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Well, can you believe we're here? Can you believe this is us?

Here we are.

Kate and Ty break it down.

Episode one.

I know, right?

What are we doing?

It's been, you tell me.

I don't know.

It's already been a journey to get here and we're here. I mean me I just feel like we work so hard to get here yeah to do this and we have so many like avenues we want to go with it so many it's like ADHD yeah it really is ADHD podcast version like here watch our brains scramble and just go off of all these different things because I also don't want us to be like we're not going to be interviewing celebrities every week we're not going to be you know what i mean i feel like it's i want to stay real and raw me and you have great conversations even just up in our bed when we're watching tv yeah and i want to feel like that you know and i think also just giving and giving platforms to voices that aren't typically

heard in some situations i think too you know like like as far as adoption goes and addiction

and adoption yeah addiction marriage yeah because honestly i feel like i know with with teen mom and

stuff they have a specific they see what they see right yeah it cuts her whole life into little

pieces and they plaster on tv enough to get to see but i feel like with this it's like

Thank you. have a specific they see what they see right yeah it cuts her whole life into little pieces and they plaster on tv enough to get to see but i feel like with this it's like people are going to be able to see a different a just a different side a different and i am i mean i hate to see say like a deeper side too because our show and what we've shared is pretty deep but that still is only the surface level of it we film for months and months and months and then make it into you know five little bits here and there and don't you think sometimes like it's just like some things just aren't justified you're like dude that could have been explained way better that could have like almost like we don't have enough time because we don't we don't i mean yeah now what how many cast members do we have on our show now? Yeah, nine.
Nine. Okay, and we used to only have four.
Four. So it went more than double, which means our time on screen for each episode gets smaller.
It does. So I kind of think this is a perfect little kind of we compensate for it.
Well, because I think also people will be able to listen, and we can talk about things that they just recently saw on TV, and we can dive deeper into it and talk about the backstory, talk about the bigger fallout picture of it if it wasn't that big on the show. You can just expand on things.
Yeah. Because sometimes we'll see clips on TV, and we're like, no, it's – Right.
I can be like – Now I can actually say it. Record.
Okay, hey. So when I mentioned episode 405, we're going to talk – you know what I mean? So we can actually get into it, which I think people who've followed our story for 15 years, they kind of deserve it, I feel like, in a way.
I don't know why they're interested, but – no, I'm just kidding. We always say that.
I know. We're like, are you sure? Are we really, you really want to hear more from us? Right.

Are you sure you like us?

Isn't it hard to kind of like look at yourself in that kind of light?

It is because it's literally just our lives.

And I'm like, I don't ever look at myself in sort of some like spotlight or that.

Oh, you're a TV reality star.

I'm like, no.

Don't say that.

Yeah.

It makes you cringe, doesn't it?

Thank you. sort of some like spotlight or that oh you're a tabby a tv reality star i'm like no don't say that yeah it makes you cringe doesn't it say that or they say like oh what's it like to be a celebrity or it's like no not the c word i know we've always said we've always said that like do not use the c word puke yeah it's like i'm literally like no i'm just literally a normal person with just a normal life i kind of think it's interesting though because like it takes a it takes someone specific to kind of like take yourself out of that viewpoint and look at yourself it requires you to look at yourself in a different light which is hard for us because we just live our lives and then it's like what we think is not that interesting someone's like oh my god wow that's and we're like oh you think that's interesting like we're like yeah when we get feedback from like producers and stuff and they're like what's going on in your life and we're just telling them things and then all of a sudden they're like oh that's super interesting i'm like it is yeah it's almost like when remember the producers recall us and they're like so what's going on in your life and we're like oh this and that but nothing really too much like oh that's kind of a lot going on i'm like oh yeah i guess you're right that's how you that's when you start to realize like maybe my life has been chaos my whole entire life and i'm just never knew it normal i'm just used to chaos and i guess chaos is interesting to other people that don't know me but i feel like we've been working on this for a long time yeah it's been a good six months to a year process and also before that even happened we've been having years of just people like please start a podcast please start a podcast and it's like i almost felt like for a minute it was like well who needs another fucking podcast i know right there's a podcast now about every damn thing under the sun.
Every show, every – you know. But after a while, and especially with how Teen Mom has kind of grown and evolved, I think it's time.
I think it's a great time. So Kate and Ty, break it down.
I mean we're here to break it down. Break it down.
And break it down and it doesn't matter. That's why I wanted to – I thought me and you were thinking about like what we're going to call it.
Yeah. Kate and Ty break it down because I don't want to, I just want to break it down.
Whatever, whatever that is, addiction, adoption, you know, so. Yeah.
And just talk about all things that are very broad. I'm just excited.
I'm excited to do this with you. I'm excited to do this with you too.
I mean, we're going on what, 18 years together? Yeah. Can you fucking believe that? I cannot believe it's been 18 years.
It doesn't like logically. Yeah.
I know it's been 18 years, but't like logically yeah i know it's been 18 years but mentally i'm just like it feels like five yeah that's does that make sense like i don't know i truly i feel like you know when you find your person you know that's your person and here we are seventh grade i said i'm gonna marry that guy and have his kids and i remember i remember thinking you were crazy and i'm like damn you were right you you're like a witch catching a spell like got me out i put a spell on you yeah you knew i'm like what yeah and here we are you know now it's crazy to think about you know all the things that we have done with each other and what we've created back at home is it's something simply amazing and when i was a little girl i always dreamed of having what i have now you know and it's just a blessing to have it isn't it crazy sometimes i'll watch our kids like just going upstairs to go to sleep yeah i love you dad love you and it's just like dude this is insane it is right i never ever thought in my life we'd ever have what we have no and Honestly i mean and we have to give credit to where it's due where it's like i don't think we wouldn't have the specific lifestyle if it wasn't for well no you absolutely not and just the whole mtv experience so which has led to different things like the podcast like you know and that's why i think this podcast will be good because we can dive into deeper things that aren't shown on on television you know like us speaking to adoptees on the daily like we do because you know we're we're being educated more about adoption and knowing how silenced adoptees are and that and also like our other passion projects that we have as far as like reuniting families with lost people um bridging the gap in between family members or cousins or you know whatever like just helping people we always love to help people yeah we love to like educate people and stuff so this will give us a whole different opportunity to do those things but i also feel like it's important to like address what people what what they could expect from you know kate inside break it down which is more or less like i think we talked about a lot about like i want to explore more about adoption for one yeah and for two about what that looks like to help people like this is what adoption looks like this is the industry this is um you know how important it is for for reunification to happen people. Like, this is what adoption looks like.
This is the industry. This is, you know, how important it is for reunification to happen.
Yeah. And I just think it's going to give a different, you know, viewpoint that I think people are so used to, like, you know, they're so used to seeing this beautiful story of, like, oh, these kids in crisis, and they give their baby away, and now, you know, it's so awesome.
And they get to see yourself. It's like, no, there's a lot of raw, real trauma, pain, you know, necessary growth that has to happen.
And just the nitty gritty of all of it. Yeah, there's a hard side and a good side.
And also, too, it's like I don't want people that are listening to think like, oh, it's only going to be an adoption podcast because it's not it's very very broad we have you know multiple people we're wanting to talk to on a whole bunch of different you know subjects and stuff that's why we said in the beginning like adhd yeah on crack but hey that's okay because honestly i feel like i want listeners to go through the journey with us in real time. I don't really want it to feel like we learned something and then now we're just preaching that to them.
And like this is what – I want you to follow us. We're learning as we go.
And I think it's kind of cool that they can be on the ride with us as we do it because honestly we're still learning. and incorporating them into different topics that we talk about and asking them to ask us questions about those topics or, you know, bringing fans on to talk about certain situations and bringing on people that are educated in those certain subjects to talk about it.
Like, um, I think that kind of stuff will be a lot of fun. Yeah.
Um, and also marriage stuff. I feel like, like i know team mom shows like some of our marriage stuff but it's like there's a lot of work that goes into it and it's more or less on the show they more or less show you know everything that we're going through with our adoption our parents struggles the struggles of keeping a relationship with your parents it's not and it's like parenting but no they don't really dive deep into the marriage stuff yeah which i think i think it's kind of one of those things where it's like people we get a lot of positive feedback and comments about oh my god you guys have been together so long and you guys are soulmates and it's all this stuff but it's like there's been so much uh like hardships and growth that had to happen for both of us individually and a lot of you know like that led to us having the relationship that we have and a lot of work work like i think people like oh it's like it's like no there's work involved yeah like i do i do believe though that like the work should you should want to do the work it It shouldn't like, cause when we were doing it,

it didn't feel like work for you. No, it felt like I wanted to learn more and I was curious to learn and to change and to work on things.
That's what I mean. Like I feel like when people go, Oh, it's hard work.
It's like, yeah, it's hard work when you're after you're done through it. But when you're going through, it doesn't feel like work.
It feels like something you want to do. Yeah, it does.
It does. I have a desire to learn more about you.

And I feel like if you never, like if you never would have went to treatment centers and got, you know, your mental health all figured out, I wouldn't have known half the stuff I know.

You know, I mean, family week at your treatment centers was huge.

I mean, I was with your, me and your mom cried.

We held each other. I mean, me and your dad.

Like, it was a huge, it was a huge, like, catalyst for growth.

I felt like I was like, whoa.

I wasn't even expecting it either.

No, and I don't think a lot of people know too like in our younger years you know you and i we did uh couples counseling and things of that nature not just once but multiple times people thought we were crazy remember my mom's like you're going to couples counseling you're 18 that was in the beginning though and that's what i mean as far as like we've done it multiple times throughout our relationship and that it's okay if you need help yeah because we love each other we want to be with each other forever we just want to make sure we're the best versions of ourselves and and it's like one of those things where we knew we wanted to be together forever but we just knew that we almost it's almost like our souls knew it but our emotional wisdom needed to catch up it's like duh we were little yeah duh we're little yeah but I also like I remember like getting so much backlash from my mom and I certain people saying you're 18 why are you going to couples counseling people go to couples counseling when they're 30 and 40 in the middle of a divorce and it's like no no no this is probably do it before you want to get a divorce yeah before you get into the all the stupid stuff like yeah and I also feel like we took our time being engaged. We were engaged for, what, 10 years? Very long time, yeah.
Yeah, and look at the stuff that happened even after we got married. I mean, I always say that our first year of marriage was one of the hardest.
It was. Years of our whole relationship.
That was when you had postpartum. That was when all that stuff happened with all that.
It was a lot. You know what I mean? it wasn't yeah plus like when you date at a young age and you get engaged at a young age i don't i feel like we did it the right way because we truly got to really know about each other on a deep level and you learn more and more about a person the longer you're with them so i couldn't imagine like getting in a relationship dating for five five months, getting engaged and then getting married.
Like that's crazy to me. Which we know people who've done that.
Yeah. And it's weird because those people are now in the middle of shit.
Right. On the brink of divorce.
Like, you know, it's like, we definitely knew that that wasn't something we wanted to do, which I feel like. Cause I didn't feel rushed.
It was like, we both know we're committed to each other. You know, um, why am I rushing to just, you know, get married? Like, I love you.
You love me. You don't cheat.
I don't cheat. I'll be here tomorrow.
You'll be here tomorrow. Right.
Like, why are we rushing it? What's the point? And I also think we and I always tell people, like, I wouldn't have had it any other way. I wouldn't have gotten married sooner.
You know, I wouldn't have got like, oh, why didn't you get married before you had Nova?'s like because we just didn't and it's actually special she got to be a part of it it was amazing she's a little wagon i mean that's like i couldn't ask for any better flower girl exactly right nova seriously so i think yeah i just think i think it's gonna be a good journey and i think it's gonna be a fun journey and i'm excited for all these people to kind of go on this journey with us and get to know us on just like a deeper more intense level and it seems so silly saying I know it does it does because I've shared so much intense crap with cameras and hundreds of thousands of people but it's just different it intimate in, like, who we are, not at a surface level,

but just at this deeper level.

And all the work that's been put in to even get to this point.

Which is important.

Yeah, and I think people didn't really get to see any of that stuff.

I mean, yeah, they saw little clips here and there,

but it's like, no, there's a lot more going on behind closed doors.

There is, yes.

And that's like when people, like, notice us on the streets and stuff, and'll be like oh my gosh i just feel like i know you or sometimes they even say oh my gosh i just know you you know and it's like i get that you feel like you know me you know because on the surface level you know me but you don't know me to my core what my moral you probably can't tell me what my morals and my values are, what my ethics are, what my beliefs are.

Yeah.

Like, there's so much more to me than what's shown on TV.

And also, what you know is through the lens of somebody else.

Yeah.

And somebody else who thought this was important and that wasn't that important.

So, we're going to air this instead of that.

Yes, and then we're flipping the script, you know?

Yeah, and I think this gives us more just creative control of our own story.

Yeah, and I think it'll be fun, too, when episodes air for however much longer we're on TV.

I don't even know why we're still on TV. We're like old people now.
But, you know, now we can watch our show and we can talk about those things after the fact and dive deeper into what was going on in our lives at that time and all of the things yeah it just opens up transparency even more which i think is why we have kind of gained the following that we've had we've always been transparent yeah i mean remember season two i think a teen mom you were like i don't want to film anymore this is too intensive yeah of an issue and i remember us both thinking about it like well let's just let's just see where this goes like and i think that was the first time that me and you like made a conscious decision like we will not withhold our own story because we're afraid of what the public is gonna perceive us like you know and it's because after all that hard stuff aired and that was the hard stuff what when we were like going through a rough spot like breaking up yeah yeah yeah because i gave you like my engagement ring in that restaurant and stuff we were dramatic little kids no i'm just kidding but we were going through a rough spot wrote me the other day and was like dude why did you rip up all those phone records and throw them in the river like oh yeah right dude paper's biodegradable calm down i did not litter it's a part of earth you know no But I think because it's when we when we decided we were like, OK, we'll share it. I think seeing the aftermath after sharing all those hard things, you seeing the people that related or or was like, oh, my gosh, I didn't feel so alone or I've been through that.
And it was like, oh, wow, we're actually helping people when you share the hard stuff. And that's what's important to me is like just not feeling alone.

Yeah.

And also like,

I feel like that actually that that feedback has helped us in a way to kind

of keep pushing towards healing.

Yeah.

I'll always be authentic.

I will always be real.

I will never lie about things being filmed or talking about it.

And I,

that's the best way to live.

It is.

Cause I'm not one to like put my own skeletons in my closet.

Like the closet doors open, let them all fall out. I'm not one to, like, put my own skeletons in my closet.
Like, the closet door is open.

Let them all fall out. I'm not doing it.
Because, honestly, that creates this, like, disconnection with who you are. And I'm like, dude, I'm not doing that.
I think we both agreed early on that we're not going to do that. Like, we're going to just lay it all out there and not worry about what people are going to think.
And I think that's what people love about us. And I think that's why people relate to us a lot in different areas is because we are

really just authentic and upfront with who we are as people and our beliefs and what

hurts us and all every single, we're just open books on everything.

And I also feel like that's not shared among all the cast members.

Yeah.

I don't feel like it is.

I'm not going to name names, but there's a lot of cast members on our show that withhold information, refuse to cover certain subjects in their life, refuse to talk about hard things. Which I get because I've been there and it's scary.
But I also feel like if you're trying to come in here on a reality TV show to share your life and you don't want to share certain things, you probably shouldn't be in a reality TV show. And you should probably double think, you know-evaluate what you're uh what you're doing and what your purpose is because if your purpose is to go on reality tv and just come across as this perfect wonderful amazing you know thing and then dude that's fucking boring tv for one and for two that ain't real life you know what i mean like if you're only willing to show all the good stuff and not any of the bad stuff, then.
Yeah. Speaking of boring, you know what's funny to me is when I see people comment online and stuff and say that our scenes are boring to watch, part of me is like, thank God it got to a point where it's boring now.
Because my life has been fucking chaos and craziness. And I love that it's boring.
And I can predict day to day what I'm doing and what's happening. It's almost like our show.
So that's like a blessing to me. On our show, it's a compliment.
If we're boring, like, all right, dude. Great.
Because we only spent 15 years fucking going through the trenches literally behind the camera. So happy to be boring.
I'm glad you think I'm boring. Yeah, we're 32 and now we're boring.
Cool, dude. We made it.
Like, that's awesome. And we're in our parenting era.
Yeah, great. I'm glad you think I'm boring.
Which we're literally in the trenches of our parenting era. Oh, gosh.
Three years old, five years old, ten years old. And almost ten.
Like, we're in the middle of it. We're almost out of it.
We're almost there. So if we look tired, that's why.
Or why my kids look cute and my hair's on a ponytail and I have no makeup on. Well, because know dressing three kids doing three kids hair making meals cleaning my house yeah or if one of our kid looks like mogli just ignore it that's what's going on because she is mogli veda is our mogli yeah you know she's she just is but yeah that comment i think is funny like they're so boring and i'm like thank I'm so glad you, they're fine that I'm boring because we literally spent 15 years just like going through crazy shit.
Hell, I guess I feel like in a way it's like if people who are, if people who are listening who don't really know that much about us or whatever, like what, what would be your main thing? What would you be? Okay, here's who we are and where we're at right now.

Like, what would you say?

I think I would start off with, you know, that you and I met when we were in,

started dating really in seventh grade.

So that was middle school.

We met in music class.

Seven grade music class.

And I had a boyfriend at the time.

Carrie.

I know. I remember.
And you had this whole plan in your head that I did not know about. And let's just say I eventually broke up with Carrie, and you just grabbed my hand, and that's how you asked me out.
You didn't even ask me out. You just grabbed my hand, and I was like, this is it.
This is it. He loves me.
What do you think about? I was so petrified to even ask you out that I just didn't do it i was like i'm not gonna ask her out i'm literally gonna go grab her hand and if she rips her hand away i got my answer yeah and you just remember you i grabbed your hand and we're just like staring into the abyss not even at each other and then it worked because you didn't let go and i was like all right cool man she digs me all right and i never left you never left no so i think the best would be that we are middle school sweethearts who found themselves in an unplanned pregnancy at the age of 16 and uh decided that we're gonna place our daughter for adoption at that age because we are surrounded by toxicity and addiction and still still kids ourselves yeah and we thought you know that she could have a better life somewhere else and from there we have just continued to grow with one another and um love each other through all of our ugly stuff the good stuff the hard stuff the happy stuff and you know now it's like we have been together for 18 years almost and we have three beautiful girls that we're parenting and one that we see sometimes and now it's just it's just crazy to think about where we're at now when I was just a kid being like writing writing like I love tie on my bell-bottom jeans and you know eight seventh grade you know yeah and it's just it's been a while it's been a wild journey but I truly believe like I truly believe people some people don't believe in soulmates and stuff and I'm a very I'm a very big yeah I'm a very big believer that souls do search for certain souls on this planet and when you find that person um you just know yeah and I truly felt like that's what it was for me I think you knew before I did yeah and I was just like I'm I'm gonna be with him forever and I'm gonna have his kids and I'm gonna marry him one day and I know and even we broke up for like a good eight month period you know and then obviously reconnected after that and um I don't know call me hippie whatever but I just had this I just had this like spiritual feeling I I I see I think I felt the thing, but I felt it later on. Not as fast as you did.
But I do believe, and we've talked about this before, that I do believe that everyone on this earth has some kind of spiritual tribe that they go through life with and they're meant to go through life with in every single different life cycle and i feel like the whole point of each life cycle is to find who those soul tribe members are yeah who you're supposed to traverse this life through and i think it's interesting because you do feel it it's not something it's like you meet someone like oh we are best i don't even know who you are but i feel connected to you on a level i can't explain and it's like that's what eventually it was what happened with us and I feel like it was right off right off the bat like you obviously knew before I did but when I felt that I was like oh my all right this is it like this is no question I had no question in my mind which I feel like is important because people like will say stuff we got engaged and we were 17 braces. Yeah.
And I was in a prom dress. That's the only nice dress I owned.
No, didn't you have like a leather jacket on her? Like we didn't have a... Oh, who knows? Probably.
Or my mom's really furry, fuzzy jacket. Who knows? I can remember.
But like, yeah. Like you had the only dress.
I was like, dress fancy. I know.
And I'm like, huh? Dress fancy? I guess I'll wear my homecoming dress. I think it was homecoming.
It wasn't even wrong. Yeah, it was a homecoming dress.
And then we had to drive the Hooptie van that we had that you could only start with a screwdriver. Which is definitely illegal.
It has to be illegal. Is it illegal? I think so.
To start your car with a screwdriver? I think so. Yeah, I think it is.
Well, thank God we never got pulled over. Remember, though, it sawing out in the middle of stoplights? Yeah.
How scary would be? That happened to me and my friend Lynn. Yeah, no.
Horrible. Horrible.
But yeah, it's one of those things where it's like that's why I had to propose at 17. Even though everyone thought I was crazy.
Because I felt that soul thing. It was there.
I wanted to know that like I love you. I want to be with you for the rest of my life.
And that's it. Yeah.
And I thought like why not, you know. And I remember my mom just being pissed.
She was so pissed. She's like, you're an idiot.
What are you doing? Your mom actually got, your mom, I mean, in the beginning, like, when we were younger in our relationship, your mom actually got mad at me for a lot of things. Didn't she? Yeah.
Yeah. And we talk about it now and laugh about it.
But there was multiple times in our relationship where she was like, you're fucking crazy. Yeah.
Just like when I was forced to move out of my house at the age of, you know, I was about to turn 18. And my mom's looking at places and the landlords are telling my mom, like, well, if she's going to be 18, she has to be on the lease with you too.
And I was thinking in my head, like, fuck that. My mom, she don't even, sometimes don't even pay your rent, let alone we're getting evicted left and right.
I don't want that on my you know boy but he evicted five times this year like yeah and then when and then i'll never forget and i told you i said i'm moving out i can't do it can't be with my mom i'm getting my own place and you're like well i'm coming with you and i'll never forget going to your house and telling your mom that and she straight up was talking to you and then she looks at me and she goes you need to tell him no i was like i'm not telling him he has to you're you're his mother you tell him no like what how much she was so mad at me do you remember when we got our first apartment and we tried to get comcast oh and then we found out that your mom put comcast in your name and you were like blacklisted yeah and we didn't know because we owed like two remember they said oh yeah you owe two thousand dollars something like that in case remember you being like uh i've never had comcast and they're like oh you had it for like two years and you're like what i said i'm a fucking child bro i was able to get comcast in my name when i'm 15 16 years old it makes no sense like and then we found out that that's because you know obviously your mom used your name to to put it so that's you know that just goes to show you that i'm i was when all these landlords were like you need to be on lease i'm like absolutely not on my own and then i tell you that and then your mom's yelling at me you need to tell him no i'm like i didn't tell him yes he's just saying he's coming like what do you ever tell my mom i was like yo mom moving out with her i don't know what i don't know you can't stop you would have been there all the time anyways are you kidding your girlfriend's got her own apartment yeah and i had a car yeah and i don't think you had a car at that at that no i you were probably still driving me around. Yeah, because you didn't want to get your license.
I know. I had to say, hey, you got to get your license eventually.
Why? You can just drive me around everywhere. I know.
So crazy. All the crap that we've been there.
Remember me? Did you have to drive and park it in the parking lot? I think it was across the street from Holy Cross. Oh.
In that parking lot. And you were horrible at parking.
You know, I still am. What did I do today? You hit a curb today.
The curb hit me. Yeah, okay.
The curb hit me. And then when you hit the curb, it...
You kept turning the wheel towards the curb. I said, you can't get closer to the curb.
You hear the grinding of the metal? We're there. It's done.
I know, and then you turned it away, and I was like, oh, I didn't know you had to do that. Oh, my God.
And I've been driving for years. Yeah.
So it is funny. I think it's going to be funny to dive deeper into all of these little things.
Like just even stuff that we did and went through before cameras were even a part of our life. I think people forget that, too.
Like, you know, we lived a whole 15 years of our life before cameras were ever involved. Right.
It's a whole thing. And I think that'll be be fun like giving more backstory to who we are and what we went through and different you know hard stuff we went through as kids and growing up and just all of the all of them things all of the things as people can see i'm going to say it again because as we've been conversating we're all over the damn place are we yes it's adhd on crack okay basically that sums it up who knows one week we might be talking about marriage next week might be talking about traumas we went through before cameras were around or even good things or who the fuck knows we're just we're here for the ride i feel like what our main thing is is speaking about things that we're passionate about.
And not like we're, you know, doctors or psychologists or therapists even. It's literally just...
Or adoption experts or whatever. No, it's literally just like being, getting educated on ourselves about things, bringing people in who are educated on it, talking about things that we're passionate about and that make us feel good and make us feel like we're doing a difference in the the world really yeah and also like i think it's cool that we're gonna be able to dive into like how we parent like i know that they see our children on tv but you don't see the little talks that we have with our kids no only maybe i think they've only seen like three or four talks yeah like and you know that's a whole different like ball game because we that needs to be a whole episode yeah because we literally don't know we never seen parenting no the way we parent we had to like develop our own parenting cell from the ground up yeah so i had no example you had no example like so i remember when we first had nova it was scary like it felt scary to like okay now i gotta just figure this out like i didn't have a dad i don't know how to be a dad right i never had a dad i don't even know what that's like right you know what i mean like yeah so so talking about all of that stuff yeah i think it's important because uh it gives more context to like who we are as people yeah and honestly i want people to know that we're still a work in progress and i think we're always going to be a work in progress so i feel like yeah you just got to like, just hang on.
You're just going to take this ride with us, and it's going to be fun. And it's going to probably, you know.
If we fail, we fail. You know me.
I just have to have a. Yeah, well, failure is part of success.
Yes, sir. I'm just kidding.
I had to throw it like the perfect opportunity to just spit it out. And I honestly think we need to get our family members on here.
Oh, for sure. I definitely got to get my dad on here.
Your sister? Yeah, let's dive into some shit. I think it'd be cool to get.
I don't talk to any of my siblings. You can talk to your sister, Amber.
Okay you have a sister Amber. Yeah, that's the only one out of five.
But yeah, I think my grandma would be a good one too. Your grandma would be funny, dude.
Get your grandma on here. Yeah.
Get Deb on here. Yeah.
Deb is fucking funny. Aunt Dawn would be hilarious.
All you, these people don't even know who these people are. Well, they're about to.
Yes, they will. You just, I gotta stay tuned for that.
But yeah, so it it's gonna be very broad and i like that i don't want to be talking about the same thing every single week or be boxed into like just adoption yeah i just i just want it to be i want it to flow and i want it to be kind of like how mean you are when we're up in our bedroom for two hours i remember i remember my mom was like what do you guys do up there yeah the other day she said yeah she's. Yeah, she's like, what do you guys go up there? I thought you guys went to sleep.
I'm like, no, we sit there and talk for two hours. Yeah, or watch TV and then talk.
I also feel like we've been together for so long, so how the hell can we keep talking that much at the end of the day? Love is love. Except when I go on my little tangents.
So we just got to bear with me, people. I have a lot of little branches that I have to talk about.

If he starts going too hardcore, we're just going to have to get a light or something.

Or like a buzzer.

They're just like, meet me.

Yes.

Maybe after a couple episodes, listeners will be like, yeah, you know what, Tyler?

Your wife's right.

Get the damn red button.

You got to have a red button.

Shut up.

You're talking too much. Or a shut up button.
Where you press it and it's like, shut up. Shut up.
Yeah, you know what I mean? I need that shit. I need that shit so bad.
I'd be using that thing on the daily, not even just on the podcast for you and Nova. Be like, shut up.
She's a lot like me when it comes to that. She is.
Yes. Don't you love that though? I do.
I do love that about her. Yeah.
She's a pretty cool kid. All of our kids are great.
I think it'd be kind of fun even to get her on the podcast. Oh, she would be a blast.
Wouldn't she? Yes. Maybe give her her own segment.
It's going to be the Novas. Did you know? Novas, did you know? Yeah, you know? She always does it.
You do the same thing, but she does it too all the time. But it'd be fun to hear a kid's perspective.
Oh, it's so funny. Because she's always coming up to me with these facts.
I'm like, dude, Nova, where did you read this? And then I'll Google those facts, and she's always right. I know.
I know. And then it blows my mind.
Yeah. I know.
Because she'll actually come to me and be like, she'll tell me things that I didn't even know or that I'll debate. And she'll be like, I'm like, dang, you got me there.
You really got me. Yeah.
I can't explain that. You're explain that no and then i'll google him because i'm like there's no way in fucking hell that's real or that's true and then i google and i'm like oh shit she was right i know it's crazy she's a smart kid she is she's awesome she's really smart i freaking love her but honestly i feel like so i think going forward like i i have a couple people figured out and i think it's important for people to know going forward that you're going to bring on guests or people that you know for things that you find interesting.
I have a couple people lined up, neuroscientists. I was going to say because also you and I have a lot of the same interests, which is good.
Yeah. You know? Yeah.
So you have that neuroscientist who's also – I'm just trying to give just random examples of what people can expect. I have a neuroscientist who's an adoptee.
I have a psychedelic expert psychologist that I would like to bring on. That'd be awesome.
And just talk about different methods. I think we've gone through enough therapy ourselves where I think people need to know these other alternative methods like you know and i think even the

therapy world alone is growing and evolving and changing and i think that's something that i want to use this platform to get out there absolutely and just show people that this is what is available to you now and um i would love to have dr mike dow come on yeah and talk about just like you know trauma and the way that it shapes you and your brain and even that neuroscientist would be good for that yeah um also just like different people maybe even some people that you know like we have some ideas in our head of people that aren't even known but we can have really great conversations with these people and bring awareness to a lot of different situations um so yeah there might even be people in here that you've never heard of but now you go and look them up and you're like oh whoa yeah i think we've had enough life experience to where we can attack a lot of different we can just attack a lot of different subjects a lot of different things yeah that i think people will find that kind of sad because we're still young but we have been through so much we're young yes baby 30 yes is 32 young we're definitely young to have as much like life experience as we've had and that the all of the crap we've been through we've been through a lot well i'm 32 but i feel 55 or whatever like mentally you mean yeah yeah it's like mentally like wiseness you mean yeah yeah i mean i have mean I have 32 but I feel like we lived like a life with a 50 year old or something. That's what I mean because we've been through so many things in our lives that you do.
You feel or maybe we were just born with old souls. Yeah.
Maybe. I don't know.
Because I swear that's like Nova's got an old soul. She does.
Yeah. She's pretty wise for her age.
That's why it was funny when we were talking to Kale. And I was like, yeah, it's the whole Stardust thing.
And she was like, no way. And she Googled it.
I'm like, see, dude, I told you. It was right.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
You wouldn't think that. People look at us like we're crazy.
Maybe we can get Neil deGrasse Tyson on here. That'd be so dope.
You would love that. I would be, dude.
Now, you talk about fangirling. I'd be like, oh, my God.
I'd be tripping out. That'd be so dope.
I mean, you could always reach out to him. Yeah, I got, I also reached out to Dan McClellan, which is, he's a scholar of the Bible and all religions.
And I want to get him to talk on here. Yeah.
I want to make this platform multi, like, I just want, I want different, different,

I don't want it to be boxed in by anything.

Not at all.

I don't want to be restricted.

Because I think it's boring.

Yeah.

I don't want to be restricted by beliefs.

I want it to be.

I want to be able to just hop on one day and be like, dude, those kids drive me fucking

insane today.

You want to know why?

And then tell you the story.

You know what I mean?

I want to be all over it.

Yeah.

I mean, it's what we're, you know, it's what we're doing it for.

So it's been a long time coming. It has.
But I feel. And it's just going to feel good to just talk.
Yeah. And you talk a lot.
So I don't think he's going to have any issue with that. You don't think I'm going to have an issue with talking? No, not at all.
Well, you know, okay, well, hey. In the relationship, I'm definitely more of the introverted, keep to myself type person.
Yeah, but I wish I had more of your, like, you're so, like, chill and, like, you observe and you're like, hmm.

It's the traumatized Pisces in me, I guess I should say.

You're just fluid.

You're just, like, chill and, like, I don't know.

People ask you a question, you're like, yeah, yeah, and I'm just like.

Oh, yeah, you get all.

Like, I feel almost like I'm hyper-wired and you're just, like, chill.

I'm definitely more go with the flow. Yeah wired and you're just like chill I'm definitely more

go with the flow

yeah and you're more

see I wish I had more of that

all over the place

I respect your ability

to like just

be

where I'm always like

all over the damn

fucking place

and I respect your ability

to you know

see and ask

and uh

cause I'm just not like that

even though you get tired of it

don't you

don't it get annoying

after a while

I wouldn't say it's annoying

I just feel like

when you've got

how is that possible

I don't you don't i get annoying after a while i wouldn't say it's annoying i just feel like when how is that possible i annoy my fucking self in my head so how the hell do you not get annoyed because i'm not like that maybe but it doesn't annoy me now when you go on like rants about science stuff and don't hate on science man i'm not i'm not but i can only listen for so long and then after a while i'm like interested to a point and then you just clock out don't you sometimes yeah you do that's why i say blue monkey oh god you knew this blue monkey shit i'm telling you man i want everyone to try it my word for you it's gonna be like green pig um i listen very i will always pick up on your green pig shit yes i will will you say green test me i will all right good do it i always listen with intent it's important the fuck yeah start that trend i know i thought about doing it to you. You should have did it.
TikTok. I know.
We're going to get into that. You always say I suck at acting.
You're pretty bad. When you act like something bad, like, oh my god.
I'm like, dude, no. Nothing's going on.
Because what you do is you go, oh, your face gets more animated than ever in real life. I'm like, dude, that's no.
It's probably, I can't, I won't be able to like trick you with any trends or anything because you just know me too well. You just gotta be really good, get better at acting.
Because you do suck at it. I don't know.
I don't even know how that's possible. Well, we'll figure it out.
Yeah, we will. We're gonna get on tiktok trend too cause I'm a new tiktoker

it's kinda fun we made some the other day

we did the little leg thing

oh fuck that one

the whole dance over the stars

yeah fuck that one

your leg literally collapsed like an accordion

you were giving me Indian burn

I had to grab hold of your ankle

well it fucking hurt

well I had to get a hold of that motherfucker

and yank it

you and Macy did great I'd watch that 10 times before I ever do it again

Thank you. I had to grab hold of your ankle.
Well, it fucking hurt. Well, I had to get a hold of that motherfucker and yank it.
You and Macy did great. I'd watch that 10 times before I ever do it again.
I know. I didn't get to see me and Macy do it.
It looked smooth. It felt smooth.
Yeah, it looked smooth. Yeah.
All right, cool. I mean, not as great as Dancing with the Stars.
No, they showed me the original video of this whole dance, and she was like arching her back. Oh, yeah.
She was like a fucking rising ballerina from the dead or something. I'm like, what the fuck? She's probably fit as fuck, obviously.
She's a dancer. That takes some core.
Yeah, she's a dancer. I ain't got none of that.
No, you're – So – First off, when I'm looking down at you, your tits are pretty much suffocating you. They are.
I'm like, all right, we're going to pull your ass up and your leg just collapses. I can't even see.
My tits are in my eyes. Have you – I mean, reduction, you ever thought about it? I know you talked about it.
I've definitely thought about it a lot. Yeah, I'm just a sissy bitch.
About what? About getting cut open? Yeah. Yeah, well.
Yeah, and the pain afterwards. Listen, you birthed four kids.
Yeah, but it's weird. How come anytime I've ever had surgery, I always end up fucking having anxiety after? I don't know.
Weird thing. But I feel like after four kids, ripping through your vagina walls, yeah.
I think you could fucking get your tits cut off. I mean, there is like a cheer mom at my cheer place and she got a reduction.
She did? Yeah. Okay.
She said it was the best thing she's ever done and she said recovery wasn't that bad, but I'm still scared. And also they move your n what happens if my whoa whoa whoa whoa and falls off what do you whoa whoa what do you mean they move your nipples like sometimes they will like cut your nipples off like replace them what the fuck are you talking about and then if that dies then you're gonna have you a nipple-less nipple-less a nipple-less titty like no dude okay i did not i don't understand when people get what does that call mastectomies is that what that's called yeah like my trans friend you know yeah he got a he got his boobs chopped off and they took the nipples off of his breasts and sewed them back onto his chest.

In a different spot than originally?

Well, not like where your nipples would be.

Well, because no, you cut boobs off.

So now it's flat.

You have to sew the nipple back onto the chest.

And he even said that sometimes it's like a skin graft almost.

So if the skin decides to not take, your nipples are going to fall off or die. The skin would die.
So I'm like, what if they have to move my nipples? And then I just end up like a nipple-less titty girl. You know? Listen, I will still love you if you're a nipple-less titty girl.
I would cry. I don't think that's going to happen.
I really don't. What are the odds of the nipple getting cut off? Come on, I'm dying.
I don't know. I could be just talking to my ass.
I think you are. Anyone who's had a reduction, can you please confirm or deny if this is like a thing? Reach out to me on Instagram.
Nipple-less city girl. Yeah, I'm about to.
I need to look it up because I swear. I think you're thinking of a different surgery or something, to be honest.

I don't know.

All I know is I just, I mean, nipples are weird.

Because how do you know where to place it?

Because everyone's perceptions are different.

This doctor, I think it looks better over here.

And then this girl's like, no, I think it looks better over there.

Like, what the fuck?

How do you determine where the fuck the nipple goes?

Yeah, right.

Do you want to have to be up?

Like, let me stand up.

Yeah, right.

Are you going to have, like, one nipple up here?

Because you're laying down so you're going to stand up. It's like lay down so i stand up and you got googly eyes looking at you i mismatched nipples oh my god do you remove also i really would like to bring um i really would like to bring nolan on here yeah bring nolan on here um and that is my friend because he's in the middle of transitioning and i think it'd be kind of cool yeah and towards he's towards the end of his transition so i think it would be interesting oh really i mean yeah he got top surgery done and that was as far as he wanted to go with it but let me ask you a question is it like a do you know if like has nolan told you at all about that kind of stuff or as in what do you mean like i don't know if he's mentioned like when how do you know when there's an end to a transition it's as far as they want to go oh okay all right some you know some people are like i want to go fully for it and do bottom surgery and all okay and other people are like no i'm okay with that yeah and by the way who don't know nolan is a close friend of kate's who yeah he's trans and he's you know he has a partner and they have a baby and yeah yeah pretty interesting story it is very interesting and it's crazy because these people walk around us on the daily and i never would have known that nolan was trans unless he told me wow you know what i mean like i and he's a great person yeah a great person so no nipples are not usually removed during breast reduction surgery okay i told you man so is that a lift or something i don't know i'm just afraid of my nipples falling off your nipples ain't gonna fall off what if you can't feel your nipples anymore do you care you don't let me touch them anyway you get all like shut up Don't tell people.
Which I think is bullshit. Let me just fuck around a little bit.
You're like, no, it's too much. No, I don't like it.
Lame. So see, your nipples are safe.
You will never be a nipple-less titty bitch. Oh, I guess like some people will, well, it's what Google says, but sometimes you can like resize your nipples like say if you're like a person that has really big come on you've seen a big ass salami nipple before yeah i mean so google is saying sometimes no shades and no salami nipples i just you know ain't my thing your face was definitely shade bro but i'm just saying i would I'm just saying if I didn't like how big my nipples were, I guess I would like to resize them if I'm getting a reduction.
Don't resize your nipples. I think they're normal and fine.
Don't be fucking crazy, okay? I wouldn't do that for myself. I'm just saying.
It was interesting to me because Google said that they can reduce the size of your nipple to restore a more round and normal- shape while you're getting a reduction i mean i know dudes have like gyno and stuff like that oh like i don't know anyway whatever we're getting what the fuck see what i'm saying adhd crack we're talking about nipples now i know i know see because we can't talk about a certain topic together and then not dive in deep into it well now you're googling nipple city bitches so yeah i was not googling nipply titty bitches i was looking it up as if do they move your nipples when you get a reduction and i got the answer of no i thought that they would have to do that because these bitches are like orangutan tits i mean they are they're like in my armpit if i don't have a weapon in themselves oh i've slapped you with them before so you know it's actually dense the shit we're gonna talk about oh anyway but listen okay so stay tuned for part two of big titty bitches no i'm just kidding and we'll see you you know by the end of this journey if kate gets a reduction or not just kidding i don't know it might happen one day maybe my back hurts yeah it's a daily struggle it is i think that's actually a good thing to talk about too so i'm excited for it i think we're gonna have fun it's gonna be funny i'm sure there's gonna be tears there's gonna be laughs don't make me cry please don't make me cry i can't talk i know but i'm just saying i can see it there's gonna be tears there's gonna be laughter there's gonna be funny things probably things that are gonna be said that people don't agree with and we're used to that controversy sells so but i'm looking forward to this journey with you and i think it's gonna be fun and i think we're gonna learn a lot through it um and i think other people can learn a lot of different things too yeah just just stay on the ride with us and have fun so you can find kate and ty break it down and wherever you find your podcast apple spotify uh instagram kate and ty break it down instagram and tiktok and all that good stuff yeah we're on every social media platform and it's kate and ty break it down and I look forward to chatting with people on those web

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Love you. Beach.
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