Finding Your Spiritual Energy feat. Linda Spellman

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Speaker 5 Hi, guys, and welcome to another episode of Kate and Ty Break It Down.

Speaker 5 Today, we have a very special guest. She is actually one of my friends.
I would like to introduce my friend Linda.

Speaker 2 Hello, hello.

Speaker 7 Hi.

Speaker 7 It's so good to see you.

Speaker 5 I know. It's so good to see you too.
It's been years. I know.

Speaker 7 Way too long. But then again, it doesn't feel like it's been five minutes.
I know.

Speaker 5 It's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's like no time is best.

Speaker 5 I think, yeah, I think we were talking about it earlier. And I think the last time we saw each other, Nova, was about like two years old.
Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah, when we went to that restaurant.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 In L.A. And you're not even living in California anymore.

Speaker 7 You're out of there. North Carolina.

Speaker 5 And you're loving it there?

Speaker 7 You know, it's beautiful. Yeah.
Beautiful. And it's affordable.

Speaker 2 Right, true. California's crazy.

Speaker 7 I mean, I love California. Yeah.
And I'll probably live there again at some point. I've moved there like five times in my life.
So have you really? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 I'm a slow learner.

Speaker 2 I'm a slow learner i love it you're a drifter exactly yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly a little history though there's a little history here how did the friends happen how did it all happen well me and you we actually met

Speaker 2 years ago gosh that was

Speaker 2 over 10

Speaker 2 years ago long long time ago yeah

Speaker 5 so actually me and linda met the very first time that i ever went into an inpatient treatment facility

Speaker 5 and i met Linda there too. And she was the one who created the butthutt babes.
Yes.

Speaker 5 And I'll never forget this because we would all gather around the smoking section because all of us girls would be there and just like talking with everybody.

Speaker 5 And she had this thing that whenever you leave, you have to say, I'm fucking awesome and I'm fucking strong. And it just stuck.
And everyone.

Speaker 7 And your mom made t-shirts.

Speaker 5 Yep. My mom made everybody t-shirts.
And it was just like a way of spreading positivity to ourselves and positive self-talk.

Speaker 5 And so

Speaker 5 I feel like there was just a few of us girls that got super close while we were there.

Speaker 5 You know, of course, you're you're either whether you're there for addiction or mental health or trauma or whatever, like you could just relate with a lot of these women there.

Speaker 5 And some of us just got super close and stayed close for many, many years.

Speaker 5 And you're wondering.

Speaker 2 Well, remember you calling me, say, I met Linda, she's so cool. You want kids?

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, cool.

Speaker 2 And it's so funny.

Speaker 7 I had no idea who you were. And and I love I didn't know you were famous I just thought you were awesome and I was like I think you gave the best hugs

Speaker 2 Eric

Speaker 7 right yeah because it's just so real and genuine it's like you just mean it

Speaker 7 and

Speaker 7 yeah I think it was the last day that you were there that somebody has told me that you were on TV I'm like oh really

Speaker 2 Well, now I know. I just have known her now, you know?

Speaker 7 Exactly. Exactly.
But I just, we just hit it off and it was so natural.

Speaker 7 And I feel like, too, with everybody there, even if you're there for different things, like the people that were there for addiction, I think addiction is a symptom, right?

Speaker 7 So so many of it, it comes from trauma. It comes from other things.
So I think we all kind of related on that trauma level. Absolutely.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I feel like you share a relationship with people in that setting that you don't with anybody else, right? Because you're talking about it all the time, but you're also being really vulnerable.

Speaker 2 You really are.

Speaker 5 And I feel like nobody can understand. those type of relationships that you build in those types of environments unless you've been a part of it.
No, exactly.

Speaker 5 It's like, you know, there's some people that I've met in those facilities that I will remember for the rest of my life. Absolutely.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And it's because of just you are all going through such hard things and trying to get better from it. We don't want to be like this.

Speaker 5 So we're just like talking and talking and talking and sharing things that I wouldn't, some probably some of my closest friends at home don't even know.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? So it's like you just build these different relationships with people.

Speaker 2 In a deeper, I think, like you said, a deeper way than you ever would normally, because you're almost in the situation of like, I have to spill all my guts out here in front of all these people.

Speaker 2 And it creates a natural, deeper connection. Exactly.
You know, it's inevitable.

Speaker 5 Exactly. Yeah.
And it's, and some, and like some of us, like, we wouldn't even have like group therapy together or our, you know, just certain therapies together.

Speaker 5 But it was just like the stuff that was spoken about in the butthut.

Speaker 7 Yep.

Speaker 5 You know, like it was just, we were just all there just listening and being supportive and talking to each other.

Speaker 5 And, you know, we'd have our one friend who would just bring her guitar and come out there and and sing to us. Exactly.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, it was just, yeah, we just, you build bonds that you are like, wow, I will remember this person forever.

Speaker 7 Yeah, absolutely. You know, and then, yeah, we just always kept in touch.
Yeah. Just texting back and forth, just checking in.

Speaker 2 Just checking in, you know.

Speaker 7 Having more kids? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 5 And I think it's funny because when you are super vulnerable with people and you build those relationships, like you said, like I can, there's certain people in my life that I can't talk to or maybe don't talk to for a while because life gets crazy.

Speaker 5 But then when you do meet up with one another, it's just like you're back to where it was. Like it doesn't even matter.

Speaker 7 Exactly. You know? Exactly.
And there's the trust, right? Because, I mean, you have to be able to trust people in that setting or you can't really heal and you can't really share.

Speaker 7 And so there's a level of trust that is hard to build.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And we're very big on, you know, confidentiality when you're in those environments too.
And that helps a ton.

Speaker 5 And I feel like we take that even out of when you leave those places with those people. Exactly.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, and that's special.

Speaker 7 It is. Yeah.
It's awesome. It is.
It is. And so are you.

Speaker 2 So are you.

Speaker 2 fucking awesome and fucking strong yeah yes we're fucking awesome and fucking strong that's right um but also i don't think a lot of people know about you

Speaker 5 that you are a psychic medium i am yes

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 i think one of my questions for you was did you do you think working on your trauma and all of the things that happened to you in your life, do you think that's what made you aware of this gift?

Speaker 7 Absolutely. I mean, I feel like I've always had certain psychic moments, I guess, in my life.
I think everybody does to a certain extent.

Speaker 7 But I kind of theorized that it was not just the trauma, but the healing, the being still to heal from trauma that allowed me to pick up on the messages that I think everybody gets, right?

Speaker 7 You know, I actually wrote a book afterwards with, well, you wrote the foreword, so you know.

Speaker 7 But I interviewed 50 other people who after traumatic experiences developed spiritual gifts because I wanted to know like, okay, am I a freak?

Speaker 7 Is this happening to more people?

Speaker 7 But it happens. And I think it's a big part of when you are going through that kind of trauma, I think we kind of reach out, like help.

Speaker 7 We can't find the help we need here. You go external.
And so we go external, right, to wherever. Yeah.
I personally am a Christian. I believe in God, but whatever your personal belief system is.

Speaker 7 I don't judge.

Speaker 7 But we're reaching out to something, right? And I feel like that's almost like the opening, the hand out. And then when we're still enough to slow the thoughts, to stop.

Speaker 7 I escaped my trauma for decades until I was assaulted again, and then it all kind of came back. But escaping is, we're taught very well how to escape in this world.
Just keep yourself busy.

Speaker 7 You know, just do this. Oh, you're so strong because you're not crying.
Well, I'm not sure if that's strong or if that's unhealthy. Right, right.
You know, whatever.

Speaker 7 It's the messages that we're given. So being still and actually healing is a big thing.
And I feel like that being still is when we can hear the callback.

Speaker 2 So almost like people aren't spending enough time being still. Yes.
They're not spending enough time. Just humans were not.
Exactly.

Speaker 7 I agree with that. Exactly.
And I feel like being still brings you so many opportunities because that's when you start asking questions that you don't ask. Am I really happy?

Speaker 7 Do I actually really like what I'm doing? Is this what I want to do in my life? We often, I think, we're funneled into this success road, right? Just do more, do more, do more.

Speaker 7 And we get, you know, decades sometimes down that road and we realize, how did I even get on this path?

Speaker 7 Because sometimes it's not intentional. It's just the way your life turns out.
And I think it's important. That doesn't mean you're going to necessarily drift away from that path.

Speaker 7 But I think it's important to find out, is that where you want to be? Or do you want to maybe change some things?

Speaker 2 Or maybe you realize things on the path that you agreed with maybe before. Now you're like, oh, this doesn't feel good to me anymore.

Speaker 7 Exactly, exactly. Because hopefully we're evolving as human beings.
So it was just very interesting. And I was not, I

Speaker 7 designed databases for a living. I worked in corporate America for 20 something years.
So I was not woo-woo girl.

Speaker 2 Right. Right.

Speaker 5 So after you're, so like after your last assault and you went, you know, to the inpatient treatment center and was able to be still for a while and kind of focus on yourself and heal.

Speaker 5 So after you left, is that when your abilities hit you full force?

Speaker 7 Full force, it it was after I left because I started really investigating them. I first saw

Speaker 7 a spirit when I was there. Oh.
And I was really surprised. Thankfully, there were some people that work there that are kind of spiritually aware.

Speaker 7 So I was like, so I saw this thing,

Speaker 7 this kid sitting next to me, and he looked more like a teenager than an adult. And I said, has anybody passed away that was a teenager or, you know, young person? And he said, yes.

Speaker 7 And I was like, like okay and they have there

Speaker 7 too and um yeah they did and in fact when i was writing my book it hadn't occurred to me again i'm a slow learner that um there's got to be a picture somewhere of this kid right because i saw him

Speaker 7 so then i started researching and looking at you know people who died at that particular facility and it was like a slow-mo movie moment right because it was the article then i could see this at the top of the head so as i'm arrowing down and this this picture of him is rolling up i was like holy crap, that's him.

Speaker 2 Wow. Did that freak you out? Because then it kind of confirmed like what.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and it was kind of part freak out. It was part validation.
It was part going,

Speaker 7 I don't know how this happened to me and I'm not really worthy of it, but I'm going to do the best I can with it.

Speaker 5 Well, and it's probably confusing and scary too because you're like, like you said, am I crazy? Am I really seeing what I'm seeing or hearing what I'm hearing? Like all of the things. Exactly.

Speaker 5 And then for it to hit you,

Speaker 5 even super strong while you're in this place working on yourself. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 For mental health. Right.
It's really good to start seeing things.

Speaker 2 Oh, right. Facility for mental health.
It's like, okay. Do I say this out loud?

Speaker 7 This probably would have been better than here.

Speaker 2 Wow. But what did you experience like before this happened? Like, did you like what?

Speaker 7 You mean like my psychic moments?

Speaker 2 Yeah, when like growing up or

Speaker 7 you know, I just kind of sometimes I knew things. Like I remember,

Speaker 7 gosh, I think I was 17. I was in college.
And I was talking to a friend of mine and I told him that I had, you know, some psychic gifts. And he's like, bullshit.

Speaker 7 you know the usual reaction and I said no I do and he goes okay well tell me what my middle name is and I had just met him when I went down to Texas to go to college so I didn't know and I said well it's not really the way it works you know you don't like go out and say here give me this right you open yourself up and they give you what they feel like

Speaker 7 he's like nope either come up my middle name or I'm not going to believe you and so I said well I'm going to dinner with a friend of mine I'll come back So over dinner, thought about it, came back and I said, it's either Keith or you don't have one.

Speaker 7 And he goes, nope, you got to pick one. I said, okay, Keith.
He goes, holy shit. I'm like, no way.
Give me your license.

Speaker 2 Seriously, he pulled out his license.

Speaker 7 No, no, it's Keith.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 5 So it tripped your face. I did.

Speaker 7 I did. You know what? And I think the moment it stops surprising me, I need to stop doing it.

Speaker 7 Because I feel like the unexpected and the...

Speaker 7 I feel like it would be too entitling to not be surprised when things come up.

Speaker 7 Because I don't believe this is me. I know I'm getting help from the other side.

Speaker 7 But yeah, it's those moments where you're like, holy crap, I had no idea. Because

Speaker 7 I have an MBA. Like my life was going in a completely different direction until I couldn't work anymore because of PTSD.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and then the other, you know, the higher, the other realms were like, here, we're going to drop this into your own.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Exactly.

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Speaker 5 Well, actually, first of all, I want to go back to the young boy that you saw. Did he say anything to you or did he just like show himself?

Speaker 7 He just showed himself and he had this,

Speaker 7 he was a light, but he had this kind of

Speaker 7 just really nice energy to him. I felt like he was like a companion.

Speaker 7 Like he would walk next to me sometimes and just kind of be like, yeah, I'm here. Oh, interesting.
Like, yeah, very lighthearted.

Speaker 7 And so I feel like it was part of like my introduction

Speaker 7 into that place.

Speaker 7 Wow.

Speaker 2 Well, it's crazy because it happened in that space. So it's like you're in this space and then this, this, you know, this spirit's like, hey, like, you need to.
I'm going to show you like here. Like

Speaker 2 this place, you came for one thing, but we're going to open up the floodgates for the different path that you, you know, probably should explore, which is crazy because

Speaker 2 what a guardian angel in a way, or a kind of a guide

Speaker 2 for you to get to this point.

Speaker 7 I think both of those because I've always tried to help people. Obviously, I've

Speaker 7 been more or less successful depending on the day, but because I've got my own flaws. But I kind of knew when I left there that I wanted to help people heal.
It's one of the reasons I wrote my book.

Speaker 7 It's one of the reasons that

Speaker 7 I really kind of changed what I was doing. And I do believe that that was my introduction to be able to use this to help people.

Speaker 5 And I think it's funny.

Speaker 2 Like you said, you're like, what a place to start seeing things and seeing people while you're there for mental health. How long am I keeping this in my head and say it out loud?

Speaker 2 Cause I don't know what's going to happen if I say it out loud. I know.

Speaker 7 I was worried about it. I'm like, oh, maybe you should just keep this to yourself.

Speaker 5 Or you're just seeing shit.

Speaker 2 But like you said, though,

Speaker 2 you're glad that there are people that were a little bit awoken, a little bit, you know, a little bit enlightened.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Aware and not afraid.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, I think because there's a lot of people who, and we were talking about this a little bit earlier, they're afraid of it because they don't understand it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And they don't know where it comes from.

Speaker 7 And they, you know, they don't know, like, I'm a Christian. It doesn't mean anything because there's a lot of Christians out there who are not Christian-like, but

Speaker 7 I try to do good with it. Yeah.
Right. And

Speaker 7 I couldn't know the things that I know without help.

Speaker 2 Well, it's one of those things where I think it's naturally human beings where we always fear what we don't understand. Like we're, well, I mean, we always fear what we don't understand.

Speaker 2 It's just inevitable. But instead of closing it off or becoming hardened to it, just okay, well, let's understand more.
Right. Let's explore more.

Speaker 2 And I think it comes down to, I think it's interesting because

Speaker 2 a lot of

Speaker 2 people who practice a certain religion or, you know, I mean, they look at this as like, you know, heresy or it's witchcraft.

Speaker 2 They absolutely. I mean, they really, you know, so to stand so firm and say, I'm a Christian and I'm also a psychic.
I mean, that's a big, that's a big thing to stand on.

Speaker 5 And you know what's funny is too is like I listen to Teresa Caputo's podcast a lot. And she is a faithful Catholic.
Like, you know what I mean? And she says it a lot all the time.

Speaker 5 She's like, I, she goes, and even in their religion, they think that. And she's like, but I'm telling you right now, she's like, I got this gift from

Speaker 7 God. That's exactly right.
Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Like, it's a gift that people are given. And like, she does the same thing.
She's like, I just do it to

Speaker 5 help people. Exactly.
You know, help healing, whatever it may be. Or maybe they just need to hear a certain message or whatever.

Speaker 7 And there's a lot of things that come through that, that it helps heal me but when i watch people get so emotional i mean i've had abusive parents come through to apologize for the first time wow and you know it's like how would i know that right you know this person's father was abusive and the first thing they come through with i'm sorry

Speaker 7 You know, and people cry. I always tell people I make people cry for a living, but it's it's a good cry because it's a release.
And there's often things that they never heard that they needed to.

Speaker 5 Yeah, just to heal and move on.

Speaker 5 And also, I feel like, like, I'm totally a believer. Like, I've never really been a skeptic.
I feel like myself, I've had

Speaker 5 certain intuitive things happen in my life that I'm like,

Speaker 5 I'm just a believer. I've had dreams that have happened.
I've known things that have happened.

Speaker 5 I've seen things with my own eyes and then have had validation through psychic mediums that I'm not crazy, that I was seeing what I was seeing and all the things.

Speaker 5 Tyler, on the other hand, he's more of like a, I would say you're, I say you believe, but you're skeptic.

Speaker 2 I'm a really

Speaker 2 skeptic. I'm a very spiritual person, so I

Speaker 2 don't like to categorize anything into a box. I more or less like to think of it as I think we all operate with frequencies.
And I think that, and I think some people just have this ability to tap in.

Speaker 2 You guys have figured it out. I don't know what it, you know, I think the monks figured it out.
I think people, there's people who spent enough time being still and absorbing and

Speaker 2 connecting to the frequencies around us that are always happening that they are able to get into that space. And I'm envious.
I wish, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I'm too, there's no way I could ever do it because I'm too critical thinking.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't say a skeptic, but just more critical thinking of like, I don't, you have ability to sit still that I probably would never be able to have. I work on it, but it's still a thing that.

Speaker 7 And I think a healthy skepticism is good. Yeah.
Honestly, because there are people out there who claim to be able to do things who aren't

Speaker 2 good stuff. And I see it.

Speaker 7 I don't like seeing people get taken advantage of exactly I don't like seeing people getting their money take you know just that so when it comes when it comes to me being like a critical thinker skeptic whatever it's more that part of it yeah which I you know I think that's healthy yeah I think if you go into it without any sort of guardrails or skepticism you can be taken advantage of yeah and unfortunately there are people who you know what I think it's horrific because most people are coming to you because they've lost someone, right?

Speaker 7 Yeah. And that's the worst.
I mean, I know I lost my granddaughter recently, and it's the worst thing that can happen to a person.

Speaker 7 And to take advantage of someone in that state of their life is just, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 Yeah, naturalizing.

Speaker 2 How dare you?

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's not right.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then you're using your quote-unquote gift for not good. Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Which that's what if you even have that gift, right? You just don't need like a lot of people.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and there are people out there that will, you know, say that you need a cleansing because you have an attachment.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 when it's not true,

Speaker 7 it gets people afraid.

Speaker 2 Well, if you say cleansing, what does that mean?

Speaker 7 So I do spiritual energy cleansing as well. I do a lot of

Speaker 5 She's done Reiki on me from where she lives when I'm near.

Speaker 2 I'm doing Reiki.

Speaker 7 And it's the spiritual energy cleansing can be done on people who are on homes.

Speaker 7 I've done it for homes for realtors who are trying to get the home to sell and it's not moving, even if it's priced right. Because you know this, right? Because I know that you both are intuitive.

Speaker 7 When you walk into a place, you can feel that the energy is heavy. Yes.

Speaker 7 So if you're looking for a home, you want to feel like it's a clean slate because you want to be able to see you and your family in it.

Speaker 7 You don't want the energy of the workman who was going through a divorce that came in to paint or the people that live there who were going through trauma and that's why they sold the house.

Speaker 7 Energy stays with the place. And when you have a certain amount of empathy, you can pick that up.

Speaker 7 So I do remote cleansings. And I mean, the farthest one I've done is Australia

Speaker 2 to clear.

Speaker 7 the energy to give it a clean slate so that they can be sold but when you're doing that with people people especially natural healers or empaths, you end up collecting energy.

Speaker 7 The total of your experiences kind of can weigh heavy over time, right? If you don't have a natural way of releasing it. Right.
So the cleansing is when I'm releasing that.

Speaker 7 Sometimes you do get attachments. Right.
And you have to cleanse those and get rid of those. I've done those too.
More likely it's the former than the latter.

Speaker 7 I have had clients who came to me. It's like, I saw this psychic medium and they told me that I have an attachment and they said I needed to pay them $5,000 to clear it.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'm not sure. And I'm like, no, no.

Speaker 7 Okay, first of all, if you did, I would tell you because I would be able to pick it up and you don't.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And you mean it's like soul attaching, like attachments.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like negative energies, evil energies attaching.

Speaker 2 Well, what you said is about like the painter coming in. He has trauma.

Speaker 2 So when you say energy

Speaker 2 gets left behind or stay, I mean, when you say energy, I say,

Speaker 2 that's a frequency.

Speaker 2 That's a vibration. It's something which is.
Yeah, which I I think is funny because we can have different beliefs, but I think we're on the same field. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I think it's interesting that when people are like kind of like skeptic realistic that argue against it, it's like, well, I don't think you've even tried to tap into any of the frequencies around you.

Speaker 2 So you're immediately like, you're wrong. This is wish crap.
This is heresy, whatever. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So, but I always, what do you think the reason people are so negative about it?

Speaker 7 Fear. Which is.
I think people fear. I read this survey, and I can't remember the exact number, so just bear with me because I'm making them up for example, right?

Speaker 7 But I remember it was like something like 80% of people believed that a house could be haunted, but 40% believed in ghosts. No.
So who's haunting the houses?

Speaker 7 That's strange. So it's like people don't even reconcile their own beliefs together because it's just one of those subject matters that's been put out there as being evil and demonic.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I don't want anything to do with the devil. Like, no, thank you.
But when you're told that, that's something to be scared of.

Speaker 2 Which is how unfortunate. It's almost like, it's almost like how unfortunate because how many people are we misleading where they could have had this gift?

Speaker 2 They could have helped a lot of people and you're scaring them out of it. It's been around.

Speaker 5 I truly believe it's been around since man's forever. Oh, yeah, I agree.
There's been just certain people that can tap in and that have these gifts.

Speaker 5 And to go back to about like what you were saying about the houses and like when you get them and just the energies and stuff, like, for instance, that's exactly like, I feel like I had intuitive things when i was younger but when we moved into our very first house we ever bought it was super like you would go in this basement and it was just not a good feeling and i remember when i walked into the house when we were looking at it i loved the house it was a great price like you can't pass this up and remember the first words out of my mouth was has anybody died here

Speaker 5 And she was like, no, no, no, nobody's died here, you know, or whatever. And I'm like, oh, okay, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 First thing I said was, she's lying because it was built in 1889. So Gary, did he get somebody?

Speaker 5 somebody right probably right right and i'm just like oh okay you know whatever and then we're getting closer to closing and doing all our inspections and everything

Speaker 5 and the realtor comes up to me and she's like actually i have to tell you something and i'm like what

Speaker 5 yeah and she's like so there was a young man here that committed suicide in the basement

Speaker 5 and i was like

Speaker 5 Just I got all these instant feelings and just like and it was like every time we were in this house I and I would go in the basement to do laundry and stuff. I would just, this intense just

Speaker 5 feeling in my stomach. And I remember there was just this, like, there was just this urge in me to find his mom.
I don't know where it came from. I don't know.

Speaker 5 It was just like, I need to find his mom.

Speaker 2 We spent a lot of time researching too, figuring it out.

Speaker 5 I knew he lived with his dad and his stepmom. And I was like, I just had this urge to find his mom.

Speaker 5 And there would be moments where I would be like laying on the couch and I would see shadows going, like going into the base, down the basement door and things. And

Speaker 5 long story short, I we ended up finding his sister and I found his mom. And then

Speaker 5 weird.

Speaker 2 They thought we were weird. They're like, why are you reaching out?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and then, but then I got really close with his mom, like super close. And we would talk on the phone for hours about her son.
And

Speaker 5 just weird things would happen to me in this house.

Speaker 2 The moment you connected with his mom, though, things got more intense. Like more.

Speaker 5 And so, like, for instance, we put in a bathroom downstairs because they only had a bathtub upstairs.

Speaker 5 And after we put this shower in, the shop, all of a sudden, I'd be in there doing something and the water would just start rushing out of the shower. And I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 But I'd have to go in there and I would have to physically turn it on and then shut it off. Like it wasn't even turned on.
Right. And then, you know, this would go on for like months randomly.

Speaker 5 And then eventually, so when I started talking to his mom and all these things and I told her about the shower and stuff. And she was like, oh my fucking gosh.
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Speaker 5 And I'm like, what?

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 5 And she's like, he used to always call me and tell me, I can't wait until dad puts that bathroom downstairs so I don't have to take a bath like a little bitch anymore.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh my god, I'm not.

Speaker 5 Like I get goosebumps right now. And like I'd talked to him, I'd get off the phone with his mom and like weird noises would happen, slams, all these things.

Speaker 5 And then eventually I took, I paid, we paid for his mom and his stepdad and his siblings to go see this psychic medium in Michigan. And it was amazing.
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Speaker 5 He needed to talk to his mom, and you were his way of doing so.

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Speaker 7 Yeah, I was just going to say because one of the first things I teach workshops about getting in touch with your gifts, one of the first things I teach is that often messages come in your own voice.

Speaker 7 He is why you've had that urge to contact his mom. Right.
That didn't come from you. That came from him.
I believe so.

Speaker 7 And he was completely whispering in your ear, like, find my mom, find my mom, find my mom. Even though you're like, why do I need to find this moment?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 5 Right. And I just had this urge to.

Speaker 2 And also, things got more intense when she started talking to, because we all got really close with each other and just talking.

Speaker 5 Before we went to the medium, yeah, like I would be talking to his mom on the phone or whatever. And then I would hang up and

Speaker 5 like all of a sudden you'd hear.

Speaker 5 bang like bangs weird things like that and then the night before we were going to the psychic i was talking out loud to him and i was like you know we're taking your mom and i hope this is really healing for you and all these things.

Speaker 5 Same thing. I got to the bottom of the stairs and in the kitchen was like, boom, this huge boom.
And I don't think I bolted up a set of stairs.

Speaker 2 It's my life.

Speaker 5 And he was like, it's probably the wind.

Speaker 2 I'm like, the fuck it did.

Speaker 7 The fuck it did.

Speaker 5 I'm telling you, it was him.

Speaker 2 It's all right. And it's like I'm a little bit scared.
I'm like, it's all right. It's fine.
It's just the George did something.

Speaker 5 So I were like, you know, and like the one time, the first time Nova spent the night anywhere as a newborn, we come home and all of a sudden her mobile and the mobile was back then like you had to twist the thing for it to play music so you had to physically twist it uh we come home and then all of a sudden it starts playing music upstairs just like weird things and and it was weird because after we took his mom to see the psychic medium and everything and then i did like a cleansing of the basement like i lit like a white candle and i talked to him about like i hope you have peace now and i let it burn fully completely until it went out on its own um after that nothing nothing happened not one people live a new couple lives in this house like nothing i've asked them too i said because i because they rent it i rent the same same, we still own the house, and so they rent it from us.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, has anything? And they're like, no, I'm like, all right, I'm just.

Speaker 5 And so it makes me wonder. Like, I wonder if, like, does everybody have this ability? I wonder.
You know, like, it makes you think of things.

Speaker 7 I think they do.

Speaker 5 Or do empaths just feel it more?

Speaker 7 I think everybody has the ability. I mean, I've taught a lot of people, right?

Speaker 7 I feel like empaths, it's more easy to tap into it

Speaker 7 because part of it is knowing what you're feeling.

Speaker 7 Is that me or is that spirit? Right.

Speaker 7 You know, I've learned basically if it comes in over here, then it's spirit. If it comes in over here, then it's not.

Speaker 2 So you've been able to kind of decipher with in your own.

Speaker 7 Yeah, for the thousands of readings, it's like you learn kind of, you know, because they communicate differently with different psychics, right? So every person's a little bit different.

Speaker 7 Like for me, mom's side comes in on the right, dad's side comes in on the left. That's not going to be the same for every psychic medium.
It's just the way that it works for me. Right.
But

Speaker 5 you understand

Speaker 5 what they're trying to tell you.

Speaker 2 And the spirit knows what you'll understand. So they do it.

Speaker 7 Well, and that's the thing, too, is like one of the fascinating things that I've learned is that I've spoken with people who never spoke English. Oh, wow.

Speaker 7 But they're still able to communicate with me in a way that I understand them. Right.
Even if they were, you know, from Germany or from Czechoslovakia or wherever.

Speaker 7 They've done readings all over the world. But it's fascinating to me that they find a way to communicate in a way that I understand.

Speaker 2 Isn't that great?

Speaker 2 Which I really believe because they are part of it.

Speaker 2 It's almost like we live in a 2D world world and they live in a 4D, 3D world, and

Speaker 2 we would never be able to explain it if we went there and came back.

Speaker 2 You can't explain 4D in a 2D world. So they learn ways to use you guys as a vessel to kind of, okay, I know they'll understand this.

Speaker 2 Because I know some people will say, oh, I see images or I see symbols,

Speaker 2 which I think is really interesting.

Speaker 5 It just means certain things to the person.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and like the person would only know that that symbol means this. And so the spirit goes, I know they'll understand this symbol.

Speaker 2 And so, which I think that has a lot to do with like, that's a whole alchemy and just how symbolism works. And if you don't pay attention to what symbolisms are, you might miss it.

Speaker 7 Absolutely. Yeah.
Because paying attention is the first thing you have to do. Right.
It's because, like I said, the messages come in your own voice.

Speaker 7 So if you're all of a sudden thinking about something, why is that?

Speaker 5 Right. Right.
And especially so, like, for like, for like, how hard was it for you, especially, you know, being not,

Speaker 5 I mean, being older in your age, you know, when it happened to you,

Speaker 5 how hard was it for you to

Speaker 5 like kind of understand how to decipher what the spirits are telling you? Like, did you have any help from any other psychic medias to kind of process it or do the reading? Or it was interesting.

Speaker 7 It was one of those meetup things where a woman came on who said to sign up for a free reading from my students because she was teaching people how to be mediums.

Speaker 7 So I signed up and her students, there were a couple of that were okay.

Speaker 7 But then she gives like a 15-minute reading at the end. And her reading was was like dead on.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 so I reached out to her afterwards and I said, okay, so how do I tap into this? Because she actually said, you think you're going to heal with your hands, but you're a very powerful psychic medium.

Speaker 7 And I had literally just finished Reiki training,

Speaker 7 which is healing with your hands. That's right.

Speaker 7 Literally, like the weekend before I had finished Reiki training. And I said, so how do I develop this? And what she started doing is she would ask people for, sign up for a free reading.

Speaker 7 And then she would tell me just to kind of write down whatever I was getting ahead of the reading. And then I would say it in the reading.
And it came very naturally to me.

Speaker 7 It was like basically turning on like a dimmer switch, right?

Speaker 7 So the light was just going on. And I remember when I realized that I had arrived, so to speak, when I had a reading that was scheduled for two o'clock.

Speaker 7 So at 1.30, I started writing down all this information, right? About five minutes to two, she said, oh, I finally got somebody signed up for your two o'clock.

Speaker 7 I thought you weren't going to have anybody.

Speaker 7 But everything I wrote down was for that person. It's because

Speaker 7 before they even knew that they were going to get a reading, I was already connected with them and their loved ones on the other side.

Speaker 2 Which is because I think on the other side, their content of the time isn't real. Yes.
None of it's coincidences isn't a thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so I feel like, and like, I really feel like they have to learn like ways to like. Make it into this realm.
Like, they're in 4D, let's get it into 2D. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Exactly. I always tell people like the easiest way for them to communicate is

Speaker 7 one is dreams because that's when most of us, I was total type A, the only time our walls are down is when we're sleeping. So when you say you dream things that then happen,

Speaker 7 I think that happens more often than people believe because that's when they can talk to you. Right.

Speaker 7 The second is through energy, the typical, you know, lights flickering, but water is another one

Speaker 7 because they are energy. So their ability to interact with that.
And the third is through animals, because animals can see spirits before most people can. Right.

Speaker 7 So if you see your animal acting all wacky or staring at a corner or something, you probably have a spirit.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. Because I feel like, like, as much of a, you know, critical thinker, I like to call myself not a skeptic, but like, I feel like I spend, like, I meditate a lot.

Speaker 2 I spend a lot of time just,

Speaker 2 you know, trying to. quiet myself down because my head's so crazy.
And I feel like, and I, then I feel with her, it's like, um, I have to work kind of extra hard at it.

Speaker 2 I think for her, it's more just fluid. Like it's naturally like she's gonna be quiet, yeah.
Yeah, like, and yeah. And so I feel like for her, for you, it's like, it's like, um, she'll know right away.

Speaker 2 She'll be like, something's wrong. And I'm like, I haven't even said anything, didn't even sigh.
I didn't even like mute. No.
I didn't even make it known that I was a little bit fussed or anything.

Speaker 2 And she's like, what's going on?

Speaker 5 And then when that person's like, nothing, I'm like, bullshit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know something's going on.

Speaker 7 Did you forget who you're talking to?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 5 Like, I know something is going on. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I know when people try to lie to me, I'm like, yeah. Do you know what I do for a living?

Speaker 2 Because this isn't working.

Speaker 7 And I think you're way more intuitive than you give yourself credit for. But I think you don't stop to think about it.
It just happens.

Speaker 7 The way that you talk to people, the way that you intuit who they are,

Speaker 7 the questions that you ask in this podcast. Like I've just, and I've told you about this.

Speaker 7 I've been totally impressed with you and your ability to do this podcast because you just can so easily talk to people and connect with people. There's a lot of intuition involved in that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, mean, I guess so.
Yeah, you have to really think about it like that.

Speaker 7 But you know, when people call it gut instincts, when they're a CEO, if you call it being psychic, you're a whack job. But it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 True, and I have a lot, I talk about all the time that I get like, I won't even really, and I, and I think I've gotten to a point where I don't question it anymore.

Speaker 2 It's like, if I have a gut feeling, it is what it is. And I, and I, and I believe it to just be my truth.
And I don't say it out loud. I just keep it very internal.

Speaker 2 But I will say that, like, I, I have probably four conversations every week with one of our close close friends about something

Speaker 2 going on or whatever.

Speaker 2 And I, the older I get and the more that I ground myself and meditate, the more I think the more easy it gets for me. And, and, um, yeah, it's interesting, though, because I don't know.

Speaker 2 Nature, yeah, I haven't like had any vision. I don't see things.
I just, it's, I can't, it's a feeling. It's just a feeling that I get.

Speaker 2 And I feel like I was going to ask you, too, do you sense that in other people? Can you sense other people's stuff? Like, if they have abilities, or I can see something.

Speaker 7 I've always known that Kate has abilities. Like, you know, even before I knew I had abilities.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you can kind of sense it in people.

Speaker 7 Absolutely. Absolutely.
And picking up, you know, what's going on with people. Like, I have some clients who call me just to say, okay, what do you get from this person?

Speaker 7 What do you get from this person? What do you get from this person? And it'll be people I don't know. You know, it'll be over the phone.

Speaker 7 I don't see pictures or anything, but I can pretty much tell them, all right, you know, this person's not out for your best interest. They're big talker.
They're, you know, whatever.

Speaker 7 And I don't know these people, right? You know, but it just comes to me and I know things, but but you're extremely intuitive, and I feel like you just, it's gut instinct for you. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And so you don't think about it a lot, you just do.

Speaker 2 Well, and also, I think it for a while, it's a little scary. It's like,

Speaker 2 it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming.
It's like, all right. And that's, I think that's why I

Speaker 2 think I like force myself and spend a lot of time meditating and just grounding because I need it for me.

Speaker 2 And I always feel.

Speaker 5 You need to be quiet sometimes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I just always feel so much like, I so much, so much relief.
And it's not, I wouldn't explain it as feeling like constant tension, but it's, um, I'm constantly filtering. Yeah.
And so, yeah,

Speaker 2 and I think there's a lot of connection with, like, like I said, I think it's one of those things where the whole psychic medium field is so interesting to me because it crossed paths with so many different beliefs, religion, absolutely, culture, and different ways of doing things.

Speaker 2 And I think if we spend less time demonizing those different practices, cultures, or traditions, and just kind of like, oh, that's their way of doing what I think. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 Everyone prays differently. Everyone worships differently.
And I feel like if we spend less time demonizing or criticizing it and just being like, oh, you're, you're just like me, brother and sister.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Right. Which all.
Yeah. We all are.
I think, I think, I think. I just want people to talk to the dead.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I think it comes down to like you believing that. I think I believe you that I think everyone does have the ability to, but we just, we're in a culture and society that just refuses to sit still.

Speaker 7 No, I agree with that. And I feel like the belief, when more people believe, if you think like Reiki is in every major hospital right now.

Speaker 2 Oh, is it? Yeah, I think Johns Hopkins. Which never would have been a thing 20 years ago.

Speaker 7 Primarily cancer standards. Exactly.
It would never have been a thing 20 years ago. But Reiki is everywhere.

Speaker 2 Evolving.

Speaker 7 So it's just, yeah, we are getting there, but it's a matter of being okay to believe it. Yes.
Right. Because when people,

Speaker 7 and now it's probably not the right time, but when people stop jumping all over each other for having a different set of beliefs and just listen,

Speaker 7 you know, we've got to be able to listen

Speaker 2 and to open ourselves.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Because you think about even religion as an example, right?

Speaker 7 That's based on exposure. Right.
Based on where you live,

Speaker 7 that's often the religion that you were exposed to. So that's the religion you know.
Right. So how can another religion be bad just because

Speaker 2 they grew up in a different country

Speaker 2 all the time? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, and I say, and I don't say it as into like one religion is better than the other but i say i the divinity that i worship and i pray does not discriminate based off of geographical location so if the

Speaker 2 boy student or if the hindu child that's that's their i believe that we're all going up the same mountain different paths but we're all gonna end up at the same summit we're all gonna be there exactly so and that's what i i really feel that so when i feel when i see people just like demonizing the different cultures and traditions, oh, you're wrong, I'm right.

Speaker 2 Catholic, Protestant, whatever. You know, all the different stuff, it's like, you guys,

Speaker 2 what a way to waste time. Right.

Speaker 7 If you had been born in a different family in a different country, you likely would be following a different religion. That doesn't make you any better or worse.

Speaker 7 It just means that you're following a different religion. But there are so many similarities in so many of the religions that I agree with you.
We're all kind of climbing the same mountain.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just on that side, on this side. Yeah, we're all going to the same mountain.

Speaker 2 And I think our souls, they know more than we do.

Speaker 2 Our soul knows that, okay, guys, everyone, yeah, sure, you're this, you're that, but shut up, or keep going up because we're all going to the same, the same thing, which I think is why it's so interesting that

Speaker 2 we've gotten to a place in society where you can say, I'm a psychic and I'm a Christian. I'm a psychic and I'm

Speaker 2 it's a great place.

Speaker 2 Like I said, I think we're like Reiki's in hospitals 20 years ago. Yeah, never would have happened.
You're a watch job, get out of here. So it kind of shows that we are spiritually.

Speaker 5 Hopefully it's because younger generations are coming up.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know. Or maybe, I don't know, becoming more open-minded or something.

Speaker 5 Who knows?

Speaker 2 But you know, hopefully, we keep

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Speaker 7 Well, it's kind of like mental health, right? We talk about it a lot more now. It's way different than it was 20 years ago because you didn't talk about it.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, I remember, you know, the first therapist I had was like 25 minutes outside of town. Oh, yeah.
And, you know, was that the only therapist available? I'm thinking probably not.

Speaker 7 But was it, you know, good that your child is seeing a therapist and in your town and people can see that? I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not.

Speaker 7 But, you know, it's just one of those things. It wasn't accepted.
It wasn't spoken about. We don't talk about that.
We, you know, stiff upper lip kind of thing. But now.

Speaker 2 Do you get a lot of demonization? Do people like really?

Speaker 7 Oh, literally. I've had people call me Satan.
God, I hate that.

Speaker 7 I actually had a guy that I knew from high school, his wife was on Facebook, and she was calling me like Satan and telling me it was the devil's work and whatever. And I said, Was she messaging you?

Speaker 5 And she said, or like, yeah, commenting. Or she was straight up messaging you this?

Speaker 7 And she said something like,

Speaker 7 have you read the Bible? And I said, actually, yes, have you?

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 2 Have you read it?

Speaker 7 That whole part about not not throwing stones, there's prophets in the Bible. There's, you know, and I said, I'm not going to have this conversation.
I didn't even know her.

Speaker 7 She just happened to marry somebody I knew, right?

Speaker 2 So that's what I loved her.

Speaker 7 And then she went on her husband's, the guy that I knew from high school, on his Facebook so she could continue to message me.

Speaker 2 So that right there is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 The passionate, the passion intensity to just demonize, demonize, demonize.

Speaker 2 What is the reason? Why?

Speaker 7 Because people are more concerned with being right than listening to another point of view.

Speaker 7 Being right, it's the fear thing again, right? Because there's power in being right. Yeah.
Think about how many people never admit their mistakes, especially like in a business world.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 They're going to blame someone else or they're going to gaslight you, but they're not going to admit that they made a mistake,

Speaker 7 which is the worst mistake you can make. Because I think, as a leader, when you say, I screwed up, you teach communication.
Yeah. And you teach, you know what, don't sweep this under the rug.
Right.

Speaker 7 If something happens, tell me, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 Well, I I think what it does is it humanizes people. And I think that's what we need to connect

Speaker 2 in a way that will cross beliefs and all that stuff. It's just, you're a human.
I'm a human.

Speaker 2 So it's like, that's what, I mean, I think we need people to stop worrying so much about being right and worry more about, I always say, like, we need to listen to understand instead of always listening to reply, which I'm, I need to, I work on that, tell myself that all the time because

Speaker 7 I've been working on that a lot over the last 10 years myself.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 But it is, it's nature. And it's, again,

Speaker 7 the world teaches you to be afraid. Be afraid of not being enough.
Be afraid of being too much. Or not underneath.
Be afraid of not fitting in. Be afraid of, you know,

Speaker 7 fill in the blank.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But instead, it should teach you to just be who you are. Yeah.
Yeah. Because I feel like, and I talked about this a little bit,

Speaker 7 whatever your passions were as a child,

Speaker 7 why aren't you doing them anymore? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because I believe that as children, we are more like who we were meant to be

Speaker 7 before the world changed.

Speaker 5 Mine was animals. I need a farm.

Speaker 2 Yep. Okay.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 5 telling you, mine was animals.

Speaker 2 Yep. But I take care of all the little animals.

Speaker 7 We're most like who we were meant to be.

Speaker 2 Which is crazy because when I was younger, I was just, I love storytelling. In any way I could, I'd watch a movie over and over again.
I would repeat the movie to people.

Speaker 2 It was just something I always like to do.

Speaker 2 But I think it's interesting because I think in Highway Cel K, I'm like, I think it's funny because I think we're all just grown-up children pretending to be adults. Yeah.

Speaker 2 How we are, how we think adult children are.

Speaker 7 I feel like if we're doing it right, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 It's like, it's like we've been, we've been, it's like you're, we're all this, like, we're all these adults, but we're, in my opinion, like, I just think we're all just grown adult children having to act like we're adults, but we're really all just children.

Speaker 5 I mean, I get it. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that's why some adults always say, like, oh, he's a child at heart because he'll be act like he's not.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm going to say.

Speaker 7 The young at heart, I think that's what keeps you young. Yeah.
But I think when you're young at heart, you also understand you still have a lot to learn.

Speaker 7 And I feel like until the day we die, we still have a lot to learn,

Speaker 7 if we're willing.

Speaker 5 Right. And I have a good question for you, actually.

Speaker 5 When you are around people or like kids and you can tell that they are old souls, do you think that those are like souls that have been here multiple times? Or what's your opinion of that?

Speaker 7 I do think they're souls who have been here multiple times. I call it a soul maturity.

Speaker 7 I just like

Speaker 7 soul ancestry, right?

Speaker 7 Soul ancestry is different than your ancestry, right? It's who you've been with in the past, where you've been in the past.

Speaker 2 Your soul tribe?

Speaker 7 Your soul tribe, exactly. Because you do this with people over and over again in different relationships.
Like you guys might have been brother and sister in another life.

Speaker 7 You might have been both brothers in another life. But the old souls, I feel like,

Speaker 7 honestly, those are the people I worry most about. Because children, there are more children, I think, born these days that are empaths and old souls.

Speaker 7 And they have so much feeling that they can't decipher if it's their feelings or if they're picking up from feelings from the people around you and children if they can feel how you're feeling they feel like they're supposed to fix it right that's our nova to ask well and i always got told that as a child that you're such an old soul you're so wise you know what i mean you ever have adults tell me that all the time was always like that as a child you were always trying to make everybody around you feel better Yeah, it's kind of crazy when you think about it because I mean, we both both got told that all the time, Moran.

Speaker 2 It was like, you're so wise.

Speaker 2 I remember being a young kid and being like, I don't know.

Speaker 5 And that's our Nova. And so that's why I'm like, I'm curious.
I'm like, I wonder if why kids, you know, even when they're really literally like, wow, they're an old soul. You know, you can just.

Speaker 7 I think it's just so important to one, let them know that just because they can feel it doesn't mean they're supposed to fix it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think that's important for us to tell her, too, because it took me to being like an adult to actually learn to tell myself that.

Speaker 7 I was in my 50s. Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And she is. I mean, she is a major empath.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 7 I mean, you can see it in her.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, she's such a great person.

Speaker 2 And me and her will have, and I, and people will, they criticize me all the time for it, but I'll never apologize for having honest, deep conversations with her because I really believe that children are more fluid and more close to that realm than we are.

Speaker 2 So I think we have a lot to learn from them because they are, they're fresh from that side. They just came in.

Speaker 2 We're older and more.

Speaker 2 conditioned from society and blah blah blah you know we have all these things and these these opinions and whatever and they're just not they're fluid and so i think we could learn a lot more from kids well and i don't think nova would accept anything less from you either no you know what i mean

Speaker 7 she'd she'd be like what are you doing

Speaker 5 well yeah they get into some talk sometimes i'm like i'm checking out

Speaker 2 stars and starships and yeah

Speaker 7 so i feel like that's part of the old soul teaching that also teaching them how to protect their own energy yeah and create like a boundary i i've taught this to people in my family i I teach it in my workshops, like how to create a boundary so that you can identify and really stop when you recognize feelings coming from other people.

Speaker 7 Those are not yours. Right.
They shouldn't, you have to learn how to not let that affect your energy

Speaker 7 and that you can control your energy because it's really hard as an empath if somebody's angry not to get scared. If somebody's loud not to feel like, okay, then I need to live small.

Speaker 7 What that person is doing should have no impact on what you're doing or how you start to feel. Exactly.
And it really does.

Speaker 7 So it takes some time to teach them that.

Speaker 2 It always reminds me of like, you know, like you can't allow people to be a parasite for

Speaker 2 your energy. And I think

Speaker 2 don't pass this hard. It sounds cold and it sounds cruel, but it's super important.
It's self-preservation.

Speaker 7 Like this is how you become a doormat. Yeah, right, right.
And this is how you become a child who's constantly trying to make everybody feel better to your own detriment. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because you feel like, again, I'm supposed to fix it.

Speaker 2 And I think that can be almost amplified by,

Speaker 2 you know, nurture. Like, how are you raised?

Speaker 2 I mean, if you're raised, I mean, like, for Kate, for example, if you're already have this intuitive feeling of like, you know, picking up feelings and then, you know, your mom being unpredictable and alcoholic, I mean, that only adds to the, I'm going to, I need to be a doormat to just like fix everybody and keep everything nicked.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah. And it's like you kind of want to be under the radar so that you don't have attention on you.
And you learn to live under the radar and you learn to just keep everything copacetic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Nothing goes off the handle.

Speaker 7 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Which is more like it's like a survival strategy.

Speaker 7 It's a term of a coping mechanism.

Speaker 2 Because I think the term empath, I think I've heard it a lot more in the recent decade or whatever.

Speaker 2 And it always makes me think about how do we define like empath versus what are the four other ones? I can't remember what the four other personalities.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there was a bunch of different ones.

Speaker 2 Which is interesting to me because I'm like, I don't even know what am I.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 7 We don't know what you are either.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I feel like I try to be as empathetic as I possibly can. Not that I have to try hard at it.

Speaker 5 Well, no, like you're empathetic, but then you have a limit. Like, when people aren't starting to do stuff to help themselves or buttons, then he's kind of like, I do.

Speaker 2 I get a little,

Speaker 2 I get frustrated with

Speaker 2 the lack of desire to elevate, and it bothers me. You know what I'm saying? Like, what is it? Absolutely.
So, yeah.

Speaker 5 I like it. I understand that.

Speaker 2 I'm working on it.

Speaker 7 But I think it's a lot of too, you know, with you growing up, being the person who makes everything okay. You couldn't make everything okay.
And you took that on yourself. So So I'm hearing anyway.

Speaker 7 Do you have a grandmother who's passed?

Speaker 2 Yes, I do. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So you took it on yourself. Yeah.
And then it became almost like you're a failure in your own mind.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 2 a failure to myself.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like you failed at something you were supposed to do, even though that was never something you were supposed to do.

Speaker 2 Which is so strange.

Speaker 7 But it's true.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right?

Speaker 2 Well, I never met her, so I don't know. No, no, that's okay.
Yeah, she died before I was ever born. Yeah, no, she's been watching.

Speaker 7 And it's something that you've just always been like responsible. Interesting.
But you've taken on the obligation that wasn't yours to take on because somebody else wasn't. Weird.

Speaker 7 So you've picked up everybody else's slack.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 fix it.

Speaker 7 You got very frustrated. Yeah, frustrated.

Speaker 2 Exactly. That's what I feel when people are people.
I'm like, what is going on? I've talked to you. For my, even some of my own friends, I'm like, dude, we've had this conversation.

Speaker 2 We just had it last week during that breakdown. I told you what I, you want advice, and then, you know, take the advice.
And then I'm like, what are you doing? And

Speaker 2 then, like I said, yeah, I feel like, and I try to work on it because I feel horrible that I can feel the empathy drain from me.

Speaker 2 It's, if you could like take a plug from a water bottle and watch it, that's exactly what it feels like. Where it's like, they'll say something like, yeah, it's gone.

Speaker 2 Like, and I work on it because I don't, I never not want, I don't, I never don't want to have empathy for someone. Right.
You know, so it's like, I feel that drain come out.

Speaker 7 But it's finding that that limit, right? Because you didn't have a limit growing up. Yeah.
And so now it's almost like it scares you a little bit. Like, I can't take this on.

Speaker 7 I can't take anything else on. I don't know why you're taking this on.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? We'll see the family. Yeah, I'm like, dude.

Speaker 2 And then I get to a point where I'm like, I just can't, I can't even be around you for a little bit because it's,

Speaker 2 I think that's, and that's self-preservation because I feel like I.

Speaker 2 like cannot even I can't allow you to come in like a parasite and take the energy from me I feel it I sense it so and I think people are like oh you're you're so cold at being able to cut people off.

Speaker 2 And it's like, I don't look at it like cutting people off. It's more like, my soul needs a break.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, my soul needs a break. And that's how you really do get invested.

Speaker 7 And again, it's, it, it's almost like a failure.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And you're like,

Speaker 7 they're failing, but in a way, it's like they're not listening to you, and you really want to help them, but you can't help them because they won't help themselves.

Speaker 7 And, and then it's like, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, like, it's exhausting.

Speaker 7 Totally exhausting. Yeah.
It's very exhausting.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's very, it's emotionally exhausted.

Speaker 7 But I think think it's, it's, you have a really good thing going with,

Speaker 7 for me,

Speaker 7 I wrote about this in my book, actually.

Speaker 7 I wrote about finding out what codependent means. I'd heard it a lot, but I didn't know what it meant.
And

Speaker 7 the small group I was in at the facility we were at, he pulled out a list of you might be codependent if kind of questions.

Speaker 7 And I was like, this, and he goes, what? And I'm like, I'm codependent as fuck.

Speaker 7 I like all of these.

Speaker 7 Literally, I have no idea, but I'm like, check, check.

Speaker 2 Reach.

Speaker 2 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 7 I love it. And then I really didn't know how to draw that line because I didn't want to be that person who didn't care.
Yes, right. So how do I, how am I okay to sleep at night? Right.

Speaker 7 But also stop being codependent and stop being everybody's doormat. Yes.
And I finally figured out that if I'm trying harder for you than you're trying for you,

Speaker 7 that's where I have to draw the line. And that I was comfortable with.
Yeah. No, that made me.
Because it was a place, but

Speaker 7 it's a hard habit to break. So hard.
But I do believe that part of what you're doing is that. Like, I can't do this for you.
Yeah. But I feel like you've been there before.
I can't do this for you.

Speaker 7 I can't do this for you. I can't do this for you over and over again.

Speaker 7 And you're waiting.

Speaker 7 And it's like, why aren't you doing this for yourself? Yeah. If I can see it, how come you can't see it?

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Speaker 2 Right. It's like, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 I don't get it.

Speaker 7 It's triggering, I think, as much as anything.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Because I think I've spent a lot of time in my own...

Speaker 2 you know what I mean emotions trying to figure it them all out and then when you come to me with trying to you know and then I'm like oh I'm really I'm, I'm grateful that you're coming to me with this thing, and I'm, yeah, and then you're not listening a lot of time with my family members, my sisters, but specifically, it's just certain things where it's like, and then people will criticize you for being so cold and cutting people off.

Speaker 2 And it's like, I,

Speaker 2 am I not empathetic because I don't care that much that I had to cut you off?

Speaker 2 Like, I, it's because it feels like, well, I'm sorry that I had to cut you off, but you're, you're, right now at this moment in time, you feel like a parasite to me, and I can't, you know?

Speaker 7 And I think it's important when people are asking you to fix things that they're supposed to be fixing. Yeah, I guess.
Because you're also a very good person.

Speaker 7 And I think it's easy to take advantage of that. And I think it's important that you draw that line.
I mean, I think obviously you want to do it with love and just like care. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's like, I hope things get better for you. Yeah.
But you can't keep beating your head against a wall, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Exactly. Don't you see a lot?

Speaker 2 They don't listen anymore. Like, they don't ask you questions that if you're not taking it.

Speaker 5 Well, and I think like, you know, even like being with Tyler for all these years and stuff, I've seen things, you know, just pass

Speaker 5 within his family, like he has with me. And we talk about those things because I feel like as partners, like when you can bring things to each other's awareness, it helps you grow a lot.

Speaker 7 Like you can see that's why you guys are the way you are.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And like, for instance, for him, I noticed this

Speaker 5 dynamic between him, his sister, and his mom where it was like Tyler had to be the fixer.

Speaker 2 all the time.

Speaker 2 Almost unconsciously, it felt like too.

Speaker 5 No, but it wasn't

Speaker 5 that like that. Or like, you know, Amber's having struggles.
Like, you need, can you help her? We got to give her money. We got to do this.
We got to do that. I'm having struggles.
We need this.

Speaker 5 It was like always like Ty was meant to fix it. And so it's good.
And, and, and thankfully, he was like honest with his mom and seven said, like, this is how I feel.

Speaker 5 This is what, and so, Lave, you know, she's listened to the boundaries a lot. And she has been kind of like, okay, you're right.
I'm not, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 But yeah, he's always had to be the fixer, which is funny because so was I.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I in a different way. I think we fix differently, which I think is the thing where I'm a little more aggressive, a little more like abrasive.
And I think you're more just like

Speaker 2 soft and about it.

Speaker 2 No, I wouldn't say doormat.

Speaker 2 Because that's one thing.

Speaker 2 When you talk about the doormat, I've never felt like a doormat ever. No, I'm saying I was.

Speaker 2 No, I know, but I think when we do things a little differently, it's almost like, but see, I'm over here trying to learn. I would love to adopt some of her abilities to be able to be softer and just

Speaker 2 like, why am I allowing this person to literally

Speaker 2 infect my own feelings? It's crazy. I say, and I always tell myself,

Speaker 2 they will not have the power today.

Speaker 2 It's not, so today's where it's all done because I feel like I can exchange power back and forth with you and we can do this exchange and it feels balanced and it feels good.

Speaker 7 The moment it starts feeling one-sided.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm like, all right,

Speaker 2 I'm done. I'm all out.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I worked hard on not feeling guilty for that because I think that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 7 Well, and I feel like it's important for you to draw that boundary. And yeah, you can do it a little bit differently and make you feel better about it, but it doesn't mean the boundary is wrong.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know, and it doesn't mean it's unimportant. Yeah.
And I feel like, you know, right now,

Speaker 7 sometimes it's hard to be a good person because people will just use that.

Speaker 2 It's a scary world, isn't it?

Speaker 7 It is a little scary.

Speaker 2 Well, there's a scary discourse. And

Speaker 2 there's hate for things that just don't make any sense. There's so much conflict where there doesn't need to be

Speaker 2 a line behind that child.

Speaker 2 But I think it's important to draw this. Yeah, if we can just remind ourselves and people listening, I try to

Speaker 2 get to the point where we say this almost every episode, where it's like, I know we have lately. Just please

Speaker 2 find an opportunity to be kind today to a stranger, to anybody, to an animal. I don't care what it is, but...

Speaker 2 You need to tap in and just because

Speaker 5 at least one thing kind.

Speaker 2 Something like that. Something kind.
That's not.

Speaker 5 We do say that.

Speaker 2 The past episodes we've been saying that a lot.

Speaker 2 There needs to be more kindness in this. There does because people are so quick to jump to hatred and criticism.

Speaker 2 And what I'm seeing is that stuff that is hatred and criticism filled is getting more attention and it's getting more attention. And the kinds of things.

Speaker 7 And that's where the money is.

Speaker 7 So that's why, you know, I feel like the media, the news, everything, you know, what makes the news, it's not the feel-good stories, it's the tragedies.

Speaker 7 And I feel like, you know, I did a post on Facebook, I know it was probably like seven or eight years ago, but I think it still applies.

Speaker 7 If we decided to go for a day or a week or a month without saying they,

Speaker 2 right? Powerful, yeah. Right?

Speaker 7 Because they is never one group of people who is all the same,

Speaker 7 regardless of which political party you play for. Not all Republicans are the same, not all Democrats are the same.

Speaker 7 They're all individual people with their own different thoughts and their own different spectrums on where they lie.

Speaker 7 The minute you go to they, you've homogenized the entire group and taken any individuality out of it and any positivity out of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I feel like just the hate is just

Speaker 2 more attractive for someone. It's accepted.
It's so interesting.

Speaker 7 And it's like expected now.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I wish, we're like, we need Mr. Rogers.
Where's Mr. Rogers? Where's our comments?

Speaker 2 We need Mr. Rogers when you need anything.

Speaker 2 We need adult Facebook, Mr. Rogers for adults or something.
Because we need that kind of like influence in, because right now it's like seeing so much. And I was going to ask you,

Speaker 2 do you find that

Speaker 2 certain climates and culture, politically, whatever, do you sense that?

Speaker 7 Like, can you sense it? You know, I sense more in my clients

Speaker 7 that are sensitive, that are intuitive. And a lot of them are, as you imagine, they're the people that are interested in this

Speaker 7 in this work and believe in it. But

Speaker 7 there's a heaviness. Yeah.
You know, because people who are watching the news, again, whatever your political affiliation, the conflict is ridiculous. The hatred, the

Speaker 7 finger pointing. Absolutely.

Speaker 7 And I feel like it just creates heaviness. And I feel like,

Speaker 7 again, the more it's important to be right than it is to listen and maybe evolve. Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's where we get into trouble.

Speaker 5 I was going to say that's what leads to the business.

Speaker 2 But I think it's interesting, though, because

Speaker 2 if

Speaker 2 you can't grow, nothing evolves in comfort. So you have to be comfortable being uncomfortable.
And it's okay if there's an opposing person with a different view.

Speaker 2 You need to just, you don't have to challenge it to be right. Just sit, just, it's a lot of people.

Speaker 7 But sometimes I think it's a way for people to take control over their lives, right?

Speaker 7 They can't control anything else, but they control how they feel about this and how vocal they are about how they dislike that.

Speaker 7 And I feel like as much as some people will say, it's as much about what's going on in the rest of their life as it is on that particular topic. It just gives them something convenient to hate.

Speaker 2 Funnel it out. Yeah, yeah, right, right.
Which is so kind of like... It's like a target.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we should stop being each other's targets.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, honestly.

Speaker 2 Well, we're wasting time. I think people, we're here for a limited amount of time in this experience before we come back and do it all over again.
Don't waste it.

Speaker 2 What a waste by just doing it and operating in the space.

Speaker 2 And I even think with us being on TV and just online, it's just becomes so normal for people to just see a hateful thing and actually like the comment. I always thought that was really interesting.

Speaker 2 When I see a cruel comment, I've never got thousands of likes. I'm like, who

Speaker 2 is reading you stupid ass bitch die and they're liking it? Yeah, like

Speaker 7 how does that make you feel better?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 7 I don't get it.

Speaker 7 I don't get it either, which is, you know, being y'all and being in the public eye the way that you are, the assumptions that people make that they know anything going on. A lot of them are laughable.

Speaker 7 Oh, it's just kind of like, really, you know this?

Speaker 2 Right. I have to learn about it.

Speaker 7 When somebody else tells you that they know it,

Speaker 7 they don't. No, they don't.

Speaker 7 And that's true with you guys, but with also a lot of other stuff out there that's being posted. It's like.

Speaker 7 Put your thinking hat on.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 7 And recognize that, you know, Joe's.com is probably not like the best source of quality information and maybe go do some research. True.

Speaker 5 Going back to your gift, too, I had two more questions that I was interested in.

Speaker 5 One of them being like, I'm sure as a medium, you probably hear very intense stories, hard stories, very like

Speaker 5 just really... not good hard things.

Speaker 5 What do you do as like a medium to not take that home with you or to release that energy and stuff? Like what kind of do you do?

Speaker 7 So that's a really good question because I was actually afraid when I started doing this, like am I going to be able to do this?

Speaker 7 At one point I was going to major in psychology in college, but I knew it would kill me because I get so involved, right?

Speaker 2 Same thing, Ali. Yeah, I love me.

Speaker 7 One of the things I do is I pray before every reading that the reading is a blessing for my client, but it's also a blessing for me.

Speaker 7 And it's been, I kind of go to this, I call it the in-between space. I don't know.
It's quite eloquent, right?

Speaker 7 But it's not here, but it's not there, but it's somewhere in between, which is why I don't remember readings five minutes after I give them.

Speaker 7 I record them for my clients, and then I'll go back and listen on occasion because I got nothing. But

Speaker 7 I feel like I am protected. Like my guides, my angels, the people who come through for me, it's almost like I have...

Speaker 7 like a protective sheath over my nervous system. Divine armor.
Right. And it just feels like every once in a while something will get through and I'll be like, whoo, okay, I'm crying.

Speaker 7 This is not good. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I've had brief, the briefest of moments of what heaven is like in terms of the feeling. And it was so overwhelming.
I literally burst into tears. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because most of the time, I don't think we're supposed to see that. You know, I understand what that's like.

Speaker 7 But it is really interesting that that will happen. Like my daughter was in the hospital for almost two months, a couple years ago, and I knew she was getting better because I read the nurse.
wow.

Speaker 7 The nurse came in and I started doing a reading and I was like, okay, they haven't given me anything since my daughter was admitted.

Speaker 7 But when I started getting something for the nurse, I knew my daughter was going to be okay. Oh, wow.
Interesting. So there is a certain amount of protection that they provide for me.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because I wasn't sure if there was, if you ever needed to cleanse yourself or something that was so hard. for you to hear or witness.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I usually, at the end of the day, will just kind of say, please release any lingering energy or any negative energy, you know, because otherwise, if I don't like shut it down, I'll have people with me for days.

Speaker 2 That's always like when you'll go down or leave you alone. Hey, hey, hey, rubby.

Speaker 5 Well, that was my next question: is like, how do you tell these spirits to like, shut up, I'm done for the day?

Speaker 2 Or we're not talking now?

Speaker 7 Basically, when we shut down, I'm like, okay, thank you. I always will say thank you.

Speaker 7 And that's like my closing.

Speaker 5 Have you ever had anybody try to like tap in, though, even when you're like, hey, I'm closed?

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I'm not listening to your mapping very often, but some people will come through like four hours before a reading starts. Oh, okay.
And I'll be like, okay, it's not time yet.

Speaker 7 Or they'll come in in the reading before, and I'm like, okay, this isn't your person. Take a number.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, like they're waiting.

Speaker 7 It is. It's kind of like take a number.

Speaker 7 But yeah, it's

Speaker 7 interesting.

Speaker 5 I'm trying to learn how to do that because I feel like, I don't know, I feel like for me, I'm like, I would, I feel like I would feel like I'm so bombarded by all these people trying to talk to me.

Speaker 7 Well, I was lucky in that they didn't do too much of that. I mean, I have gotten, you know,

Speaker 7 readings where, like, I know if I recognize, if the waitress looks familiar, I'm probably going to read her. Oh.
That's just the way it works.

Speaker 7 But some of my best moments have been reading random people. Oh, wow.
I mean, I remember one who was actually at a restaurant that was real close to where I used to live in L.A.

Speaker 7 And I read the waiter. And then as I was walking out, another waiter came up because he had gone and told him.
And he said, Can I get your card or something?

Speaker 7 And I gave him my card and I said, what's November? And he started crying.

Speaker 7 And I said, your grandmother. And he said, yes.
He said, she was the only one who accepted me when I came out. And I wanted her to know.
I wanted to know if she knew I was getting married in November.

Speaker 7 Wow, weird. And I never heard from him because he didn't need to.
Wow. Because

Speaker 7 that was all he needed. And she said,

Speaker 7 I totally like,

Speaker 7 that touched my heart so much, I will never forget it. And it was two minutes.
Wow. But it was so meaningful

Speaker 7 for him and for me.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 5 Gosh, that's got to be so just like moving for you.

Speaker 7 It really is. I mean, I consider myself extremely blessed because,

Speaker 7 again, it has helped me heal to help others heal. Oh, I bet.
And I feel like people can tell, like, if you go to a therapist who's never had any trauma in their life, like, you can tell.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, you can.

Speaker 2 Right? You're like, this ain't going to work.

Speaker 2 I had one. I was like, I got it.
I told them two weeks of therapy. And I was like, I got to get out of here.

Speaker 7 But a lot of people tell me, like, they've tried therapy, it doesn't work. They come to me instead.

Speaker 7 Which is, I mean, it's a big responsibility. Yeah.
Because I don't ever want to hurt anybody. I always want to try to do good.

Speaker 7 But it's, you know, I've had several people tell me that they were going to take their own lives until they talked to me. Wow.
And that's something that I'm not worthy of that.

Speaker 7 Like, that's how I know I'm being helped.

Speaker 5 Because I can't do that. Right.
Something bigger than you.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Well, I think it's your trust in the divine.
And you, you, you literally, when you talk about praying before readings, I mean, you are armoring divine armor.

Speaker 2 You're putting it on and you're laying it and you're having them help you do it.

Speaker 2 And that's how you, I mean, stay protected, which is what a beautiful relationship to have in your mind, to be able to do that.

Speaker 7 It is pretty amazing. And I, you know.

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Speaker 2 Have a great day.

Speaker 7 I pray every day. Yeah.
And it's something that I see every time I do one of these readings and these things come up that I couldn't possibly know. I'm really lucky in that I see faith at work.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Every time I do a reading.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 7 So I'm not one of those people that just has to hope it exists, you know. Right, right.
Because I have proof all the time.

Speaker 2 What a blessing. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, it seriously is.

Speaker 7 Peace.

Speaker 2 Peaceful, like immense peace.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I still don't believe I'm worthy of the gift and I just always hope that I do right by it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And see, I'm telling you, that's because they gave somebody who is such a beautiful person

Speaker 5 with a beautiful heart an amazing gift. And I see.

Speaker 5 And I feel like that's like, I feel like just people that I have met that have had these gifts, they are, though.

Speaker 5 They are these beautiful people that just love so deeply and intensely and want to better the world.

Speaker 2 Like, I fucking love you, friend. I love you.

Speaker 7 I have since the day we met.

Speaker 5 I know, same.

Speaker 7 I can't believe it's been as long as it's been.

Speaker 2 Well, this is one of the,

Speaker 2 when I say divine intervention, like, this is, there's a reason you went to the same place, you were going through the same thing. You totally believe.

Speaker 2 There's a reason why you went to that specific facility and you got tapped in there and you continue that. I was going to ask you:

Speaker 2 what is your advice or suggestion to people who may think they have a specific gift or may think, you know what I mean, that they are interested in it?

Speaker 7 What would you tell them? So, there's a couple things. First of all, don't be afraid of it.
You can control, like, what you say. I want energies of light.
I do not want energies of darkness.

Speaker 7 You can say that. You can turn it off.
If you're being bombarded, just say, no,

Speaker 7 I don't want any more of this.

Speaker 7 And that's one of the things I teach teach in the workshop and there are other people out there that that teach this and if you want guidance find somebody whether it's me or somebody else you know there are people out there and trust your instincts and who you talk to right

Speaker 7 it's it's like i've gotten to a point where um it just kicks in naturally for me i see a picture of somebody and i'll be like nope yep oh wow right so it's that's that quick yeah instant your intuitive was like

Speaker 7 exactly but i think all of us have that so again

Speaker 7 right look at the picture and say okay does this feel right?

Speaker 2 I agree with you. And then seeing people, I'm just like, and I, and I, and I always almost feel guilty because I'm not giving them the dignity or space to like know who they are, but I swear.

Speaker 7 You have to trust your instincts.

Speaker 2 You have to.

Speaker 5 So for other people, too, that do feel like they have this gift, but you're saying like there are people out there that can help you.

Speaker 2 That's actually. And how does that work?

Speaker 7 What do you do? So I do workshops and they're just, they're over Zoom. And I teach people how to, you know, it's a set of two different workshops and I teach people how to do that.

Speaker 7 We do lots of exercises with each other. So So they're seeing their own gifts.
And it's one of the favorite things I do only because I get to watch people the moment they're impressed with themselves.

Speaker 7 And that does not happen enough in this world.

Speaker 2 Yeah, to be able to witness enlightenment. That's like how I did this.

Speaker 7 And they're proud because they realize.

Speaker 7 Okay, there's no way I could have known that. Right.

Speaker 2 And they're like, oh, my God.

Speaker 7 Yes. And that's why I do a lot of exercises because I don't want it to be like me talking.
I mean, I'm nice and all, but, you know, I'm boring. So it's like you just want to be able to practice.

Speaker 7 So if you don't have anybody to kind of practice with or, you know, want to sign up for a workshop, whatever, pay attention to the random things that come into your head.

Speaker 7 So the whole thing with messages come in your own voice. Why are you thinking about this person now? Why are you thinking about this?

Speaker 7 The more you pay attention to it, it's like Before every reading, I have my client set an intention for the reading. I never ask them what it is.

Speaker 7 I'll ask them at the end so they can ask any questions. But usually 99.9% of the time we get to the end of the reading, all their questions have been answered before they ask them.

Speaker 7 but set the intention that you want to hear more and the more you start paying attention you're literally setting the intention like tell me more i want to hear more i'm i'm paying attention to it yeah ready to receive it yeah yes exactly um

Speaker 7 oftentimes if you're struggling with something and you're you feel like you have a gift write it down before you go to bed here's what i'm struggling with ask for help and then when you wake up in the morning just write down the first thing that comes to mind like not after you've gone and gotten your coffee.

Speaker 7 Literally right when you open your eyes. Because often, like I said, they'll come to you in your dreams or at night while you're sleeping.

Speaker 7 And that's a way to tap in. Another way is

Speaker 7 in a weird way, some people, it's like water is a great medium and their gifts kind of expand in the water. If you get a lot of ideas in the shower,

Speaker 7 if you're thinking about something and it just comes to you when you're, you know, in a pool, in the ocean, next to a creek, water can be very much a medium.

Speaker 2 What is it with water? I know. It's because we're made up of it.
The Earth's made up of it. Hello, we are literally

Speaker 2 so calming. We are cellular, level connected to it.
We wouldn't even be walking around organisms without it.

Speaker 7 And it can really help, but find those places where you can be and where you can just listen. For some people, it's in the woods.
For some people, it's on a hike.

Speaker 5 So it comes back to me. Me personally, it's cool.

Speaker 2 Well, then, like, my best place for me is in the woods by a creek. If I can hear trickling water and be surrounded by trees.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Happy Happy man.

Speaker 2 Literally, yeah. I don't even need anything else.
That's all I need. But yeah, so is there any place to avoid? Is there any like scamming? I know there's a lot of scamming.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 There's scammers out there that call

Speaker 2 me, you know, so is there any place to avoid?

Speaker 7 Okay, so the couple of warning signs I would say is

Speaker 7 like I tell people, don't tell me anything. Right.
I don't want to know anything.

Speaker 7 And I'll ask questions like, you know, I feel like I've got your father here. Is this, you know, has your father passed? Or, you know, does he also have a brother who's passed?

Speaker 7 I'll ask questions like that because that's what i'm getting but i'm giving you something before i'm asking you right this is what i'm getting if somebody just keeps asking questions right um

Speaker 7 that's not a good sign so instead so they're keep asking questions instead of just telling you what yeah you're basically they're telling you what you've already told them right right okay so um that's definitely one thing anybody who makes you come more than once like i have clients that come every month because they want to right but if somebody asks me how often should i come i tell them go with your gut.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Right.
Like if you feel like some people come to me every year for their birthday, you know, some people will come to me every four years. You know, it just, it depends on you.

Speaker 7 I have people reach out to me, you know, two seconds after their people have passed. And we did this once.
It was like 12 hours, I think, when a friend of yours had passed.

Speaker 7 And I ended up talking to the significant other of your friend.

Speaker 7 But I always say, I'm here.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You need to feel right with it. You need to be ready for it.

Speaker 7 So trust your own instincts. And again, if somebody makes you come more than once, then there's something wrong.
You shouldn't have to come more than once to anything.

Speaker 7 Weren't you the one that told me, too, that he had two sons?

Speaker 5 I think you were.

Speaker 7 When we were talking about him, I'll have to tell you some shit off camera about that.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I hear things after readings that are.

Speaker 5 Oh, I bet. Because sometimes it doesn't click for the person.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 7 One of my favorite stories is I was, I don't, I said, somebody, I'm like, are you going to Egypt?

Speaker 7 And she's like, I have no desire to go to Egypt I'm like I don't know I just see like Egyptian stuff around you three months later she emailed me she goes I'm on my first ever business trip to Vegas and I'm staying at the

Speaker 2 Phoenician

Speaker 2 girl yeah yeah

Speaker 7 that's funny and so yeah I was laughing because

Speaker 7 That's one of the things I call random references. And that's the other thing that you should experience Where I call them random references because I don't know what else to call them.

Speaker 7 And I'll give you a couple of examples in a minute, but they're the things that are just outrageous, like just random. I don't know what else to call it.

Speaker 7 But literally, like, I've one of one of my favorite examples was I was doing a reading for someone on the phone.

Speaker 7 And at the end of the reading, I said, I'm sorry, but I have to ask you what's with vanilla wafers. I keep seeing this box of vanilla wafers.

Speaker 7 She goes, Oh my God, I ate a whole box of them before we got on the phone.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oops, sorry.

Speaker 7 But then I had this.

Speaker 2 Not significant, but it's relevant.

Speaker 7 It doesn't mean anything, except it shows that they're seeing her.

Speaker 5 Well, and it shows, and it like, it's almost like a way of spirit clarifying, like, everything you said to them is true.

Speaker 7 Exactly. And coming from them and not from me.
Like, I'm a nice person and everything, but nobody sets up a reading to talk to me. Right.
Like, they want to talk to other people.

Speaker 7 I remember this other woman, we were talking about, I said, are you moving? They were considering this new house. And I said, it's like this whole vista is opening up for you.

Speaker 7 And I said, why is there a giraffe walking through your vista? Because all of a sudden this giraffe was, and she goes, oh, right next to the house we're thinking of buying is a safari park.

Speaker 7 We go feed the giraffes all the time.

Speaker 2 Weird.

Speaker 7 Weird.

Speaker 2 So that's why I call them random.

Speaker 7 I had like frogs, licorice, cotton balls, burnt toast, random things, but they always mean something.

Speaker 5 Yep, they mean something to the beginning of the day.

Speaker 7 So if you don't have something like that that comes up, that hits close,

Speaker 2 there should be things like that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, there should be things like...

Speaker 5 Where it's only something you would know.

Speaker 5 Nobody else would know this in the world. That my grandma liked burnt toast in miracles.

Speaker 5 Something weird. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you ever sense stuff when you walk into a room with people? Is it a waiting room? Go to a doctor's office. Do you ever like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 Or do you just shut it off or make sure it's shut off?

Speaker 7 So I do. Like I've had that happen at LAX.

Speaker 7 It happened because it, and it's like, I feel like when I get stuff, I'm supposed to pass it along to the strange lady sitting next to me that I don't know, which I did.

Speaker 7 And I have had like a massive movie star was on a plane next to me. And I was like, you have got to be kidding me.

Speaker 7 Don't like it.

Speaker 2 Not today.

Speaker 7 They wanted me. And I did.

Speaker 7 Because I was like, okay.

Speaker 7 Because I feel it's, you know, I feel like that's my obligation, right? If they're sharing something with me, I'm supposed to eat it.

Speaker 5 Especially if you have it shot off and they're jumping in there anyway.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 7 But they've never had me approach someone because, like, ladies at the nail salon, like it happens all the time, like random things.

Speaker 7 But they've never had me approach someone who wasn't open to hearing it. Although, because they've never put me in that position.

Speaker 7 Spirit knows.

Speaker 7 Yeah. One of my other favorite stories is it was like right before Thanksgiving one year, and I was getting money at cash out of the ATM and I heard like $100 of this year giving away.

Speaker 7 And I was like, okay.

Speaker 7 And then the next day, literally, I was getting directions. Like, turn right, right, turn left, turn right.
I was like, what are you, yeah?

Speaker 2 Because I was curious. I'm like,

Speaker 2 what is this?

Speaker 2 Where are you going?

Speaker 7 And then

Speaker 7 I heard that there'll be a lady at a bus stop at the next street. And I turned the corner.
And I didn't even know where I was at this point.

Speaker 7 I mean, I lived in the town, but I'd never been to that particular area of the town. Sure enough, there was a lady sitting by herself at the bus stop.
That's crazy.

Speaker 7 It's like, give her the hundred dollars. And so I went up and I said, has your father passed away? And she said, yes.
And I said, he wanted you to have this. And I gave her the $100 and I left.

Speaker 2 And you never know because that hundred dollars could have been the difference between her not getting rent or anything. Anything, so that is just that's crazy.

Speaker 7 It was something like super specific. That's the only time I've gotten full-on directions.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's that was freedom.

Speaker 7 It was crazy because they're like, Okay, after this bus, because I couldn't see anything because there's a big bus in front of me.

Speaker 7 And they're like, After this bus, you know, you're going to see this woman. And the bus passed by, and I saw the woman.
I was like, okey-dokie.

Speaker 2 Wow. And you just trusted it.
I mean, that's crazy. Do you, do you, do you like, do you sense anything anything right now? Is there anything happening right now? I'm like,

Speaker 2 we're sitting here. We're talking.
I'm like, oh,

Speaker 7 so I did want to ask you something, and it feels kind of random.

Speaker 7 You know, I got your grandmother who came through earlier. It says, I feel like she's like, you need support here.
Like,

Speaker 7 you've needed a champion. Yeah.
Okay. That's how she's putting it.
Do you have a male who's closer to your age who's passed?

Speaker 7 Yes. Because he was coming through yesterday.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 7 Interesting. And it's interesting because I feel like, I don't know if he wasn't necessarily always the best influence or if he was traveling down a path that was difficult.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 he feels like he owes you an apology and also a thank you.

Speaker 2 Wow, really? It's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because I feel like he didn't always, he wasn't always the best friend.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 But he expected that friendship from you. Yeah, that's crazy.
And

Speaker 7 he's really proud of you.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. That's good.
That's great.

Speaker 7 But he was, I feel like there weren't a lot of people that he trusted

Speaker 7 and let in.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 you were one of those people. But I feel like he might have pushed you away or he was.

Speaker 2 He was distant.

Speaker 2 He's very distant or whatever. Yeah, I feel like he was very distant,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 I felt a connection with him, obviously, even though we weren't. I mean, I wouldn't say we were best, best, best friends.

Speaker 7 No, but he trusted you. And that was a good thing.
But it's crazy because

Speaker 2 I think I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 And that's why it always surprises me so much when I think of him because we weren't like best, best friends, but we had enough connection to where it was significant. So it's like, I don't know why.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
That's, that's interesting.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Because he lives with him often, though.

Speaker 2 I do. And it's, and I think about it a lot more than I even say out loud.
Yeah. I mean, I'll think about it a lot more than I think.
But I think that's why he came through right away.

Speaker 7 Interesting. Because he's almost been.

Speaker 7 Again, for him, trust was a big deal. Yeah.
And he did not, he wasn't a very expressive person in terms of like, this is how I'm feeling. This is who I like.
Of course, no.

Speaker 7 But he wants you to know that.

Speaker 2 Wow. Because

Speaker 7 he just knew instinctively that you were somebody that he could trust.

Speaker 5 I hope he knows that we will always be there for his boy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, I swear.

Speaker 5 Yeah. We will always be there for her.
We will always be there for that boy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 He looks just like you.

Speaker 7 He was just going to say, he's like, he's a chip off the old block, but he's much better than I am.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

Speaker 7 He's pretty smart, too.

Speaker 2 Barry. Yeah.
He's like.

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Speaker 7 Picks things up super quickly.

Speaker 2 Well, that's what it's funny because he's, I, I was just, I was literally just talking to our friend who was with him a while, and I was like, we were talking about him a lot.

Speaker 2 And she was, she's in a place of kind of, I feel,

Speaker 2 still a little angry, whatever. And, you know, but she deserves it.

Speaker 2 And I did. And I, and I wrote her, I said, I said, and I was mentioning, I said, said, but he was so smart without having to try.

Speaker 2 He was one of those kids who would like, he wouldn't even study, but then he would get a B and an A.

Speaker 2 What is going on? Like, he was, and, and, yeah, so it was, we were.

Speaker 5 He applied himself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, you know, yeah.

Speaker 7 Um, he was stubborn, too, he says.

Speaker 2 Very, yes. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Um, and very, yeah, and didn't deserve her.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 How can we say that?

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 5 We love him, but we said it. We're like, man, Jay.

Speaker 2 But I do think

Speaker 2 he realized that afterwards. Yes, after passing.
And he's like, yeah.

Speaker 7 It's on the other side. He realized that because he was blind, he says.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he didn't deserve her. She was way out of his legal.
Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 7 And he was pretty wrapped up in himself. Yeah.
He's saying. And

Speaker 7 he didn't deserve the little boy either. It was the best thing he ever did.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's interesting.

Speaker 5 He was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because he comes across. And I always think a lot.
Because

Speaker 2 more than people who have passed that I was even closer with for some reason.

Speaker 7 There was some sort of connection. And again.

Speaker 2 crazy.

Speaker 7 He wasn't, again, he's apologizing and he could have been somebody different.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He was different.

Speaker 7 Or he said, and you are somebody different. And he just,

Speaker 2 he

Speaker 7 honors you in that. Oh, wow.
That's so nice. Because as a man, as a father, as a husband, as a significant other,

Speaker 7 he wishes he had been more like you.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that's intense.

Speaker 5 Wow, you said he came in yesterday. Yeah.
Linda.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you texted me and you're like

Speaker 7 do you think you might get something for tyler and i'm like

Speaker 7 oh you did i'm like actually i'm pretty sure i just did yesterday

Speaker 7 he was coming in

Speaker 7 he came in yesterday and then he was talking to me out there um

Speaker 2 but yeah wow yeah he's yeah that's crazy and grandma i think it's interesting because i've only had one grandma pass and we never met but she was very very excited to meet me my mom told me she was like i mean she passed away i think when i was like a week old yeah i was gonna say baby yeah like really i mean she was remember like yeah so um

Speaker 2 but yeah she and she passed with a lot of secrets a lot of yeah even stuff we still don't know i feel like did she have um

Speaker 7 any sort of either like depression or um bipolar or

Speaker 7 um yes because i'm getting a lot of the um

Speaker 7 they'll give me physical things yeah to tell me about her there's a lot of heaviness here yeah which is my sign for uh mental illness some sort of disorder.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she did.

Speaker 2 She struggled hard with it, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 7 But she, and it explains why that she was so excited to meet you because she's literally like, you need a champion, and she wanted to be your champion.

Speaker 7 And she's, because she can be over there, or she couldn't have been here.

Speaker 7 She wasn't, um, she didn't have the faculties, the ability to be that kind of person. Yeah.
Um, and it's like wholly behind you. Um, because she is.
I mean, she has been since she passed.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. Yeah.
Because my mom said that she was very, like, she was so excited because she didn't really get to raise my dad. Yeah.
So then she was like, oh my God, you're going to have

Speaker 2 a boy.

Speaker 2 She always thought, she kept, you know, we didn't know back then, but she thought. And so that's kind of interesting that,

Speaker 2 yeah, I never met her, but she, yeah, she must have felt connection. Oh, she did.
She does. I'm assuming.

Speaker 7 I mean, she's always been there. She's been like your guardian angel.

Speaker 2 Wow, interesting.

Speaker 7 Were you almost in a car accident once?

Speaker 2 No, not that I.

Speaker 2 Well, I was.

Speaker 2 I mean, when I was first got my license, yeah. That's what I was just thinking about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spinning around

Speaker 2 with, with, yes. With him, who you were just tap talking to.

Speaker 7 Oh, wow. Okay, so that's.
I was like, who's telling me this? I didn't know if it was your grandmother or fucking man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, car accident. Yes, we spoke about it.

Speaker 5 But it is crazy that you say that, though, and about you just mentioned her being a guardian angel because the fact that none of them.

Speaker 5 him and his friend you were just talking to didn't get majorly hurt had to be

Speaker 2 yeah your grandmother no a guardian angel no we we were spinning around trees in winter, and I remember all I could see was trees.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, we're all gonna, and I had a lot of friends in the car, so I was nervous. And I was like, this is it, this is a wrap.

Speaker 7 So, yeah, because your grandmother is, I mean, that's why she was saying she's been your champion. Yeah, she's always been with you, but she was definitely with you on that day.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's crazy because I've always felt like, I mean, when I was younger and had an issue, I had a lot of issues or whatever, attempted suicide that didn't work out, which by logic should have, I don't know, yeah, I should never happen.

Speaker 2 It's, I had a very, um, I had a very, a lot of visions of my mother walking out the back door and seeing me. And that's what, like, got me.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if that has anything to do with, like, just a maternal, like, I don't know. I just felt something, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I, I, I always credit my mom because I'm like, I got to fight now because I can't have my mom walk out and see me this way. It'll ruin her whole life.
And, uh,

Speaker 2 and I don't know. My mom was, she had two abortion sets with me.

Speaker 2 And she never, she, for some reason, turned the car around. She canceled them.
I was definitely not supposed to be.

Speaker 2 And I think it's interesting because i always talk about how there's a heaviness when you um are you know it's you're attempting suicide and you because you don't imagine yourself being this age right never i i was i knew from my it sounds crazy but when i was a kid i'm like i'm not gonna live to graduate high school.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna be dead far before that age.

Speaker 2 Don't know why I felt that way, but I will, so when you don't die and you're like, whoa, a lot, I think it's, it's, it's heaviness because you're like, is this imposter syndrome? I don't deserve it.

Speaker 2 I'm not worthy of this. I shouldn't even have any of this.
I should be having this life I have. You know what I mean? It's just a crazy, yeah, it's just wild.

Speaker 7 I think in your case, it's like people went out of the way to make sure you did, and you are, and you're here. Which is great.

Speaker 7 But there's a reason.

Speaker 7 I mean, you think about all of those silent people that watch you guys, that have watched your example, that have watched your struggles and watched you come out of them, that have watched you work together and have watched you be a dad.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You have much more effect on people people than you even realize. Yeah.
You know, because it's not those people making nasty comments, it's the ones who sit quietly and think, okay, I can do it.

Speaker 7 He did it. I can do it.

Speaker 7 And that's a big deal.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, I've always been really, you know, I always liked you guys anyway before I knew it because I didn't know you were on TV. But, you know, just what you stand for.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And the fact that you embrace life is not perfect.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It just isn't.

Speaker 7 It doesn't matter if you're on TV. It's not perfect.
And it's hard. Yeah.
And if you go into it with an open mind and the right persistence

Speaker 7 and the right partner,

Speaker 7 you can make something of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, which I think me and Kate, we feel, we know that we've affected more than we've, than people have told us that we actually know.

Speaker 2 And that's one thing where it's like, hey, I'm on the ride, right? I'm locked on the roller coaster. I have no control of this track.
I am just locked in.

Speaker 2 I don't know how many hills we're going, but I'm locked in and I'm just trusting. I'm trusting the process.
And I feel like

Speaker 2 I think one thing about us being on TV. And so I don't think it's going to have, I don't think it's going to get recognized for its significance until far in the future.
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 And then they're going to look back in a case study.

Speaker 2 Our grandkids are going to be like, what the? Oh, I mean, I believe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I believe that. So I think it all happens for a reason.
It's cliche, but I think it's true.

Speaker 7 But it does. And I think it all goes with following your gut, following your path.

Speaker 2 And I'm unapologetic.

Speaker 2 That was was put before you.

Speaker 2 And it's something I feel guilty for, but it's like, I just can't do things that don't align with it. I just can't.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 7 Good for you.

Speaker 7 And good for you for teaching other people that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, true. Like me.

Speaker 2 Well, I think we both, that's what I'm saying. I think we both

Speaker 2 and I believe in soulmates. I really do.

Speaker 2 I like firmly believe because there's no way this is explainable to me.

Speaker 7 Like at a level, I can't, you know, I mean, for so long, having met so young and be evolving at the same pace for so long. I mean, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 She had some wacky dreams.

Speaker 2 She did. She did have.
Yeah. I did.
I can't wait to hear about that. Oh, I'll have to tell you, yes.

Speaker 5 So, for people that don't know where to find, where can people find you, Linda?

Speaker 7 Okay, so my name of my business is Light of the Phoenix. I actually named it that because my life literally burned up around me.
I, you know, I had to leave my job to go into treatment.

Speaker 7 And after giving this gift, I was hoping to be a light for others. So it's lightoffthephoenix.com.
Okay.

Speaker 7 I do have an Instagram account, but I kept getting like 40 impostors a month. So I finally just quit doing it.
But you know, maybe I'll go there again.

Speaker 7 But mostly your website, mostly my website. And then I've also written a book called Trauma Inspired, which is basically

Speaker 7 steps to healing from trauma based on the 50 people I interviewed and also how they developed their spiritual gifts after their traumatic experiences.

Speaker 7 But I'm just grateful to know you both and it's so good to see you.

Speaker 5 Thank you so much for coming, Linda.

Speaker 2 It's always such a joy. Seriously,

Speaker 5 I love it.

Speaker 2 We'll do another one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do too. No, for sure.
I love to. Heart too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yes. So, guys, thank you so much for joining on this episode of Kate and Ty Break It Down.
I hope you enjoyed

Speaker 5 our conversation with Linda. Some of you might think that we're woo-woo-wee-wee, but guess what? I'm living this shit, so I want to talk about it.
So here we are.

Speaker 5 Please remember to like, comment, and review our page. That helps us out a lot.
Don't forget to check out Light of the Phoenix if anybody's interested in reaching out to Linda.

Speaker 5 Also, don't forget to also join our Patreon page where these episodes drop a week later, but it's the full video episode, so you can watch them on there. And we will be talking to you guys next week.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Bye-bye.

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