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Speaker 2 before the jazz game against the wolves malik beezy tweeted ant you need seven threes to beat me ant became the youngest player to lead the league in three points

Speaker 2 made

Speaker 2 he got it

Speaker 2 He said,

Speaker 2 you need that. And said, okay.
Say no more, fam.

Speaker 2 And he went and got all shared. Yep, beat him by one.

Speaker 2 It's so funny when you think about it, when you think about hitting seven threes, it sounds so easy until you're in a structured environment, actually playing a game and don't understand how difficult it is.

Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 2 he was seven of 18, three,

Speaker 2 15 of 31 from the field in 40 minutes. He was plus 20.

Speaker 2 Uh, Rudy Goldberg had 19 and 18 rebounds. Drew Randall had 10 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists.
They got great production off the bench from Naz Reed, gave him 11 points.

Speaker 2 Dante DiVincenzio gave him 16 points. And Nikhil Alexander

Speaker 2 gave him 9 points. So 25-30.
So they got 36 bench points.

Speaker 2 The Jazz.

Speaker 2 Oscar Tashibi

Speaker 2 played well, gave him break points off the bench. I don't know what the Jazz really gonna do.

Speaker 2 But the Timberwolves, that's the Lakers' next opponent. They got a guy that can protect the rim, Rudy Gobert.
But the thing is,

Speaker 2 you got it.

Speaker 2 He's not a guy you run plays for. You just got to keep him off the glass.
Jackson Hayes, just keep him out of glass. Don't go no pump face.
Don't do any of that. Just keep him off the glass.

Speaker 2 The problem

Speaker 2 is that in the fourth quarter, he becomes a liability because everybody's going to put him in the pick and roll and they're going to make him guard.

Speaker 2 If you go back and watch the game last year, what did Luca do? Put him in the pick and roll. Come on.

Speaker 2 As Mark Jackson used to say, shall I have this dance? Yes, you may.

Speaker 2 And so that's what you got to do to the big guys that punish him. He's out there in the back.
He's out there.

Speaker 2 Because look.

Speaker 2 As a defensive player, and that's he's won, what, four defensive player of the years now, Ash? Yes.

Speaker 2 He's really, he's really a help defender. He's not like an on-ball defender.
Elijah One was an on-ball defender.

Speaker 2 You know, Jordan and guys like that were on ball. He's a help defender because those guys get him out there in no man's land because it's hard.
He's seven foot tall, works, probably a size 19, 22.

Speaker 2 Bro, you're not finna slide.

Speaker 2 You might get him on the first one, but are you going to be there that second move? Are you going to be that third move?

Speaker 2 Right. Four, yeah.
So he tied Ben Wallace because Ben Wallace has four also. And Matumbo K.

Speaker 2 So it's going to be a very interesting matchup. But Malik, you told Ed he need three to beat you.

Speaker 2 And he's going to get enough shots up.

Speaker 2 He shot 18. He shot 18 threes.

Speaker 2 They shot 43. Ed had

Speaker 2 18 of the 43. He had seven of the 13 makes.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 now

Speaker 2 they got what they wanted. They're the sixth seed.
They get the Lakers. When does the series start? Do you know when the series start?

Speaker 2 Saturday, Sunday.

Speaker 2 Hey.

Speaker 2 So I'm playing. So they're playing.

Speaker 2 So they're not starting before Monday. I mean, Sunday.

Speaker 2 They don't have the schedule.

Speaker 2 They don't have the schedule out.

Speaker 2 Because it's

Speaker 2 contingent on because the play-in teams, you don't want them to give them a fair, so probably the four or five matchups on both sides and the three, six matchups, they'll probably go off first because those guys will have forgotten all the rest.

Speaker 2 They've done playing. Somebody from the, you know, the 7-8 and the 9-10.

Speaker 2 Right. So that's probably how it's going to go.

Speaker 2 That's a good thing that we don't know when they play. That gives us enough time for Fred to hit us back and give us a number on what it's going to look like for you.

Speaker 2 I'm serious, man. I think that'd be good, not just for us to watch the game.
Oh, yo, you just bought a $700, man, a thousand dollar car, bro. Come out the money and break bread.

Speaker 2 Hold on, let me, let me talk to you real quick. Let me talk to you.
I think it would be cool, right? It's one thing we do the show, right?

Speaker 2 But we don't really get a chance to really spend time together. Now, we have great chemistry on camera.
Now,

Speaker 2 let's continue that in person, sitting courtside and doing what the fellas do. We could be like life.
Remember Martin? Remember Martin and Eddie Murphy?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Claude Array. Like, no cameras, no, just two fellas kicking back, watching the game, you know, enjoying it, talking basketball.
You can teach me a thing or two. Chad, chat, y'all hear me out.

Speaker 2 Tell me what I'm missing here, chat.

Speaker 2 Ojo ball, he got a new crib, $21,000 in just a handful of furniture. Y'all saw the man spend all this money on chrome hard jeans, and he just spent 700K

Speaker 2 on a car, and he want me. to pay for court size seats.

Speaker 2 Whoa, whoa, and listen, you ain't got a payphone. We can split it.
No, you should pay for it.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.
I got you.

Speaker 2 I got you. So take it.
I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.
Take that $5,200 table and I get his Corsair ticket.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's how I'm feeling.

Speaker 2 I'm feeling like that.

Speaker 2 How you going to play some with my money? Chat.

Speaker 2 You just said, oh, now, come on now. You got to make up your mind now.

Speaker 2 Now, either we're going to sit Corsai together, you know, and have some type of chemistry and enjoy the game, or you want your $5,200. we can't do you can't have it both ways

Speaker 2 with your money

Speaker 2 you being selfish now don't don't don't be selfish

Speaker 2 i'm trying to do something out of the goodness of my heart you talk about what i owe you but i'm paying i'm paying for core side tickets that quadruple what i owe you

Speaker 2 It's the thought that counts. So you go buy me a ticket.

Speaker 2 You're going to buy me a ticket with my money.

Speaker 2 Now, I'm not going to use your money. I'm going to use the money I already got.
Now, the money I owe you is set aside. What's set it aside in my pocket?

Speaker 2 Let it sit beside me.

Speaker 2 I wanted to be beside me.

Speaker 2 Listen to this man here.

Speaker 2 Share.

Speaker 2 This man spent 700K

Speaker 2 on a Lambo.

Speaker 2 He just got furniture. He got a 70-inch TV with surround sounds.
Y'all saw him sitting on on a Ferrari. Y'all saw the man in the chrome heart jeans.

Speaker 2 Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 That's right. That Ferrari old, huh? That's old.
The Chrome Heart jeans ain't old.

Speaker 2 I got a booster in Miami to get everything for me, huh? I ain't even got to pay for a price for that. What about that shirt you got on?

Speaker 2 Oh, this is. I know what it is.
I just wanted you to say it.

Speaker 2 And I know what it costs. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I got

Speaker 2 oh, you got this? no i ain't get that but i got the look book that it came out of

Speaker 2 oh yeah yeah you know i was i was in i was in the look book

Speaker 2 and let me treat myself it's 2025 i told you man i'm treat myself i got something in mind for 5200

Speaker 2 what you got in mind

Speaker 2 teller tap tell us what you got in mind

Speaker 2 i better have one of the more roonies i want to take out

Speaker 2 for 5200 oh absolutely now you ain't spent no no 5,200 on no.

Speaker 2 They ain't gonna tell me what I can spend my money on.

Speaker 2 Hey, you ain't spending, listen. Let me tell you something.
I love you like a brother, and you always talk to me when it comes to doing things I shouldn't be doing.

Speaker 2 You ain't spending $5,200 on Nathaniel.

Speaker 2 Nathaniel, because she ain't been in your life long enough. Because I don't even know who she is.
The fact that I don't know who it is, that means she ain't worth $5,200.

Speaker 2 Now, she was that special, I would know about her.

Speaker 2 I told you, I need $5,200 for the dog.

Speaker 2 What dog? I told you, I'm getting the dog.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 You send the lady in Europe, right? The dog in Europe,

Speaker 2 you send her the first 500, and when she gets here with the dog, I see the other 520. I already sent her the money.
I already said a half. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay, when the dog gets here, I say, I pay for the dog.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 There you go. Lucas says the Lakers have the team to make a title run.
Ocho, do you believe it?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. Absolutely.
He's supposed to say that, huh?

Speaker 2 Listen, if he was able, you said Luca, right?

Speaker 2 Let me make sure I get my bearings right. Listen, if Luca said it for a reason, he already did it with Dallas.
He already did it with Dallas.

Speaker 2 And then he has the greatest player of all time, you know, playing alongside of him.

Speaker 2 If you get everybody else to contribute and the bench shows up when they need to show up, there's a possibility it can be done.

Speaker 2 now i think one of the issues that we're going to run into like i'm talking about we listen i'm a he fan i'm just saying we for continuity based on talking about the lagers and what luca had to say

Speaker 2 if the bench shows up i think the only issue we will have is the fact that they don't have a big huh and depending on who they play styles and matchups are very important in the seven game series

Speaker 2 Very important. They don't have a big.
Minnesota doesn't have a big that you could like. Rudy Gobert is not going to hurt you because they're going to have to run plays.

Speaker 2 Now, you're going to to have to keep him off the glass because he can rebound and give you second chance opportunities.

Speaker 2 There it is. That might be a problem because we don't have nobody.
Who do we? Why do I keep saying we? God damn it. Who do we have that could do that?

Speaker 2 To prevent them from getting having

Speaker 2 second shot chances.

Speaker 2 Jackson Hayes.

Speaker 2 That's my, that's my dude. Hey, you know, that's Coach Hayes' son, huh? Who are Coach Hayes?

Speaker 2 My tight end coach for the banks. Oh, he is.

Speaker 2 Jackson Hayes.

Speaker 2 Yes, that's his fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I was with it. He was, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was at Kansas City when I was in the league.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 Matter of fact,

Speaker 2 I got the picture with

Speaker 2 Lil Hayes, right? He was about, he was yay high. I talked about short.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Matter of fact, I only knew because the same night when

Speaker 2 was it the lakers played philly when um when uh god damn pat beverly was there pat bear was coming over to talk to me and and jackson hayes came up first and it pissed pat off so pat walked off and i look i'm like wait a minute why would you you and i didn't know he was in the nba he's like yeah i asked him how pops was doing pops was doing good i was like

Speaker 2 he's not coaching in cincinnati is he No, no, no, he's not in Cincinnati. No, Zach Taylor, that makes a completely different staff.
Completely different. Top to bottom.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I think it's going to be a great. I think it's, look,

Speaker 2 Luca, LeBron, and

Speaker 2 AR, that should be plenty of offense. Guys just got to play the role.
You need

Speaker 2 Finney Smith. You need Vando.
When they come in, they did do a job. Hey, Ant-Man going to get his points.
But you just got to make it difficult.

Speaker 2 You got to make him exert himself as much as you possibly can.

Speaker 2 On the defensive end. so that's going to be on Luca.
That's going to be on AR. You got to make him work.
You got to make him exhaust himself on one end of the court. You can't let it rest.

Speaker 2 He's not going to play LeBron. LeBron's too big.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 somebody's got to guard Luca. And so if I'm looking at the

Speaker 2 pullback.

Speaker 2 Oh, let me see here.

Speaker 2 Pull this up right quick.

Speaker 2 Sue, could they possibly put on Luca?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 oh, bulk score

Speaker 2 trying to figure who they're gonna put on Luca.

Speaker 2 Nah, not that.

Speaker 2 They want that game.

Speaker 2 Oh, here it is right here.

Speaker 2 So they can put on Luca.

Speaker 2 Jade McDaniels.

Speaker 2 Well, he can only guard one. Julius Randall will probably take LeBron.
Jade McDaniels is going to have to guard Luca.

Speaker 2 Luca. Or he's going to have to guard AR.

Speaker 2 And that means, what's it called? And man, gonna have to guard the other one.

Speaker 2 I'm excited, man. I'm excited.
Listen, listen, just sitting here talking about it, man, with you back and forth, man. You got to want to actually be there in person, man.

Speaker 2 Because I think the chat would enjoy that. The chat would enjoy it.
Just

Speaker 2 you and I at the game.

Speaker 2 I just,

Speaker 2 oh, man, I'm excited. I got chills talking about it, man.

Speaker 2 I can't wait. Oh, it's going to be a great one.

Speaker 2 It's going to be a good series. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's going to be a great, great series.

Speaker 2 I'm hoping for a great series. Hopefully everybody stays healthy and get the job done.
But I don't think you can really, I I think this is a great matchup. You got LeBron Luca

Speaker 2 and you got Ant-Man.

Speaker 2 Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 You can't ask for anything more than that. Then you got a young star.
You got LeBron. We know what he is in the playoffs, all the records for the most part.

Speaker 2 10 NBA finals, four championships, four MVPs,

Speaker 2 first in point scores, second in assists. you know, up there at rebounds, up there in block shots, and all that.
So this is a great matchup. I can't can't wait to see it.

Speaker 2 Probably not going to get kicked off before Sunday of next week.

Speaker 2 I guess it may be Saturday. Maybe Saturday, but I'm thinking Sunday.

Speaker 2 Huh?

Speaker 2 Actually, I don't know.

Speaker 2 We haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, Jason Kidd says there. Uh, some are comparing the Babe Ruth

Speaker 2 Luca with AD.

Speaker 2 They're comparing that trade to when Babe Ruth, the Red Sox, traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees for $100,000 because the owner wanted to finance a movie, which is kind of cool in regards to the Luca trade.

Speaker 2 I mean, if you're the Yankees, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 Not if you're the Red Sox, because it was 80 years, you were 80 years, and you were cursed.

Speaker 2 So I don't know the prism or the lens in which Jay Kidd is looking at this through, but he's on the wrong end of this trade currently.

Speaker 2 So for the Yankees, yes, it's very cool.

Speaker 2 Excuse me. For the Lakers, it's very cool like it was for the Yankees because they got Babe Ruth.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 That traded Babe Ruth, there was an 80-year stretch where it wasn't cool. It wasn't good.

Speaker 2 And I think the lens that he's looking at it from, he's looking at it on how great Babe Ruth was, not only when he left the

Speaker 2 Red Sox, but what he was able to do for the Yankees once he got there.

Speaker 2 And I think Jason Cig can also see long-term the visual effects of having Luca and how consistent he's going to be with the Lakers. And it's almost a shot as his own organization, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's a shot at his own organization because how could we do this when you're comparing the trade of Luca to the Lakers to that of Babe Ruth leaving the Red Sox to go to the Yankees?

Speaker 2 Yeah, because we know what he did for the Yankees.

Speaker 2 It catapulted them and put them in a stratosphere. And they now,

Speaker 2 as far in terms of baseball, they're the number one baseball team. And I mean, hey, the Yankee pinstripes.

Speaker 2 Nobody else has a Yankee pinstripe or has

Speaker 2 a signature or

Speaker 2 Seville Sabble Roll, whatever you want to call it, where they're named after something like, man, them the Yankee pinstripe. Nobody else has that.

Speaker 2 Beirut trade, Boston, and New York for cash universally regarded as one of the worst sports trades in history. The Yankees became the Yankees.

Speaker 2 The Red Sox suffered a curse of the Bambino by not winning the World Series for 86 years.

Speaker 2 I don't know if the Dallas fans are going to be happy if they don't win a championship for 86 years. Well,

Speaker 2 it's likely looking to going down that way unless

Speaker 2 someone magical comes along in free agency, someone magical comes along

Speaker 2 that's a one and done in college. It ain't looking too pretty.
Well, let's see what happens when Kyrie gets back. Hey, stop.
When Kyrie gets back,

Speaker 2 AD, with the team they have, they have Gaffert, they have Lively. They got three live, active bodies that you can play AD at the four.

Speaker 2 Now, when you really need him, you can play him at the five late in the ball game, which he likes to be, which he plays his best when he's at the four, but he can play the five last five minutes of the ball game.

Speaker 2 So you got three active big with Gaffer, AD, and lively.

Speaker 2 Likely.

Speaker 2 It's likely, lively, lively, lively.

Speaker 2 Yeah, lively the second. So once you get him,

Speaker 2 Kyrie,

Speaker 2 Nick Marshall has played really well. Let's see, Clay.
Clay has had some really good games. He's been off.
Obviously, we know Clay is not what he once was, but he can get hot. He can catch fire.

Speaker 2 Yeah, definitely. So let's see.
Right now is really not the time. I know everybody's looking at the trade in a vacuum.

Speaker 2 because what the lakes sense what luke is doing for the lakers and especially what he did last night yeah let's give this trade a year or two. Then we can really assess it.

Speaker 2 It says, okay, because what happens if the Mavericks are in the finals? What happens if they turn this thing around? So, no, I think with Kyrie, I think with Kyrie, Ojo, we know Kyrie

Speaker 2 is an all-star. And Davis is an all-NBA and an all-star.

Speaker 2 So two of those guys with the team that they got, obviously, they could probably make some moves. Now, what to say they don't make a move and could possibly land KD?

Speaker 2 Now, are you still upset?

Speaker 2 no i'm i'm i'm not upset kyrie and ad but hold on we we keep we keep talking about kyrie listen i love kyrie i love everything that he does right everything that he can do especially being one of the greatest dribblers and greatest dribblers of of the ball and be able to to create his own shot but he's coming off of acl tear how do we do we know what kyrie we're getting coming off of that Can he come back and still have the same lateral movement, the same quickness, still be able to do the same things he did that made him special when he has the ball in his hands?

Speaker 2 We don't know that yet. I believe he will, considering with the way medicine is and the way these guys come back now.

Speaker 2 It used to be a death sentence when you had an ACL back in the 70s, maybe even the 80s. But now with the way medicine is, oh, Joe, these guys coming back in seven, eight months.

Speaker 2 Now, basketball players, they normally err on the side of caution. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 So he probably won't be back until after the new year. So 26 prop possibly would be the earliest that you're going to see Kyrie.

Speaker 2 But I have no doubt in my mind that he's going to come back and be the same Kyrie. He's still going to be dynamic.
He's still going to be electric.

Speaker 2 And now you pair him with AD, and who knows what they're going to do? I don't believe they're standing pat.

Speaker 2 Obviously, look,

Speaker 2 there's reports out there that

Speaker 2 the Suns are going to have to do something because the way they're constructed, even with KD, even with Book, even with Bradley Bill, they're going to miss the playoffs.

Speaker 2 They're not even in the play-in. So you can't keep this team the same.

Speaker 2 You're paying $300 plus million dollars. You got $300 plus million dollars tied up in three guys, and you missed the playoff in its entirety.
You got to blow it up. You got to blow it up.

Speaker 2 KD is leaving. I know that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 KD, Bill. I mean, hey, you got to get, you got to move on because

Speaker 2 it's not working. It hasn't worked.

Speaker 2 And when they, and a matter of fact, when they made the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, I think they got swept.

Speaker 2 So you get swept, you miss the playoffs,

Speaker 2 it's over. Yeah.
It's over. So

Speaker 2 let's see what they do. But yeah, Jay Kidd, I don't know.
I mean, you look at this thing, I think you look at it upside down.

Speaker 2 Had you got Luca, you could say, yeah, we can compare this, but y'all ship Luca out. So I guarantee you, the Red Sox weren't

Speaker 2 once Babe Ruth started knocking the ball over the fence and they started winning World Series.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't think they was as happy

Speaker 2 as they thought they were going to be.

Speaker 2 you gotta look at it though for jason kidd to say what he's saying as the head coach of the dallas mavericks it just tells you how special luca was to where you you're even using that in comparison to that trade that long ago again

Speaker 2 it's it's it's a it's a it's a low blow and it's a shot at management how could you do something like this how could you have a trade of this magnitude Because he's comparing it to that of Babe leaving the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 And plus the thing is, Luca's 26. He didn't ask to be traded.
Babe Roof didn't ask to be traded.

Speaker 2 You know, the owner wanted to finance a play and he needed money. And hey, it happened.
And they traded, if I'm probably mistaken, because they're in the same division now.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they were back then,

Speaker 2 but you traded him to a division rival.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it's crazy that it happened. But hey.

Speaker 2 I don't know if crazier things have happened, but we'll see.

Speaker 2 I think you're going to have to give this deal. I can't look at it this year.
Kyrie got hurt. AD was hurt for a large part of a large stretch.
I think he missed 20 plus games.

Speaker 2 After he got there, played great the first three quarters of a game and was outstanding. And then he got injured and he missed some time.

Speaker 2 So let's see over the next two to three years how this trade play out because we might look at it. Hey,

Speaker 2 might look at it totally different. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Devin Booker spoke about the Suns missing the play-in. He said, it's been a slow bleed out.
I've been feeling this way the majority of the season.

Speaker 2 Does the son missing the playoffs change your view on KD's legacy?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 absolutely not.

Speaker 2 I don't think it changes his legacy.

Speaker 2 There's only so much KD can do. KD still, regardless, to them missing the playoffs will be one of the greatest scorers of all time.
Nothing will change that.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 the chase of having super teams, I think it's come to an end now. I think it's come to an end.

Speaker 2 is probably going to be moved. He will move on somewhere else.
Where he goes, I'm not sure. I think he will try to get another title or two.

Speaker 2 So wherever he chooses to go, I'm sure management might not cooperate, but probably give him that grace and sending him somewhere where he wants to play and where he has a chance of winning a title.

Speaker 2 I don't think Devin Booker is going to be there as well.

Speaker 2 I think I'm not going to use it. I don't hate using the term.

Speaker 2 you warrant your welcome. You don't want to stay too long, similar to what

Speaker 2 stayed with the Blazers a little too long uh because he wanted to be loyal um oh no you're talking about you're talking about uh you're talking about uh kg with the timberwolves no no no no no no no no with the trailblazers dame dollar yeah dame dame dame i i don't want darren booker to to to do that you know i don't want you to wear out your welcome and then try to be loyal to a franchise that really really isn't going anywhere give yourself a chance give yourself a chance to compete uh at a championship or at least make the playoffs and get past the first round so i think both of them are probably going and you know, the sons are going to have to scrap everything and really, really start all over.

Speaker 2 But this is where I would disagree with you. This notion that we put dropped Kevin Durant in and that team is automatically a championship contending team is just no longer true.

Speaker 2 We've seen him get dropped in at Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 He got swept and he got to the second round. He had a 3-2 lead and he lost two games, the game seven on his court.
We see him go to Phoenix with Devin Booker and Bradley Beal. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 While his legacy might not be altered, it may or may not. Let's see once his career is done.

Speaker 2 But this notion that you drop Kevin Durant in anywhere and they are a championship contending team is no longer true. It's no longer true.

Speaker 2 And I don't think I defy the person that can argue that point and say, Shannon, it is true.

Speaker 2 We saw him with Kyrie. We saw him with James Harden.

Speaker 2 We saw him with Devin Booker. We saw him with Bradley Beal.

Speaker 2 The only thing that we know is Steph Curry, Draymond, and Clay Thompson. That was a team that won 73 games the year before he got there and blew a 3-1 lead.
They beat a team.

Speaker 2 Kevin Durant was on the same, was on the team that blew the 3-1 lead to Golden State. Right.

Speaker 2 Golden State turned around and blew a 3-1 lead to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 2 So with that being said, I think it's going to be hard pressed for any analysis, for any historian, for any player in the NBA, as great as Kevin Durant is, to say that you just drop him in and their championship contending team is not true.

Speaker 2 It's not true.

Speaker 2 Because we've seen it. Hold on.

Speaker 2 Even with him being able to score the way he can.

Speaker 2 So what happened? So could he not score in Brooklyn?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 you remember everything with Haywire in Brooklyn with Kyrie. What happened in Phoenix?

Speaker 2 We keep. Wait,

Speaker 2 we keep saying, see, you keep coming up with excuses. Well, I'm just telling you what, it's not excuses

Speaker 2 if it's documented on what happened. Kyrie was in Kyrie, you know, I'm not sure what was wrong with Kyrie.

Speaker 2 James Harden wanted out.

Speaker 2 I mean, it seemed like everything fell apart from what looked good that I thought, even I thought, you know, as somewhat of a basketball fan, I'm like, oh, well, the Nets, they definitely going to be, they're going to have a shot.

Speaker 2 They definitely coming out the east. That's what I thought.
Until, you know, Kyrie was disgruntled. James Harden got upset.
He wanted out. And KD was like, why? Yeah, by himself.

Speaker 2 Why did James Harden want to get out?

Speaker 2 I have no idea.

Speaker 2 I don't know what type of internal issues they were having. Just from the outside looking in, I thought it was a good thing.
Y'all stop.

Speaker 2 Listen, see, every time we have a conversation, they try to slide LeBron. That's not true because LeBron went to Miami.
Okay, what were they doing before LeBron arrived in Miami?

Speaker 2 When LeBron left, how long before they got back to another NBA Finals? When LeBron went to Cleveland, how long before they returned to the finals?

Speaker 2 They went all four years. They won one.
Kyrie got hurt in the overtime of game one. Kevin Love never played in that series.
He goes to the Lakers.

Speaker 2 And in the second year, they win a title. So this notion that where LeBron James goes, the Rings don't follow is just not true because we've we've seen him move three times in all three locations.

Speaker 2 There's a trophy and he's the finals MVP. So this notion that LeBron James doesn't move the needle is just not true.
You might not like him. You can call him all the names you want, but it's factual.

Speaker 2 It's factual.

Speaker 2 Pure and simple.

Speaker 2 I get it. He's the most, I mean, he has a kin dog now, the first athlete to have to be a kin ambassador.
Very unique, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 They got all the details right. But this notion, guys, come on now, let's be fair.
See, y'all blame that. So he's in Phoenix.
He got Devin Booker, who's an all-star. Bradley Beal was an all-star.

Speaker 2 They missed the playoffs

Speaker 2 with three all-stars.

Speaker 2 They missed the playoffs. They got swept the first year.

Speaker 2 Come on, man.

Speaker 2 Pleasant seems to be doing fine without him. How long is LeBron? Hold on.
How long has LeBron been in LA?

Speaker 2 Four. It's been four years.
It's like seven years?

Speaker 2 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. Six years.
Okay. So six years.

Speaker 2 Now, I know after LeBron left, give me the pig. Darius Garland, what pick was Darius Garland?

Speaker 2 Because if you're doing well, you're not picking Darius Garland. Darius Garland was the top five picker, am I correct?

Speaker 2 He was the fifth pick in the draft. What about Sexton? What pick was he?

Speaker 2 Colin Sexton.

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Speaker 2 What pick was Evan Mobley?

Speaker 2 So this notion y'all talking about Cleveland seemed to be just fine. They should be.
They got a ton. Evan Mobley was the third pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 Darius Garland was the fifth pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 Okoro was the fifth pick in the draft.

Speaker 2 What pick was Sexton?

Speaker 2 Mobley was three. Sexton

Speaker 2 Coru was five. Garland was five.
What about Sexton? They ended up trading him to get Donovan Mitchell. He was a lottery pick.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was eight.

Speaker 2 So I damn sure hope so they doing just fine now. It took a while.

Speaker 2 You got a top, you got two top, you got three. You got three top five picks.

Speaker 2 Three,

Speaker 2 come on now.

Speaker 2 Y'all don't want to argue this. Y'all really don't.
I got time tonight.

Speaker 2 I got time tonight. Y'all don't really want to know.
Y'all know I do this for a living.

Speaker 2 I do this for a living. Y'all don't want to argue the facts.

Speaker 2 Facts.

Speaker 2 I like Katie to Miami, though.

Speaker 2 I just want to throw that at y'all.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, I don't. See, here's the problem that you have

Speaker 2 when you trade for KD,

Speaker 2 because you're going to have to give up so much to get him.

Speaker 2 Because people want to, because they gave up so much to get him, think about what they gave up, what they traded, a Mikhail Bridges, a Cam Johnson, four first-round picks. So I need to replenish

Speaker 2 my cupboard, my pantry for what I lost giving him up. Now, you're never going to get equal value back.
There you go.

Speaker 2 So, already knowing that they can only ask for so much because there is no equal value out there in the NBA outside of players that are untouchable.

Speaker 2 Outside of players that are going to be untouchable, right? And so, that's the thing, Ocho. But see, here's the like him going to Golden State because let's just say Golden State had to trade for him.

Speaker 2 They would have probably had to give up Clay or Draymond. They would have had to give up a piece.
But because he was a free agent,

Speaker 2 it made it easy. It made it easy.
I ain't got to give up anything. And

Speaker 2 he took a friendly deal. He could have got more.
He took a little less money. Okay.
He goes to Brooklyn. He's a free agent.
They don't have to give up anything. So now you can trade those pieces.

Speaker 2 Kyrie was a free agent. They go together.
James Harden comes. You had to give up some, but now you got Harden.
You got Kyrie and you got

Speaker 2 KD.

Speaker 2 For whatever happened, James Harden sees where it's going. He's like, man, we can't win here.
He wanted to trade. You trade for Ben Simmons.
Ben Simmons was damaged in Philly. I knew from the time

Speaker 2 they lost that to Atlanta. I said it was done because once I heard Doc talk after the game, I heard Joel and B talk after the game.
Go back and look it up. I said, he's done there.

Speaker 2 It'll never be the same. It's done.

Speaker 2 Now, you get him, not Kyrie. You have the COVID situation.
Kyrie doesn't take the COVID vaccination. He has the issue where he tweeted the link.

Speaker 2 Okay, whatever happened, it happened right he moves kd's like bro

Speaker 2 it is what it is not it's not gonna work let me go somewhere he wanted to go to phoenix he likes book seemed like a great but you got it but see when you trade the same thing with mellow when he went to the knicks you have to give up so much to get him you looking at that team you're like well damn man i really like that they nice over there When you get there, they've given up all the top, two, three of the top picks and draft picks.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 how do you build a team, Ocho? You're 3D.

Speaker 2 You have no depth. Yeah.

Speaker 2 See, the difference is Boston

Speaker 2 drafted, drafted. So

Speaker 2 we got our core.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 the first mistake that they made, Milwaukee, they traded. For Dane, they give up holiday.
Well, it seems to me

Speaker 2 when you give up Dane, Portland says, we're going young. Right.
Bosses say, we'll take holiday. We'll take him off your hands.

Speaker 2 You get Derek White

Speaker 2 on a deal early.

Speaker 2 You bring Big Al back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You made him whole.

Speaker 2 So now I can build around because I'm piecing things together. I don't have to give up a whole lot because Portland wanted to go young.
They weren't asking. They didn't ask for Jalen Brown.

Speaker 2 They didn't ask for,

Speaker 2 well, obviously Tatum, you're not getting him.

Speaker 2 And they swung the deal for Przingas. Prasingas wanted out.
He didn't want to play with Luca anymore. He said, I'm tired of y'all blaming me for every damn thing.
I'm going to out.

Speaker 2 So that's the problem that you have when you give up so much for KD.

Speaker 2 What do you have, Ojo?

Speaker 2 You could have two stars, but what about your bench? What about your depth? That's where the Celtics beat your ass. Yeah.

Speaker 2 When they come in with Pritchard, they come in with Hauser. They come in with Al Forford off the bench.

Speaker 2 You got three perimeter defenders

Speaker 2 with Holiday, with Derrick White, and Jalen Brown. Tatum can defend.
Obviously, he's not like those guys, but he can defend. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You got to have depth. OKC, depth.

Speaker 2 Damn.

Speaker 2 I don't like that. That's why Cleveland made the trade to get DeAndre Hunter.
They wanted to add strength to their bench.

Speaker 2 Because if you can't have a bench, that's what Golden State used to kick your ass. Because if they had a lead, the second unit, the shot troops, would extend the lead.

Speaker 2 If the other team had the lead, they would cut into it or even the game up. Now you bring ChD, you bring Steph, you bring Draymond, you bring Clayback.

Speaker 2 They run away from you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But the way you make it sound is like, it's impossible. It's impossible for KD go anywhere.
So he might as well stay in Phoenix because

Speaker 2 they can get the value or the compensation for him. No.

Speaker 2 The problem is, he knows they tried to, they wanted, they would have, they, if KD would have said, yeah, I want to go, they would have moved him. It was in the middle of the season.

Speaker 2 It was the middle of the season. So nothing could happen in the middle of the season.
Guess what?

Speaker 2 If they want to move you in the middle of the season, what the hell do you think they'll do in the offseason? Oh, they're going to move. They're going to move me now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're going to do it.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 how do you think he arrived in Phoenix?

Speaker 2 It was a middle of CEVA trade.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so he was not like he wasn't, he's he's new to this. That's how he can arrive at Phoenix.

Speaker 2 I was there during the Super Bowl, it happened during the Super Bowl. Remember, I told you at our hotel, I walked the hotel, and I was like, dad was a tall ass dude.

Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 2 it's gonna to be

Speaker 2 my thing is, it's just that you're going to have to give up so much to get it. They're going to want, I mean, if he goes to Miami Ocho, who do you think they're going to want?

Speaker 2 Are you going to give up Hero? You're going to give up Bam? You're going to give up.

Speaker 2 What? Hot Smith?

Speaker 2 Was it Hot Smith? Hot Tower? Which one is it?

Speaker 2 Probably, probably, probably Tyler.

Speaker 2 No, they don't apparent ride ain't giving up Tyler Hero.

Speaker 2 Where they got scary Terry Rogere, they're going to probably want to get up off him because

Speaker 2 he's dealing with the stuff with the gambling and all that. He's been injured.

Speaker 2 That's tough.

Speaker 2 Pat Dubb said, oh, you better not let Stephen A slide at the next mess around and lose the third seed to the Pacers. Celtics back to back.
Oh, no. He already know.

Speaker 2 He already know. I'll see his ass this week.
Oh, he better not.

Speaker 2 And we go and we mess around because I think we play.

Speaker 2 We played Houston tomorrow, right? Houston tomorrow and then Portland on Sunday. All we got to do is win one game.
We got the third seed locked up

Speaker 2 it's all for him

Speaker 2 oh he ain't sliding pat

Speaker 2 generation azimpic olympic luca is prolific

Speaker 2 sheldon pope kd is going to be looking for a team ocho can see kd in your city player for the heat what's the pitch ocho you can sell kd to come to miami and play

Speaker 2 and live i mean it's miami miami it's miami a place like here i think if we get we can get pat riley to take a back seat um and and not try to be the enforcer and the the the ruler of always that he

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 the miami heat was in the midst of a 27 game winning streak and to assert his power he took cookies that he knew lebron james was looking for does that strike you as a guy

Speaker 2 that's willing to cede anything yeah you're right you're right You're right,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 if we here, Heath Nation, want to get back to our winning ways, we need someone like Kevin Durant to come in here and just give us a chance. I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 You need Pat Rodley to stop trying to assert his power. Well, we need Mickey Harrison needs to talk to him, man.
Mickey needs to say something. Turn it over.

Speaker 2 I mean, Pat has an ownership state. It's just Mickey and his son are the majority and his family are the majority owners.

Speaker 2 Pat do do have a percentage in there.

Speaker 2 How did it happen?

Speaker 2 The volume.

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