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Speaker 20 Giants oh Joe jump jump right into it the Giants beat the Patriots Jackson dart shined in his rookie preseason his numbers across all three weeks he was 32 of 47 372 yards four total touchdowns zero interceptions ocho I told you yeah he's gonna be starting sooner than you think wait wait he's gonna learn one thing ocho what is that get your ass down them guys you try a a

Speaker 20 Them guys heavy and they fast.

Speaker 22 He gonna learn fast.

Speaker 20 He's gonna learn very fast.

Speaker 22 But you have to understand, you say he's gonna start sooner, rather sooner than later.

Speaker 20 I do believe it.

Speaker 22 And that's to say, if Russell Wilson doesn't play well, but I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has around him.

Speaker 22 Listen, you put that ball in Uno's hands, everything going to be fine. Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't going to be fine.
I don't think there's much pressure on Russell Wilson. And

Speaker 22 if they're gonna give him the job, I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Darr starts next year.

Speaker 20 I don't believe that.

Speaker 22 You don't think so?

Speaker 20 No.

Speaker 20 Not the way this rookie played this preseason. And Ocho, you see the way he moved in the pocket.
You see the throws that he's making. Oh, he can move now.
He's nice. He's nice.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 20 And what that you and I go do, we go give credit where it's due. Now, if you play bad, we're going to say you play bad.

Speaker 20 But if, hey, but if you play good, we're gonna say hey man get your popcorn watch this kid yeah i mean his command of the offense he's i mean the his ability to push the ball down the field his ability he's scrambling and then all of a sudden he's like oh i forgot about my black back wham throws it to the back i said

Speaker 22 you should just you show up for a rookie rookies don't normally play like that he he plays with a lot of points yeah he played a big time arm he'll throw push the ball i like guys that push the ball down the field all that short fishing you ain't gonna catch no big fish around the edge the big fish are out deep yeah yeah most of the time especially for the rookies you know to get themselves in rhythm get them rhythm they'll start short just to build just to get that confidence going as opposed to taking it taking a deep shot i remember um i think what was it maybe last week it might have been last week it was third it was third and shorter maybe maybe they went for it on fourth down and he threw the goddamn deep ball yeah throwing it short for a touchdown yeah

Speaker 20 and who else guess what ocho who else else knows that you're a rookie that you're probably not going to push that ball downfield early and you're going to stay around the shore? Decoordinators.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 20 And they telling their corner, they tell them to crowd it.

Speaker 22 See it, see it, yep.

Speaker 20 Because

Speaker 20 they think it like you think it, right?

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Coach, first of all, coach ain't gonna call anything. He don't want to get too exotic.
He wants to let him warm up. We're gonna let him throw a smoke, let him throw an owl, let him throw a slant.

Speaker 20 Sit.

Speaker 20 Hey.

Speaker 20 itch.

Speaker 20 They go get that ball.

Speaker 22 Every time.

Speaker 20 But no,

Speaker 20 I love what I've seen. I don't want to get,

Speaker 20 but I think Brian Dayball and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason. How can you not? Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean look.

Speaker 20 Like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that, son. Right.
Get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds.
You got two choices.

Speaker 20 You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds yeah one or the other or

Speaker 20 we're gonna come put your ass on the car and you're gonna go in the tent because you see what happened with what happened ocho yeah they came and got him and they put him that took his ass to the tent yeah but look listen uh

Speaker 22 based on his play this preseason bangles i'm talking about bangles i'm thinking about my damn bangles giants fan giants organization The his teammates, they have to be very pleased.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Very obviously what they saw from Jackson Dart. But also, I want to be very cautious now.
Very cautious. Now, this is, you got to understand who he was going against.

Speaker 22 Now, when the regular season starts, it's a different ball game out there, huh? Oh, for sure. Hey, it's not going to be sweet.
Not going to be

Speaker 23 sweet.

Speaker 20 It ain't no vanilla. It's going to give you a lot.
Hey, they go, hey, oh, sure, they're going to give you a lot of swirls. Hey, you go to Basket Robbins.
It ain't flavors.

Speaker 20 It's coverages you're going to get. It ain't 31 flavors.
It's 31 coverages.

Speaker 22 Hey, it's a different ball game.

Speaker 20 It is, it is, it absolutely is. The intensity picks up, the urgency picks up, the speed, the coaches, all that, all that.
Oh, hey, the coaches they explaining things to you in a nice, calm tone.

Speaker 20 That gets out the window.

Speaker 23 Yeah,

Speaker 20 hey, and that's what uh uh uh one of the coaches told me my rookie year, you know, we still cut

Speaker 20 just because it's the season, that don't mean you can't get cut, right?

Speaker 20 Sometimes, you know, sometimes guys relax, don't you?

Speaker 20 Oh, man, maybe not a trader cap.

Speaker 20 They'll cut week one, all the way, hey, all the way through to week 17, 18. Even, hey, I've seen guys get cut in the postseason.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it could be your day.

Speaker 22 Damn, in the postseason?

Speaker 20 Well, look here.

Speaker 20 Man, we are, hey,

Speaker 20 boy, look here. They don't play, Ocho.
Look, my.

Speaker 20 You know what? It might have been like, it might have not been the postseason, you know, practice squad guys or something like that.

Speaker 20 but obviously but but i'm talking about got bad guys late in the season

Speaker 20 oh man that's mike shanahan didn't play that's tough it wasn't no loafing it wasn't no walking when he said hey

Speaker 20 i don't know how y'all did it oh cho but when we changed drills uh-huh oh you had to get a move on

Speaker 22 Got a little pepper. You got to have a little pep in your step, huh?

Speaker 20 Nobody walks but the mailman. That's why he doesn't make what you make.
You run to where you got to go.

Speaker 22 I like that.

Speaker 23 Okay.

Speaker 22 I like that.

Speaker 20 All right.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 20 Some people don't understand that. And that's no disrespect to the mailman.
Hey, you guys do an unbelievable job. We appreciate your service.

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Speaker 20 this kid, Jackson Dart, Ocho. Oh, yeah.
I like what I'm seeing. Now, I'm like you.
I want to see him against a real competition. Yeah.

Speaker 22 Hey, when you go,

Speaker 22 you got to make those alignments, those adjustments.

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 22 Defenses, I mean, linemen are stunning.

Speaker 22 Defense are disguising what they really want to do. And at the same time,

Speaker 22 you might think it's cover one, and you might think it's cover three, and all of a sudden they go, you go to go to two.

Speaker 20 Oh, man, it's it's it's it's so go to quarter they go to seven they go to six they go to six kick hey have have have you then go to cover five have your brain out there fried yep clouding it

Speaker 20 yeah yeah oh them jokes be out there

Speaker 20 banjoing it banjo

Speaker 20 but i hey i was looking because you know i'll be looking i'll be trying to look a because uh that was way they they be out there doing this right here that means they banjo and that means they're gonna cut they're gonna double somebody I'm like, it never really dawned on me that what the sick, you know, I'm just out there like, what the hell are they doing?

Speaker 20 Right, right, right.

Speaker 20 Or, you know, you see them do they locking it.

Speaker 20 Hey, so I just got a kid, I just got a kick out of that when people say, Hey, man, it don't matter, it don't matter

Speaker 20 if you know what to do. The hell you say,

Speaker 20 you let me know y'all gonna be a cover for

Speaker 20 let me know y'all gonna be a quarter, a single high safety, a six kick. The The hell you say.
Man, skip.

Speaker 20 Bad please. But Tommy DeVito, Ocho.
Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 17 of 20, Buck 93, three tuds.

Speaker 20 Jackson Dart came in 6-12, 81 yards, a tub.

Speaker 20 Jameis Winston came in 4-8. Mop up, 47, and a tud.

Speaker 22 Listen,

Speaker 22 this might be the second team we talk about a team carrying four quarterbacks. This might be another team that might carry four.

Speaker 20 I don't think so, Ojo. Yeah,

Speaker 20 because you know why?

Speaker 20 Because

Speaker 20 who's the odd man?

Speaker 20 Jameis is making four million. Russ is making good money.
Russ is making how much money, Ash, 10, 15.

Speaker 20 See, it's not like Cleveland.

Speaker 20 Because what you call making 5 million, Kenny Pickett's making what he's making, and then you got two rookies.

Speaker 23 Okay.

Speaker 22 So, so what you saying?

Speaker 23 Well, what you saying?

Speaker 22 Who's the odd man out then?

Speaker 20 Oh, so he got one year, 10-5,

Speaker 20 which is probably as much as

Speaker 20 Flacco and Pickett making together. And then you throw Jameis's $4 million a year, because I think he did two years, $9 million, so $4.5 million.

Speaker 20 So you're looking at $15 million between two quarterbacks.

Speaker 20 You think they keep Tommy? Well, obviously, you know they're not getting rid of Jackson Darrow. You think they keep Tommy DeVito? Or they release him and try to sign him back to the practice squad?

Speaker 22 Probably sign it back to the practice squad, but

Speaker 22 I see them doing the same thing that the Browns are probably going to do.

Speaker 22 For some reason, for some reason, I just do. And then we talked about Jameis Winston.

Speaker 22 You heard personnel or

Speaker 22 was that the owner that came out and said, Absolutely not. He's not going nowhere.

Speaker 22 I'm talking about Jameis Winston.

Speaker 20 You're talking about Mara, John Mara?

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 Great,

Speaker 22 great locker room presence, great team guy.

Speaker 22 I knew, I he was, I knew James wasn't going nowhere,

Speaker 23 absolutely not,

Speaker 20 but 4210. You don't want to go out on the note like that, but you know, Ocho, you and I, we talked about this earlier in this week.
Unfortunately,

Speaker 20 a lot of kids' dreams, I say kids, the kids, they're old enough to be my kids. Yeah.
Old enough to be, they're young enough. Well, let me take that back.
They're young enough to be our kids.

Speaker 20 I'm pretty sure I'm older than most of their moms and dads but with that being said a lot of these young men dreams come to an end tonight

Speaker 20 some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else yeah some might get an opportunity to go to canada play in the ufl

Speaker 20 but for a lot of them mocho the realization that this is over

Speaker 20 Something I've been doing since I was seven, eight years old, did it at the Pee Wee level, did it at the JV level, high school level, college level my dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition yeah

Speaker 20 that's tough because this is probably the first time ocho

Speaker 20 that someone has told these young men you're not good enough

Speaker 20 think about it they've always been the best yeah They was their best on their pop warner.

Speaker 20 They were best on their flag football team, their JV football team, their high school basketball, a football team, their college.

Speaker 20 And then

Speaker 20 it's a numbers game. You're not good enough.

Speaker 20 That's the realization of, oh, Joe, that's the realization of it. I mean,

Speaker 20 I'm not trying to be Chad, I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles. That last game, that last preseason game.

Speaker 20 And your name is on the board to be released.

Speaker 20 My name was on the board to be released.

Speaker 22 Hold on. Let me tell you.
Let me tell you. What about the last preseason game? I'm talking about when we were playing.
The last preseason game, I remember

Speaker 22 I would be walking in, and the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was Lippy Lippincott.

Speaker 22 I don't know if he's still with the Bengals or not. And I would always come in early after the preseason game and come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub,

Speaker 22 get my body back rejuvenated and fresh. And I would see Lippy standing there right at the door

Speaker 22 and just thinking to myself, man.

Speaker 22 So he collecting the playbook and letting them know to go up and see the coach

Speaker 22 before the meetings even start.

Speaker 22 I'm like, man, that's tough, man. And then hard knocks, hard knocks, hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see

Speaker 22 people actually, you know, get cut and how

Speaker 22 that side of it works. And

Speaker 22 as heartbreaking and sad that it is,

Speaker 22 it's the reality of the game.

Speaker 20 That's reality. We got to show you both sides.
You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, the camaraderie on the field, in the meeting rooms, and things like that.

Speaker 20 But there's another side to this.

Speaker 20 That somebody, some young man, men,

Speaker 20 their dreams,

Speaker 20 this dream is not going to come true.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 And you have to reshift, refocus.

Speaker 20 A lot of it, you know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the plane ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress.

Speaker 20 So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men's lives. So, you know, some, you know, a

Speaker 20 structure is... is not their strong suit because they do everything they can, Ocho the buck

Speaker 20 against it. But

Speaker 20 most of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in a structured environment for the better part of your life.

Speaker 20 And so it should be, you know, if you go back and go into the workforce, the actual nine to five,

Speaker 20 you know, you got to be to work at a certain time. You know the task that you're asked to do.
You just go get it done.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 But that's the unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody dreams of playing.

Speaker 20 And that's the thing, you know, for every Ocho Cinco and a Shannon Sharp or Sterling Sharp or somebody that

Speaker 20 came of the less than favorable or impoverished conditions.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 There are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL, Ocho.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 That got the opportunity that you and I got. And that was far as they got was training camp.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 That's tough, man.

Speaker 20 It is.

Speaker 22 It is. I think it's a good thing.
I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see

Speaker 22 the entire process, not just the finished product on sundays right actually see what players have to go through

Speaker 22 the the the sweat the tears the the the being on pins and needles the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason knowing that okay i have two or three games where i have to make a name for myself if not here maybe somewhere else if i don't make it here no that that that's tough it is tough because then also you got to do everything you want to do you want to be perfect and most of the time when you press and you try to be perfect, what's the one thing you always do?

Speaker 23 You mess up. Mess up.

Speaker 22 You mess up.

Speaker 22 You can never play freely. I mean, you're at your best when you're playing freely without nothing to worry about.

Speaker 20 Now you got to go try to learn a new offense, a new defense. But here's the thing, Ocho.

Speaker 20 There's 2,000, 3,000 applicants for that four or five jobs.

Speaker 20 How many wide receivers are going to get released? How many tight ends? How many offensive linemen? How many running backs? How many quarterbacks? DBs, D-linemen, linebackers, corners, safeties.

Speaker 20 So you got 2,000 applicants. Probably got 10, 15 positions.

Speaker 23 Damn.

Speaker 22 And that goes to show

Speaker 22 how great the 1%

Speaker 23 is.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 22 How great the 1% is.

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 20 You think about how many kids graduate each year from high school. Yeah.
Now think about how many of those go to college to play a sport.

Speaker 20 Now just think in four to five years, how many of them get an opportunity to go play at the next level in said sport?

Speaker 20 Now you understand what you're dealing with.

Speaker 22 Very small percentage.

Speaker 20 There's only a 53-man roster. Now you think about a 53-man roster

Speaker 20 of a million kids that graduated. So let's just say for the sake of argument, let's just say a half a million of them got men.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 20 Out of 500,000,

Speaker 20 when you realize how special you got to be to be a professional athlete,

Speaker 20 forget, obviously, there are some, you know, obviously basketball is even harder because guess what, Ocho? You got fewer slots.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Baseball is even harder because you got few. There's only 15 spots on a basketball team, Ocho.
You only got 15, but you only got 15 players.

Speaker 22 That's crazy.

Speaker 20 Think about it. You're starting offense, you starting defense, you got 22.
That's more than an entire basketball team.

Speaker 20 Baseball, you got 29.

Speaker 20 That's 24. That's 24 less than a football team.

Speaker 20 So you see. as the percentage as the players go down yeah

Speaker 20 so does the percentages of you making it

Speaker 20 I'm just telling what it is, Ocho. Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah. I mean, listen, it's the harsh truth.
Yes. It's the harsh truth.

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Speaker 20 steelers beat the panthers defensive lines suffered a potentially significant loss to rookie first rounder derek harmon was carted off the field with a knee injury and quickly ruled out mike tollin told reporters that he has a sprained knee and the injury is still being evaluated.

Speaker 20 I think, Ocho,

Speaker 20 that's kind of why, you know, you don't see a lot of the key guys play.

Speaker 20 Maybe they just didn't voice it. But

Speaker 20 the guys, I don't remember the coaches being concerned like that. Because they threw our ass out there, Ocho.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 22 No, they weren't concerned. They weren't concerned.
And

Speaker 22 I mean, listen, it's football at the end of the day.

Speaker 23 It's football,

Speaker 22 no matter what. And if someone, to me, honestly, the way I think, there's someone going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt.

Speaker 22 It's inevitable.

Speaker 20 You can't. Don't get hurt going full speed.

Speaker 22 It's a contact sport.

Speaker 22 You can protect your player all you want, but when it's time to play football, if they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt. You can't protect or stop that.

Speaker 23 You can't.

Speaker 22 Okay, I'm going to hold you out in preseason.

Speaker 20 you can go out there in the regular season and still get hurt the same way right so you might as well just get out there and just play football no ojo it used to be football is a collision sport yeah because you got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed that was me that was me

Speaker 20 and

Speaker 20 merlin olson i think once said Football is a lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors.

Speaker 22 I was survival.

Speaker 20 If, I don't know if you saw that, I read that article that they did, and when they interviewed, I think guys was it, guys that

Speaker 20 got drafted in 1998, in 1988?

Speaker 20 It was a two years break. Two years.
So, guys that came in in 88, their average age is about 62, Ocho.

Speaker 20 All of them.

Speaker 20 Something hurts, memory loss,

Speaker 20 get agitated, X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 20 Nine out of ten say they do it all over again.

Speaker 20 People ask me, knowing what you know now. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 Absolutely. You think I would?

Speaker 23 Man, please.

Speaker 23 Man, please.

Speaker 22 And

Speaker 22 matter of of fact, I'm just thinking about it. If I had the opportunity to do it all over again, knowing what I know now, I would have added some more to it.

Speaker 22 I would have added some more, a little seasoning,

Speaker 22 a little parsley. Oh, man, man, I would listen.

Speaker 22 Hey, Paul Taglebu and Roger Goodell think I gave them hell.

Speaker 22 If I not, what I know now,

Speaker 22 man, please.

Speaker 20 If I could go back and do it over again,

Speaker 20 knowing what I know now,

Speaker 20 I would have enjoyed it more.

Speaker 22 Oh, instead of being so serious?

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 I was so tunnel vision. I was so focused.

Speaker 20 All I thought about was somebody taking my job, my grandmother not being able to do what she did, not being able to... That's it.

Speaker 20 I didn't enjoy the journey. I was just,

Speaker 20 I tried,

Speaker 20 but it would keep me off the destination.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 20 I would get sidetracked.

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 20 that's what I would do different, OJo. If I could do it.
But obviously, I can't. That's why they say you're supposed to live a life with no regret.

Speaker 20 I don't regret it, but I would do knowing what you know now. That's the magnificent science of hindsight.
Yeah. Is knowing today what you didn't know yesterday is that

Speaker 20 I would definitely do it different.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 20 first-round pick, Derek Harmon, knee injury,

Speaker 20 being evaluated. Mike Thomas say he will be evaluated.
Oh, Joe, Jerry Jones just can't help himself. Take a listen to what Jerry told Micah Irving about the Micah Parsons situation.

Speaker 23 They're in here to make their percentage.

Speaker 23 They're in here to

Speaker 23 basically, yes, advise Micah,

Speaker 23 advise Micah,

Speaker 23 come over to the office, and I'll show you exactly what I offered Micah. We've got it in the back.
It's with all written down, everything to go. Come down and look at that.

Speaker 23 You can sure look at it. You can sure, absolutely look at it.
Here's my entire point.

Speaker 23 My point.

Speaker 23 Who is that that basically says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together for an agreement, but absolutely, who is it

Speaker 23 that can go with it?

Speaker 23 And so, the facts are:

Speaker 23 I don't know that I've ever been around, I've never tried to buy anything, I've never tried to do anything

Speaker 23 that I actually was going to bring all of the services, and somebody else was going to do all the money.

Speaker 23 But because the in-between guy wasn't exactly the guy that I had fit there, that kept you from doing the deal.

Speaker 23 That's exactly what's happening here.

Speaker 23 So many times in this, in uh this industry

Speaker 20 oh joe yeah what you didn't hear him say is what i've been telling you uh-huh he said michael parsons under contract for three more years oh yeah

Speaker 20 so that tells you he's under contract this year and i got two franchise tags i'm not afraid to use them yeah yeah he said the quiet part finally out loud yeah well listen he says a lot of things out loud that that are supposed to be supposed to remain quiet.

Speaker 22 I also heard some things that he said, listen to that. I saw, I saw a clip on Twitter,

Speaker 22 Jerry Jones saying that David, how do you say the agent's last name, Mugaletta?

Speaker 20 Mugaletta.

Speaker 22 Mugaletta said he told him he could take the contract and shut it. And I heard Ryan Clark respond to that because Ryan obviously called Dave to ask him, did you tell Jerry that?

Speaker 22 And obviously he said everything Jerry is saying, it wasn't true. It was a lie.
And this is one of the tactics that Jerry uses,

Speaker 22 which is one of the ways that he continues to fool fans in general, just in general.

Speaker 22 And he has everybody on their side by coming out and saying, I gave Micah a contract that was going to make him the highest paid at his position, a non-quarterback.

Speaker 22 Jerry, at what point

Speaker 22 do owners do deals with the player?

Speaker 20 Jerry.

Speaker 22 That's not business.

Speaker 20 Right.

Speaker 22 That's not how you fight.

Speaker 20 That's not business. Oh, Joe.
I'll give you a prime example, Jerry,

Speaker 20 just like you guys have Roger Goodell,

Speaker 20 he's the mouthpiece for the owners.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 20 We understand that he works at the behest of the owners. Right.
That's why I don't get mad at Roger Goodell. Everybody get mad at Roger Goodell and say, man, Roger did this.

Speaker 20 Roger did nothing that those 32 owners didn't want him to do.

Speaker 23 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 20 When he got, because y'all remember, when he got mad at, when Jerry got mad at Roger for suspending Zeke, they had already approved his financial package. Jerry held it up.

Speaker 20 All the banks said, we already approved this.

Speaker 20 We're not doing this, Jerry.

Speaker 20 Jerry said, I want to know why the man. Jerry had already signed off on it.
All the owners had already signed off on it that needed to sign off on it.

Speaker 20 But Jerry got mad because Roger suspended Zeke.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Jerry held a package up.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 20 they used to have a big six.

Speaker 20 Jerry Jones, Mr. Kraft,

Speaker 20 Daniel Snyder, a few other guys. They kind of,

Speaker 20 that was Rogers' right hand.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 20 They kind of ran the show. They're all the owners, you know, age, 32, but you know, some has a little bit more influence than others.

Speaker 22 No, yeah. A little bit more power.

Speaker 20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 20 So I'm not surprised. I don't know why, Jerry, Micah, that's why you have to be careful.
See, you go, you went in there thinking, yo, just, hey, you doing something, a little leadership.

Speaker 20 He started talking numbers. Jerry, think y'all got a deal.
You just think you guys talking about leadership and a, what you need to do to get better.

Speaker 22 And you know what? You know what's funny? You know what the owner is going to always do? They're going to always lowball you too, man.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 22 They're going to always lowball you. And the fact that michael parsons as smart as he may be as smart as he may be when it comes to that them contracts and that fine print and that language

Speaker 20 well you don't know nothing about that if he wanted to take the bobby wagon approach ocho if he wanted to take the bobby wagon approach richard sherman end up doing it uh lamar and his mom ended up doing i think they had an attorney somebody read over the fine print say okay this blah blah blah okay that's fine that's true but michael has given no indication well Well, if that's the, because Michael, I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think he's been with athletes first

Speaker 20 since he came out. Right.
You know, Michael's got an agent. Yeah.

Speaker 20 But you try to circle, excuse me,

Speaker 20 you tried to circumvent the agent.

Speaker 20 So you tried, so in other words, he tried to do a back alley deal, a backdoor deal, Ojo.

Speaker 23 Yeah, but you can't do that.

Speaker 22 That's bad business. Jerry Jerry.

Speaker 20 First of all, the NFL, it's the NFL and the NFL PA's fault because Jerry knows he's not supposed to negotiate contracts. He knows knows that.
But the NFL PA, with their weak asses, allow it.

Speaker 20 The NFL that's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll sue him just like Al Davis.

Speaker 20 Wait. So they let him do it.

Speaker 23 Wait.

Speaker 22 Jerry will sue who?

Speaker 20 The league.

Speaker 20 How the hell he goes?

Speaker 20 The same way Jerry Jones is the only owner. The only thing that

Speaker 20 he's a part of the,

Speaker 20 what they call it, revenue sherry, is TV.

Speaker 20 he has his own merchandise deal

Speaker 20 with everybody with coke he's with pepsi with everybody with reebok he's with nike

Speaker 22 hey but he run he running it hey he run his own program man that's how that's how al Davis used to play

Speaker 22 and and you know what the the the game that he's playing right now It lets me know because I got his fans all over Twitter too.

Speaker 22 See, see, jerry's gonna make micah the highest paid and they really don't understand the game he's playing fans don't understand they say no

Speaker 22 they falling for it so let me get this straight

Speaker 20 because he said like come on man y'all how much is how much is a miles garrett guaranteed so without even knowing because at the time miles garrett contract wasn't done right TJ Watt contract wasn't done.

Speaker 20 The highest paid with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa. So you mean to tell me sight unseen,

Speaker 20 he was willing to go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett?

Speaker 20 124 million guarantee. Miles Garrett got 124 million guaranteed.
What was Nick Bosa's guarantee?

Speaker 20 Because at the time,

Speaker 20 because Nick Bosa, so Nick Bosa, did Max Crosby, then Nadal Hunter?

Speaker 20 122 million,

Speaker 20 what's the total? So 140. So Miles Garrett got 140 or 160.

Speaker 20 40 a year, 124. Gary got four for 160.

Speaker 20 Four for 160.

Speaker 20 Bosa got five for 170. Bosa got five for 170, which is about 34 million a year then, if my math serves me correctly.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 20 I'm just.

Speaker 22 Hey, boy, Jerry, shout out, boy.

Speaker 22 Jerry tried to hit Micah with a little banana in the tailpipe.

Speaker 20 And you see what he does? You see what he did, Ocho? He put it out there,

Speaker 20 like you said. And fans, look at Micah.

Speaker 20 Look what he got out there. TBD.

Speaker 20 Ain't that what it says?

Speaker 22 Oh, he put up a little prayer. Micah, Micah 7:8.

Speaker 20 He said, Even if I fall, I will rise. The Lord is my light.

Speaker 22 Hey, that's that's man.

Speaker 20 Michael getting biblical.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, you know it's serious. You know it's serious when you start going to the, you know, to the scriptures.

Speaker 20 He removed all cowboy stuff from his social.

Speaker 22 Oh, he did?

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Hold on, hold on. I ain't see that.

Speaker 20 Look, I know David. I know his agent a little bit.
Spoke to him.

Speaker 20 I don't speak to him as much now, but I used to speak to him a fairly decent amount this doesn't sound like him

Speaker 20 now

Speaker 20 i don't want to be i don't want to be the one that says what a person will or won't say ocho but i'm just saying in my interactions with him

Speaker 20 he doesn't come off as that type of person to me

Speaker 20 right jerry jerry is trying to sway public opinion yeah put that out there Hey, the public, hey, Micah being greedy. Micah ain't no team play.

Speaker 20 Micah's not a team player because if he's a team player, he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 22 And it's working.

Speaker 23 Because they listen, they eating it up.

Speaker 20 Yep.

Speaker 22 They eat it up not knowing that's the game.

Speaker 22 That's the game. And they don't see it that way.
They just see it. It's one-sided because if you're a Cowboy fan,

Speaker 20 you're loyal. You're a Cowboy fan.
You're not a Michael Parsons. You're a Michael Parsons fan because he plays for the Cowboys.

Speaker 20 So therefore, if he goes somewhere else,

Speaker 23 yeah,

Speaker 22 it's oh man, it's crazy.

Speaker 23 It's crazy. It is.

Speaker 22 It's a game, it's a game, and Jerry knows how to play it very well.

Speaker 20 Yes, because he's been playing it longer than Michael.

Speaker 20 Micah's 26th, Jerry owned the Cowboys since 1989. So, that in and of itself.
Plus, Jerry Jones has been a businessman, he knows business.

Speaker 20 That's why Micah hired an agent.

Speaker 20 You hire people that know what you don't.

Speaker 22 And you know what the funny thing is when it comes to that?

Speaker 22 This kind of business with this kind of money

Speaker 22 is not fair.

Speaker 22 It's not fair. And negotiations will expose people

Speaker 22 for who they truly are and how they really feel about you when it comes to what you think your value is.

Speaker 20 Right.

Speaker 22 Well, damn, that's how you really feel about me? Well, hell, Jerry already said, already let Michael know how you feel about you. He said, what you see in your mind.

Speaker 23 He said it out loud.

Speaker 23 He said it out loud. Okay.

Speaker 20 Ocho, okay,

Speaker 20 what y'all agree. Y'all agree to ain't no ink on no paper.

Speaker 23 No.

Speaker 23 No.

Speaker 20 Ocho, did you realize at one point in time, Google tried to sell itself?

Speaker 20 Google tried to sell itself for a billion.

Speaker 20 They said, nah, we good. I think it was y'all who Say, nah, that's too much.

Speaker 20 Realized they made a mistake, came back, tried to buy them again. They said, nah,

Speaker 20 okay, it wasn't no ink on no paper.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 20 Uh, who that bought you? Meta bought YouTube. Who bought you? Google.

Speaker 20 Google bought YouTube, oh, Joe.

Speaker 23 Yeah,

Speaker 20 for little or nothing.

Speaker 20 Google, how much YouTube revenue it generates for Google

Speaker 20 Every 21 days. Just Google that.

Speaker 23 Wait,

Speaker 22 what I put?

Speaker 20 See how much Google paid to buy YouTube. Now see how much money YouTube generates in review and advertising.

Speaker 22 Google acquired YouTube in 2006 for 1.6

Speaker 23 billion.

Speaker 20 Okay, one point six billion, not Google. How much advert how much money uh Google uh generates in advertising revenue just in every 21 days.

Speaker 23 What the fuck?

Speaker 23 Okay,

Speaker 20 how much are you?

Speaker 22 Two hundred sixty-five billion.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 23 Golly

Speaker 20 yesterday's price ate today's price

Speaker 22 man, Google had a nine hundred a ninety-six

Speaker 22 point five billion fourth quarter revenue

Speaker 22 not the first three the fourth quarter.

Speaker 22 That's a different world. That's a different world, boy.

Speaker 23 Yep. That's a whole different world.

Speaker 20 Now you see what I'm getting at.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 20 So, Jerry, what you thought the price was in March, his name wasn't on no contract.

Speaker 20 That ain't what the price is in August, September.

Speaker 20 But I told you what he's going to do. I said, Ocho, the problem that he had, that's why the first thing I said, get away with the franchise tag.

Speaker 20 Oh, yeah. You want the money to go up exponentially? Get away with the franchise.
Get away. Do away with the franchise tags.

Speaker 23 Yep.

Speaker 22 That should be the first thing going.

Speaker 20 First.

Speaker 22 And the second should be the goddamn health

Speaker 22 lifetime benefits. Yep.
Health benefits.

Speaker 22 And then we'll work on the guaranteed contracts contracts last

Speaker 22 but in that in that in that specific order

Speaker 20 you can't have free agency if somebody still controls your right

Speaker 20 i can franchise you no

Speaker 20 no

Speaker 20 but hopefully uh uh uh micah and the cowboys get this thing worked out he gets a a number that he feel comfort that he feels comfortable with and everybody is happy with because

Speaker 20 that's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 20 Okay, Ocho, we got a very special guest joining us tonight. We got two-time Pro Bowl cornerback from the Chicago Bears, Jalen Johnson.
JJ, what it do?

Speaker 23 What's up, what it been, dog? How you living?

Speaker 20 Man, I'm doing great, man. How are you living?

Speaker 23 I'm good. I ain't gonna lie to you.
I'm tired as hell.

Speaker 20 Well, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 20 Y'all have practice. Y'all got a game tomorrow.
Y'all game tomorrow or Saturday?

Speaker 23 Tomorrow. We in KC right now.

Speaker 20 Oh, okay. But y'all, man,

Speaker 20 it's slow boogie now.

Speaker 23 Yeah, no, it's slow boogie. You got to have that steak dinner, though.

Speaker 23 I got the hottest. I done got out the shower and everything.
I'm ready to go.

Speaker 20 Oh, you're ready to lay it down. Okay, look.

Speaker 20 The Bears defense. Ocho and we saw you guys the other night.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 You guys were flying around. Offense looked really good.
Defense was getting after people. What have you been most, what has Ben Johnson coming over from the Lions, what has he been able to

Speaker 20 instill in you guys? Because you guys look different. I know it's preseason, and

Speaker 20 I don't want to get too carried away, Jay, but you guys look different. You guys look different.

Speaker 23 I think the message is different.

Speaker 23 Honestly speaking, I feel like it's one of those things where talking to him personally and listening to him in the team meetings,

Speaker 23 it's like he's one of us talking. And when he gets up there, it's not like, okay, yeah, we're going to go out here, we're going to execute.

Speaker 23 And it's like, nah, it's just about whooping the guys in front of you, like really like dominating and instilling like your will. And I think really just preaching that, that goes a long way.

Speaker 23 Cause I mean, I feel like even in Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys, but they had a lot of guys that had grit, as they like to say over there, and guys that worked hard that are tough and things like that.

Speaker 23 So it's like him. that that that fits him so just really coming for us and i mean even dennis allen he he's telling defense damn near we live every day in practice.

Speaker 23 So just really that mentality as far as going and playing physical is like really just honestly overdoing it really is a thing that we

Speaker 23 think of really in the defensive room. And really what we say is like toe the line, toe the line between going too far and

Speaker 23 really pushing the limits.

Speaker 22 Have you been able to tell a difference in Caleb Williams, the way he commands the offense, the way he's playing with Ben Johnson and after him calling the plays?

Speaker 22 Is he carrying himself with a little bit more confidence as opposed to how he did last year?

Speaker 22 Can you sense that a little bit in camp?

Speaker 23 Yeah, for sure. I think really before camp, coming in, of course, off the rookie year,

Speaker 23 it was tough, the losing streak, the instability and all the drama that came with, of course, his first year.

Speaker 23 So, I mean, really just coming into that second year, having all that adversity really under your belt, there's really no worse that you can do. I feel like outside of what happened with us.

Speaker 23 So I feel like just really for him, going back to the drawing board, getting better, and then just coming to the building ready to work. But I mean, for him, it's always, he's always been confident.

Speaker 23 I think it's that that's not something that's ever going to change. I think it's just now about execution.

Speaker 20 Jay, you wanted a few vets last year that you called out your teammates. You didn't just say put it all on the coaches.
You put it on players also.

Speaker 20 You say you can lead a horse through water, but you can't make him drink.

Speaker 20 You know, some of these guys lack motivation.

Speaker 20 What were you trying to say without calling out any specific names? What message were you trying to get across to your teammates?

Speaker 20 Like, they're putting, look, he's probably, this coach is going to lose his job. But if, guess what?

Speaker 20 If you guys don't pick up your play, if you don't get better habits, the next coach gonna come in here, you'll lose his job too.

Speaker 23 Yeah, no,

Speaker 23 that's exactly what it is. And I feel like a lot of times guys get in the league and it's, oh man, this coach is this, man.
They, they playing me and they doing this. Like, nah, it's you.

Speaker 23 Like, for me, I'm, I'm one of those guys where it's like, if we not, if we getting beat on defense, that means I'm getting beat individually.

Speaker 23 That means we all getting beat collectively as a unit it's not necessarily the scheme and no we had bad eyes and the dude we let a guy go free or i didn't win my matchup whatever it is so i don't think it's always fair to say now there's damn some coaches that can put you in bad positions but i think for me my biggest thing was always look at yourself first and for us i feel like we didn't have guys that exhausted every everything i feel like after practice that'll tell you really what you have in the team how many guys are catching the hundred plus passes on jugs how many guys are working on technique how many D-linemen are doing their pass-rushing drills?

Speaker 23 How many receivers are working on releases with the DBs? To me, all that goes without being having to be told to you. So I think for me, that's my biggest thing.

Speaker 23 It's like, nah, we can't call somebody else out for we call ourselves out. We got to look at us and then put the work in individually.

Speaker 23 And then we can start pointing the finger somewhat to everybody else.

Speaker 20 I'm looking at you guys, man. Last year, you guys had some, you guys lost some close games.
I mean, you literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Speaker 20 I don't know how you guys did if you had to get, you guys had a game. Why? I was like, oh, bad, the bears done got this one.

Speaker 23 A few times. No doubt.

Speaker 20 So let me ask you a question. Like, when you're on the field at Washington and you're like, man, ain't no way he could throw this ball this far.
Okay, but if he does, we're going to knock it down.

Speaker 20 Or you see a situation where you have several games, but you guys were winning late in the ball game and you end up losing.

Speaker 20 How frustrating is that when a team young like yourself trying to win, but seemingly find ways to lose?

Speaker 23 I know Washington, that one still hurts me because they showed all the damn time.

Speaker 20 So I mean, it's hard to run from that one.

Speaker 23 All the other ones you kind of can forget about, but I think just really in that moment, it's about

Speaker 23 maturity and having that composure. I feel like it's really just about composure.
I feel like at times we let the moment get too big and the execution slips.

Speaker 23 I feel like even on the Hail Mary, of course, my dog wasn't locked in on the other side, but I feel like even before that, I feel like there's some things that we could have been locked in and focused on in that moment, practicing.

Speaker 20 Yeah, y'all let that man get out of bounds, throw that 10-yard out. Why the hell, y'all?

Speaker 20 I ain't gonna go. Go ahead, Jay.
Go ahead, baby, boy. I ain't gonna let it, Jay.

Speaker 23 I'm gonna let you go.

Speaker 23 But it's really just stuff like that. Even late in the game, I know we had.
I think it was a close game with Green Bay before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams, of course, divisional games.

Speaker 23 But I think it really just comes down to that poise in the moment, that poise in executing when it comes down to it.

Speaker 23 Because, I mean, I feel like, again, every team goes over situational ball it's not something that is a lack of knowledge it's just really a lack of poison execution in that moment but that comes with experience so hopefully we don't keep having those same mistakes

Speaker 20 looking at your offensive line they rebuilt the offensive

Speaker 23 what you got going on big doll

Speaker 23 this is spanos say hello spanos spanos Thanos. Yeah.

Speaker 20 That's a hell of a name for that little bitty.

Speaker 20 He said, hold on, hold on. He said, what you tried to say, Jay? What you tried to say.

Speaker 23 That's all right. He gonna get bigger or he gonna stay that side?

Speaker 20 Nah, this is it.

Speaker 20 Come on. I don't know what you got going on.

Speaker 20 The big one upstairs, he in his pen. He's asleep.

Speaker 23 Understood. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Do you think you see, I'm gonna go offensive line. That's my point.
I look at what you did offensively. You guys went and got three.
I look like, I think, three new starters.

Speaker 20 to protect Caleb Williams. You draft the tight end in the first round, the goal with Cole Comet, with DJ Moore.

Speaker 20 You got, I mean, Zacchaeus, you got guys at a Roman Doomsday, your first round draft pick. Offensively, you guys should be better.

Speaker 20 But you do realize, Jay, if the offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take a step back. You have to meet them where they are.

Speaker 23 Yeah, for sure. I think, too, for us in Chicago, we a defensive city.
So, I mean,

Speaker 20 they meet us where we at.

Speaker 20 Okay, that's what's up. That's what's up.

Speaker 23 Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 23 We're not worried about matching them and what they're doing. So I think for us, just just really just keeping that.
That's our culture. I mean, tough, gritty Chicago ball.

Speaker 23 I mean, it starts with the defense. So we're not really tripping.
I mean, Dennis Allen leading a

Speaker 23 hell of a defense. Yeah, coaching Tina.

Speaker 20 He calls defense now.

Speaker 23 I love me some DA right now.

Speaker 23 He ain't running me wrong yet. So I love DA.
Al Harris, of course, is the DB's coach and teaching us and really showing us how to take the ball away.

Speaker 23 So, I mean, for us on defense, we're not worried about setting that standard. We're going to push the bar a little bit.

Speaker 22 Hey, listen, you being one of the better man-to-man DBs in the NFL, right? I'm going to ask your opinion on who you think the top five receivers are in the game right now.

Speaker 22 Been the most difficult challenge for you to cover so far.

Speaker 23 Top five. I feel like top five, you got to put some details on.
Is it just skill? Are we going off production? How you want to?

Speaker 22 I mean,

Speaker 23 like, it's kind of different

Speaker 20 you face. What about the ones you face?

Speaker 22 Let's go. Let's go.
The guys you face. You could, you could, you could, you could face your top five based off those you face

Speaker 23 i would say

Speaker 23 no order i would say justin um i'd say aj brown

Speaker 23 i'll go to re kill

Speaker 23 that's three

Speaker 23 um that i face

Speaker 20 I don't know if you see Amin Ra because he's mainly in the slot.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I would say it's tough because he's good i think for me i don't i just don't get enough reps against him jamar i only seen him when he was a rookie um early in the season so i haven't really seen seen him but i would still throw jamar in my top five for sure um

Speaker 23 four

Speaker 23 or not four or five this would be

Speaker 23 i probably either i would say cd lamb

Speaker 23 is in my top five. I know as far as covers, I would throw Mike Evans in there.
He's definitely giving me some problems, especially early in my career.

Speaker 23 Yeah, those will probably be the hardest guys on top of my top five in general.

Speaker 22 Okay, that's dope. Listen, I know you have your team goals, you know, what you want to do defensively.

Speaker 22 Are you allowed to

Speaker 22 tell us any individual goals you might have for this season?

Speaker 23 Hell yeah, that ain't against no rules from what I've seen.

Speaker 22 I know some people don't want to disclose what their individual goals are. So, I mean, I just

Speaker 23 got them memorized. Now, I know I want to have seven interceptions, three force fumbles.
I want to have 10 turnovers,

Speaker 23 50% completion or lower than 50%.

Speaker 23 No touchdowns allowed.

Speaker 23 And then what was my last one? What was my last stat?

Speaker 23 I think I was like seven or so TFLs.

Speaker 23 And then

Speaker 23 I feel like I'm missing one more.

Speaker 23 I think it was 300, no more than 300 yards given up in the season.

Speaker 20 I like that. Defensive score, pick six, scoop and score.

Speaker 23 Oh, three touchdowns. That was the last one.
That was the last one. Three touchdowns.

Speaker 22 What did you do?

Speaker 20 What did you do different this year to make those goals a reality?

Speaker 20 I bought a jug machine.

Speaker 23 Bought a jug machine for sure.

Speaker 23 Definitely give my catches in. And it's crazy because it's like being a DB,

Speaker 23 you're not really taught catching techniques and how to track the ball, what part of the ball to track to look at. You just kind of just go out there and catch it.

Speaker 23 But it's like, when I was on the jug, seeing it, kind of looking at different things, I'm like, nah, you really got to

Speaker 23 see the tip. Like you see the tip, you, you, you pause.

Speaker 20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad you caught that.

Speaker 20 You noticed, oh, Joe, and I didn't say nothing. I wasn't saying a word.
Did you clean that up, cuz?

Speaker 23 I was like, that told me that,

Speaker 23 hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 20 Seeing the point, seeing the point of

Speaker 20 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It helped you.

Speaker 23 Yeah, it helped you. It helped you catch it a lot better.
You can see you can catch it. So I think for me, that's been the biggest thing, getting reps at that.

Speaker 23 And then really everything else, just always working on a technique, make sure I'm in position.

Speaker 23 But other than that, it's really just a mind, a mindset going and seeing the ball and the balls in the air, going to go get it.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I think the thing is, is that you have to think because as a DB, you're taught to knock the ball down. You have to retrain the way you think.
You got to like, I got to go catch this ball.

Speaker 20 As a receiver, we're taught, you'll catch it.

Speaker 20 We ain't trying to, I mean, obviously, if the ball is go about to be intercepted we taught to knock it down but you're more mainly taught more so to knock it down than catch it so now you have to retrain yourself you see guys they get a lot of picks you see like a like a deon or rod woods in charge they like no no no no no no did you play wide receiver were you at any point in time did you play off the cool i had a little package or something but i wasn't i i i played defense i was always a defensive specialist Because most guys like play quarterback with a wide receiver or something that was a that was a DB.

Speaker 20 So they just crazy.

Speaker 23 it's a lot easier to catch on offense than defense i promise it is it is yeah and it and i don't know why but i feel like like when i play receivers like it was easy to like i didn't really drop too many passes but when i gotta get on defense i feel like it's a lot it's a lot different

Speaker 20 because you and you do realize on offense when the ball's coming your way we're actually trying to throw it to you see you

Speaker 20 when the ball coming your way we ain't trying to throw it to you we trying to throw it to the guy that you cover it no doubt no doubt hey i i got i got one more question one more question

Speaker 22 Normally playing DB, obviously, I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of DB play.

Speaker 22 How do you know when to take chances

Speaker 22 when you know what's coming based on alignment?

Speaker 22 Based on tendencies that you see watching film, how do you know when to take those chances? So basically, think about Asante Samuel in film.

Speaker 22 You already know I'm going with it. And who would get interceptions? He would always jump stuff because, okay, i know i i saw this i saw this on film i know

Speaker 22 how you know when to take those chances and when not to

Speaker 23 honestly i feel like it's honestly as simple as that i feel like if you know you know and i feel like if you don't then you got to somewhat be play reactionary game from there but i think a lot of times when you

Speaker 23 not even when you study when you look at the game and for me i've learned this as i've gotten older in the game it's like the offense is based on timing and spacing so it's like if you can understand their formations and the spacing that they're in, and you can get your read on the quarterbacks again, the timing of the routes, because I mean, you're not going to get a three-step and then he's running the nine-ball.

Speaker 23 I mean, he's probably not going to get the ball then, depending if you're playing off, man, at least, if you're playing off.

Speaker 23 So it's like really matching it up to where it's like, okay, if I can read the quarterback, get my three-step read, he's either got a hitch, he got a slant, and really that's about it.

Speaker 23 So it's like, I have no, really, no need to move. I think the biggest thing is a confidence in,

Speaker 20 I don't even say jumping. Believing what you see.

Speaker 23 Yeah, and taking it away.

Speaker 23 I think because when you sit there and you see that guy running full speed and I know receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard, but you're really not going deep.

Speaker 23 It's like, you got to be confident in yourself to where you see it. It's like, nah, I know this is, this is fake.
I'm about to go. Or I'm going to wait on it and then just really go from there.

Speaker 23 I think watching more film and like even watching dig since we got Al over here, it's like. he wasn't taking chances.
He just seen it. Yeah.
Like he would just see the quarterback.

Speaker 23 He would, I mean, he would get a good read on it.

Speaker 20 So, oh, yeah, I forgot. That's your DB coach, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 20 Yeah, Al Harris, yeah.

Speaker 23 You over here with the good guys.

Speaker 22 Hey, man, Terra Al, I said, What's up, man?

Speaker 23 I will. I will.
He told me he put pause on you back in the day.

Speaker 22 What kind of Paul? What kind of Paul you talk about? He is. Nah, well, he might be tripping.
Go to him. Nah, I'm playing.
He ain't said that.

Speaker 23 He had said that. I'm a dog.
I'm playing.

Speaker 22 I don't want no

Speaker 22 nice though, but hey, Jay, JJ.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 22 Hey, him and mike mckenzie when they was in green bay yeah

Speaker 20 the dreads

Speaker 20 yeah hey al would take a chance now and you hey you better not play with al you remember seattle where they say hey he uh the quarterback call heads oh and we're gonna start

Speaker 20 out

Speaker 20 i'll take that it hits the other way Yes.

Speaker 23 Yeah, nah,

Speaker 23 I love having Al. It's for sure that ball mentality, especially like when you see three-step, he didn't get mad at the DBs he ain't driving the three-step.

Speaker 23 We ain't driving certain routes when we see the quarterback. So it's all about really getting those reads and having confidence.

Speaker 20 You do realize that the corners, you guys live on an island.

Speaker 23 100%.

Speaker 20 It's you

Speaker 20 and that guy. It's Mano E.
Mano. That's the matchup.
And a lot of times, you ain't got no help.

Speaker 20 You got to have amnesia. You to play corners, you got to have amnesia because you're going to give up some ball.
Guy's going to run a great route. He get paid just like you do.

Speaker 20 He's studying Jalen just like you studying him.

Speaker 23 But

Speaker 20 how are you able to block it out? You give up a touchdown or you give up a big play. How are you able to block it out like, okay, that happened? Especially if it's early.

Speaker 20 Because knowing that you got three and a half quarters left to play.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I think for me, it's life. I feel like DB, playing DB for me is just another area of life for me as far as...

Speaker 23 Stuff gonna happen to you early in life. Stuff will happen to you late in life.
And it's like, you still got life to live.

Speaker 23 So, I mean, for for me i don't get too i like that i don't get too caught up in it it's like at the end of the day when you live long enough you're gonna mess up and you're gonna do some good things when you play db long enough you're gonna give up some passes you're gonna break up some passes so i think for me it's really as simple as that i think i know medea said in one of her movies or in one of the movies i gotta get them more than they get me yeah so i mean i feel like that's really the that's really the name of the game i think honestly it's just trying to not get got as many and as less as you can and then get them more as much as you can but it's really that simple I think, too, especially when you're going against top guys.

Speaker 23 I mean, I got I personally got a gauntlet this year with all the receivers. I'm a season, so it's like I'm gonna enjoy it.

Speaker 23 I mean, yeah, they're gonna catch some passes, but again, for me, as long as I win more than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel like I'll be good.

Speaker 20 Well, good luck this season, man. Stay healthy.
Thanks for joining us, Jake.

Speaker 22 He's leaving already.

Speaker 23 Yeah,

Speaker 23 what's up? Hello,

Speaker 22 y'all. Y'all, y'all at home week one?

Speaker 23 Yes, sir. Monday night.
You're gonna pull up, huh?

Speaker 22 Matter of fact, you know what? I gotta be, I gotta be

Speaker 22 at the sports book at Wrigley Field on Sunday.

Speaker 23 No, I swear for God. Oh, okay.

Speaker 22 I got week one. I'm at the sports book on Sunday at Wrigley Field.
So I'm going to just...

Speaker 23 You're going to be at the game on Monday, though.

Speaker 22 I'll stay if

Speaker 22 you can get me a ticket.

Speaker 23 I'll get whatever you need. You just holler at me.

Speaker 22 Bet, bet. No, I really got to be there.
No, no, it's for the team. I really got to be there.

Speaker 22 Dead ass.

Speaker 23 No doubt. Tell your people, hit my people, and I'll take care of you.
We family.

Speaker 22 All right, bet. And I can come over to field and stuff and get autographs and stuff.

Speaker 23 Hey, man, it's all. It's you.
It is you, man. I'll talk to my people.

Speaker 22 Let's go. I got you.
All right, bet.

Speaker 23 All right, I'm going to holler at y'all.

Speaker 20 All right, Jay-Badge. Stay healthy, man.
Good luck this season, man. We'll chat down the road.

Speaker 23 No doubt.

Speaker 20 Jalen Johnson, cornerback for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 22 He's nice, too, boy.

Speaker 20 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 20 Oh, Joe, Troy Aikman spoke about Michael Parsons' leverage. His leverage is they can't win without him.
Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're going to be able to slow anybody down.

Speaker 20 Now, what the Cowboys are going to do,

Speaker 20 you think I know the answer to that? But the longer they wait, the price just continues to go up for Michael Parsons. Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts.

Speaker 20 Emmett held out lasted two days before Jerry came to his senses. They went 0-2.

Speaker 20 They got Emmett back, and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. I think Emmett led the league in Russian that year.

Speaker 20 Should we expect a holdout? Do you foresee a holdout until Michael Parsons gets his money, or does he come in and play in good faith?

Speaker 22 Who comes and plays in good faith?

Speaker 20 Micah.

Speaker 22 Man, Micah ain't no goddamn fool.

Speaker 23 Absolutely not.

Speaker 22 I told you they will always use that against you. If they know you're a fool, because you love the game of football, they'll play there, play in your face all day.

Speaker 22 They will play in your face all day. Absolutely.
Micah better not come back. No, sir, no, sir.
Especially, especially with the owner has come out and said and

Speaker 22 the game of

Speaker 22 mind games that Jerry's playing too, publicly. Talk about your agent.
He talk about the player.

Speaker 23 Oh, hell no.

Speaker 23 I'm not coming back. Absolutely not.

Speaker 22 Well, what's the point? What's the point in paying him? He might miss games like he did last year with him.

Speaker 20 That still irked you that he said that, huh?

Speaker 22 Yes. You know, how do you, I'm still can't, I like, how do you say something like that about your player?

Speaker 22 That's something that you think that you don't want to say to yourself, like, damn, I paid him all this money and now he's on the sideline hurt. You don't say that out loud.

Speaker 20 You speaking stuff into existence.

Speaker 22 Like, I mean, man,

Speaker 23 boy,

Speaker 22 boy, you lucky. You know what?

Speaker 22 I'm going to win me some good money.

Speaker 22 And I'm going to go buy the Cowboys.

Speaker 22 You laughing. I'm going to go buy the Cowboys and me and you gonna run it.

Speaker 20 Ocho, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us to get enough money to buy the Cowboys.

Speaker 22 You never know,

Speaker 22 you never know. Never, never say never.

Speaker 20 Never.

Speaker 20 Ocho, that's tied to his whole identity. Even when he's dead and gone, former Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.
So

Speaker 20 we, hey, we might can pull our penis together and get something that get it on something else, Ocho, but the Cowboys ain't it.

Speaker 20 Hey, look,

Speaker 20 that's that's uh something that you sit down and talk with your agent how well you've done with your money um that you could withstand

Speaker 20 um 20 million dollars so that's basically a million dollars a week he'd be stepping away from

Speaker 20 um

Speaker 22 um oh you ain't got to step away you can stay right there

Speaker 20 you stay right there he ain't gonna play in the game he gonna play in the games no well if you don't play in the games you don't get paid back spasm that's all right he hurt he in he there

Speaker 22 He's under contract, right?

Speaker 20 Yes.

Speaker 22 Okay. Longs, if he shows up, oh, my back hurt.
I can't play. Y'all want to play games? We can play games.

Speaker 23 Oh, he's going to get paid.

Speaker 20 That, boy, that'd be an ugly situation.

Speaker 22 I mean, Jerry making it ugly.

Speaker 20 I can't say I disagree with you.

Speaker 22 Oh, I mean, he, I'm listening. Jerry wants to play hardball.

Speaker 20 He does.

Speaker 22 But hey,

Speaker 20 I don't know why.

Speaker 20 I don't know why Jerry does this. I don't know why he wakes the week before the season.
We saw it with CD. We saw it with Dak.
We see it with Zeke. Emmett missed two games.

Speaker 20 The difference was, Emmett didn't have a contract. See, Emmett did not hold out.
Emmett didn't have a contract.

Speaker 23 At all. At all.

Speaker 23 Okay, okay.

Speaker 20 So,

Speaker 22 damn just think about that, man.

Speaker 22 Man, I, boy,

Speaker 23 why?

Speaker 22 Ooh, we, boy, if I, if I own the Cowboys,

Speaker 22 I'm telling you, boy. Well, well, we have a super, we have a Super Bowl every year, but I'm spending everything for everybody.

Speaker 20 We need to start playing the lottery then. I'm going to start.

Speaker 20 They don't have the lottery right here in Vegas because they got casinos. They don't want you playing the lottery.
They want you to go to the casino.

Speaker 22 They don't want you to double dip, huh?

Speaker 20 They don't want anything that's going to take money out of casino pockets. Okay, okay.
So,

Speaker 22 yeah, the Cowboys fans, they deserve, they deserve,

Speaker 22 they deserve this, man.

Speaker 23 They deserve a reason.

Speaker 20 They deserve misery. No, no.

Speaker 20 Pain.

Speaker 22 Oh, okay.

Speaker 20 You remember what Clubber Lag told Rocky? They say, what do you see for about Mr. Balboa? Pain.

Speaker 20 Damn, man.

Speaker 20 That's what,

Speaker 20 it's tough. It's tough because Michael's been an all-pro.
He's been defensive rookie of the year. He's been all those pro bows that he's been to.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 20 Jerry has compensated him for that. Now he's saying, Jerry,

Speaker 20 I've outplayed that contract.

Speaker 20 Based on what I believe I'll be the next four to five years, this is what I need accordingly.

Speaker 20 Now, maybe it was he's gonna make it the highest paid. Now you gotta make it the highest paid again, which is more than what TJ Watt got.
More guaranteed money.

Speaker 20 Said, I'm gonna, he said, Michael said, I need like 150.

Speaker 20 I tell you what, you know what? I'm nice.

Speaker 20 135, guaranteed. I need like 180.
I need like, I need like

Speaker 20 four years,

Speaker 20 220

Speaker 22 hey you know what's funny when i think about it too and jerry think he's slick trying to make it seem like he was gonna pay mica parsons and have him the highest paid but it was before miles garrett contract it was before tj watt tj watt it was before and and before your guy chase back crosby

Speaker 20 yeah before chase

Speaker 20 so it wasn't gonna be in the 40. so now hey bro that thing at 42 43.

Speaker 22 it wouldn't have been no good i mean it would it would have been good no disrespect to those that are watching.

Speaker 22 I'm just saying, in terms of the type of player and caliber in which Michael Parsons could be paid, it wouldn't be no good.

Speaker 20 And he's young,

Speaker 20 baby. He's 26,

Speaker 22 baby. That's crazy, man.

Speaker 20 26 years of age. Yeah, I need all that, Jerry.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 20 I need, I need go. I tell you what, Jerry.
Hey,

Speaker 20 five.

Speaker 20 Give me five for 250.

Speaker 23 Damn.

Speaker 20 Five for 250.

Speaker 20 I don't want but 140. I don't want but 140, 150 guaranteed.

Speaker 22 Oh, so the 250 just just to make it look good?

Speaker 20 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.
I don't care about the guarantee. I tell you what, Jerry, you give me five for 500 million, but I need 150 of it fully guaranteed.

Speaker 22 Okay, I like that.

Speaker 20 I don't care nothing about that fluff.

Speaker 20 You see they put all that, you see all the plate, the plate be all designed. They got all that stuff drizzle, all like that.

Speaker 20 Does it taste good up under the, what's up under all that drizzle does it taste good

Speaker 23 yeah

Speaker 20 all that fluff i see how much money is guaranteed that's all that a that's all that matters that's all i need to know

Speaker 20 what i'm gonna see

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