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If you're Matt Ishpel, where are you going and what are you looking for to head coach, Joe? You're looking for somebody who the player's going to respect and buy into the system. That's why I tell you, I don't know what they're looking to spend on a coach, but go young, give a coach some, give him some leniency as far as wins, because, I mean, it ain't worked out in the past three coaches, man.
You know, you're going to have to probably go through a little heartbreak, you know, a little low as far as wins, but you might as well do it with some young guys. You got guys, you got four years, you're playing $80 million to coaches that's not coaching over the next four years.
Hey, hey, where Phil Jackson at? He hurt? Phil ain't't want to coach. Can he still move? Phil was like, if I can't have Kobe and Shaq and Jordan and Pippen, I ain't coach you.
I'm done. I ain't finna mess up my playoff record and my championship game record.
That ain't finna happen. No, but you got to get somebody in there, man, who the players gonna respect and buy in, I'm telling you.
You know, somebody who gonna really come in and lay down what's supposed to be done. Because if the players don't respect you, like y'all see, they ain't gonna play hard for you.
Yeah. They be at their bulls.
What, I mean, Sam Cll is a player. He's been an assistant coach for two decades.
Mm-hmm. You can get Sam.
Hey, look, Sam would probably be a good candidate for that job. You look at it because it kind of reminds me of the Chancy Billup thing.
Once he got there, you know, Dane was still there. But they built Trey and Dane off and just kind of starting over.
And there ain't no pressure on Chancy, you know, right now. He got some effort assignments.
They got Scoot Henderson. They got Shane Sharp.
Yeah. Clingon.
Yeah. They got some young guys who can go.
He got to develop them guys. And hopefully they mature into, you know, some pretty good pros.
Question is, what are they going to do with Jeremy Grant? I don't know if he's on the last year of his contract or if he has another year they're going to move on from him. But like you said, they got some young talent.
They just like, okay. And they just extended.
They just extended Chauncey. Who knows? Nash was a staple in Phoenix.
Mark Jackson? Man, I don't know why they just won't give Jack an opportunity. But hey.
Yeah, I don't understand that neither. Maybe he did something wrong and word got out and they won't give him another opportunity.
I don't know. I had him on my pod.
He said he don't know what he did. Nobody seems to know, but all I know is that there have been a lot of coaches that had worse records than what he's had, that's been given opportunities to resurface.

But for whatever reason, it hadn't happened for him.

Coach Prime won't NIL salary cap in college football.

There should be some kind of cap.

Our game should emulate an NFL game in every aspect, rules, regulations,

whatever the rules, whatever the NFL rules, the college rules should be the same. There should be a cap and every team gets this and should be able to spend that.

Ocho, Joe, should there be an NIL salary cap in college football?

I don't like it.

I don't like it.

I want the players to get as much as they can off their likeness.

Because is there a salary cap when it comes to coaches going from college to college?

Or school to school?

Do they put a salary cap on the coaches?

Being able to get as much money as they want?

Absolutely not.

So don't do it to the players either.

Don't do it to the players.

They make these colleges, these universities, and these entities make billions and B-word, not millions, billions every year. Collectively off players likeness, allow them to get a piece of the pie for the change.
Allow them to get a piece of pie for the change. And it's going to be like this for a very long time.
Obviously we know the landscape of NCAA has changed. You got to pay to play, whether it be basketball or whether it be football, You want to win? You got to pay to play.
You want to get the best players? You got to pay to get them to come to your school. That's a part of the game.
That's what the game is right now. But don't put a salary cap on it.
No, don't, because they don't do it for the coaches. And they pick up and go whenever they want to when there's a better opportunity.
What you want, Joe? What you thinking, Joe? I wouldn't say salary cap, but I do want to see all the player athletes get compensated to some degree. Let's say even if you ain't a guy who playing major minutes.
I think it's enough to go around. I mean, these dudes, they all professional athletes now.
You know, we can't even... Yes.
It's not just a collegiate athlete.

Like, you're a professional.

So you got to carry yourself that way.

And I just feel like if you got one dude making $7 million,

another dude making $2.5 million, $3 million,

I think you can stretch it out to where everybody on the team is making a love song.

It's...

Man, I'm just...

I just saw in basketball, I think 50% of the players in college basketball entered the portal yeah 50% Joe think about that 50% of the college basketball player are in the portal no loyalty they ain't studying hey hey

them young boys

getting to that

money yarn

they getting to the money yarn

they ain't studying

all that

what you trying

what kind of system

you running

I'm studying that

hey

what y'all paying me man

what y'all paying me

and Joe

you can't coach kids

like we used to get coached

you can't yell at a kid

you got kids coming in now

how much money you got

and how much time

I'm gonna play

you ain't talking right

I got to go

yeah

think about it

that's what we are Thank you. little kid.
You got kids coming in now. How much money you got and how much time I'm going to play?

You ain't talking right. I got to go.

Think about it. That's where we are

now, Ocho.

And I get it to a certain extent.

That's all we knew. So the yelling

and screaming and the cussing and the grabbing

the face mask or whatever the case may be.

That's all we knew.

But in today's time, these kids,

there's been a slow

evolution where coaches have had

to get away from that. Coaches have gotten fired

for cursing and saying things

and doing things. I don't even know

if they have Oklahoma anymore,

Ocho. I don't know if they have bull in the

ring no more. They have to.

No, they don't.

I mean, we're going to

practice it. We're going to practice with no water, old Joe.
Make a bad, make a mistake. Nah, you ain't get no water.
Pour that water out. Yeah, see, that's why sometimes the kids, sometimes kids a day, they get a little soft now.
We started Bull in the Ring. We started Oklahoma during, I'm talking about, I was five years old.
Yeah, oh, for sure. I was five years old.
I'll never forget. 1988.
I'll tell you. 1988.
Miami Lakes, I can tell you who my coach was. Coach Bud, rest in peace.
What we doing, I'm five years old. We doing Oklahoma drills and Bull in the Ring five years old with pads on.
That builds character. Yes.
It builds something. That's how out of Florida.
That's why we are the way we are out of Florida. It builds character.
Hey'm playing for the bell aka Nolan Richardson oh yeah 40 minutes ahead hey Uncle Ocho you calling to practice it made you not even touch up the basketball today he just might put an hour up there on the clock and you just run around the whole court and then run for 60 minutes straight hey look yeah yeah one day about you gonna be in some shape brother you gonna be in some shape 60 60 minutes straight Indian run hey look you know you know if you're in the back if you're in the back uh with the medicine ball you gotta run a whole circle and come back to the front line oh yeah oh yeah yeah hey 60 straight, yeah. Yeah.
Hey, 60 straight minutes. No, stop.
Until we get into them legs. Because his favorite quote was, the fatigue makes cowards of us all.
That it does. And now, hey, look, look, once you get tired, now we want to see if you can play basketball.
Because they're going, hey, you got guys going to be looking like Ocho out there in that celebrity game playing against T-Mac. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hey, hold on. Hold on.
You telling me how I look when my legs were already gone after I had already dropped 22 in a celebrity game. Okay, well, I ain't see that.
I ain't see that. I'm just telling you what I see.
Well, watch the whole footage. They just showed the part where we almost fought, and I almost beat his ass.
Yeah, you ain't see that. That's what you almost saw.

I ain't see that part.

Yeah, I'm just telling you. T-Mac,

that's my dog. You know, I respect him as

a player, but

NBA players cannot deal

with true athletes

outside of a structured environment

five on five and running

plays and setting picks.

You can't play somebody like me

and think you're going to succeed.

That's why I try to keep telling you.

And you don't seem to understand.

All right, all right.

We're going to go back to it.

Hey, but, uh,

hey, back to college,

playing for Nolan Rich.

Hey, listen,

we probably would have had a few guys in the portal, too,

if you could jump in the portal.

Hey, it was tough down there.

You can't coach them guys like that no more. Hey, look.
No, you can't. You can't.
You can't be tough. Guys are, you know, you can't yell.
You can't. And the thing is, because we stayed out, when we were younger on show, we stayed outside.
So when it came to practice, I don't remember anybody. I don't remember really anybody fainting or dying or passing out or something like that.

Like you see these kids now.

They do these hard drills and they, you know, they fall out.

Yeah.

We didn't have that because we was outside.

We was playing basketball, playing football.

We was working outside.

It wasn't a we have PlayStation, we have side of your side, and then all of a sudden, you go out to 100 degrees

and try to run and do all that other

stuff, yeah, something bad gonna happen.

Yeah, hey, listen, that's, everybody wanted,

they wanted to do all this healthy eating

and they peggatarian and

vaginosaurus and all this

other stuff that don't make no sense.

They listened to science, they listened to

analytics. We ain't had none of that.

When we were, when it was summertime,

you hear me? When it was

summertime, Joe, we wanted to come

Thank you. they listen to science.
They listen to analytics. We ain't had none of that.
When we were, when it was summertime,

you hear me?

When it was summertime,

Joe,

we wanted to come in the house.

No,

if you thirsty,

drink for the water hose on the side of the house.

You had to turn it on.

You had to turn it on

and wait for the water

to get cold

because it came out hot as hell.

Yeah.

That's why we,

that's why we didn't get hurt.

That's why we didn't get sick.

Today?

Oh, I got a paper cut. I got to go doctor what hey listen yeah they don't they see we didn't have a distraction that they have in today's world we don't we didn't have no social media ocho we really didn't have no video game you had to go to the arcade you know back there don't you had to go to the arcade yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you really have no there was a very select i mean we used to have like Game Boy, though, Joe, you had to go to the arcade.
Oh, yeah, we had the arcade. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. You really had, though, there was a very select.
I mean, we used to have, like, Game Boy. We had some, you know, a couple of handheld games.
But it wasn't nothing like what these kids got now. These kids now, that's why I say when you find a kid now that's focused, boy, you got something.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Because it's hard. Because there's so many distractions.
You got Madden, and you got NBA 2K, and Call of Duty and Fortnite and this and that and Minecraft. And you got social media.
You got TikTok and whatever the case may be. Snapchat or all that other stuff.
Whatever you got going on on show. There's so much going on now.
And it seems like as each generation, the attention span and the focus get less and less. Less and less.
Very small. Less and less.
It's hard. You got to get kids 10 minutes.
Kids can't listen longer than 10 minutes. That's why, okay, go take a break.
What? It's different now. So I tell my hat to kids that come up in this environment now, and they focus and they know what they want.
Well, I want to be this. I want to be a...
And I'm not just talking about a professional athlete. I'm talking about I want to be a doctor, and they take the steps to do that.
I want to be this or I want to be that. It tells me a lot because we didn't have the distractions that they got, Nigel.
No, we didn't. We didn't.
And it's hurting a lot of guys now. They can sit around on them video games, on them PCs and Xbox and PlayStation.
That's 6 to 12 hours can go by quick. Quick.
Very. And the thing you go, Joe, you can make money doing it.
Now, Joe, kids like say, hey, I want to be a streamer. What? I? I want to stream.
You can make money. You look at Casanet or you look at Speed or you look at some of these guys.
Man, they're making millions and millions of dollars. Yeah.
Yeah. Man, look, even if you could have made money back then, my grandma Mary Porter said, uh-uh, get your ass out of this house.
You're going to hit the fields. Tell it.
And first of all, the TV got to work for you to play video games, and our TV weren't working out of the time. The funny thing about it, too, even in today's era, with players more focused on building a brand because of social media, instead of working on your craft, you know, working your craft and handling your business in between the lines and handling your business on the hardwood, the brand going to take care of itself because you're handling your business where it matters most.
Now you got some players, regardless of social media, regardless of game, and regardless of all the distractions, they show up and you can tell they put in the work, especially in college. You know, your Travis Hunters.
Yes. You know, your Jeremiah Smiths.
You know, there's some your Shador Sanders, your Cam Ward. There's's some other, your Abdul Carters.
You know, the other players that have been able to succeed that are newly in the league. You know, your Justin Jefferson, your Chases.
So players or dudes like that that have a singular focus, despite all the distractions going on around them, to still be locked in on what the end goal is and keeping the main thing the main thing? Yep. Well, I commend them.
I commend them. Because it's hard.
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Hmm.

Huh? Never?

I don't know.

It's never.

You're talking about the 98 years. They've been doing this, Ocho.
Right. Never.
I guess they say the Cowboys never going to win the Super Bowl. Not this year.
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now it's time for our final segment of the evening

it's time for our final segment of the evening it's time for q and a mr international said guys nil made college sports more entertaining agree or disagree i like that i like it i like it i like it i like it i like it i like it a lot and i like it a lot because we've heard so many horror stories back in the days when there was no NIL money when players get in trouble, can't eat, can't pay for certain things so they had to do whatever they need to do to make ends meet the fact that NIL is helping players early being able to take care of their families before they make it to the next level or some players that might not even ever make it to the NFL, they're still getting compensation for their likeness because sometimes college might be your last stop. Yeah.
Yeah. You know? For the most athletes in college is their last stop.
I mean, yeah, yeah. So those who have a chance to make a little piece of change, man, do what you got to do, man, and make the most of it.
Yeah, man. Sometimes it's like a prepaid credit card, Joe.
You got a limit on it. Sometimes the limit is college.
Sometimes the limit is high school. Sometimes the limit is JV.
Hey, when you know that, especially in college, get as much as you can. Yeah.
Opportunity. Hey, I'm starting breaking down tape.
do i go into coaching right right because everybody gonna make it to the to the professional the nba to a professional in your said sport be it football basketball baseball track and field tennis hockey whatever the case may be everybody isn't going going pro. I know you think you are, but not everybody can.
There are a million kids that's going to graduate. Ain't no million kids going to college, and ain't no million kids going to the NFL.
Yeah. It's a small percentage.
I mean, think about it. It's only been 25, 26,000 men that ever play in the NFL.
Coach, play, GM in the NFL history. That's a long way from a million, don't you? Yeah.
Hey, hey. Not even a hundred thousand.
Hey, listen, I think the NIL has made college fun to watch again though. Yeah.
Made it more exciting. Obviously, we see the money that these guys are getting and it's a lot lot more on them.
I think it's been fun to watch, man. But they do got to get a hold of this.
They got to get a hold of this because I see it getting worse, I think, before it gets better. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. For sure.
For sure. Yeah, it's going to get worse when it gets better.
I mean, you are... Go ahead, Ocho.
I'm going to say, say also, the kid need to understand too. If you really like that, if you really him, you know, all this bouncing from school to school to school to school, if you really like that, or the way you may think you are, you'll get the money wherever you go.
You know that, huh? For sure. You'll get the money wherever you go.
So thinking you're going to get more going somewhere else when you really not, they really don't value you like that. Maybe you think you're not the person you are.
Or wherever you are, you're not as good as you think you are is what I'm trying to say. So I think the kids are going to run into that problem as well, Joe, thinking that they're so good that they can go somewhere else and get more money.
I think that's going to be another issue they're going to run into. Like it's going going to be a wake-up call.
You good, but you really not like that, or they would have paid you. They wouldn't have had no problem paying you.
You would have got it the first time. Oh, you.
Great, Joe. Well, I think, you know, the smaller schools, Ocho.
But that's different. Let's see, the power fives are going to go down there, going to go to them smaller schools.
And start taking the kids. Yep, three yep three years already he got experience in college you know what it takes to be a collegiate athlete they want that they want that they no longer want these freshmen coming straight out of right coming straight out of high school they won't get high school because listen this is a professional now that we're in and these guys are getting paid so look we ain't just out here rolling the ball let you go out here and just do what you want to get better now we're bringing in guys that we're in, and these guys are getting paid.
So, look, we ain't just out here rolling the ball,

let you go out here and just do what you want to get better now.

We're bringing in guys that we think are going to help us win right now.

Okay, I got you.

OUSS 2004, Uncle Nocho.

Not that Deion is struggling to pay it for his kids' college,

but do you find it odd that the second his kids aren't in college anymore,

he wants a cap on NIL?

Just seems like convenient timing.

I don't know.

I don't think

the question had been raised

before or

this is the first time they asked him.

I think if you ask him while his kids were playing, he might have

said the same thing. I think is that with anything, you need a governing body.
And right now, there is no governing body with this NIL. Right.
So it's just kind of like the wild, wild west, don't you? Yeah. So what is it that, okay, you signed a two-year deal, you get to break the contract.
If the school can't break it, you can't break it. Right.
I think that's the, because I think the guy in Tennessee, I don't know what he was thinking because he's going to get 2.4, he goes and gets 1.7, 1.8. He goes to California, that's half of that's going to go in taxes.
I don't think Tennessee doesn't have state income tax on you. Did he get more at UCLA or less? And he got to pay more taxes.
So it made no sense. You see what I mean? There's a small example right there.
Thinking you better than what you really are and you're're going to go somewhere else and get more money. And now you got less.
Yep. Like if you was him, if you was like that, not me, no disrespect.
I'm just talking about from a financial standpoint and want more money. If you really like that, they wouldn't hesitate to pay you more.
True. If you were that much of a difference maker.
Oh want what actually what to me you want to go from

2.7 to 4 oh no

problem no problem

if they really value

you like that on the field

listen over overestimating the value

and that's no disrespect

to him I'm just using that as an example

Mr. International

go ahead would you say something go ahead Mr. International being just using that as an example.
Mr. International.
Go ahead. Would you say something, Joe? Go ahead.
Go ahead. Mr.
International, being a pro athlete isn't as popular today as it was back in the 1970s. Actually, I think it's more popular.
You see the money they get paid? Who said that? Mr. International.
Mr. International.
Come on now come on now shoot

I can't even pronounce his name

it's N-I-K-A-R-A-X-H-I

I don't know what that means bro

but anyway

for both

if you had to pick out a quarterback

from this pool

who's most likely to leave ringless

and Ocho pay the man his money.

So I guess he said

out of Cam Ward,

Shadour,

Jackson Dart,

Sloan,

is that what he's talking about?

Yeah.

Okay.

Are we supposed to predict

the future on him

on who's going to win the ring?

He says,

who's most likely

to leave ringless?

It could be all of them.

Look at the situation

they're going into.

Yeah. You're going to bad teams.

Very bad teams.

Kemper Norwood Jr.

I'm taking the Nuggets over the Clippers in six.

Are you?

Damn.

So you got, I don't know about that one, Kemper.

He said he's taking the Nuggets over the Clippers in six games.

Oh, no. I think if the Nuggets are win, they're gonna win this themselves, Joe.
I don't got the Clippers squandering this away, man. I got T.
Luke keeping them boys ready to understand in the moment. You know, we're going back home.
You can't have a letdown at home. The only teams had it.
When you came off, you know, playing in Denver you know it's tough when you get home you have a tendency to kind of relax so I'm sure T-Lew gonna have them dudes ready I don't see them I don't see them you don't see them having a letdown nah because they gotta understand the moment right now they did what they correct you so take advantage of. Don't come out playing with them boys in game three.

Keep playing hard, working.

I don't know if Kawhi going to give you 39 every night,

but him and James being consistent the way they do,

hopefully one of them explode.

Or you have those other guys play well and win you a game in this series.

But I like the Clippers, man.

I like everything they do from the guys who they play, the life-size matchups that they have, and the problems they're trying to give Denver. If Denver gonna step up and come in there and play with some resiliency in LA, it's gonna be a short series, man.
Wow. Yeah.
Quentin Mobley. All right, so Joe, how was it playing with Al Horford in Atlanta? How do you feel seeing your boy win that ring last year? Are you surprised he's still playing? No, I'm not surprised he's still playing.
I'm happy for Al, man. You know, when we got Al when I was here in Atlanta, it was his rookie year.
It was my third year here. This is our first time making the playoffs.
Me, Al, Josh Smith, Mike Bibby, Jeff T. We played against that Boston team.
We was an A seed playing against a 1 seed. And Boston went on to win the NBA championship their year in like six games.
Us, the Atlanta Hawks, and the Cleveland Cavaliers were the only team who took them seven games. Wow, yeah.
At that playoff. So we was a young team.
I was a rookie playing against Kevin Gardnett. I'm talking about playing his butt off.
So to see him playing now, playing at a high level, man, I love to see it. Man, he take care of his body.
He look good out there. Yeah.
Yeah. Bria Carter, Ocho, have you been to the end of Miami game yet? Yeah, of course.
Of course. I've been in the Miami game.
Watched Messi. I mean, obviously, you probably haven't seen footage with Messi and Beckham and George, who's the owner of the team.
I know everybody very well. I don't frequent it often because I'm on the road too much, but I've been to the games.
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