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Hello, dear listener, and welcome to the Auntie Donna podcast, where sometimes we do goofy, crazy things, but other times we have a guest on and we get to interview them and we have a bit of fun with it.

And we have today just one of Australia's most incredible actors, David Wenham.

He's in one of my favorite Australian films of all time, Oranges and Sunshine.

Quite a bleak film, but a great film, a wonderful film.

He was also in

300.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Okay.

So I've come in today,

expecting to interview David Wenham.

What I've just realized before me is...

There are two David Wenhams here.

Yes, that's right.

Hello, Marcus.

Yes, we're David Wenham, Australian actor David Wenham.

Now, if you don't know who we are, you could Google us.

Maybe you ask your mum, we were a diver dan in.

Your mum probably knew us from Sea Change.

Sea Change, and you probably know us from 300.

Yeah, the kids know us from 300, which is a great film.

Publishers played a little bit of your 300 episode, very funny.

But also made films in Australia like Three Dollars or The Brush Off with Murray Whelan.

Right.

Of course, Get In Square.

Getting Square with John Spateri, which we've made a sequel to called Spit.

We're both David Wedham.

We're both David Weddham.

Are you?

Okay, because I am.

I'm full of a bucket of questions.

Probably about the film Oranges and Sunshine.

That was a real treat to me.

That could have been the thrilling drama Top of the Lake, which I starred in.

I haven't seen Top of the Lake.

It's fantastic.

Is it less than that?

Is a recreation of Wake and Fright, where I played Jock Crawford.

Oh, what a thrill.

I loved that film growing up.

It was something that inspired me to be an actor.

And of course, you could see me in the film Better Man.

Oh, right, of course.

It was I in Better Man.

No, not the TV miniseries where I played Julian McMahon in 2013.

Oh yes, that's it.

So I played Julian McMahon.

But I'm also, you might have seen me in Elvis.

Yes, you were in Elvis.

You were Elvis' dad, I believe.

No, that was Roxborough.

Oh, sorry, that was Roxborough.

But we do get confused from time to time.

I'm good friends with Roxborough.

Yeah, we're often in films together.

Well, I even joke about, you know, when we met, we were a lot younger, and he was, of course, from NADA, and I was, of course, from BCA.

Very different schools.

Different schools, but we both acted in Australia in the 90s and 2000s.

Yeah, he got his start in Sydney at the sort of Sydney Theatre Company and Belvoir.

I got my start.

And D.C., the repertory company, I played, did a staging of Cyrano de Bergerac.

But I can see how you'd make the mistake.

Thank you for that.

I saw that.

Oh, thank you so much.

Are you the same man?

Yes.

Well, we were, yes.

We were about maybe seven or eight hours ago.

And what happened?

Well, what happened was,

I don't know exactly the circumstances, but I'm an actor and an actor is never late and an actor never rescinds on a promise.

So I said I would do this podcast.

That's right, I did.

And even though the scientists said maybe you should stay for a little more examination, we were in a sort of a,

there was a quantum experiment

about super position.

David Wenham quantum experiments.

Now I'm just an actor.

I don't really understand this stuff.

But I was just there.

It was a friend of mine.

He was showing me how something could be in super position.

I don't understand it.

Basically, what happened is

I was inside the chamber.

I should have been outside the chamber.

They locked the doors before they realised I was in there.

And what's happened is I've been split off into two people.

Right.

Kind of like

a Cronenberg film.

You're kind of in the way.

Have you seen the film Australia, which I'm in?

Yes, I have.

I have Neil Fletcher.

Yes.

And also the film.

He's such an interesting director, isn't he?

Yeah, yeah, Baz.

Such an interesting director.

I've worked with Baz for over 30 years.

Really?

Yes.

But Delso, have you seen the TV series Far Away Downs?

Well, it's just an extended cut.

Well, that's not two DAOs.

Yeah,

the same thing, but two people.

So up until a point, they were the same thing.

And at some point, they split off.

We split off about eight hours ago.

This has never happened in the history of humanity.

So you've been...

So you have been...

The first time this has happened, Mr.

David Winter.

And you've got to understand the scientists, the quantum physicists.

Outside of this room, scientists are running around.

And all of them, they're the ones that can answer any specific questions.

I've said about as much as I understand.

Right, okay.

And also in the recreate, the film Joe vs.

Carol, about Carol Beskin and Joe Chicago, whatever his name is.

Well, I didn't know that film existed.

Ricky Dollin is a great film,

very underappreciated.

Yeah, it's a great Australian film when films in Australia.

Also, The Bank with David Wenham and Anthony DiPaglio.

Oh.

I also did a short film a few years ago about a man buying a rose for a lady.

I can't remember the details, but it was a very sweet short film.

I was like, I did the film The Voice of Kano in Mortal combat but you probably want to ask less about

really

you probably want to ask less about our careers and more about the fact that after a quantum experiment the god arrived at least there were two favors maybe you might have known me uh most kids today know me from lord of the rings or 300 yeah i was going to say you were in lord of the rings but then i was like

brother of boromir but i just got i didn't really read it as a boy and so i got the script and i just thought here's another character and kate was in it of course yeah it's the least interesting thing about you right now, if I'm being completely honest.

You know, the fact that you were in Lord of the Rings.

You were in Van Helsing, too.

I played Carl.

I remember.

I had a lot of scenes with my dear friend Miranda Otto in

Lord of the Rings.

And I remember we were in.

Miranda and I, yeah.

We were both in the second and third, so it was a very strange experience filming.

We were there for most of the time.

I know it was going on.

Another character.

The first film came out a whole year before, you know, I remember calling Miranda on the phone and saying, you know, strange, isn't it, to have been in this film and no one's seen our work.

And that's great.

Do you have separate memories?

Absolutely.

Up until seven hours ago, our memories are exactly the same.

Right, but since then, are you creating memories that you are unable?

Because that's what I think we should be talking about.

What's that?

Oh, the case.

Like, the film career stuff is very interesting.

And if you were one David Wenham, that's probably absolutely what we'd be focusing on.

Yeah, but you'd be talking about my film career.

You would be talking about me and Crocodile Hunt a collision course.

Well, you're right.

And I didn't even know you were in that.

Let him ask the question, David.

I didn't even know you were in that.

Sorry, sorry.

That's the first time I've ever disagreed with myself.

So, is that what's happening here?

Are you disagreeing with yourself?

Well, I don't know.

I mean, you've got to understand this is, I could talk at length about my film career.

Yeah,

I could talk about Pure.

I could talk about Dust.

I could talk about the Moulin Rouge.

We could talk about

that,

yeah.

We could talk about all of those things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's been my whole life.

I've only been split into two people for the last seven hours.

A lot of your questions I don't have the answer to, but no, we don't share any memories.

Earlier, he went to the toilet.

Yeah, no, he did it.

You don't know if he did one or two.

Well, did you at that time?

Did you need to go to the toilet?

It's funny, isn't it?

Because I thought to myself, I had a thought, because this was only maybe an hour after we split into two.

I thought to myself, I drank so much water, why don't I need to go to the toilet?

And I think what's happened is is not only the water,

the water went with him, the water didn't split.

And I said that to the scientists, they're looking into it now.

Is the plan is the plan to

re-come back into one David Wenham?

I mean,

no science has bogged me.

We don't know if there's long-term repercussions from splitting off and becoming two David Wenhams or any other person for that matter.

Yeah, right.

Was I meant to be?

Perhaps, you know, one of us was meant to be in a separate universe and we've been brought into this one.

Perhaps we have literally split in two.

The recreation of atoms, maybe one of us is entirely synthetic.

Yeah.

You know, there are so many questions, and I'm an actor.

I don't know the answers to them.

If I was given this role, there's things I would have approached it with actioning and objectiving and getting out of here.

I've talked to some

quantum physicists about these sorts of experiments.

I knew they'd done it to a monkey.

Yeah.

They told me they'd done it to a monkey a few weeks ago.

To the best of our understanding, unless you've learned something in the

last six hours hours that I haven't, David, we're the first human beings to ever be split into two people.

Why you?

Because we were all inside of all the people.

So they didn't know we were inside the chamber.

You snuck in the chamber window.

No, we're not.

We're just simply looking in there.

We're invited.

And which one of you did it?

Which one of you snuck in?

Me.

Him and me.

Me.

Both of you snuck in.

And me.

Me.

Well, you understand, this was before we split.

Right.

So

we both, I, I went into the chamber.

Yeah.

Right.

And we, and we came out.

We came out.

I don't know.

Did you go into the chamber?

Yes, I remember going into the chamber and walking out of the chamber and seeing you.

Looking at the door and saying, why is no one else in the chamber?

Looking at the door, realising it had closed.

So, David, I'm curious with you.

Do you remember doing Cossie?

Yes, absolutely.

I remember doing Cosie.

I remember doing playing Diver Dan.

Yeah, I remember all of that too.

Playing Cossie.

I played Doug and Cozzie.

He was great, Cosie.

Cossie's a play turned into a film in the 90s.

Beautiful film.

About putting on Cozzie Fantuti at a mental asylum.

Have you seen Sea Change, Mark?

No.

No.

Sea Change tells a story of a lady played by Sigrid Thornton.

She's in the city.

She's all stressed.

And she makes a sea change.

She makes a move.

She moves to a city.

I know Kevin Garrington.

I know Kevin.

Yeah, I know he plays.

I know you both played Diver Dan, or just you played Diver Dan.

I played Diver Dan.

Well, yeah, right.

Do you understand what happens?

So, if you were to get a role tomorrow.

I mean, this is far too early days to be talking about anything.

Well, we've got to be able to talk about something

because it's not interesting to talk about your film career when there's two of you on it.

It'd be surprised how many films you've seen there.

You've been in vision and theatres.

Yeah, you've been in fucking everything.

Yeah, sure.

You were of that era.

You work at one of the few jobbing actors in Australia.

You're of that era when, if you were a masculine man but interested in art,

you had your career just fucking laid out for you.

I lived down by La Cross and Alexi Toliopoulos worked at the video store that I'd frequent.

Really?

Yes, that's true.

Yes, I found that out recently on a podcast.

At the time, I was one person.

Now I'm two.

It's strange, isn't it, Mark?

Yeah, it is.

Do you get cravings at the same time?

Well, I know.

Have you had any cravings today?

Oh, no, not yet.

I'll let you know that.

This is the thing.

The scientists are getting to us, jot down a log of all the different things we, and they gave us two separate books.

They insisted very firmly.

They said, I think you should cancel the podcast.

You've been turned into two people.

You don't do that.

Something I learned at VCA that I hold to is an actor never gets sick.

You know, an actor will always arrive.

And they said,

this is a little more serious than sick.

When I was making Legends of Guardians, The Isle of Gahul.

I was doing

the sick owls.

I did a voice of one of the owls for Zach Snadder's Legends of Garl.

I remember on that, one day I woke up, I was the crookest I'd been in a while, and I said, I need to go in.

Yeah, I still need to go in.

And they said to me, Well, this isn't a sickness, this is some sort of

the very foundations of the universe are being questioned right now.

We'd love to keep you in, particularly the fact that the water didn't split.

Did you ever hear the water in your battle?

Did you ever hear the podcast?

Did you ever hear the podcast we did where it was three David Wenhams?

Oh, that's the one where you did the 300.

Yeah,

I remember that.

Yeah, publicists played a little bit of it.

Yeah.

Thought I'd be upset about it, actually.

I thought it was very funny.

And what did you think?

I thought it was absolutely hilarious.

I thought I'd be offended by it.

It was really funny.

He played it for us yesterday.

Oh,

there's no...

Yes, of course we had it.

Okay, you both had the same reaction to it.

All right.

Did you know I'm in Peter Rabbit?

No, I didn't know that.

Yeah, I played Johnny Town Mouse.

It's an Australian film.

Is it?

Oh, yes.

Ever filmed filmed here?

I think it is very strange, I think, that we've split into two people, isn't it?

Yeah, it's weird.

It's super weird.

But I don't think I could have been, a better person could have been in this position because my whole life and your whole life, David Wenham, is finding characters and going, how would they exist?

And so I looked at this and I thought, well, this is just another example of that, is me, David Wenham.

And I even thought, you know, it's funny because that's, when did you think that?

Quite soon?

I thought that about an hour in.

When they were checking out our hands for pain?

Yes.

Right.

It's funny because at the same time I was thinking my whole life, I've always struggled to find the time to do both theatre and film and television.

Yeah.

There you go.

This is

flip, right?

Yeah.

So, and I was thinking, this is a great opportunity.

I could do some theatre.

He could do some film.

Is that why you said that?

He could do some film and television.

Yeah, I've always regretted.

I was doing a re.

STC was talking about doing a restaging of the Cherry Orchard a few years ago, but I chose instead to do combat, one Bat, Back to Back.

And so I couldn't do two projects at once.

But how great would have been?

It's only so much they can pay.

It's Combat One Bat.

It's a film that was shot in 2023.

I voiced Lenny.

I do the voice work, you know.

What happens if

you similar things?

What happens?

What happens if you do The Cherry Orchard and you do one bat back-to-back?

Combat one bat.

Combat one bat.

And

you're bad in the play, or the reviews say you're terrible in the play, and then the rehumbles come out and then you're great in the movie.

What happens then?

What happens to the two David Wenhams?

I mean, every time you make a project, you've got to remove the results from it.

It's all about finding truth in that moment.

Yeah, that's what you've got to do.

I mean, obviously, Van Helsing wasn't very well received.

300 had

before.

That was before.

Do you remember when we got the script for 300?

I said, What is this?

What is this?

I don't think this is going to be a flop.

Turned out to be one of the great films of the early 2000s.

It was a great opportunity to get fit, you know.

Oh, yes, and Zach Snyder.

Zach is so funny.

He's such a funny man.

Yeah.

But

I think to get to your question,

are we going to sort of maintain this

same person kind of idea or the same way that twins come from the same embryo?

Are we now different people?

Where will you sleep tonight?

Is one of us going to become an evil David Wenham, I think, is the crux of the question.

Well, but even more, even more base.

Where will you sleep tonight?

Well, I'll probably go home to my bed, but then you'll be there as well.

Yes, that's a good point.

That's a good point there.

You've really raised that.

Does one of us take the bed and the other have to sleep on the streets, friend with himself, and eventually become evil David Williams?

Are you married?

Do you have a partner?

Now, I'm not sure about that based on research and that sort of thing.

What's interesting here, though, is we cut to an ad break.

When we come back, we're going to tackle

the moral and ethical questions of an evil David Williams.

I also just want to know, like, what you like, do you have to go back who pays for dinner?

Yes, but I should say.

It's an interesting question.

Have you spoken to Kate yet?

No, my wife, Kate.

Yeah, no, it's going to be quite confronting for her.

She has no idea that you're a drink.

But she's an actress and a yoga teacher.

She's just a Belvoir Street actor.

So the issue here, right, is

if there had been sort of a split and there was any way to tell,

maybe the water in his belly tells us something.

But

that's the one thing we can draw from at the moment.

If there is any way to tell who is the real David Wenham,

then maybe we'd have a better shot.

The real David Wenham, he gets to go back and live in the nice house in Sydney with his wife.

The other David Wenham has to live on the streets, fend for himself.

It's not only becoming evil David Wenham.

Why, though?

Why?

Well, the real question of that would be who would be the better actor.

That's where it gets interesting.

And then when it gets extra interesting, is what does that say about the nature of evil itself?

Well, yeah, yes.

How would that influence my art as an actor?

That is all very fascinating.

And how would living on the streets turn me evil?

Absolutely.

Now, if it is circumstance that made me evil and

a comfortable life that keeps him on the straight and narrow, is it not circumstance that creates evil, not birth?

Or is the inverse true?

Is the person seeing the other David Wenham living in desolate, destitute in slums,

that fear of becoming that himself, does that in turn turn the good David Wenham evil?

Sure.

He greed to secure what he has already.

Sure, obviously,

if this was a film I was playing and it was a science fiction film, maybe by the Speerg brothers, I've talked to them in the past.

They often go for an American in the end, but you know, often have a conversation.

Sure.

And I've talked to them and if I was doing this in a film, I'd go, well, what's a real-life equivalent, you know, here?

Sure.

And obviously you play your actions, that sort of thing.

But I might go, oh, instead,

it's like a father and a son.

You know, a father, their son never wants to be like his father or, you know, that sort of thing.

Now, if I was asked to do this film, I imagine we could both play the split-off people.

That's a great savings for VFX.

And also,

I would just tap into this very experience.

But yeah, but will you shower together?

I don't see the need for that.

And the scientists did ask us not to shower until they'd done a full scan of our bodies.

Right, but when you go to shower,

will you shower together?

No, I don't think so.

No, I don't see the reason.

There's no reason for us to.

Because even, you know, when you shower somewhere else, it leaves someone cold.

But what if you both need to be somewhere at the same time and you're running late?

What would you do?

We've got two projects.

What would the problem be if you and someone else needed to be in the same place?

So you both got to be at the same place, right?

Exactly.

You just degree who needs to shower?

Who needs to maybe.

But what would be wrong with showering together?

I don't think anything would be wrong with showering together.

But then why are you so against that?

Honestly, it's just not the first thought of it.

It doesn't even cross my mind.

It's more than the fact that I've split into two people.

I'm worried that one of us is going to deteriorate.

What about when you make love?

At a quantum level, you understand?

One of us.

Sure, sure.

We don't know that.

We don't know.

What about when you make love?

Oh, we've talked about MMF3s.

Huge, right.

A huge leap forward in science beyond the wildest dreams of humanity.

Well, have you spoken about MMF3?

Yes,

because you sound like you have, but it doesn't look like it.

When did you talk about it?

I called our wife.

I said, hey, would you be up for a day?

Just to try and soften it.

All right.

Well, yes, no.

Well, look, my mind probably goes to a similar place as David Winner, but that phone call was between David and Kate, not David and Kate.

Right.

But you have to understand, right?

I think David was getting more to the point, other than the MMF thing.

Yeah.

Is the point of

what's happened here is more than just me and David.

Yeah.

It's a change in the way we think about humanity.

It's bigger than the fact that I'm an actor is irrelevant.

This is bigger than humanity, even.

Well, you have to say for a bank account.

Look, honestly,

it's bigger than that.

This is the foundations of the universe.

Yes, it's bigger than that.

But also, there is some practical things that I am very interested in knowing how.

But do you understand that if this happened to you, you wouldn't have even thought of this?

What if you buy something that you don't agree with?

We own a home.

We own a home.

We own a home that has one, well, two signatures, us and our wife.

What if you go out and buy a ninja creamy and you're also you've also gone out and buy ninja creamy ninja creamy.

You come home and you've got two ninja creamies as an example.

But what about the fact that we own

one ninja creamie now?

Who owns that ninja creamy?

Yeah.

I presume the good David Wenham.

Fundamentals of morals and laws do not apply to the splitting of humanity.

If you get a divorce everything.

Fundamental change.

If you get a divorce, are things split three ways?

It's a great question.

All of this needs to be started again if we're going to start splitting people like we have me, David Wenham and him, David Wenham.

We've gone back down.

We're saying fundamentally, you're talking about societal things that have happened in the last thousand years.

Just practical things.

You're going to have

to go back to the Big Bang here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that's important yet to be reconsidered.

I just don't think you've thought about what the next week and the next day.

We haven't thought about it at all.

This was thrust upon us, David Wenham.

And we are the one.

Are you snuck into that facility?

Not to be split.

Not to be split.

What did they say?

We were speaking.

We were visiting our children.

David Wenham doesn't speak.

It just happens a lot.

Have you seen Spider-Man?

When he gets bitten by the spider, it was purely an accident.

We were in the chamber.

They didn't know that everyone had left.

There was a misconception.

He was sandman.

More like sandmen.

This brings up an interesting question for me, David.

Do you have the power to fly now?

Not that I've noticed.

No, Joe, yesterday before I went out and could feel myself rising off the ground.

That's very interesting.

That's very interesting.

If there's some sort of power.

Maybe we've both been given some sort of Fed testing for situation, which I auditioned for for the original one in 2001.

And?

I'm unlucky it went to Horatio hornblower yes which I also auditioned for yeah didn't get that either so I guess my question is I have been talking about foundational of the universe I do think we can get a little bit closer I think the closest relative to the humans that do this are germs yeah and what's happened here is we've split like a germ yeah now obviously it was that we're talking biology here instead of um quantum stuff but yeah now what would a germ do if a germ split into?

Spread.

What's the ethics around germs, I guess?

Yeah, there are no ethics to germs.

But I'm not an ethicist.

I'm an actor.

It would spread, right?

No, I have done some drafts on films of very exciting projects that I've written.

Well, don't we want to vanquish germs?

Do you know what?

I should probably call Kate and her husband.

You know, Kate's husband.

Andrew Apted.

That's your husband.

Oh, you mean Kate.

Kate.

That's funny.

You knew who I was talking about.

But you know, I wrote the segment Commission from the turning.

What?

So I do bitter writing.

I do write a scenario.

You adapted that bit.

I wrote the screenplay.

I adapted the screenplay.

Yeah,

for the turning.

For the segment commission.

But I do think maybe I should call Caden Andrew.

Andrew's a smart guy.

He's a writer.

He might have some ideas about the moral and ethical quandary.

The Three Sisters or the Chekhov players.

They brought that to New York.

You've been to Rome.

Sydney Theatre.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Beautiful by the Harbour.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's strange.

Do you think they're more daring than the repertory company nearby?

Yes, I agree.

Tell me, Mark, if you were split into, what would you do?

Well, I mean, I don't know.

I don't know what my other half would do.

Would they do the same as me?

I think the fact that he's got water in his belly and bladder

gives us the strongest hint that he's the original David.

Now, I'm not saying that for sure.

Yeah.

If he is, that's going to set me up to become evil David.

So you think there is an original?

You think one of you has stayed the same and one of you is a rattle?

I don't think there is.

I think more than that.

More likely, we've split right down the middle.

Would you be comfortable around each other naked?

Sure, I should have to do that.

Absolutely.

I would have no problem with that.

But that's most people.

I've done really daring theatre where I have seen lots of naked men and it does not bother me at all.

You have to learn to watch yourself if you're an actor on your screen.

Would you?

Oh, I haven't even considered it.

I haven't even considered it.

We could check back in later about that, maybe a week away.

Would it feel weird?

Would it feel weird?

Just thinking about it.

I don't know.

I honestly have not considered it.

And I'll tell you why.

I've been more worried about the fact that I think there's a good chance I'm going to become the evil David Wennon.

You see, even we're seven hours out of splitting here, and he's already have, I don't have these.

All that I've learned is that I have water in my belly and I can fly.

So, so.

And he.

But if he's the original.

No, we're not saying that.

No, we don't know that.

We're saying if it comes to that.

It's all theoretical, I suppose.

If it comes to that.

It would have been six.

If one of us had water in your belly and one of us didn't

is an indication.

And if it comes to that, I worry that he'll get the house, he'll get the wife.

Leaving me to fend for myself in the streets of Sydney.

Do you not feel any superpowers coming through in any way?

No, I mean, did you feel like you could fly, or did you just start floating?

I felt the urge to do so and then went to a ledge before, after I went to the bathroom, and then I sort of hovered off and landed back down on the street.

Wow, like a full fly.

Yes.

Wow.

Okay.

Okay.

Well.

We'd like to plug Spit.

Yeah, if we can play Spit.

Yeah, if you both want to play.

I mean, well, you can plug different things if you want.

You can plug Spit.

Have you anything else you want to plug?

Because I just want to talk about Spit.

I mean, I'm worried about it.

I'm going to return to the role of John Spitieri.

I'm worried about plugging Spit.

Only because...

Spitier's is a big name in wearable.

We do have a bit of back end,

and I don't know how we're going to split that now.

Yeah.

And because there is an argument that I'm the evil, David Wenham, or will it be clear?

It feels like you want

to desire it.

I'd much rather.

You know, I've got a lovely life.

You know, the life of an actor is challenging.

I've found comfort in my place.

And I'm having a lovely time.

Ever since Diver Dan, you know, blew up, I've really settled into my life.

And the idea of going back, well, I've never lived on the streets, living on the streets,

offending to myself.

Might turn you evil.

Living in the sewers of Sydney, perhaps with rats and vermin,

becoming one with the rats and vermin, re-emerging 20 years later as evil David Wenham.

Yeah, I don't think

it's terribly appealing.

Yes, and I'd be able to communicate.

Well, actually, it's funny you say that.

Do I have any powers?

The other moment when I was walking up towards this building, I saw a rat and I heard a lady speaking.

A language I'd never heard before.

Here we go.

But I understood every word.

This David Wenham talks to the rats and the vermin.

You do have a power.

I believe, I'm not sure, but I believe that the woman I heard was actually the rat in front of you.

And this happened the other moment.

Just the other moment.

The other moment downstairs.

Have you heard any other animals talk to you?

I believe I've heard all the vermin, the pigeons, the cockroaches.

You are one with the forgotten.

With the forgotten animals, the animals that have been subjugated by the urban sprawl.

The urban sprawl

I might be forced to live amongst.

Sort of like your character in $3.

A little bit like my character in $3.

So they can talk to the animals?

No, he has $3.

Oh.

Okay.

Well, what my worry is here now is that he's got a power that's majestic and beautiful.

He's also got the strongest argument, even though I believe we've split right down the middle,

like superposition type thing.

I don't understand it.

He's got the strongest legal argument.

I think he's going to get the house.

He's going to learn to fly.

And I wouldn't say no to the house for being on the bottom.

And I wouldn't say no to the house.

It's up on the Sunshine Coast.

Super strength?

Not to my knowledge.

I've picked up a coffee cup so far.

I've gone to the toilets.

You can fly without super strength.

This might be, it might break your legs if you're not careful.

I could fall apart if I was to do it.

The scientists are still baffled by the...

Yeah, we're not going to go flying around anytime soon.

Well, you're definitely not.

Well, the fact that I can talk to rats, isn't that a good argument?

I mean just on cultural sort of

moors,

that's not the power of the good David Wenham.

That's the power of the evil David Wednemore.

It depends.

You could use the power of rats for good.

This self-awareness which has held me in such good stead as an actor in Australia over the last 30 years.

Yeah.

That self-awareness that you're currently exhibiting David says to me that that's exciting.

Maybe the power of me, the power I can wield by flying, will make me greedy.

I think it's the twist.

I think the twist is that we all think

that the flying David Wenham is going to be the good because you're the dirt one, you're the suicide.

You live amongst the rats.

You think you don't take care of yourself anymore.

But we were both in Sea Change.

Yes.

Moulin Rouge.

Yeah,

we both did Moulin Rouge.

And you both did Spit.

Far away down somewhere.

But only one of us...

one of us can fly and one of us will live amongst the vermin of Sydney.

Right.

And I believe.

I believe.

It's going to be very interesting to see

which one comes up good and which one comes up evil.

I think this turn for a movement twist.

Time will tell.

Time will tell.

Well, if you think about it.

I've got a question for you, Ma.

Yeah, shoot.

Do you think when I become evil David Wenham?

If...

Oh, if, for sure.

If Edwin.

Even when I become evil David Wenham, all things considered, we can't put us back together again, all of that.

If when I become evil David Wenham, I re-emerge, do you think my goal will be to to kill good David Wenham, or do you think my goal will be to, you know, free the vermin, kill a lot of people, something more magneto?

And our relationship is less adversarial.

Join me, brother.

Join me, brother, a Magneto Professor X kind of dynamic, because I think that would be a lot of fun to play.

I'd love to see a screenplay of that.

I think that would be lots of fun to play.

Well, you're a writer, I believe.

Yes, well, I wrote the segment Commissioner from the Turning.

Maybe we could call Kate and Andrew, have breakfast, and see if he could have a funny thing.

Who wrote the Water Diviner as as well?

What was his name again?

Pick his Brains.

You know, the guy writes.

Pick his brains.

Go.

Listen, we've split in two.

We've got an idea for a project that maybe we could.

And that would be great.

When was the last time

Andrew Upton wrote anything?

Upton, he's writing plays.

He's assistant director of the Melbourne Theater.

Andrew Knight would be great as well.

Oh, Andrew Knight would be great.

I think I'd probably organise a couple of weeks if I've got a couple of weeks off.

Text or coffees.

Jack Irish.

Yeah.

Oh, yes.

I think it'd be good to talk to Stephen.

The the artful Dodger.

Oh, I love that one.

So is the plan.

How am I not in the Artful Dodger?

So just getting,

just wrapping my head, just wrapping my head around this.

But is there anything else?

You could have done Spit.

I could have done that.

That's what's so exciting more than ever.

More than this evil, good David Wenham.

Will the flying David Wenham and the King of the Pigs David Wenham?

I can't talk about that.

Will that be whatever it is?

The king of the forgotten,

the Lord of the Vermin.

Is that going to happen?

I don't know.

Is that that all over them?

That's a good thing.

No, no, no.

It's a kinship with them.

Yeah, yeah.

I am a brother of the vermin.

Yes.

Yeah.

Is that going to happen, or are we talking about writing a screenplay about it?

Because I've gotten a bit confused.

Both.

So it'll be based on a true story.

Well, I suspect this will happen.

I will become one with the vermin.

Yeah.

He will become just more of a successful working actor.

Time will tell.

Time will flies.

I mean, maybe.

I want to get back on the stage.

Yeah, right.

It could be a play.

Yeah.

Maybe it could be a rock musical.

That would be awesome.

Yeah.

I love rock and it's a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little

bit of clips on the way here.

Yeah.

You've got a very strong, you're a very strong actor, all three of you.

Oh, thank you so much.

I can really see that in you.

Hey,

I'd love to be in the movie if it happens.

Oh, sure.

Yes.

Well, that's well out of the way.

I have to get in my directing collaborative part, John Toplitsky.

But if you ever want to pick our brains.

I worked with Broden on Irreverent.

John Taplitzki, who made Spit.

Oh, right.

Oh, Oh, yes.

Very, very good.

Yes.

Great director.

John Droden.

He's the plays.

He's got the bald hair with the title.

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

It's funny that you remembered the name and I didn't.

All right.

Well.

Well, look at that.

That's more science.

They're already splitting off, you know.

Throw to the end of the episode.

So the longer you spend apart, the more I believe.

It's like twins.

Twins are the same.

They just split off at a different point.

Identical twins.

Yeah.

Not like the film twins.

Oh, no, that's different.

Different.

When one of us puts on weight, you know, that sort of thing.

When it's serious or a beard, one without a beard.

We tend to always have a bit of stubble.

Yeah.

I expect they'll want to do scientific experiments on us.

Lots of opportunities.

And maybe that will turn one of us evil.

Maybe you'll be happy for the return.

I'll be like, no.

I don't know if I was clear.

I'm very happy to become the evil David Wenner.

No, yeah, no, I think there's potential for both to become the evil David Wenemer.

I think

a draft with Andrew Knight and then chucking it over to John Daplitsky and seeing what he he says.

I would argue that chances are both of you will play the good and the bad.

Yes.

I'm sure.

But I think

wouldn't it be interesting if one of us sort of bulked up for the role and the other one sort of went impoverished, you know, like I'd been living under.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, thanks for your time, Matt.

Thanks, man.

Thanks for coming on the 2 David Weddings podcast.

Okay.

See, the way he's taken over is quite evil.

Yeah, yeah, that is.

Yeah, that's the thing.

But you did that too.

What?

You initiated it.

That's right.

Maybe that's a little little nod like Jajar thinks in episode one that goes nowhere.

Took you 10 years to be able to riff with the other boys like that, know where they're going with something.

Because we shared a brain for so many years, we can riff

like we're comedians that have worked together for 12 years.

Isn't that fascinating?

Well, do you want to say goodbye or

best go back to that lab and check in with those sites?

Yeah, I'd do that.

I'd get on that.

Bye.

Bye.

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