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Speaker 2 Ocho,

Speaker 2 Dom Brady said the quarterback position isn't as mentally developed as it was when he entered the league. I don't believe the quarterback position as

Speaker 2 mentally developed as it was when I entered the league 25 years ago. There was a premium on understanding defenses, on understanding matchups,

Speaker 2 on, I'd say, pre-snaps, reads, getting your team in and out of the right play. I felt the way to learn was to play the position over a period of time.

Speaker 2 You truly give your team the best chance to win to be a field general. I think you better have a mental advantage on the field.
And I think sometimes there's more important than physical advantage.

Speaker 2 Ocho, do you agree with him?

Speaker 12 Hey, do me a favor. Uncle you said a whole lot right there that Brady said.
Bring it, break it. Listen, break it down to me

Speaker 12 in our language.

Speaker 2 He says,

Speaker 2 there was a premium on understanding defenses. You had to understand what the defense was trying to do.

Speaker 2 So now you go out there and you're looking, you're not just looking at your guy like, man, this quarters.

Speaker 2 Oh, this is covered. This he got help over here.
So you needed to understand a pre-snap. You're looking at the alignment.
You're looking at that triangle.

Speaker 2 Okay, I see what y'all trying to do. So he said, you guys need to have a pre-snap.
You need to have an understanding of what's about to happen. Make sure you get your guys.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Do not run a play into a safety that you can't block. Okay.
That's a negative play. So you just gave up or down for whatever reason.
Flip it. Right.
I like that. Audible out of it.

Speaker 12 But listen, Tom Brady speaking from a standpoint of being number 12, a standpoint of having the power and the ability to be able to change plays.

Speaker 12 Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, it's a few other quarterbacks that I can name.

Speaker 12 When they came to the line of scrimmage, no matter how much disguising you did, no matter how much bluffing you did based on down the distance, they already know from watching film, they know what the hell you're doing.

Speaker 12 They know what the hell you're doing. They know exactly where each play is going to be.
Yes. Snap of the ball.
Even if you wait, even if you wait late

Speaker 12 and wait till he snap the ball and he still sees moving in front of him, because once they snap, they looking right downfield.

Speaker 12 Okay, if you was down in the box and you shoot back out, okay, this is what they, he already know what's coming.

Speaker 12 And he knows every play you run, chad, every, every offensive play you run, especially when it's a pass play, there's always somebody open. There's always somewhere to go with the ball.

Speaker 12 And it's all about being able to process information on what you see in front of you and knowing where to go with it very fast. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees were the best at it.

Speaker 2 They were the best.

Speaker 2 Sometimes

Speaker 2 you got to look at what those guys put in.

Speaker 2 Because a lot of times guys, see, a lot of times guys now, there's more important thing than football. Football was the most important thing to Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 It was the most important thing to Peyton Manning. So there was no life outside of that.
During the season, the most important thing was football. They didn't play video game.

Speaker 2 It wasn't no Call of Duty. It wasn't no Madden.
It wasn't no doing all this. They got all the commercials done in the offseason.

Speaker 2 So everything that was focused was centered around how can I become the best football player I possibly can. The question you ask yourself, is that what these quarterbacks today are doing?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And also, uncle you you have to give some of the quarterbacks today also you have to give them a little grace you have to give them a little grace because they they're starting the game so young they don't have the freedom to do some of the things that tom brady's mentioning that takes time to develop to even get to that point where you can recognize everything you're seeing and the confidence trust you peyton manning was the coach yeah brady was the coach but they know they put so much time in though oh

Speaker 12 yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right so listen quarterbacks right now they can't come up to the line of scrimmage and see something and be like, you know what? This ain't gonna work.

Speaker 12 We can't run that play. Sometimes I watch NFL games.
Wait a minute. The defense shifted.
The defensive line shifted to the right.

Speaker 2 Change it.

Speaker 12 Right running power or stretch to the right, right into the teeth of the defense. Right.

Speaker 12 I think some quarterbacks don't have the freedom to be able to do that because their offensive coordinators don't trust them just yet because they're young.

Speaker 2 No, you got to earn that. No guy that had that kind of freedom early on with Peyton Manning.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 They turned the keys over to Peyton. Brady didn't even have that kind of leeway early in his career.
He earned that trust. Drew earned that trust.
Rogers earned that trust. You have to earn that.

Speaker 2 And that doesn't happen overnight. It doesn't.
Patrick Mahomes had to earn Andy's trust in order to be able to be able to

Speaker 2 audible in and out of plays. change a play, you know, things of that nature.
It's different now. Oh, Joe, I came in the league.

Speaker 2 the quarterbacks called their own plays it wasn't looking at the wrist they called it plays john elway called his plays

Speaker 2 serious yes he called a game

Speaker 2 damn yes wait no officer coordinator talking in they had a

Speaker 2 he might say what you like here okay

Speaker 2 hey yes quarterbacks the old court the old guard though those guys came in the league quarterbacks were calling somebody some of the quarterbacks not all some of the quarterbacks were calling their own play yeah he's like

Speaker 2 yeah now you gotta get out of my ear

Speaker 2 get out get out of my ear but uh it it it takes a lot you have to put a lot of a lot of timing in yeah and everybody but like you said you're talking about brady running practice he's running he's running uh walkthroughs he's running 707 he's running you know two minutes he's running running no huddle tom is doing those things if a quarter if you want a quarterback to have you got to let him do it.

Speaker 2 You got to let him do it.

Speaker 12 I got to tell this story. I don't know if I'm going to get in trouble or not.
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share this. I don't even care.
I don't even care, chat.

Speaker 12 I'm going to tell you about why the New England Patriots were so goddamn good.

Speaker 12 Everybody in the chat, I know you saw the beginning of Full Metal Jacket

Speaker 12 with the sergeant going off, cursing, and just a he was, he was on one in the beginning of the movie, Full Metal Jacket.

Speaker 12 One day in practice, Bill O'Brien, obviously the officer coordinator, calling the plays. We're in practice and Bill radios in the play in Tom's ear.
I'm in the huddle.

Speaker 12 I'm assuming maybe Tom didn't get it. So Tom's sitting there with his head down

Speaker 12 and he does one of these.

Speaker 2 Give me the play.

Speaker 12 Give me the play again.

Speaker 12 And Bill must have said it again. He didn't hear it because the thing the communication must have been off

Speaker 12 and tom look back.

Speaker 12 Give me the goddamn play,

Speaker 12 Bill, I gave a fucking play already. I said it two fucking times.

Speaker 12 But I didn't fucking get it. What the fuck you want me to do?

Speaker 12 Jesus Christ, we in the middle of practice.

Speaker 12 We in the middle of practice. And at that moment, I understood this is why.

Speaker 12 This is why the smallest things that period we were doing where that one play, that one play didn't work and it didn't go right. We started the whole fucking period over.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 We started the whole period over so we can get all the plays in succession and get it the right way.

Speaker 2 Yep. I'm like, what? What?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Bill over there

Speaker 12 with the whistle on his finger, twirling back and forth.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So I'm like, man, what? What are they running over here?

Speaker 12 No,

Speaker 12 it was unbelievable.

Speaker 12 There's so many stories. I can share that one.
Some of the other ones, it's

Speaker 12 a little too graphic.

Speaker 2 Rather than rewarding running backs for production once their rookie contract expire, as happened at almost every position, the NFL's 1991 MVP, My Dog Thurman Thomas, is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger, cheaper player.

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Speaker 2 You still deserve a contract. The first team has to put you through hell yet.
I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries.
Now, give me my damn money, Thurham told the Associated Press.

Speaker 2 With such a turnover, it's a reason why only three running backs, Barkley, McCaffrey, and Henry, are averaging $15 million per

Speaker 2 this season as compared to 26 wide receivers. It's not even the receiver money.
It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. You're right.

Speaker 2 They're looking at it like, oh Joe,

Speaker 2 the best years on the tire of a car is when it's brand new.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You drive that car all over the city, you put 50,000 miles on the car. Them tires ain't the same.
Yeah, that's how they look at running backs, LT. That's how they look at y'all.
They're like, LT,

Speaker 2 hold on. LT, we gave you the ball 270 times and you caught 100 passes.
That's 370 churches, LT. And you did that one, two, three.
Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 That's how they think. Yeah.

Speaker 12 But listen,

Speaker 12 the Thurman Thomas's point, that's how they think with the tier two and below running backs. The tier ones are the ones that are still making the big money.

Speaker 12 Not as much as the receivers, not as much, nowhere near the quarterbacks.

Speaker 12 But the tier ones that could change your whole offense, your tier ones to LT's point, that can kill that time and let your defense rest for a little bit, especially in garbage time when it's time to end a game.

Speaker 12 It's only a few. It's only a handful of those.
That's why it's only a handful. Make 12, 13, 14, what?

Speaker 2 Damn near 20. Who make 20?

Speaker 2 Guys, to Thurman's point,

Speaker 2 where does Saquon Barkley have to do to go get that money? Was it with the Giants or was it with someone else?

Speaker 2 Where did Derrick Henry have to go, Ocho, to get that money? Was it with the Titans or was it with the Ravens? And remember, last year, he played on $8 million deal. He had two years for 16 million.

Speaker 12 But they came back. They came back to him.

Speaker 2 Yes. So really the only guy that's ever gotten money at the running back position, you've got to go back to Zeke.

Speaker 2 And Zeke was probably the one that really hurt because he was never the same after he got that money. And

Speaker 2 everybody looked at Zeke and they say, hold on. Look at that offensive line he got.
He got. two for show Hall of Famers, a potential Hall of Famer that retired.

Speaker 2 The center retired because he's like, I don't want to do it anymore. And Zeke just stepped off a cliff.
Yards per game went down. Yards per carry get down.

Speaker 12 Don't remember, he hurt his knee too. He hurt his knee real bad.

Speaker 2 He didn't hurt his knee every year, Ocho. But

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 23 But see, but see, this is how you solve that. For one, the running backs that are game-changing, the guys that can hit a home run from any spot on the field, that can catch the ball and do everything.

Speaker 23 They're going to be the ones that have to change the game.

Speaker 23 And when I say change the game, guys, I'm meaning sign shorter deals strike when the iron is hot running backs two or three year deals you know if if because think about it most running backs they can perform and and and perform at a high level early in their career like it doesn't take long for them to you know kind of get become a staple in the offense and get going to become one of the top at their positions it don't take long so why can't you come back to the table after two and three years and then sign a shorter deal, a two-year deal, two-year, let's say two-year 50 million.

Speaker 2 Oh, you ain't going to hear that, Ocho. That's true.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 let me tell you why they're not going to do it, Ocho. I mean, LT, because in order for me to give you a big signing bonus, I need to prorate it over the life of the contract.

Speaker 2 So even if I, if you want a two-year deal, let's just say,

Speaker 2 LT, you want a two-year deal for $40 million.

Speaker 2 And I want to give you, I want to give you, I say I give you $20 million to sign. Well, I only get to pro-rate that over two years.
So now that's 10.

Speaker 2 So let's just say for the sake of argument, I give you 2 million. So I give you 2 million.
That's 12 million. And guess what?

Speaker 2 Now that's 28 million. That's 30.

Speaker 2 That next year is 38 million cap here. They're not going to let that happen.
So, and plus, when you're running back and you're at

Speaker 2 your first round draft pick,

Speaker 2 I got you for three years. Five years.

Speaker 2 I got you for five. Now, if I'm nice,

Speaker 2 if I'm nice and you on time and you haven't been injured, I'll do the deal after three. But if not, I know I got a fourth year, a fifth year option, and two franchise tags.

Speaker 2 So I got you for seven years and I ain't got to do nothing.

Speaker 12 That's nasty work.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 12 That's that Jerry Jones work you talking about right now.

Speaker 12 The next running back that's going to hit, that's going to hit big, and there won't be any question about it.

Speaker 12 There won't be, we don't really value the running back position because we know what you can get.

Speaker 12 One of the few players, one of the few running backs in NFL that can hit their head off the goal post from anywhere on the field, that's brother. That's brother Jameer Gibbs down in Detroit.
Yep.

Speaker 12 Oh, he, I'm talking about he going, he's going north of 17, 18.

Speaker 2 Yeah, oh, absolutely. Bijan Robinson is gonna get paid too.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that's nothing.

Speaker 23 They gotta go above 20, though, guys. Like, in order to reset the market for future guys in their position, that everybody ain't gonna get that.

Speaker 2 We know that.

Speaker 2 Everybody's not gonna get that but the special ones they gotta get that you kid 20 that i'm surprised that they did this for saquan because think about it guys he got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 50 million dollar quarterback you got a 20

Speaker 2 receiver too you got a 30 million a 30 million dollar receiver a 28 million dollar receiver yeah yeah and you got a 20 million dollar running back and you got look at lane johnson what he make look at what my a lot of make look at what dickersons make they paying.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They did.
They just redid

Speaker 2 Braun.

Speaker 2 You know, you got to see that man child in the middle, Jalen Carter. You got to see him.
You got two guys on the edge that in another year, you're going to have to see one of them.

Speaker 12 Listen, Jalen Carter finna reset the whole market.

Speaker 2 He's

Speaker 2 at every position.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know if he's, I don't think you're going to catch Micah, but the number,

Speaker 2 CJ,

Speaker 2 Chris Jones, Stone Cold Jones for the Kansas City Chiefs, he's at 31 and a half for DT. So he's way over everybody else at the DT position.

Speaker 12 Yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 2 You're talking about a guy that's 24, 25, but he don't realize how good he can be.

Speaker 2 He still don't know how good he can be.

Speaker 12 Yeah, you know why he's

Speaker 12 not going to catch Micah? Or he might not,

Speaker 12 he's going to overlap, he's going to overleap Chris Jones

Speaker 12 because Howie. and Jeffrey always pay early.
They're not going to wait.

Speaker 12 They're not going to wait. They're going to pay early.
You're not going to turn it down.

Speaker 2 And plus, Ocho, the sacks. DTs, though.
Like I said, the thing is, what spoiled us was Aaron Donald. Donald, yeah.
Because D-Tackle's not supposed to get 20 sacks, LT.

Speaker 2 They're not supposed to be getting 15 sacks. You stop the run, get us about seven or eight sacks.

Speaker 2 We have to

Speaker 12 be disruptive.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 2 But really, the only guy you got for the longest time, nobody even approached Christian McCaffrey's that 15 and Zeke's 15 for years.

Speaker 2 It wasn't until Christian McCaffrey got a new deal from the 49ers that leapfrogged.

Speaker 2 And then, because remember,

Speaker 2 the Giants didn't want to do anything with Saquon. They made him play on the franchise tag and then they ended up letting him go.
And when he let him go, he still didn't get past the 15.

Speaker 2 It wasn't until 2,000 yards. It wasn't until offensive player of the year that he got, he broke the $20 million barrier.
Think about it. Derrick Henry, he was on an $8 to $10 million a year contract.

Speaker 2 So he goes for 19, 21 and 16, 17 touchdowns before they finally put him at the 15.

Speaker 2 So somebody going to, hey, in order to break the, to, to, to leap from Saquon, boy, you, hey, you going to have to have an LT season, 32 touchdowns, offensive player of the year, MVP.

Speaker 2 LT, if you want somebody to get 25 million, they're going to have to beat the season because LT had damn 1,900 yards, 30-plus touchdowns.

Speaker 2 He caught another 50 passes for another 500 yards, unless you're going to have a season like LT had. Yeah.

Speaker 12 LT, what was that? That was the 05 season, right, when y'all came and played us?

Speaker 2 No, it was 06.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the 06 was

Speaker 23 played y'all. Y'all jumped up on me.

Speaker 2 It was like 21.

Speaker 23 God lead that thing was rocking.

Speaker 2 I don't know what happened.

Speaker 12 We lost, man.

Speaker 2 Would y'all just go ahead and walk them them down there though lg

Speaker 2 hey hey hey um

Speaker 23 hey um they over there dancing hey we on the sideline clapping at them like okay they good it's first quarter y'all did good

Speaker 2 lg when you look around the league today and there's a lot of running back what running back reminds you of yourself

Speaker 23 Man, that's a good one.

Speaker 23 I mean, you know, I see traces of myself in different running backs you know like i think when i think about the jump cut you know the balance the spin and stuff say kwan kind of has that that low center of gravity gravity being able to bounce from hole to hole and then hit the hole explosiveness but when i think about like coming out the backfield you know i i came out the backfield a lot gibby man give me coming out that back because because here here's the thing that people misunderstand when you coming out the backfield you got to come out fast you can't come out

Speaker 23 yeah looking you got to come out running man you know and so because there's matchups it's either going to be a safety or a linebacker most of the time so come out running scare the daylights out of them and then cut off of them you know what i mean that's what gibby does do so well so i i think those two i mean there's a little bit christian mccaffrey some things that he does as well man

Speaker 23 Yeah, those are the guys.

Speaker 12 I don't think people understand how difficult the running back position is when it comes to to those tier one running backs, LT, like you, Jameer Gibb, Saquon. Derrick Henry is a little bit different.

Speaker 12 He's not like you guys from the US.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Henry's the old school bailout back.
He's an old school bail guy. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 But you, or Jameer Gibb, for example, and you too, LT, being able to get the ball and be at, be fast, being able to come to balance.

Speaker 12 And being able to reaccelerate right

Speaker 12 then and there, and being able to set linebackers up, set safeties up, still make a move, and not move and not lose any not momentum, but uh, what's the word? No wasted movement.

Speaker 12 That's what I'm looking for. No wasted movement.
Everything, everything in one, in one, in one transaction, in one transition. Everybody can't do that, man.

Speaker 2 I told a man, stop letting LT run that damn Texas route on y'all, knock his ass down. He ain't no look across y'all damn face.
And he run two routes.

Speaker 2 He's gonna run the flat, he's gonna come up and make you think he's gonna run the Texas across your face, or he's gonna break it out of your ass and haul ass on you, man. Knock him down.

Speaker 23 Uncle, I got to a point, though, you know, where they allowed me to stay up that seam.

Speaker 2 If you, if you didn't, if you

Speaker 23 if you stay, if you stayed inside, I just stay in that seam. I did Denver like that up in Mile Howe once

Speaker 23 went by 70 on you caught us up.

Speaker 2 We played y'all. I think that was my,

Speaker 2 I think that might have been my first year back,

Speaker 2 my first year back in Denver, where you hit it for like 200 and had 10 catches.

Speaker 2 I said, Well, damn,

Speaker 2 I'm like,

Speaker 2 where he come from,

Speaker 2 man. It's

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 the running back position now, LT, you see a lot of guys, because a lot of teams run a two-back system. That's not what you had.
You had, you were old school, tight end, fullback in front of you,

Speaker 2 low kneel, leading the way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, leading the way.

Speaker 2 That's what you had. In today's game, it's more of a two-back system.

Speaker 2 How different

Speaker 2 is LT's career if he had to split, if he had to split reps?

Speaker 23 What do you mean, if I had to? I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't do it. Like, no,

Speaker 23 I was selfish. I ain't coming out the game, dog.
You know what I'm saying? And that was part of the reason why I prided myself on being able to do everything.

Speaker 23 So you didn't have to say, oh,

Speaker 23 he can't block or he can't run this route or or he can't catch. I prided myself on that.
And I wanted to take every rep.

Speaker 23 I was just that competitive because I believe if I was on the sideline, something was going to happen that, you know, like I couldn't control.

Speaker 23 So I couldn't do it today, man. And here's the other thing.
Like when you're the bell cow guy, you're thinking the long call, huh?

Speaker 23 Ojo, you're thinking, okay, in the fourth quarter is when I really got to get going. Let me, you know, let me get my yards.

Speaker 23 I'm going gonna step out of bounds here and there you know i'm saying i'm gonna save myself but in the fourth quarter when them boys a little bit time give them the stiff arm you know i'm saying i'm gonna run through a couple of tackles that's when because that was something that marty schottenheimer instilled in me and pose your will throughout the game i i mean i hear it playing in my mind like yesterday that was something he always said and we live by

Speaker 2 Yeah, y'all, I mean, man,

Speaker 2 you went to the perfect situation because Marty going to run the football. Marty going to run it.

Speaker 2 Marty going to put that ball in your belly, L.T.

Speaker 2 That's what Marty going to do.

Speaker 23 Hey, but here's the thing, though, y'all. So, in college, think about it.
I was a perimeter runner.

Speaker 23 Like, you know, I was a sweep guy, you know, get on the perimeter, do my thing. Man, when I first got to San Diego and Marty came in, he started talking about running power and going down the A gap.

Speaker 2 Hey, I used to bounce that thing so much that Junkie used to get mad. He used to get, stay in the A gap, stay trusted.

Speaker 23 I'm like, Coach, ain't nothing.

Speaker 2 I gotta bounce it. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 23 But I had to learn,

Speaker 23 I had to learn how to be an inside runner. I didn't want to embrace it at first, but I'm glad I did, man.
It did make me a better, obviously, a better hell.

Speaker 2 Y'all running that power. Y'all pulling guard tackle and damn little Low Neal.
Hell, you kick it out, pin it down. And then here come Low Neal up in the hole on the linebacker.

Speaker 2 Now you one-on-one with the safety.

Speaker 12 Hey, Zoe gonna clear it out every time.

Speaker 2 Hey, them old school, them old school fullbacks like Sam Gash. I played with Gasher.
And Low Neal, they come with bad intentions. Head first.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Let's roll it off.

Speaker 23 Hey, Lowe used to say, hey, before the player, you say, hey, daddy, get on my hip and don't dip.

Speaker 2 Let's go. That's what he used to do.

Speaker 2 Hey, they scared of Lil Neil, man.

Speaker 2 Hey, get Lil Neil like one carry a game on 31. You good?

Speaker 23 Yeah. Yeah, you good.

Speaker 23 You good.

Speaker 23 He bought in.

Speaker 2 Hey, he bought, he bought in. LT, man, you look like you done, you done lost some weight.
Damn, you done trimmed down.

Speaker 23 Ocho, man, I'm on this intermittent fasting.

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 23 Yeah, man. I get my workouts every day, man.

Speaker 12 I feel good, man.

Speaker 2 You gotta come.

Speaker 2 I'm at planning.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 LT, you might be on the 200, LT.

Speaker 23 What you about about 210. I'm about 210.

Speaker 12 And you need to come holler at your boy. You know, I'm a nutritionist right now.
I'm a nutritionist.

Speaker 23 What that dialogue?

Speaker 12 You know, the same thing I ate when I played?

Speaker 2 Hey, McDonald's.

Speaker 2 Hey, LT, don't fuck with me.

Speaker 12 You know, 11 NFL teams already hired me to help with that nutrition. So the player stopped getting hurt.
No more, none of that soft tissue injury, no non-contact, no, none of that.

Speaker 12 None of that's happening.

Speaker 23 Now, you charge it too much. I'll show you, you know, I'm on a budget now.

Speaker 12 Hey, LT, I charge $20 a week. That ain't nothing.

Speaker 2 That's still too much.

Speaker 23 I'll mess with you.

Speaker 2 $10 I mess with you.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 LT, so when, what time do you eat your first meal?

Speaker 2 About one o'clock.

Speaker 2 So you get all your meals in between, what, one and seven, one and eight?

Speaker 23 One and eight. Yeah.

Speaker 2 One and eight, man. So you're going about 14 to 16 hours fasting.

Speaker 23 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 2 I do.

Speaker 2 So when do you work out? You work out in the morning? So you're working out on the empty stomach.

Speaker 2 So you're doing fasting.

Speaker 23 You're going to do that empty stomach. I am.
Yeah. Okay.
I am, man. So I usually work out about nine to 10 o'clock in the morning.
I get up early, get the kids off to school, you know, and then,

Speaker 23 you know,

Speaker 23 see, I will modify with coffee. So I'll have coffee in the morning by 10 ounces.

Speaker 2 That's it. Damn,

Speaker 2 but do you know how much 10 ounces is?

Speaker 23 10 ounces. Yeah.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Yeah, about 10 ounces.

Speaker 2 That's a can of Coke. A can of Coke is 12 ounces.
You got too fewer than that.

Speaker 2 But that coffee run through. You ain't got nothing on your stomach.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I love that coffee, man.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 23 So then I'll get my workout

Speaker 23 by that time. By that time, you know, it's it's it's around 12 o'clock, and once I order food or cook food, it's one, it's one o'clock.
So, yeah,

Speaker 2 go ahead, go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 12 I'm gonna say, you smoke cigars,

Speaker 23 yeah, absolutely, yes, sir.

Speaker 23 I got a cigar lounge in my house, oh Joe.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 23 Yes, I got a cigar lounge. Hey, boy, you rich.

Speaker 12 I gotta leave home to go to the cigar bar. He got one in the house.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Him and Joe, both of them got properties.

Speaker 2 Nah, my brother goes,

Speaker 2 he goes on the back porch. He got no lounge in the house.
He go to the back porch and blow it out.

Speaker 2 Hey, LT, people always ask,

Speaker 2 it was me, you, and Time, and Carissa.

Speaker 2 And we had picked somebody, and I had picked them to win. And time told me I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 And you said, he did. He picked him.
I said time i swear for god and two white men i picked him

Speaker 23 and y'all oh my god

Speaker 2 but they don't really oh lt

Speaker 2 the conversation that we had watching the games me you and time

Speaker 2 yeah i i i'm glad because this is what kind of what my mind is what i envisioned with nightcap to be was kind of you know we yeah we talk about games but we talk about a lot of other things man.

Speaker 2 Oh, cho, I was, that was some of my best work. Lt said, man, but man, lt told me I need to be a comedian.
Say, I don't know how why you play football, you need to be a damn comedian

Speaker 23 for real, dog. This man said, two white men, like, why gotta be two white men? Like, oh, they just stakeholders

Speaker 2 back then, you know, back in the day, you wouldn't lie before them now, because it was hell to pay.

Speaker 2 You lie before them,

Speaker 2 but man, that was a that was some fun times, man. Time and I talked about that, man.
That was some great times. LT, thanks for joining us, man.

Speaker 2 Congratulations on the Frogs going down to Chapel Hill 4814 over the Tar Hills. Come back and join us later this season, LT.

Speaker 2 I definitely will, man. It's always a pleasure, my brothers.
Love y'all. Appreciate it, bro.
The NFL top 100, the top 10 NFL players were unveiled tonight. At number 10 was Patrick Sertain.

Speaker 2 At number 9, Patrick Sertain II, excuse me. Number nine, Justin Jefferson.
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Speaker 2 Y'all keep talking about the SEC is dead, but the top, that's that's four of the top 10 players right there that's from that conference. Uh, Patrick Mahomes was number five, Jamar Chase, another guy.

Speaker 2 I don't know if y'all noticed, but six of the top 10 from the SEC. But that conference is dead.
Uh, number three is Josh Allen, number two, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2 And the number one player voted by his peers, oh, Joe,

Speaker 2 Saquon Barkley. Oh, my bad.

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Speaker 2 LT, Ocho, are you surprised that Saquon beat out Josh Allen and Lamar to be the number one player in the NFL this season, voted on by his peers?

Speaker 12 LT,

Speaker 23 I'm a bit surprised.

Speaker 2 So am I.

Speaker 23 Because we're living in a world where it's all about the quarterback, and we know that. And rightfully so.
I mean, Josh Allen is the raining MVP, okay? So you would think that

Speaker 23 he would get the most votes from his peers.

Speaker 23 And even beyond Josh Allen, Lamar jackson with the type of season he had last year man he had one of the top seasons from any quarterback in history you hear me so you know i'm i'm very surprised i mean saquan obviously had a spectacular year and you know got close to the rushing record of a single season but he didn't get it and so you know that holds way that he didn't get it but but he did win the super bowl so i think players at the end of the day are giving him credit for being you know going over 2 000 yards and winning the super bowl championship and being the catalyst for that that that eagles and offensive player of the year

Speaker 23 that's right and i think that had a lot to do with it look

Speaker 23 i think he deserves it saquan has has really elevated the running back position the value the value of the running back position so Hands down, I salute Saquon, man, for being the number one player.

Speaker 2 Respect.

Speaker 2 And we've talked more about the running back position in 20 in 24 and leading into 25 than we have at any point in time in the last decade, guys, because of what we saw with Derrick Henry, what we saw with Saquon Barkley, what we saw with a Josh Jacobs, what we saw with Joe Mixon.

Speaker 2 There were a lot of running backs like, hold on, Jonathan Taylor, hold on. They still got some Jameer Gibbs,

Speaker 2 Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 2 So they're trying to say, look, there is still value when used correctly. So y'all want to to put them behind, y'all want to put them behind

Speaker 2 no quarterback, so-so offensive line. Look at all these guys that we mentioned.
Saquon Barkley, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Speaker 2 Derrick Henry, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line. Joe Mixon, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.
Gibbs, look at his quarterback, look at his offensive line.

Speaker 2 Josh Jacobs, look at his quarterback. You see a real current theme here? Yeah.
But see,

Speaker 2 but when a quarterback doesn't succeed, boy, they make every every excuse in the world. Now all of a sudden, the running back knows to see, oh, man, he over the heel.
There ain't no value in him.

Speaker 2 Nah, you're right. Ain't nobody running behind that ain't got no line.
And if I sit my defense and your quarterback can't beat me, I am not going to let your running back beat me.

Speaker 2 You saw what the Chiefs tried to do in the Super Bowl, guys. They said, we are not letting Saquon beat us.

Speaker 2 Josh, Jalen Hurts says, okay, you know what? I don't drink no beer, but hold this ginger ale. I got something for y'all.
I got something for y'all.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Ocho. Are you surprised to see Saquon at the top? You got two backs in the top 10.
Top 10.

Speaker 12 Yeah, most definitely. I wasn't surprised at all.

Speaker 12 Obviously, Saquon is a tier one back, and those tier one backs are the reason why the value of the running back position is now prevalent because of players like Saquon, obviously being in the perfect situation, Eagles offensive line.

Speaker 12 And he's one of the reasons why they were able to reach the Super Bowl, actually take them over the hump and getting back to the Super Bowl. Obviously, we have to give credit to their defense as well.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 Josh Allen had a great season. Lamar Jackson had a great season.
But I think the number one spot was given to Saquon, not with just his play on the field, but what he does also off the field.

Speaker 12 And the fact that he was able to win a ring was the cherry on top. So it was a no-brainer as far as your peers picking him as number one.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So Saquon Barkley voted by his peers as the number one player in the NFL in the top 100. Lamar Jackson was second.
Lamar Jackson was second last year. Josh Allen is number three.

Speaker 2 I think he was outside of of the top 10. Jamar Chase was way down.
He's number four. Patrick Mahomes was number four last year.
He's number five.

Speaker 12 Whoa, what do you mean way down?

Speaker 2 I think he was 35 last year, Ocho.

Speaker 23 Chase was. Yeah,

Speaker 23 he was, yeah.

Speaker 12 Oh, I thought you said way down. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 I was saying compared to where he was last year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lamar was two last year.
I think Josh Allen was 12. I think Jamar Chase was like 35.
Patrick Mahomes was four. Joe Burrow was a little outside of the top 20, I think.

Speaker 2 Derrick Henry, Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett was number five.
Justin Jefferson had coming off that sensational year. He got in.
I think he got Nick, but Justin Jefferson has been a top player.

Speaker 2 He's been Mr. Consistent.
And, you know, defensive player of the year, Patrick Sartain.

Speaker 2 But I think with mainly with Saquon and Derrick Henry, what they were able to do. One guy went for 2,000.
The other guy went for 1921.

Speaker 2 First time a guy that's rushed for 1,900 yards didn't win the rushing title. So that just goes to show you how well the other guy guy played.
Because normally, LT, you get 1,900 yards.

Speaker 2 You're like, yeah, I got that rushing title. I got that figure in the bag.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 23 Absolutely. And let's keep this in mind, guys.
The easiest way to win games is still running the football.

Speaker 23 I mean, because you take away the chances of turning it over and crazy things happening where you can run the football and impose your will, you know, cut down on the game.

Speaker 23 You help your defense and all that kind of stuff. So I think at the end of the day, that's why we're starting to see just a little shift i'm not saying we're going completely back to when you when we

Speaker 23 no no no no not 90 to 30 2000 never get back there no we ain't gonna never get back there but i think there's more teams that's starting to focus on the running the run game a little bit more to control games especially when you have a young quarterback or a quarterback who can manage things at the line of scrimmage like all the ones you mentioned uh josh allen lamar jackson all those guys that have good running backs as well it's not going back because you see where these quarterback salaries are going you're about to have a quarterback making 70 million you're not paying the guy 70 million dollars to turn around and hand it to a guy that's making 10 million that ain't happening we pay we pay we paying you 70 million to throw it to a guy that's making 40.

Speaker 2 so that's why we you're never going to see and plus why would you because guess what i can get a rough in the passer i can get uh illegal contact i can get unnecessary roughness i got so many things that can can go right if I just throw the football.

Speaker 2 You see,

Speaker 23 but you're still putting that $70 million quarterback in jeopardy if you got a defense that's in there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But for $70 million, I'm in jeopardy.

Speaker 2 You see what Josh Allen? You see what Josh Allen just got this offseason, LT? $330 million with a quarter of a billy guaranteed.

Speaker 12 But you know, you got to think about too, you got to remember this NFL, too, LT. This is the passing league.

Speaker 12 And running backs that can take that time off the clock, that can get the defensive wrestling on the sideline, it's only a handful of them.

Speaker 12 It's only a handful of them bulls like they can really carry that whole offense on their back where you don't even have to throw the ball when it comes to crunch time and you want to buy some time and take some time off the clock.

Speaker 2 It's only a few now.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 There's only a handful of guys. I remember when Peyton Manning came to the Broncos, I mean, he was the high, he got like 96 million for five years.
I mean, just think about that. Just

Speaker 2 and what?

Speaker 2 For the longest time, 20 25 million was pretty good money for was great money for a quarterback and then it went to 30 and then they like no 30 ain't nothing now they have for now you at 60 million dollars yeah

Speaker 2 60 million dollars and guess what lt we know this ocho they're gonna add another game oh yeah it's gonna be 18 games

Speaker 2 i give it five years they're gonna add another playoff game too That's coming

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 YouTube, YouTube won't end on this action.

Speaker 2 they want to become a network in the only way to become a network you got to have live sporting events mainly the nfl guess who else want to want to get in on that uh uh uh uh netflix uh uh uh uh uh amazon amazon amazon said you know i i look i we love that thursday night package we really do guys we don't want you to think we greedy but we are we like black friday football that friday game after thanksgiving

Speaker 2 but i mean we could really use a package and you're talking about somebody that's sitting on hordes of cash, somebody that's sitting on 30, 40, 50, 100 billion in cash. And the one thing A,

Speaker 2 money talk, cash screams.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we're going to see what's happening, but it's coming. It's coming.

Speaker 2 What was it? He said, Coach, what you call him said by 2025,

Speaker 2 he close.

Speaker 2 They wanted to be a $20 billion industry. They're close.

Speaker 2 2030, Absolutely. They're going to be $25, $30 billion a year.
Easy.

Speaker 23 So, so, so let's, let's, uh, let's sit with that one for a minute because I got a question.

Speaker 23 Okay, so that means that the season is going to have to be prolonged a little bit because the players are going to want another

Speaker 12 two bye weeks.

Speaker 2 We used to have two bye weeks, uh, LT, before you got in the league back in the mid-90s. Yeah, you had two bye weeks.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we had two, yep, in the 90s.

Speaker 2 Wow,

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 you had two bye. You got it, you You got to have it.
But, Ocho,

Speaker 2 LT, man, they're going to be playing the Super Bowl on goddamn St. Patrick's Day.
Right, right, exactly.

Speaker 23 And that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 Because you're starting after Labor Day, and you got two bye weeks. Think about it.
You already at the second week. You already at the second week in what's come.
So now if you add another

Speaker 2 playoff game,

Speaker 2 you're going to be damn near St. Patty's Day.

Speaker 2 You damn sure have the President's Day in February. You're going to be the third.
Hey, you're going to be the third week, fourth week.

Speaker 2 well there's only four weeks in february anyway but you might be playing on leap year

Speaker 2 and but that's what that's what the money is because what else can you do the only thing you can do is give them another game there ain't nothing else you can do in the game within the game you can only give them an additional game to create additional revenue revenue yeah and these owners the one thing we know about them they can know you can never that's one thing you've never heard somebody say people have said i got too many pairs of shoes i got too many, too many, too much jewelry.

Speaker 2 I got too many cars. I got too many homes.
Name the person that's ever said, man, I got too much money. Yeah, you're right.
But listen,

Speaker 12 also, even you got to, you got to remember, too, if they are adding the game, even no matter how long it is, if the season goes in the second, third week of February, the players understand they're getting a bigger piece of the pie, too.

Speaker 12 They getting a bigger piece of the pie. Now, I don't know.
We don't know what it's going to look like yet.

Speaker 2 All I want that pie, Ocho. I don't want any, don't franchise me, no franchise tags.

Speaker 2 I want lifetime.

Speaker 2 If I get 10 years in the league,

Speaker 2 LT, Ocho, I want lifetime health benefits.

Speaker 2 That should be a bare minimum, Ocho.

Speaker 2 LT, that should be a bare minimum.

Speaker 2 Because let's just say for the sake of argument, you get health insurance for five years after you retire. The average career is about two and a half to three years.
Okay, you retire at 25.

Speaker 2 Bruh, you ain't going to have no illness, nothing really really major some at 30 you need that issue 65 down the road yes

Speaker 2 i mean you can you can you know you can prolong it you can take the uh the five years anytime you want to but but at 30 from 25 to 30 nah nah nah nah i won't if i get 10 years i want lifetime health benefits i won't and guess what i don't want you to be able to franchise me yeah no and all this well they got to pick one or the other you know how this i want both of them oh sure you know how this works you got to come to the table and the owners are going to tell you you're going to get one thing which one which one do you want do you want lifetime benefits well then that's what we're going to we're going to work out a deal to make well i say you get one and then the player is going to have i say i tell you what you get one you want an extra regular season game or an extra playoff game you get one

Speaker 2 hey

Speaker 12 hey listen player the players got one person on a lt that'll fight for him one person

Speaker 12 You put me in position of power to represent the players. I'm going to get us lifetime benefits.
No franchise tag.

Speaker 12 And what's the other one? Guaranteed contracts. That's my three.

Speaker 2 Hey, listen. I don't know.

Speaker 12 Hey, I'm telling you, LT, I'm telling you, once I put that suit on, once I put that suit and that tie on, and you put me in the right room. And I flip that switch, boy, it's a wrap.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the players have got to get something. But they bargained for privileges way back when, LT.
Because I see you bargaining and talking about, well, I don't want to do two a days.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't want to put the pads on, but so many times during the course of the year. Bro, you played a game of football.
You play tackle football, but you don't want to tackle? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So you bargain for petty privileges. Go look at what Roger Goodell bargained for.

Speaker 2 Look at what they bargained for. Different.
Now, Roger Goodell ain't taking no hits. He got lifetime medical.
He get used to the jet, right?

Speaker 2 you see what he bargain you see the difference between bargaining what i'm bargaining for and what you're bargaining for he want benefits they think a long term too even though he's making 30 40 million dollars a year he wants someone else to pay for those lifetime benefits

Speaker 23 but um why you think i mean think about it why as players the current players why aren't they thinking about lifetime benefits why because isn't that an area of focus i'm not i'm not going to get a debilitating illness i'm not going to get anything that's going to disrupt what I've already got.

Speaker 2 I remember, and I'm not going to call anybody's name, because I was in the league when free agency actually happened, LT.

Speaker 2 And there are a lot of guys, man, you give me a million dollars, damn them benefits. I buy my own health insurance.
Now, I ain't telling you what somebody told you. I'm telling you what I know.

Speaker 2 Because I was in the league when the Reggie White and the Self-Joiners, when they filed that petition and it came and we got free agency. And that's what a lot of guys say.

Speaker 2 You give me a million dollars, you give me $2 million, I buy my own health care.

Speaker 23 And that's my point,

Speaker 23 that's my point, because most players feel like that. We invest

Speaker 23 we never think about what's going to happen, you know, after we retire 10, 15 years after we retire. We never think about that.
We are warriors.

Speaker 23 We only think about what's happening now and getting as much money as possible for us to live off of.

Speaker 2 And see what happens.

Speaker 2 You get a situation where you get a divorce or you have a couple of kids outside.

Speaker 2 And next thing you know, $5,000, $10,000, $15,000 a month. The wife takes halves, she takes half your pension.
So now you're half the person that you went into the relationship with.

Speaker 2 Now, long term, because if somebody would have told me when I was 25,

Speaker 2 35, 40 that I was going to have both of my hips replaced, I wouldn't have believed it.

Speaker 2 So now you're talking about $125,000 surgery per.

Speaker 2 Okay, you get, I mean, some of these cancer drugs, you're talking about $30,000, $40,000 $40,000 a month.

Speaker 2 What? Whoa. A month, a month.

Speaker 2 A month, a month.

Speaker 2 Yes. So, like, LT,

Speaker 2 to your point, LT, we don't think,

Speaker 2 we think we're invincible. And things that

Speaker 2 happen to normal citizens that didn't play in the NFL, that ain't going to happen to us.

Speaker 2 We're not going to become a burden. We're not going to have Alzheimer's.
We're not going to have dementia. We're not going to suffer Lou Gary's.
We're not going to suffer things. That is a stress.

Speaker 2 When you have to have 24-hour care, boy, that'd be, hey, boy, that'd eat, that'll eat up a savings.

Speaker 2 And so they don't, you don't, you don't think about things like that. But I wish the players would think, give it more care, more consideration when they think long-term, say, like, you know what?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But a lot of, and plus, guys,

Speaker 2 other sports, they think about the guys guys that's coming after them yeah you see kurt flood he never benefited for free agency cost him his career but everybody else that did you see nobody is willing to risk anything that might cost them right and and the thing is ojo and i i told uh lt i told ocho this sometimes you got to plant a tree realizing that you're not going to benefit from the shade it produces

Speaker 2 Sometimes you got to fight for something

Speaker 2 that you're not going to be the benefit benefits of what you're actually fighting for.

Speaker 2 Think about all the people in the 60s that fought for civil rights, that never got a chance.

Speaker 2 Come on now. That never got a chance to

Speaker 2 go to

Speaker 2 a non-segregated place.

Speaker 2 That never got an opportunity to do anything but sit in the back.

Speaker 2 That never got an opportunity to see a black president. That never got an opportunity to some of the things that we get afforded.

Speaker 2 Sometimes you have to be willing to sacrifice some things for the betterment of everything.

Speaker 2 And I don't think enough people think of it like

Speaker 2 oh, Joe, Micah Parsons was reportedly viewed by some Cowboys teammates as egotistical and self-centered.

Speaker 2 Hold on, Sports Illustrated, Albert Breer reports Martin, Lamb, and Prescott are very popular in the locker room. That's Zach Martin, CeeDee Lamb, Dak Prescott.

Speaker 2 That's not the case with Parsons, who has rankled teammates in different ways, seen by some as egotistical and self-centered. His podcast, which we knew, Ocho, has created issues too.

Speaker 2 And they go all the way up to the quarterback, Dak Prescott. We said that we would start hearing negative comments about Michael.
Ocho, what did I tell you? We just had this, we had this conversation.

Speaker 2 I said, oh, Ocho, die, pretty soon, you're going to start hearing negative comments about

Speaker 2 Michael Sievert.locker. I said, come, onchoo i know it's coming

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 i always felt yeah because here's the thing on you you do a podcast yes sir you lose the first thing they're gonna say if you get your ass off the podcast and practice and study your play you win games

Speaker 2 in order for your podcast you got to be interested you got to be entertaining so you got to take shots at other people And, you know, I think there was a situation, wasn't it talking about quarterbacks and he didn't have Dak in his top five or something like that?

Speaker 12 I remember that.

Speaker 2 So, yeah,

Speaker 2 I get it.

Speaker 2 I don't have a problem. I think the thing is, Ocho, a lot of people want to get on the media, going to get in the media space and they're trying to create that medium now.

Speaker 2 But you have to be careful. You really have to be careful.
I tell guys, look, if CBS or Fox or NBC calls you and they ask you, go do it on your bye week. Right.
Go to your local news station.

Speaker 2 Talk sports. Talk to the, you know, the guy that does sport.
That's what I did when I was in Denver. I had a local radio show.

Speaker 2 But when they called me, hey, I would go do highlights. Right.
Do something. But this podcast, I mean,

Speaker 2 you have to be careful. And plus, and I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Everybody is not going to be liked in a locker room. I don't care how great you are.
There are going to be some people that you're going to rub the wrong way. You don't talk too much.
You standoffish.

Speaker 2 You don't talk enough. You don't ingratiate yourself to the locker room.
So everybody is not going to be beloved. That's okay.
That's okay. But I knew this podcast would cause an issue.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Ocho. It shouldn't have.

Speaker 12 There's no reason it should cause issues.

Speaker 12 Anything Micah decides to do outside of the game of football, when he's not playing, when he's not in meetings, when he's not playing a game, you know, it's all for it.

Speaker 12 I'm all for it. If you know Micah, if you met him personally, you understand he's a very playful, fun-loving guy.

Speaker 12 He's a likable person. He's not in the type of that

Speaker 12 you can not like, you know, or one of those people who come to work and it's strictly business. He doesn't associate with you.
No, he's friendly.

Speaker 12 So again, when things like this come out, of course, those who might not like him are those who probably don't do their goddamn job on Sundays at one o'clock.

Speaker 12 I bet you that. Those who don't like him are the ones who don't show up like he showed up the past four years.

Speaker 12 and doing what he's supposed to do and being one of the few who's had 12 sacks in the last four years at his position. I guarantee you that.

Speaker 12 Let's pull up the stats for the people or the person that's in that locker room that claims they don't like him.

Speaker 12 And I guarantee you, it doesn't live up to the standard at their position that he lives up to is his.

Speaker 12 I bet you that it's always hating ass shit. I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 It's always someone that's not frowned upon, someone else who's doing something outside of the building, but they handles their business inside of the building, especially in between the lines.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 But I'm not, look, I'm not surprised.

Speaker 2 I'm sure there are a lot of people that like me in Denver. Some didn't.
Some people like me in Baltimore. Some didn't.

Speaker 2 I guess some a little more now than others, but hey, that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 2 Ocho, you know, sensing that?

Speaker 12 Hey, that threw me for a loop.

Speaker 2 That threw me for a loop. I mean,

Speaker 12 I know, I know, I know, but I'm just, yeah.

Speaker 2 It threw a lot of people for a loop, OJo. Ocho.
Uh, but I looked, he's it's over with now. Um,

Speaker 2 and let's go to the right here, so because this just add, just add some layers to it. Just a week ago, Dak said he was confident Parsons would be on the field for the Cowboys matchup week one.

Speaker 2 Well, Dak

Speaker 2 has a new tune since Michael got dealt. I definitely think he was going to get uh trade.

Speaker 2 I definitely didn't think he was going to get the trade, get traded, but just the way their negotiations went down, obviously to

Speaker 2 some extent, hell, y'all were asking me questions. Remember, I said that's how it it becomes a distraction because you're not asking me about the game, you're asking me about Michael's contract.

Speaker 2 Y'all was asking me questions. It seemed like it had gotten personal, which we said that it had become personal.

Speaker 2 And so that's why I wasn't surprised. Yeah, I told you.
Jerry's Eagle.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 it came out today that Deron Bland got a contract extension. Yeah, but did you, but did you hold on?

Speaker 2 Well deserved.

Speaker 12 Well deserved.

Speaker 2 But they had been working with his representative since offseason. Jake Ferguson got a deal.
They had been

Speaker 2 working with his representative all offseason. They're trying to get Tyler Smith done.
They're working with his representative. You see here, Ocho? You see how Jerry's ego?

Speaker 2 Jerry's ego wouldn't let him work with Micah's agent because I'm going to show you I do what I want to do. And if you want to do a deal here, you're going to do it my way.

Speaker 2 So if you work with all of those guys representative, he worked with CD's representative. He worked with DAC's representative.
I just listed three guys represented that he worked with.

Speaker 2 But for some reason, he was unwilling to work with Micah's representative.

Speaker 12 He took that friendship and those conversations to heart. He took those friendship, those conversations and that friendship to heart.
And Micah split that right down in the middle.

Speaker 12 Listen, I play for your team. You sign my checks.
But when it comes to conducting business, you're going to have to talk to my representation.

Speaker 12 Even after whatever handshake, whatever words might have been exchanged. That's not the way contracts work.
That's not the way business works. You were trying to undermine Micah Parsons.

Speaker 12 You were trying to pay him not what he's worth, obviously, because he mentioned about what he was offering, but the offering that he was paying Micah to make him the highest paid was before TJ Watt got paid.

Speaker 12 It was before Miles Garrett got paid.

Speaker 2 And plus, he said, I will make you the highest paid, but

Speaker 2 you added years. You added a year to it.

Speaker 12 Trying to be slick.

Speaker 2 to be slick.

Speaker 2 Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett got four years, 160.

Speaker 2 No, bro, I'm not going to let you do that. I shook your hand, but I told you, call my agent, call my representative.

Speaker 2 You won't call the representative back? No.

Speaker 2 You try, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. They told you, no, we don't, you want to do a five-year plus the option.
That's six years.

Speaker 2 Most agents want to keep that thing for plus the one because I want another bite at this.

Speaker 2 Now, because what once Micah contracts once his uh that 3136 guaranteed money, so within the first three years, he's not going to have any more guaranteed money the back end, Ocho.

Speaker 2 So now, and plus, that means his uh

Speaker 2 his uh cap number is going to be extremely high because I get to prorate that 120 over a five-year period.

Speaker 2 So, I try to try to div it up equally.

Speaker 2 But at the back end, those last those last couple years ocho that thing gonna be high the giraffe head oh yeah oh yeah so now i come back to the table well you know hey you know six years now michael says hey i'm 26.

Speaker 2 i can get another bite at this apple at 30.

Speaker 2 oh y'all have to see your boy at 30.

Speaker 2 30 come on now

Speaker 2 but uh i i i that's what i'm looking at i'm like hold on What you mean

Speaker 2 they talk to Deron Bland's representative? What do you mean they talk to Jake Ferguson's representative? What do you mean they're looking to talk to Tyler Smith's representative?

Speaker 2 Micah just asked to talk to my representative. No, we had a deal.
No, we didn't. I shook your head and told you.
Call my agent. Right.

Speaker 2 He knew what the agent was going to say.

Speaker 12 Oh, he know. No.
Hey, wait, the supposedly the best agent in the game? Oh, you knew exactly what he was going to say.

Speaker 12 You knew exactly. You can't pull a fast one on the agent.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 12 Pull a fast one on the player.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because he looking at the mic is looking at the oh cho, he's looking at that man, 200 million. Oh, you're oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 12 See, it looked good, it looked good. But the agent, the agent got a magnifying glass.
Let me peel back some of these layers to this 200 million you're talking about.

Speaker 2 You know, yeah, I got light on

Speaker 2 here with dark in the room, but I can't feed. I need it, yeah, you know.
You're going to do restaurants, oh cho, and they hand you the menu. I pull out my phone right quick, put that light on.

Speaker 2 Cool, look at the prices.

Speaker 12 Damn, hey, it never, it never ever

Speaker 12 seems what they say it is never

Speaker 2 that's why you need representation that's it i'm not oh joe i'm not saying we've seen guys we see lamar and his his mom and with the help of with an nfl pa lawyer do the contract themselves but they made it abundantly clear we're not hiring representation we'll do something hourly we'll get an nfl pa we saw bobby wagner do that we saw Sherm do his own contract.

Speaker 2 Okay, if the guy says I'm doing my own contract, I got no problem with that. You can, the owner, the general manager can work directly with the player.
You see Shay Gilgis.

Speaker 2 Now, it's a lot easier in basketball because you either get in the max or damn near close to a max deal. So Shay says, I'm not going to hand over 3%, 4% when I already know I'm going to get the max.

Speaker 2 Right. Got it.
Got it. But in the NFL,

Speaker 2 hey, Lamarck says, I feel I can go it alone. That 3%, I can keep that in my pocket.
And when you're dealing with that kind of money, 3% don't seem like much.

Speaker 2 When you start dealing $100, $200, $300 million, 3% is a damn lot of money. A lot of money.
A whole lot of money. So with that being said, he knew Michael had representation.

Speaker 2 Now, he worked with everybody else's representation. Now, if that's what

Speaker 2 I read was correct, it said he worked. They've been working with Deron Bland's representation all offseason.

Speaker 2 Same thing with Jake Ferguson, and they're working with Tyler Smith, trying to get something done now. We know they work with Dak Prescott.
He's the highest paid.

Speaker 2 He didn't do a deal directly with Dak. He worked with Todd France, who's the CD's agent.

Speaker 2 He worked with that, but for some reason, I just need to know why was he so unwilling to work with David Mugaletta?

Speaker 2 I just need somebody to explain that to me.

Speaker 12 Also, probably understand maybe he didn't want to pay Mike all along.

Speaker 12 Maybe he didn't want to pay Mike all along, understanding that he had other deals coming off the table, like the Ron Bland, or whatever he's getting ready to do with Jake Ferguson or whoever else they might pay before the CD.

Speaker 12 Would they CAA? okay

Speaker 2 okay they would ca

Speaker 2 yeah but but here's the thing on you if that's the case if you needed to stop the run if you didn't like the way michael was hurt if you don't think michael so why would you negotiate so why would you want to deal do a deal with the guy if he is not what you think he is or he's not the player so why would you even enter why would you even try to work a deal with him Why not just go ahead and trade it?

Speaker 2 Why not get a draft pick this year?

Speaker 12 Well, because he was lying to himself. Oh, he was lying to us, trying to make us believe that he's the reason

Speaker 12 believe like okay now he's gone well we let him go because hey we need to get better at stopping the run child please stop playing yeah you hadn't been able to stop the run for four years so what you got all those defensive tackles for

Speaker 2 you see the problem that i have is that your defense was not built to stop the run your offense was and shannon what do you and then people i know chat you're asking me with shannon what do you mean by that his offense was built to get the lead and so now his defense pinning the ears back they're an undersized defense and as long as you can keep the game close or you can get the lead you can pound their ass pause you can run the ball

Speaker 2 because i know what y'all go i know y'all go y'all about to say some crazy stuff so in other words you can run the ball on them because they're built to play with a lead and get pressure

Speaker 2 now

Speaker 2 guess what they ain't got no lead They have to stand up in there. And a lot of those guys ain't got a whole lot of bricks in their back pocket.

Speaker 2 So build your off when you build your team a certain way well you build your team with speed you need to be able to use it and if you got a team that's that want to run the football speed don't help you nah

Speaker 2 at all

Speaker 2 so uh

Speaker 2 that that that's that's one of the things um

Speaker 2 and look and people like well what dad could have did no if i'm dak i ain't doing nothing I'm getting all my money.

Speaker 12 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 My job, my job, you tell us with players.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, what do they tell us? He's a player. Well, if I'm a player, my job ain't try to figure out the cap.

Speaker 2 You figure out the cap. You don't pay me extra work on the cap.
You pay me a salary to do what I do on the football field. All that other stuff, it ain't my job to worry about the cab.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, they got a cap and you can only do so. I ain't got nothing to do with me.

Speaker 12 You know what else? You know what else works in favor, especially in quarterback positions, especially in DAC position?

Speaker 12 There have been other quarterbacks that have been in great situations where the timing of when it's time for them to get paid, there's nowhere else for that team to go.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 12 There's nowhere else for that team to go to get someone that's competent enough to come in and be quarterback number one.

Speaker 12 So you ain't got no choice but to pay these young fellas what they owe at the time. You ain't got no choice because

Speaker 2 there's no other option. Right.
And plus, I'm not, first of all, I don't trust Jerry. Jerry ain't built nothing in 30 years.
So why would I, why am I going to leave him money on the table?

Speaker 2 Why am I going to, first of all, this is my really first big bite at the Apple. Why am I going to give a guy that's worth $15 billion? Why am I going to give him a discount?

Speaker 12 Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 Chat, let's just say for the sake of argument, you work for a company and that company is worth $20 billion. And they say, you know what,

Speaker 2 Charlene, we want to get Pam an HR, but it's going to cost us to go take $15,000 of your money. Well, Charlene ain't going to be an HR because you ain't taking a dime of mine.

Speaker 2 So, no, you don't give no billionaire, no discount. You're a millionaire.
Now, if the next contract that wants to be generous enough,

Speaker 12 that's different.

Speaker 2 That's on him. But I feel no obligation to cut you a slack so you can.
No, no, no, no, no, that ain't got nothing to do with me.

Speaker 12 Not that first one.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 12 That first one. No, sir.

Speaker 2 Because what Jerry say, when CBS, I don't know if you watch this, CBS had had the broadcast right.

Speaker 2 A lot of the other owners.

Speaker 2 CBS was losing money. A lot of the other owners wanted to keep CBS as the broadcast partner.
Jerry said, no, we're not cutting them a deal. We're not going to do it.
But see, Jerry refute.

Speaker 2 Go ask CBS. Go ask NBC.
Go ask Fox. Go ask Amazon.
Go ask Netflix. Did y'all get a deal with these NFL rights?

Speaker 2 They didn't get a deal, but they expect players. Well, Shannon, there's a cap.
What they got to do with me? Ain't no cap on my bank account.

Speaker 2 My bank account says as much money as a pour in, we can take it.

Speaker 2 That ain't got nothing to do with me

Speaker 2 because teens will make as much money as they can. Now, it's going to sound very, very interesting, Ocho.
Now, you watch with these next contracts. Watch around 28.
Because these things come due.

Speaker 2 They're coming due, Ocho, about 20, so 20, 20, about 10 years. Watch around 28 when they start doing it.

Speaker 2 YouTube is going to say, hey, we want some of this.

Speaker 2 Netflix is going to say, hey, man, live programming. We want some of this.

Speaker 2 Amazon say, whoo, ooh, man. Oh, man, I see what we do.
Hey, I see what we're doing with these Thursday night games. I see what we do with these Black Friday games.

Speaker 2 Woo, just imagine we get a whole package.

Speaker 2 So that 430, that 432 is going to probably be 650.

Speaker 2 Come 2028, 2029.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I'm going to get me a little piece of that too. Hey.

Speaker 2 So, I, man, please.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we're going to get me a little piece of that.

Speaker 12 I need to holler at Jeff. i got a i got a um i got an interview with jeff bezos for a

Speaker 2 position over over at amazon so okay i'm excited to see how that's gonna go all right the cowboys agreed to turn with cornerback deron bland four years 92 million dollars with an extension of 50 million guaranteed and ocho he got what 20 million at the time of signing.

Speaker 2 Bland average, 23 million, makes him the sixth highest paid corner in the league. Bland, a one-time pro bowler, the one-time all-pro

Speaker 2 from his nine-interception 23 to 23 campaign, in which he delivered a record-setting five-pick sixes as part of a prolific cornerback corner see uh a cornerback duo with Trayvon Diggs. He earned it.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 You got Nick last year, but his first year, I think he had five picks. He turned around, give you a 14.
He got Nick. Hey, you believe he's your guy?

Speaker 2 You got you got a little extra money stashed away since you didn't sign Micah. Hey, we good.
They good. I like it.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 he definitely earned that.

Speaker 12 I'm excited to see him back. I'm excited to see when Trayvon when Trayvon Dig comes back.
You know, so

Speaker 12 I think they, they, uh, defensively, I'm not sure what the caliber is gonna look like, but they're gonna have some bright spots at certain positions. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it like that.

Speaker 12 They're gonna have some bright spots at certain positions.

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