses and neighborhoods and stuff.

Speaker 2 And there's like, there's a lot of countryside that we haven't seen or whatever. So we've been doing a lot of that, which has been this is so funny.

Speaker 2 It is pretty good. There's not that much to Jersey, to be honest.

Speaker 2 I remember when I came, I rented a bike and cycled around the whole island and had a great time. Yeah.
And was telling you about it.

Speaker 2 And you were like, yeah, I've never, never really seen it.

Speaker 2 I've never been to these places. I was like,

Speaker 2 stuff is like right there. I know.
It's just having the time

Speaker 2 and the inclination to do it. Like, you know, when you've got a lot to do, sometimes

Speaker 2 you push things that you want to do

Speaker 2 down the priority list.

Speaker 2 But then, you know, life has a way of sort of freeing up. times to do this.
We've been doing heartwarming stuff, Sips. Oh, thanks so much.
Thanks. Enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 We had a nice breakfast. We've been watching.
We watched the Traders, the Celebrity Traders last night, which is good. Oh.

Speaker 2 we've been watching the new series of Alan Partridge, which has been really funny.

Speaker 2 You surprisingly

Speaker 2 such English like

Speaker 2 TV. Yeah, I know

Speaker 2 have I got news for you back, which has been really good.

Speaker 2 It's like it's crazy. We've been watching Educating Yorkshire with my son.
He likes it. We've been watching that.

Speaker 2 He's been watching Traders with us as well. The lineup's not bad as well.
You know, normally, like,

Speaker 2 you know, celebrity, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, whatever. I guess it's always just celebrities, the giveaways and the name, but there's lots of people where you're just like, who?

Speaker 2 I don't know who that is. Like, it's, you know, you're, it's a real stretch that they're, that they're even potentially celebrities.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But on the Traders, they have people that I actually recognize.

Speaker 1 This is a first celebrity series, though, isn't it?

Speaker 2 This is, yeah. But it's got like

Speaker 2 Alan Carr is in it. Stephen Fry is in it.
Jonathan Ross is in it. Like there's like people that you would recognize for sure.
There's like some

Speaker 1 I think they're spending good money on it because it's the first season and it's popular. And also, those people haven't already done it.

Speaker 1 So, in six seasons' time when they're scraping the barrel, some lad who was in Hollyoaks or whatever is suddenly uh on it, and you're like, Who the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 It's quite good, though, because you can tell that they all watch it because they're all like, Oh, I can't wait to see this.

Speaker 1 It is also a cool show, yeah, it is a cool show, yeah.

Speaker 2 Let's be honest, you know, you having watched so much British TV, you're probably okay with these celebrities because you actually recognize them, Sims. Whereas I think I think I don't know who

Speaker 2 David Olasuga, Joe Marla, Joe Joe Olisa. Joe Marla's a rugby player.

Speaker 2 Lucy Beaumont, Marla.

Speaker 2 He's got like

Speaker 2 long, curlyish, greyish hair. And he's a historian.
He does like, he did a whole bunch of stuff in Bristol, like where he would go to like old, like,

Speaker 2 you know, back in the day.

Speaker 2 But I think the fact that he's slave owners and stuff houses and and try to figure out who lived there and what they did these are celebrities to you because you're in the you're you because you watch all of the surrounding stuff as well this makes this is good i'm glad i'm do you know what i'm glad i'm glad someone's watching this and uh

Speaker 2 i don't think i'm the only one somehow it's a pretty big show i mean it's like it's it's pretty popular

Speaker 2 but some of the shows who's who's the uh there's um

Speaker 2 it's not pixie lot it's uh paloma faith is in it paloma faith is in it and as well as ruth cod what's her face loose is it lucy beaumont she was married to

Speaker 2 codhode

Speaker 2 tamika empson you know who um she's from eastenders she's um she's one of the she's one of the sister i think she's what's her face's sister in eastenders you'd know her if you saw her like you'd have to measure me

Speaker 1 ruth cod ruth cod no tamika uh something to something i've googled that i no i find Tamika Devone Catchings. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's an American former professional basketball player. No, no, it's not her.
She's English. I'm pretty sure she's English.
She's on EastEnders. I think it's English.
I don't watch EastEnders.

Speaker 1 Oh, right.

Speaker 2 I haven't watched it since I lived at home, which was a long time ago. It hasn't changed much since

Speaker 2 I don't suppose it has. Even being Alan Carr, dredging him out of the fucking comedy scene or however he's doing it.
He's doing fine.

Speaker 1 He just did a show called God, what was it? It was with, who was it with? He did up a house house in Spain and they let it as a BNB, something like that. Mrs.
F quite liked it. Alan Kahn.

Speaker 1 He told me, oh, no, you didn't say that. Didn't you? Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 He is fucking funny, though. Like, I haven't seen him in a long time, but just his way is just,

Speaker 2 he's good. He's good in the show, too.

Speaker 1 He's one of a kind.

Speaker 2 He really is a unique fellow for sure. But no, he's funny.
It's all right.

Speaker 2 It's fine. It's like, you know,

Speaker 2 there's one content creator in the lineup as well but um

Speaker 2 i can't remember his name i was watching something he's in recently though and he was doing he went to like the the the um you know the far right the big far right uh rally that was in london but he's a black guy and he put on like a a mask to look like an old white guy and he was going around interviewing people and like asking them like how badly they wanted to get rid of black people from the country and stuff it was very funny uh like the first time he did it the mask was like falling off like you could see

Speaker 2 the mask coming out of his collar at the back, and people were like, Hey, wait a second, this guy's wearing a fucking mask. Like, they found out it was him, and then he went back and did it.

Speaker 2 And he had like way better makeup. It was kind of like the remember the jackass old suits? Remember when they would go on the mobility scooters with the old man suits and fall off and stuff?

Speaker 2 It was a bit like that. And he was like, but he was going around with like he was holding like

Speaker 2 he had to have like these prosthetic white hands that were just constantly clutching cans of beer. It was so funny.
He's just walking around talking to all these old gamons and stuff.

Speaker 2 It was, it was, it was wonderful, actually. But he's in it as well.
He's a young, he's a younger guy, and there's a younger uh woman, it's a singer.

Speaker 2 I'm not familiar with her, but they're like, uh, they're like,

Speaker 2 is this is the celebrity traitor shorter than the regular traitors? Is it like, or is it?

Speaker 2 I think it's about the same because it's, there's 19 of them.

Speaker 2 So it's still, it's still got to go through the same sort of format, I guess, where they're not just going to eliminate like six people in one one show sort of thing so yeah i think it just is like a a normal length traders and then i think like the the normal traders usually starts up in the new year like like january february there'll be like another season so how do they decide who dies i've never seen it i don't understand it's like among us it's like the tv show version of among us like they have uh they don't know the the traders know who each other are but everybody else is just uh it's just math here it's just very simple math

Speaker 2 role. They're trying to solve the who is, who is killing people.

Speaker 2 They get to kill one person every day, and then they have like a meeting at the end of every day where they decide who the next person to be evicted or chucked out is.

Speaker 2 And hopefully that's a traitor sort of thing.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, we know when people are new to mafia and they go off the same things that, oh, blood on the clock tower and everything.

Speaker 1 Like, whenever you play those games, you're experienced in those games, Lewis. You've got people like me in and new people in.

Speaker 2 They make the same leaps of logic and the same mistakes and the same guesses they never get to the point where it's like you know like if you've played those games a long time and you say like all right if somebody's accusing somebody uh we kick out first we kick out the person they're accusing and then we kick out the person that started the accusation like it just makes sense right you because you don't know and you know if somebody is is is putting their head above the um whatever to yeah to to to make it known that you know they're making a play or whatever it makes sense that you would kick them out too right like because

Speaker 2 you want to be safe, but like, I mean, I guess, but it also means that nobody ever does that.

Speaker 1 It also means you're kicking out the good town, if you like. So, people that are doing their job and have their head screwed on and are smart and getting people kicked out.

Speaker 1 When you say, oh, well, this guy's proven himself to be too competent. We need to get rid of him because he could be manipulating us.

Speaker 1 What you end up with is this sort of group of milquetoast do-nothings who just lose to.

Speaker 2 Well, those are the people that always win in the end. Somebody,

Speaker 2 oh, mate, I'm just irrelevant at Great time. Yeah, we'll have three or four of them that are like that, and then all of a sudden the penny drops for one of them.
Yeah, and then

Speaker 2 they manage to rally people around.

Speaker 2 If the traders haven't pulled like a blinder,

Speaker 2 then that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I mean, that Zach Davis guy that got voted off because everybody disliked him because he played the games.

Speaker 1 He knew what he was doing. And a lot of the other people playing the show wanted to get rid of him just because he was competent.

Speaker 2 And a lot of the people that tend to go through are the people who don't say anything, don't actually play the game, and just seem like average people and people aren't threatened by that and they they make it all the way to the end it's crazy really it is crazy yeah do the good team win together or do the yeah do the only the survivors win the money no no the traders can win but the trader has to be in in the final so basically they gave

Speaker 2 us asking if the good team wins does everyone on the good team get oh yeah they split the money it's only the survivors it's only the survivors no equally the if the traders if there's two traitors that make it through, it's never happened.

Speaker 2 Let's say there's three people split the money as well.

Speaker 1 Let's say there's three people left, and there's two survivors, two innocent, one traitor, and they get rid of the traitor. The two innocent people share the money.

Speaker 1 They don't share it with all the dead innocent people.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, not all. Oh, sorry.
Yes, yeah, no, only the people that make it.

Speaker 2 You get murdered on the way, so you don't win if you're out.

Speaker 1 If you're dead, you're out.

Speaker 2 Is that what you were asking?

Speaker 2 Yes, and the reason why that's a problem is because that encourages people to look bad and not work with their team in order to not get killed at night.

Speaker 2 If you look like a really safe, good, trustworthy, good guy, you'll just get killed. You'll be out.
But then none of them know encourages mad play.

Speaker 2 It does, but none of them know

Speaker 2 who's safe, though. Like, they buddy up with people.
At the start, the people that get kicked out are just people that people don't like. You know, like there's, they have nothing to go on.

Speaker 2 And then as the game progresses, they're forever thinking, shit, am I getting stitched up here? Am I getting it?

Speaker 1 I would get voted out straight straight away.

Speaker 2 So the whole thing encourages you to sort of almost. Have traitors called each other out and said, you're the traitor, no, you're the one.
They constantly do, yeah. Cause what happens is

Speaker 2 when it gets down to like six or seven people left, it's fairly obvious who, who the traitors are, or at least one of them is. So like they'll be hot to get one out.

Speaker 2 And then normally what a trader will do is, in a bid to save themselves, is throw another trader under the bus.

Speaker 2 And sometimes the, you know, because there's usually three traders and sometimes there's more that can recruit and stuff throughout the game.

Speaker 2 But sometimes you'll, you, you'll have a play where like two traders will decide together to throw the third one under the bus as like a sacrifice.

Speaker 2 And then in the hopes that they look like they're, you know, oh, we're traitor hunters, you know, we've, we figured it out, we knew it.

Speaker 2 You know, and we got this person to say. Does that person just say, well, it's these two? Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that's really not much play, is there?

Speaker 1 Because there's no info roles. There's no parity cop or medic or anything.
There's no info.

Speaker 2 So it's like

Speaker 2 those games are mafia. Very occasionally, there'll be like a task where they'll get some info or whatever, but oftentimes they have info and nobody believes them anyway.

Speaker 2 Because the design is basically, you know, narcissist, selfish simulator where you're not really on a team. You know, you're not really on the good team.
You're on your own team.

Speaker 2 Everyone's on their own team. You're not really even a traitor.
You're on your own team. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you happen to know two other people who are also, you know, you're working with to try and survive, but you're not really on the traitor team. There's no, there's no incentive.

Speaker 2 Like, like a lot of the time in Blood and the Clock Tower, you know, dead players carry on, obviously.

Speaker 2 But the point is, a lot of the kills that are done are done in a much nicer way because you almost guarantee that the person you killed is not the demon because the game hasn't ended. Right.

Speaker 2 And so that means they're good. And it changes the dynamic because then people could trust them more.
Like, it's so exclusionary to play this

Speaker 2 knockout game. it's such a different game yeah um it's a it's good i enjoy it i like

Speaker 2 i like the strategy and stuff but like i like i said there are there are times where it's like if this happens you should definitely vote that person out and they the the contestants for the most part i guess like this world brain just forgot from the point of view of telly like telly is all all these shows with big brother and fucking bachelor and all these things they all whittle you they're hop they're all about whittling right it's a series of starting with a lot of people and then, you know, having the sadness of people getting knocked out every episode.

Speaker 2 And, you know,

Speaker 2 I think reality TV suffers a lot from, and, and some of those shows that you mentioned are the worst for it.

Speaker 2 They, I think it's hard for them to get people onto the show that aren't angling for like, you know, some, you know, a big boost to their social media presence or whatever. You know, you, you.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's like not quite influencers, but maybe you want to be influencers that sign up for a lot of these shows shows because they think it's a, you know, it's exposure for them.

Speaker 2 Like they're going to be known all of a sudden and then they're going to get a lot more followers or whatever.

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of these shows, like, I know The Apprentice has done this, and I feel like maybe the traders would do it as well, but like they kind of shy away from these larger than life personalities that turn up, you know, like they're people that are already, you know, on Instagram or trying to like be big on Instagram or whatever.

Speaker 2 And they'll, they'll kind of settle for people that aren't like like that more so. Like

Speaker 2 the most recent season of The Apprentice, it kind of showed that they vetted people like that out more.

Speaker 2 And both seasons of the Traders have had just really like normal people, you know, like they, you don't get the sense that these people are after some sort of like internet fame or clout or whatever.

Speaker 2 They're just there because

Speaker 2 the experience they want to be on the show. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if it's a competition of who is the best singer, right?

Speaker 2 Then it makes sense that people get knocked out along the way, I guess, because then you get to, you know, whittle down who is the best.

Speaker 2 And even that is a very cruel process because it leaves almost everyone involved, apart from the person who wins, disappointed, right? It's very emotional.

Speaker 2 It's very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

Speaker 2 like, I think Will Young didn't win. And he's

Speaker 1 early seasons.

Speaker 2 I would say that. And then the person that won against him has probably not done as well as as

Speaker 2 I still think that the whole experience is an emotional roller coaster for these people and I think quite traumatic and stressful, right?

Speaker 2 And now, and I think doing the traitors is gamifying it for no good reason. It's a bad,

Speaker 2 it's a cruel game, you know,

Speaker 2 which

Speaker 2 I imagine, again, having not watched it, although we did do our own video version of it,

Speaker 2 I imagine maybe it isn't, maybe it's fine.

Speaker 1 Maybe people have nice, realistic, lovely chats where they're all lovely to each other um and they're not shouting at each other and being all horrible and like you know getting all upset and fake acting and fake crying and all this um but do you know what i mean it does feel like fodder it feels like tv emotional trauma fodder which i guess is all a lot of reality has surprisingly it's not super dramatic i don't think they get the traders is actually pretty good like it's actually not a bad show and it can be it's it's interesting to see because there's a lot at stake like that the traitors just you know having to argue their way out out of a corner like if you've ever watched like a game of mafia or any of those games with full knowledge which of course you have watching the show it is interesting to see when you know someone's lying watching someone lie when you know the truth is quite entertaining and seeing the plays that people make seeing people go down those these rabbit holes where they're just convinced of the wrong thing i can relate to all that so much like being so sure of myself trusting my gut and being completely wrong seeing other people do it is quite entertaining it's genuinely not a a bad show.

Speaker 1 The problem is, they fill out the hour with all these fucking stupid tasks.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just, I hate

Speaker 2 the same. We don't like them either, but I feel like they found a pretty good spot with the tasks.
They're not

Speaker 2 as prominent as they were. I feel like they probably had a lot of feedback where it's like, there's too much on the tasks.
It's so boring.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like watching.

Speaker 2 I'd rather just watch them milling around in the castle working on backstabbing each other or whatever.

Speaker 2 The tasks are just silly.

Speaker 1 Like, it's always the same you know I understand why they do it though but yeah I think it would be it would be better if if the tasks because the thing is all the money that's won in the tasks goes into the prize pool yeah what I would like is if the money lost on a task went into the traitor's prize pool so then there's a question of is this are they throwing this game on purpose because they're a traitor and they want more money in the traitor's prize pool that's another big one people get stuck on that one all the time like yeah you know when when there's no sort of evidence against someone that's that that's the go-to are they they sabotaging the task?

Speaker 2 Are the producers putting them up to sabotaging the task for their benefit? There's nothing to go.

Speaker 2 And there's no chance of a game. You know, and it's all entirely on vibe.
It's a very different experience. Anyway.
It's good. It is good, though.
I've enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 And the celebrity one seems to be okay for now as well.

Speaker 1 I normally hate celebrity anythings.

Speaker 2 Yeah, same.

Speaker 2 I usually don't bother watching them, but this one, just because I saw the cast and I recognized for once once more than like uh two people in the lineup i thought okay i'll give it a go like it might be pretty good and it's uh it's so far it's all right yeah it's pretty do you do you guys you guys ever heard of pop bitch no it's a newsletter it's been going for 25 years

Speaker 1 yeah all one word pop bitch it's just like uk gossip it's like a gossip newsletter uh

Speaker 2 yeah it's just

Speaker 1 gossip scandalous stories yeah it's really funny so it's like people anonymously send in stories and tips about famous people and their sordid lives, right?

Speaker 1 It's honestly, it can be absolutely hilarious. There's all kinds of shady shit that the celebs go on, but there's also just interesting things.
Like this is the supper club.

Speaker 1 See, the after-dinner speaker club they're talking about. So Christian Horner, who was, I think, a Formula One team manager.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's married to, he was married to Jerry Halliwell, or still is, I think.

Speaker 2 I think they are still married.

Speaker 1 So you can get him for 25K for an after-dinner chat. Amil Rajan and Nick Robinson, 25K.
You can get them to speak at your after dinner.

Speaker 1 And so they're saying, for comparison, an influencer like Molly Mae Haig, who I've never heard of, 20K for an Insta endorsement. She gets 20,000 pounds for

Speaker 1 an endorsement on Instagram. I don't know who she is.

Speaker 1 She's a reality TV personality. She was on Love Island.
So there you go. That's all it takes.
You were talking about how people want to get on here to boost their profile and everything.

Speaker 1 If you go on a show like that and do well, suddenly you're earning 20K for saying, buy this makeup, and you just have to do a post on Instagram. That's why people do it.
It's

Speaker 2 it became a thing. I will say this first of all you hear these numbers like everyone's like oh my god, you know, but a lot of this is some of this is fuck you money, what I call fuck you money.

Speaker 2 It's like, I don't want to do this, but I'll do it for this much money. Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's an insane insane amount of money. That doesn't mean it's my money.

Speaker 1 I thought fuck you money was so much money you could tell anyone to go fuck themselves.

Speaker 2 I thought that's exactly it kind of is. It's like, well, that's what I call it.
And I feel like you do encounter this sometimes with

Speaker 2 a job, you know, like even like getting your,

Speaker 2 getting something, like some painting done or whatever.

Speaker 2 You know, if the guy is really busy and he doesn't really want to do it, he'll give you a quote that's higher, you know, than he would otherwise.

Speaker 2 And if you say yes, then, you know, it suddenly becomes worth his time, right? And so I think that some people are

Speaker 2 making their living on after-dinner speaking. Are you doing your little after-dinner speech there? P5

Speaker 2 is to get 20k. He's just going to be.

Speaker 1 No, you reminded me, you said something about a quote or something like that. And I remembered I got a builder's quote and I was taking a DJ to respond to it.

Speaker 2 So I just responded. Yes, let's push ahead and book this in.

Speaker 2 When you said pop bitch, it reminded me of the BBC used to have this thing.

Speaker 2 It was like a celebrity stock market. It was like a little web app game.
Like you played it in a browser. This is before phones.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that does ring a bell and uh so what you you would start off with some money and you would you would use that money to buy stocks in celebrities and their stocks would go up based on if they were mentioned in the news like it had like this this aggregator that would sort of go through and celeback celebrate that's it yeah man it was so much fun i used to the the first office job i ever had i used to play it all the time dude this was just on the bbc website it was yeah it was just

Speaker 2 its own tv show oh i didn't know i didn't realize it had its own TV show. That's really interesting.
But buyers were given the opportunity to buy and sell shares.

Speaker 1 He's in £10,000 of virtual cash. You had to buy selected and think who was going to be.
Yeah. And there was also a sports DAC as well that you could do.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That sounds great.

Speaker 2 It was super fun. Yeah.
So you check the news every day and you'd be like, fuck, okay. I hope I just bought like 20 shares in Michael Jackson yesterday.

Speaker 2 Like, hopefully, he does something stupid overnight. And he's in, like, he's just everywhere.
And then, like, his, you know, his prices shoot up or whatever. It was fun.

Speaker 2 It was just like a time waster but um i wish there was something like that again it was it was super fun um but i think they they closed it down they said oh you know we're revamping it we're going to bring it back and then they just never brought it back typical yeah it was a really cool idea it was really fun we we we had good shares in greg greg walla's shares did great oh god i've sold them they would have gone

Speaker 2 just absolutely crazy we would have been he was all over the show billionaires yeah he was everywhere still you still saw it trickly in when they were doing Master Shuffle because there were a lot of news bits around him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I

Speaker 1 still get emails and messages of everyone that fucking sends me Greg Wallace memes on Instagram. I just delete them.

Speaker 2 How did we do last week

Speaker 2 for politics? Because I know it was mentioned that whenever we talk about any politics, people get mad, but I don't think we spoke about politics at all last week, did we?

Speaker 1 No. I mean, there is a certain group that takes offense when we talk about politics because we're talking about politics in a way that they don't agree with.
Oh, God.

Speaker 2 So it doesn't mean that's a problem. I can't imagine who that might be.

Speaker 1 Right. So, people on the right get very upset when we talk about it and they call us ill-informed.
They're the ones doing the complaining. Right.

Speaker 1 Because their idea of informed is being a fascist, I guess. You know, of course.
If you're informed, you'd be a fascist. If you're not informed, you're a cuck liberal.
Right.

Speaker 1 It's the best I can tell from the vitriol in the comments and the easiest thing.

Speaker 2 All I'm going to say

Speaker 2 is the

Speaker 2 Trump is a pedo protector. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Just leave it at that. We'll just leave it at that.
Listen, I'm not trying to start an argument here.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying

Speaker 2 he's a

Speaker 2 nanny.

Speaker 1 He's like a nanny for nonsense.

Speaker 2 That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
I think that's all they need to say, though. If all the Democrats just start saying that, come on, you know, they ain't saying shit.

Speaker 2 That's all they need to say.

Speaker 1 They ain't doing shit.

Speaker 2 Listen, I know I've talked a lot about TV, but I have one more thing I would like to recommend if you haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 It's a, I think it's five or maybe a six-part series. You can watch it on

Speaker 2 BBC iPlayer. I'm not sure where else you could watch it if you're not in the UK, but it's called Once Upon a Time in Iraq.
It's really good. It's a really, really, really good documentary.

Speaker 2 And I think even if you think you know bits and pieces about the 2003 invasion of Iraq,

Speaker 2 or you feel like you're done with it, or you don't know much about it, and you don't care, whatever, still watch it.

Speaker 2 It's like, I feel like, I feel like everybody has to see it. It's so good.
It's really, really well done.

Speaker 2 It's sad and uh it's awful but it's it's just so well done it's it it sort of starts and it says you've heard from all the politicians but now um you know experience uh the the war in iraq uh through the eyes of like the journalists who are there soldiers who are there and the and the and the people of iraq and it is well this is insane it sounds great it's narrated by andy serkis who is himself half iraqi um well his i think his his mum was half iraqi half english and his dad was half iraqi half Armenian.

Speaker 2 Andy Serkis, Gollum. Oh, yeah.
I don't like him. I love him.
I think he's great. He was great.

Speaker 2 I don't like him. For any reason, he looks like he's got poor hygiene.
Right. He just gives

Speaker 2 hygiene. Yeah.
He looks like a guy that's

Speaker 2 a good job narrating this documentary, though. Don't let it put it off.

Speaker 2 You don't ever see this guy, as far as I can tell, but it's really good. It's really worth the watch.

Speaker 2 I just feel like

Speaker 1 he does something disgusting, you know what I mean. He just strikes me as a kind of a disgusting guy, you've got bad vibes, he's got some dirty secret.

Speaker 2 Is that what you think? He's got one of those really gross eating habits. Like, he

Speaker 2 like he, he, instead of eating a donut, he licks like the whole of the donut until, yeah, from the inside out, the donut disappears or something like that.

Speaker 2 His tongue going through the whole of the donut, he just tongues it, he tongues it until eventually it's just gone. Oh, mommy, just get me out of here.

Speaker 2 It's gonna take me about a week to get through this bad boy, but trust me, this is the way I like to do it. Tastes great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just it's just there's something about him i just i'm just not not a fan well if you can get past him i i like again i would i would totally recommend this documentary series even if you're not overly interested in the subject matter it's a it's a really uh really good one really really well done really uh really interesting but like i said really really sad and um

Speaker 2 and awful at times but um but good there you go that's my big up for the for this week by the way there's a new once upon a time in iraq new double episode of uh 24 hours in Police Custody out. Oh,

Speaker 2 thank you. You're welcome.
You're welcome. These TV shows.
I will be watching that.

Speaker 2 It is so good.

Speaker 1 We watched episode one last night. Oh, nice.
Genuinely amazing. Like, looking forward to episode two.
I will say this: the culprit plays Minecraft.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 keep your eyes out for that. Okay.

Speaker 1 People that play Minecraft, not good people according to this TV show.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 You'll have to get my

Speaker 2 lobby group to

Speaker 2 look into this, actually. I don't want

Speaker 2 Minecraft having a bad name.

Speaker 2 I want to make sure that we're only spreading good vibes about Minecraft on the other ways at all times.

Speaker 2 New Discord rule here for the channel.

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Speaker 2 On with the show.

Speaker 2 Did I tell you guys that I've been trying to learn how to use Blender and also code in Unity? No. Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned that you were working on a game, but we won't.

Speaker 2 I won't go into the details. Is this to do with that? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Is Blender like Grinder?

Speaker 1 Isn't that the one for lesbians?

Speaker 2 I love the idea of that.

Speaker 2 I think I got a lot of lesbians in

Speaker 2 my Steam friends list, if that's the case, because a lot of people seem to use Blender on.

Speaker 2 I was just wondering why the tutorial was so weird. It was making me upload my picture and say my interests.
I was jacking off all the time.

Speaker 2 Could not stop. I went on like three days before I realized that I hadn't done a 3D model yet.

Speaker 2 It's like a go-to the 3D modeling thing, and it's not necessarily intuitive at all, but it's, it is, there's a lot of, you can pretty much just Google like use chat GPT if you've got a problem with anything You can just be like, how do I do this?

Speaker 2 Or how do I do this weird thing? And it's like, oh, so yeah, I hate the way chat GPT says things to you. It'll say things like, oh, yeah, that's a, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 That's, but then it'll tell you something and you'll be like, I'm using, this doesn't work. And it's like, oh, yeah.
And it'll give you another suggestion. You'll be like, again, that doesn't work.

Speaker 2 And it's like, oh, no, sorry, you're right. You're sorry, you're right.
And sorry, you're right.

Speaker 2 But then finally, if you say to it, like, I'm using the latest version, because weirdly for some reason i don't know who is using old versions of these things but chat gpt's default solution is like out of date of course it is because it doesn't assume that you're using the latest version of a program it assumes that your problem is with blender version four or whatever it's like you know once you tell it you're on blender version six it's like oh that changes everything and then but you'll ask it another question and it will just immediately assume you're using blender version four again So, you know, you have to almost every time you ask it a question, you have to give it this incredibly fucking overly detailed question.

Speaker 2 You know, you can't just talk to it like it's a human. It doesn't seem to have very good memory as well.
Like it will have forgotten.

Speaker 2 Like even if you say to it, always assume I'm on the latest version and never forget this, it will have forgotten it in like two prompts. Do you see what I mean? No.

Speaker 2 All right, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. You are cutting out every time at the end of a sentence.
You're going, you know the way, and it just nothing comes through and

Speaker 2 then

Speaker 2 you'll say,

Speaker 2 you know what I mean? And then it's been silent for

Speaker 2 10 seconds and then you came back with

Speaker 2 restart Discord or something because this is just, we cannot follow this conversation. I'm going to restart Discord.

Speaker 2 I love that. I love how we were both waiting just to see if you could kind of get away with, like, yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 I was like, maybe it's just being wubbly for a second, but nope, didn't understand. I'm fucking blurry.
So funny. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I don't, it's the Yog's office internet. I guess there's a bunch of people caning it.

Speaker 2 Wait, is he at home or is he at the office?

Speaker 1 I guess he's at the office, right?

Speaker 2 He must be. Oh, yeah, he could be.
Sometimes he does these from home, though. He might be at home.
That's true. Hello.
That's true. Hey, you're at home.
Hello. I'm not very well as well.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's not well.

Speaker 2 We're talking about how cursed your internet is.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it wants me to just tell you quickly, just before you talk more about Blender Lewis, I've been playing Clover Pit, and

Speaker 2 I have the worst luck of any human being probably on the whole planet when it comes to gaming. Clover Pit? Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's like Bellatro, but with a slot machine.

Speaker 2 You're stuck in a little room, and you have to get these little charms to make better combos with a slot machine. And you have to keep paying.
Anything good? It's great. Yeah, it's really fun.

Speaker 2 I get it. It's on Steam.
I think it was on sale the other day as well.

Speaker 1 It is for £7.95.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but if you like Bellatro, pick it up. It's really good.
I did like Bellatro.

Speaker 1 So, the only thing that puts me off is that it's like a story. That there's like a story.

Speaker 2 I don't really know. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
There's little fun elements to unlock stuff or whatever.

Speaker 2 These games have the bare minimum they could possibly do of a story. I mean, there is a door that you need to open, and then when you eventually open the door, you get a two-second cutscene.

Speaker 2 Yes, I know. It is.

Speaker 2 Fine.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 okay, I think maybe if I'm just speaking small. You can get, uh, you can get, you can land a 666 Flex, which is, there's a 1.5%

Speaker 2 chance of landing it.

Speaker 2 It works in rounds. So you get like seven spins per round, for example.
Right. And when, when you're in the round, you're locked in.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So whatever your charms are, whatever, you're locked into that round until the spins are all done.

Speaker 2 So you're accumulating money during the round, and

Speaker 2 you can occasionally 1.5% chance, sometimes it can be more, depending on the things that you've chosen, you can hit a 666, which wipes out your money for that, for that, that you haven't banked yet.

Speaker 2 So you might have quite a bit of money because you might have, you know, be halfway through the round or whatever, and it'll wipe you out. 1.5% chance.
I'm not even kidding.

Speaker 2 Yesterday I was playing, I hit it like four times in a row. Like, fuck, it was driving me insane.
Like,

Speaker 2 I feel like I, or at least yesterday when I was playing, I just felt straight up cursed. Like, I just, I just felt like I had the worst possible luck.
There is a luck modifier in the game.

Speaker 2 You can get, you can get items that give you plus luck, which of which I had none. So maybe, you know, looking back, that was my problem.

Speaker 2 But it just felt like at a 1.5% chance, this is like, this made like XCOM 2's percentage chances look like amateur hour. Like it was,

Speaker 2 it was, it was hitting all the time and it was driving me crazy. But it is, it is fun.
Really fun. It is fun.
Really fun. So, so I'll try and tell you what I experienced with Unity.

Speaker 2 Basically, I started doing this tutorial and I was like, okay, cool. I'll, you know, I'll just, I'll just do like this demo

Speaker 2 that they've set up. And it starts off and it's like,

Speaker 2 press file, press cube, you know, put cube in scene. And it's like, okay, like the most, like a four-year-old could do this.
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 And it gets like halfway through the tutorial and every single step has been the most baby thing you could possibly imagine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then then it says, Now write a piece of code to move the cube around. Write a class.
And you're like, well,

Speaker 2 sorry,

Speaker 2 but so you're not going to teach me like anything about this. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I love how it goes, it goes from like

Speaker 2 computer instructions for your 85-year-old grandmother to now start coding. It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 Now draw the rest of the owl or whatever. Press the Windows icon.
But then it sort of says, you know, copy paste in this massive, massive line of code, um, you know, to make your own game.

Speaker 2 And it's like, well, that's not making my own game, is it? That's you giving me the answer and not telling me anything or not teaching me anything about what any of these things.

Speaker 2 Well, if you want to write your own game, Lewis, you need to learn like some C ⁇ , make your own engine, and

Speaker 2 then maybe even just keep using C ⁇ after that as well, if you really want to, if you want to get crazy with it. I'm 41 years old.
I don't, I mean, he's 41 years old.

Speaker 2 I don't have time to

Speaker 2 do it. I ain't got time.
I've been working. I've got bills to pay, kids, mouths to suffer.
Who you want me to lose to kill? I'm 41 years of age.

Speaker 2 It's not the right time.

Speaker 1 I've barely got time to get haircut these days.

Speaker 2 We're going to go on.

Speaker 2 I've got my bills.

Speaker 2 Thank God.

Speaker 2 I'm not going back to school. My wife's hungry.
She's 51 years old. If you're

Speaker 2 41 years old,

Speaker 2 why don't you just, instead of trying to make a game, why don't you just play some fun games? Yeah, just play a game and stop trying to make a game. Just chill out, bro.
Just be lazy.

Speaker 2 Just be lazy and just play someone else's game.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is why Dude Sim Alaska has never been made, Sips. I will never say that.

Speaker 2 It never will be either. It will remain

Speaker 2 a pretty game. Yeah, well, somebody

Speaker 2 Dude Sim Alaska one more time. Pitch me this game.
Okay,

Speaker 2 imagine a game that looks like rust,

Speaker 2 but it's more like

Speaker 2 a cozy cabin simulator. But all the things that you would have to do in a cabin.
So you not only do you have to build your cabin from scratch, you have to like chop down trees.

Speaker 2 You got to get the wood ready so that you can make your log cabin.

Speaker 2 You got to go fishing and hunting and you got to do some farming to survive. And

Speaker 2 one of the fun things to do in the game is as you're exploring this vast, vast wilderness that you live in alone, um,

Speaker 2 you can occasionally collect uh old like car and bike parts. So, you have like longer-term projects to work on, so you can like build a push bike, uh, you can build a car and restore it.

Speaker 2 Uh, and this is so that you can uh eventually travel like to the town to do some trading. You know, you might want to trade like some goods for like some other goods or whatever.

Speaker 2 It's like a, it's like, it's kind of like a like a slice of life simulator, you know, but like it'll look like uh, not like pixely, you know, like I like it.

Speaker 2 Imagine like a third person Stardew Valley that just looks a bit more realistic and maybe is a little bit more

Speaker 2 satisfying or fulfilling because of that sort of thing, you know, but you, but you just get to do all these little mundane survival tasks and stuff.

Speaker 2 And I feel like that would be like such a fun game to play, you know? You just add like more and more stuff into it.

Speaker 2 You know, you can make, you can, you can design projects that are as big or as small as you'd like. You know, you can spend as much time doing stuff as you want or not, you know, it's up to you.

Speaker 2 You just do what you want. And then, you know, maybe it'd be fun if there was like occasionally people that you could talk to in the game if you want to.
But if you don't want to, it's fine.

Speaker 2 You don't have to, you know, give them gifts and then eventually marry them and then have kids. You could have some kids in your cabin as well, and you could raise an army of children.

Speaker 2 I feel like the scope is scared to have control. And you can modify their genes.
You can modify their genes.

Speaker 2 You can give them bionic implants if you want to make them better at farming or doing tasks that you don't want to do.

Speaker 2 You potentially roll like a 10 out of 10 car refurbisher child, four-year-old child that refurbishes your car that you can sell it for the big bucks in the town.

Speaker 2 And then you could have enough money to buy all the seeds that you need for the next year's harvest or whatever, you know. And sometimes raiders come.

Speaker 2 Sometimes raiders can come, but you can switch them off. There's an option to switch off raiders if you want to go.

Speaker 2 You could attach like engines to your cabin and fly it to a different location if you get bored. Eventually, yes, you get

Speaker 2 enough hyper fuel, you can leave the planet and go to another planet and start over fresh somewhere else.

Speaker 1 Hey, can I can we change the subject to something that I wanted to ask you about?

Speaker 2 Yes, please.

Speaker 2 I'm just trying to help out.

Speaker 2 Sorry, no, thank God. That's all right.

Speaker 1 Do you so I was watching uh the the depart the departed the departed the movie about

Speaker 2 it has uh jack jack nicholson and yeah and

Speaker 2 Leonardo DiCaprio

Speaker 2 I feel like Matt Damon is in it as well.

Speaker 1 Matt Damon is in it.

Speaker 2 This is it.

Speaker 2 So my partner has never listened to a podcast ever in her life. Get her to listen to this one.

Speaker 2 No, this is what I'm saying. This is what she said.

Speaker 2 She said, what's your podcast about? And I said, this is what I said to her. I said, Sips watches like ordinary TV.
Very ordinary. Like the rumor levels of TV.

Speaker 2 Pirian. watches old movies usually on tv because they're on yeah i don't watch to know that is completely different.

Speaker 2 And then we do this fun thing where Flax mentions a movie and I try to guess who everybody,

Speaker 2 all the actors who are in it. And normally I get it wrong, except for in the case of the Depadted, which

Speaker 2 I've seen the Depadted, so I don't know. Well, there you go.
That helps. I just said to her, you won't like it.
You won't like this. No, I don't.

Speaker 1 I'm amazed anyone does.

Speaker 1 I've met your partner. They're definitely not going to like this.
No.

Speaker 2 But the thing is, she's. I feel like your partner would absolutely not like this, not like I don't think she'd be offended or anything, I think she'd be offended at how low quality it is, you know.

Speaker 2 Like, well, she would be like, You're doing this, yeah, you could be spending time with me and this, yeah, is what I said to her.

Speaker 2 I was like, you know, but you, when you're in the car driving, because she does quite a lot of driving around, he's car again,

Speaker 2 brilliant when you're in the car,

Speaker 2 silence, yes,

Speaker 2 she does quite a lot of driving around, um, and she listens to radio four. Now, I said to her, How do you know what's on?

Speaker 2 And she was like, Oh, well, I just know what's on when and I like everything. And I was like, But a lot of the time I've been in the car with you and it's been absolute shit on the radio.

Speaker 2 You know, wouldn't you prefer to listen to a podcast which is specific to the thing that you like? Right.

Speaker 1 You'd be like, I'm interested in this topic.

Speaker 1 Let me see if there's a good podcast out there, or even just some of the big, famous ones, like serial or something like that, like some big, famous podcasts, you know? Yeah, give them a listen.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 interested. My

Speaker 2 recently, in uh, in the car, I've been listening to a Spotify-generated uh artist radio based on the band L7. You ever heard of L7?

Speaker 2 No, they're like an old, uh, like a like a heavier grunge band from like the uh the 90s. Oh, it's

Speaker 2 an all-girl group. Oh, hell.

Speaker 2 You probably heard they had a kind of mainstream-ish hit called pretend we're dead um which you may have heard but okay listen to this playlist okay uh so this is just this is auto generated off of the off of the artist okay so pretend we're dead by l7 holiday in cambodia by the dead kennedys uh gouge away by the pixies waiting room by fugazi uh cannonball by the breeders uh shove by l7 dead kennedys again too drunk to fuck if you're familiar with that one monkey gone to heaven by the pixies jesus built Built My Hot Rod by Ministry,

Speaker 2 and it goes on and on and on and on. And then Lump by the Presidents of the United States of America.

Speaker 2 I hate them so much.

Speaker 2 You can imagine how quickly I skipped it when it came on. I'm trying to listen to some nice grunge hits and some punk music.
And all of a sudden, Lump comes on.

Speaker 2 I was just like, oh my God, what is going on here?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, great.

Speaker 2 Really, really, really, really nice play. I like the auto-generated playlists.
It's good. They're fun.
Yeah, they're fun. Be careful.
Spotify are pushing AI songs on them. Are they?

Speaker 1 That's a shame.

Speaker 2 So, my original point: I was watching The Departed, okay?

Speaker 1 And I've got a question for you because Leonardo DiCaprio is in that movie and he meets a lady who is Matt Damon's girlfriend, and they sort of get together.

Speaker 1 When we're watching a movie and there's someone in it like Leonardo DiCaprio, who's a very handsome guy, this is when he was in before his head got bigger.

Speaker 1 If you've noticed, his head is a lot bigger now than it was back when he made the Depaded. His head was like normal size then.

Speaker 2 Yeah, now his head is large. He's a fairly large head.
But now it's much in proportion to the rest of his body.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say now his head is

Speaker 2 catch me if you can. I was always surprised that

Speaker 2 they didn't just catch him immediately because his head is so big. You know, like

Speaker 2 there he is. There's big head.
Get him.

Speaker 2 He's got a

Speaker 1 PB out on a guy with a fucking huge

Speaker 2 on a guy with a gigantic cassava melon head.

Speaker 2 Looks like Leonardo DiCaprio.

Speaker 1 But he's very good looking. So my question is, when they have an actor playing a character, are we meant to notice the fact that they're very good looking?

Speaker 1 Almost so good looking that they could be an actor or a model. So am I meant to just ignore the fact that they're very good looking and be like, oh, there's no way this girl's going to talk to him.

Speaker 1 Or am I also meant to think, oh, yes, his character, part of his character is that he's a very handsome guy? Yeah. Like, do you know, am I meant to just overlook that fact?

Speaker 1 Like, when you have a beautiful woman who's down on her luck in a movie, am I meant to just ignore the fact that she could clearly just get a job as a model or anything?

Speaker 1 Am I meant to just ignore that fact? Or am I meant to think, man, I can't believe no one's noticed how gorgeous this woman is.

Speaker 1 What am I meant to do with the part of my brain that evaluates that these people are clearly very handsome people?

Speaker 2 Okay, well, this is part of your suspension of disbelief, right? Yeah. It's the idea that you are willing to

Speaker 2 push aside and join in

Speaker 2 with with this, right?

Speaker 1 If everyone else in that world is acting like everything's normal, we just have to go along with it, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't even, I'm not sure I even think in those terms when I watch movies. Like, I just, you know, I don't even, I don't really,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 See, if it's a film I've seen before, this is why I quite like to watch films I've seen before,

Speaker 1 because I can sort of take the time to think about things I hadn't when I was just watching it the first time. Because this is only the second time I've seen the movie.

Speaker 1 I didn't really, I didn't think the departed was great. It was okay.

Speaker 2 I would do Infernal Affairs, which is the film it was based on.

Speaker 1 Wasn't Jack nicholson like a like almost like a mafia figure sort of yeah he's like an irish mafia in boston yeah hey here's another thing i wanted to to talk to you guys about you tell me if you think this is this is something is this anything all right there's a there's a blue sky account called triforce podcast fact checker right you aware of this

Speaker 1 there used to be a twitter account like that too right so now like luckily he's moved over to to to um blue sky uh or she i don't know um and they post facts right and then they check them right so for example, from six days ago, Sips did not get raptured is the fact.

Speaker 1 Goblins will not get you if you don't eat your crusts.

Speaker 2 Is another.

Speaker 2 That's a fact. Yeah, that is.
These are good facts.

Speaker 1 There is no bonus Triforce podcast called We Hate Women.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 We could, let's change that. We could.
Yeah. We should just do a bonus episode.

Speaker 1 Just for the Patreon.

Speaker 2 Just for the incels that follow us on Patreon.

Speaker 2 We'll do a We Hate Women episode.

Speaker 1 Weekly. A weekly We Hate Women.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's like, this is just, these are clearly things that we've said just in passing. And then they're fact-checked.
For example, Nicholas Cage's first name is not Picolas.

Speaker 2 I don't know why we thought it was Piccolas Cage.

Speaker 2 I think it's because of that. I think it's a Gary's mod thing, isn't it? Isn't there like a Piccolus Cage

Speaker 2 skin in TTT or something? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Marilyn Manson did not have ribs removed so that he couldn't.

Speaker 2 No, that's a common...

Speaker 2 That is a common...

Speaker 2 I don't know how. This is back before the internet existed, but that rumor was just in every high school in the 90s.

Speaker 2 It didn't matter where the school was. If it was in the West, even in the UK, they were saying it.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's the same as the Richard Gear hamster up the ass thing. These are just rumors that went around.

Speaker 2 What was the thing? It was he put a hamster in his ass. Using a tube of...

Speaker 2 It was a gerbil or a hamster or something. A gerbil, and then somebody needed

Speaker 2 to see if the gerbil was in there. And they used a lighter to light it up and it blew up because he farted.
Something stupid. Something so stupid.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's fucking ridiculous. I mean,

Speaker 2 I remember telling people that, though, when I was at school, like it was, you know,

Speaker 2 like really common

Speaker 2 factual knowledge. Yeah.
It is funny how it spreads between playgrounds. And you always get this, right?

Speaker 2 Somehow, there's some underground network that manages to pass it between schools virally, you know, like COVID or something, just gets out there, these rumors.

Speaker 2 The thing about that first one is that it was different for a different generation. Like for Simon, I remember he always said it was James Bolan who was who had a rib removed.

Speaker 2 And for me, it was obviously Michael Jackson. James Bowman, who's that? It was always Marilyn Manson for us.
James Bowman, the counter tenor? Bloody, what's his name? Oh, do you mean Mark Bowl?

Speaker 2 Mark Bolin, Mark Bolin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.

Speaker 1 I thought James James Bowman was a celebrity I'd missed out on.

Speaker 2 That's fine.

Speaker 1 But yeah, like a quick fact check, by the way, quick chop, fact check. Judas did not betray Jesus by cheating in Magic the Gathering, just in case you want to bury him.

Speaker 2 We said a lot of shit on this podcast. We do talk a tremendous amount of shit on this podcast, but

Speaker 2 every once in a while, though,

Speaker 2 well, I don't know, actually. We'd have to fact check that.
Do we ever talk about serious stuff? We do. Yeah, occasionally.
Occasionally. Not always, though.

Speaker 1 No, we do occasionally talk about serious stuff.

Speaker 2 Leith Erickson did not discover Iceland. It is likely he was born there around a century after it was first settled.
Interesting. That is.

Speaker 1 I mean, so to say likely, it's likely he was born there, but he did not discover it. So, you know, that's interesting.
But Iceland, they probably found that quite early on.

Speaker 2 It's not that far.

Speaker 1 Greenland is what they think Leif Erickson discovered, right?

Speaker 2 Greenland. Maybe.
Greenland they discovered really early on because I think they were going to Greenland all the time, basically.

Speaker 2 Maybe. And then

Speaker 2 they just decided at some point, let's go a little bit further and that's how they discovered um the

Speaker 1 north america i mean i i guess but the thing is you can see oh we were always told that it was the nina the pinta and the santa maria that did it yeah that discovered the new world if you're in uh greenland if you're in the the very north you can see canada i'm sure it's pretty close I don't know.

Speaker 2 I've never been.

Speaker 2 I have family that lived in Goose Bay, if that helps.

Speaker 1 Maybe you can't see it. Maybe it is still too far away.
You can on a good day. you can see Calais from Dover, can't you?

Speaker 2 Apparently, you can see you can see

Speaker 2 the coast of France from here on a clear day. It's about 14 miles.

Speaker 2 14 miles away.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's still pretty far, though. Like, to be able to actually see very clearly the coast of another country, that's amazing.
It's kind of nuts, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But so I'm guessing if you could, I don't know, anyway. But yeah, the problem is that the bit that's closest to America and Canada and everything is in the very frozen north.

Speaker 1 I'm guessing they lived on the southern part of Greenland where it's probably quite green.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of lots of Greenland that is uninhabitable. Yeah.
It's like a long, bloody way, though.

Speaker 2 It's a long way, these distances.

Speaker 2 Iceland was one of these places that was just... Iceland and places like New Zealand were just sort of too far for until we had modern ships to really get to.

Speaker 2 And so they were never,

Speaker 2 did they have any, any, any sought-after resources at the time? Because that was normally what would sort of people would go and check places out.

Speaker 2 And if they had something that was useful, then they would set up shop sort of thing, you know. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it wasn't like it wasn't really just like,

Speaker 2 let's just colonize everywhere. Like, they wanted stuff, they wanted to integrate into the.

Speaker 1 Do you think that the reason the Vikings went out and did that shit is because they wanted stuff? Yeah. Just thought, I don't know what resources they absolutely did.

Speaker 2 They, their

Speaker 2 part of their sort of culture was,

Speaker 2 was raiding, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 2 to make to make offerings to the gods and stuff.

Speaker 1 It wasn't that money and women that they were off to.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like, so my question is: like, they put out for raising them. For places to plunder, I mean, that's what they, that's why they attacked,

Speaker 2 well, everywhere that they attacked, basically. That's

Speaker 1 just, that's just free loot. That's like, like, shoplifting.

Speaker 2 No, no, but it was, it was like, uh, it was all, it all like, um, they would capture people to do blood sacrifices to the gods. They They didn't do blood sacrifices.
They did offerings and stuff.

Speaker 2 Well, I watched like seven seasons of Vikings, and there were a couple.

Speaker 2 Fair enough. I don't know if that was.
Unless they got that wrong.

Speaker 1 But the point is that if you're sailing off to the frozen waste of Greenland and you found like no one there or whatever, are they still you're not going to bring them back? It's too far.

Speaker 1 Like they're going out there to colonize.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know if they were really.

Speaker 2 I think they always came back.

Speaker 2 All this stuff is very much a process process of very gradual, very slow progress, right?

Speaker 2 Like what you have is you have people living in a place who are having fishing boats, so fishing boats going out, going further and further, learning the waters, learning the things over hundreds of years and realizing, oh, look, there's a little bit of land here, or this is a shallow area.

Speaker 2 Maybe there's something if we keep going. And then they have...
you know, curious people go and explore to see if there is something out there.

Speaker 2 And then they meet a coastline and then they follow that coastline. And then that's how they end up, you know, at the next place down, you know,

Speaker 2 it's like the Sims, but in real life, you know, like they discover a new creek and that do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, you know, like it opens up a new area for them. Yeah, it's all very grand.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I love the Sims speak. It really makes me laugh.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, it's now

Speaker 2 owned by the Saudis. Saudis owned Sims.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 EA. Yeah, really.

Speaker 2 I guess, yeah, I suppose probably there's another Sims in the works, but it's really just FC

Speaker 2 Battlefield. I guess there's new Battlefield coming out.

Speaker 1 There is a new Sims apparently in the works, but there's that one that came out in the meantime that's made by a different company. I can't remember what it's like.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. What's it called? Like, is

Speaker 1 something where it's got a weird name? It's like a lot of these things. It's got a name that made no sense.
But what about all those comedians that went over to do that?

Speaker 2 Saudi Arabia, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of uh, there's been a lot of backlash on that that was crazy a lot of i mean especially mainly because a lot of big names that swore they would never do something like that that went over or that they're like i should be able to see what i say what i want and then they go there and they're like oh but i'm happy for the money to say what i to be doing what i can and can't say like that's pretty disgraceful that's what gets me i think if you just went there and just ignored the fact that you know there's some dodgy shit happening you know at least you as long as you've never said anything and you go out there and you're allowed to just say what you like you go out there and criticize them openly and say that's fucked up, then, you know, fair enough.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. Well, then here's the thing

Speaker 2 about Bill Burr. He always struck me as the kind of guy who's like,

Speaker 2 so I beat my wife, who cares? It's just a thing, right? I beat my wife, whatever, right? He was always that kind of guy, right? A bit of a scumbag. Like, I want to make America great again.

Speaker 2 What's with all these brown people coming over here? Do you know what I mean? He was always kind of...

Speaker 1 I don't think he ever gave off racist vibes.

Speaker 2 Well, but he always thinks he's a lot of people. He is from Boston, though, but his wife is black as well, isn't she?

Speaker 1 I think she's Latina, isn't she?

Speaker 2 Oh, Oh, right. Whatever.
I just got the vibe.

Speaker 2 I don't actually think he's racist. I don't know much about him otherwise, though.
But then sort of he became this very left-wing darling, right?

Speaker 2 Where he would talk up, he would talk up like all of the goods. He would talk up, he would talk up the whole...

Speaker 2 It's like he went full Russell Brand, basically, and became like this darling of the left-wing. No.

Speaker 2 But now he's gone back to it. Wait, isn't Russell Brand like a big like religious nut now?

Speaker 1 Oh, we're just in time for the allegations to come in against Russell Brand. He was like, I've discovered Jesus.

Speaker 2 Yes, yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 I feel like this just shows Bill Burris two colours, though. It's that he's just, he's just,

Speaker 2 he doesn't care.

Speaker 1 No, he literally, the reason people are so angry is because he really did have a lot of stuff to say about how Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't go there. They're cutting people's heads off, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 Like, he was really vociferous in his, I ain't fucking going.

Speaker 2 Well, but he's been woke on every topic lately. He's been, again, he's a darling.
He's like everything he's, you know, he's been standing up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but mainly because it's almost like someone's dad who's not a Trump voter. Like you're kind of shocked that a guy like him is actually not on board with all this right.

Speaker 2 Especially because he sort of was before. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So it's like, it's almost like, oh, we've won him over.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. He's on our team now.

Speaker 1 The thing is, like, Aziz Ansari has a movie coming out, has money, and it's like, how much could they be giving you?

Speaker 1 You're willing to go over there and then go on Jimmy Kimmel and defend why you did it and look like the guiltiest dude ever, by the way. His defense was like, um,

Speaker 2 like literally wide-eyed terror the whole time, trying to defend himself.

Speaker 1 None of them, like, how much money could it be?

Speaker 1 Are you not successful enough? Is Dave Chappelle not rich enough? Is Kevin Hart not rich enough?

Speaker 2 Wait, Kevin Hart went to?

Speaker 2 I haven't really followed much of this to be. I mean, they're doing all these videos.
Really,

Speaker 1 you and me, royal family. Let's hang out, bros.
Yeah, It's like, just stop being so fucking greedy. You guys are unbelievable.
They ain't got bills to pay.

Speaker 1 If someone's got a mortgage to pay and they have to do this because it's like, well, it's this or nothing. I haven't already made it.
I need this money. They own what I do.

Speaker 1 I'm in the same position in esports, right? Esports is owned by gambling, by crypto, and by the Saudis. That's just the truth of it.

Speaker 1 But I also have bills to pay that are not paid in the same way that all of Kevin Hart's bills forever are paid. Dave Chappelle never needs to work again.

Speaker 1 None of these fucking guys ever need to do this for the money. They're just being greedy.
And that is what drives people to be.

Speaker 2 I feel like at this point, I'd be happy if Dave Chappelle never did work again. Like, I used to really like him.
I used to really like him.

Speaker 2 He was so funny.

Speaker 2 I can't listen to him at all.

Speaker 2 He's good to go. He's good.
All of these people who went. That's a great list of people to just cancel.
Let's get rid of all them.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I don't know enough about all of them, but dude, comedy is meant to speak truth to power. No problem.

Speaker 2 It's always meant to speak truth to power.

Speaker 2 A lesbian comic who went and performed at this big comedy festival. And that's a country where if you're a lesbian, you get imprisoned and tortured and killed.

Speaker 2 I'm hoping that.

Speaker 1 It would be great. It would be great if they liberalised.

Speaker 2 Install Blender before you go to Saudi Arabia. Yeah, retain Blender.

Speaker 2 They check your phone when you land.

Speaker 2 You've got Blender on here. You must be a lesbian.

Speaker 1 It's just crazy to me that these guys are so rich and they could easily have taken some kind of stand here, but they just decided not to. I mean, how much money can it be?

Speaker 1 I mean, are we talking that they're offering Dave Chappelle like $50 million to go out there? Are they paying Bill Burr $25 million to go out there?

Speaker 1 Because those are the sorts of money where people will just go, do you know what? I can't turn that down. Can it possibly be that much?

Speaker 1 Because if it's $100,000 to do this show, they can go fuck themselves. These guys are millionaires multiple times over.
And it's still not enough. Fuck them.

Speaker 1 Get them off the list of comedians and just call them what they are. They're just shills.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, apparently she has donated her fee to a human rights organization and apologised.
So what if she

Speaker 1 didn't commit to doing that in the first place?

Speaker 2 They all went out there and said, yeah, we'll go. She has expressed sincere regret for the comedy festival.

Speaker 1 If they had agreed, if they had said at the start, yeah, I'm going, but I'm giving every single penny to this charity ahead of time, people would have probably been like, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 But they didn't, of course. Now they're trying to claw back some respect.

Speaker 2 I think they've lost so much respect. I think there was a big backlash on this for sure.

Speaker 2 And I think I've seen a lot of the backlash, but I haven't really

Speaker 2 followed it overly. But again, I don't really follow any comedians.
I don't regularly watch any comedians.

Speaker 2 Comedy for me died when poor old Norm McDonald passed away.

Speaker 1 That was only a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 I know. I haven't.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 here's like the thing is, like, she says this stuff, this wonderful stuff, which is like, you know, this is, you know, I got a guarantee from the government that I'd be able to perform LGBT material and I hope that this could help LGBTQ plus people in Saudi Arabia feel seen and valued.

Speaker 2 You can tell, right, the Saudi government just had cameras going. Anyone who went to her show, they put their names on the list, right? What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 You know, and then they're going to be all rounded up and fucking, you know, sent to whatever the equivalent of the gulag is. Do you know what I mean? It's not fucking good.

Speaker 1 I mean, the problem is if you are in Saudi Arabia and you criticize the government, if you're a journalist or you're critical of the government or the royal family, they will lock you up.

Speaker 1 Like, that is just a fact. There's no fucking around with that.
Now, if they had had this comedy festival and said, we are being completely open, you guys can say whatever you want.

Speaker 1 We don't do that controlling speech. You want here, you can say what you want.
You come here, you can do what you want in the comedy festival. But they didn't.

Speaker 1 They gave them a bunch of topics they can't talk about. And that is what a lot of people who talk about, you can't say anything these days.
Oh, you get kind of sending them freedom of speech.

Speaker 1 They're happy to step all over that for money. And that, I think, is what people are most annoyed about.
You cannot fly a flag for freedom of speech and say, we should be able to say what we want.

Speaker 1 You can't silence comedy, but then go like, oh, sorry, how much money? Oh, yeah, I won't ever mention those things. It's like, well, then why are you being so disingenuous? Just shit you've said.

Speaker 1 Fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 I always kind of got bad vibes about Aziz Ansari and Bill Burr and all these people

Speaker 2 in the same way that you have bad vibes. Listen, you have bad vibes about Andy Serkis for no reason.
I understand what you're saying. For no reason, you have to look this guy up.

Speaker 2 I think there's a much better reason to have bad vibes about all of the people that went to this comedy festival. Andy Serkis doesn't look like he's got terrible hygiene problems, you talk.

Speaker 2 He just looks like a normal guy. I think Hat Films hung out with him, dude.
And they'll tell you. He probably smells nice.
He's probably nice. I'm just saying.
How films got to hang out with him?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they did a thing with him.

Speaker 2 He's 61 years old. Ask him about it when you're down.
I'm 61 years old.

Speaker 2 I'm 61 years old. I'm going to be learning how to programming Eugene.

Speaker 2 I'm a bricky. I'm going to bricky my whole life on a brick.
He's clearly like

Speaker 2 that.

Speaker 2 He was in Lord of the Rings. Yes, he was Gollum.
Oh, no, that's in 2027. Sorry.

Speaker 2 He was Gollum. He was a bad man.

Speaker 2 War for the Planet of the Apes. The Lord of the Rings Fellowship.
Oh, yeah. There you go.

Speaker 2 Have you never heard of him before?

Speaker 1 Have you never heard of him before?

Speaker 2 No, I have heard heard of him before. I just didn't realize it was

Speaker 2 this person.

Speaker 2 I see.

Speaker 2 I have very little knowledge about this man, but he seems fine. I don't know what the problem is.

Speaker 2 What's the beef?

Speaker 1 Just do your research, mate. That's all I can say on that.

Speaker 2 I've just done a very, very, very brief amount of research, and my conclusion is that this guy seems like he's probably a fine guy. Well, there you go.
So I ask you once again, what's the beef?

Speaker 1 It's just a vibe.

Speaker 2 It's just a bad vibe. He just

Speaker 2 has a bad vibe about him.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, when you you see someone...

Speaker 2 Would you be rude to him if you met him in real life? No, never, never, never, never.

Speaker 2 I'm not rude to people. Who would you be rude to in real life? Lewis?

Speaker 2 I'm trying to be rude to them.

Speaker 1 If someone was really, if someone had like, if I had some kind of beef with someone, I generally, if there's someone I don't like, I just ignore them. Whether that's rude or whatever, I don't know.

Speaker 1 But if there's someone I don't like, I will just, I won't engage with them. Like, I'm not going to waste my time.

Speaker 1 You're not going to fix fix someone who you find annoying or that you don't get on with or anything. Just move on.

Speaker 2 That's too short anyway. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I don't need to work that hard on

Speaker 2 someone. That's for sure.

Speaker 1 See, look, it looks in this picture that you said like Trotty's trying to hold his breath because Andy Serkis smells so bad.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 In that still that you posted in the Discord.

Speaker 2 Trotty's like, oh, we've got

Speaker 1 he's just waiting for someone to open a window.

Speaker 2 Maybe he's got some really poopy diapers. Maybe he's

Speaker 2 posted a

Speaker 2 screenshot from the Hatfields video where they met Andy Serkis, and I remember this because they're all sat there on a sofa looking really bored, playing some fucking thing on the telly.

Speaker 2 Uh, look like they're having a miserable time, yeah, really looks bad.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, there he is.

Speaker 2 He's just sitting there with Trot.

Speaker 1 And uh, do you reckon when when Andy Serkis does something disgusting that he apologizes for it in the golem voice? Do you reckon? He's like, Oh, I just

Speaker 2 wish

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 this is some unfair shade, Beard. This is really who I think is.

Speaker 2 I'm sure

Speaker 1 I'm sure he's fine. It's just

Speaker 2 fine.

Speaker 2 It's just funny. It's just funny.
If you're a big fan of Bilberr, I'm sure he doesn't beat his wife. I'm sure he's fine.

Speaker 2 I don't think I've ever seen any Bilberr stand-up. I know.

Speaker 1 It's pretty mid.

Speaker 2 But I haven't ever watched him do a stand-up.

Speaker 1 Most of these big stand-up comedians, they're not really that funny.

Speaker 2 They're okay.

Speaker 1 A lot of them were better when they were younger, I think. But

Speaker 1 you know, Louis C.K., I think his stand-up is okay like when it was good now you know he's kind of done all this creepy stuff he's not been cancelled as such though has he well he's he's somehow he's somehow slalomed around yeah he just takes some time off and come back and make a joke about it and people for pretend it didn't happen and it's something that people can overlook a lot i think he's lost a lot of his fan base through what he's done no well his fan base doesn't give a fuck really the thing is his tv his tv show louie is genuinely a brilliant brilliant show i watched some of that Is that the one where

Speaker 2 it has the big thing? He's trying to go through customs at the airport and he's got like a gallon of lube in his all that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like it's genuinely, I think his stand-up I don't really enjoy. I never really did, but that show is a piece of brilliance, an absolute piece of comedy brilliance.

Speaker 1 And I think it's a real shame that he turned out to be a no-good Nick because that show is brilliant. And I really, really like that.

Speaker 1 And a lot of these guys, I think, I'd like them in stuff other than their stand-up. Like their stand-up is the worst part of their career.
I mean, Jerry Seinfeld's stand-up, for example, is so lame.

Speaker 1 It's just the most mid. Do you ever notice? Like, it's like literally boring, boring, boring.

Speaker 2 Oh, God. Seinfeld.

Speaker 2 He went through, he's gone through these such hateful phases, too. Like, you know, like

Speaker 2 the show Seinfeld is great, but then when he went through the whole sort of like, he's some,

Speaker 2 some comedy scientist thing, you know, like almost like he was like the gatekeeper of comedy. Like, yeah.

Speaker 2 He went went through that phase, and now he's just in this like super hateful phase. Like, maybe he always has been, I don't know, but like, uh, like, what the hell happens to people?

Speaker 2 He's 71 years old, they're gonna keep working,

Speaker 2 you know. Uh, what happens to people, though? Why do people just go so insane? Like, I don't feel like any of us have gone insane.
I mean, we've always been insane.

Speaker 2 We've always been just like the same old, pretty much.

Speaker 1 He dated a 17-year-old dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 this is while they were doing seinfeld as well like she was really so shanna that's her name yeah yeah but like i saw a clip of him and he was he was being hateful and his son was being hateful and stuff as well and i just think why why

Speaker 2 why do you have so much

Speaker 2 on edge man but like why why why choose to just be so hateful like you know he's got all the money in the world he's got i know he's got all the privilege that that money affords and everything like why just choose to be such a a piece of shit with it you know like why yeah it's a shame if And especially if you feel like you have opinions or whatever that conflict with so many other people's opinions and stuff, man, you've got so much money.

Speaker 2 Just keep them to yourself. Like, why do we need to even see you? Like, most people would make as much money as he's made, and you would never see them again.

Speaker 2 They would quite happily just go off and do their own thing and just enjoy the freedom that their fortune affords them or whatever.

Speaker 2 But like, we just have to constantly hear from these people all the time.

Speaker 1 It's just ego, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I feel like politics is the same these days, too.
It's all, it's these people with like just so much money and just think, why are you doing this?

Speaker 2 You've got everything. You, you do not need to do this.
Like, just leave it.

Speaker 1 But they want to, they think that the next level is that the money is the one thing, right? And the lifestyle and everything.

Speaker 2 But now it's like, well, I'm also important.

Speaker 1 And the things that I have to say and what I believe is therefore also important. So it's time that I really put my stamp on things and save the world.

Speaker 1 And they just get committed to some ideology, and that becomes their entire focus and personality. And all right, do you want

Speaker 2 blues news? Yes, please.

Speaker 1 So, uh, Andy Serkis found guilty of stinking the place up.

Speaker 2 Is that the headline? There is, there is, um, Andy Circus found guilty of wiping boogies

Speaker 1 on his girlfriend's sleeve.

Speaker 2 I've sent you a picture of four James Bond covers. Can you tell what's wrong with these? Can Can you tell what's wrong with these? Oh, is it AI? Hang on.
Nope, they're actual James Bond covers.

Speaker 1 Is it the wrong body with the different head?

Speaker 2 Sean? Look at the GoldenEye one particularly, and the Doctor No one particularly. And look at their hands.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 They're all doing like a fist. It almost looks like...
Chris Brosnan looks like he's just putting a surgical glove on to fist somebody.

Speaker 2 Now, why do you think his fist would be like that shape?

Speaker 1 Because he's wanking off.

Speaker 2 No, because he was holding something that's been digitally erased. Oh, they've had a gun removed.
So they they all were holding a gun. Oh, and they've all had the gun.
Oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 Doctor No, Sean Connery looks like he would have been holding a gun there as well. Yes,

Speaker 2 Amazon has been digitally erasing guns from the James Bond posters. Just the posters.

Speaker 1 Because often the film opens with someone getting shot.

Speaker 2 So what's the point?

Speaker 1 Well, in fact, the intro for James Bond has the

Speaker 1 and the camera pans to him and he turns and shoots you, the audience.

Speaker 2 So what's the point?

Speaker 2 I know, and I don't really understand why this is happening. Um, I assume,

Speaker 2 I assume maybe it's the James Bond people are trying to make them more following Amazon's rules or something, or something's going on in that someone thinks that if you have a gun in the thumbnail, you know, it'll be penalized by the algorithm or something like this.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, it's the world we're living in now, right? Where, you know, people are so crazy about these little things that you know

Speaker 1 so who knows by the way the sun and the daily mail have denounced this as woke right is it woke what the they could just call anything woke anything

Speaker 2 just

Speaker 2 they do call everything woke that's the thing

Speaker 2 this is the this is the world we live in now uh

Speaker 2 where everything

Speaker 2 everything that uh goes against what certain people think uh is just immediately denounced as as woke and like that's a like such a bad thing you know like it's just so it's crazy that's bizarre isn't it um

Speaker 2 so a uh do you want to know the reason why we have fingers and it's your and like if i try and ask you to guess so that we can shoot james bond's gun with uh with nice with our fingers so is it is it so you can finger girls come on no it's i'm just asking he said it's not the reason you think how is that an evolutionary

Speaker 2 because it gets him all turned on?

Speaker 2 Right, I see.

Speaker 1 I mean, you are used to my first guess would be eating food. And of course, oh, no, it's not that.
Manipulating tools.

Speaker 2 But if you didn't have fingers, you would not be able to pick your nose. You would not be able to pick your bum either.
Are you ready for the answer, according to a paper

Speaker 2 written from nature or wherever? It is fish buttholes. Fish buttholes are the reason we have fingers, a study has discovered.

Speaker 2 Apparently,

Speaker 2 new research into the origins of the formation of digits shows that the DNA switch controlling finger and toe development got a tumble start regulating the formation of fish cloaccas 380 million years ago.

Speaker 1 So my hand is a fish cloaca.

Speaker 2 It has evolved from that. I mean, in a sense, we are worms, right? Our mouth and our anus are linked.
Spore of a worm. Basically, we started off as spore.

Speaker 2 We are just, well, but, but, okay, we were a spore.

Speaker 2 And now, and then we were a worm, and now we're like a fucking hairy appendage attached to a worm with fingers.

Speaker 1 Just described me perfectly.

Speaker 1 A hairy appendage attached to a worm with fish anuses for hands.

Speaker 2 That's me.

Speaker 2 That is not news, is it? But thank you. It's good, though.
Well,

Speaker 2 that study sounds like it went.

Speaker 2 It sounds like everybody involved on that study started smoking crack very early on into

Speaker 2 the study. I don't know how you get these outcomes from such a study.

Speaker 2 How do you get there?

Speaker 2 How did they get 380 million years ago? And why fish anus as well? Did you see the Red Dead Redemption 2 mod?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 That when you kill an NPC, it goes into that NPC's head and it plays them, their mem, it plays you

Speaker 2 their best memories. Oh my god.
God, that's horrifying.

Speaker 2 So they have like a, you know,

Speaker 2 incredible. It's like they're having their

Speaker 2 whole life flashes before their eyes before you before they die. But you, but you kill them and they, their life flashes before their eyes, but you see it.
And it's like them holding a baby.

Speaker 2 Like, oh, my God. Is there any, it would be so good if there, if there was some way where it could capture your parts of your interactions with them as well.

Speaker 2 You know, like they're standing on the street and they just see you ride by, but it's like not

Speaker 2 staged footage. It's like actually captured from you at some point riding by them or something.
You know what I mean? That would be funny. That would be such a funny thing to have an explanation.

Speaker 2 It's honestly pretty wild. There's been a bunch of YouTubers who've been playing it.
It's a really funny mod. And the guy who made it,

Speaker 2 like, for example, there's

Speaker 2 like, you know, you'll kill this guy and he'll, he'll do like a, he'll, you'll, it'll cut to him having like a monologue about Rick and Morty or something. It's, oh, it's, it's good.
It's good stuff.

Speaker 2 It's funny stuff. Um, finally, Hideo Kojima,

Speaker 2 uh, you know, him, the crazy Japanese game dev. He famously

Speaker 2 is,

Speaker 2 um,

Speaker 2 there's a, he famously thinks it's a ghost that haunted his production studio. Right.
Okay. Yeah.
And he has been trying and has succeeded. This is unlistenable.

Speaker 2 You've got to get it. You keep coming out every 10 seconds.

Speaker 2 Hideo Kojima

Speaker 2 had a ghost haunting his studio. Say yes if you hear me.
Yes, you missed a bit of that.

Speaker 1 I heard Hideo Kojima and haunting a studio.

Speaker 2 Ghost haunting. I thought he was still alive.
There's a ghost haunting

Speaker 2 Hideo Kajima's studio, yes. Yes, there's a ghost haunting Hideo Kojima's studio.
Right. And he has recorded it.

Speaker 1 Okay. He's recorded it.

Speaker 2 Yes, he's recorded it.

Speaker 1 He's recorded it.

Speaker 2 And he's going to put the sound of the ghost into his upcoming horror game. Right.
Cool. Good for him.
That wraps up this week's podcast.

Speaker 2 Forgot to say, well, I shouldn't have really been here. No, no, you did a great job.
It was just really.

Speaker 2 Your internet let you down.

Speaker 1 That was all it is.

Speaker 2 It was very, it was very concise,

Speaker 2 the relay of information. That's what we need.
Yeah, concision.

Speaker 1 Concision. Concision.

Speaker 2 Or is it conciseness?

Speaker 1 Conciseness.

Speaker 1 Consistency. Let us know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let us know.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go back to bed. Yeah, go to bed.

Speaker 1 Get some tablets in you. Right, bye.

Speaker 2 Bye, everybody. Thank you for listening.

Speaker 2 Goodbye.

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