Trippin On Ayahuasca In Peru w/ Carmen Lynch | You Be Trippin' with Ari Shaffir

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Thanks for doing it, by the way.

Sure, thank you.

It's nice to talk to like a real ayahuasca person.

Yeah.

A shaman.

Okay.

We're going to talk about travel today.

It's you'll be trippin'.

Yeah.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome to you be trippin'.

My guest today.

Oh, this is a travel podcast.

We go to one new place every episode.

My guest today is the person who really helped me start this podcast, not intentionally, but I had her in my head when I was thinking of how to do it because she's such a great traveler.

Really one of the best in the comedy world.

Carmen Lynch.

And she has a new special out called Kweef Week right now on youtube.com on Mark Norman's YouTube account.

It's hilarious.

You should go check it out.

Keef Week.

But really, I'm here to talk to you about travel, and we're going to go today to

the jungle.

To the jungle, to Peru.

And the Amazon, I believe, is different than Peru or Ecuador or Amazon.

Oh, my God.

The jungle of the Amazon.

Oriente, Amazonia.

It's like its own country.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, you can check out Carmen, Carmen Comedian, on Instagram.

She's amazing.

Let's just get into it.

All right.

Okay.

So where, first of all, why?

Let's.

Peru.

Okay.

So, yeah.

So I've never done drugs besides weed.

Really?

So I was like, you know how they say, and it sounds cheesy to people who've never done ayahuasca, but you're like being called to do it.

Like, I've heard that several times.

Like, it's calling you to do it.

Yeah.

And it's not like I wake up and I'm like, ah, ayahuasca.

But I did feel something.

Like, I want to do this.

I know for sure.

And then a friend of a friend had just started talking about this amazing place in Peru.

And I knew immediately.

I'm like, that's the place.

I feel it.

I'm going.

You felt it.

I felt it.

You felt like connected to it.

And so I was like, okay, so I bought a ticket to

Lima, and then you go on this small flight to Iquitos.

Was anyone on her flight going to go with you?

Do you know?

No, I was like alone and I kind of wanted to go alone, but then I was also told like, be careful, because these small Peruvian places, like, they're not, they're just different.

Yeah, but you travel.

I travel, but it reminded me of India.

You have to be careful.

Right, right.

Like, there's, I stand, I'm six feet tall.

I'm white.

Yeah.

So they're like, hey, lady, you know, constantly constantly I stuck out Yeah, and boss hey boss hey boss right boss right or no

What are those little rickshaws?

They were just like you know

those little bikes that they have with the like get in yeah

You speak Spanish, right?

I do but once I tried it the first day once I started speaking Spanish They would not leave me alone.

So I was like no espa no no no Espanol like I just acted like an American.

That's what I did for hearing.

No, their eyes lit up and they were like ah ras español que mien, benaquí.

And I was like, I'm not doing that again.

So, hey, do you know, does your Spanish, Spanish in South America put you like at a higher class?

Um, if I spoke it to them, they might feel something, but I don't, they would think that maybe.

Yeah, they'd be like, Where are you from?

Spain.

Oh, I noticed your lisp.

You have a lisp,

you know.

But you know what's interesting is when you're valet.

All right.

Who the fuck are you?

Valet, vale, vale.

But

they,

it's funny, once you get to a kitos, they're like, ah, you are here for ayahuasca, hey?

Oh, really?

Because they know why like Westerners come to this town.

Whoa.

So even that, they were like, I don't do it.

They were like, people die.

They were scaring the shit out of me.

I had to call my friend of a friend and be like, am I going to die?

Because everyone, I think they just don't want, they don't want white people.

They don't want Westerners in their town or something.

I don't know.

But they were like, you're going to lose your mind.

So this is, okay.

So then I took from Iquitos, I took a two-hour bus ride.

Great.

And then a two-hour boat ride on the Amazon.

So now you're in the middle of the jungle in this like

place

with like cabins.

in the in the jungle any by the way any place you say by accident you want to just like hey can you just take that out take it out yeah just say it yeah yeah it's fine okay You don't have to remember it later.

Just like right then, you can say it.

Okay.

It's fine.

All right.

All right.

Okay.

So don't worry about it is my point.

Okay, cool.

So, but yeah, I felt uneasy until I got to the bus stop and I saw other people doing,

like, going to do ayahuasca.

And then you felt more.

And then I was like, are you here for that thing?

And they're like, yes.

And I'm like, oh, my God.

Other whites.

Other whites.

Yeah.

And I hate to say that, but it's true.

I use whites meaning tourist.

Okay, yeah.

Because they're just generally nothing but.

Yeah.

So it's like, it's just a fun way to say it.

But I mean, we all stuck out.

It was like Australians and mostly people from like Middle America, the Midwest, and then me.

Whoa.

There were like 10 of us going to the jungle to do this.

So we stuck out, you know, in this town.

Was there, so how long did you get like acclimated to Latin America first before you were like, all right, let's go do drugs?

I was there for two days or day and a half.

Yeah.

And then they were also saying like at the Lima airport, they were like, don't leave the airport.

It's not safe.

So I stayed in the airport for eight hours because.

Let me see where Lima is.

Sorry.

Okay.

Peru.

Yeah, no, Lima's the capital of Peru.

Oh, I see it.

So right on the coast.

So they were like, before I took that small plane, they were like

inland to the Amazon.

You got to go inland.

Oh, yeah.

And then you got to take the bus ride and the boat ride.

And now you're surrounded by the other people doing the ayahuasca, so you feel like, okay, at least I don't have this feeling alone.

Yeah.

You know?

It's scary.

It's scary.

The journey to the jungle was probably just as scary

as the ayahuasca.

Do you get, when you go to another place, do you immediately get like,

like shit, what's everybody like like scared?

Well, the the guy in charge was laughing at me because he's like, your eyes, he's like, you're so expressive and you're tall.

And you were like, I was supposed to say his name was like Peter.

Yeah.

And I knew that I was supposed to meet a Peter, right?

And then he came up to me and he goes, I'm Peter.

And he says, your face changed.

You were like, oh my God, it's Peter.

Oh, it's going to be okay.

Like, because it's scary.

You know?

So once I found him, I was like, it's going to be okay.

You know?

This is a recommendation from a friend this place.

Yes,

a friend of a friend who'd gone twice.

And then that person was like, oh, I got a spot for you.

Yeah.

And he, I trust him with my life.

He's not a comic.

He's just someone I know from my past.

That's a good way to say it.

He's not a comic, obviously.

A civilian with a real job.

And, you know, he's got a family, everything.

So I'm like, that guy did it twice.

He came here.

I'm like, it's such a normal thing.

I'm good.

Yeah.

It's not drugs.

I mean, it's definitely a thing, but it's not drugs.

No, but

they kept a lot of people had done it and they'd done shrooms and acid and all this stuff.

And they're like, how is it that you've not done anything?

And I, this is so naive, but I didn't know that like mushrooms and all of that were like, like psychedelics were like medicinal.

Like I thought you just saw like purple cows flying and orange stars and clowns.

And people there were like, no, you can learn so much from LSD.

And I'm like, why the fuck did I never do this?

Well, I think the LSD is an interesting one because it's definitely newer.

You know, it's like in the last century.

Yeah.

Half, I guess.

But now I want to do everything.

Like there was a guy there who's done San Pedro and all that stuff.

But the other stuff, mushroom, San Pedro, what's the cactus one?

Is that San Pedro?

That's San Pedro, I think.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's all like shamanistic from like North American Indians versus like South American Indians.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

It's all all used in like, so everything I saw in like the, the museums and stuff were like their shaman were just like another like a warrior class.

Okay.

Of just like spiritual war.

But it's, it's just all fascinating to me.

And

the fact that it's medicinal, I was like, I felt the medicine like some of it immediately.

It really.

And then some of it to this day.

They're like, when you go home months from now, you will still feel changes.

And that is so true but that's because i think that's because i did it five times you know five times

yeah two on three one off two three on what how did it was uh three nights in a row and then one off and then two more what kind of place did you stay in in it's in the jungle like it's in uh like little lot log cabins okay

and uh you go on a special diet no air conditioning okay so you go that's why i went in September because it was hot, but it wasn't like awful.

Yeah.

And there were like fan, you could bring your own fan and stuff.

But you go on a special diet to cleanse your body.

Uh-huh.

For how long?

For the whole week.

So it's

no, well, no alcohol, no coffee, obviously, but there's like, you know, no.

No coffee.

That's right, no coffee.

No sauce, like plain dried up chicken, which was amazing, though, because the chicken was alive like an hour ago.

So it's like fresh chicken.

You'd be like, there's that chicken we're having for dinner tonight.

But then every, you didn't have to do the diet.

So like people had sauces.

Chicken was allowed.

Pork not allowed.

Pork not allowed.

So we just had eggs and chicken and dried up fish.

That was hard.

And plain rice.

That was it for the whole week.

Like I lost, I gained some weight back, but I lost like 10 pounds.

Wow.

Like I came back and my mom was like, what the fuck?

And I didn't tell her.

I was like, oh, I just went on a retreat.

And she, I mean, she wouldn't even understand what ayahuasca is.

But, but then you have to stay on, you know, off the, like afterwards, 30 days, no sex, 30 days, no alcohol.

This is interesting to me to hear about it because I think it's tribe to tribe, what they tell you to do.

Well, the other thing that I found interesting about this diet is that if there were like 10 or 11 of us, like maybe three or four of us did the diet.

That's it.

You could choose to do the diet.

And the reason for the diet was

you will feel the ayahuasca more intensely.

So me having done nothing, I was surprised the other people who had done ayahuasca didn't go on the diet because why wouldn't you want to feel more?

So I went on this like diet.

Oh fuck yeah.

Give me the diet.

Give me all this shit.

But beforehand or during?

The decision was beforehand.

So I mean you already started cleansing yourself.

Yeah, but the not the dried chicken and all that.

It was just like no alcohol for a week before or something.

It was barely anything.

But once you're there,

yeah, we couldn't brush our teeth with toothpaste.

Because chemical.

Because you had to brush without anything on it.

You can't, like, you shower.

Yes, though.

I know.

It's kind of because that, and then

you can shower with only water.

So, but that first, it's everything, like that first sandwich when you're done, that first toothpaste, that first soap.

Like, it's amazing.

Guys, I'm going to break in really quickly to let you know a little bit about the guest today.

It's Carmen Lynch, one of the best stand-up comics in New York City working today.

As soon as I got here to New York, I noticed, God damn, she's funny.

She's respected by everybody here.

She's far less famous than she should be.

You guys should check out her special, Queef Week, that was released on Mark Norman's YouTube page.

That's how much he believes in her.

He's like, I'll put out your special.

She's got almost 600,000 views.

Carmen Lynch is a baller.

She's also a traveler galore.

When I first started this podcast, I legitimately had in mind to get her on about Spain,

about the Pan Contamate,

and just life in general.

But man, she hit me with this crazy stuff about the Andes.

No, the jungle.

Damn, it's the Amazon.

This stupid thing I'm wearing in the YouTube version does not apply.

It's the Amazon.

This is an Andean mask, Diablo Uma.

Balls.

Well,

she's going to be performing in a bunch of different places.

Luray, Virginia on August 2nd.

And then in Buenos Aires, Argentina in September, September 5th and 7th.

September 5th in English, September 7th in Español.

Levantown, New York, September 12th and 13th.

And then in Paris, France on October 18th.

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So, there's on mushrooms,

everyone talks about like, I don't know, like certain like sex or shit like that afterwards, or jerking off, which I always say, like, jerk off before you go to sleep, after you take mushrooms.

It's like, oh, whoa,

but that shower is so good.

Yeah, and it's so hot there.

And they, if you were on the diet, they recommended showering three times a day, which is basically just water.

Yeah.

Because you're, and the other thing is, if you're on this diet, you had to drink this special tea.

So they would show you the trees in the, because you're in the jungle.

So they would show you the trees that are going into the ayahuasca liquid.

Yeah.

And separately.

They'd show you the trees.

Like they'd be like, okay, this kind of tree does this, this kind of tree does that.

We're putting all of those in with the vine, with the ayahuasca.

So what's the ayahuasca?

What's that do?

So it's the, I mean, I don't know the terms, but but ayahuasca is mixed with something to make it.

Yeah.

The vine is mixed with something to make it ayahuasca.

They would add extra bark from other things to make it more potent.

And if you were on the diet, every day early before the ceremony, so three or only three or four of us would drink this special tree bark tea that was fucking amazing.

So, and you could tell.

It tasted good.

It was good, but after, every day day it was like, it was thicker because it just sat in the bark.

So by the last day, it was like tree mush.

But I was like, this is for, you know, it's all medicinal.

It's good.

Just take it.

And I love that too.

Like the discipline.

They're like, you can't do this and you can't do this.

It kind of makes you feel empowered.

You know, you're like, oh, I can't do that.

And then,

and then.

And it's your decision to do it.

You're not just out of it.

No, you're totally

going without.

But then when the ayahuasca ceremonies happened, the people who who were on the diet, you could tell that they were getting more of an intense ceremony because of the tree diet.

Yeah.

Of that tree bark that they were drinking.

What I gathered was the ayahuasca is not what makes you trip, and the ayahuasca is what cleans you out and then allows whatever is in the other stuff.

Yeah.

I mean, I believe that.

So yeah, I don't really know the signs.

I don't know if it's DMT in like, you know how there's that in everything?

Yeah.

Like grass and like deer and everything.

Yeah.

So I thought it was the IOS that cleans you out and then the DMT or whatever that thing is in whatever they mix it with is what gets you fucking.

I mean, that, what I don't understand that either.

Like, whatever people say, no.

Yeah.

So, but basically, once you have the...

the liquid or whatever, because it's not even liquid.

It's like, it's like, it almost tastes like really bad coffee grinds.

Didn't you find it was like

the stuff to drink?

The drink.

It's disgusting.

It's disgusting.

And there were, it was funny, there were two of the girls that I hung out with the most there,

they would, they would gag, they would

like that, and they couldn't do it.

And they were like, you guys have to do it, just drink it.

Did they speak English to you or Spanish?

Um, English, everybody spoke English, yeah.

Okay, except for the shaman, he didn't speak English, spoke what, Quechua, Quechua, Spanish, yeah.

So he added like his translator person.

That was my thing.

It was like, I was like, your second language is is Spanish and mine also.

Yeah.

Like, we're going to like barely communicate here.

Yeah.

No, but

everyone, yeah, everyone there, except, yeah, everyone there spoke English and

that stuff got thicker by the, by the end of the week.

The ayahuasca liquid.

I don't even know what to call it.

Because he made the batch, the potion?

He made it the first.

For like a big potion for that.

For a big potion for that first, he made it that first night or that first day.

And then by the end of it, it was like, oh, it was so gross.

What was he dressed like?

Like regular.

Jeans and a t-shirt?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay.

But the, did you have like Icaro and everything?

What is that?

The singing and the blowing.

That's so fascinating.

Blow smoke in your face.

Yes.

Did they do the tobacco, snorting tobacco?

Yes.

Yeah, that was a weird one.

The person I was with asked for, I wish I had a re-up on the tobacco.

Yeah.

Like three hours in.

Like, can I get some of that tobacco?

and they're like sure everyone it's so funny like everyone even the people like it gets you wild yeah people were smoking and and and what it was like a special cigarette and i was like if i do this i know i'll just get hooked so i'm not gonna do it afterwards i was he was like don't do this don't do that you know don't eat pork uh don't eat whatever and i was like okay hey can we have this there was a uh vulcan um like a like a fish ceviche volcan from that area just from that town we're like can we have that he goes no there's all these chemicals and that stuff it's like it's got like chips and stuff on it oh and we're like oh but it's just fish he goes but the chips are what the problem is we're like okay can we have kooi and he goes i don't know about kooi what's kooey guinea pig oh wow he goes i don't i'm actually not sure everything else is like yes no yes and i was like what about a cigar and and i'm thinking he'd be like no way yeah everyone was smoking yeah obviously yeah like what why he goes tobacco is a sister drug and i was like

we just have it as a bad thing to do so we did all this like uh botany exploration there.

Yeah.

And, and so, some of the people just were at farms.

It was like, let me show you what all these plants do.

Yeah.

It was like, this one's good for circulation.

And then they took it and smack you with it.

And you're like, what is that?

And then all of a sudden, you start tingling.

Your whole arm starts tingling.

The best one

was, this one's for period cramps.

And it's like, how do you know?

Like, how do you guys know this?

And he goes, look at it.

And he takes the leaf and turns it over.

It looks like it's been dipped in blood.

Weird.

Yeah.

Well, we were like, it's just all been cultivated by, you know, generations before.

But that's why somebody had asked, well, how did they know how to make ayahuasca in the first person?

Because it's a certain, like, it's a

big deal.

Like, you have to sit there and boil it and whatever.

And they were like, the spirits showed them how to make it.

Yeah.

But how did they even get?

I mean, it's just like, what's generation?

But even we went on this massive nature hike after the fifth day because they wanted us to see the trees that we had drank.

Yeah.

And it was exactly what you said.

They'd be like, okay, this one does blah, blah, blah.

And

they'd be like, this was your snake bite.

How do you know?

It's like, look, it looks like fangs.

And you're like, it does look like fangs.

But it would be like, because we also had group shares every day after

the ceremony.

Yeah.

So like, say you were in the group share and you had talked about, I don't know.

Share, really.

Interesting.

Fascinating.

Yeah.

And you obviously didn't have to share, but everyone shared.

About what they saw?

About what they saw because they kept it in the circle, like, you know, just they kept it there.

He said that was okay.

But also, and you, you don't have to say everything, like, but you could say as much as you want.

And

that was fascinating because, say, like, you were dealing with, I don't know,

memory issues, you know, like you had blocked memories.

Then later on the hike,

they'd be like, okay, that tree over there, Ari,

that tree helped you deal with seeing those things because that tree's really good with memory.

Like, so you connected with the, with the trees and you found the one that kind of, I don't know, you connected with the most.

It's hard to explain.

But the shaman knew because, you know, he's been drinking for so many years.

Like, they drink with you at the ceremony.

Yeah.

And.

And so he's fucked up.

You're like, hey, I need some advice here.

And he's like, I'm fucking trying.

But they basically they said that when they drink it that much, they don't get effects like that.

They only drink a little bit, but they don't get as, it's almost like drinking beer so long.

I heard the, yeah, I heard that if you want to shaman somebody on, or whatever, that's the wrong word, but if you want to like help somebody eat on a mushroom trip, the ideal mushroom trip or acid trip is

a few guys, heavy dose, hero doses.

Yeah.

And then one guy with a small dose and then one guy doing nothing.

Okay.

And so the guy with the small dose is like the go-between.

Okay.

He's not going to get fucked up and floored, but he's like, well, I can talk to you, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I can work on it.

Yeah.

See, now I'm so fascinated to do all of this.

I'm shocked you haven't done anything before because it, to me, was so similar to mushrooms, but like

an explosive new level.

That's what people were saying.

They're like, ayahuasca is like the mother of all drugs.

Like before it really kicked in, I'm like, this is similar, but even stronger than mushrooms.

But that's before it really kicked in.

Yeah.

When it starts to kick in, I remember my friend of a friend was like, just go in with your intention, like no resistance, no resistance.

And you're sitting there because if you block it, you can kind of block what happens.

You have to just let it go.

And you're like, just let it go, no resistance.

And I'm like,

it's starting.

Holy shit.

Like, I can, you know, you see stuff and you're like, what the fuck?

But then I found it calming to know that in like three or four hours, it's over.

That's what I tell everybody about mushrooms.

Like,

it is going to end.

Yeah.

So if you're like, is this going to be, it's just, it's five hours pretty much max and you'll be back.

but the first night don't worry about that if you're like is has it got it's like the sun is not up yet so it's not a new day so right so it hasn't been that much time but it's hard to trust that with ayahuasca if you've never done it before on that first night it's it's once it's over you're like okay i can go through it because it was hell it was i mean i fought with the devil like you know not literally but things that that I saw.

Like that shit is heavy shit.

My guy was like when I threw up.

Yeah.

That's when it kicks in, right?

Or how much?

Pretty much.

Yeah, yeah.

The other person in my group threw up way before me and was gone.

And I'm just kind of having like a mushroom trip.

And I'm like, not there.

And then I started getting nauseous.

I was like, don't throw up, don't throw up.

And then I realized, no, do throw up.

And then once I did, the guy was like, the guy was like, well, go ahead.

What were you going to say?

I was going to say, like, the first night, I was like, nauseous, throw up, throw up.

And then the other nights, I was like, you know what?

I find that it stays in my system longer.

Cooking.

If I don't throw up until I absolutely have to.

Ooh, like an enema.

Like, just leave it in there.

I want to throw up.

I want to throw up.

Don't do it.

Don't do it.

And then I would either like shit it out an hour later.

You shit during.

Oh, yeah.

Wait, you didn't have.

How many people are in your room?

Projectile diarrhea?

No.

Oh, no, not projectile.

Like, you could, see, that's the other weird thing.

Like, if you're wasted, you're like, you could shit on the street if you're that way.

I don't know.

Like, but ayahuasca, it doesn't matter how much you've done.

I feel like I was like, I need to go to the bathroom.

That was my biggest fear, was the shitting.

No, like you could, you could literally just be like, I think I need to go to the bathroom.

Like, you're still like conscious.

Like, I should go to the bathroom.

Like, you're not shitting all over people.

Like, I didn't know what was going to happen.

I thought I was going to run into the jungle naked and just start screaming.

But you're conscious.

You're like, this is crazy.

The shit I'm seeing right now is fucking unreal, but I'm going to stop for a second and walk to the bath.

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What are they, what instructions do they give you for like dealing with other people?

You just everything's dark.

You have your flashlight and you just find like there's like eight toilets over there.

Everyone has a bucket.

So like you just go do your, you just do your own thing.

You don't talk to anyone.

And,

but they, like these, some of these places are really good about,

you know, I, I've heard of groups where someone will just start screaming and dancing and trying to get attention.

Attention, that'd be lame.

But no one was like that in our group.

My guy was like, hey, it was just two of us.

It was right post-COVID.

So that might have been lucky.

Yeah.

Because things weren't really open.

Yeah.

But it was definitely a big enough place for 12, 15 people.

But it was two of us.

And they were like, you're on that side of the fire.

Don't go to that side.

That's your side.

Don't talk to that side.

Yeah, don't talk to anyone.

You're on this side.

Don't talk to that side.

Don't deal with them.

You're going to hear shit.

Don't get involved.

Don't even say, How you doing?

Are you okay?

Don't do any of that.

They're on their journey.

You're on your journey.

Yeah.

But what my guy, what he said was, as soon as I threw up, I like went to the, there was an exit there and there, you know, just like a hut.

Yeah.

And then I saw some shit like protecting it for sure.

Yeah.

Like a veil like covering the whole hut.

And I was like, oh, that's how jaguars don't get in.

But like, it wasn't there.

And then you're like, oh.

So then I threw up.

He was right there with some water.

And he was like, don't drink it.

Just swish your mouth.

Yeah, swish your mouth.

You can't drink.

Yeah.

And he was like, I mean, I guess in Spanish, I don't know.

But he was like, how you feeling?

I was like, good it's like you having um visions and i was like it's more mental yeah and he goes okay go back in he goes fight be strong and fight

what does that mean like fight what the fucking bad spirits are coming really yeah interesting he goes you gotta i don't know you gotta fight did you drink it did you stay uh awake in the ceremony or did you close your eyes

So there's the,

you sit in the, I mean, I'd rather get yours, but you, you sit in a chair.

They fucking do stuff, blow smoke on you, and eventually you drink the thing, and then it's like, all right, now go sit down.

You had a little,

I wouldn't even call it a yoga mat, just a little beaded mat.

Okay.

With like a shitty, like child's pillow.

Okay.

Did you have a bucket to throw up?

I don't remember.

But I definitely threw up

outside the...

I bet I did because what if I couldn't get to the outside?

It'd be nice to have a bunch of people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Also, if you have 12 people, I don't want to go around anybody.

Yeah, that's the part where tons of space.

It was hard to walk

under the influence.

Oh, I was definitely like, like, walking like

dark, yeah.

Where am I going?

Yeah, yeah, and they can see you, like, you know, the assistants or whatever.

The familiar, I'm calling them.

Yeah, so they, the familia, so they can see you, and they're like, okay, I think Carmen needs help getting to the bathroom.

Not like to, you know, go to the bathroom, but just like walking over.

Or like, there were certain colors of flashlights that you were supposed to use, like keep the red light on to not disturb people, to not disturb people.

And my white light kept coming on, and so they would just come over and like help me.

But it it was one of those moments, like one of those things where I was like, I'm not going to do this again.

Like, I'm going to spend the rest of the week on my diet with my special tea

and hang out in the jungle.

It's amazing.

And by the next night, you're like,

I need to keep going.

I need to do this again.

Wow.

Yeah.

What was the diet?

Fruit?

The diet was just the dry fish, the eggs, and the chicken.

And then you would watch everyone else eat like fruit and like

the fruit in South America is the juices are ridiculous.

It's so fucking good.

And I'm like, I can't, I just had water.

It's all in season too.

So like when we got, when we got to Ecuador, we like went from

Guayaquil de Cuenca.

So you have to to go up this pass and he's like let's stop at a fruit stand we gotta we gotta get our dog like ready for the yeah for the what's it called anyway um altitude so we had to stop every like thousand feet the dog our dog was so every thousand feet you just kind of stop let him walk around and then keep going then every thousand you know that's so he doesn't get nauseous um

So we stopped at this fruit stand, we got mango, and it was like the best mango I've ever had, literally ever had.

Yeah.

But then the next time we were going on the same route, we're like, oh, let's stop at that fruit stand.

We're like, where are are the mangoes?

They're like, not seasoned.

And we're like, oh, right.

You can't just get everything always.

It's so fucking good.

But even the eggs.

Pineapples.

Like, what the fuck?

It was insane.

And even the eggs are darker.

Deep orange.

They're closer to this.

Yes, they look like.

They're closer to that.

And they're so good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then you're like, what the fuck are they feeding us here?

Anyway, let's go.

So imagine just not eating anything.

And then that first sandwich, sandwich with like tomato, the juicy tomatoes and all all the

stuff.

It was a huge, that was orgasmic.

That was like, I hadn't eaten in a week, you know, except for this dried fish and chicken.

So, yeah, it was incredible.

Did you get any sense of, I think, like, um,

uh,

modes of journey are like kind of important.

Um, and so did you feel any sort of like separation from America by taking a plane to a bus to a boat?

Like, you're entering into a literal new area.

Well, I, they suggested don't look at your phone a lot.

So, and like make a one call a day or that kind of thing.

So, I just checked in with my boyfriend.

I told my mom that I was on a silent retreat.

Smart.

You know, I told, I didn't actually talk to any of my friends about it because I, I, I told like friends that I was going on a retreat.

I wouldn't want anybody to give me any advice ahead of time or anything.

Exactly.

I didn't want anyone to either judge me or tell me, what are you doing about, you know?

So, I just told my boyfriend, and I think that's, and then the person who referred me, um, and that's it, because I was like, I want to go in this with an open mind.

Yeah, and then it was also suggested, like, if you can go alone, go alone, because it's a, it's one of those, like, I'm having thoughts, let me journal this shit.

And how much do you journal?

A ton, so much, so much, so much.

And then you spent a week just like in a notebook in a notebook afterwards.

I heard that.

A lot of purge.

Like, the purging is like either, you know, shitting or vomiting or crying or yawning.

Like they said everything,

and I did, you do all of those.

Like it's crazy.

And then you spend the rest of the day, like you wake up in the morning and you're like, what the fuck happened?

And then you journal it and you have group session,

you know, because you have like you remember.

I wish you could journal during the ceremony, but it's so dark.

I did.

You did?

So the person I was with was went way childlike.

And then they wanted to draw.

And so they're like, Can you lead me back to the familiar guy?

That was like, can you lead me back, get my like notebook?

Yeah.

And then I was like,

hey, can I have one of those pieces of paper?

Like, can you ask them for one?

And it was just like shit that I was like, I don't want to forget this.

Yeah.

So just like, it was dark, but like, I'm used to doing with this.

Just like in the dark at a concert, just writing in big handwriting and just like figuring out

keywords.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tell so-and-so about this.

I wish I had done that the first night because the first night it was like

just this tsunami of crap that was coming out.

Not literal, but like just thoughts and

just so many thoughts.

I didn't want it to slow me down either, though, with the thing.

It's like I didn't do this for the first like four or five hours because I was like, it's going from spot to spot.

And if I'm sitting there writing, I thought it might like.

How long did the ceremony last?

Seven hours.

What?

That's long.

Yeah, my partner was gone earlier.

Okay, so everybody go back to like four.

Like they they would light a candle and be like, it's over.

It's over.

Not it's over, but like, you know, whatever they say.

And then the lights, the candles would come on.

And then basically you were like, oh my God.

Wake up, come out of it.

Come out of it, but nobody left the

Maloka, I think they're called.

It's like where you do it.

It's like a hut.

Yeah.

And nobody left for hours.

And

we stayed there and then we like chatted with each other.

We all became kind of close.

Like I still talked to the people there.

Interesting.

The

other

ayahuasca people, you know?

Yeah, for ours, I love how each of these tribes are like, we just do it different.

This is the way we've always done it.

Yeah.

And I actually met a guy.

I was in the Amazon at just a lodge

the week before.

And we actually said, we're like, oh, I don't know if we can eat this because we're going to do ayahuasca

next week.

And he was like, well, when?

He's like, and we're like, Wednesday.

He goes, oh, no, you're okay today.

And it was like, he was so casual about it yeah and it was like have you done it before he's like yeah sure what everybody has it's just like a part of life but that's the thing like even the shaman and the other familia people familiar familiar you know like vampire term

oh that's what they call it no that's what that's the term

oh oh but but there's a name for what they call them i can't remember what it was but they um facilitate some of them were facilitators they all had done it like tons of times.

Yeah, this guy was like 19, 20 times.

Yeah.

But even like, you know, some of the other people were like, I've done this hundreds of times.

Like, but they're only drinking, you know, that little amount to stay in the ceremony.

Right.

But it's not like where they're like throwing up.

It's like a cap and a stem.

It's just part of their thing to just drink this.

Right.

And

it's fascinating.

Wow.

Imagine getting an ayahuasca buzz.

Just a light buzz.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that's what a fun mushroom trip is.

It's like, it's, there's an alcohol version of that where it's like, beer and a shot.

That's it.

Yeah.

You know, isn't it?

But like with mushrooms, you can do something that'll floor you, which everybody does the first time.

Yeah.

And then it's just like, let me just have a cap and have fun at this party.

But that, that was the interesting thing about doing it five times.

Is like the first time, the first night, I was like, had no idea.

So I was like, just give me whatever.

Yeah.

That was way too intense for me.

So the second night they were like, just give her a cucharada, which is a spoonful.

So that was like the ayahuasca buzz.

But then you're like, damn it, I wish I, you know, like, I'm going to go, let's go.

I'm going to go, let's go.

Yeah.

So, so that's why part of me is like,

there's definitely reasons to go back.

You know, once you, I mean, I still, I'm not ready to go back, but I could see myself just

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So this guy, this familiar,

was like done it tons of times trying to get people to go.

He really was like, This is so important.

My job is to get people to come.

Yeah, you know, like, yeah, like, okay.

But, like, he said he took his son.

His son got nothing out of it because he was like 19 years old.

Oh, he hadn't done it 19 times.

He'd done way more.

His son was like 19.

He had nothing to like purge.

Yeah.

He was like, he hasn't lived his life.

Yeah, one time I didn't make the basketball team.

Yeah.

And it was like, yeah, it was like he had nothing.

Yeah, exactly.

Nothing, no, no trauma.

But like,

but like,

oh, fuck, I forgot what I was going to say with him.

Did you have any

life or death like changes of

did you feel differently about life and death after doing it?

No.

No.

I don't think that I definitely feel like there's more after life.

Like I was very lights out before,

like it's over.

Oh, that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

And it was like

something's out there.

Like the

connection with the diet really kind of makes you see nature in a different way.

And also, we were in this like Maloka.

I'm telling you, it's like this, this like a lot of windows.

It's almost like a tent with a lot of windows.

And one night, and you're surrounded by the jungle.

So you're literally.

Surrounded by the jungle, being in it and hearing

the birds.

Like at one point,

the next day, we would be like, Was that sound?

Was that a monkey?

And then you'd just make the sound, eh?

You know?

And they're like, no, that's a pig.

He comes around.

Like,

we start walked from our sleeping hut to the to the Maloka.

Yeah.

Um, and he was like, Stop, listen for a second.

Yeah, he goes, What do you hear?

We're like, I don't know, because you know, when you actually pause, the sounds suddenly start getting bigger.

Totally, so he's like, Oh, river.

I didn't notice it, but there's a river nearby.

Yeah, what else?

Goes, some insects, some maybe

goes, It's all gonna get real loud.

Yes, and so just be aware that's just now, it's happening.

It's not yeah, and then one night it was incredible.

It rained so hard, hard and the thunder during,

it was the most amazing.

Like, I couldn't get that out of my head

the four nights after that because it was just, it was so incredible.

Like, the lightning and the thunder, it was so loud.

I can't even tell you.

It's crazy.

Describe the feeling afterwards

of how, just how you feel.

I don't want to get into like your personal experiences, you know, and your, and your like private shit, but just like,

like, yeah, I say like, I felt just cleaned out, clean, clean, uncluttered, uncluttered, um,

super, like, the day after the ceremonies, extremely tired.

Like, I don't know if, um, because we went in with intentions, like, every night you had to go in with an intention.

Wow.

So, and not everyone has the same intent.

Like, for me, I went there for like medicinal purposes, and other people were like, I just want to have fun.

So, and nobody obviously judges, but some of those guys had done it before.

And they're like, I just want to fucking, you know, loosen up.

And, and I was like, I don't know what's happening, but I, oh, and I also went off my antidepressants, Zoloft.

So,

so I don't know if I was feeling on purpose to let it hit you.

Because you couldn't, you can't do ayahuasca without it.

But I was on a very low dosage of Zoloft because I get panic attacks.

How long did you go off it for?

I'm still off of it, but I was on it for five years.

Yeah, how long before?

Oh, oh,

30, 40 days.

It has to be at least a month, so I did a little extra.

You're telling your therapist ahead of time?

Oh, yeah.

But see, nobody, it's funny.

That's why I didn't tell any of my friends or anybody, because they'd be like, ayahuasca.

Okay.

Like, no, yes or no.

Like, no good luck, nothing.

I mean, my therapist was supportive, but my.

If you're going, like, I'm going to Tucson, no one goes, okay.

They just go, your choice.

Oh, where are you going?

Yeah.

No, but my therapist was, um, but she wasn't like, Great, go do it.

But no one can really say that because they don't, a lot of people don't have never done it.

She must, she had to be careful.

This is drawing this for a reason.

But the shrink was kind of like the one that gave me the Zolaf was kind of like,

you sure?

Yeah.

You know, did anyone?

I'm like, somebody referred this.

I trust this person wholeheartedly.

Like,

and then I was like, you know what?

No one needs to know about this.

Like, if I die there, like, I'll just die.

But But

I did actually have feelings of like, of like

what matters in terms of your lifespan.

I had

absolutely like that, that was more, not like, hey, I'm cool with death, but more like, oh, we're all going to die.

I mean, that's mushroom shit too, but like, we're all going to die.

But then it was like, hey, what does live on is kind of more important.

Yeah.

There's just

an uncluttered path.

Yeah.

And this sounds so cheesy, like, except to people who've done it, but like, there's an uncluttered path between life and death, like, there's a smoother walkway, like before, and a lot of it was fear, yeah, but now it's like there's a little more trust to that,

you know?

Yeah, and there were certain things that I wanted to know,

and I was like

pulling the reins.

I was like, I've gotten so much out of this by day five.

Let me just take what I have right now, or I'm gonna fucking lose my shit.

Just explode.

Because it was so intense.

It was so intense.

It's so fucking like, that's why, even during the

preliminary, they'll be like, do you have any heart problems?

Do you have high blood pressure?

You know, what drugs are you taking?

Because I don't think this is for everyone.

You know?

Interesting.

And, and,

I don't think you can even recommend this stuff.

I mean, I guess you could recommend it to certain friends, but there are certain people that I'd be like, that person's going to have a heart attack if they go.

because I thought I was

gonna get through that barrier, I guess.

Yeah,

I

went off malaria medication.

Yeah, I was already off all depression meds, so that wasn't an issue.

But I went off malaria medication,

and then

the other person that I was with was like into natural shit instead of DEET.

Yeah, and I think it hit them faster because of that.

Like any of the chemical

barriers,

like Zoloft or like or like deet is just like i don't know like binding you like not allowing you to like let it sink in yeah they took me like an hour after they started flipping out so i flipped out wow i think had to work through more of that yeah

of that um whatever that's why i i really liked this diet thing because because if they were like this is gonna hit you more more intensely well with mushrooms it's like you should try to not eat for six eight hours before okay you should get to the point and the eat the best way is like fast for 12 hours.

And a more doable way is like,

like wake up and then like have a breakfast and then do it like 2, 3 p.m.

Where it's like, it's already been like four or five hours.

I wasn't going to eat yet anyway.

Yeah.

Five hours.

And I'm not like hungry, but like right before you're going to get hungry, then do them.

Then your appetite will go away anyway.

Yeah.

Until it wears off, then it roars back.

Yeah.

Like we weren't, we didn't eat for like three or four hours before

the ceremony.

Wow.

And then, but I think that's also because, you know, in ayahuasca, you're going to shit.

Like, you are going to use the bathroom.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And, um, or like, it was weird to have so many people around you throwing up and nothing smelled.

I don't know if it was like the type of, if it's just we're eating these natural foods.

Oh, maybe that's who you weren't eating shit.

You weren't eating processed foods and stuff, but it was just like chicken.

You saw them catching the,

like we saw them catching the groundhog, but it wasn't for us or the whatever that it was like a weird pig looking thing.

But like it was like a

pig the size of a dog, but small.

It almost looked like a dog, but it wasn't.

Okay.

And but they like, because you were, we had their family around us.

We lived with the family, so that was also really cool.

Yeah, that I'm glad I was in the Amazon for a week and there's already a second trip there.

I was there for a couple months before, but but at least eight days before

another two days, so I really felt connected to the jungle.

Yes, I could, you could feel it breathing, and not and not scared of like snakes everywhere.

I'm like, I got over that after two days.

Yeah, like now I'm like, now I'm ready for the things totally.

And even now, though, when it rains, I kind of enjoy it more.

Like, there's just more of a nature thing, but we did get a lot of

us got stung by

they were like, they're called chiggers, yeah, and

mosquito bottle, oh, yeah, And they, the what?

I'm just pointing my hat from Scotland.

Oh, oh.

And

but,

yeah, it's just like you're in, you're literally in the jungle.

So you're going to get spite.

There were spiders and, you know,

and you're, and you're sleeping in this, like, there's nothing in the room but a mattress.

You know?

When you walk in and see that, are you at all like, what the fuck?

Or are you just like, yep, here we go.

Like, what's your room?

I'm like, yep, here we go, because I know it's like seven days.

Yeah.

You know, because we had a couple of days before and a couple days after that we didn't have the ceremony.

So it was like, you know what?

I'm here.

I brought like shitty clothes that I just left there.

And

then even after what, the first day I couldn't use toothpaste, I was like, oh my God, this is going to be hard.

Like, I love brushing my teeth like a million times.

What do you do?

Just swish out your mouth.

You swish out with your toothbrush, but it doesn't have anything on it.

And, oh, and you couldn't wash your hands.

That was hard.

You can wash your hands for a week.

With not even water?

I mean, with water, but no soap.

Interesting.

Yeah.

And you just felt like almost like just you got over.

Oh, and the one thing that they did let us do is we went to like a mud.

There was like a natural like lagoon or something, and you could have like a mud bath.

Did you do anything beforehand in terms of

with anything with like waterfalls?

Like what?

They took us to a waterfall and they'd be like, get under it.

I mean, that was kind of what our mud bath thing was.

Yeah, just like, but it was all in the jungle.

Yeah, that was really cool.

Yeah.

Just some of it seemed like hokey, but then you realize, like, no, no, this was done 100 years ago, too.

But see, that's why it's not for tourists.

It's just what they do.

It does seem hokey.

It does.

Because, like, well, but that's the thing.

I'm not turning this on for you.

But, but when you, when I heard of tree huggers in the past,

you know, I'd be like, what are you doing, weirdo?

Yeah, and now I'm like, I want to hug all the trees.

You can feel it, yes, when you're out, and especially when you go off a path, like you're on a path in the woods.

Okay, fine, someone's touched that during your truck.

But if I see, like, if there's no poison ivy, I mean, just hop in like 20 yards in, yeah, touch a tree that probably no one's touched this whole season, at least.

Yeah, and you just put your face on it, and you just you feel this

energy.

I don't know, God, it's just

what I'm telling you.

When you have this tea, this tea tree tea or whatever, yeah, like you feel it in going through your body like when you're thirsty and drinking when you're drinking

you feel when you're under the when you're in the ayahuasca and they start doing the ikaro the singing and the you know you feel that like going through your body and you're like this is real this is like

plants you know

it's it's crazy and then and then they're like you'll you'll you'll notice stuff in your life afterwards

and it's that clarity that you're talking about, that there's certain things that just

feel clearer.

Like it's not like your problems are gone, but you have more set you, there's a, your awareness is stronger.

It's like, do you ever see a kid?

I mean, like 16 to 24?

Yeah.

You know, and then they're going through breakup or heartbreak and they're saying something and you're just like, ah, kid, it's all, we've all been through that.

Yeah.

Like, I get it.

You're going to be in it for like another six months and you'll get over it because we all have.

But you just see it clearly back when you were 18.

You're like, what the fuck?

That bitch or that asshole did that to you?

And now you're like, yeah, people cheat.

Yeah.

It's just like, they didn't mean it.

They're just growing.

Yeah.

That kind of clarity in life.

That kind of

instant.

But it's instant.

That's the word.

Yeah.

Like, I'll be like, why did that happen?

Oh, because of that.

Like, the answer just comes up faster.

You know?

They say it's like therapy.

It's like a ton of therapy.

But like us.

But fast.

But just like therapy, you have to deal with the shitty parts.

And those were not fun.

Like,

I know people who've done it multiple times and they thought they're like, oh, I get it now.

Because they teach you like you can maneuver your way through

the really horrible parts.

You know, like you can handle it.

But that first night, I was like.

I think I'm going to hell.

Like, this is the worst thing I've ever experienced.

But then when you go on a different trip, they're like, I get it now.

I get it now.

And ayahuasca will just attack you from a different angle, like you did, like you've never done it before.

That's what I heard.

It's not, you can't be like, I got this, ayahuasca.

Like, it'll just happen in a completely different way.

Because I saw people there who've done it two or three times, and they were just like, what the fuck did I just do?

Like, crazy.

A new level.

A new level.

Like, a preparatory.

It really is.

Like,

this is what I say about mushrooms.

And it's different, but it's similar.

Yeah.

Mushrooms is going to take you where it wants to take you.

And you're like, I just did a little bit.

What the fuck?

You're like, it's not really up to you.

It's just, you can guide it, but it's not really up to you.

And it's like what they kept saying, it's not what you want.

It's what you need.

I didn't go in with any intention.

I was just like, I'm essentially not thinking about anything or even researching it.

I don't want to know what I'm in for.

Yeah.

It did fine.

Yeah.

I was like, just do what you need.

I know I'm here for a reason.

Just do what you need to do.

How much was it?

It was, I mean, including the trip, it was over $3,000.

How much of that was the trip?

Two.

$2,000 getting at least two.

No, no, no.

I'm sorry.

Two was

the retreat.

And the trip, I think, was

like $800.

But then, you know, you're obviously paying for a hotel like the first night I wanted to get there early and then food.

And so it was,

it's a sizable amount, but so worth it.

Yeah.

Money's temporary.

Yeah, and the experience is like, it's insane.

Do you do you have any regrets doing it?

No.

No regrets.

No, if anything, I'm just surprised that.

I mean, I guess like in the Western world, everyone's like, it's bad, it's bad.

You know, because they want to push.

They're a drugs umbrella.

What?

They're putting under a drugs umbrella.

Yeah, and they're like, take these, take pills, take pills instead.

But like, no one ever talks about this stuff i i have a feeling it's slowly going to become a normal thing i told uh i told joe rogan about it afterwards or i told him about the amazon in general and about the farm where they're like slaps you whatever and the period cramps and the back cramps and prostate drugs whatever and i was like how do they know all this he goes oh and he has all the he's like a hokey like hippie from like it was aliens they landed and cultivated whatever yeah um it's the egyptians but like uh he's like they had everything and then the civilizations got wiped out, and this stuff just grew.

And so, there used there would be like a whole field of just stuff for circulation, yeah.

But a thousand years after the last farmers were there, it just kind of all grows, birds eat some, shit it out somewhere else.

But he goes, Pfizer goes to the Amazon all the time, really, and like researches that stuff and then just figures out how to make money off it.

Totally, I can see that.

Just take the one detail of it.

Well, they say, like, every illness has a plant, has a corresponding plant to cure you.

So, um,

I mean, once you start feeling it, you're like, I believe you.

Like, this feels real.

Like, just tell me what to drink.

Would you have done anything different if you had to do it over?

Like, if you go back,

how long ago was this?

Two months.

If you go back

early September, to September 1st.

Yeah.

And like, tell yourself, like, oh, don't forget to bring a hand towel.

Don't forget to, like, whatever it is.

What would you have said?

That's a great question.

I mean, the only thing I can think of is I wish I'd done it sooner, but I didn't know.

That's out.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

I didn't know that there was so much medicinal stuff out there.

Like, ayahuasca,

I had only heard about it as like this crazy thing where if you want to see visions, go nuts.

And I'm like, well, what's the point?

I didn't know it was this medicinal, you know?

Yeah.

That's the only thing.

And I also noticed like once you're in it,

you have so much, because you are conscious, you are aware.

And so I had so many questions to ask.

But when I was feeling the answers, you know,

it was like, I'd reached a point where it was too much.

Like, I'm like, I got to save this for the next trip because mentally, I'm going to fucking lose my mind if she tells me one more thing about this or that.

You know what I mean?

You're like, hold on, hold on.

I got to wrap my head around this first.

Exactly.

Like, I'm like, let me just like leave this for the.

And then after the fifth night,

I was like god damn it.

Why isn't there a sixth night?

Like I have so many questions after what I just learned, you know It's interesting when they like turn the lights on It's over talk.

Yeah.

Like when you're on boomers it is like if you if you like turn the lights on turn music on turn the TV on it's like all right I'm back.

Yeah.

It's like if you get to your phone, you're back.

Like it's over for you.

Right, right.

You still feel a little queasy, but like a little bit.

But then like when it's in darkness, it'll like keep going.

It's interesting to like have it like stop where it's like, hey, we're all done for tonight.

Well, you start feeling it light lighten up a little bit, but what I noticed is like my head would lighten up, and the hallucinations would lighten up, but my body was

down for the count.

Like, I was down for hours.

And then, if you looked around, I'm telling you, like the people who were on the special diet were still down, and everyone else was like, So, how was it for you tonight?

And I'm like, Damn, what did that do to us?

Like, they just had a stronger effect, you know?

Yeah.

But I can see why people go back.

And

yeah, it just makes me want to try all the other drugs out there.

And your leader told you just to not share the personal stuff with anybody.

Yeah, he said.

Do they guard it or do they say just don't?

Just if you want to keep it more

personal and

keep that

connection with ayahuasca,

It's just nice to have it stay private.

Yeah, I talked about it once on a podcast.

I wish I hadn't.

Yeah, but did that, did you notice any changes after you talked about it?

No.

No.

No, but they didn't tell us not to share it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a choice, but

it just, it feels right.

It's kind of like, you know, sharing a lot of stuff.

I know people that should know that I was like, let me tell you what I saw.

Oh, yeah.

And until a bunch of strangers felt wrong.

How was coming home?

How was the passageway back to civilization?

The

flight back was weird.

It was like coming out of that bubble.

Yeah.

And my sleep was amazing for a while.

Like, it's fine now, but it's back to normal.

You slept clean.

But yeah, you slept hard.

Wow.

And there were nights where I had crazy dreams.

And there were nights where I almost like slept too hard to know anything, like what was going on.

That flight back, though, from Peru to New York,

I don't think I've ever slept.

It was uncomfortably

heavy.

On the plane?

Yes.

Like, I woke up, and the first thought I had was, where the fuck am I going to go to the plane?

Wow, on a plane.

That's great.

On a plane.

I was like, where am I going?

You left immediately after the.

No, I left two days after.

Yeah.

Because you had to go back to the small town.

You had to take the boat and the bus.

The boat is such a good way to fucking change your scenery and change your business.

The boat was amazing.

The boat is literally like

a raft with a motor, with an engine for two hours.

It's taking you in river.

In the river, in the middle of the Amazon.

Yeah.

And so when I got back to the next town after the boat,

They'll give you like things you can do.

And I went to this monkey island.

So this is after.

I wanted to go to Cusco and climb Machu Picchu.

Yeah.

And I was like, I don't want to rush this.

Like I don't, I have 12 hours before my, I'll come back.

But I did have time for the monkey island and you're still like getting over everything that happened.

And, and I mean, you're really not working out.

You're not eating a lot.

So you're kind of exhausted.

Like I felt like I was fast, like still fasting, but still eating.

But you can't, they don't want you to eat too much immediately.

It's not good for you.

So I was like slow, like, I was like, I felt like an old lady, like I was 80.

And then I'm all with all these monkeys just in the jungle.

There's like a monkey island.

And, and that was scary because I was alone again.

Like, I was away from everyone had flown back.

And I was like alone with this man on a boat going to the monkey island.

And I just had all these, I was too vulnerable.

And that's what they said, too.

Once if you go on the diet, you're going to notice like if you're in the dining room where you're eating, you know, and on this retreat, or if people are talking too loudly, you're just going to be too sensitive and you're going to just want to leave.

So I spent a lot of my days journaling in my room with a mattress.

Yeah, we had a quiet area.

Like a quiet area.

Yeah.

And just like, I'm just going to be alone in here.

I'm just going to be alone in here.

And

then it was like everything was like wiped out, but you had to like be careful.

Like I was like, oh my God, I'm going on a monkey island by myself with this man.

What's going to happen?

And it's like, you're just being vulnerable right now.

Like, just fucking take a breath.

You know,

it's like you've been drinking Draino and you're uncluttered.

And now everything is extra sensitive, you know?

Yeah.

It's like you've been drinking Draino.

It's like, it's just such a wild ride.

Yeah.

How long until you stopped having the shits?

Oh,

I think

when I got back to the States, because I think some of the food there,

you know, how you can't drink the water and stuff.

When I was in Southeast Asia, I got back, and someone's like, Do you ever get diarrhea?

I'm like, I only had diarrhea for four months.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I would check in.

I was like,

yeah, and I would check in with the other people, and everyone's like, Yep, we're still chitting awkwardly, and like, it's so weird shit.

Yeah.

But you would do it again?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I've actually am trying.

I mean, I've been trying for over a year of like,

how can I get it to my schedule to go out there and do it?

And did you go alone the first time?

No, but I was already there.

Oh, yeah.

So we got offered ayahuasca like our first week out by some guy who just had a farm.

Yeah.

And he was like, I have the cure for COVID.

And we're like, what?

And he's like, do you want it?

And we were like scared of COVID right then.

We really,

you just can't go, no, thanks, you know, like you would in New York because he's like saying this thing It's like well you got me if this is a scam you got me I can't say tis to an indigenous person's face right not interested in the like fucking world-saving cure right now right that you've grown up with and your family

all this fucking plant shit there and and he showed us all this stuff showed us his like covet cure yeah in this big fucking like one of those water jug things that you put that you put a like a you know

you know what i mean like i think so you put pennies in but like okay dump it over, and it comes into one of those dispensers.

Okay.

You know, that they change

anyway.

Anyway.

Yeah.

And he's just that with the top cut off with like coconuts in it and fucking all this different shit.

And it tastes like ass.

And then he made us a bottle.

He goes, drink a capful every morning.

You should be fine.

Didn't sell it to us, whatever.

But then he's like, Did you want to do ayahoscop?

We have that here.

Yeah.

And we're like, no, you're just some guy and his mom.

This feels wrong.

But we're all like, this is it presenting itself.

Yeah.

And we're like, it's just too early.

But then, like, four months later, it was like, it's, it's time.

Yeah.

You know, we got a recommendation.

We got the right time.

How long were you out there?

Six months.

Oh, that's brilliant.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it was my second or third trip to the Amazon.

And this first time we went deep, deep in was right before.

Yeah.

So it was just like, just connect.

There's my favorite place in the world, the Amazon.

I don't think I could do it anywhere else.

It's so alive.

Everything's dying and living at the same time.

Yeah.

And the rain breaks shit down.

The rain is insane.

Which lets the fallen trees trees break down and then you see the bugs coming in there and then the birds eat the bugs and the and the fucking leopards eat the birds and the fucking tapieries get eaten by the leopards and they shit out this and that creates a new tree and it's just like it's all just living and dying at the same time.

Isn't it amazing though how

long

like how much there is?

I mean, we were on this boat for hours

and nothing changed.

It was still the Amazon.

It was still trees over here, trees over there.

So describe this.

This is what I've, when I got back from Asia and people were like, you just read a sitcom or a show about whatever.

I'm like, I've never seen it captured.

So it's just maybe in podcasts or whatever.

You're going down the Amazon on a shitty boat.

Yeah.

Just like a thin one, I assume, with like a rudder in the back, whatever.

And so you're going there.

We got stuck once.

We're like, should we, how do we help?

Like, yeah, get out.

We're like, oh, it was only up to our fucking knees.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And other parts are like, are there piranha in here?

Like crocodiles?

Or those little crocodiles?

Those caimans.

Caimans.

Yeah.

And he's like, no, not right here.

I'm like, it's okay.

But it's like, they have their level of safety.

But like,

as you're going down and the shores on that side and the shores on that side, and it's pretty wide.

Yeah.

There's like

a smells and just a feeling of newness that you're like

going somewhere.

Oh, it's

and it's that accomplishment that I just I've never seen it in film recorded properly.

It feels like you've dropped everything.

It feels like a minimalist, I don't know, like you just don't have, no one knows where you are.

You don't have anything but a backpack.

And

you're kind of open to whatever happens.

I don't know.

There's a freedom in that that I love.

Like I went to India for six months and a lot of this trip before the ayahuasca, the small town in Peru, reminded me of India.

Just like that,

you know, lower class, polluted.

And I don't mean this in a negative way, but just like the simple life, more of us, and maybe not so much now because there are more stores.

And I think, I'm sure if I go to India now, it's like there's a fucking Dunkin' Donut somewhere.

Yeah, yeah.

But like, there's just a,

I don't know.

It's just a,

I, I've always just loved to travel.

And I find going to these like specific places where like no one knows where I am right now.

If I drop dead right now,

would they even, who would even find

me to spoof Exactly.

And there's just a freedom to just going to, instead of like going to Paris all the time or London or whatever.

Who's your emergency contact?

Like there is none.

It's just going to happen.

Whatever happens, happens.

And if somebody abducts me and kills me, then

it's already in play.

But I'm so glad I did this anyway.

I don't care.

You know?

And

there's just a new life level.

a new life experience to that where it just makes me want to do it more.

There's this fear I've seen a lot of people have of like, well, well, what if something happens there?

I heard it's dangerous.

But it's like, it reminds me of like when people start flying with weed and like, can you fly with weed?

I don't know.

And I remember telling someone, it's like, well, you heard about that comic who got like arrested, right?

And then alarmists.

I have a lot of alarmist friends, like Rogan is one.

But like, they're like, no, who was that?

I'm like, no one.

No one.

We would have heard about it.

We all fly with weed and no one's been arrested.

Yeah, yeah.

So what is this fear that's not letting you fucking have a joint with you in fucking Kansas City?

Yeah.

Or not letting you go to fucking Lima to go to some tiny town and go, like, who's dying?

Right.

And maybe, maybe some people are, but then you wouldn't have had that experience.

And I think also if there's at least one person in your life who you trust with your life,

who's like, this was incredible.

Like there's

there's a place in Spain that I don't know where it is, but two people have told me about it.

And you could go into the woods and do San Pedro and it's amazing.

And I'm like, i know i'm gonna get there i not yet i just want to kind of enjoy this i just got back but like that kind of shit to me is like you just need one person you trust to tell you like go for it and then just do it you're not yeah and every time i it's like i have a friend who his daughter is like kind of aimless yeah i'm like she should go travel She should go like backpack around Southeast Asia or South America.

And then what if something happens to her?

And it's like, well, what if she she gets date raped in college?

Right.

I mean, I guess I'd feel responsible if I told her to go to college and she got date raped.

But it's like, these are just the risks of life.

I don't know.

Right.

And then also, you just get that bug that

you just, you only really get to enjoy once.

It's different when you travel older, but when you're in your early 20s, when I went to India and I bought a one-way ticket in mid-20s.

This is the next episode, but yeah.

So,

you know, like

one-way ticket to Bombay, and then,

you know six months later

I was it six weeks and six weeks is what 12 weeks.

That's four months four months later.

I flew out of Kathmandu.

Like I didn't know I was gonna be there, but but you just like let it take you and there's nothing.

I mean, I could do that now, but when you're young, there's just this kind of like innocent, this stupidity in you where you just like do everything.

Like when I look back at that trip, the India one, some of that shit, I'm like, you are so stupid.

You're retarded.

Why would you do that?

Why would you do that?

You could have been raped and murdered.

But all the stories of you could have been this, you could have been this, it's stories of stuff that didn't happen.

Right.

You know, these guys followed us.

Well, they could have killed you.

So they didn't, but this is an example of how it is safe.

Right.

You know, my friend got arrested trying to chase his friend

on mushrooms.

He got naked, and then he's like, where's Benji?

And then he went out to find him.

Yeah.

Even though Benji was just in the bathroom.

And so he's out in the street in West Hollywood naked.

and he got arrested on mushrooms.

And then he got released.

Yeah.

I'd be like, well, what if they could have pressed charges?

And like, but they didn't.

But they didn't.

So how can you use that as an example of when that would happen when it didn't happen?

Right.

But at the same time, if it had happened, yeah, you'd feel bad.

It, no, but it would, it would still be like, well, if you hadn't done it, what, you're going to live your life in a cubicle, like watching friends all the whole your whole life?

Like, if you're going to go, wouldn't you rather go?

If I'm going to die, like, I went to Alaska recently, and now I've noticed when I do stand-up, like, I don't just leave.

Like, I almost like search for places I want to perform.

And then I'm like, oh, Alaska, I'll stay for 10 days.

And I stayed for 10 days, and it was fucking incredible.

But I had two nights of shows.

And then I went glacier hiking.

You also get some intel when

you get this benefit of doing stand-up somewhere where you can talk to locals afterwards and get some advice on what there is actually to do.

Not the Lonely Planet version of it.

Right.

But like, hey, what's like, oh, well, actually, this is like ice water slide you should check out.

It's only two weeks.

But also, I mean, I have so much material on Alaska now, and

it just makes you want to go back too.

You know, so I spent all of September in Peru and Alaska, and I probably did three shows that whole month.

And I was like, I love that.

Like, it's not going to make me a worse comic.

It'll make me a better person.

Yeah.

I mean, the fountain head talks about how to be an artist, architect, but apply it to stand-up if you want.

And it's, there's supposed to be time set aside for being on a boat for a month and doing nothing.

Yeah.

That's part of the creative process.

Yes.

So going to Peru for 10 days, going to Alaska for 10 days

is writing.

Is writing.

Yeah.

Doing spots in the cellar is also important, but like

not the same.

But then you go like, well, what else can I do?

And now I'm like, African safari, trip to Iceland.

Monroe went to a safari.

He did?

Yeah, he did.

He said there was a gig that paid for it.

Holy shit.

Because he said everybody else was there.

It was like these 60-year-old white people.

And he saw him and his girlfriend was like, what do you do for a living, sir?

And Monroe was like, oh, it's a free trip.

It was just like organizers came to a show.

Amazing.

Yeah.

And it was like, got it out there, made everything tax deductible.

Yeah.

It's a cool benefit of doing stand-up and then like showing you how to fucking sleep in the Serengeti.

It's almost like, I mean, of course it matters what they pay you, but if you can get like the Alaska trip,

it was just a free trip.

I didn't make money because I spent the money for the rest of the week, but like the experience is invaluable.

And the pictures and the fucking bears and the moose, like,

that's insane.

It's so funny to see people like be scared when they see a moose because I'm always like, oh, moose, that's scared.

Like, let's get out of here.

Well, that's, I did it the first time because it was fucking huge and it was walking to the car, towards the car.

And you can tell when they're pissed.

You know, like if the car lights are on his face or whatever.

And I was like, uh-uh.

I'm getting him.

Like, this is crazy.

All right.

This is already over.

It should be, but this is fucking interesting as shit.

Oh, my God.

I'll talk to you more about it if you want, like, the personal stuff later.

Okay.

And I'll show you those pictures of the

plant of all the different, it's so fucking interesting.

They had this one thing this ethnobotanist i met near where the hotel i was staying outside the village i went to yeah um was like he did this thing called nature i think nature bass or sound bass i forget now and i i do it all the time now um but in the amazon it works better than anywhere me and you are there you go up 50 yards ahead yeah or i go 50 yards ahead whatever and you just walk slowly just like kind of meditation walk

um and he goes when you're not listening to anybody your field of vision gets way wider

um

Your field of like hearing gets way wider because you're not like focusing on listening to someone else tell a story or your own yourself.

So you just start hearing birds and you start hearing different birds.

And then you start hearing, oh, there's a fucking chainsaw somewhere in the distance.

You just hear the nature.

Yeah.

Even though chainsaw is not nature, but like, but like that kind of shit is fun.

And on Amazon, it's so fucking a lot.

You can hear so much on so many like levels.

Yeah.

It's it's pretty nuts.

Oh, and then when we were on in this like mud, I don't even know what to call it.

It was like a lagoon.

Yeah.

With the mud, when it rained, it created, I wish I it like it created bubbles.

Every drop made a bubble.

So the whole lagoon was full of bubbles.

And you're like, I'm in the middle of the Amazon with a bubble, in a bubble bath, but it's a natural one.

Whoa.

It was so weird.

Yeah.

That's so fucking cool.

It was wild.

That's so cool.

And everyone there, like the family that was in the retreat with us that lived there,

they were so happy.

There was a glow to them until one of the little boys was like, I want to go on Facebook.

No joke.

And I was like, you fucking shut up because right now there's no Facebook in here.

Like, this is perfect.

But there was like an inner-grounded joy to them for not

like for living this life.

It was weird and cool.

Anyway.

Yeah, I got to get back there now.

Yeah.

Every one of these I've done, at the end of it, I know it's a good one because I'm like, this like longing is in me.

You know, it's like this empty feeling of like, I want that and I can't get it right now.

So it's like a

unfulfilled desire.

And then I always, as soon as I'm done, I just want to keep going.

Like, I might want to leave that place, but I don't want to come back yet.

I just want to keep going to a different place.

So, I think, oh, I got to get a travel tip from you.

But I think

you get really free when you've gone to a second place because then you're not coming from anywhere that you're anchored to.

Yeah.

So, if you go

Lima to Buenos Aires

to Rio, it's like when you're in Rio, you're like, well, I'm not from America.

I'm from Buenos Aires.

It's like this is all unshackled.

Yeah.

But then it never ends.

I find that I want to keep going.

I do.

My best times have been like months-long trips.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're incredible.

What is that freedom?

It's like this freedom.

I can't.

I've never been able to describe it.

Well, there's a high, I think, to

like.

move like traveling.

Like I get that even packing.

I never got that before.

Packing was like annoying, but, like, I get it even at the start when I'm like, I'm packing for Peru or I'm packing for Alaska.

Like, I'm already in this like adrenaline high place.

Yeah.

You know?

And that, I just don't want that to stop.

And you know, it's going to stop when you get back here.

Yeah.

Like, like everything else, I guess too much is not good because then you have to like, you know, make a living and everything.

I guess.

And, but, but just having the ability to do that like yearly, that's why I'm like, every year I have to go somewhere new.

At least three.

I try to do at least three to five places.

Like, um, like I had shows in Berlin and Vienna, and and I was like, boyfriend, he's like, I'm coming, I'm going.

And then I just did a corporate in Wyoming.

So we drove two hours to the, uh, to see Mount Rushmore in South Dakota.

Like, even those little things, you're like, this is fucking Mount Rushmore.

And somebody carved this.

It's not even eye-level.

Like, it's at the very top top of a mountain.

And you're like, what the fuck?

And you're like, who the fuck knew how to make George Washington at the top of that mountain?

And even that stuff is like.

Yeah, I would have just spray painted their name.

And that would have been like, how'd you get up there?

Or yeah, like you would have like put a big, I don't know, picture of them at the top.

I don't know, but it was the carving and the

you're there's so much beauty in this country, too.

You don't have to go to

me and uh uh Kevin Iso were just driving from Tucson to Phoenix to take a direct flight home.

Yeah,

whatever flight, a connecting flight.

And then as we drive, we stopped for a hike.

We left an hour extra, and then we got back in the car.

And he's like, ah, fucking flight's delayed an hour and 20.

And I was like, oh, well, let's take Scenic Road.

And I just passed this thing that said, like, something

national monument.

Yeah.

And I'm like, okay, let's go.

And it was just this old, indigenous, like 600-year-old look little like remnant of a temple.

Yeah.

Where they had all this like

astronomical shit like this window would would at every solstice would have a direct light at sunset this one only the some lunar um eclipse every 18 years and have like a direct like shining light from there to there this one every like equinox and you're just like yeah there's so much that shit there's so much and we missed um but it was 30 minutes off the highway yeah it wasn't like right off it but uh we missed um

aurora borealis by one day in alaska because it was raining.

And then we missed it in Greenland.

I was in Greenland and we missed it by one day.

But no, the story that when you're like, oh, we have an hour and a half.

Let's go do something.

It was me, Aaron Foley,

Nathan McIntosh, and Jim Toos.

And we're in Africa.

Where's Erin Foley been?

She's L.A.

She's L.A.

I haven't seen her in so long.

She's so awesome.

She's so awesome.

But we were on this military tour and we had an eight-hour layover

in Egypt and we were like, let's check out how far the pyramids are.

It was like 30 minutes away.

We just went on a layover.

We went to the pyramids, the four of us.

It was awesome.

It's like, that's what you have to do.

I just have to check the time.

Yeah, okay.

You're good to go.

Yep.

I tried to keep this in an hour.

It's already an hour 20.

Carmen, you got your special out right now.

I'll do it again in the intro, but what's it called?

Kweef Week.

Kweef Week.

Carmen is is a great comedian.

Underrated, I'd say.

Someone once took that as an insult when I told them.

No, I think it's a compliment.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I'll tell you afterwards.

I'm like, what does that mean?

I'm like, I don't know.

It means you don't get the respect you should get.

You should get more?

Okay.

I'm rated.

I'm like, all right, I'm sorry.

Whatever I check it out, it's on YouTube.

The only platform that doesn't really censor.

On Mark Norman's YouTube.

It's on Mark Norman's YouTube.

He's now, which I think is cool, putting together like a little,

you know, stable of comics where he's going to have a playlist of just comics he finds funny.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Got it.

I thought it was a good one.

One of them was an easy one.

I'm kidding.

You're like, what the fuck?

What the fuck, Mark?

Yeah, Carmen, you've always been a killer.

So that's great.

You finally did a special.

Thank you.

And yeah, it's on Mark's.

It's called Cuif Week.

And then if you're in Spain, there's one called Carmen and Español.

And that one's all in Spanish.

El Cuifo de Semana.

El Cuif, but the Cuif is not in Spanish.

I did not do El Cuifo.

Do they have quifs there?

They must.

That's sure.

It's like, el a hair que sale de tu vajina.

Like, everything's long there.

Ahelsusio.

I'm practicing.

As long as I can make a Spanish joke, I'm pretty happy.

And then also, where can people find you if they want to like

you know tell you guys?

Yeah.

At Carmen Comedian is Instagram.

C-A-R-M-E-N.

Comedian.

Okay.

And that's also my Venmo.

Yeah, send her some cash, guys.

There's a way to do these self,

they call them self-produced, but really, it's really self-funded.

Self-funded.

Specials.

Yeah.

And it's the NPR model.

And if you like it, you should throw a couple ducats their way so they can do it again.

Yeah.

Because as long as we break even, we can keep making these for you guys.

But we just got to break even.

So

if you like something,

throw them for $10, $20.

Anything helps.

At Carmen Comedian and Kweef Week and all that good stuff.

Thank Thank you.

You're welcome.

Thanks for coming in.

As I said before, you're like

legitimately in my head when I started this podcast.

Like, I'm thinking of Carmen Lynch.

Oh, you're such a fucking cool traveler.

Thank you.

Go travel, people.

Yeah.

All right.

Really, not have anything from the Amazon?

How is that possible?

How is it possible?

I have all these fucking

all these souvenirs and tons from Ecuador,

and not one of them is from my, literally my favorite place in the world.

I hate saying favorite, but it might be the Amazon jungle.

No?

Boom!

The machete.

Boom, the machete.

Yeah, that's right.

I brought it in

a town, entrance town into the Amazon, one of the three major entrance towns in Ecuador.

that are like

places that you start and then you go deep into the and then there's one that's like deep in the jungle and that's like the last stop and then it's boats from there.

Unless you're a logger and uh or a driller, then you get plenty of access on roads.

Guys, that's today's episode.

Uh thank you very much, Carmen Lynch, for coming in.

Please go check out her special, Kweef Week, that Mark Norman put out in his YouTube account.

Donate some money to her.

I don't know if you guys know this, but when we're putting out these specials, the new model is nobody pays fuck anymore.

So even if you're on Netflix, they're not really paying for the specials.

I lost money on mine.

I'm fine with it.

But it's just something to note.

And when you do it on YouTube, I mean, you don't even get a little bit of that back.

So it all works on donations.

If you can go throw $5 to her, you can keep a great comic going.

But check it out.

Regardless, if you just want to laugh, that's okay too.

But there's a little promo thing, a little like button right there, which you can do this on this podcast too if you want to kick me a couple ducats.

And tell me what you want me to use it for.

That's not bad.

You kick me a couple ducks on YouTube.

I will notice it.

And then tell me what you want me to use it for on a travel.

And I'm going to do my best.

I'm going to have that in mind.

Oh, $5 or $10 from that guy.

I mean, $20 from that guy.

Whatever you want.

Go get some drugs in a foreign country.

I'll have that in mind.

Go eat some questionable bugs.

I'll have that in mind.

But Carmen Lynch is a great comic.

You guys should also see her live.

She's going to be in Luray, Virginia, August 2nd.

Buenos Aires, Argentina, September 5th and 2nd, and 7th, I mean, September 5th in English, September 7th in Spanish, September 12th and 13th in Levitt Town, New York, and then Paris, France, October 18th, also in Spanish.

Wow, she's going to Paris.

Yeah, she's fluent in Spanish.

What a fun trip.

And I like, by the way, I like that she didn't really go into what she saw really on her ayahuasca trip.

She just kind of got us there.

She goes, here's what.

And then the rest is personal.

But, like, we're here.

I mean, what what a great one.

She's changed from it.

Have any of you guys done ayahuasca?

People ask me, like, do you like, did you do ayahuasca?

I always go, yeah.

And they go, do you like it?

I go, meh.

And they go, really?

I'm like, no, not really.

Everybody loves it.

Literally, everybody loves it.

It's like life-changing.

And I don't know how to describe it other than like it scrubs you from the inside.

I would like to tell you about something of the week.

By the way, I have shows, CarmenLynch.com for all those.

I have shows at Arieshair.com.

Only two left for the rest of the year.

June 18th in Anchorage, Alaska, and July 12th in Charlestown, West Virginia at the Hollywood Casino.

Get tickets right now at Ari Shafir, plus merch and everything else you want to see on my website.

Zane Jareski, by the way, click subscribe wherever you're watching or listening.

Zane Jareski, a podcast who won a Trippy Award for

most adventurous for going to Morocco and from 2025.

No, 2024.

By the way, with these new episodes, nominate people on the comments for best anything.

Not just best episode, most adventurous, best drugs.

Obviously, this one is a nominee.

Oh, sound effect.

Larson, sound effect right here.

Best nominee award for best drugs of 2025 for 2025 for trippy.

Carmen Lynch.

What's the sound effect for a train?

A plane?

I don't know.

But every week I want to tell you about something I like, something interesting.

And Zane Joreski, former podcast guest and my classmate in Rolf Pott's writing, memoir writing class in Paris, has a new one out

three weeks ago.

No.

Yeah, Yurtz Treasure and Horse Milk Kazakhstan's Bizarre Olympic Games.

He made this video.

It's so fucking good.

It's so good about Kazakhstan and about the World Nomad Games.

He's done other ones, walking a thousand miles from Croatia to Greece.

Zane's crazy in like the best possible way.

I got to meet up with him again at some point.

But you got to see the hidden treasure.

You're at treasure and horse milk.

Kazakhstan's bizarre Olympic Games.

It's all the World Nomad games.

People are firing arrows with their...

With their feet.

It's all the hunting with...

It's wrestling on horseback.

It's playing football with those big goat hides.

It's great.

Check it out.

It's Zane Dreski.

It's youtube.com/slash at Z-A-N-E-J-A-R-E-C-K-E.

It's my pick of the week.

It was really great.

It was really great.

It really entertained me.

Let's open up some mail real quick.

We got some emails.

If you want to send me something, by the way, if you want to send

money for my money wall, I got new ones.

I got Bhutan just came in.

Indo.

Vietnam.

Where's that one?

Nagara, Malaysia.

Yeah, I want to fill up that wall before we leave the studio.

But also, I like your postcards around the world.

And this comes from when I was in Edinburgh, people would,

I do free Edinburgh shows.

So you pay what you want at the end, which is really fun.

And people...

donate money at the end.

Usually it's pounds.

Sometimes it's dollars.

Sometimes it was just a hardy note.

Sometimes it'd be a chick's number, it'd be fucking so fun and interesting.

But also, like, I'm not calling you off just a number.

At least draw yourself.

Who's gonna be like, hey, here's a woman's handwriting?

You want to meet up?

That's crazy.

But then sometimes it'd be drugs.

That would always be nice.

A little sheet of acid.

I'm risking it.

And by risking it, I mean, if there's four hits, I'm giving one to a friend, watching for an hour, and then doing it.

Last time I was there, it was

pre-fentanyl, so it's easier to risk.

Although Europe is all free of it anyway.

Don't quote me on that.

But sometimes they leave coins.

They'd leave coins from other places around the world.

Like this one.

And I get these coins because two-pound coin, I would get that a lot.

You'd get three or four of them.

And it's like, here's eight pounds, which is like $12.

And this one is

from,

I say it last week.

Monaco.

Yeah, Monaco.

It's a fucking Monaco coin, bro.

It's cool.

So I get stuff like that in my bin.

And I thought it was really fun.

I get like Czech Republic stuff and like Poland stuff.

I was like, oh my God, you guys have been placed.

It helps me connect.

And this just does, too.

So if you want to send an email, sell it.

So you'll be tripping, 151 First Avenue, number 49, New York, New York, 10003.

By the way, I've already started reaching out to people who have submitted for the trip around the world.

Those submissions are done.

We're narrowing it down.

I'm talking to different people, saying how they'd go and whatever.

Once I get it, I will let you guys know what we're doing and when they're going and kind of just where they're starting, maybe.

I don't know.

Ari, I write this card to you from Levy, Finland, pronounced Lehavi.

Leviticus, the largest ski resort in Finland, located in the northernmost part of the country.

Wow.

I'm 110 miles north of the Arctic Circle.

Oh, no wonder they got the

Northern Lights.

Wow.

That's so fucking cool.

I traveled here to see the Northern Lights and the autumn colors.

Also, because I met a lovely Finnish lady and we're getting it on up here.

Bro, what's better than a travel fuck?

I mean, what's better?

There's no repercussions.

It's temporal.

It's just like, we're just going to have fun and we're going to go on our separate ways.

It's the best.

It's the best.

You're both just like, no expectations.

Just like, let's have a good time.

You're going north to Finland.

I'll go with you.

We'll fuck a little shore.

Like Segura's German girl that he met in Algiers and Tunisia.

But I was just anybody.

And by the way, whoever reached out with that postcard about meeting a Thai girl who you found out was a woman for sure and getting her name tattooed?

What's the update on that?

I want to know.

Anyway, but let's go with this.

Richard.

Because I did meet a lovely Finnish lady and we're getting it on up here.

I am at Dominica Descent from New York City with Heights

Sectism.

Oh, you're from there.

Oh, I'm a Dominican descent.

Okay.

Moy Moy from Richard.

Damn, dude.

And look, you got the fucking postcard from up there.

Pretty cool.

Pretty fucking cool.

Northern Lights, bro.

Fucking red.

Let's open this one because this one might be some money.

Next week on the episode, we have...

by the way, today's episode was recorded by

Your Mom's House Network.

It was edited by Alan Caffey,

expert editor.

Let's see, next week, I got a whole Giannis Papas.

Woo!

You know what we got to do?

We got to make a playlist.

You'd be tripping playlist.

Please subscribe, but by country, alphabetical order by country.

Guys, remind me.

Kooks, Thornton, Missouri.

Two kooks.

Okay, whatever.

Let's open this one up.

I should also be filling this wall with postcards while I'm waiting to fill up the rest of it.

Thank you.

It's money!

It's money!

Let me show you how.

Did I ever show you how you open up

birthday presents and birthday cards in the Jewish households, or at least in my household?

It's like this.

Ooh, what do we got here?

Brazil.

Republic dos Catamos Unidos de Brazil.

Fucking badass.

Who's that guy?

Who's that guy?

I'd like to know.

Blood is on his hands for sure.

Kim Curtina.

Never been to Brazil.

That's not true.

I have been to Brazil.

Aila Chujascaria with Joe Rogan.

Excuse me.

Excuse me.

Apologies.

Joe Hogan

in Rio de Janeiro.

It's crazy.

I went out to the beaches there.

What a good time.

Rogan wouldn't come.

UFC told him, put in his head that they're like, it's so dangerous.

And I was like, well, we're literally across the street from the Rio beaches.

I'm going.

And he goes, ah.

I'm also not an international kidnapping target.

You know, you got to know, everything with grain of salt.

Everyone has benefits and whatever.

So

it's a lot easier for me to go out people like just some guy with no money all right thanks for the years of laughter been a fan since the beginning i'm inspired by your love of adventure and travel that's great man everybody who can get a fucking passport because of me i'll take credit go do it we need travel we need passport holders as merch you be tripping passport holders i'm inspired by your love of adventure and travel my father-in-law was stationed in brazil around 1957 making maps for the Army Air Corps

later became the Air Force.

I I found this bill in my husband's childhood piggy bank while decluttering.

Whoa, what?

It's an old one?

I hope 2025.

It's an old one.

Can't tell what year.

But it's going up on the wall.

Where should we put it?

Right there.

Let me finish reading this as I do it.

I hope 2025 is incredible for you.

And enjoy your family and friends during the holiday season.

Well, that'll tell you when this was sent.

Shine on, you crazy diamond Kelly.

P.S.

Yes, you do have at least one 60-year-old woman as a fan.

Kelly, you're a beautiful soul.

God damn, this is cool.

All right, read one more postcard while we're doing this.

Hello from Corfu.

We wanted to mail you a dildo since it lined the streets of Athens.

What?

Is that true?

I don't remember that.

Where'd you stay, bro?

But an old lady on a

Giardas will do.

We never thought we'd see

bigger balls than yours until we stumbled across a homely local who was hanging sweet chariot

on the island.

Sweet chariot.

Oh, is that a term for balls out?

I love it.

On the island of Corfu.

God, this is fucking fragile money.

10-10, would recommend visiting Eleftheria E Thanatos.

Michaela and Josh from Bozeman, Montana.

Dude, that's where

I'm pretty sure, unless it's Billings, definitely Montana.

That's where Zane Jareski's from.

That's where Zane Jareski's from.

And now you guys all know when you see this next,

where it came from.

I might move it.

Fucking great one.

Hold on.

Let me show you the postcard.

And then let's call the episode.

Isn't that cool?

Grease, Corfu Grease.

I mean, imagine seeing this.

Imagine being in a place and seeing this.

It's so fucking cool.

So, Ari Shafir, 151 First Avenue, number 489, New York, New York, 10003.

We will save this one till next time.

Austerreich.

Where the fuck fuck is that?

John and Holly.

Czech Republic.

We'll do it next time.

Guys, thank you very much for tuning in.

Please subscribe.

Next week, Giannis Papas is coming on to talk about South Africa.

Every week is different.

I hope you guys are enjoying this as much as I do.

Please continue to suggest people that are outside the comedy world and outside the travel.

I named the words there.

Travel blogger world as well.

Somebody mentioned Patrick Beverly.

He's coming on the podcast, former Philadelphia 76er.

And I reached out and he goes, Yeah, I'm into it.

I'm into travel now.

So if you heard of anyone who's been to a weird place, suggest it on the comments, and I will get to it.

Well, at least try.

Thank you very much for tuning in, everybody.

I love you all.

I know this.

Asta Luego, but it's not.

It's Amazonian.

So it's a different, it's fucking

Quechua,

probably.

I don't know how to say goodbye in Quechua.

But

hasta lube, haça

semana de espuis.

That's definitely wrong.

Bye.