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We got a very special guest joining us.

She's fresh off her second Diamond League win.

She's the fastest woman in the world in 2025.

She's undefeated in the 100 meters in 2025.

And she won the 100 and the 200 at the USA Track and Field Trials this year.

And she will represent the USA in Tokyo September 13th to the 21st.

Here she is, ladies and gentlemen, Melissa Jefferson Wooden.

Melissa, how you doing?

Good.

How are you guys?

We're doing amazing.

Let me start you with this.

You get off to a great start.

You run high 10 eights early in the season and you haven't let up.

Do you feel you're in the type of shape, you're in the type of condition that you can go to

the championships and maybe run sub-1060?

You feel you're in that kind of condition?

The right track, the right conditions, the right people, because you're going to have Alfred in that race.

You're going to have Talou in that race.

You're going to have Tia Clayton in that race.

You're going to have your training partner, Shakari Richardson in that race.

So you're going to have the competition.

Will the conditions permit you with the fitness that you're in right now?

I think so.

And I think really it just boils down to, you know, me at the end of the day, just continuing to do the things that's been working for me with it, which is,

you know, showing up and executing my race to the best of my ability.

And I think, I definitely do think that is possible.

I think you got a lot of confidence last year when you got that bronze medal in Paris, when you got that bronze medal and you like,

just something about, it's just something about you like, man, but I can tell you weren't satisfied training with the world champion and coming into this season.

What were your expectations, Melissa, coming into this season?

Because did you know you had this kind of you had, I mean, to back it up, there haven't been a whole lot of women that back up 10-6 with another 10-6.

That haven't happened.

You got to go back to Shelly Ann Frazier Price.

You got to go back to Elaine Thompson.

You got to go back.

There ain't a whole lot of women that have done what you just did.

Yeah, so I think the biggest thing for me getting into the 2025 season

is uh starting it out healthy um i started training for paris with a lingering issue from the previous season and also i had joined or just joined star athletics with uh denice mitchell and sharif lewis so it was definitely like a lot of things happening all at once and it was like once we once i i really didn't actually even get a good footing in yet and then it was kind of like oh wow like, no, something's wrong.

Like, it was to a point to where I actually had to stop training with the group for about two and a half months.

And so those days where I was like on the bike and watching them be able to go out there and train and get after it, like even though they were, there were some days where, you know, they were dying on the ground.

It's like, I want to be there with y'all.

Like, I want to be able to feel that pain.

I want to be able to say like, hey, I put the work in just like everyone else.

And then once reality started to set in of just like, you know, this is where you're at right now.

This is your situation.

Let's move on from there.

It was really just about getting, while my physical was getting back right, just making sure that my mental was intact and, you know, not losing sight of what the goal was, and that was to make the team.

And so when the time came, you know, obviously we went to Olympic trials and our whole training group, we swept the women's 100-meter.

I don't think that's something that's been done in Olympic

at

a U.S.

championships in a long time.

You know, three women from the same training group to make the team.

So that was definitely something,

you know, I was happy to be a part of.

And then going into Paris, it was just about, you know, I felt like I really had a good chance to win the whole thing.

But it was also just in that moment when I saw my name come up in that last spot.

It was just, you know, in a sense, it wasn't a goal.

It was a goal met my eyes because I had overcome so much that year to be able

to have my name up there so yeah

yeah

sister you've been you've been very very successful i just i just i've never been able to run track but all that you've accomplished the big stages that you've been on i would love to know i know what the feeling like is coming out that tunnel where people scream your name i want to know what is that feeling like when you get in those blocks and it's silent what's going through your mind are you nervous you have butterflies what is that feeling like

So, I think this year for me,

like once it gets silent, it's almost kind of like I get to use that opportunity as

for me to give myself that last-minute pep talk in a sense of just like, okay, you're here now.

Make the best of this situation or this opportunity that that's being presented.

And once they say on your mark, I say, here we go.

And that's that.

When the gun goes off, whatever happens, happens.

i think you gained a lot of confidence melissa look you beat the reigning olympic champ you get the race every day practice against the the the reigning world champ but i think when you beat alfred the saint lucian when you beat her

it's just like you got 10 feet tall you like i've arrived did this my year

i i i saw it i saw what i saw when you beat her something came over you and it i don't know if you felt that before that race but when you beat her that day and you ran the time that you ran you like oh yeah i'm i'm on to something

yeah um

i think honestly and truly for for me that race was obviously it was basically a olympic rematch and so I remember being in the tunnel and going out there and I just remember saying like, you know, they're not going to get you twice.

You know,

in life, you have situations where things may or may not go your way, but it's all about how you come back or bounce back from those situations, whether it win in your favor or not, and you learn from them and you grow from them.

And so that's really been my approach this year as well.

You know, after I realized how content I was with how the 2024 season went with me or went for me, it really was about me coming into this year and saying, okay, well, let's see what a healthy Melissa can do.

And once we realize realize like, hey, you're healthy, you're doing the things that you need to do, let's build on that.

Let's, let's be the best Melissa that, you know, you can possibly be.

Because this is like literally what you're seeing right now is something that I've always dreamed of doing.

And to be living part of that dream right now is just, you know, mind-blowing, but also not very surprising too, just because I've been putting in the work.

Like I've been working my butt off.

And so, you know, when I go out here and I run these races and I run these times and, you know, all of these other things, the things that's probably the most surprising to me is

when you hear the history stats or how long is it's been since something like this has been done, like that part of it is shocking.

But when it comes to like, you know, the times that I want to run and the way I'm going about executing my races and how I'm showing up and competing, like none of that is a surprise because I literally work for it every single day in practice.

When you talk, do you do you understand?

There have only been two women to go to 10 sub-6.

You got Flojo, the great Flojo, who run 1049, and you got Elaine Thompson-Hara, who's run 1054.

You got an opportunity to do something special.

And I mentioned that great season that Shelly Ann Frazier Price had, where she had like 10, she had six, 10,

6

races in that season.

And then we mentioned Elaine Thompson.

She went 1054, and then she came back at the pre, I think it was the pre-fontaine of the worlds and

ran 1061.

And for you to, I mean, when I saw, when I when I saw the time today,

1065, it looked like 1065.

I thought today was like 1071, 1072.

I said, but because you were, you weren't challenged.

Now, I know you couldn't see all the way outside.

I think that was Clayton that was way outside in lane nine.

And I don't know if you could see her, but you like, you get out.

I mean, you, I mean, you push.

I mean, hey, MJ, you get out of those boxes.

Oh, yeah.

And that's really what the, um,

what the

race plan today was was about.

You know, my coach just made sure to tell me, like, hey, I want to put this race to bed in the first 30 meters.

And so that's what I tried to go out there and do.

Like, it's literally, that's how it goes for me.

Uh, every single race, there's something, uh, whether it be, hey, when you get to your transition, you need to hit it this way, or hey, let's let's put it to bed early, per se.

So, you know, it's really just that.

Right.

I'm thinking, I'm like,

when you go into a race and Dennis, and Dennis was a great starter himself, is like, when you say, okay, put it to bed in the first, the first 30.

Okay, you get out.

Now you get into your transition.

Do you look around?

I mean, can you feel like, okay, I can shut it down?

Because the way you got out today, had you stayed on the gas, you might could have dipped down to maybe 1062, 1063.

Yeah.

So what's crazy is I agree with you.

I didn't think that 1066 was going to pop up on the clock today.

I really just wanted to go out there and be like, hey, okay, you know, one, let's get an overseas PB.

I haven't ran that fast.

The fastest I've ever ran overseas was 1092, which isn't bad, but you know, obviously you always want to aim for better and things like that.

And

for Americans, you know, coming over, we call it going across the pond, you know, that you have the travel, you have the jet lag and everything that you want.

It's a lot of factors within that.

But I made sure to set myself up for the

basically, I've made sure to set myself up to be able to go out there and run as fast as I possibly could today, you know, even if that meant leaving an extra day early so that I would have time to get the travel out my legs or, you know, being a student in the sport and asking people around me who've done this before multiple times like hey like what works for you when it comes time for these long flights like how do you get over your jet lag how do you recover from the plane ride and things like that so you know just being proactive and not being afraid to ask questions um or you know wanting to learn from that as well because i want to be doing this for a long time so i always want to make sure that i'm putting my best foot forward and that's you know utilizing all of my resources doing research on my own whether it be uh asking some of my training partners or asking people who ran in the past and done this for many, many years.

You know, I want to make sure that if I say I want to be one of the best in the sports, then I'm doing the things that I need to do in order to be the best in the sport.

You know what?

I'm curious.

I have another, my daughter runs track for University of Kentucky.

She runs a 4-8 right now.

I'm curious at your level,

at the highest level, how does the training, how is the training going?

How do the training sessions go?

For us, when you think about football, let's say there's a game on Sunday, right?

Monday,

Monday is a film day.

Tuesday, you're Wednesday and Thursdays, you hitting it hard.

Friday, you take Wednesday and Thursdays, and

it's not as hard.

What's the word?

Yes, it's not as intense.

Saturday, walkthrough.

Sunday, you play your game.

So when it comes to tracking and you have a race coming up, what do the days look like?

How do you know

how to train without peeking before you actually do the race itself?

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Like, say for instance, I'll even do maybe uh a week right before we have like a us trials so the week before us trials we were like really i would i call it being in the lab yeah where we do one day on one day off so we'll have um a heavy sprint day which we're doing like blocks and um a lot of sprint training so whether that be over speed training or you know getting like close close to FAT timing, you know, just seeing where we are

with flat foot speed and then being able to take those two things and translate it over.

And then we'll come the next day and then have an off day where we'll just do strides and things like that.

And we'll do that

basically going into the week of U.S.

trials.

And then when we get to U.S.

trials, it's just about, you know, doing things that's going to keep the body awake and alert, but also not trying to do too much.

So we'll do something like maybe like a 150, but the pace will be slower, you know, and we'll just work on technique and things like that.

And then we'll have another down day.

And then what we call it pre-meet, which is the day before the meet starts.

And that'll be the day where we do our blocks.

And it's really just some pop-out blocks.

We'll have about maybe two or three of them and a nice little quick run, or I say quick run, really a quick sprint, like maybe 60 meters or something like that.

And then we'll hit it.

If the time is good, all right, shut it down, take your shoes off, go cool down, and that's it.

Oh, that's dope.

Wow.

You know, you know, it sounds like, honestly, the way you guys train, you train in different phases of the race, but you never actually do the full race before you actually do it.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

And I feel like that's probably something that's definitely worked to my advantage a lot, especially like when we have our spring days, like we'll literally have two different sessions, but they're, like you said, working on both parts of the races.

We'll have

a part in our...

Yeah, like we'll have a part in our, in our practice where we do strictly blocks, but we won't go out but so far.

And then we'll come on the second half of the day and do, you know, sprints, something like that.

Whereas we can put together what we did in the blocks, but also work on the latter ends of our races.

And, you know, it gives coach an opportunity to really see the areas where we're not as strong or where our strong points are.

And then how we build off of those and then make those weaker points stronger.

Right.

That's dope.

Melissa, you was mainly known as a 100-meter specialist.

But when you go down there and you lay the time that you laid down at the trials, they like, hold on, what happened to the 100-meter specialist?

No, no, no, no, no.

There is a legit chance you can double.

Because, look, the St.

Lucian, she ain't going anywhere.

That's your competition.

You know that.

Look, Talou is Talou.

She's a big, she's a big race.

And we know the Jamaicans

from Shelly Ann Fraser and Elaine and Hara, they're not, Shelly Ann is going to be there.

Elaine isn't.

Sharika Jackson,

they are big game hunters.

They show up in the world and the Olympics.

The Jamaicans show up.

But you know to lose.

But your competition, you know it, is probably going to be right next to you.

Four and five.

Y'all are probably going to be right next to each other.

The St.

Lucian, Julian Alfred.

She ain't going anywhere.

She's getting 100 and 200.

You mentioned Paris.

You're like, damn, I was injured going in and I got a bronze.

I'm happy.

I'm thankful.

You got, if I'm not mistaken, I think

you got the silver at the

at the Worlds, right?

No, so I got bronze in the 100 at,

well, yeah, I got bronze in the 100 in Paris,

and then I got silver at Olympic trials.

Trials.

Yes.

So now,

how do you train?

Because like...

The premium race is the 100, but you know, you're like, well, hell, I'm here.

I might as well be greedy.

I might as well be greedy and get double gold.

I might as well.

Yeah.

So me and the 200 have a love-hate relationship.

It ain't never had no problems with me, but I have problems with it.

So I'm kind of, you know, we don't have as much problems anymore.

That's because I know how to run it now.

And then I'm not scared of the pain.

Really, for me, it was always the pain

in the 200 that was the thing that I feared the most.

but after getting over that like hey the pain is it's like lactic is lactic at the end of the day it's going to be in yeah very right temporary um but i'm in shape i'm in good shape so you know you have you're in phenomenal shape thanks

to put to no no no no no look i'm a track aficionado to go back to back 65 66

like i said there haven't been a whole lot of women and we've had some great 100 meter runners and i'm not just talking about americans i'm talking about from the Jamaicans and

Marion Jones.

And you go back to, well, obviously they weren't running times back then.

But you look at Marion Jones, you look at Flojo, you look at Evelyn Ashford, you look at Gail Deavers, you look at Elaine Thompson and Shelly Ann Frazier, and you look at Sha'Cari to put together 65 and 66 in back-to-back races.

That doesn't happen often.

So you're in phenomenal shape.

I just hope, MJ, you can hold on to this.

Because if you hold on to this kind of shape, there's something special in store for you

in Tokyo.

Because I know she's going to bring the best out of you, and you're going to bring the best out of her.

And with that track and a favorable condition, and hopefully, we can get something about 1.5 to 1.8 behind you.

Come on,

come on, come on, come on, come on, come on,

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be hype.

I'm going to be hype.

But in the 200, with your kind of speed,

and you say you were scared of the pain, because the 200, with your kind of speed, you got to get out.

Because you don't like, like,

like Gabby can run the 400.

She can run 49, 400.

So she has that kind of endurance, that strength to come on at the end.

You like, I'm going to do, I'm going to do a Leonardo DiCaprio.

Catch me if you can, because I'm going to get out here on you.

Come get me.

yeah and i think for me it's always just about well for any athlete it's just you know knowing what your strengths are and letting your strengths play to your advantage um i know because even if you go back and you look at when i ran in the miami grand slam that was that was my first i would say like i ran the 200 in kingston but the wind was like crazy i ran into like a negative 4.7 win or something so i yeah literally ran in with a hurricane in my face So it was like

you ran into a hurricane.

Yeah.

So that, like, at that point, it's just about like, nobody cares about the time.

Like, just put your head down and run.

But so I say Miami was probably my first real 200 of the year.

And I'm in a race with the Olympic gold medalist, the Olympic bronze medalist, and then all these other

women who run the 200 on a regular and I don't.

Yeah.

So

going into that race i was just kind of like i i won the hundred the day before i ran a 10 7 it was windy but it's just like okay it's still 10 7 like okay let's go back out there the next day and see what we can do like let's see what we got in the 10 there's no expectation on what i can do like on the line and let's see what you got And that's what I did.

I got out like my life depending on it.

And I got to about 150, like a 100-meter specialist would do and faded.

I swam for about the last 30 meters of the race.

And every time I go back and look at that race, I'm like, man, Melissa, you were right there.

Like, okay, bet.

You were right there.

Next time, it won't happen again.

And when we got to Philly, that's literally what I did.

I got blessed with the lane draw once again.

And I just remember getting out on the curb.

And when we came off the curb, it was just like, oh, wow, you're in the front.

Hold it.

Stay in the front.

Like, come on, let's do this.

And even then, I kind of feel like, not that I held back a little bit in that, in that 200, but it was almost like,

I think she's going to come and catch me eventually.

So it was kind of like almost I was waiting for her to do that.

And it was like, Melissa, why did you do that?

Like, why didn't you just trust your abilities?

Why didn't you think that you were fully capable of winning this race, no matter who's in the race, you know?

And so

going into trials, or I won Philly.

And then going into trials, it's just like, okay.

Let's just go out there and see what you got.

You know, you're strong enough to do it.

You know, you know how to execute a race.

Just go out there and do it.

Like, stop getting in your own way and go out there and do what you know you can do.

And so that's what I did.

And I'm happy.

Like, 2184 for me,

you don't even want to know what I had written down on my goals for the 200 this year.

Like, surpass that.

Probably, probably, probably 22 flat, low 22, or maybe 22 flat.

But I think what running the two.

It was definitely 21.9.

Okay.

And you surprise, so you went 21.8.

But I think what the 200 did do is that it gave you the strength that you can hold on to that 100 meters.

So I'm expecting something really, I'm thinking, I'm expecting something special.

I'm expecting something that only Flojo has been able to do.

I'm expecting you to go.

I can see a scenario.

You go high 21, high 10-5.

I can see that.

Yeah.

I can too.

I like it.

So let me ask you this.

As when you are mainly a 100-meter, now you're into the 200.

How different is the training from the one to the two?

For us, it's actually not that different.

We pretty much do the same things we do for the 100, for the 200.

The way our coach trains us, it's literally like you either got it or you don't.

You know, it's one of, it's kind of one of those things.

And then obviously, you know, when it comes to certain part of the races, like there's there is an extra hundred meters.

So, you know, it's all about teaching us

when we're

getting out of the blocks and what we do at a point of the 200 and things like that.

But when it comes to like whether if you're asking, like, do we do more strength endurance training for that?

Or, you know, if different in that aspect of it, it's not that much.

It doesn't vary a lot.

Yeah.

Right.

Because a lot of, because like like 400 meter runners they'll do a lot they'll do a lot of 500 a lot of 600s 200 meters runners you'll probably do a lot of a lot a lot more threes and for and for and for the uh uh the hundred meters you do a lot more 150s maybe 170s like that so i it's it's interesting to see because they require different things you know obviously the the 100 meters is all about get out because i don't care

10-7 ain't catching 10-7.

The first 10-7 to get out the block, that's the 10-7 that's go go cross your finish line first.

So those days are you running somebody down?

Absolutely.

That's the thing.

That's the thing in the past.

When you're dealing with equal, you know, you and Julian and Miss Alfred, when you guys get out, and that's what you've been able to do,

I'm like, I don't know if I've seen a woman get out of the blocks like you.

I mean, it's almost like.

I'm looking at you.

You're like a two-foot, like you push off like two feet.

Normally you see that with men.

Go ahead.

Go.

I want to know.

I want to know what, how, how have you been able to like the way you thrust yourself out of the blocks?

So for me, it's all about, it's almost this thing to where, like, we do it every single day in practice.

So the minute I hear go,

the first, the

first thing

is just like, okay,

how much

step in doing so, you know, obviously it's about, you know, you get in, you get to the

technical side of things.

So you talk about your stride length and all of that stuff.

But for me, it's really just about how much can I get out of these first couple of steps?

How can I set myself up?

to separate from the rest of the field is basically what I'm thinking in my head.

And whatever gets me to doing that is basically how I go about it.

It's always fun though, to be able to line up with women who have, or who are just as capable of doing the things that I do, you know, as far as getting out the blocks.

Like, I like getting out the blocks with people.

You know,

it makes me want to be better.

It makes me like, if we can get out together,

I'm, I'm now, I now want to see how I can get out faster than you.

Like, that's the type of athlete that I am.

I'm always looking for ways to improve, always looking for ways to be a better Melissa.

And in doing that, you know, it comes, it boils down to perfecting my craft.

And I do that every single day with my training partners in practice.

You know, like we push each other past our limits sometimes and in good ways, obviously.

But, you know, just, you know, bringing the best out of one another is, is, I feel like, why I've been able to do the things that I've been able to do.

Like, you see me, how you say, like, I get out the blocks the way I do.

I don't get out the blocks the way I do if I'm not being pushed like that in practice.

So.

Right.

And I have no disrespect, but I forgot about the great, the great Brits, Daryl Nita and Dina Asher Smith.

I'm sure

they're going to be on the line.

They're going to have something to say about this.

But

Melissa, I mean, have you thought about it?

I mean, when you were growing up,

did it ever cross your mind?

I would be the fastest woman in the world.

Not in Texas or Florida or Georgia.

I would be the fat of 8 billion people.

There is not going to be a woman in the world that that can outrun me.

Yes.

Honestly, it's true.

Yes.

Like, there's no lies to it.

I'm so dead serious.

Yes.

I mean,

look,

I'm expecting a goal

in the 100 meters.

And I'm expecting a time.

I'm expecting you to lay down something special

that we're going to be talking about leading

in the 28, because obviously

the Olympics are going to be in LA, and hopefully you can stay healthy.

But I'm expecting something special because I know you got it in you.

And the way you run, the time that you run, it ain't no, well, she ran 10-8, now she ran 11-flat.

She ran 1078, and now she runs 1092.

Nah, it went from 1088, 1086, 1084, 82, 75, 72.

I'm like, what do you think?

improvement?

Hey, does she got, does she got, hey, she got a hurricane behind herself?

The time she's laying down and the consistency in which you're laying these times down.

Oh, yeah.

You know, consistency is the name of the game in our sport.

And

I feel like the biggest thing for me this year, also just on top of everything else that I've been doing, whether it be my mindset or anything like that, is just being disciplined and who I want to be.

On those days where, you know, I may not be feeling my best or, man, I'm a little tired today.

Coach for beating us up all week.

Like, make sure to keep showing up for myself,

you know, because at the end of the day, I don't want to get to Tokyo and be like, man,

if I would have just did that, I wanted cool down lap or if I would have just

sucked it up and came today, or if I would have did that interrupt, then maybe like,

I don't want to leave with any doubts of no regrets everything that i did i didn't leave or i didn't do yes i can't get the words out for some reason excuse me it's five o'clock in the morning over here but yeah

and we thank you for your time because there are two you get a lifetime of discipline or a lifetime of regret

now the lifetime of discipline is something that you can look back and you can be proud of that regret is something that you can't go back and undo

and so i'm i'm like i said i'm expecting you you you you look fit you are are fit for you to run those times that you've been running, the consistency in which you've been running, Melissa.

So I'm expecting you when you win, when you win,

which you will win, we're going to speak it into, they say there's power in the tongue.

We're going to speak it into existence.

You're going to win and you're going to come back here and we're going to have something very, very special for you on Nightcap.

So when you win the 100 meters.

Come on back and have a conversation with us.

Okay.

All right.

That's the deal.

Melissa, thank you so much.

Thank you for your time.

Appreciate you staying up or getting up early in the morning to have this conversation with us.

You can tell that we are big track fans.

We covered the Olympics.

We're going to cover the world championships.

We didn't get an opportunity to come out to the trials, but moving forward, we will be at the trials.

Hey, Ocho.

In her downtime, she likes playing Call of Duty and say she be, hey, she said, what?

She says she wear a size 14 and she be putting the buttons in gap.

She says she

i do okay okay we're going we're gonna have to run we're at the wrong one we're gonna have the wrong one now we now okay i'll be talking i like it i like it all right

got you

here she is ladies and gentlemen melissa jefferson wooden she's the uh uh u.s uh champ in the 100 meters and the 200 meters she will be representing the u.s in the 100 the 200 and the four by one hey you pick up a fourth goal you jump on that four four by four.

You got that in?

Ooh, listen.

If they want to win, they should leave me off of it this year.

I'm just being honest.

I'm just being honest.

Melissa, congratulations on all your success.

Stay healthy, and we look forward to talking to you real soon.

Thank you for joining us.

Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Take care.

Man, Ocho.

I was hot, OJo.

man i got man i don't know what it is anytime anytime don't nothing get anytime you talk about track boy you be a boy you go you see when we talk about don't nothing excite me football basketball nothing excites me like tracking so see how you get how you get with track and field when we talk about soccer boxing

soccer boxing

if one more thing

soccer boxing yeah that's about it soccer box but i

guess i don't know i don't know what it is oh you're i think it's the the fact of you know being the next track athlete and knowing what you put in because guess what ocho you can't rely on nobody else it's you

it's you and then you can't be mad at the results you didn't get for the work you didn't put in you heard what she said i heard a guy the other day he said motivation and discipline He said, what happens on the days that you're not motivated?

Are you disciplined?

Think about that.

On the day, motivation and discipline, they're very different things because you're not going to always be motivated, but will you stay disciplined?

I'm still get up when you don't want to.

Studying, watching track and feel for as long as I have and studying this young and watching this young lady run, Ocho, I don't know if the chat realize how impressive what she just did is.

I don't think they understand the gravity or the magnitude of her running the time she ran, what she's done.

She's put herself in a very, very elite company.

Very, very elite.

She's fit.

She's going to have the people in the race to lose from the Ivory Coast, the St.

Lucian Junior offering, those two great Brits, Daryl Nita and Dina Asher Smith.

Shakari,

look, they're going to, the women are going to be there.

I believe the conditions, the favorable conditions, if she can get a 1.5 to 1.8

and she can get out like she got out today, she's going to, she's not the difference here, Ocho, you got rounds.

So

hopefully she doesn't get anybody that hopefully she can just like, you know, just get, because all you want to do is get through.

All you're trying to do is get through.

You're trying to, you're trying to not, you're trying to expel as little energy as you possibly can.

Because now when it comes to final, I'm emptying the tank.

With the conditions that she's in, the fitness,

she can go, she can run,

she can run low 10-6 or high-10-5,

which only two women have ever done that: Elaine Thompson-Hara and Flojo, the great Flojo.

If you look at the field, if you look at the field that she'll be running against,

you might not have a choice but to run that.

Oh, yeah,

that UT, that horn, that long horn, Julian Alfred from St.

Lucia.

Oh, oh,

I can't get it.

But I saw, Ocho, I saw her when she beat her

something.

And she was giggling.

And she's like, yeah, it's that confidence, Ocho.

That is the reigning Olympic champ.

She got out.

Catch him if you can.

That's joke.

She knows

that's the type of race she's going to have to run.

Man, man, ooh, man, I can't wait for the Ocho.

Come on.

Come on, L.

J.

Bring it home.

Come on.

Tokyo.

September 13th through the 21st.

Right around the corner.

Right around the corner.

I'm just hoping she can hold on to that fitness for another month.

Hold on to that fitness.

Hold on.

Cause, hey.

That's going to be a race.

Better.

I can't wait.

We got stuff for.

Hey, Jamaicans, y'all want some of this?

Yeah.

Y'all remember what we did to y'all last time?

I told y'all what we were going to do.

Going to do it again, too.

I don't know about the man, Kushane.

Kushane, but who?

What?

Kushane Thompson.

They played.

If there was another 10 meters, Noah would come in to get him.

But see, that's the thing.

In order for Noah to have a chance, he's got to get closer to him.

He's got to be closer to him because Noah is a a 200-meter specialist.

And see, that was Usain.

Usain started out as a 200-meter specialist and he was giving up too much ground.

He'd run out of meters before the race was over.

So now,

once he got his start down, Noah has the endurance.

To come get you later on in the race.

Yeah.

He's got to get out with him.

He's got to get out with him.

He's got to be closer.

Now, you got to realize, Noah hadn't run a whole lot of 100 meters.

He hadn't run a whole lot of 100 meters.

He hadn't run a whole lot of anything this year, actually, to be honest.

But the question is, how fit.

Now, he looked good at the trials.

You know what?

The way he looked at Kenny Boneric.

Kenny came in Thursday, huh?

Yeah, yeah.

But

he's got to be closer.

Because like I said, Ocho, 9-7 ain't catching 9-7.

9-7 can catch 9-8-5 or 9-9.

You ain't catching 9-7.

9-7-9-7, if he get out like that, like he got out,

man,

but I can't wait for Track and Field, man.

Man, I get hype.

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Despite the contract standoff, hold-ins, trade requests, Terry McLaurin will soon be practicing with the commanders.

The team announced today that he has been activated from the pup list ocho could terry removal from the pup list mean contract extension is on the way probably something is looming um

they're almost there it's probably not where it needs to be but the fact that they think they're gonna practice uh is is a good thing uh he'll be able to get two weeks under his belt if i'm not mistaken he'll be able to get two weeks under his belt before he's able to play

before he's able to play in a live game which would be september i'm assuming what september what 7th maybe or 13th

week

what at ocho

what at no in the live game a real game he didn't miss he didn't miss the preseason

oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

not going to play y'all uh week three the last preseason game no so um i'm hoping i'm hoping i i pray once he gets paid No setbacks, no injuries.

It's going to be so different.

It's going to be so different.

The fact that he wasn't able to go through training camp.

And

Ocho, you took the word right out of my mouth.

I'm saying to myself, and I'm thinking to myself, and I say, I know Ocho's thinking this, man, I could not imagine not playing a meaningful game in eight, nine months.

And my first in my first real game is going to be a game.

Man,

I couldn't imagine it, Ocho.

I wouldn't want that.

I wouldn't want that.

No,

honestly, I would tell my agent, listen, if we get this deal done,

I'm going to go practice.

If there's a chance that we're getting this deal done, I'm going to go practice because I need people pushing.

I need people pulling.

I need to be fighting through contact.

Work with this wife, man.

Forget that, man.

Because

I'm telling you, the body will tear up.

The body will tear up trying to go from zero to 100 without putting it through that.

that rigamaro.

That's what I'm going to call it.

I don't even know if that's worth it.

You got to condition your body

for the stresses that it's gonna endure during the season.

In order to run fast, you gotta practice fast.

You hear what she said?

Hey, I wanted to be on the ground.

It's hard.

Would you miss that kind of time, Ocho?

You're not gonna miss that kind of time and just pick right up.

It's just not.

You sit,

and I agree with you.

You kind of like,

You just just hold your breath like, man, please, no soft tissue injury, no soft tissue injuries, please.

No groins, no quads, no hamstring, no, no calves, no adductors, none of that.

Because, like you said, Ocho, you going just like that?

You've been cruising, you've been cruising,

and then all of a sudden, step on the gas,

step on the gas, out the blue.

And what normally happens, something got to give.

Yep.

Man.

But hopefully they can come to an agreement real soon.

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Something Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes have a chance to do.

I mean,

it sounds good, but you want me to tell you

coming out of the AFC this year?

You got to worry about winning your division.

You ain't coming out of nowhere.

Have you noticed the Bengals have been playing in the preseason, right?

Yep.

I just want to make it.

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All I know is when L Jack is on the field, Cincinnati can't win.

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I'm trying to understand why you think about the past.

And this is 20.

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You telling me what

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I know what's going to happen this year.

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Yeah.

Y'all defense still suspect.

Team record after winning the MVP in 2016.

Here's we go.

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What you think the record is going to be?

The Bills?

Yes.

Listen, way, they're gonna be way above 500.

I can tell you that.

Well, that's the way to go out on the limb.

Listen, if I could tell you what the bills record was gonna be, uncle, I go play the lotto because I'm gonna know the numbers.

I, you don't have to be exactly

what I'm saying.

They're gonna be 11 and 6, they're gonna be 12 and 5, 13 and 4, 14 and 3.

I like 12 and 5.

I like 12 and 5.

I definitely,

listen, they knowing them and knowing Josh, especially with the chip he got on his shoulder coming off the MVP season.

Yeah, they might.

I don't know why he got a chip.

Lamar should have a chip.

That's a whole other conversation.

I'm not even going to break that up.

Lamar said they got by MVP and

we should have left out of that with a victory.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

They're going to be good.

I think, man, the goddamn bills are going to be in contention every single year.

As long as you got 17 at the helm, boy.

long as you got 17 at the helm there's going to be there's going to be a team i don't know what team it's going to be

that's going to surprise us because the same the same people the same teams are going to be in a in the hunt this year the same team can be in the in contention

same

good quarterback

because they got the same good quarterback but then there's going to be one team that surprised us Every year, there's a team that comes out of nowhere that plays extremely well.

And I'm going to go out on a limb.

People probably don't laugh at me.

I told you how I felt about the Panthers, right?

Yep.

The Panthers and the Bears.

I think the Panthers and the Bears are going to surprise people.

All right.

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And the reason they call it man's best friend.

That's right.

That's why my boy loves Janet.

And when people mistrust, mistreat me.

Yep.

I feel you.

I see you.

Yeah, I just

don't be doing our daddy like that.

I would love to get a dog, man.

But I just, I told you.

You're going too much.

I know.

Listen, if I get a dog, he's going to fly with me.

He'll be my emotional support animal.

I just, I just,

I can't, I cannot, I cannot.

You tell me stories on Nightcap and I start crying.

If you say the right thing,

when we first started the show, you talk about a dog.

I'm sitting here crying.

You're telling me about a dog that's no longer here that ain't had no

relationship with me and I couldn't take it.

You think I'm going to get a dog

at this age and he passed away and I'm supposed to, oh, hell no.

Man, I can't, I can't imagine being without one.

I can't imagine being without one, Ocho.

All right, we're going to get you out of here on this one, Ocho.

Now it's time for our final segment of the evening, chat.

It's time for Q and A.

I don't see how y'all do it, boy.

Stu Baby Love TV said, Ocho, go to timeout.

You know what Dylan Gabriel meant.

Well,

y'all just wanted to mean that.

Brigitte Maxie said, same coach Lanning who plays golf with Stefanski.

Ocho,

don't downplay nastiness.

Plus, he threw check downs all downs all.

He didn't ball.

East Coast Camp said, Ocho, Ray Charles can see he was throwing shade at your door.

And Skip would say, put your glasses on.

Me Shackle Baltimore say, Maybe the coach said that to him, and he repeated it.

983 made, he's been in college six years.

He's had media training.

We don't care if Bo Nicks was the quarterback.

They share the same coach.

That same language rubbed off on him.

Rubbed on him.

He meant it.

If Shador called the press media entertainers to their face, World War III would have happened.

But Dylan, they say, next question, trade 12.

10-12 down there in New Orleans.

I'll take him.

I love CC26 as he was taking shots at 12, Mr.

Pick 6.

Kurt West said, Dink and Dunk Dylan

look less like effective Jeff, look like a less effective Jeff Garcia in that number five Browns jersey.

Hey, y'all, hey, y'all, a.

Euro Yanaz said, are the Steelers.

They say people so mean?

But they play tonight, man.

They don't play by the

Shador.

Euro Yanaz said, are the Steelers a playoff team?

Hell yeah.

And I'm not saying that because of the goddamn quarterback.

I'm saying that simply because of the defense.

If they play like I know they can play, with the name they got on paper,

man,

absolutely.

Oh Joe, this question is specifically for you.

It says, I love y'all.

Haven't missed an episode.

Any advice for me

reintegrating to

my home after six months tour to my wife now and four-year-old.

I got less than 60 days left.

Not going to lie.

I'm excited.

So how does he, you know, he's been away for six months, Sojo, and he wants to get

reintegrated into his home with his wife and his four month old he wants to know what's the best way to do it what well that's a good one bro that's a good one you you better you better equipped to answer that than me he asked me he asked me

yeah what hey what uh

be creative what be creative be something do something do something Oh, Joe, the man been away for six months.

He tried to get reintegrated in his home.

He's been away for six months on two.

Yeah, that's why I said do something she's not used to you doing.

I don't know what that would be.

You know, you know what your wife likes.

Do something you've never done before.

Something different.

If you've been on tour that long, that means you come home with a little bag.

You know, bring her something nice.

Don't do them flowers.

Don't do them flowers and none of that bullshit.

Do something different.

You know,

it's hard for me to tell you what to do because you married to her, so you know what she likes.

Yeah, don't take my goddamn cheap ass advice.

Shit.

So if you was going, let's let's see uh the cambodian queen

you going away for six months yeah yeah

you go to wait my baby yeah she watching too hey hey honey

how you so how you how you come back how you how you come back and it reintegrate you know y'all got a kid let's just say y'all don't but if you had a kid four years

we had kid we having twins but go ahead i'll let you

we having twins go ahead

how that so how you how would you go about

right there um i like that i like that and and especially when it comes to stuff like that, I'm very creative, huh?

I'm very creative.

Like, the first thing I'm thinking about right now, too, they have,

I've been gone for six months.

You've been home with the kids.

I got to take you somewhere nice.

I got to take you somewhere nice.

That's where we're going.

Somewhere nice.

You know where I want to go, huh?

I want to go to Saudi Arabia, right?

They have a resort.

Bro, you just got from overseas.

You tried to turn turn around and go back overseas.

Yeah, well, I need to get out the states, huh?

I need to get out the states.

Now, I'm thinking of somewhere nice.

He hadn't been.

Now they just got these new resorts in Saudi Arabia.

Stay with me, real quick, huh?

I forgot, I can't remember the name of them.

They look like,

you know, Star Wars, right?

Yeah.

It's like these, they almost look like Star Wars spaceships in the middle of the ocean.

Literally, I'm assuming they

built it themselves.

I was just googling it too, huh?

Ocho, you just come off, seem like what is a deployment?

Are you meaning to tell me you're going to turn around and go back?

Absolutely.

I'm going to say, well, nice, huh?

And when you see it,

when I find the link, ocho, you going overseas

on a military salary.

Me?

Yes.

You limit my money, man.

Why are you going to limit my money?

Because he's in the military.

His money is limited.

Oh, shit.

Damn.

Okay, now come on now

but now you give me hype you're giving me hypotheticals and then you hypothetically limited my goddamn funds

because hypothetically his funds are limited well hell there's only so much you can do

okay

let him ball out on the budget first of all maybe maybe maybe have someone you know i i understand you probably want to see the kid spend some time with the kid but maybe have your mom have a grandma or a family member take the kid and y'all go good and get a little steak.

What?

Hey,

Shabara Resort.

Shabara, a chat.

Chat.

Hey, look at that chat.

Shabara.

S-H-E-B-A-R-A Resort.

That's, that's, that's where I would go.

But

I got some bar.

I got Sabara pizza money.

That's what I got.

Sabar.

You remember in the mall, how they have S-B-A-R-R-O?

That pizza place in the mall?

That's the kind of money I got.

So that place, I ain't going.

I guarantee you like it when you check it out.

Oh, I believe it.

Derek, guarantee.

I guarantee I won't like it when I check it out.

Because you know why?

Because when I check out and I see that bill, I ain't going to.

It ain't number 2,000 tonight.

And you done been, you listen.

You done flew private.

Ask Ash to show it to you.

Ask Jordan to show it to you.

Yeah, that's like that.

Hey, Chad, tell me what y'all think, chat.

Shabbar Resort.

Oh, Jordan said he might have some money because he get a housing allowance.

What does he get?

A grocery allowance and a per diem.

So he might have a little money stashed.

Yeah, it's not that much.

It's starting at $2,400.

What is SAR?

$9,000.

What is SAR?

What's $9,000?

I mean, it says SAR in front of it, but then it

says 9,000.

It's all together.

I don't know, man.

That's your resort.

Don't worry about it.

that's that's where i'm going man i'm thinking about it i'm i'm i'm i'm ready to go now

oh i cursed my bad bro i think the thing is that the first thing you do you come home you hug your wife you tell her how much you love her you tell her how much you miss her and how much you happy to be home be back on on on american soil

uh

get her pregnant again

oh lord have mercy your child you got a four-year-old he

He or she's going to be excited to see dad, which they haven't seen in a very, very, in six months.

To them, six months is six years.

So I don't really know how much, you know, you know,

you haven't been, you haven't been around her in a long time.

She haven't been around you in a long time.

She's gotten into a routine.

You've kind of gotten into a routine.

And so you got to kind of

reintegrate yourself without stepping on each other, without getting in each other's way, because

you've been without each other for six months.

Man, listen, man, get back in there, man.

Have another child, man.

Hello, have mercy.

Man, that ain't the answer to everything.

I'm sorry.

Hey, Uncan Ocho, please wish my wife, Carrie, happy anniversary.

11 years of marriage and 16 years together.

P.S.

Ocho, take your time.

You'll be blessed.

Carrie.

Epry underscore 1990 wants to wish you a happy wedding anniversary.

Y'all have been married for 11 years, a little over a decade, but you guys have been together for 16 years.

That's a feat in and of itself.

So congratulations.

Hopefully you get another 16 years together and these 16 will be even better than the previous 16.

has has baby dogs.

Ocho has the baby french fry.

Anyone who has a problem needs to go play on the road during rush hour.

Yes, I love my dogs and Ocho love French fry.

And because she hadn't been around, she hadn't probably seen Ocho.

She like, hey, I want to, hey, it's my time to shine.

Hey, you know the game tomorrow, right?

I'm playing on CBS, man.

Oh, the big three.

Make sure you tune in.

So

we're not on the show tomorrow, huh?

Yeah, we got the show tomorrow at seven, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

Seven day.

Oh, yeah.

We're on it tomorrow at eight.

Oh yeah.

Y'all see what I

that

boy KS just responded, man, you answer.

Oh, you're going to have my wife hating me.

You're right.

You're right.

Yeah, bro, just take your time.

It's been a minute since you guys have been together.

Hey, spend some quality time.

Just let her know how much you miss her.

The kid,

I don't know if it's a boy or a girl.

Spend some time and hey, ask what you want to do.

Hey, maybe she's going to have, maybe she's going to have her side of the family come pick the baby up.

Maybe you have your side of the family come pick together up.

And y'all just spend some time together.

Just kick it in.

Oh, Joe, my questioning

is: what would it be like if Michael Jackson and Prince did a song together back in the 90s?

Woo!

Woo!

They couldn't.

Why not?

Who gonna sing first?

I'm just being real.

Who sang it first?

They would have worked it out.

If I'm not mistaken, there's a clip where Prince, Michael Jackson, asked Prince to be in

Was it beat it?

He said no.

He said, first of all,

he says,

your ass is mine.

You're not finna say that to me.

And I'm not finna say that to you.

So

the song ain't going anywhere.

I got you.

I got you.

I got you.

So again,

who's singing first?

It was one thing to get them to compilation together to sing, we are the world.

I don't know if you remember that 1985.

We are the world.

Okay, that's one thing, but you're talking about Michael Jackson and Prince.

Who's singing first on the song, Ocho?

I got you.

Michael's a legend.

Prince is a legend.

You would think two people

of that magnitude would be able to work as one.

Oh, you think?

And you think they, you think they got that way doing that, huh?

Is that how you that's what you're thinking?

Okay, I didn't think so.

you do

only only only jesus and santa claus is bigger than michael jackson yeah

and he did it with no social media

no internet oh he didn't he didn't need it could you imagine

mj

the original mj there've been a lot of mj since but he is the og

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