201: Any Upside to Evil? Ft. Gabby Windey

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Speaker 2 Will they not even forgive me, but understand, like, I'm not PC?

Speaker 2 You know? So, like, don't come here. Come

Speaker 2 here if you want to be offended, but don't come here like looking for,

Speaker 2 you know, good takes.

Speaker 1 They're all terrible. Okay, I love that this is the energy we're starting off with today.

Speaker 1 This is gonna be so, so good. And I know hearing you say this, I know I picked the right theme for you.

Speaker 2 I'm so excited because is it still like Reddit?

Speaker 1 Like still Reddit. Okay, and a lot of people get scared because like, you know, I'm a Reddit sluice.
Are you? Yes.

Speaker 2 You know, sometimes when you're so hungover, you need to feel something and preferably it's like something bad.

Speaker 1 I feel so bad about how much I drank and blacking out that I just need to feel worse about something else.

Speaker 2 Right. Like I need to have some kind of emotion and I need a distraction.
So one time I watched my ex-boyfriend's wedding live on Instagram stories when I was

Speaker 2 so hungover. It did the job.

Speaker 1 I felt all right. I would have needed a padded room.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, literally, I should have been admitted to the hospital.

Speaker 1 Checking yourself into the ICU where you were

Speaker 2 so then when I was on bachelorette, I did a similar thing. I was so hungover.
I forget where I was, but I was in like an Airbnb and then I looked up my name and it got the job done. It was terrible.

Speaker 2 And I haven't been back.

Speaker 1 Thank God. Cause that's a form of self-harm that should not be repeated.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, I agree.

Speaker 1 And like haters means you made it.

Speaker 2 I know it's trite and it's like, but like Cardi B, I feel like is wise in some ways. And

Speaker 2 I don't know. It just really rings true.

Speaker 2 It's like, if you hate me so much and you're going to talk about me, like, why are you thinking about me so much thank you you know that's the question i i've been asking yeah

Speaker 2 because the people i've never been involved no and the people i hate the most or like not hate but want to talk about like i am incredibly jealous but i'll are you kind of i see the one like person that i'm just like

Speaker 1 about like I well there's actually no there's more than one

Speaker 1 yeah but I just like I literally they pop up and I'm like

Speaker 1 I'm not jealous at all I actually, I feel so much pity.

Speaker 1 Maybe pity is not the right word.

Speaker 2 Like, just like, what actions on their end

Speaker 2 make you feel pity? I don't, I don't know if I feel,

Speaker 1 yeah. I'm just like, I feel so bad.

Speaker 2 You just totally, because this is coming from a bad place.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, you're just such a bad person.
Yeah. And I know how bad of a person you are.

Speaker 1 And other people don't and they like you.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, I like having that insight too. Like I like being on the right side of history.
I'm so, I told you so. Oh, I will never keep it in.

Speaker 1 I have such a hard time. My mom and my brother just like got a new couch recently.
And I told them, I was like, that's not going to fit. I was like, that's not going to fucking fit.

Speaker 1 And they get it in the house and it doesn't fit. And they go.
And you're like, yes. I go, I literally go, I told you so.
Yeah. She's like, I just needed one.
I just needed one. Literally.

Speaker 1 But our theme today, which, first of all, guys, you might have recognized her amazing voice or her beautiful face if you're watching on YouTube. But today's host is the lovely Gabby Wendy.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.

Speaker 1 I'm blown away. I did, I told you, I did like a full deep dive on you because I like, I hate not being prepared.

Speaker 1 But you, no, you have lived so many lives. Yeah.
ICU nurse, Denver Broncos cheerleader. Yeah.
On The Bachelor, then The Bachelorette, which splitting a season, they robbed you.

Speaker 1 Then dancing with the stars, you got robbed. You should have won.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a national upset. People just like, God.
Yeah, they just like, these things blow over.

Speaker 1 Your dancing was insane.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Insane. Yeah.
Now you're on Traitors, which also

Speaker 1 I'm obsessed.

Speaker 1 I'm just like, this is the greatest show. How have I never seen this? I'm just like, I'm blown away by you.
And like every clip I watch, like,

Speaker 1 first of all, I love how much you scared Alfonso on Dancing with the Stars.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. He was the best.

Speaker 1 He like didn't know how to handle you. And he was like, you could tell he was kind of scared.
Like, what's Gabby going to say next?

Speaker 1 But then, like, just all of your clips, like, you are so emotionally intelligent.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Like, you really are just tuned in and with it.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 I'm just, I don't want to, I don't want it to go to your head too much.

Speaker 2 You know, no, my head can barely fit, but I'm like, it does come with side effects.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 empathy kills me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, literally. I wish I could back off a little bit.
Well, Ann, what's your sign? I'm a Pisces, which

Speaker 1 I was offended. You said Pisces, better luck next time.
I was like, this bitch. Maybe I don't like her so much.
No.

Speaker 2 My co-bachelorette, Rachel, is a Pisces.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, but other than that, I haven't really met a lot, honestly. Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're just at home crying.
Literally.

Speaker 2 I'm like, it just feels like you're very emotional.

Speaker 1 I'm already crying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Actually.

Speaker 2 are you okay?

Speaker 1 I'm just,

Speaker 1 or I'll just start, dude.

Speaker 1 No, I'm a laugh-crier.

Speaker 2 It's concerning. No, that's the best.

Speaker 1 I love when people laugh-cry.

Speaker 2 I did it once the other day.

Speaker 1 I'm just like, okay, literally, why did I put bottom mascara on?

Speaker 2 But back to emotional intelligence.

Speaker 2 Sometimes it's like it teeters on the line of judgy.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, oh my God, there's no hope for you.

Speaker 2 And then I'll continue to pick apart in my head. So I'm like, I'm trying to come off of that.
I'm not judging you.

Speaker 1 Okay, thank you.

Speaker 2 No, I already

Speaker 1 perceived.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. I already like you immediately.
Yes. Obviously.
Me. Come on, imagine.

Speaker 1 I passed the Gabby bar.

Speaker 2 No, I know. This is so crazy, but I don't want you.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I'm setting the tone. I don't want you to think that I'm like came in here and sit and I'm like, you know, this is my chugging.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Actually, okay, please like just, I'm going to put a muzzle on.

Speaker 1 No, unmuzzle, unfiltered. I want bad takes.
I want devil's advocate. I want it all.

Speaker 1 Today's theme, because obviously you're on traders right now.

Speaker 1 And I literally, before I started watching the show, I was like, okay, good theme for Gabby. Like maybe it's friend or foe.
Like

Speaker 1 it's a slippery slope, a fine line. I started the show and Alan Cummings is literally like friend or foe.
And I was like, the fuck? Okay, this feels meant to be.

Speaker 1 But the more I got into these stories, I'm like,

Speaker 1 it's very clear. A lot of them are faux.
A lot of them are very like evil.

Speaker 1 So I changed it a little bit. And what I'm working with right now, it could change by the time it comes out.
Sometimes my titles do,

Speaker 1 but it's more along the lines of like, is there any good in this evil?

Speaker 1 Is there a silver lining here? Yeah. Because as you will see, these people are unhinged.
Right. But maybe there's a little

Speaker 1 upside. Maybe not.

Speaker 2 Totally.

Speaker 1 But you and your emotional intelligence, I feel like you would be the one to find it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Let's hear it.
Now I'm like getting nervous.

Speaker 1 He bought this. You're going to crush it.
Let's dive in.

Speaker 1 Oh, how do I want to start you off today?

Speaker 2 Give it to me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This one is coming from AITAH and my asshole, basically.

Speaker 2 These I love because I feel like if it's always a woman writing in, they're clearly not the asshole. This is from my data,

Speaker 2 which is pretty good.

Speaker 1 Did you do a double-blind study?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I did all the research in my head. I'm obviously unbiased, being a raging misandress.

Speaker 1 Is that what people tell you?

Speaker 2 No, self-proclaimed.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
Taking it on.

Speaker 2 Literally, which I just found out what that word meant. Like me.
Maybe. Yeah, maybe a couple months ago.
I'm like, what is this new word misandry? And how have I not been using it by now?

Speaker 2 But if a man writes in, he's always the asshole.

Speaker 1 We're going to see. This first one is coming from a guy.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 Am I the asshole? My wife wants me to set a budget for sex as a part of her stay-at-home mom role.

Speaker 2 What is it? So he's going to pay her for sex?

Speaker 1 She wants him to set a budget.

Speaker 2 I think that's genius.

Speaker 1 I, the male 33, am the breadwinner in our family of four. My wife is a stay-at-home mom, and it's a decision we both agreed on.

Speaker 1 I take care of everything financially, food, clothes, bills, household needs, et cetera. Problem is, my wife wants me to set a budget for sex.

Speaker 1 Meaning, she wants to get money for it as she considers it a part of her stay-at-home mom duties.

Speaker 1 I love her.

Speaker 1 Her absurd and unreasonable suggestion, now demand, has has caused a huge fight between us. She said it is her right since she'd work all day and take care of the house and kids then.

Speaker 1 Then she has to stay up at night so we can have sex together. And it's exhausting for her and time consuming, as she put it.

Speaker 2 She's giving me ideas.

Speaker 1 I felt extremely upset and disappointed in her behavior, but she says she's in the right and that I'm being too selfish to see it. She keeps demanding it, but I refused.
Am I the asshole here?

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know if you're an asshole, but your wife clearly doesn't like you.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 just, I'm like,

Speaker 1 it feels a little goofy to like charge your husband for sex. Yeah.
I'm like, you're, you're pimping yourself out, ma'am. Right.

Speaker 2 But it's like, what a safe space to do it. Like, I'm all about sex work.
And she literally is giving me ideas. I'm going to take this home to Robbie immediately.
Like, I want to have compensation. Um,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 yeah, they're always like, it's about communication.

Speaker 1 I mean, she's communicating. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's like, she's thinking about sex as a job. It's not something that she willingly wants to do for pleasure.
It's like, is he making her come?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Right. No.

Speaker 2 There's like things left out of the story. If the sex is her just sucking your little dick for however long.
Like she deserves compensation because it is a part of her housewife duty. Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you're going down on her for hours, doing your due diligence, then maybe the price could be lower, but I still think there could be a price.

Speaker 1 $5 per blow job.

Speaker 1 Just a little something. Here's a coffee, babe.
Right. I, I don't know.
Like, I, so I just went to Amsterdam for the first time.

Speaker 2 Did you go to a sex show?

Speaker 1 I didn't. I was a little

Speaker 1 intimidated.

Speaker 2 We went.

Speaker 1 Robbie was a good woman.

Speaker 2 No, it was

Speaker 1 traumatizing. Really? Yes.

Speaker 2 We went to this one that was highly recommended by her.

Speaker 1 Because there's like, I'm trying to remember the names now. There was a Moulin Rouge there.

Speaker 2 Okay, it definitely wasn't that.

Speaker 1 And there was like, oh, what was the one that was really.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch. Yeah.
I'm like, if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 This one was packed. It was mostly packed with dudes.
I was like red flags sitting in the corner in in a very suspicious position.

Speaker 2 I know. Robbie and I were immediately like, oh my God, don't get too close.
We can't let anybody know we are lesbians because like we don't know what's going on here.

Speaker 2 Highly recommended by her lesbian friend who was just there, who was obviously very,

Speaker 2 what do you call it? When you're not getting a lot of sex and you're sexually deprived. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or like angst.

Speaker 1 Frustrated. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I am having word finding issues, which is like part for the course. So she is sexually frustrated, sat for three hours at this show.
You can just go. Anyway, she gave us the rec.

Speaker 1 We

Speaker 1 three hours.

Speaker 2 Yes. It was like, I just always think, like, yeah, are they being well compensated? Do they have the right to say no? Like, that was immediately where my mind went because this guy's dick was.

Speaker 2 a weapon. It was huge.

Speaker 2 It was, it could like penetrate her chest cavity.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, she could have been kebabbed. But back to this one.
Yeah. Should she be able to charge? And should he have to set a budget?

Speaker 2 It's definitely not normal

Speaker 2 to ask for compensation for sex with your husband. But it's like, I want to know where her mindset is because, yeah, I feel like if it feels like a duty for her, there must be a reason behind it.

Speaker 2 So it's like naturally like a man, I don't think he's giving us all the information.

Speaker 2 I do think they need to go to therapy and talk about it

Speaker 2 and like figure it out. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not for or against it.

Speaker 1 I'm very curious about the context. I will say, like, when I was looking for stories this week, I think there's an epidemic of bad sex or like unequal sex.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The amount of stories I saw from like, please help me be attracted to my boyfriend. We've been together for seven years and I've never come.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 be a lesbian.

Speaker 1 Seven years?

Speaker 2 Why are you not making her come? Like, have you ever heard of a vibrator? Do you not believe in toys in the bedroom?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 Like, you

Speaker 1 grow up.

Speaker 1 I personally know multiple dudes. We've like, as a friend group, sat down and had this conversation.
They do not look at toys as okay. They think it's like replacing them and it's competition.

Speaker 2 It's like, no. it's like you're so insecure to like think like that.
It's like Robbie doesn't even have a dick and she makes me come more than any man.

Speaker 1 Why, why are they so threatened?

Speaker 2 And I just like, I see, I can't have an unbiased team.

Speaker 1 There's that misandry.

Speaker 2 It's the misandry. And it's like, I love Audacity.

Speaker 1 If so, you like it. You're like, I'm like,

Speaker 1 bitch.

Speaker 2 It's like, and being a stay-at-home mom is not easy.

Speaker 1 Hardest job there is.

Speaker 2 Yes, you get to leave the kids, and you get, I can barely take care of like the house. I'm so exhausted when I come home, but it's like you get to leave.

Speaker 2 You know, I used to be a nurse, and like, and the, the moms would be like, no, this is a break. And our job, our job, what you know, working in the hospital was grueling.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh my God, what are kids like? If this is, if this is like your respite, like, fuck that.

Speaker 1 It makes having kids sound so great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Do you want kids?

Speaker 1 Like, I go back and forth all the time. I'm kind of like in the position of like, if it happens, it happens.
I really don't want to be pregnant. It's like my problem.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, that concept like really freaks me out. Like a little thing, like potentially breaking my legs, making my or breaking room.
What the? Oh my gosh. Breaking room again.

Speaker 1 Are you excited? Well, some people's pelvis breaks when they come out.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Breaking my ribs.

Speaker 2 Some people lose their teeth.

Speaker 1 Your hair falls out. Where?

Speaker 2 You got to get off Reddit.

Speaker 1 You got to get off Reddit. Have you seen the girl with the list?

Speaker 2 No, but she, this is, yeah.

Speaker 2 As women, we are meant to have kids because also to contribute to the many lives, I am a dropout of sorts, which I think adds to my resume. I went to a year and a half of midwifery school.

Speaker 2 I was going to get my master's.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's cool.

Speaker 2 It's a, it's a a fun word to say, midwifery. Um, yeah, that's why I did it.

Speaker 1 It's a good pronunciation.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but um, so we learned a lot about pregnancy for someone who doesn't want kids.

Speaker 2 Like, I am extremely interested and cannot stop talking about like my vagina because I think it's a complex creature. I don't think we talk about it enough.

Speaker 1 No, we don't.

Speaker 2 Just like so much is going on. And like, I feel like I'm coming from a scientific standpoint.
So it's like more educational. But anyways, as a woman, we are meant to have babies.

Speaker 2 I don't know what this girl's doing losing her teeth. She needs to go to the dentist.

Speaker 1 No, like the baby needs so much calcium. And if you don't have enough, it just takes it from your teeth.

Speaker 2 What about a calcium supplement?

Speaker 1 Some people don't do it until it's too late and the teeth are just gone. Okay,

Speaker 2 I do think this is like, yes, an abnormal case, but I'm the opposite. I want to be pregnant, but I don't want to raise it.

Speaker 1 I'm looking for a surrogate.

Speaker 1 No joke.

Speaker 1 But no, it's really women's bodies are just so incredible.

Speaker 1 You'd really get into pelvic floor therapy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You should really get on that.
I fuck with kilos. That's a part of it.
Yeah. I want to do a dumbbell.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. You're giving that new show with Amy Adams, Night Bitch.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you seen the trailer where she's like, I can crack a walnut in my vagina?

Speaker 1 That's literally going to be you just carrying around a dumbbell.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I hear you can put a dumbbell on the end of it. What?

Speaker 2 I'm thinking of five-pounder, like one of those ones you get on Amazon that has that like weird material around it that you can like use at home.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 You know what you should just do is just use the bala.

Speaker 2 What's the bala?

Speaker 1 You know those bala bangles that everyone was obsessed with during COVID? The little arm weights. Okay.
They make like a pill. It literally looks like a beet pill pill.

Speaker 1 And it's like workout material silicone. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They have five pounders. See?

Speaker 1 And it's like a size. Everyone knows.
I don't have like actually any pelvic floor issues. It's like totally fine.

Speaker 2 If you're wondering, Robbie has nothing but good things to say.

Speaker 1 So like A plus report cards, people.

Speaker 2 Yes. This is just like purely curiosity.
Bucket list.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 2 I just like like the idea of it.

Speaker 1 I'm like that too. I just like wonder about things.
like like pegging. It's kind of one of those bucket list things.

Speaker 1 Like everyone, if you don't get curious about like obscure and random things, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 Right. What is there to live for?

Speaker 1 Nothing. Yeah.
You might as well be gone tomorrow. Right.

Speaker 1 Just running the rat wheel. Come on, mix it up a little.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Peg your husband. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I'm just going off the deep end with you today. Please hit me.
We literally,

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's appropriate for online. We'll, we'll reconvene.

Speaker 2 No, yeah. You can can bleep.
Yeah, that's my problem. It's like, I don't know what is appropriate for YouTube.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm not even monetized, so I can't get demonetized, but I'm definitely on-etized. I'm definitely on that route because I'm screaming things, I guess, that I shouldn't be screaming.

Speaker 1 Honestly, though, people love the chaos. So let's just plug it early.
If you want another amazing podcast to listen to, long-winded

Speaker 1 on YouTube, clearly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Let's get her monetized people actually please do the lord's work i was a nurse for eight years living paycheck to paycheck

Speaker 1 like my gosh give me a break and you were cheerleading at the same time as nursing weren't you

Speaker 1 which like you don't get you i've heard some nfl teams have to like buy their own uniforms um

Speaker 2 like all of them

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 The first thing when I first made the cheer squad and we have to like go over our contracts and documentation literally the first clause was like we are Denver Broncos cheerleaders LLC so immediately they're setting the tone that you are not a part of the NFL

Speaker 2 would do it again and again and again I love my tits and my chin like that is so empowering

Speaker 2 And shout out to the Victoria's Secret bombshell bra.

Speaker 1 Hey, yeah. There we go.

Speaker 2 Literally. We kept them in business.

Speaker 2 but yeah no we don't get paid anything i think i think as a cheerleader and as a nurse um i was making around forty thousand dollars a year forty to forty five like literally one of the most valuable pos professions we have nurses teachers and like why why do we pay them so poorly yeah i know terribly

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 moving along to the next one okay hit me oh my god i didn't even read the top comment i'm just i know that's what i have

Speaker 2 this is what i want to hear i know they're gonna be like whatever she shouldn't be doing that like so lame honestly

Speaker 1 so i read it as sex because i knew what word yeah but he wrote it as s

Speaker 2 comma x like he felt like he couldn't say sex or something yeah so the top comment you can say sex on the internet bud literally as it should because it's like i love when people comment like that on reddit because immediately they're like this is so throwaway Nobody gives a fuck.

Speaker 1 Next one, info. Does she have any spending money where she is not accountable to you for what she spends it on?

Speaker 1 It may just be that she has no breathing room when it comes to money and wants some that is hers for whatever she wants. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. I didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 Maybe there's some financial abuse here. And this is like her last

Speaker 1 flaw and chance to get an allowance.

Speaker 2 Totally. Because

Speaker 2 right. Because then he should already, one, he should address it and he should already be like understanding that.

Speaker 2 And two, I don't know. I'm, I'm obviously full of shit and speaking from a place of, I don't know, but it's like, who cares? Just pay her.
But that I understand that it would make him feel like

Speaker 2 it's more procedural.

Speaker 1 But this already feels procedural. Like something here is clearly not.
Right. Right.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think she's being satisfied because otherwise if you were being satisfied and it was like a mutually beneficial thing, which is what sex should be,

Speaker 1 you wouldn't ask for money for it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, totally.
Huh. I know.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well,

Speaker 1 on to the next one.

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Speaker 1 My 29 male girlfriend, 27 female, has a blackmail folder on her computer. She has one on me, too.

Speaker 1 What should be my next move? Oh,

Speaker 2 I'm speechless. A blackmail folder.

Speaker 1 Let's get into this one. Okay.

Speaker 1 So I've been with my girlfriend for about six months, and we've had zero big issues. We have opposite personalities.
I always try to be chill, and she's more strict and more of a decision maker.

Speaker 1 She comes from money and works for her family's corporation.

Speaker 1 And she's told me that it changed her brain chemistry because she has to work really hard to be taken seriously because of her age and relation to the business.

Speaker 2 Ken really, as a nurse, so you start young and nobody takes you seriously, especially doctors. And it's like, well, what did you hire me for?

Speaker 1 She's someone that has to have control over every decision and has a way of getting her way, even with something as simple as deciding where to eat.

Speaker 1 This hasn't bothered me too much until I found out the extent of it. She has a laptop that she guards with her life.

Speaker 1 I don't know why, but the other night when she got up to pee, she didn't close it properly and I just jumped into Snoop while she was in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what I was looking for, but I found a blackmail folder of everyone from her business partners to friends and family.

Speaker 1 She had a folder on her uncle having a gay sexting session, had a folder on some random guy cheating on his wife. I don't even know how she got it.

Speaker 1 She had screenshots of her friend's old tweets, and I even found a folder on what I think were my initials, but I couldn't open it before she got back.

Speaker 1 Again, I never had any issues with her, and I was going to keep dating her, but now I'm genuinely worried.

Speaker 2 You should be worried.

Speaker 1 Maybe paranoid. Yeah.
I haven't done anything bad, but what if she took pictures of me without me knowing or something like that?

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I'd be so embarrassed. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Then you could be a victim, and people love victims.

Speaker 2 So, like, don't worry.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, there's the good and the evil. Yes.
There you go. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I feel like I feel like I need to go back

Speaker 2 to so she must have learned something along the way through working with her family's corporation that's like making her extra vigilant.

Speaker 1 What is this corporation? The CIA?

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it could be.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is it? The spy? That's what it's giving.

Speaker 2 Like, what is going on? And then I understand like nobody takes her seriously, but I don't think that lends itself to blackmail.

Speaker 2 But maybe she's just been like so fucked in the past that she's ready to fuck someone over. But like, I don't, ugh, do you watch Real Housewives of New York? No.
I see clips. Yes.

Speaker 2 So Dorinda has this amazing saying that she's like, say it, forget it. write it, regret it.
It's like things in print. Ooh, I know it's so good.

Speaker 2 Cause if you like say something kind of like fucked up, like people will for like, it's like, uh, whatever, it'll blow over. Yeah.
You have more context.

Speaker 2 It's not that like what, like, you know, it's easier

Speaker 2 kind of just to forgive and and maybe understand everybody does it differently. Um, but if you write it, that's like it's in stone.
Yes. And that's what she has on her computer.
So it's like, why?

Speaker 2 Can't you just keep it in your head?

Speaker 2 Can't you just make mental folders in your head and like talk shit when you need like her paranoia that that she has to have like folders on the computer i would be afraid i would be terrified yes you gotta get out and how before you get how yes before you get out you have to delete your folder

Speaker 1 but don't you think she could just get it again right she would back that shit up like she's oh she's got a hard drive copy of this i mean the fact that she has her uncle's sexting conversation yeah how'd she get that She had to get into his phone, screenshot it, and then send it to herself.

Speaker 1 Like, she's good. Yeah.
And in a bad way, but like, she's good at what she's doing.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 nerzy, so nosy and so curious. It's like, who has the energy? I just cannot find the energy literally for anything else besides like getting up in the morning and coming here.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just cannot be bothered.

Speaker 1 No, I get that. I'm flaky.
I'm so flaky. Like,

Speaker 1 this is nothing about you. but like sometimes i'll have people coming on or like i have to do something and i'm like god i just hope they cancel

Speaker 2 like i just want to stay at home today all the time every time yeah it's always fine when you go you're like oh my god i love my friends i love my sodium

Speaker 2 yes but before it's hard

Speaker 2 teeth to get there literally but it's like yeah how does he get out literally because you have to do it in a way where she's not mad at you you have to make it it's her idea yeah i think you blackmail the blackmailer oh i think you mental gymnastics back flip uh full twist your way out of the relationship get a file on her yes get the blackmail i mean you have the ultimate blackmail because you know she has the blackmail

Speaker 1 like arc right like this is like noah collecting all the animals like she's got this locked and loaded.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's like, if you just are like, hey, saw that. Right.
Didn't love it. Mm-hmm.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna go. And just slow like Homer Simpson fade into the bush.
Yes. Like, yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah, yeah. And if you, if you blackmail me, I have stuff on you.
If you try anything, like, you just really can't because he, he honestly has the power.

Speaker 1 I hope he realizes that.

Speaker 2 He probably won't.

Speaker 1 Because like, this could go so wrong. Like,

Speaker 1 I mean, you never know what someone like this is capable of. Like, genuinely, I'm like, okay, I know I'm spiraling a little bit, but like, yeah, who knows? She could jump from blackmail to murder.

Speaker 1 We don't know. Literally.
So you have to like set it up where you're like, if I go missing or something happens to me, there's an automatic email that gets

Speaker 1 you gotta like trip her up a little bit.

Speaker 1 Or

Speaker 1 option B.

Speaker 1 Have you heard about weaponized incompetence?

Speaker 2 Oh, no, but this is gonna be my new favorite word.

Speaker 1 Okay. Maybe.
It's literally, it's when people play dumb or they purposefully do things wrong or bad, so they never have to do it again.

Speaker 1 So, you see this a lot on Reddit in like chedo, like relationships. And it's like, I asked my husband to like help with the laundry, and every time he does the laundry, he ruins my clothes.

Speaker 1 So, I can't have him do it anymore. Like, people will fuck shit up on purpose to not have to do it.

Speaker 2 That's evil.

Speaker 1 I think that would be option B to get out, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's actually diabolic. How would he

Speaker 2 weaponize and

Speaker 1 everything?

Speaker 2 Yes, but she would just blackmail him, she would like get receipts and be like, He's doing this stuff on purpose. She would twist it, and this is the problem.

Speaker 2 As much as I'm a raging misandrist, also, there's like it, it just like it takes one. Sometimes there's like one woman who fucks it up.

Speaker 2 It's like Elizabeth Holmes, you really got to ruin it for us, and she's like on that path. So, it's like, come on, girl.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think maybe like a fade-out.

Speaker 2 Um, I was thinking like a cheating scandal. Ooh.
And he could get ahead of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But then I think it would really set her off. So it's like not safe.
It's, it's kind of like, whatever, going into a lion's den. I don't know if that's possible.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm, he's, I'm concerned for him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, same for his safety. You think he's going to get murdered?

Speaker 1 I do. I'm like, you never know.

Speaker 2 Too bad Reddit's anonymous. We could like put him in.
Maybe he should go in a witness protection program.

Speaker 1 He should look in a wit sack, honestly. Top comment with 4,000 upvotes.

Speaker 1 Break up with her. Yeah.
She seems like a vengeful person and readily armed to destroy whoever betrays her.

Speaker 1 Just tell her in these six months, you've really enjoyed the time you've spent together, but you realize you're entirely different people.

Speaker 1 You respect and admire her work ethic, but you're not so organized about every single detail. You're carefree, chill, laid back, and prefer a lifestyle and partner who can match your personality.

Speaker 1 That you both do have opposite personalities, and in the long run, you don't see this truly working out. Basically, tell her something she can believe.
Lie if you have to, and run.

Speaker 1 Don't even bother deleting that folder or bringing it up. Leave as amicably as you can.
Do not piss her off. Yeah.
She is vindictive. She prefers to ruin someone's life.

Speaker 1 This is not wife material unless you're in the mafia.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Um, I kind of disagree. I absolutely disagree that she should delete the file because what's she gonna do? Get mad at him for black, like, for blackmailing him.

Speaker 2 It's like, I don't think that's gonna happen. And I don't, I don't know.
I'm like, does he blow it up and confront her, get the receipts?

Speaker 2 I do think, I think he should blackmail the blackmailer. I think he should set up hidden cameras,

Speaker 1 capture the folder.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because there's reason to. And then go first, get a restraining order.

Speaker 2 She's going to do some crazy shit. Get the, get the, I think we need to get the law involved, take her to court, and then take her down.
He needs to be stacked with a plan.

Speaker 2 There's no way that he's going to be able to get out of this amicably. I feel terrible.

Speaker 1 She's going to stalk him after. Like, even if he did end it amicably, I think she would still keep tabs on him.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 for this folder yeah he's for life she has her friends old tweets why are you trying to blackmail your friends your friends yeah no you need to like have their back it's so strange yes like i support women's rights and wrongs like that's where we're at these days

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 we have no update from op

Speaker 2 so he's so damn bad so fucked there's no comments when was it how long ago was it posted?

Speaker 1 17 days ago.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, he's like,

Speaker 2 he could be dead. He could be dead.
Yeah. Like,

Speaker 2 it's not going well for him. And sometimes I wonder, sometimes I can be a victim blamer.
I hate that about myself.

Speaker 2 And unless, unless you're a woman.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 He's not.

Speaker 2 So, and like largely, you guys, I do have his back. Give me a break.
But also.

Speaker 1 There's, there's jokes. Yeah, there's jokes.

Speaker 2 Aren't there clues in the beginning? It's like, how do people get themselves in situations like this?

Speaker 1 This to me feels like I don't, I don't think you ever would have known.

Speaker 2 You had to have known.

Speaker 1 Like, what if you go home tonight

Speaker 1 and you find out that Robbie has a folder on you? Yeah. Like, would you have known? Were there signs that you could look back now and be like, you know,

Speaker 1 she was screenshotting a lot of my texts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah. I think sometimes you just get sucked in and it's blindside.

Speaker 2 I stare at Robbie's phone.

Speaker 2 She doesn't even have a lock on her screen. And every time she opens.
What?

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about pickpocketers?

Speaker 2 She doesn't care. She, one time she got her phone stolen on the airplane.
And it's like, whatever. We just like, I know.
She, I don't know. What? Maybe she doesn't have a hidden folder.

Speaker 2 My iCloud was leaked or hacked and my nudes were almost leaked. And I.

Speaker 1 Did you pay a ransom?

Speaker 2 He wanted me to, but you know, he wanted me to send him more photos. He sent me back my leaked nude.
This could have been the best day of my life. This could have catapulted me into fandom

Speaker 2 that we could not expect. I was begging him at this point, taunting and teasing.
Even the police called me the other day and they were like, do you want me to close this case?

Speaker 2 And I'm like, Absolutely, don't go after this man. I need him to leak my nudes because the picture he sent back to me was so hot.
Was so I had fake hair in my extensions. I was like,

Speaker 2 Really? Um,

Speaker 1 this is the one.

Speaker 2 Literally, I was inspired by Love Island UK girl.

Speaker 1 This gets me the Playboy spread. Yes.

Speaker 2 Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my hair was down to my ass.

Speaker 2 I had practice. It was a tasteful nude.
I think you could maybe see a centimeter of a nipple. So I'm like, let it go, baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get it out there.

Speaker 2 I'm like, please leak this. But it was in my

Speaker 2 hidden folder,

Speaker 2 and so he got in there. I don't think Robbie has a hidden folder, and she would just fully like she knows my password too.
She could go through my phone, and I could go through hers.

Speaker 1 Gabby, there's someone like this, is you. This is this story, is you.
No, someone hacked you and has your intimate stuff in a folder, a blackmail folder. Yes, but we're not dating.
No,

Speaker 1 like you as part of the story. Where's that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 I'm like, and they called me, and then it was like,

Speaker 1 this is sick and twisted.

Speaker 2 It was from, or I had found out that they were hacking from Houston. And I was like, oh, I want to be on a flight there.
My mom lives in Houston and we're strange. And I'm like, what a story.

Speaker 2 If my mom leaked my nudes, it could compound my astronomical fame. And I'm a serious victim in a sick way.

Speaker 1 Hopefully your hacker sees this.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I've been talking about it.
I've been like for so long. I'm like, please pay attention.

Speaker 1 Leak the news.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm dead. I'm just like, I'm crying again.
This is just so good.

Speaker 1 Wow. Well, everyone say a little prayer for Gabby

Speaker 1 that her nude gets leaked.

Speaker 2 Please, please, please, please, please, please, please. People are like, they would DM me and be like, oh, I know you're coping with humor.
And I'm like, bitch, I'm not coping.

Speaker 2 Like, no, like, there's nothing to cope.

Speaker 1 No, I'm actually more pissed that it hasn't happened. Right.

Speaker 2 Like, we need this for ourselves. I'd also like to retire in four years.

Speaker 2 But, like, I don't have a savings account.

Speaker 2 I have an IRA.

Speaker 1 Well, that counts. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jenna, my editor over here, she's like, I need to start an IRA. And I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just time. It is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got it. You're doing good.
Right.

Speaker 2 I think it's fine.

Speaker 1 I want to get on like the stonks subreddit again. Stonks? Stonks.

Speaker 2 With an N?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they call it Stonks.

Speaker 2 Instead of Stalks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I want to be like on that, like, remember GameStop? Like, let me in on some GameStop type action. Like, I want to tank meta and then, and then buy it when it's really low.
And like, yeah.

Speaker 1 I just want to be, I want to be in on the stonks. Do you do crypto? No.

Speaker 2 Surprise.

Speaker 1 I don't believe in crypto. That's surprising with the GameStop.

Speaker 2 I would have for sure thought you'd fuck with that.

Speaker 1 I get crypto. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you know the crypto queen?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 It's not that interesting.

Speaker 1 Anyways, that's fine. Nice game.

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Speaker 1 Okay, this next one I'm super deeply concerned about.

Speaker 1 This is coming from relationship advice. I'm a 29-year-old female, and my long-term partner, 29-male, is creating AI porn with unsuspecting women he knows in real life.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to understand if most men are doing this.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 no, I well, who knows, actually? The XY species chromosome is going downhill fast. The Y chromosome is losing its genes literally by the second.
Is it really? Yeah, they only have 50 left.

Speaker 2 And they started with like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, 51.

Speaker 2 I think they started with like a thousand.

Speaker 1 Is that just like a lack of diversity in

Speaker 1 breeding?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it sounds so weird to say, but I'm like,

Speaker 1 what is what?

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's like, this is the

Speaker 2 nature versus, this is just our nature happening. I want to say natural selection, but I don't think that's the right word.
And by the second, I mean it'll take a million years for the Y chromosome

Speaker 2 to fully

Speaker 2 disappear.

Speaker 2 I hope I'm back in some kind of life.

Speaker 1 Oh, just to see it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I'm not around a lot of men, I've noticed daily. My manager is a man.
Surprisingly, he's a real one.

Speaker 2 And my dad, and that's about it. So I do not know what dudes are up to.
Yeah. But I wouldn't be surprised if most of them are doing AI porn.

Speaker 1 That is. Let's get.
We've got a little more. We've got a little more.
Yes. Info.
Before I get it myself.

Speaker 1 I found out that my 29 male boyfriend of eight years is creating AI porn with women he knew from college, possibly his coworkers, etc. I am betrayed, humiliated, and disgusted.

Speaker 1 I can't believe he thinks his own pleasure is so important that he can violate the safety, privacy, dignity of unsuspecting women who are not consenting to this. Also, it feels pretty illegal.

Speaker 2 It's totally illegal.

Speaker 1 Or at least it should be. I'm trying to figure it out.
Is this something that most men are doing now? Do I just have to accept that this is what porn is now?

Speaker 1 I'm aware that I should walk away if it's something I'm not okay with. What I'm really trying to figure out is if most men are doing this, I would really appreciate honest input across genders.

Speaker 2 And this, sorry, Dendra, this is what women do. We try and make excuses for disgusting behavior.
That should not be the first thing. I mean, I hope to...
God,

Speaker 2 I'm looking at you, men, that you're not creating AI porn. I have your back for once.
I think this guy's maybe sick and twisted.

Speaker 1 This is sick and twisted.

Speaker 2 Do not try. And what do you call that word?

Speaker 2 Not reckon.

Speaker 1 You're looking for a big one, though.

Speaker 2 I am.

Speaker 1 I can't figure it out.

Speaker 2 Don't try and like make excuses for this guy or make it normal. Go to the police.
Yeah. This is like revenge porn.
This, it feels it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the one thing. Like, and I know it kind of got brought into the light, but it hadn't until this thing.

Speaker 1 But Taylor Swift, they were making like AI, like very graphic images, porn-like in nature of her. And then she was the first one to like be like, okay, no, there needs to be laws about this.

Speaker 1 Because as of right now, I don't think there is. Oh, man.
Because AI is like so on the verge of like all of this. Like our government, like right now.

Speaker 1 cannot keep up with how fast technology moves. You want to ban TikTok because you're scared of China, but everyone flocks to RedNote, which is actually communist China.
Like, literally.

Speaker 1 You can't keep up with it. And like, that's kind of where they're at with AI, it seems.
So I'm like, I don't know if this is illegal, but this is sick. And all of the women,

Speaker 1 they deserve to know because I would want this person who's creating AI deep fake porn of me. I wouldn't want them near me ever again.
This is close.

Speaker 1 You're getting, you're getting off on me and playing it like you're just my friend or a coworker.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Literally, why can't you like keep your dick in your pants? Why do you have to like make porn out of people that you're close with in real life? Part of me is like, if you're not sharing it,

Speaker 1 it's not as like,

Speaker 2 maybe it's okay. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 But what? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Imagine if he is like posting it on pornhub or something.

Speaker 2 No, I bet he is. This guy knows no boundaries.

Speaker 1 Well, to like have the technology and know how to do this, that's also like such an investment. Like you just went above and beyond any normal guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, just going on pornhub and looking up porn.

Speaker 2 No, he's proud of his work. You know, he's sending it to all of his sick friends because who is he surrounding himself with for one?

Speaker 2 And I know, I didn't realize that about AI, but it makes sense in like lawmaking and stuff. So, but like this, I mean, how many like upvotes does it have on Reddit?

Speaker 1 Is it the post? Yeah, it is two months old. Uh-huh.
It's only got 1.1k upvotes. It feels

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 2 it flew under the radar. Yeah, naturally, because it has to do with like women being abused and their

Speaker 2 rights.

Speaker 2 But it's like this story, if she could go public with it, she could be the one to probably lead the lawmaking. Or I'm sure there's a loophole that it's like, even if it's not AI,

Speaker 2 there should be a way that it could categorize itself into something illegal, please.

Speaker 1 It does.

Speaker 1 I bet you could put it in revenge porn. Yeah.
Especially because there's no consent from the other parties, obviously.

Speaker 2 Right. But then like whoever's defending him, sick fuck 2.0

Speaker 2 is going to be like, well, it's not actually their faces.

Speaker 2 You know?

Speaker 2 Which like, yeah, it makes it even worse. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 She's got to break up.

Speaker 2 She and she has to expose him.

Speaker 2 100%. She needs to go undercover.
This girl needs to meet the other guy.

Speaker 2 who has the blackmail. They need to come together, figure out a plan how to blackmail these people, get out safely

Speaker 2 because,

Speaker 2 yeah, I feel like, well, I mean, she can't have that stuff. She's got to steal his computer.
She needs a plan in place. Take the computer straight to the cops.

Speaker 1 100%. Yeah.
100%.

Speaker 2 Block him, block, delete, restraining order.

Speaker 1 And they've been together for eight years.

Speaker 2 eight years and she just found it how did she find it again so she's so down bad she's like I love this guy it's like did you hear the story of Jill Gillell Giselle Pelico no in France no oh my god this is so sick and twisted it doesn't even oh my god the woman whose husband yes yes and they were married for like 30 years yes it's like can you imagine no the love of your life your betrothed doing this crazy, like going way out of the way, coming up with this sick, depraved plan.

Speaker 2 No, like you wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 No, like if my fiancé did like anything like this, or like, I'm like, he's such a fucking unicorn. Like, he's, he's such a gem.
And like, I've, I imagine that's what these people feel like.

Speaker 1 Like, right. The love of my life, my person, he's so supportive, has my back.
Like, and to find out something so

Speaker 1 gut-wrenching, despicable, like, right. No, it would crush me as a person.
This is why I think we need to bring the electric chair back. Yeah.
Like, no joke.

Speaker 2 Yes. Like, yeah, buzz his ass.

Speaker 1 People need to be scared of their, of consequences again.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, actually.
And, like, don't go easy on him. I feel like they should do it multiple times.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, it's, I was going to say, oh, yeah, Giselle Pelico, her husband, like, cause she was having symptoms, you know, of like lethargy and blackouts and stuff and like losing her hair.

Speaker 2 He would take her to her doctor's appointments and like like try and figure out what's going on. So he was like, feigning.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh my God, the level of personality disorders and sociopath that is like embedded in these people is insane.

Speaker 2 But this, and it's a lot of responsibility. I don't think you always have to take on the responsibility, but if she's listening, you could lead this because now people are going to do it.

Speaker 2 Now that they have this technology. right and idea from reddit

Speaker 1 is going to happen a lot no i feel like even just i'd get on the local news right like you don't have to name him but like be like hey this is out there like i don't even know like i'm just i'm a little distraught over this one there is no good in this one i guess like no the fact that she found out at least and is not gonna marry this person because after dating for eight years, like that's the path you're treading.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 top comment on this one, yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 2 wait, no, oh, yeah, literally, just no, yes, yeah, and I do believe it. I think I believe that this is real, yeah, I don't think this is a troll post, no, no, no, I believe it's real, yeah.

Speaker 2 No, one time I tried to do the math of um

Speaker 2 Sophie Rain, the OnlyFans girl who made like 40 million in one year. Holy, but it's like, I know, I want to know her subscribers subscribers and how much they pay because I, I was high naturally.

Speaker 2 So I was trying to like, um, make a formula to see how many subscribers she had. And basically, I learned that maybe it was the size of the city of Denver.
I can't tell you.

Speaker 1 I was reading fake news.

Speaker 1 Wait, I want to, what's her name?

Speaker 2 Sophie Rain.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look.

Speaker 2 I want to see. And it could then on Reddit naturally, there were conspiracies like, this isn't true.
It's a marketing tactic from her management.

Speaker 2 And they're telling her to say these things so more girls will sign up for OnlyFans. I'm like, okay, I believe that.
But I'm wondering if there's dudes that,

Speaker 2 and like not saying that all dudes who subscribe to OnlyFans, like, will make AI porn.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it could be a gateway drug.

Speaker 1 i'm just lost i don't know what is life what is life well i'm like i'm also looking at her only fans like she's got a 50 off deal so it's only five bucks okay for a month so to get to 40 million right

Speaker 1 and she's only got only right like only yeah but like i'm like thinking in terms of 40 million right 843k likes like the like Right. Where is this Y equals MX plus B? Like, what's happening?

Speaker 2 Right. Cause I'm I'm wondering if you can do anonymous.

Speaker 2 I'm, I'm like, maybe dudes are like flying under the radar and like not subscribing or not liking, but still paying the $50 because they don't want to get caught. Right.

Speaker 2 Cause they're not being found out. I'm, I'm sorry that this, this is the X Y chromosome.
This is your brethren,

Speaker 1 not mine. I think this is why like

Speaker 1 guys need to talk to each other more in general. Yeah.
Like I, my

Speaker 1 in for guys this year is like start really developing emotional intimacy with your friends. Yeah.
Because like there's the problem.

Speaker 1 There's a lonely, there's a loneliness epidemic for men, and they don't have to. Like they're putting themselves in this lonely box and like talk, create intimate relationships.

Speaker 1 Like talk to people and like check in with your friends. Like, hey, you're not creating AI porn, right? That's bad.

Speaker 2 Literally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like check in. Totally.
Keep everybody.

Speaker 2 Like, have you heard of this? Yeah. Cause I, I think, like, they are trying to make up for the fact that they cannot be emotional for one another with sex.
But it's like that.

Speaker 2 Cause like, what is, even though I was talking about a lesbian who is sexually frustrated.

Speaker 2 whatever forget i said it okay i can have a double standard i take it back but it's like is it is there such thing as being sexually frustrated or is it an excuse to make ai porn it's like, what do you mean?

Speaker 2 How much do you, you know, that thing where they told you in like junior high, like, dudes think about sex every five seconds?

Speaker 1 I wonder if that's true for 30-year-olds. Right.

Speaker 2 And then I internalized it and I was like, I don't want to think about sex every five seconds. And it was like humping the couch.

Speaker 2 But it's like internalized misogyny. We all go through it.

Speaker 1 Do they tell us that though, in order to make sex more acceptable, like, is that a condition? Is they trying to condition us with that statement?

Speaker 2 Yeah, probably

Speaker 2 all subconsciously and maybe consciously.

Speaker 2 And this is a thing, I could be, what's your demo like? You probably have men listening, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 I have a lot of people that I do have some dudes. Hi, guys.
Hopefully, they're all gay.

Speaker 1 A lot of people listen with their partners, which is that's something I really love hearing because it's like they can pause this and be like, What do you think of this?

Speaker 1 Like, you're not, you don't think AI porn is acceptable, right? Like, I think a lot of people use this as like a tool to talk to their partners. Oh my gosh, I love that.

Speaker 2 Love, yes. And I even have like some fans that'll write to me.
Like, I had one recently, like, which thank you. I can't, like, I can't respond to all of them, um, but I do try.

Speaker 2 But I had this one that was like, We were watching Traders, and my husband, my husband cannot understand you. And then we went on a deep dive through your TikTok and podcast, and now he's a stan.

Speaker 2 I'm like, thank God, I was

Speaker 2 convert.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Those are my favorite. Cause I'm like, an acquired taste is expensive.
You have to have a mature palette. If you like mushrooms, you're shelling out.
So like, I'm expensive is what you're saying.

Speaker 1 I just like, I don't understand how people couldn't back you. Like your TikTok is hilarious.
Like every

Speaker 1 social media clip or any like media I engaged with you in it. I'm like, I'm obsessed.
You're so funny. Oh my god, thank you.

Speaker 2 You're so smart. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Stop. No, I just like, I was like, we, we made the right person famous.
You know, when like people joke about that? Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 Not that I, I mean, I got a knock on wood.

Speaker 1 I became a recent fan. The chair, the chair, the chair.
Oh, thank you. You have this on purpose.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, thank you.
And, um, and like, I want to be on your side, but you're not doing yourself any favors. But I hope that the majority of men are not making AI porn.

Speaker 1 I think, I think we're safe. Yeah.
I would say this is like a select

Speaker 2 feel. And if you are making AI porn with my face, let me see it before you release it.

Speaker 1 Here it could. Just hack her and just put it in her inbox.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let me see. Like, I might be on your team, like, given

Speaker 2 what kind of positions, like, what, what kind of art we're making.

Speaker 1 If it's tasteful, right?

Speaker 2 You could reconsider. It could also blow my career up.

Speaker 2 I'm not against it.

Speaker 1 I think traders, I just have a good vibe about this show.

Speaker 1 I'm obsessed. I literally watched the first episode and then I had a dream.
I didn't sleep last night. I had a dream that I got put in the show.
That's how much I liked it. Like, it's so good.

Speaker 1 They take AI with all my Argyle sweaters and your

Speaker 1 Scottish outfits.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Thank you.
So good. It's like Alan coming in the background, rolling his R's.
Meder.

Speaker 2 Just let me know.

Speaker 1 I love it. Okay, moving along.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give you some mail-on-mail crime. Ooh.

Speaker 1 This is also coming from relationship advice. It is titled, My Partner, 28 Male, Whispered, I Hate You, when He Thought I, 37 Male, was asleep.
Do you think he means it?

Speaker 1 Oh my god.

Speaker 1 Me, 37 male, and my partner, 28 male, have been together for seven years. We've had arguments in the past and almost broken up more than once.

Speaker 1 The arguments have calmed down and gotten less frequent over the years. We had an argument today while making dinner.

Speaker 1 I put the dry pasta in the pot before putting in the boiling water from the kettle, and this really got him angry. Uh-oh.
I was supposed to heat up the water in the pot and then put the pasta in.

Speaker 1 He stopped talking to me for the rest of the evening.

Speaker 2 Sorry, you deserve it. Have you ever made pasta before?

Speaker 1 He went into a different room and I went to bed. At about 2 a.m., he came into the room and he thought I was sleeping and whispered, I hate you and walked back out.

Speaker 1 I tried to go talk to him at around 2.30 a.m., but he is not responding to me, just sitting on his iPad. He may be calmed down by tomorrow.
What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 I think if he's on any kind of medication, he needs an adjustment. I hate to say when I'm in between meds or going,

Speaker 2 I'm upping my dose, this could be me.

Speaker 1 The pasta just sets you off.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it does take a certain person who could be capable of more to whisper in your ear, I hate you. Or maybe it's like a kink.

Speaker 2 Like this feels sexual to me. And it might work.

Speaker 1 I mean, for me.

Speaker 2 Is this dirty talk? Because my mom also hated me. And like,

Speaker 2 that works on me.

Speaker 1 It reminds me of my childhood.

Speaker 2 So I don't know. I'm kind of on, but you guys, I said this is a part I don't like about myself.
Like some, I can be a victim blamer.

Speaker 1 I want to change it.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. See, I'm sitting here and I'm like, if my partner walked into the room when they think I'm asleep and they whisper, I hate you.
I would be concerned. I'd be like,

Speaker 1 am I going to get stabbed over pasta? Like, am I, like, do I have to sleep with one eye open? Clearly.

Speaker 1 So I don't know. Like, maybe there's some people that like could get turned on by this.
I think our writer could be in that boat because he doesn't seem scared. He's more so like, right.

Speaker 1 Do you think he means it? Or he literally goes, yeah, do you think he means it?

Speaker 2 Yeah. These, they always ask the question

Speaker 2 like the wrong question.

Speaker 2 It's like, do you think other men are making AI that's besides the point if other men are making AI porn you and it's like yeah if your partner

Speaker 2 is whispering I hate you wow like what I think I need more context but yeah normal people would be like I need to run yeah I this is confusing I think you have to like take people at their word more.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people are struggling with that lately. Yeah.
We see it in, you know, politics and everywhere. Like, oh, well, I, I didn't think that was a

Speaker 1 salute. What do you mean? He was joking.
Yeah. Take it for what it is.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah. No, believe people at what they tell you.
Like, if someone says they hate you,

Speaker 1 they do. They do.

Speaker 2 Especially as an adult, like as kids, we would be like, I hate you. I, I hate you.

Speaker 2 You know, yeah, yeah. Like, and that must hurt, by the way.
If I did, this is also why I don't want kids.

Speaker 2 Cause like, if they said they hate you, one, well, actually, they probably mean it because they have less of a guard.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 And it's like, damn, how does that feel?

Speaker 1 Kids are so honest. It's right.
They're so scary. They're intimidating.
Yeah. Kids are really intimidating.

Speaker 2 Terrifying. If I see someone high school age, I'm like, oh my God, are you judging me?

Speaker 1 Oh, they are. But I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Dude, you teeny bopper.

Speaker 1 No, every time I go out in public and I just look wrecked, I instantly regret it when I see a group of like trendy cute girls and like

Speaker 1 you just feel that look that like literally. And I'm like, fuck, I should have tried harder today.
I don't try hard for guys. I literally try hard for girls because I'm like

Speaker 2 same.

Speaker 2 I know, like going into Sephora on a quick stop.

Speaker 1 No, I only order online now.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Everyone after school, 3.30 p.m.
flooding Sephora.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I've never felt more self-conscious.

Speaker 1 That is another form of self-harm. Yes.
Don't do that to yourself.

Speaker 2 No, we have to stay away.

Speaker 1 Online only. And you get better samples and little presents.

Speaker 2 Oh, really?

Speaker 1 They give you so many presents if you order online.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's true because you have more options.

Speaker 1 Well, they like, oh, it's like spend 100. Then you get like five free samples.
You just get so much better stuff. Totally.
They don't offer you that in the store. No.

Speaker 1 Because they already know they have you.

Speaker 2 Right. So true.
And then you get an options of like three. Like when is the tiniest bottle of purology you've ever seen?

Speaker 2 It's like, how much is, but that's like if online, it's coming from the warehouse.

Speaker 1 Well, and then you have to like spend points. Like, if you want to spend a thousand points to get $10 off, right? Which, like, if you think about that, you spend a thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 That's what points are. They're equal to a dollar.
That makes me sick. Uh-huh.
I'm making myself sick.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. I know.
Oh, my God. See, these are things I don't need to know.

Speaker 2 These are things I'm better off not knowing.

Speaker 2 But back to the pasta. I mean, he really set this guy off.

Speaker 2 How long have they been dating?

Speaker 1 Seven years.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this probably isn't the first time it's happened.

Speaker 1 And they do have quite an age gap. He, our writer, is 37.

Speaker 1 The person that hates him is 28. Yeah.
They've been together seven years, so started at 21 and 30.

Speaker 2 Like, right.

Speaker 1 Very different life points. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And gay men just don't stay in relationships that long when they're that young. Have you seen the posts that are, yeah, just like completely made up?

Speaker 2 You'll like get really into it and the the comments are like, we don't believe this. And like calling them out and then like whatever, taking it further.
I'm like, I don't know about this.

Speaker 1 What do you think about the actual like technique too?

Speaker 2 Because I feel like this isn't the technique of I hate you or the pasta. The pasta.

Speaker 1 The pasta is totally wrong. I mean, I get it's wrong, but it also feels like a hack.

Speaker 2 But the water doesn't stay boiled. It doesn't stay hot for that long, right?

Speaker 1 I feel like if it's boiling from a kettle and then you put it on a hot stove, I feel like, I feel like this is kind of a, like a hack.

Speaker 1 I don't love it.

Speaker 1 I think he should have poured the boiling water into an empty pot if that's how he wanted to do it and then added pasta. Right.
But like, I don't.

Speaker 2 Is the heat still on? Is my big question on the pot. So if you're taking the boiling water from the kettle and putting it into a pot without the heat on, that's not going to work.

Speaker 2 You're going to have not al dente. No.

Speaker 1 I'm getting distracted by this pasta, but okay. We have a lot of comments from OP.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Oh, really? Are you ready?

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay, this is the scroll.
Okay, here's the original post. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 Wow, yours goes backwards than mine. Did you set it up like that? I don't know.
My um you get the post and then

Speaker 2 yeah, and then I scroll down. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 I get like the most recent to the oldest.

Speaker 2 Yeah, same. Maybe a setting.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But this is a lot of comments.

Speaker 2 Yes, I love that.

Speaker 1 A lot of comments.

Speaker 1 I was actually asleep and woke up when he came in. People were like, why didn't you just talk to him or whatever? Right.

Speaker 1 People are, again, kind of getting into the why'd you add the boiling water? It's weird. I'm dead.
Of course, I know how to make pasta. I was making it the way I make it, which was wrong in his mind.

Speaker 1 Apparently, he came back in later on around 4 or 5 a.m. and said more mean stuff.

Speaker 1 Oh, he came in again at 4 a.m. to check on me, and I can't sleep, but I'm not moving.
He whispered, you're a dick. Then again, at 5 a.m.,

Speaker 1 you should die.

Speaker 2 This is all becoming really suspicious to me because why didn't he include this information in the original post? And at this point, why wouldn't he call him out? And why aren't you sleeping?

Speaker 2 Like, because you got into a fight?

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 2 Don't you have any meds on hand?

Speaker 1 Some people go to the dog. Saddam dogs.
Raw dog.

Speaker 2 Don't you have, like I have an emergency stash emergency

Speaker 1 every day.

Speaker 1 I have gotten like really addicted to the CBD sleep gummies. Oh, yeah.
I just like don't get good sleep without them now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, those are so good.

Speaker 1 They're so good.

Speaker 2 But I'm like, I am starting to question him because it sounds like, you know, when people are like, whatever, calling him out. And then you like make up more points to kind of

Speaker 2 write to back your story. Cause it's like, you're not going to call him out, you're just going to let him whisper in you.

Speaker 1 Clearly, he hates your guts and you need to break up. Right.
I hope you die or whatever. Like, a lot of people are asking too, like, well, maybe you shouldn't have gone for someone so young.

Speaker 1 And OP does provide context. He went for me.
I didn't go for him. I think everyone has a different path in life, no matter what age they are.

Speaker 1 Thank you for sharing your thoughts about wasting your 20s. Maybe that is how he feels.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I don't, I think it's way less about that. First of all,

Speaker 2 it doesn't matter who goes for who. You could still like not date someone that young, but it's not even about that.
This guy is whispering concerning things in your ear while you're asleep.

Speaker 2 So like, I just don't understand why you couldn't call him out.

Speaker 1 And I think he's trying to based on the comments. He's like, I clearly know we need to talk.
Yeah. But he's ignoring me.

Speaker 1 And so I think like a lot of times in relationships, like if you have someone that's stonewalling you,

Speaker 1 that's also an answer. Right, right.
Like if you can't have a conversation and be like,

Speaker 1 hey, why did you whisper you hate me and that you hope I'll die?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Quick question.

Speaker 1 Quick question here.

Speaker 1 Like, just a little concerned. You good?

Speaker 2 Right. Like, you had, yeah.

Speaker 1 If you can't have that conversation, like, I don't really think you have a relationship to fight for.

Speaker 2 No, not at all. I, know.

Speaker 2 If it were me and people and he, like, whatever, my girlfriend was whispering those things in my ear, I would quick,

Speaker 2 I don't even want to put in the context of my girlfriend. If I were him and my boyfriend was whispering those things, I would quick left hook, uppercut, and get the fuck out.

Speaker 1 You gotta.

Speaker 2 You gotta run. Right.
Why would you be comfortable sleeping in your bed while this guy, I mean, they're pretty threatening things.

Speaker 1 Well, and this is the last comment I'll read, which I think is also really interesting.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are again talking based on age. Maybe he's resentful.
Maybe he feels like he wasted time or is trapped.

Speaker 2 Is that an excuse?

Speaker 1 No, people, no. Yeah.
And so OP responds: it could be the case that he has grown resentful, but he is the one that wanted the relationship in the first place.

Speaker 1 I had just come out as gay and wanted to see other guys. He had already had two relationships before me.
He didn't want me to see other guys and to be exclusive with him. So that's what I did.

Speaker 2 I don't, this is all a distraction from the problem. I don't like.

Speaker 1 I love that you can see through it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 Why get lost in the sauce?

Speaker 2 Yeah. You're like, actually,

Speaker 1 it's just because you passed up. Right.

Speaker 2 It's because you started dating at 21. You deserve to die because you started dating a younger man.
Don't you know?

Speaker 2 But it's like, I don't think that excuses his behavior of what's and like who does that? What that's why I think it's kind of a kink or a sexual thing because I feel like he's getting off on this.

Speaker 2 The boyfriend, the boyfriend, and low-key, the OP, and just wants to like check in.

Speaker 2 Like, hey, he left that part out, but he's like, okay, what do you guys think if somebody was whispering this in your ear?

Speaker 2 And, and obviously, people got distracted, but it's like secretly, he likes it. It's just a kink.
Maybe he, maybe he started the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Or this is like a really,

Speaker 1 I'm like, psychology over here. I'm like, if this is his first relationship with a guy, yeah, maybe he also deserved to die.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's like really questioning, like, wait, is this normal? Like, as crazy as that sounds, right?

Speaker 1 But like, yeah, obviously, like, when you started dating your girlfriend, like, there's different norms in that relationship and different things you had to like, kind of like mentally, like, oh, no, no, no, this is normal.

Speaker 1 And like, this relationship versus, you know, like, I'm like, maybe there's like a little, he's kind of mental gymnasticking himself because

Speaker 1 it was his first, is his first relationship. Totally.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that could happen, but also that proves my point. Like, gay men are more kinky.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what you're saying.

Speaker 2 Actually, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Actually, totally.

Speaker 1 I mental gymnastics myself. I'm like, wait, what am I saying?

Speaker 2 No, because it's like, this is his first relationship with a gay dude. So this could be totally baseline.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This could happen in the culture. And maybe this is the first time we're hearing about it as a community.

Speaker 2 How many upvotes does this one have?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. I lost it.
I'm so stressed over here.

Speaker 1 I'm crying again, guys. I'm crying again.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I I literally lost the tab.

Speaker 1 That's okay. Okay, it has 4.4k upvotes.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's a lot. So there should be some gay dudes in there, but they're probably lurking.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. They found out our deepest secret.

Speaker 1 The top comment.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure he means he hates you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Literally, like you were saying, take people at their word. Like

Speaker 1 the next comment. This is a wild guess but you might just be right

Speaker 1 an age gap relationship turned sour you say surprised pikachu

Speaker 2 but like nobody's concerned about the well-being of this guy and the partner saying these crazy things to him while he's asleep it's like

Speaker 2 it's like you know um

Speaker 2 what's it called when you're sleeping and you play something and it's like it gets into your brain subconsciously by osmosis kind of Oh my god, it was like,

Speaker 2 What is that? There's a word for it.

Speaker 1 It's they they're on tapes all the time, yeah, and like there's that episode of friends where like chandler's trying to quit smoking or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like you're a strong, beautiful affirmations, mantras, it's like a trance, psychosis, yeah, literally, no, hypnosis, hip, it's like a type of hypnosis, but it's like

Speaker 2 no, it could be psychosis, but anyways, maybe the boyfriend is trying to do that while he's asleep. So he'll wake up and be like, oh my God, he hates me.

Speaker 1 I should break up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Maybe this is a passive way.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Also, I hope all of these victims are listening to this podcast and they can

Speaker 2 collaboratively learn from each other's stories. Because maybe the guy from the beginning with the crazy girl with the blackmail, she could use this tactic too.

Speaker 2 Subconsciously.

Speaker 1 Give her a message honestly it's all tying together today yeah it really is

Speaker 1 i need like a moment to decompress after this one i know oops it's a lot to think about

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 wow i think i'm gonna give you a choice on this next one okay i'm a little scared

Speaker 1 so option number one am i the asshole for calling my brother-in-law's wife insanely entitled after an argument over photos of my sister or i hooked up with my dead ex's sister on accident on accident yeah on accident yeah wait i have to pick one to do what with to talk about yeah or i'll give you option three okay

Speaker 1 i 33 male am developing a crush on my wife's cousin How long until these feelings fade?

Speaker 1 I'll let you pick two if you want.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'll pick the last two because I can't deal with the degrees of separation and twice removed and the first one.

Speaker 1 You're so smart. You get it.

Speaker 2 Is it? Okay, read it to me again. Okay.

Speaker 1 So am I the asshole for calling my brother-in-law's wife? Okay. So his sister was married to that guy.
She died.

Speaker 1 Insanely entitled after an argument over photos of my sister. So this new wife is coming in and like, fuck those photos.
She's dead. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah, I think I'll go with the two dead ones.
Two dead ones. Yeah, because they're not here to defend themselves.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a good tactic. Okay, let's start with the complicated one first.
Okay. Am I the asshole for calling my brother-in-law's wife insanely entitled after an argument over photos of my sister?

Speaker 1 My late sister Anna was married to my best friend, Josh. Together, they had two children.
My niece is nine, and my nephew is seven. Anna died three years ago.
Josh remarried one year ago.

Speaker 1 His current wife is pretty quick. If you ask me, Justin, you better wait at least six years.

Speaker 1 His current wife is Hazel. I'll confess it has been awkward and uncomfortable, and my brother-in-law has admitted that he feels it too.
We're still close, still best friends, too.

Speaker 1 But it's weird and hurts sometimes to see him with someone else. I'm happy he's happy, but Anna was my sister.
So the emotions are a lot more complex. He does understand.

Speaker 1 My niece and nephew have struggled to accept his new wife, Hazel. My nephew doesn't really remember his mom, but my niece talks about her a lot, and brother-in-law talks about her too.

Speaker 1 He has never wanted to forget her or erase her or let her memory fade.

Speaker 1 Hazel and I get along okay. We're not close.
I admit that we don't really talk or engage much. There have been some weird moments.

Speaker 1 She didn't love me and my family being at the wedding or taking care of the kids that day. Brother-in-law asked.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She had wanted her parents to take care of the kids. She has also said she finds it weird that I'm Anna's brother.

Speaker 1 While I struggle with Josh being married to someone who isn't Anna, I'm also happy for his happiness. Yeah.
A week ago, Hazel and I got into a fight, and it has caused some extra tension.

Speaker 1 She told me she was uncomfortable in my house and that I needed to remove the family photos of Anna, Josh, and the kids, and of Anna and Josh's wedding photos.

Speaker 1 And even mine, because Anna and Josh were in them too.

Speaker 1 I laughed at first, thinking she couldn't be serious, but she was.

Speaker 1 She said she always looks to see if I still have them, and then said I should take them down and put up some of them, her and Josh, and the kids.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, Hazel, you're giving us a bad name.

Speaker 1 She also wanted me to remove the wall of Anna's art in our dining room. This is different paintings and drawings Anna did for me slash us over the years.
She told me Anna's dead.

Speaker 1 Anna's the past and her, Hazel, is the future.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Wow. She doesn't really beat around the bush, does she?

Speaker 1 I told her, Anna is my sister. not her and I can have photos of my sister in my home if I want to.

Speaker 1 She told me I can't deny her this because I even have childhood photos of Anna on the walls and she's letting that go, even though she feels they should be gone too.

Speaker 1 She said the kids see themselves in her kid photos and it's making her harder for her to get into their hearts.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 She told me I've no right to make her so uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 I said she should not be this insanely entitled at her age, 32, and that she should be grown enough to know she can't dictate other people's houses.

Speaker 2 Literally.

Speaker 1 Josh came in and asked Hazel to go home early. He asked me to have the kids three days last week, too, which we did.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Hazel didn't like it and accused me of taking the kids out of spite so I can fill their heads with talk about Anna.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Hazel's gotta go.

Speaker 1 She called me an asshole and an insensitive jerk. Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Am I the asshole? No,

Speaker 2 no, for once.

Speaker 2 No, for once. You got me good.

Speaker 2 You're not the asshole. She's obviously so insecure, which would be hard

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 I can't, I mean, clearly they got married way too early. And they like, she's insecure.

Speaker 2 And it doesn't sound like, I mean, I agree that you don't want to lose the memory of your late wife, but also it doesn't sound like he's so over her, which I don't know if you should ever get over her.

Speaker 1 No, but I think that's like, that's a really interesting concept to me

Speaker 1 because it's not like they broke up, she died, right? And so, I don't know if like you ever

Speaker 1 get over someone that just died, there's no closure. Why can't there be enough room for both of you, right?

Speaker 2 Right, which would be the choice you make marrying into that situation.

Speaker 1 What was Hazel doing if she's so threatened by a ghost, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, literally.

Speaker 1 Hazel,

Speaker 1 if you're not

Speaker 1 Hazel, if you're not stepmom material, don't fucking sign up for it. Yeah, yeah.
That was a choice.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like, I, I feel like something could be making her insecure.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because,

Speaker 2 and naturally, because also

Speaker 2 she, she's definitely not the woman for the job, but him, the best friend and brother-in-law.

Speaker 2 also is still very entrenched with the late wife's family. So it's not like he's not saying you should move on.

Speaker 2 He, this is how he's making his choice is to still be very much involved with the, what's the late wife's name? We don't know. Anna.

Speaker 2 With Anna's life. So it would make it harder for Hazel.
So it's like, I feel like they just shouldn't have married.

Speaker 1 I'm, I'm like actually confused how they got married. Right.

Speaker 1 You didn't get any sense, like the Josh guy, Josh, you didn't get any sense that this girlfriend, this new, you know, fiancé, now wife of yours, hates your late wife's family. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wants to exclude them every step of the way. Right.
And it's not just like, okay, this is his late wife's family. Like, that's reason enough to like

Speaker 1 join and still remain close, but like, that's also his best friend. Like, he met Anna, his late wife, because they were besties.
Right. Like, what?

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, totally.
That's not just like going to go away. That doesn't like leave your life.

Speaker 2 And, and the guy, the OP, is like very involved with the kids and like babysitting and stuff which it's like

Speaker 2 what's the not dead ones name hazel i have recall no names are off

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 now i forgot what i was gonna say were you talking about were you about to talk about the village the village like it takes a like he's got a good village right right now i wasn't gonna say the village but that is a good point yeah but now that you said it it does he needs to like marry someone who's more chill and who gets it.

Speaker 2 Probably a widower.

Speaker 1 Honestly, I've got a friend. She's super down to be a stepmom.
Yeah. She like actually might prefer it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it same. That's what I always said.

Speaker 2 Like if, which I would literally pray to God and be like, I know there's a God if if I married someone who doesn't want kids and then I became a lesbian and it's like impossible.

Speaker 2 I know it's not, but I choose it to be.

Speaker 2 But it's like, yeah, even with the stepmom, like some, I think there's a really complicated dynamic with having a dead one, you know, because like there's, it's not like you kind of get to talk shit on the ex-wife or get to have a relationship with her.

Speaker 2 If Hazel did, it doesn't sound like she does, but it's like, right.

Speaker 2 And she can't just go into someone else's house and walk all over them. Like that's, she is like, yeah.

Speaker 1 She's being

Speaker 2 no she's way too extreme what's like above entitled um what would like be above that uh what would be above entitled i don't know uh bitchy no i think that's below entitled

Speaker 2 is there anything above entitled i don't know but there should be you're right controlling Definitely controlling.

Speaker 1 I'm going to need all of you to like write in.

Speaker 1 What is above entitled? Because that is the level at which Hazel is at.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.
She just should not have married into that. So, and it's hard.
It's hard thinking. Right.

Speaker 2 If you guys really love each other, but like, yeah, you should have maybe faced these issues before, or he needs to sit her down and be like, look, this is what it is.

Speaker 2 We can like work through it together. Yeah.
But this behavior has got to stop. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say Hazel wouldn't take that well.

Speaker 1 No, but I don't really give a fuck about Hazel.

Speaker 2 No, me either. She's got to go.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 the bright side of this, like, at least she kind of likes her stepkids. I'm like, okay, she wants them in her heart or whatever that weird

Speaker 1 thing was, but she's still trying to destroy any memory of their mom, which is psychotic.

Speaker 2 Yeah, which I think she has malintentions for wanting the kids to like her. I think she wants to be above the wife.
She wants to be loved more.

Speaker 1 I'm your new mommy. Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 2 Weird. I know, because she doesn't want any trace, but like as a kid, I feel like you should be able to see where you came from, you know?

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 And like hold on to the memory. There's, there's a place.
I think there's a place you can, or a way you can do both.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think so too.
Top comment, not the asshole. Anna was your sister, not just Josh's wife.
It's perfectly reasonable for you to have photos of her and her art in your home.

Speaker 1 Also, especially with the kids, it's important for them to remember their mother and to see photos of themselves with her.

Speaker 1 Hazel may be their stepmom, but it sounds like she's trying to replace Anna in the minds and hearts of Anna's own children. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gabby, you are on it.

Speaker 2 I know Hazel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they go on to say that's a red flag for me. Yeah.
Right. And the talk needs to be had with Josh.
It's one thing to remove Anna from Josh and Hazel's home.

Speaker 1 It's a whole level of crazy to remove from OP's home. Mm-hmm.
And that's like,

Speaker 1 you think about that, that, you're like, wait, okay, let's just that, like, asking someone to take down stuff that's on their wall.

Speaker 2 Right. Especially art.
Like, it doesn't even have her face on it.

Speaker 1 Art, art that she made.

Speaker 2 Yes. Like, how petty are you? You're just jealous that nobody ever made you art and like you get to hang it in your home.
And I know that feeling because Robbie's grandpa was a painter.

Speaker 2 He was a famous painter in Montreal.

Speaker 1 Oh, cool.

Speaker 2 I know. And so I get jealous that I didn't have

Speaker 1 a painter in the family. Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 That I, yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe you just need to become the painter.

Speaker 2 Ooh, whoa, that's deep. That's really deep.
But she is sweet because I'm like, we're like, speaking of death, we're like, I wonder what happens when we die.

Speaker 2 And she's like, I bet you'll meet my grandfather first with open arms.

Speaker 1 So she's saying you'll die first.

Speaker 2 Well, my thing is, is like she wants to live to 110.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell no.

Speaker 2 No, exactly. And I want to be in full control of my death because I am a control freak.
So like I'll be of a certain age, but I.

Speaker 1 How old do you envision?

Speaker 2 Depends on my health. But like I'm thinking in my 80s and then all euthanasia myself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, going out by choice in Switzerland sounds nice. Yeah.
I fully thought when you were, you were about to say like, I want to be fully in control.

Speaker 1 I literally thought you were going to be like, I want to be fully in control of my bowels. And like after that, it's over.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yeah.
Once I lose that, it's done, which honestly, it goes hand in hand.

Speaker 1 I don't like, I honestly, though, I thought about it because I also, I really have to pee right now, but I'm like, wearing a diaper.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, you lose your integrity like when you go, when you're sick, um, and it's progressive like that.
It's like the people who die in their sleep.

Speaker 1 That's what I want to do. Ideal.

Speaker 2 My same. I want to make myself die in my sleep.

Speaker 1 That's like, I just like, I don't, I'm like, beggars can't be choosers, right? But like, my fiancé's grandma, just great grandma, just passed away. She was 99.
Yeah. In her sleep.
Wow.

Speaker 1 just that's ideal.

Speaker 2 Is that luck? Like, how do you get that? Because I'm sure I don't have good enough karma.

Speaker 1 My genetics are

Speaker 1 not great.

Speaker 2 No, what are they?

Speaker 1 Not great. I got heart disease, cancer, bad hips.
I got it all.

Speaker 2 Oh my god. Oh, that's why you're so worried about your hips with baby birth.

Speaker 1 See, yeah, break your legs. Yeah, they're gonna come right for your legs.

Speaker 1 Her eyes were gone. Her teeth were gone.

Speaker 1 That's literally my view.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 One last choice for you. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. I saved some like obscure Reddit titles that are like random rapid fire questions.
Yeah. You can have those,

Speaker 1 those,

Speaker 1 or the, I accidentally hooked up with my dead ex's sister.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Should we do the rapid fire? Just because I feel like I can't turn it down.

Speaker 2 And it's, it's an addition.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Up first.

Speaker 1 What is the worst response to I love you?

Speaker 2 The worst response to I love you is probably,

Speaker 2 I don't love you.

Speaker 2 I hate you.

Speaker 1 Like that guy. We need to talk.
Yes. Or just silence.

Speaker 2 Yeah, silence. Because I don't even think thank you is that bad.
People are like, thank you is the worst response. I'm like,

Speaker 2 I did that.

Speaker 2 With Robbie. Thank you.
Right. You said thank you.
Yeah. Not like just thank you, but I was like, oh, thank you so much.
I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's so fair, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah. What else do you say? You can't just say, oh, I'm not there yet.
You still have to like keep your decorum.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Somebody's pouring out their heart to you. So I think the worst response is probably fuck you.

Speaker 1 I would agree with that. I literally said no when my fiancé asked me to be his girlfriend at first, and that was awkward.

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Good for you. Establishing your dominance, though.

Speaker 2 You're like, the next day, you're like, kidding.

Speaker 1 I do still like you I just don't want to be exclusive yet yeah no that's fair I had to make sure yeah okay this is a hot take okay slow walkers are worse than slow drivers

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 2 some people really hate slow walkers

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 2 I don't know yeah I don't really mind either but if I had to pick one slow drivers because they're easier to get around slow walkers especially when they're like swaying swaying.

Speaker 1 Oh my god, or they're like weaving in front of you and like you don't have a clear path to weave in front of them.

Speaker 2 Literally, they're not on a straight path, or they have a lot of bags and it's like taking up the whole sidewalk. Then you have to, like, I don't even say, excuse me.

Speaker 2 I just like, um, who's the mom in the Incredibles? I like with a slinky, she's like, slinky, yes, or what is it? And I just want to like go into the wall, somehow contort my body and go around them.

Speaker 2 Go over them.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 literally, that seems worse. I will cut anyone off

Speaker 2 and make it seem like it's their idea. So I don't really mind a slow driver.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be on the highway the same time as you.

Speaker 2 You do. It's seamless.

Speaker 1 If aliens visited Earth, what's the first thing we should show them?

Speaker 2 I'm like, my tits. You're nude.

Speaker 1 That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 You're nude.

Speaker 2 Let all of the other universes know and tell them to follow me on Instagram.

Speaker 2 If they have any kind of brand deals that they're willing to give from from outer space like I want to establish my fame early in case I end up there at some point in time

Speaker 1 I would love to like live on a little spaceship for a while yeah would you like a Xenon yeah I mean she really sold it yeah and that's the thing like if I could guarantee like I'm not gonna get sucked into a black hole like

Speaker 1 I would probably try it, but I'm like really scared of flying. So like, I don't know if I could handle the rocket ship.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's going to work out for you.

Speaker 1 No, I was a flight attendant too. Like really? Make that make sense.

Speaker 2 Isn't that crazy how sometimes we get ourselves in that situation? How? It's like going to work. I was so anxious as a nurse because I'm terrified of people.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, like in large masses. And like if I have to like talk to a lot of people, I don't know.
You're just one person and you're very welcoming.

Speaker 1 But you like, you went on the bachelor. Like you got it.
Like, that's intimidating. No, I overkill.
Going up against like

Speaker 1 24 other women. And like, you have to be friends, but you can't be too friendly because you're competing in a like.

Speaker 2 Right. In front of a camera, I do become invincible.
I can do the unexpected. I can, it's, it's really crazy.
I truly come alive.

Speaker 1 See, I think you could do stand-up.

Speaker 2 And I, and I take a lot of propanolol.

Speaker 2 So much so that one time when I was in Croatia on the bachelor, they had to send the Croatian medics because my heart rate was so low, I was getting nauseous.

Speaker 2 And they took my pulse and my heart rate was in the 30s.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's why I'm nauseous all the time. Propanol?

Speaker 1 My heart rate's too low. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I before, I was like earlier today. I was like, God, I'm nauseous again today.
Are you not pregnant?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 No, there's no chance.

Speaker 1 No chance. Are you okay?

Speaker 2 Cause you haven't pulled the goalie.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 There is no goalie okay i'm playing with fire yeah you pull and pray it only works if you pray condoms shut the up yeah non-latex because the latex ones are disgusting oh my god i know that is truly incredible i deserve you some sort of award you are a warrior and that shows um

Speaker 2 it does show the character of your fiancé because men would be like no he's a good one i just thought he's a a unicorn.

Speaker 1 He really is. He's a unicorn.
Yeah. Last but not least, what is a dumb rumor you've heard about yourself?

Speaker 2 They're all true.

Speaker 2 I love them. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Speaker 1 I love them. Believe them all.
I love that. God, this has been so fun.
I'm like, I don't want you to leave.

Speaker 2 No, I loved it. This is a genius concept, by the way.

Speaker 1 Can you come co-host with me again?

Speaker 2 Please. Oh, my God.
Anytime.

Speaker 1 This was so good. So fun.
Where can people listen to your podcast, though? Where can they find you? Yes. You're doing it all right now.

Speaker 2 I know. It's really too much, which is why I need my nudes to be leaked so I can back the fuck off.

Speaker 1 Work smarter, not harder.

Speaker 2 Yes. You can find my podcast on all platforms, including YouTube.
It's long-winded. I'm on TikTok as gabby.wendy and Instagram as Gabby Wendy.
I'm begging for your attention. This is a plea.

Speaker 1 All of Gabby's links links are going to be in the description. I will make it so easy to find her.
Give her podcast a listen, especially the episode with you and your girlfriend Robbie. Amazing.

Speaker 1 I literally, it's like going to be my mission now to get like the two of you on together. Cause, like,

Speaker 1 Robbie is so funny. Check out her stand-up.
I'm just like,

Speaker 2 no, she's incredible.

Speaker 2 She's one of a kind.

Speaker 1 I love it. But thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Until next time, guys. Bye.
Yay.