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Giants.

Oh, Joe, jump right into it.

The Giants beat the Patriots.

Jackson Dart shined in his rookie preseason.

His numbers across all three weeks, he was 32 of 47, 372 yards, four total touchdowns, zero interceptions.

Ocho, I told you, he's going to be starting sooner than you think.

Wait, wait, wait.

He's going to learn one thing, Ocho.

What is that?

Get your ass down.

Them guys heavy and they fast.

He going to learn fast.

He going to learn very fast.

But you have to understand, you say he's going to start sooner, rather sooner than later.

I do believe it.

And that's to say, if Russell Wilson doesn't play well, but I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has around him.

Listen, you put that ball in Uno's hands, everything going to be fine.

Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't going to be fine.

I don't think there's much pressure on Russell Wilson.

And

if they're going to give him the job, I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Dart starts next year.

I don't believe that.

You don't think so?

No.

Not the way this rookie played this preseason.

And, Ocho, you see the way he moved in the pocket.

You see the throws that he's making.

Oh, he can move now.

He's nice.

He's nice.

He is.

And what that you and I go do, we're going to give credit where it's due now.

If you play bad, we're going to say you play bad.

But if you play good, we're going to say, hey, man, get your popcorn, watch this kid.

I mean, his command of the offense, I mean, his ability to push the ball down the field.

His ability, he's scrambling, and then all of a sudden, he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back.

Wham.

Throws it to the back.

I said,

you should just, you sure for a rookie?

Rookies don't normally play like that.

He plays with a lot of points.

He plays a big time arm.

He'll throw, push the ball.

I like guys that push the ball down the field.

All that short fishing.

You ain't going to catch no big fish around the edge.

The big fish are ID.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know, to get themselves in rhythm, get the rhythm, they'll start short just to build, just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking it taking a deep shot.

I remember, um, I think what was it, maybe last week, it might have been last week.

It was third, it was third and shorter, maybe, maybe they went for it on fourth down, and he threw the goddamn deep ball.

Yes, throwing it short for a touchdown.

Yep,

and who else, guess what, Ocho?

Who else knows that you're a rookie that you're probably not going to push that ball downfield early, and you're going to stare around the shore, decoordinators.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they tell in their corner, they tell him to crowd it.

See it, see it, yeah.

Because

they think it like you think it, right?

Yeah, coach.

First of all, coach ain't gonna call anything.

He don't want to get too exotic, he wants to let him warm up.

We're gonna let him throw a smoke, let him throw an owl, let him throw a slant.

Sit,

hey,

itch.

They're gonna go get that ball every time.

Uh, but no,

I love what I've seen.

I don't want to get,

but I think Brian Dayball and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason.

How can you not?

Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean look.

Like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that son.

Right.

Get your ass down.

Get down or get out of bounds.

You got two choices.

You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds.

Yeah, one of the other.

Or

we're going to come put your ass on the car and you're gonna go in the tent because you see what happened with what happened ojo yeah they came and got him and they put his took his ass to the tent yeah but look listen um

based on his play this preseason bangles i'm talking about bangles i'm just thinking about my damn bangles giants fan giants organization the t his teammates they have to be very pleased yeah very

pleased with what they saw from jackson thorough but also i want to be very cautious now very cautious now this is, you got to understand who he was going against.

Now, when the regular season starts, it's a different ball game out there, huh?

Oh, for sure.

Hey, it's not going to be sweet, not going to be.

It ain't no vanilla.

It's going to give you a lot.

Hey, they go, hey, oh, yo, they're going to give you a lot of swirls.

Hey, you go to Basket Robbins.

It ain't flavors.

It's coverages you're going to get.

It ain't 31 flavors.

It's 31 coverages.

Hey, it's a different ball game.

It is.

It is.

It absolutely is.

The intensity picks up.

The urgency picks up this the coaches all that all that oh hey the coaches they explaining things to you in a nice calm tone that gets shot the window yeah

hey and that's what uh uh uh uh one of the coaches told me my rookie year you know we still cut

just because it's the season that don't mean you can't get cut right

sometimes you know sometimes guys relax don't show oh man made it out of trading cap

they'll cut you week one all the way a all the way through to week 17, 18.

Even a, I've seen guys get cut in the postseason.

Yeah, it could be your day.

Damn, in the postseason?

Well, look here,

man, we are a

boy, look here.

They don't play Ocho.

Look,

you know what?

It might have been like, it might not have been the postseason, you know, practice squad guy or something like that.

But I've seen, but I'm talking about vet guys late in the season.

Oh man, that's Mike Shannon had in play.

That's tough.

It wasn't no loafing, it wasn't no walking.

When he said, hey,

I don't know how y'all did it, Ocho, but when we changed drills,

oh, you had to get a move on.

Got a little pepper.

Got to have a little pep in your step, huh?

Nobody walks but the mailman.

That's why he doesn't make what you make.

You run to where you got to go.

I like that.

Okay.

I like that.

All right.

Okay.

Some people don't understand that.

And that's no disrespect to the mailman.

Hey, you guys do an unbelievable job.

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Although you done kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers, they dabbed it up, put y'all out of business.

But

this kid, Jackson Dart, Ocho.

Oh, yeah.

I like what I'm seeing.

Now, I'm like you.

I want to see him against some real competition.

Yeah.

Hey, when you go,

you got to make those alignments, those adjustments.

Yes.

Defenses, I mean, linemen are stunning.

Defense are disguising what they really want to do.

And at the same time,

you might think it's cover one, or you might think it's cover three, and all of a sudden it goes.

It go to two.

Oh, man,

it's so good.

They go to quarter, they go to seven, they go to six, they go to six kick.

Hey, have

you go to cover five?

Have your brain out there fried?

Yep, clouding it.

Yeah, yeah.

Them jokes be out there

banjoing it, banjoing.

But I, hey, I was looking, because you know, I'll be trying to look, hey, because that was Wade.

They be out there doing this right here.

That means they banjoing.

That means they're going to double somebody.

I'm like, it never really dawned on me that what the sick, you know, I'm just out there like, what the hell they doing?

Right, right, right.

Or, you know, you see them do that locking it.

Hey, so I just got a kick.

I just got a kick out of that when people say, hey, man, it don't matter.

It don't matter

if you know what to do.

The hell you say,

you let me know y'all gonna be a cover for

let me know y'all gonna be a quarter of single high safety

or six kick.

The hell you say,

man please but uh tommy devito oh cho tommy devito yeah 17 to 20 buck 93 three tuds

jackson dark came in six to twelve eighty one yards a tub

jameis winster came in four eight mop up 47 and a tud listen we thought we this might be the second team we talk about a team carrying four quarterbacks this might be another team that might carry four I don't think so, Ocho.

Yeah,

because you know why?

Because

who's our man?

Jameis is making 4 million.

Russ is making good money.

Russ is making how much money, Ash?

10, 15?

See, it's not like Cleveland.

Because what you call only making 5 million.

Kenny Pickett's making what he's making.

And then you got two rookies.

Okay.

So, so what you're saying?

What you saying?

Who's the odd man out then?

Oh, so he got one year, 10, 5.

Which is probably as much as

Flacco and Pickett making together.

And then you throw Jameis's 4 million a year, because I think he did two years, $9 million, so $4.5 million.

So you're looking at $15 million between two quarterbacks.

So I mean, I mean,

so who?

I don't think...

You think they keep, you think they keep Tommy?

Well, obviously, you know, they're not getting rid of Jackson Darr.

You think they keep Tommy DeVito?

Or they release him and try to sign him back to the practice squad?

Probably sign him back to the practice squad, but

I see them doing the same thing that the Browns are probably going to do.

for some reason.

For some reason, I just do.

And then we talked about Jameis Winston.

You heard, you heard a personnel or

was that the owner that came out and said, Absolutely not.

He's not going nowhere.

Yeah, I'm talking about Jameis Winston.

You're talking about Mara, John Mara?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

but great lock, great locker room presence, great team guy.

I knew, I knew he knew James wasn't going nowhere,

Absolutely not.

But 4210, you don't want to go out on the note like that, but you know, Ocho, you and I, we talked about this earlier this week.

Unfortunately,

a lot of kids' dreams, I say kids,

they're old enough to be my kids.

Yeah.

Old enough to be, they're young enough.

Well, let me take that back.

They're young enough to be our kids.

I'm pretty sure I'm older than most of their moms and dads.

But with that being said, a lot of these young men's dreams come to an end tonight.

Some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else.

Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, play in the UFL.

But for a lot of them, Mocho, the realization that this is over,

something I've been doing since I was seven, eight years old,

did it at the Pee Wee level, did it at the JV level, high school level, college level, my dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.

Yeah.

that's tough.

Because this is probably the first time, Ocho,

that someone has told these young men, you're not good enough.

Think about it.

They've always been the best.

Yeah.

They were the best on their Pop Warner.

They were best on their flag football team, their JV football team, their high school basketball, a football team, their college.

And then

it's a numbers game.

You're not good enough.

That's the realization of it.

Oh, Joe, that's the realization of it.

I mean,

Chad, I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles.

That last game, that last preseason game.

And your name is on the board to be released.

My name was on the board to be released.

Hold on.

Let me tell you.

Let me tell you.

What about the last preseason game?

I'm talking about what we were playing.

The last preseason game, I remember

I would be walking in and the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was Lippy, Lippincott.

I don't know if he's still with the Bengals or not.

And I would always come in early after the preseason game and come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub,

get my body back rejuvenated and fresh.

And I would see Lippy standing there right at the door

and just thinking to myself, man.

So he he collecting the playbook and letting them know to go up and see the coach yep before the meetings even start i'm like man that's tough man and then hard knocks hard knocks hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see yeah people actually you know get cut and how business and that how that side of it works and it's it's is is

as heartbreaking as sad that it is Yeah, it's the reality of the game.

That's reality.

We got to show you both sides.

You just see the guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, the camaraderie on the field, in the meeting rooms, and things like that.

But there's another side to this.

That somebody, some young man, men,

their dreams,

this dream is not going to come true.

And you have to reshift, refocus.

A lot of it, you know.

You're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress.

So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men's lives.

So it, you know, some, you know, a

structure is not their strong suit because they do everything they can, oh cho the buck

against it.

But most

of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in a structured environment for the better part of your life.

And so it should be, you know,

if you go back and go into the workforce, the actual nine to five,

you know you got to be to work at a certain time.

You know the task that you're asked to do.

You just go get it done.

Yeah.

But that's the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing.

And that's the thing, you know, for every Ocho Cinco and a Shannon Sharp or Sterling Sharp or somebody that came of the less than favorable or impoverished conditions.

Yeah.

There are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL, Ocho.

Yeah.

That got the opportunity that you and I got, and that was as far as they got, was training camp.

Yeah.

That's tough, man.

It is.

It is.

I think it's a good thing.

I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see

the entire process, not just the finished product on Sundays.

Right.

Actually see what players have to go through.

The sweat, the tears,

the being on pins and needles, the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason, knowing that, okay, I have two or three games where I have to make a name for myself.

If not here, maybe somewhere else, if I don't make it here, no, that's tough.

It is tough because then also you got to do everything you want to do.

You want to be perfect.

And most of the time, when you press and you try to be perfect, what's the one thing you always do?

You mess up.

Mess up.

You mess up.

You can never play freely.

I mean, you're at your best when you're playing freely without nothing to worry about.

Now you got to go try to learn a new offense, a new defense.

But here's the thing, Ocho.

There's 2,000, 3,000 applicants for that four or five jobs.

How many wide receivers are going to get released?

How many tight ends?

How many offensive linemen?

How many running backs?

How many quarterbacks?

DBs, D-linemen, linebackers, corners, safeties.

safeties.

So you got 2,000 applicants, probably got 10, 15 positions.

Damn.

And that goes to show how

great the 1%

is.

Yeah.

How great the 1% is.

Yes.

You think about how many kids graduate each year from high school.

Yeah.

Now think about how many of those go to college to play a sport.

Now, just think in four to five years, how many of them get an opportunity to go play at the next level in said sport?

Now you understand what you're dealing with.

Very small percentage.

There's only a 53-man roster.

Now, you think about it, a 53-man roster of

a million kids that graduated.

So, let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say a half a million of them got men.

Right

Out of 500,000,

when you realize how special you got to be to be a professional athlete,

forget, obviously, there's some, you know, obviously basketball is even harder because, guess what, Ocho?

You got fewer slots.

Yeah,

baseball is even harder because you got few.

There's only 15 spots on the basketball team, Ocho.

Yeah.

You only got 15, but you only got 15 players.

That's crazy.

Think about it.

You're starting offense, you're starting defense, you got 22.

That's more than an entire basketball team.

Baseball, you got 29.

That's 24.

That's 24 less than a football team.

So you see, as the percentage, as the players go down, yeah,

so does the percentages of you making it.

I'm just telling you what it is, Ocho.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, listen, it's the harsh truth.

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Defensive Live suffered a potentially significant loss to rookie first-rounder Derek Harmon, who was carted off the field with a knee injury and quickly ruled out.

Mike Tomlin told reporters that he has a sprained knee and the injury is still being evaluated.

I think, Ocho,

that's kind of why, you know, you don't see a lot of the key guys play.

Maybe they just didn't voice it.

But

the guys, I don't remember the coaches being concerned like that.

Because they threw our ass out there, Ocho.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, they weren't concerned.

They weren't concerned.

And

I mean, listen, it's football at the end of the day.

It's football.

No matter what.

And if someone, to me, honestly, the way I think, if someone is going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt.

It's inevitable.

You can't.

People get hurt going full speed.

It's a contact sport.

You can protect a player all you want, but when it's time to play football, if they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt.

You can't protect or stop that.

You can.

Okay, I'm going to hold you out in preseason.

You can go out there in the regular season and still get hurt the same way.

Right.

So you might as well just get out there and just play football.

No, Ocho, it used to be football is a collision sport.

Yeah.

Because you got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed.

That was me.

That was me.

And

Merlin Olson, I think, once said, football is a lot like nuclear warfare.

There are no winners, only survivors.

I was surviving.

If I don't know if you saw that, I read that article that they did.

And when they interviewed, I think guys was guys that

got drafted in 1998, in 1988.

It was a two years for you.

Two years.

So guys that came in in 88, their average age is about 62, Ocho.

All of them.

Something hurts, memory loss,

get agitated, X, Y, and Z.

Nine out of ten say they do it all over again.

People ask me, know what you know now.

Right.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

You think I would?

Man, please.

Man, please.

And

matter of fact, I'm just thinking about it.

If I had the opportunity to do it all over again, knowing what I know now, I would have added some more to it.

I would have added some more.

A little seasoning,

a little parsley oh man i would man i would listen hey paul tagleboo and roger gadell think i gave them hell if i not what i know now

man please to be the

if i could go back and do it over again

Knowing what I know now,

I would have enjoyed it more.

Oh, instead of being so serious

yeah i was so tunnel vision i was so focused

all i thought about was somebody taking my job my grandmother not being able to do what she did not being able that's it i i i didn't enjoy the journey i was just

i tried

but it would keep me off the destination yeah I would get sidetracked.

So that's what I would do different OJo.

If I could do it.

But obviously, I can't.

That's why they say you're supposed to live a life with no regret.

I don't regret it, but I would do knowing what you know now, that's the magnificent science of hindsight.

Yes.

Knowing today what you didn't know yesterday is that

I would definitely do it different.

But

first-round pick, Derek Harmon, knee injury.

Being evaluated, Mike Thomas say he will be evaluated.

Ocho, Jerry Jones just can't help himself.

Take a listen listen to what Jerry told Micah Irving about the Micah Parsons situation.

They're in here to make their percentage.

They're in here to

basically, yes, advise Micah.

Advise Micah.

Come over to the office and I'll show you exactly what I offered Micah.

We've got it in the back.

It's with all written down, everything to go.

Come down and look at that.

Get over there and see that.

You can sure look at it.

You can sure absolutely look at it.

Here's my entire point.

My point.

Who is it that basically says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together for an agreement, but absolutely, who is it

that can go with it?

And so the facts are,

I don't know that I've ever been around.

I've never tried to buy anything.

I've never tried to do anything

that I actually was going to bring all of the services and somebody else was going to do all the money.

But because the in-between guy wasn't exactly the guy that I had fit there, that kept you from doing the deal.

That's exactly what's happening here.

So many times in this, in

this industry.

Oh, Joe.

Yeah.

What you didn't hear him say is what I've been telling you.

He said Michael parsons under contract for three more years oh yeah

so that tells you he's under contract this year and i got two franchise tags i'm not afraid to use them yeah yeah he said the quiet part finally out loud yeah well listen he says a lot of things out loud that that are supposed to be supposed to remain quiet i also heard some things that he said listen to that i saw i saw uh a clip on Twitter uh Jerry Jones saying that uh David,

how do you say is the agent's last name mugaleta mugaleta mugaletta said he told him he could take the contract and show it and uh i heard ryan clark respond to that because ryan obviously called dave the ass right did you tell jerry that and obviously he said everything jerry's is saying it wasn't true it was a lie and this is one of the tactics that jerry uses Yes.

Which is one of the ways that he continues to fool fans in general, just in general.

And he has everybody on their side by coming out and saying, I gave Micah a contract that was going to make him the highest paid at his position, a non-quarterback.

But, Jerry, at what point

do owners do deals with the player?

Jerry, that's not business, right?

That's not how that's business.

Oh, Joe, I'll give you a prime example, Jerry.

Just like you guys have Roger Goodale,

he's the mouthpiece for the owners.

Right.

We understand that he works at the behest of the owners.

That's why I don't get mad at Roger Goodell.

Everybody get mad at Roger Goodell and say, man, Roger did this.

Roger did nothing that those 32 owners didn't want him to do.

Yeah, exactly.

When he got, because y'all remember when he got mad at, when Jerry got mad at Roger for suspending Zeke, they had already approved his financial package.

Jerry held it up.

All the banks banks said, We already approved this.

We're not now, we're not doing this, Jerry.

Jerry said, I want to know why the man.

Jerry had already signed off on it.

All the owners had already signed off on it that needed to sign off on it.

But Jerry got mad because Rogers suspended Zeke.

Yeah,

Jerry held the package up.

And

they used to have a big six:

Jerry Jones, Mr.

Kraft,

Daniel Snyder, a few other guys.

They kind of,

that was Rogers' right hand.

Right.

They kind of ran the show.

All the owners, you know, age, 32.

But, you know, some has a little bit more influence than others.

Yeah.

A little bit more power.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm not surprised.

I don't know why, Jerry.

Michael, that's why you have to be careful.

See, you went in there thinking you're just, hey, you doing something, a little leadership he started talking numbers jerry think y'all got a deal you just think you guys talking about leadership and a what you need to do to get better

and you know what you know what's funny you know what the owner is gonna always do they're gonna always lowball you too now yeah they're gonna always lowball you and the fact that micah parsons as smart as he may be as smart as he may be

When it comes to that contracts and that fine print and that language,

well, you don't know nothing about that.

If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Ocho, if you wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Richard Sherman ended up doing it, uh, Lamar and his mom ended up doing it.

I think they had an attorney, somebody read over the fine print, say, Okay, this blah, blah, blah.

Okay, that's fine.

That's true, but Michael hasn't given no indication.

Well, if that's the because Michael, I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think he's been with athletes first

since he came out.

Right.

You know, Michael's got an agent, yeah.

But you try to circle, excuse me,

you tried to circumvent the agent.

So you tried, so in other words, he tried to do a back alley deal, a back door deal, Ojo.

But you can't do that.

That's bad business.

Jerry Jerry.

First of all, the NFL, it's the NFL and the NFL PA's fault because Jerry knows he's not supposed to negotiate contracts.

He knows that.

But the NFL PA, with their weak asses, allow it.

The NFL that that's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll sue him just like Al Davis.

Wait.

So they let him do it.

Wait.

Jerry will sue who?

The E-League.

How the hell he gonna sue?

The same way Jerry Jones is the only owner, the only thing that

he's a part of the,

what they call it, revenue sharing.

The TV.

He has his own merchandise deal.

With everybody with Coke, he's with Pepsi.

With everybody with Reebok, he's with Nike.

Hey, but

he runs his own program, man.

That's how Al Davis used to be.

And you know what?

The game that he's playing right now, it lets me know because I got it's fans all over Twitter, too.

See, see, Jerry's gonna make Micah the highest paid, and they really don't understand the game he's playing.

Fans don't understand.

No,

they're falling for it.

So let me get this straight.

Because he said, like, come on, man.

How much is a Miles Garrett guaranteed?

So, without even knowing, because at the time, Miles Garrett contract wasn't done.

Right,

TJ Watt contract wasn't done.

The highest paid with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa.

So, you mean to tell me, sight unseen,

he was willing to go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett?

Miles Garrett got 124 million guaranteed.

What was Nick Nick Bosa's guarantee?

Because at the time,

because Nick Bosa, so Nick Bosa, then Max Crosby, then Nane Hunter.

What's the total?

So 140.

So Miles Gary got 140 or 160.

40 a year, 124.

4 for 160.

Those are about 5 for 170.

Bosa got five for 170, which is about 30, about 34 million a year then, if my math serves me correctly.

Okay.

I'm just

hey, boy, Jerry shout out, boy.

Jerry tried to hit Micah with a little banana in the tailpipe.

And you see what he does?

You see what he did, Ocho?

He put it out there.

Like you said, and fans, look at Micah.

Look what he got up there.

TBD.

Ain't that what it says?

Oh, he put up a little prayer.

Micah, Micah 7-8.

He said, Even if I fall, I will rise.

The Lord is my light.

Hey, that's man.

Micah getting biblical.

Hey, and you know it's serious.

You know it's serious when you start going

to the scriptures.

he removed all cowboy stuff from his social oh he did yeah hold on hold on i ain't i ain't see that

look i know david i know his agent a little bit spoke to him um i don't speak to him as much now but i used to speak to him fairly a fairly decent amount this doesn't sound like him

now

I don't want to be I don't want to be the one that says what a person will or won't say Ocho but I'm just saying in my interactions with him,

he doesn't come off as that type of person to me.

Right.

Jerry is trying to sway public opinion.

Yeah.

Put that out there.

Hey, the public, hey, Micah being greedy.

Micah ain't no team play.

Micah's not a team player.

Because if he's a team player, he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else, blah, blah, blah.

And it's working.

Because they listen, they eating it up.

Yep.

they eat it up not knowing that's the game

that's the that's the game and they they don't they don't see it that way they just see it one it's one-sided because if you're a cowboy fan

you're loaded you're a cowboy fan you're not a michael parson you're a michael parsons fan because he plays for the cowboys

so therefore if he goes somewhere else

yeah

it's oh man it's it's it's crazy it's crazy it is it's a game game and jerry knows how to play it very well yes because he's been playing it longer than Michael

Micah's 26 Jerry on the Cowboys since 1989 so that in and of itself plus Jerry Jones has been a businessman he knows business

that's why that's why Micah hired an agent

you hire people that know what you don't And you know what the funny thing is when it comes to

this kind of business with this kind of money,

it's not fair.

It's not fair.

And negotiations

will expose people for who they truly are and how they really feel about you when it comes to who you think your value is.

Right.

Well, damn, that's how you really feel about me?

Well, hell, Jerry already said, already let Micah know how you feel about you.

He said, what you see in your mind, he said it out loud.

He said it.

Okay.

Oh, Joe.

okay, what you what y'all agree?

Y'all agree to ain't no ink on no paper.

No,

no,

oh Joe, did you realize that at one point in time, Google tried to sell itself?

Google tried to sell itself for a billion.

They said, nah, we good.

I think it was y'all who said, nah, that's too much.

Realized they made a mistake, came back, tried to buy them again.

They said, nah.

Okay,

it wasn't no ink on no no paper.

Right.

Who's that bought YouTube?

Meta bought YouTube.

Who bought you?

Google.

Google bought YouTube, oh yo.

Yeah.

For little or nothing.

Google, how much YouTube revenue it generates for Google.

Every 21 days, just Google that.

Wait,

what I put?

See how much Google paid to buy YouTube.

Now see how much money YouTube generates in

advertising.

Google acquired YouTube in 2006 for 1.6

billion.

Okay.

1.6 billion.

Not Google.

How much money Google generates in advertising revenue?

Just every 21 days.

What the fuck?

Oh, okay.

How much are you?

265 billion.

Okay.

Golly

yesterday's price ain't today's price.

Man, Google had a

96.5 billion fourth quarter revenue.

Not the first three, the fourth quarter.

That's a different world.

That's a different world, boy.

Yep.

That's a whole different world.

Now you see what I'm getting at.

Yeah.

So, Jerry, what you thought the price was in March, his name wasn't on no contract.

That ain't what the price is in August, September.

But I told you what he's going to do.

I said, oh, Joe, the problem that he has, that's why the first thing I said, get away with the franchise tag.

Oh, yeah.

You want the money to go up exponentially?

Get away with the franchise.

Do away with the franchise tax.

Yep.

That should be the first thing gone.

First.

And the second should be the goddamn health

lifetime benefits.

Yep.

Health benefits.

And then we'll work on the guaranteed contracts last.

But

in that specific order.

You can't have free agents if somebody still controls your right.

I can franchise you.

No.

No.

But hopefully

Micah and the Cowboys get this thing worked out.

He gets a number that

he feels comfortable with and everybody's happy with.

Because

that's what it comes down to.

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We got two-time Pro Bowl cornerback from the Chicago Bears, Jalen Johnson.

JJ, what'd it do?

What's up, what it been, dog?

How you living?

Man, I'm doing great, man.

How are you living?

I'm good.

I ain't gonna lie to you.

I'm tired as hell.

Hold on, hold on.

Y'all have problems.

Y'all got a game tomorrow.

Y'all game tomorrow or Saturday?

Tomorrow.

We in in KC right now.

Oh, okay.

But y'all, man,

it's slow boogie now.

Yeah, no, it's slow boogie.

You gotta have that steak dinner, though.

I got the hottest.

I done got out the shower and everything.

I'm ready to go.

Oh, you

ready to lay it down?

Okay, look.

The Bears defense.

Ocho and we saw you guys the other night.

Yeah.

You guys were flying around.

Offense looked really good.

Defense was getting after people.

What have you been most important?

What has Ben Johnson coming over from the Lions, what has he been able to steal because instilling you guys?

Because you guys look different.

I know it's preseason and

I don't want to get too carried away, Jay, but you guys look different.

You guys look different.

I think the message is different.

Honestly speaking, I feel like it's one of those things where talking to him personally and listening to him in the team meetings,

it's like he's one of us talking.

And when he gets up there, it's not like, okay, yeah, we're going to go out here.

We're going to execute.

And it's like, nah, it's just about whooping the guys in front of you, like really like dominating and instilling like your will.

And I think really just preaching that, that goes a long way.

Cause I mean, I feel like even in Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys, but they had a lot of guys that had grit, as they like to say over there, and guys that worked hard that are tough and things like that.

So it's like him.

that that that fits him so just really coming for us and i mean even dennis allen he he's telling defense damn near we live every day in practice so just really that mentality as far as going and playing physical is like really just honestly overdoing it really is a thing that

we think of really in the defensive room.

And really what we say is like toe the line, toe the line between going too far and

really pushing the limits.

Have you been able to tell a difference in Caleb Williams, the way he commands the offense, the way he's playing with Ben Johnson after him, calling the plays?

Is he carrying himself with a little bit more confidence as opposed to how he did last year?

Can you sense that a little bit in camp?

Yeah, for sure.

I think really before camp con coming in of course off the rookie year it was it was tough the losing streak the instability and all the drama that came with of course this first year so i mean really just coming into that second year having all that adversity really under your belt there's really no worse that you can do i feel like outside of what what happened with us so i feel like just really for him going back to the drawing board getting better and then just coming to the building ready to work But, I mean, for him, it's always, he's always been confident.

I think

that's not something that's ever going to change.

I think it's just now about execution.

Jay, you wanted a few vets last year that you called out your teammates.

You didn't just say put it all on the coaches.

You put it on players also.

You say, you can lead a horse through water, but you can't make him drink.

You know, some of these guys lack motivation.

What were you trying to say without calling out any specific names?

What message were you trying to get across to your teammates?

Like,

look, this coach is going to lose his job.

But if, guess what?

If you guys don't pick up your play, if you don't get better habits, the next coach gonna come in here you'll lose his job

yeah no

that's exactly what it is and i feel like a lot of times guys get in the league and it's all man this coach is this man they they playing me they doing this like nah it's you like for me i'm i'm one of those guys where it's like if we not if we getting beat on defense That means I'm getting beat individually.

That means we all getting beat collectively as a unit.

It's not necessarily the scheme.

No, we had bad eyes and the dude, we let a guy go free or I didn't win my matchup, whatever it is.

So, I don't think it's always fair to say now, there's damn some coaches that can put you in bad positions.

But I think for me, my biggest thing was always look at yourself first.

And for us, I feel like we didn't have guys that exhausted every everything.

I feel like after practice, that'll tell you really what you have in the team.

How many guys are catching 100-plus passes on jugs, how many guys are working on technique, how many D-linemen are doing their pass rushing drills, how many receivers are working on releases with the DBs.

To me, all that goes without being having to be told to you.

So I think for me, that's my biggest thing.

It's like, nah, we can't call somebody else out for we call ourselves out.

We got to look at us and then put the work in individually.

And then we can start pointing the finger somewhat to everybody else.

I'm looking at you guys, man.

Last year, you guys had some, you guys lost some close games.

I mean, you had, you literally snatched defeat.

from the jaws of victory.

I don't know how you guys did if you had the game.

You guys had a game.

What?

I was like, oh, bad bears done.

You got this one.

A few times.

No doubt.

So, let me ask you a question: like, when you're on the field at Washington and you're like, man, ain't no way he can throw this ball this far.

Okay, but if he does, we're gonna knock it down.

Right, or you see a situation where you had several games that you guys were winning late in the ball game and you end up losing.

Right.

How frustrating is that when a team young like yourself trying to win, but seemingly find ways to lose?

I know Washington, that one still hurts me because they showed all the damn time.

So

it's hard to run from that one.

All the other ones you kind of can forget about, but I think just really in that moment, it's about maturity and having that composure.

I feel like it's really just about composure.

I feel like at times we let the moment get too big and the execution slips.

I feel like even on the Hail Mary,

of course, my dog wasn't locked in on the other side, but I feel like even before that, I feel like there's some things that we could have been locked in and focused on in that moment practicing.

Yeah, y'all let that man get out of bounds, throw that 10-yard out.

Why the hell y'all that got what?

I ain't gonna go.

Go ahead, Jay.

Go ahead, baby boy.

I ain't gonna say, Jay, I'm gonna let you go.

But it's really just stuff like that.

Even late in the game, I know we had, I think it was a close game with Green Bay before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams, of course, divisional games.

But I think it really just comes down to that poise in the moment, that poise and executing when it comes down to it.

Because, I mean, I feel like, again, every team goes over situational ball.

It's not something that is a lack of knowledge.

It's just really a lack of poise and execution in that moment.

But that comes with experience.

So hopefully we don't keep having those same mistakes.

Looking at your offensive line, they rebuilt the offensive.

What you got going on, big dog?

This is Spanos.

Say hello.

Spanos?

Spanos.

Thanos.

Yeah, that's a hell of a name for that little bitty.

He said, hold up.

He said, what you tried to say, Jay?

What you tried to say.

It's all right.

He gonna get bigger or he gonna stay that sign?

Nah, this is it.

All right, come on.

I don't know what you got going on this is big the big one upstairs he and his pen he sleep understood yeah um

do you think you you see i'm gonna put offensive line that's my point i look at what you did offensively you guys went and got three i look like i think three new starters yeah to protect caleb williams you draft the tight end in the first round to go with cold commit with dj moore you got i mean zacchaeus you got guys and uh a roman dunes a first round draft pick offensively you guys should be better But you do realize, Jay, if the offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take a step back.

You have to meet them where they are.

Yeah, for sure.

I think, too, for us in Chicago, we a defensive city.

So, I mean,

they meet us where we at.

Okay, that's what's up.

That's what's up.

Yeah, no, no, no.

We're not worried about matching them and what they're doing.

So, I think for us, just really just keeping that.

That's our culture.

I mean, tough, gritty Chicago ball.

I mean, it starts with the defense.

So, we're not really tripping.

I mean, Dennis Allen Allen leading a hell of a defense.

You can call it defense now.

I love meeting some DA right now.

He ain't run me wrong yet.

So I love DA.

Al Harris, of course, is the DBs coach and teaching us and really showing us how to take the ball away.

So, I mean, for us on defense, we're not worried about setting that standard.

We're going to push the bar a little bit.

Hey, listen, you being one of the better man-to-man DBs in the NFL, right?

I'm going to ask your opinion on who you think the top five receivers are in the game right now.

It's been the most difficult challenge for you to cover so far.

Top five.

I feel like top five, you got to put some details on.

Is it just skill?

Are we going off production?

How you want to?

I mean,

like, it's kind of different

you face.

What about the ones you face?

Let's go.

Let's go.

The guys you face.

You could, you could, you could face the top five based off those you face.

I would say

no order.

I would say Justin,

I'd say AJ Brown.

I'll go Tariq Hill.

That's three.

That I faced.

I don't know if you see Amin Ra because he's mainly in the slot.

Yeah, I would say it's tough because he's good.

I think for me, I just don't get enough reps against him.

Jamar, I only seen him when he was a rookie

early in the season.

So I haven't really

seen him, but I would still throw Jamar in my top five for sure.

Four, or not four or five, this would be,

I'll probably either,

I would say CeeDee Lamb

is in my top five.

I know as far as covers, I would throw Mike Evans in there.

He's definitely giving me some problems, especially early in my career.

Yeah, those will probably be the hardest guys on top of my top five in general.

Okay, that's dope.

Listen, I know you have your team goals, you know, what you want to do defensively.

Are you allowed to

tell us any individual goals you might have for this season?

Hell yeah, that ain't against no rules from what I've seen.

No, that's me.

I know some people, some people don't, don't, don't want to disclose, you know, what their individual goals are.

So, I mean, I just

memorized now.

I know I want to have seven interceptions, three force fumbles.

I want to have 10 turnovers,

right 50 50 completion or lower than 50

um no touchdowns allowed

and then what was my last one what was my last stat

i think i was like seven or so tfls

and then

i feel like i'm missing one more

I think it was 300, no more than 300 yards given up in the season.

I like that.

Defensive score, pick six, scooping score.

Oh, three touchdowns.

That was the last one.

That was the last one.

Three touchdowns.

What did you do?

You said,

what did you do different this year to make those goals a reality?

I bought a jug machine.

Bought a jug machine for sure.

Definitely getting my catches in.

And it's crazy because it's like being a DB, you don't, you're not really taught catching techniques and how to track the ball, what part of the ball to track to look at.

You just kind of just go out there and catch it.

But it's like when i was on the jug seeing it we're kind of looking at different things i'm like nah you really gotta see see the tip like you see the tip you you you pause yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah i'm glad you caught that yeah

you noticed oh jordan i ain't say nothing i wasn't saying a word till you cleaned that up because i was yeah no no that's what i mean that's what i said hold on hold on seeing the point seeing the point of the football yeah yeah yeah it helps you yeah it helped you it helped you catch it a lot better you can see you can catch it so i think for me that's been the the biggest thing, getting reps at that.

And then really everything else, just always working on a technique, make sure I'm in position.

But other than that, it's really just a mindset going and seeing the ball and the balls and air going to go get it.

Yeah, I think the thing is, is that you have to think because as a DB, you're taught to knock the ball down.

You have to retrain the way you think.

You got like, I got to go catch this ball.

As a receiver, we're taught, you'll catch it.

We ain't trying to, I mean, obviously, if the ball is about to be intercepted, we taught to knock it down.

But you're more mainly taught more so to knock it down than catch it.

So now you have to retrain yourself.

you see guys that get a lot of picks you see like a like a deon or rod wilson charge they like no no no no no no did you play wide receiver were you at any point in time did you play offense

i had a little package or something but i wasn't oh i i i played defense i was always a defensive specialist Because most guys like play quarterback was a wide receiver or something that was a that was a db so they crazy.

It's a lot easier to catch on offense than defense.

I promise it is.

It is.

And I don't know why, but I feel like when I play receivers, like it was easy to like, I didn't really drop too many passes, but when I got on get on defense, I feel like it's a lot, it's a lot different.

Because you, and you do realize on offense, when the ball's coming your way, we're actually trying to throw it to you.

See, you know, when the ball coming your way, we ain't trying to throw it to you.

We trying to throw it to the guy that you cover it.

No doubt, no doubt.

Hey,

I got one more question.

One more question.

Normally playing DB, obviously, I'm a huge fan.

I'm a huge fan of DB play.

How do you know when to take chances

when you know what's coming based on alignment

based on tendencies that you see watching film how do you know when to take those chances so basically think about asante samuel film you already know i'm going with it and yeah yeah get interceptions and he would always jump stuff because okay i just i know i saw this i saw this on film I know

how do you know when to take those chances and when not to

Honestly, I feel like it's honestly as simple as that.

I feel like if you know, you know.

And I feel like if you don't, then you got to somewhat be play reactionary game from there.

But I think a lot of times when you,

not even when you study, when you look at the game, and for me, I've learned this as I've gotten older in the game, it's like the offense is based on timing and spacing.

So it's like if you can understand their formations and the spacing that they're in, and you can get your read on the quarterback to getting the timing of the routes, because I mean, you're not going to get a three-step and then he's running a ball i mean that he's probably not going to get the ball then depending if you're if you're playing off man at least if you're playing off so it's like really matching it up to where it's like okay if i can read the quarterback get my three step read he's either got a hitch he got a slant and really that's about it so it's like i have no really no need to move i think the biggest thing is a confidence in

I don't even say jumping.

Believe in what you see.

Yeah, and taking it away.

I think because when you sit there and you see that guy running full speed, and I know receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard, but you're really not going deep.

It's like you got to be confident in yourself to where when you see it, it's like, nah, I know this is

fake.

I'm about to go.

Or I'm going to wait on it and then just really go from there.

I think watching more filming, like even watching Dig since we got Al over here, it's like he wasn't taking chances.

He just seen it.

Yeah.

Like he would just see the quarterback.

He would, I mean, he would get a good read on it.

So, oh, yeah, I forgot.

That's your DB coach now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's like, Al Harris.

Yeah, Al Harris Yeah, over here with the good guys, hey, man, Terry, Al, I said, What's up, man?

I will, I will.

He told me he put pause on you back in the day.

Yeah, what kind of pause?

What kind of paul he talk about?

He is nah.

Well, he might be tripping.

Go to the

air.

He had said that

film on now.

I don't want no

nice though, boy.

Hey, JJJ.

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Hey, him and Mike McKenzie when they was in Green Bay.

Yeah, yeah, the dreads.

Yeah, hey, Al would take a chance now.

Hey, you better not play with Al.

You remember Seattle where they say, hey, he

the quarterback call heads?

Oh, and we're gonna score.

Al say, no, you're not.

I'll take that.

And he's the other way.

Yes.

Yeah, no,

I love having Al.

It's for sure that ball mentality, especially like when you see three-step, like he didn't get mad at the DBs when he ain't driving the three-step.

We ain't driving certain routes when we see the quarterback.

So it's all about really getting those reads and having confidence.

Right.

You do realize that the corners, you guys live on an island.

100%

is you

and that guy.

It's Mano Emano.

That's the matchup.

And a lot of times, you ain't got no help.

You got to have amnesia.

You to play corner, you got to have amnesia because you're going to give up some ball.

Guy's going to run a great route.

He get paid just like you do.

He's studying Jalen just like you studying him.

How are you able to block it out?

You give up a touchdown or you give up a big play.

How are you able to block it out like, okay, that happened, especially if it's early?

Because knowing that you got three and a half quarters left to play?

Yeah, I think for me, it's life.

I feel like DB, playing DB for me is just another area of life for me as far as...

stuff going to happen to you early in life, stuff going to happen to you late in life.

And it's like, you still got life to live.

So, I mean, for me,

I don't get too caught up in it.

It's like at the end of the day, when you live long enough, you're going to mess up and you're going to do some good things.

When you play DB long enough, you're going to give up some passes and you're going to break up some passes.

So I think for me, it's really as simple as that.

I think I know Medea said in one of her movies or in one of the movies, I got to get them more than they get me.

So, I mean, I feel like that's really the

name of the game.

I think, honestly, you're just trying to not get got as many and as less as you can and then get them more as much as you can.

But it's really that simple, I think, too, especially when you're going against top guys.

I mean,

I personally got a gauntlet this year with all the receivers.

I'm going to see it.

So it's like, I'm gonna enjoy it.

I mean, yeah, they're gonna catch some passes, but again, for me, as long as I win more than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel like I'll be good.

Well, good luck this season, man.

Stay healthy.

Thank you for joining us, Jay.

He's leaving already.

Yeah,

what's up?

Hold on.

Y'all, y'all, y'all at home week one?

Yes, sir.

Monday night.

You're going to pull up, huh?

Matter of fact, you know what?

I got to be, I got to be

at the sports book at Wrigley on Sunday.

Now, I swear for God.

Oh, okay.

I got week one.

I'm at the sports book on Sunday at Wrigley Field.

So I'm gonna do that.

You're gonna be at the game on Monday, though.

I'll stay if you can get me, if you get me a ticket.

I'll get whatever you need.

You just holler at me.

Yeah, bet.

No, I really got to be there.

No, no, it's

I really got to be there.

Dead ass.

No doubt.

Tell your people, hit my people, and I'll take care of you.

We family.

All right, bet.

Hey, I can come over to feel and stuff and get autographs and stuff.

Hey, man, it's all it's you.

It's you, man.

I'll talk to my people.

Let's go.

I got you.

All right, bet.

All right, I'm going to holler at y'all.

All right, Jay Bags.

Stay healthy, man.

Good luck this season, man.

We'll chat down the road.

No doubt.

Jalen Johnson, cornerback for the Chicago Bears.

He's nice, too, boy.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, Joe, Troy Aikman spoke about Michael Parsons' leverage.

His leverage is they can't win without him.

Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're going to be able to slow anybody down.

Now, what the Cowboys are going to do,

you think I know the answer to that?

But the longer they wait, the price just continues to go up for Michael Parsons.

Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts.

Emmett held out lasted two days before Jerry came to his senses.

They went 0-2.

They got Emmett back and they ended up winning the Super Bowl.

I think Emmett led the league in Russian that year.

Should we expect a holdout?

Do you foresee a holdout until Michael Parsons gets his money or does he come in and

play in good faith?

Who come and play in good faith?

Micah.

Man, Micah ain't no goddamn fool.

Absolutely not.

I told you, they will always use that against you.

If they know you're a fool because you love the game of football, they'll play there, play in your face all day.

They will play in your face all day.

Absolutely.

Micah better not come back.

No, sir, no, sir.

Especially, especially what the owner has come out and said in the

game of...

the game of uh of mind games that jerry's playing too publicly talk about your agent you talk about the player.

Oh, hell no.

I'm not coming back.

Absolutely not.

Well, what's the point?

What's the point of paying him?

He might miss games like he did last year.

That still irks you that he said that, huh?

Yes.

You know, how do you, I'm still can't, I like, how do you say something like that about your player?

That's something that you think.

that you don't want to say to yourself like damn i paid him all this money and now he's on the sideline hurt You don't say that out loud.

You speaking stuff into existence.

Like, I mean, man,

boy,

y'all, boy, you lucky.

You know what?

I'm going to win me some good money,

and I'm going to go buy the Cowboys.

You laughing.

I'm going to go buy the Cowboys and me and you going to run it.

Ocho, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us to get enough money to buy the Cowboys.

You never know, Uncle.

You never know.

Never, never say never.

Never know.

Ocho, that's tied to his whole identity.

Even when he dead and gone, former Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

So,

hey, we might can pool our opinions together and get something that get it on something else, Ocho, but the Cowboys ain't it.

Look.

That's something that you sit down and talk with your agent, how well you've done with your money,

that you can withstand.

$20 million.

So that's basically a million dollars a week.

He'd be stepping away from.

Oh, you ain't got to step away.

You can stay right there.

You stay right there.

He ain't going to play in the game.

He's going to play in the games?

No.

Well, if you don't play in the games, you don't get paid.

Back spasm.

That's all right.

He hurt.

He in.

He there.

He's under contract, right?

Yes.

Okay, long as if he shows up.

Oh, my back hurt.

I can't play.

Y'all want to play games?

We can play games.

Oh, he's going to get paid.

That, boy, that'd be an ugly situation.

I mean, Jerry making it ugly.

I can't say I disagree with you.

Oh, I mean, he, listen, Jerry wants to play hardball.

He does.

But hey.

I don't know why Jerry does this.

I don't know why he wakes the week before the season.

We saw it with CD.

We saw it with Dak.

We see it with Zeke.

Emmett missed two games.

The difference was, Emmett didn't have a contract.

See, Emmett did not hold out.

Emmett didn't have a contract.

At all.

At all.

Okay, okay.

So,

so, uh,

damn, just think about that, man.

Man, I, I, boy,

why?

Ooh, we, boy, if I, if I own the Cowboys,

I'm telling you, boy.

Well,

we have a Super Bowl every year, but I'm spending everything for everybody.

We need to start playing the lottery then.

I'm going to start.

They don't have a lottery right here in Vegas because they got casinos.

They don't want you playing the lottery.

They want you to go to the casino.

They don't want you to double dip, huh?

They don't want anything that's going to take money out of casino pockets.

Okay, okay.

So, yeah, the Cowboys fans, they deserve, they deserve,

they deserve this, man.

They deserve a reason.

They deserve misery.

No, no, they don't.

Pain.

Oh, okay.

I see.

You remember what Clubber Lag told Rocky?

They said, what do you see for Mr.

Balboa?

Pain.

Damn, man.

That's what.

tough.

It's tough because Michael's been an all-pro.

He's been defensive rookie of the year.

He's been all those pro bows that he's been to.

And

Jerry has compensated him for that.

Now he's saying, Jerry,

I've outplayed that contract

based on what I believe I'll be the next four to five years.

This is what I need accordingly.

Now, maybe it was he's going to make him the highest paid.

Now you got to make him the highest paid again, which is more than what TJ Watt got.

More guaranteed money.

Said, I'm gonna, he said, Michael said, I need like 150.

I tell you what, you know what?

I'm nice.

135, guaranteed.

I need like 180.

I need like, I need like

four years,

220.

Hey, you know what's funny when I think about it too?

And Jerry think he's slick, trying to make it seem like he was going to pay Michael Parsons and have him the highest paid, but it was before Miles Garrett contract.

It was before T.J.

Watts.

TJ Watt.

It was before

and before your guy, Chase.

Mac Crosby.

Yeah.

Before Chase.

So it wasn't going to be in the 40.

So now, hey, bro, that thing at 42, 43.

It wouldn't have been no good.

Her.

I mean, it would have been good.

No disrespect to those that are watching.

I'm just saying, in terms of the type of player and caliber in which Michael Parsons would be paid, it wouldn't be no good and he young

baby he's 26

baby that's crazy man 26 years of age yeah i need all that jerry i'm sorry

i need i need go i tell you what jerry hey

five give me five for 250.

damn five or 250.

I don't want but 140.

I don't want but 140, 150 guarantee.

Oh, so the 250 just to make it look good?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like that.

I don't care about the guarantee.

I tell you what, Jerry, you give me five for 500 million, but I need 150 of it fully guaranteed.

Okay, I like that.

I don't care nothing about that fluff.

You see, they put all that, you see all the plate, that the plate be all designed.

They got all that stuff drizzle, all like that.

Does it taste good up under the what's up under all that drizzle?

Does it taste good?

Yeah.

All that fluff I see.

How much money is guaranteed?

That's all that, hey, that's all that matters.

That's all I need to know.

What I'm going to see.

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