BEST OF NFL NEWS PART 1: Kerby Joseph CALLS OUT Bears + Leonard Williams on Seahawks expectations

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Speaker 10 all-pro safety from the Detroit Lions led the league in interception last year. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Kirby Joseph.
KJ, what it do? What's up, y'all, man?

Speaker 10 I just want to thank y'all for having me on here.

Speaker 10 What's up? Kirby, well, you got me. Yeah, I see the I see y'all.
I was saying the same thing, Ocho. I'm thinking the same thing.
I'm thinking the same thing.

Speaker 14 Hey, I ain't never, hey, I ain't never seen nothing like that. Boy, what you say?

Speaker 10 No, I'm in that. I'm in that thing.
He's on that color. That looked like a color of the sun.
That would look like an hour ago.

Speaker 10 Where I'm sitting. You know, I'm sitting, you know, many, many miles away, but that would have looked like.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm bad. I'm in the gap.

Speaker 10 Hey, we look like you in space, boy. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 10 How was your offseason? Coming in? Because look, the last couple of years, you get to the NFC championship game, you lose to the divisional round. So how is your offseason?

Speaker 10 And how do you lose the last two seasons, this offseason, to get you right where you need to be coming into this season? So to be honest, I felt like that last season made me even hungrier.

Speaker 10 You know, just getting the taste of like that I can do it, then I'm going to like achieve it all. That's just how I am as a person.
You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to stop at nine.

Speaker 10 Like, you know what I'm saying? I got nine interceptions. I'm not going to stop at nine.
I'm always going to try to PR.

Speaker 10 you know, because I feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

Speaker 10 Hey, how was how was camp this year how's the body holding up obviously are you going into are you uncle always has a saying if you if you limp into the season you're gonna limp out the season how's your body holding up how did camp go and how you feeling going man honestly everything went great man i feel like we had a great camp i just feel like um i know now like you know this is like year four for me so it's like a lot of stuff i done seen before so like that that that that saying that saying like oh the more years you play like the more experience you'll get like it is that's like that's the truth you know cliche

Speaker 10 look last year you guys man you got up to this great start you played pretty well all year but these injuries started to mount you lose a d lineman you lose a d tackle you lose a linebacker you lose a backup you lose you just kept you losing player after player and ag did a great job and coach campbell your head coach did a great job of keeping this team standing like no matter who we lose guys hey this is why we have 53 man rosters hey guys come in you do your job that's all i need you to do is your job it had to be frustrating you like well damn bro i mean

Speaker 10 at some point in time we got to run out of defensive players we can't lose anybody else yeah last year that was i never seen nothing like that in football i never seen i never seen that before that it was i wouldn't say it was frustrating but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers you know i'm saying like

Speaker 10 get injured and stuff because nobody wants to get injured in this game you know saying but we love seeing this game and you know that's what we signed up for. You know, injuries are going to happen.

Speaker 10 But like, how that happened.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 That was crazy. Yeah.
I've never seen that before. But

Speaker 10 I feel like, I feel like, man, we just, we just knew what we had to do. You know, I mean, you know, guys go down.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 And if it's something like that that happens, man, I feel like

Speaker 10 I don't pride myself on like

Speaker 10 just having like, I wouldn't say I, but I feel like us as a team,

Speaker 10 we don't we don't

Speaker 10 how should i say we don't believe in like ones and twos you know what i'm saying it's like the next right gotta go everybody those starters go on yeah yeah because like i tell i tell the group all the time like even everybody always says it's gonna take all of us to win you know what i'm saying so like as a team that's just what you gotta do you know what i'm saying when your brother down man you gotta step up to play

Speaker 10 how different go ahead ojo hey

Speaker 14 Well, now I'm going to say, obviously, with AG being being gone, I'm one of the ones I've always come the bat for you guys regardless of who the person is calling the defensive plays, with AG now being with the Jets, but the same players are still there.

Speaker 14 So, regardless of who's calling the plays, from your perspective and your point, are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are, being able to have a little freedom to do what you want?

Speaker 10 Are you allowed to? Yeah, I feel like I wouldn't say now, I always had a little freedom, especially when AG was there. Just, you know what I'm saying, learning it as I go.
You know,

Speaker 10 I feel like, yeah the same the same players are here you know what i'm saying um you know a g

Speaker 10 i'm a missile you know what i'm saying but you know he had to go do what he had to do at the jets you know what i'm saying i'm wishing them good luck and all but um i feel like i don't feel like the level of play is gonna gonna decline at all you know if anything i feel like it'll increase a lot more you know what i'm saying because now i feel like um it's just you know it's a new coaching staff change you know what i'm saying everybody has to go through that coaching staff change and that that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like it's a new turning point, you know, new chapter.

Speaker 14 Right. The thing for me,

Speaker 14 when I'm thinking, I think about safety play, you wanted a better seat, probably actually the best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 14 And to be able to get the amount of picks you get, there's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have that it can't be schemed. It can't be scripted.
It's not X's and O's.

Speaker 14 It's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye discipline and what you see so i know you have a new coaching staff and most of the time you get coaches that come in and they they have i don't want to i think maybe not ego for the most part but i want you to do things my way and my way only so i would i would just curious if even with the new coaching staff are you still allowed to have free will

Speaker 10 outside of the x and the those to be able to play your yeah for sure i feel like all like one thing i noticed about like a lot of a lot of my teammates on the on the team is that man like we're football players you know i feel like the team does a great job of allowing us to to be football players because you know football is not just what you see on paper it's not going to be like that in the game so you got to understand stuff happen so you gotta you know you gotta play football dog you just gotta play football out

Speaker 14 thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you i i i i like that you said that because listen something that i always struggle with somebody i mean obviously when i was playing you you go in they put they put uh the scheme the taxes this is what we're running they do the exit knows it's a straight line and he cuts right i'm like dude that's not how it happens in real time.

Speaker 14 You got people moving, pushing, and tugging. So it's kind of different out there on the field.

Speaker 14 And most of the time, I would always tell my officer coordinator: give me a little freedom to do what I do, but I'm going to stay within the timing of the offense.

Speaker 14 And the same thing on defense, it's all about reading and reacting in a certain amount of time, but I'm going to do everything I can the way you draw it up.

Speaker 14 But you got to give me some freedom where you don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but go ahead.

Speaker 10 I can't play football like a robot. That is just not in me, bro.
I gotta.

Speaker 10 Right, right.

Speaker 10 No,

Speaker 10 my question is, is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year that was your offensive coordinator for a long period of time.

Speaker 10 And, you know, he's drawing up plays to beat the defense in training camp. You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the offensive training camp.

Speaker 10 So how, how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it'll be to face Ben Johnson? We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football, and he happens to be in your division.

Speaker 10 You played them twice a year and they've loaded up. They went and got drafted a receiver in the second round.
They drafted a tight end in the first round. They shored up their offensive line.

Speaker 10 They're seemingly in the preseason and I don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby, but it seems to be they're flying around defensively. But you know their bread is butted on the offense.

Speaker 10 They got a first round draft pick. They got DJ Moore.
They got Roma Dunze. I think they got...

Speaker 10 was it Burton? I think they took Burton in the second round on Missouri. They got Loveland and Cole Komet.
So they're a really good team.

Speaker 10 But, you know, you're familiar with him and he's familiar with you guys.

Speaker 10 Hey, I like that you said that. Because,

Speaker 10 like, you know, Ben, Ben had to go do what he had to do, just like AG did. You know, I'm happy for him.
You know what I'm saying? The opportunity.

Speaker 10 Yeah, they got some guys over there. You know what I'm saying? But Ben knows what's up with me.

Speaker 10 Like you said, he knows what's up with me, bro. He knows what's up with me, bro.

Speaker 10 So I'm never going back down away from competition because honestly, I feel like that he knows the players and he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff.

Speaker 10 I feel like it's more of a challenge, you know. So I feel like it's always a way to get better.
And I feel like that's a big, big test right there.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you know what? I would tell you, I would like to tell you this. Dan Campbell, because when he first got the job, that man talking about bite kneecaps and he was going to do all this.

Speaker 10 I'm like, damn.

Speaker 10 So what's what's he really when the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice and and you guys are in the meeting room? or you what's dan campbell like

Speaker 10 honestly man

Speaker 10 i feel like i feel like i feel like dan campbell that's just a great coach you know i feel like he's more of a player's coach because just because he understands like what you know what we put our body through and what we go through throughout

Speaker 10 how everything be i feel like he does a a great job of like taking care of us and he shows that he's passionate you know about a lot of things we do like the reason why he's telling us uh, uh, these things he's telling us is because he wants us to win.

Speaker 10 Not only him to win, but he wants us to win. You know what I'm saying? Like, you people, I'm saying it's not just him or the team, it's us because we're doing this as a group.
We're a team.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? We're reaching one goal together. So I feel like he does a great job of just teaching us that.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 And a lot of the drills we do or a lot of the practices or the meeting, the team meetings, and stuff like that, man. I just felt like, man, every time that man get up

Speaker 10 and go up on that podium or whatever he's talking about, I'm ready to go right now. I'm ready right now.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I'm ready right now. So I just, man, I love Coach Campbell, man.
He does, you know, I'm saying everything.

Speaker 14 I like it. I like it.
Hey, what's your nutrition like? Are you one of those healthy eaters? You know, eat green stuff all the time? Like, are you

Speaker 10 big into that?

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 I'm going to try to eat good.

Speaker 10 But if good,

Speaker 10 like, if I ain't got, you know, I'm not going to go over the extent to just starve myself or not eating food. I'm going to eat my food.

Speaker 14 See, I like it. See, so that brings me to my next question.
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Speaker 10 I got a new job.

Speaker 10 You guys traded Tim Patrick, Jameson Williams, going into his like third. Jameson,

Speaker 10 do you think he's ready to take that next step? Because we've seen him show the flashes.

Speaker 10 We know what Almond Ra, we know what he's going to do, but not Jameson, you know, and at first he was just that guy that tried to get deep.

Speaker 10 But now you can just put the ball, you can hand it to him and he can go hit his head on the goalpost.

Speaker 10 You can throw him a smoke screen, jailbreak screen, and he can go get the, he can go to the end zone. So what do you think?

Speaker 10 What can we expect to see from Jameson this year?

Speaker 10 Man,

Speaker 10 honestly,

Speaker 10 I'm so proud of Jimmo, man. Jimmo is one of the guys that you see out there and he just continues to get better.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? And I feel like this year, I feel like they ain't seen this Jimmo yet.

Speaker 10 They ain't seen this Jimmo yet.

Speaker 10 So I ain't, you know what I'm saying? I ain't going to put it all out though, but Jimmo this year for sure.

Speaker 10 He ready to rock. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey. Hey, where Brian Branch at?

Speaker 10 Man, BB.

Speaker 10 Man,

Speaker 10 I know right now, he probably summoned, but man, that's man, that's that's none of the guys on another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro.

Speaker 10 Like, bro, his, his, his back said, his back is uh, tools or whatever he used to play safety.

Speaker 14 Yeah, hey, he's nice.

Speaker 10 He may, he's nice.

Speaker 14 Listen, I talked about him.

Speaker 10 I talked about him all last year.

Speaker 14 Matter of fact, it got to the point where it was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it's like I was

Speaker 14 like, I was stalking. But I'm listening, I appreciate secondary play, DB play so much.

Speaker 14 Even though I'm a receiver, I was giving y'all voice credit week in and week out, just the way y'all played the game and the way y'all approached to the game. So

Speaker 14 I've always been a huge fan, especially, man, you and goddamn Brian Branch, man. Him being able to go to safety, then sometimes having to go to corn.

Speaker 10 I'm like, man, what the hell?

Speaker 10 Like a damn Swiss Army knife. He's doing everything.
Man, he's super talented, man. He's super talented.
I feel like one thing he does the most is like

Speaker 10 instincts crazy. His instincts are crazy.

Speaker 10 Him at nickel and him at safety is kind of the nickel is kind of up to park. But when they moved him back to safety, you know what I'm saying, with Lizou,

Speaker 10 man, like the plays he make, I just, you know what I'm saying? I'm still wishing I made them. I just put it like that.

Speaker 10 Are you a talker? I mean, when you're on the field, are you talking to the opposing team? Is your defense talkers? Or you guys just go play football?

Speaker 10 To to be honest i feel like everybody got their own little situation going on with me out there that's it

Speaker 10 good me personally i feel like i feel like i don't too much say nothing but somebody piss me off bro you're gonna hear me bro like i'm and once i'm going at you bro i'm never gonna stop

Speaker 10 yeah

Speaker 14 is it is there a player is there a player that you really don't like that y'all always go at it to give you a better example perspective mike evans and marshawn lattimore Lattimore.

Speaker 14 Do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the NFL or not?

Speaker 10 I got a couple.

Speaker 10 I got a couple of them. I don't too much be going for none of that, right?

Speaker 14 Is it is it personal or is like really serious? Like, I don't really, I don't, I don't see you like that.

Speaker 10 Like, I really

Speaker 10 want it.

Speaker 10 Who that, who that guy? I want to know. I want to know something.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you. I ain't, I'll tell you.
I'll tell you that. I'll tell you.

Speaker 10 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, because once they find out, they're going to be trying to separate.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Okay, okay, I got you.

Speaker 10 Because once he finds out, he's going to try to get you before you get him. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Now

Speaker 10 he knows who I am.

Speaker 10 So, okay. Obviously,

Speaker 10 your head coach, and you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense are still there. Although you lost both of your coordinators, the expectations are still high.

Speaker 10 You guys won 15 games last year. The year before that, you went to the NFC championship game.

Speaker 10 Bro, it's time. I mean, you know,

Speaker 10 you only get so many bite of the apple, Kirby, before the apple's gone. That

Speaker 10 y'all be taking big bites.

Speaker 10 Hey,

Speaker 10 we ain't going to stop.

Speaker 10 Hey, we ain't going to stop till we get there, though. Like, but I don't never see myself, especially, like, stopping.

Speaker 10 I feel like a lot of the things we went through, I feel like it was to get us to this moment right now. I feel like we got a lot of guys healthy.
We got guys back. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 I feel like, especially the guys that were on the team last year, they kind of understand that we gave it even more than we did the first year, but that still wasn't enough. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 So got to still keep going because now it's just any minute, minute thing going on with the game that could be the change at the top of the game. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 So just working on the situations and stuff like that. And then just, we got to make plays.
You know what I'm saying? I feel like, I feel like.

Speaker 10 A lot of the things that happen on the field with like playmaking, I feel like it's not only the coaches getting on us, but it's ourselves because we gotta, we keep ourselves accountable with a lot of the things.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, because it's like,

Speaker 10 I be hard on myself when I don't get an interception for the game, you know, because I feel like I leave my team down. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 And BB might feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks. You know what I'm saying? It's just stuff like that.
Like, you know, I just be like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 Let's help each other and keep each other on point.

Speaker 10 Week 16, you face a very familiar opponent. You was in the same division with this guy, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 10 He's he's with the steelers now you've had a lot of success against rogers you looking forward to that matchup

Speaker 10 yeah yeah

Speaker 10 hey hey that's my favorite quarterback though no

Speaker 10 you you expect him to throw you a couple huh yeah yeah yeah well yeah that ain't gonna stop yeah yeah

Speaker 10 that ain't gonna stop but hey he cool though he cool for sure

Speaker 10 I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see if he's going to sign one of them.
I was about to ask you the same thing. I'm saying, you tried to get one of them balls signed? Yeah, what are Aaron Rogers?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ball.

Speaker 10 I'm trying to at least wanted them. I got about.

Speaker 10 I'll try to just get a sign. I'm just trying to get a slide.
I'm just trying to get a slide.

Speaker 10 Y'all play the Steelers week 16.

Speaker 14 Hey,

Speaker 14 y'all don't play the Steelers.

Speaker 10 I think we got him on the schedule this year.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I think that's my first time going against Joe Burrow.

Speaker 10 You got, do you circle? Do you circle games?

Speaker 10 Do you look at the calendar? Do you look at the schedule like, okay, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my time.
Yeah. Okay.
I like this. I like this one.
Do you circle games? Week five.

Speaker 10 Y'all play the Bengals week five.

Speaker 14 Oh, for real? I'm going to the game.

Speaker 10 Where they play? Are they playing with Detroit Bunker?

Speaker 14 Okay, okay.

Speaker 14 I'll see you week five. I'm coming out y'all.

Speaker 10 I'm coming out there.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Hey,

Speaker 10 I don't feel like I got

Speaker 10 like a whole bunch of games, but I do be having like revenge games. I have like a revenge game or like somebody I played like the Bengals.
You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, that's one of my games out of circle because, you know, I never played them before. I always like to play different teams, see different people, see different plays, you know.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and you know, they got one of the better offenses, you know, the quarterback. You mentioned Joe.
They got T, they got Chase, the triple crown winner.

Speaker 10 They're supposed to be really, really good on that side of the football.

Speaker 10 so you guys are really going to have your work cut out for you yeah and i see my i see a couple of my dogs out there chase brown and pj

Speaker 10 yeah yeah so so them my dogs i'm trying to uh you know i jersey swab see all them boys you know i say it's always good to see you you know i've seen your teammates from way in the back and both way in the past so right

Speaker 10 well kirby man best of luck stay healthy thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight man wishing the uh the lions the best of luck and uh you guys win that division and get to the super bowl man Come back and join us and have a conversation with us again.

Speaker 10 For sure, man. For sure, man.

Speaker 10 Oh, go ahead. Hey,

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Speaker 10 Starting this week, hey, say, uh, he for real, are he playing?

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah, I got you. He's not for real.
He's not for real.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen, I'm

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Speaker 14 This is what it is. It's what I do.
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Speaker 14 Support black business.

Speaker 10 Look, look, when we, you know what I'm saying, get off the call, you know what I'm saying? Just hit me. You know what I'm saying? We could do that, though.

Speaker 14 I got you, man.

Speaker 10 I got you, Twin. I got you.
But I do want to thank y'all for having me out here. I want to thank God also just for giving me the opportunity to come out here every day and play football.

Speaker 10 You know what I'm saying? And just to give back. So appreciate y'all for having me.
Appreciate you rejoining the man. Appreciate that, man.
Take care. Stay healthy, man.

Speaker 10 We'll talk to you down the road.

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Speaker 10 in his first full season at the Seattle Seahawks. Here he is, big Leonard William.
Leonard, what's going on, man?

Speaker 10 Sir, how you guys doing? Can y'all hear me? We can hear you just fine. Can you hear us? Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yes, sir. I'm on my wife's computer, so I'm trying to figure out out how to change the name on it right now.

Speaker 10 Oh, you mean to tell me you're not Haley? L Dub, what's up, boy?

Speaker 10 You're not Haley?

Speaker 10 No, no, that ain't me. That ain't me.

Speaker 10 LW, what's good?

Speaker 10 I'm good. How you doing?

Speaker 14 Man, listen, man, life is good, man. One foot in front of the other, man.
I got my head high so I can see where I'm going.

Speaker 14 But before we start, before we get into football, I just want to know, do you got a nutritionist?

Speaker 10 I don't have, I do have a nutritionist on the team that I use. And then I also.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 Well, we're not using, we're not using him or her no more we're not using her no more listen i'm a meal prep i'm the nfl nutritionist i've been appointed by the nfl for all the players you know so i'm gonna send you information and i'm gonna be your meal i'm gonna meal prep you meals for the next 17 weeks and for the playoffs and um you my second client so i got is is you and kirby joseph and then i'm uh and 20 a week 20 a week that's all that's all i charge and so i'll be making sure prepared eat before everybody can tell all the rookies about this.

Speaker 14 I appreciate that.

Speaker 10 Literally,

Speaker 10 you get traded, you go to Seattle,

Speaker 10 and it seems like in Seattle, you found a home. I mean, look, it's not that you didn't play, you didn't play bad, but it seems like you found a home in Seattle.

Speaker 10 Can you tell us what's the biggest difference between Seattle and New York? And I'm not talking about geographically, but I'm saying in the defenses,

Speaker 10 was it something the way the coaches, the way you received the information? Was it the way they gave the information? Is it the defensive scheme? What was different about the defense?

Speaker 10 Man, honestly, I agree with you. I feel like I found a home out here in Seattle.
I feel like there's a combination of things that made it feel different.

Speaker 10 So, the fan base was one of the big differences. Just like the way they embrace me, the way they show up on game day, the way they support our team and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 And then, also, just in terms of schematics and coaches, I feel like, you know, having AD who came from the Cowboys

Speaker 10 and then Coach Mike McDonald, I feel like they just kind of created the scheme where they allow me to like play with freedom and they allow me to be like a playmaker and use my athleticism. And

Speaker 10 they celebrate me for, you know, just being in the backfield. And sometimes

Speaker 10 like if I'm seeing, if I see a play outside of the scheme, they allow me to like sometimes swim a block. Yeah, exactly.
Go make a play where,

Speaker 10 you know, a lot of times throughout my career, I feel like i've was almost too coachable at times where um you know i was taken away from my playmaking ability where i was like trying to play a block the way the coaches wanted me to and stuff like that so there's a lot of conversational stuff

Speaker 14 it's so funny you just said that we just talked to kirby joseph and the one things i asked him obviously they have a new uh defensive coordinator right and i said do you still have the freedom to have free will outside of the scheme that your coach has?

Speaker 14 Will they still allow you to do that?

Speaker 10 And he said, yes.

Speaker 14 And the fact that you started everything out about your coaches allowing you to have the freedom to be able to make plays based on your football knowledge and what your eyes see instead of what it says on paper

Speaker 14 is really, really important, especially for players like yourself to be able to reach their maximum potential out there on Sundays. And that's really dope.
That's really, really dope to hear.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I agree. I think it's important.
I mean, for me, it just made me feel like it brought like the excitement of football back for me a little bit too, which made me like once I started having fun.

Speaker 10 I'm like, y'all played before, so you know how it is. Like, when you're out there having fun and you're able to play free and,

Speaker 10 you know, have free will and be celebrated for it, it's like

Speaker 10 the best side of you comes out. And I feel like that's how it is here.

Speaker 10 Let me ask you this: when you're at the Giants and then you get traded, you're like, damn, has anybody ever been traded from the Giants to the Jets or Jets to the Giants? I mean,

Speaker 10 because it is so different. Jet fans, I mean, the Jets fans and the Giants fans, they're so different.
The city reacts so different to each team.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, like you said, even though we played in the same stadium, the fan base felt different. The culture felt very different.

Speaker 10 The Jets were kind of further out in Jersey. Felt like we were like a New Jersey team kind of.
And then the Giants being so close to the city made me feel like I was an actual New York team.

Speaker 10 But it was, it was very interesting. I mean, luckily, I didn't have to move during that trade.
I was still able to stay in my house.

Speaker 10 But it was definitely weird when like that same week I got traded, I ended up playing in the stadium. And like instead of going into one parking lot, I went to a different parking lot.

Speaker 10 And instead of walking down that hall to go to one locker room, I just went to a different locker room. So it was very strange.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was interesting.

Speaker 14 Yeah. How's the body holding up, man? You're going into camp.
I mean, actually.

Speaker 14 camp now ending preparing for week one how's the body holding up i mean amazing honestly i mean

Speaker 10 I have a coaching staff. Our strength staff here at Seattle is the same strength staff I had at USC.

Speaker 10 Okay, that's dope. It's really cool.
So they got to see me develop as like a young player. So they know what works for Leonard Williams.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 10 And we all talk about how it looks like I'm like, and it feels like I'm in the best shape of my life, honestly. I mean, that's saying something.

Speaker 10 I mean, for a guy your size to be able to move and be as agile. I mean, because we saw, what did they say? You're the largest guy to ever get a what? You have a 90-yard return, a return return.

Speaker 10 You're the heaviest guy in NFL history to return

Speaker 10 an interception that far for a touchdown, correct?

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 take us through that play.

Speaker 10 Were you supposed to drop in courage, or did you see something? You see his eyes? And just like, look, I'm going to make this play.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's one of Mike McDonald's genius plays right there, actually, where it was designed for the d-tackles to drop out and i actually got a pick and practice uh earlier in camp that year so when that play was dialed up like every time it's dialed up i'm thinking i'm a play is coming my way and it just happened like it happened so fast man like people were asking me like oh like what were you thinking when it happened and i was telling everybody it felt like it was like an outer body experience actually like i felt I was almost watching myself from like an aerial view of the half.

Speaker 10 You snagged it. I mean, it wasn't like it like you did.
I'm just like, nah, bro, you, I mean, like, you played tight end at some point in time. You caught the ball.

Speaker 10 You played on the other side of the ball. You had to.

Speaker 10 That was not a defensive title.

Speaker 10 That means a lot.

Speaker 10 But yeah,

Speaker 10 I played. I played tight in the high school, but it wasn't like much.
It was like just every once in a while. I went to a big high school, so we didn't have to play both sides that much.

Speaker 10 But I'm an athlete, though.

Speaker 10 Hey, hey,

Speaker 14 were you from LA?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I was born in California, but I went to high high school in Daytona Beach, Florida. So I was kind of back and forth

Speaker 10 from California, Florida, most of my upbringing. Okay.

Speaker 10 You got a different quarterback this year, Geno Lee's, who

Speaker 10 goes to the Las Vegas Raiders. In comes Sam Donnell, who did an excellent job last year.
But you play with

Speaker 10 Sam in...

Speaker 10 with the Jets. So you're very familiar with him.

Speaker 10 What are the expectations?

Speaker 10 You guys had a nice little end to the season last year. I mean, so what's the expectations this year for Seattle?

Speaker 10 I mean, I think the expectation is,

Speaker 10 you know, as a defense, we want to be the best on the field.

Speaker 10 We have high expectations for our offense this year, but like we compete with each other even within the defensive room. It's like the defensive line wants to be the best group on the defense.

Speaker 10 The DBs want to be. best group on the defense and and so on but i'm definitely excited about the way our offense is looking right now We got a new coordinator and we're running the ball great so far.

Speaker 10 It's only been preseason, but it just looks like a new team with the way we're running the ball. And then, like you said, I played with Sam Darnold

Speaker 10 on the Jets. And then I also played with him at USC for like one year.

Speaker 10 Damn, you can't get away from him, huh?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I know. He keeps following me.

Speaker 10 But like just seeing what he did last year, I mean, you know, he even played against us really well when we played them last year against against the Vikings.

Speaker 10 And just seeing the way he's matured, you know, he's bounced around, played on a few teams, played in a few different systems. And I think he's finally found his groove and matured into a good player.

Speaker 14 Most definitely. I mean, I'm excited for you guys too, especially from an offensive perspective.

Speaker 14 Seeing what Sam Donald was able to do in Minnesota last year, obviously with Justin Jefferson and Addison and Hoggins.

Speaker 10 But then also.

Speaker 14 Now you got JSN, you got Cooper Cup over there, Kenneth Walker, obviously taking some of the pressure off him from um allowing him to to be able to flourish i think y'all gonna be fine y'all y'all y'all gonna be fine so i'm excited for y'all who y'all got week one we got the niners divisional match divisional match divisional robbery week one baby yeah y'all y'all got

Speaker 10 niners they hurt they don't know who they're gonna throw the ball to yeah y'all let me ask you a question when you when you when you tell me what what's your mindset what's your thought process because you know you do you move up and down the line because you know all the the great like a lot of the defensive players that you know the reggie weiss the bruce smith the aaron donalds those guys the johnny randles warren sapp they moved up and down the line and they're trying to turn the handle to the door and see which one opens the quickest which one opened the easiest and that's where i'm gonna stay so i might be a i might have to be line up in a a seven i might have to line up at a five i might get in a three i might get a i might get in the nose i i whatever i'm just trying to find the weakest link because that's how it is on the serenget.

Speaker 10 The old and the weak get taken advantage of. That's what I'm looking to do.

Speaker 10 I mean, you said it perfectly. I mean, I never heard it described with the opening the door thing.
That's like, I'm going to have to take that back into the D-line room and spread that.

Speaker 10 But yeah, I mean, I think that's something that makes me a unique player.

Speaker 10 Since coming out of college, I could play from the zero all the way out to like six, nine technique on the edge.

Speaker 10 Like, and it showed up last year. I was getting, you know, sacks at N.
I was getting sacks at three technique. I prefer three techniques.
You like to play the undertackle, huh?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I like to play three techniques. You like that shade? He likes to be on that shade.

Speaker 10 It's just less space, less stuff to look at. Sometimes when I'm out there at the end, it's like they'll try to put a receiver out there.

Speaker 10 Make it look at the toss crackier. Yeah, yeah.
It's all that tricky stuff out there on the edge. Sometimes when I'm on the three technique, I'm just

Speaker 10 going to

Speaker 10 get on my man right now as quick as possible.

Speaker 10 But in certain situations, like playing against the Niners, it's a little less about finding the fish, what we call it. Oh, yeah, hey, hey, you got to land him.

Speaker 10 Hey, we got to, hey, we got a fish over here.

Speaker 10 Yo, yo, we got the fish. But against playing like the Niners, instead of finding the fish, they actually like to line me up on Trent because they say their offenses kind of ran around him sometimes.

Speaker 10 So it's like

Speaker 10 their run game and a lot of stuff like that tends to run towards Trent Williams. So they like to put me on him to kind of like help shut down the run a little bit.
So it works hand in hand like that.

Speaker 10 What's it like? Let me ask you, what's it like to get traded mid-season?

Speaker 10 I mean, so they call you so were you home when you got the news that you were traded were you home were you at practice so so where were you when you got the news that you were going to get traded

Speaker 10 um i was in the building damn uh it was on yeah it was on a monday So I came in just doing my normal routine.

Speaker 10 I was definitely hearing like conversations about like possible trade, you know, with my agent and just the way the season was going for the Giants. Oh, you know, we were we were losing.

Speaker 10 We were pretty much already out of the playoffs. And then the GM like called me into his office, so I kind of already expected what was coming.
And

Speaker 10 the way he presented it to me was making it seem like I had like two teams to choose from that were like both trying to trade for me for around the same offer, pretty much.

Speaker 10 And at the time, like, the Seahawks were like number one in the division.

Speaker 10 I knew a Pete Carroll a little bit, and I just thought it was the best fit for me. It was obviously a struggle, like, coming all the way to the West Coast, Pacific North Coast.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's a long way. That's a long.
That's a

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was long. And then I'm living in a hotel for like two weeks before I get situated in like a house and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 So it's a lot. But, you know, I even played good for those eight weeks that I was here.

Speaker 10 And I remember like my wife and like coach and teammates even asked me, like, you know, how were you able to play good even in the middle of like moving and transitioning your life and stuff like that?

Speaker 10 And for me, I told my wife and other people that like there was so much going on like out of my control that it made me like focus on what I could control.

Speaker 10 Exactly. I was fully dialed in on what I could control.

Speaker 10 So it just like the way I showed up for work every day, the way I played and stuff like that just like went to another level because I was like, oh, like I put so much more emphasis and focus on like what I could control.

Speaker 14 Right.

Speaker 14 What are your goals this upcoming season from an individual standpoint? Obviously, you know, team goals, you have those defensively, you have, obviously, you have team goals that you have as a unit.

Speaker 14 But from an individual standpoint, what do you hope to accomplish this season outside of the main goal being Super Bowl?

Speaker 10 I mean, as an individual, I think I just want to like build on the season I had last year.

Speaker 10 I felt like I was short of some accolades that I worked for. And I feel like I want to, you know, be first AP all-pro and Pro Bowl this year.
And,

Speaker 10 you know, maybe like 10 plus sacks, like 15 plus TFLs, just

Speaker 10 and also feed the rest of my guys. I feel like we have a great D-line right now.
And I feel like at least four of us can have eight plus sacks this year.

Speaker 10 Do you feel like the defensive tackles because you guys don't get the high sack totals? Aaron Donalds is an anomaly. A guy that plays the three techniques.

Speaker 10 That's crazy. That's unheard of.

Speaker 10 But you guys don't get like the edges.

Speaker 10 You know, the Miles Garrett and the Michael Parsons and the TJ Watts that's out there on on edge and playing in space, they're going to have 13, 14, 15, 17, 20 sacks.

Speaker 10 Do you feel like you guys get the credit that you deserve?

Speaker 10 I think the standard for D-tackle definitely has changed in the last few years. And I think Aaron Donald was a big part of that, obviously.

Speaker 10 Him getting 10 plus sacks every year and...

Speaker 10 you know, 20 sacks, his defensive player of the year.

Speaker 10 You know, that was different for a defensive tackle. I like, if you were getting like six to eight sacks as a defensive tackle, normally, that's like a good season.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's a that's a good season for a D-tackle normally. And I think nowadays, um, you know, fans want to see 10 plus sacks from a defensive tackle for them to think that you had a good season.

Speaker 10 And, and unfortunately, they see sacks as like one of the main stats and they don't see like all the play in, play out, run, the tackles that the bosses, the, the, the, the holding up so the uh, the linebackers can make the plays.

Speaker 10 yeah

Speaker 10 i mean

Speaker 10 i don't i don't like to do that either

Speaker 10 what i don't

Speaker 10 know if you like to play the undertacker i already know you ain't tried to two gap

Speaker 10 yeah yeah you ain't no i like two capping but i want i want to make the play for sure i love my linebackers but like i said we'd be competing in our room so hey first come first serve bro i'm trying to get

Speaker 10 i got first track i'm closer to him than you are i heard you're in the match

Speaker 10 Oh, what do you know about that? No, I just, I mean, you know, did a little research.

Speaker 10 So you. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's not like, it's not like pulling bunnies out of a hat, like card, not like that type of magic. You know what I mean? It's a card game.

Speaker 10 It's kind of like similar to like Pokemon game.

Speaker 10 You collect cards and you can play it.

Speaker 10 It's called like Magic the Gathering.

Speaker 10 Okay. Yeah, Magic the Gathering.

Speaker 10 And like Wizards of the Coast is the brand that

Speaker 10 makes them. And what's cool is they're based out here in Seattle.
So they gave me like a tour of their facility and stuff like that. And uh, what you know, we've been in communication about that.

Speaker 10 So, is that what you do in your downtime?

Speaker 10 I mean, I do a lot of things in my downtime. I feel like I'm pretty different from most football players.
I think I started playing football later in life.

Speaker 10 Like, I didn't start playing football until I got to high school. And I feel like because of that, I was able to kind of figure myself out as like a person a little bit.

Speaker 10 I mean, I was young still, obviously, but I feel like I was able to like find other interests and hobbies and stuff like that outside of football.

Speaker 10 So, I like to go like spirit fishing and like boating and traveling. That's what I was about to ask you.
Being up there in Seattle, do you like to, do you like to go fishing? Because, you know,

Speaker 10 what's the market? I went up there because you got to go to the market. If you go to Seattle, you got to go to fish and do all that.
Have you, have you taught them? Have you been able to catch it?

Speaker 10 Yeah, of course. I went up there like.

Speaker 10 A few weeks after I got traded when I finally got out of the hotel, like me and my wife were like, okay, now it's time to explore the city a little bit.

Speaker 10 So we went to the market and like they all recognized me like right away. So they were like, Big K, you got to come over here.
And like, I was definitely nervous because I feel like I got hands.

Speaker 10 Like, you've seen the interception, but

Speaker 10 catching a wet and slippery fish.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm like, but I, but I caught it and it was a pretty cool tradition. But yeah, that's something I like to do during my off time is go fishing and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 And I'm based down in Florida during the offseason, so it's perfect. Hey, well, you're in Florida?

Speaker 10 But where? A lot of the

Speaker 14 and I'm right here. i'm at i'm right here in southwest ranch

Speaker 10 man listen i free dive when i fish yeah that's what i'm saying when i go spirit fishing you be free diving

Speaker 10 yeah

Speaker 10 yeah man look i can hold he ain't buying it

Speaker 10 he ain't buying it

Speaker 14 hey hey lenner i can hold my breath like four minutes i i can get in the spirit in the water like myself i'm a nomad okay

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'll be doing

Speaker 14 it when you get here in the off-season, man. I got you.
We can take my boat.

Speaker 10 Where do you go?

Speaker 10 Where you you?

Speaker 10 I'm in Southwest Ranches and Fallout of them. That's nice.

Speaker 10 Yeah, let's go, man.

Speaker 10 Yeah, man.

Speaker 10 Boat and everything, Letter.

Speaker 14 I do got it.

Speaker 10 Oh, I got a yacht. It ain't mine, but Mickey Erison let me use his yacht.

Speaker 10 Ain't nobody fishing off your yacht. Hey, let me ask you this.
Would you like, would you, would you, would you go on a trip? Let's just say they said, well, they go out for, they got to bring me back.

Speaker 10 I couldn't stay out there for no two, three months. The deadliest catch. You know, they go out there to the Baron sea.

Speaker 10 I might do it like a couple of days, but they're gonna have to come get me.

Speaker 10 I ain't gonna lie, the way the boat be almost completely tilted over.

Speaker 10 Oh, you be sweet.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'm pretty adventurous and like to do a lot of crazy stuff. My teammates judge me for sometimes, but that's one of those.
I don't, I don't know. You good? You good with that?

Speaker 10 Say them Alaska King crabs. I wait till they break up.
I bring them. Wait till they bring them to the store.
I get them there.

Speaker 10 I'll buy them from the market. Hey, I like the t-shirt.
You know that t-shirt. baby.
Appreciate that. Ligger than five.

Speaker 10 Yes, sir. That's my team from L.A., baby.
Man, Lydia, thanks for joining us, man. Stay healthy.
Great. Hey, tremendous season last year.
Hopefully, even better season this year, man.

Speaker 10 Thanks for dropping by. And guess what?

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Speaker 13 The Cleveland Browns, OJo, are trading Kenny Pickett to the Raiders in exchange for a 2026 fifth-round pick.

Speaker 13 Taken 20th overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2022 draft, Pickett has now been traded three times in his career.

Speaker 13 That leaves the Browns with two rookies, Dylan Gabriel and Shaduard Sanders, behind starter Joe Flacco. Stefanski has...

Speaker 13 has not named Flacco's backup. The Raiders needed the backup to Geno Smith after Aiden O'Connell.
He broke his wrist and he's going to be out six to eight weeks. So they needed the backup.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 13 the uh,

Speaker 13 the Browns are like, you know, what we got one.

Speaker 14 Yes, sir.

Speaker 13 What y'all want? What y'all try to do? What y'all try to do? Something. Y'all try to do something, folks, do something?

Speaker 13 Because right now, it's one o'clock.

Speaker 13 Easter time, four o'clock. Everything needs to be taken care of.
So they got this done. I like this move.
Oh, Joe, I told you. Yeah.

Speaker 13 I didn't see a scenario where Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett was on this roster. Two better recorders.
I didn't see that. I didn't.

Speaker 13 So, Tim, what you think about the move? Surprise?

Speaker 10 No, I'm not surprised at all.

Speaker 14 Obviously, Kenny Pickett is a very, very serviceable quarterback. He showed glimpses of being able to lead a team, maybe not quarterback number one, but we saw him in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 14 We saw him in Philly when he got his opportunity to play there.

Speaker 14 And obviously, due to injuries and circumstance, we weren't able to see much of him in Cleveland, but obviously seen what he could do in two other spots

Speaker 14 outside of Las Vegas, where he's going to be now.

Speaker 14 And obviously, learning and sitting behind Geno Smith is a great, great, great quarterback, quarterback number one to sit behind and learn that offense from.

Speaker 14 And if anything goes wrong where Geno Smith goes down, Kenny Pickett is a grace serviceable quarterback that can go in and lead a team to a couple of wins. Obviously, they have Amari Cooper.

Speaker 14 Jacoby Myers is upset right now, obviously wanting an extension. And I think because of Jacoby requesting a trade, they obviously reached out to Amari Cooper.

Speaker 14 And Amari Cooper has some other choices of teams he could have went to, but he chose to go back to the Raiders for obvious reasons. He's going to get that ball.
He's going to get that ball. And,

Speaker 14 I mean, that's what it is. I think it's a good thing, good pickup for Pete Carroll.
And he's going to be all right. He's going to be all right over there in Las Vegas.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I like the move for both sides. Reports are out, Ocho, that Kenny Pickett, they really, the Browns really like Kenny Pickett.
Yes. They were hoping he would be their starter.

Speaker 13 But I didn't see a scenario where if you're keeping four quarterbacks, you're not keeping two veterans and two rookies. No.
It just didn't make a whole lot of of sense to me, Ojo.

Speaker 10 No, not at all.

Speaker 13 Because the backup, he's not going to be your future.

Speaker 13 He's not your future. Your future are the rookies.
So if he got, if he's your backup, now

Speaker 13 you're taking rep from them.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 14 And I hate when they say stuff like that too. Uncle the way you just started that sentence where they wanted Kenny Pickett to be the starter.

Speaker 14 Obviously, if Kenny Pickett was the type of quarterback that was to be a starter and the future for the Cleveland Browns, he would have been Pittsburgh.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 14 no disrespect to him. No disrespect to him.
He would have been that there.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 14 When you think about the makeup in the DNA of the Cleveland Browns, they are not heavily offensive skilled in a sense where you can have a quarterback that needs more talent around him to succeed like Kenny Pickett would.

Speaker 14 You know, I think Joe Flacco is suited. Okay, I don't have that much talent around me offensively because the identity for the Cleveland Browns is their defense, no matter what.

Speaker 14 Stay in the chat trying to hate. The Cleveland Brown defense, it's very good, no matter what you say.
You can say what you want to say. So

Speaker 14 they went with the right choice in Joe Flacco. They got Jerry Judy and Joku,

Speaker 14 and they're going to have to eat. Cedric Tillman, they're going to have to eat.

Speaker 13 Yeah, they're going to have to carry a lot of, do a lot of the heavy lifting, Ojo. A lot of it.

Speaker 13 And the thing is, is that, like, Joe Flacco at 40 years of age in year 18, what are your expectations?

Speaker 13 What are your expectations?

Speaker 13 I mean, if you really go back and look at it, Joe Flacco really hasn't ever, really been good in the regular season. He's made a name for himself in the postseason.

Speaker 13 Beating of Andrew Luck, beating a Tom Brady, beating a Peyton Manning. That's where he beat.
He beat Tom Brady twice in the postseason.

Speaker 14 I say something too, Uncle. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 Real quick. He beat Andrew Luck.
He beat Tom Brady. Please let the chat know and understand the teams and the talent that was surrounding him.
Yes. He did those.

Speaker 14 Let's remember what that defense looked like. Let's remember what the weapons he had on offense looked like.

Speaker 14 Now, it wasn't, it wasn't obviously a team game, but we can't just put this all on flacco now.

Speaker 13 But he was, I mean, I mean, he was a, I mean, he really looked like Joe Montana come play with playoff times.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah, because he never, he never showed what he's shown in the playoffs, he's never shown that in the regular season for any length of time. Yes, he's had good games, he's a quarterback.

Speaker 13 I mean, you don't be a quarterback for a decade, a starting quarterback for a decade plus, ojo and not put up good numbers so he's put up good numbers yes but nothing that would say oh my god there's a reason why ozzie traded back into the first round it's like select lamar jackson yes sir so with that being said he beat andrew look he went to denver beat pay manning he went to new england and beat tom brady he did that and then he went on the road and beat a san francisco team when carla nick was at his apex without outstanding defense when they had navarro bowman when they had Patrick Willis, when they had Smith, when they had those great, that great team, Frank Gore running the ball a mammoth offensive line.

Speaker 13 He did that. I'll give him credit for that.

Speaker 13 But like I said, it's in the postseason that he's made a name, really cut his teeth and made a name for himself because there's really been no consistency in the regular season. He showed you Flash.

Speaker 13 You're like, damn, why can't we get this more, more, more, more this Joe Flacco than the other guy?

Speaker 14 Listen, Joe Flacco, what are he going to get at Browns? He going to give you a five, six game run of wins.

Speaker 10 You're going to be like, holy

Speaker 10 man.

Speaker 13 He did it. He did it two years ago.
Yep.

Speaker 14 Deshaun went down. Boy, they went on a hell of a run with Flacco, boy.
Jerry Judy. Wait, no.
Was that Judy?

Speaker 13 Judy wasn't there then.

Speaker 14 No, Judy wasn't there. I think there was somebody, somebody at receiver was going crazy, man.

Speaker 10 It might have been Coop.

Speaker 10 It might have been Coop. It was Coop.
It was Coop going crazy, man.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it was. The damn show was Coop.

Speaker 13 And see, and that's the thing. You see see what happened.
He came in. There was no expectations.
They won some games, and then we started having expectations for him. And then what happened?

Speaker 14 Yeah, the bottom fell out. Interceptions, turnouts.

Speaker 13 Yes, yes.

Speaker 13 So this, I like this move for the Browns. Now this gives Dylan Gabriel.
Look, they talk about where they have a name to backup. We know who the backup's going to be.

Speaker 13 I won't need a name. We already know who the backup's going to be.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 And Dylan Gabriel is going to be the backup. It's your door when you get your reps.

Speaker 13 And because you're going to probably be, well, Dylan will be running some of the practice, some of the opposing teams quarterback also.

Speaker 13 But,

Speaker 13 excuse me, the scout team offense,

Speaker 13 that's when your opportunity, that's when you show what you can do. That's the way you don't go through the motions.
You take it serious. Hey, they tell you where to go at the ball.

Speaker 13 You go through your progressions

Speaker 13 and get the ball where it needs to go. But in the meantime, A, you get enough, that playbook.
And when your opportunity presents itself, you take full advantage of it.

Speaker 14 So the good thing, and the funny thing, the good thing for Stewart, as well as Dylan Gabriel as well, is when you take the scout team reps, hey, you're going against the number one defense.

Speaker 13 Absolutely.

Speaker 14 Going against the number one defense. So obviously

Speaker 14 it's mental reps plus physical reps, but it's against the best players, similar to what you would see on a Sunday. So it's just not no, it ain't going to be no walk in the park, man.
Nope.

Speaker 14 Ain't going to be no walk in the park.

Speaker 13 Elcho, but I relish that day.

Speaker 13 I remember that fact. That was 35 years.
I was a rookie back in 1990. So that's 35, 36 years ago.
I remember it. I was lighting them up, Ocho.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 Hey, this is my Sunday. Right, right.
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. That is my Sunday.
I'm not going to get a whole lot of reps on offense. I'm going to be on special teams.

Speaker 13 This is my Sunday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I'm cooking.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 take it easy, my ass.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 13 Well, I'll try to keep it your hey. After the coach done told me that, hey, we still cut around here.
Now, I just want y'all to know that. Hey, hell, oh, Joe, it's September.

Speaker 13 I think I done made the squad. Coach said, oh, no, we still cut.

Speaker 13 Oh, no. Oh, no.
I can't. Now, how that's going to look, oh, Joe, I done made the team.
I done called home Libby. I made it.
Spank. I made it.
Mama, I made it. Call him home.
I made it.

Speaker 13 And then all of a sudden, I get cut. Oh, nah, nah.
Hell nah.

Speaker 13 Man, I cooked. I was cooking.

Speaker 13 I'm trying to think who we played. We played the Raiders over the week, my rookie year.

Speaker 13 Man, I cooked the dude so bad Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 13 After practice, they cut him.

Speaker 10 For real?

Speaker 13 Cut it. Cooked it.

Speaker 13 Cooked. I was cooked.
Oh, yo, I was cooking.

Speaker 10 Hey,

Speaker 14 it's so funny. I didn't know.

Speaker 14 I didn't know the correct way to practice. I knew one thing.

Speaker 14 Do everything.

Speaker 14 Special teams, I'm out there playing around just to keep my body warm and moving.

Speaker 10 I'm at the gunner.

Speaker 14 I'm running down on special teams. Scout team.

Speaker 13 I was a gunner.

Speaker 13 Listen, I was.

Speaker 14 I'm in year 10.

Speaker 14 T.O. is, you know, T.O.
is obviously on the Bengals with me. So I'm peeping.
I'm watching T.O.K. Okay, this is how he do it.
Okay, that's how he do it. Scout team come up.

Speaker 14 I'm taking all the reps on scout team to give my number ones a look. And T.O.
pulled me to the side like.

Speaker 14 What is how you practice? You're not supposed to, you got to give your body time.

Speaker 13 You got to save them legs, man.

Speaker 14 i say t boy i take all the reps this is this is all i know this is how i know i say your boy he's like oh boy you tripping boy you got to save your legs for sunday i say t i'm gonna be all right but this is how this is how i've always done it i always take the scout team so i give the number one corners the best look depending on who they seeing it's like boy you better than me because i couldn't do that Early, early in your, you know, I would take a couple, you know, they just like want to get some work or something.

Speaker 13 But as I got older, I started getting year five, year six. Nah, I ain't got nothing for your scout team.
Real?

Speaker 10 Oh, shit.

Speaker 14 I didn't know. My first time thinking there was something wrong with it, once T.O.
got there to Cincinnati was telling me, listen, you need to scale back a little. You need to tone it back.

Speaker 14 Do what you do with the ones when we're up offensively and you go.

Speaker 10 You go.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 You're getting seven hard rep. But plus, Ocho,

Speaker 13 you taking one-on-ones too. See, I was the only tight end that took one-on-ones.
I never ran routes against linebackers or anything like that. I

Speaker 13 routes against the Watt DBs. So

Speaker 13 I'm getting that and I'm getting my reps.

Speaker 13 So once we got through, I do like five, six plays of nine-on-seven. Might say, 84, go down and get some work on one-on-one.
Okay.

Speaker 13 Because you know, during the some games, I split out wide, I'll be in the flex position. Right.
But

Speaker 13 this is your opportunity. If I could tell any rookie anything, give them any advice.
When you're running scout team, that is your Sunday. Yeah.
That is your game.

Speaker 13 Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is your Sunday. You approach it like that.

Speaker 13 You like that, hey, man, take it easy. No, I ain't take it easy on nothing.
When they cut that film on, they're going to see number 81 busting his ass.

Speaker 13 Cause I ain't going home. Because

Speaker 13 you take it easy. You want to laugh.
Okay, hey, bro, I understand that you a vet and you know, you in your 10 or whatever the case may be, but I'm going 1,000 miles an hour as hard as God will let me.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 And the ball is going to be coming to me too. Oh yeah.

Speaker 13 And they're like, hey, son, he's a rookie. So what you think, what you think they got gonna do?

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 13 More than that.

Speaker 13 So you,

Speaker 13 that's for sure. I don't even know what I'm doing.
I'm just, I'm just following the, hey, I just see the circle. Hey, that's where the ball going.
Hey, let me get that right there.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

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