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Speaker 2 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for staying up late with us and joining us as you watch opening weekend of the NFL season.

Speaker 2 The defending champs, the Philadelphia Eagles, took down the Dallas Cowboys division rival, NFC East rival.

Speaker 2 The Dallas Cowboys by the score of 24-20, they got two rushing touchdowns from Jalen Hurts, and that was more than enough to carry them to a victory. The first half was very, very entertaining.

Speaker 2 It was really, really good football. Neither defense could get off the field, but

Speaker 2 the third quarter, the lightning delayed the game, and it was really never the same after that. Thank you, Gaul.
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The Eagles beat the Cowboys, Ojo, by the score of 24-20. It was an awful half, a late half for CD.

Speaker 2 CD had big, big drop, OJ, and he being that guy, he's the number one.

Speaker 2 He's wide receiver number one not in this game not in that game uh dak through they had a quarters beaters on ocho they gobbled him up they ran the ran the slot he gobbled up the safety corners playing outside leverage cd goes to the post god he's dak just walk

Speaker 2 that's a handoff that's what we call what a walk to him dack that's a long handoff dropped it in the bucket CD said, nah, I don't want it, Dak. You take it.
Throw it back at him. Came back later.

Speaker 2 Threw him another one up the rail got a goal

Speaker 2 i don't know why diving like you do in an s t plunge you ain't diving in the pool just run up

Speaker 13 he dove purposely just because the safety was coming so that to avoid to avoid getting hit and being able to make the catch i'm gonna dive for this one bring it in um i i don't know what happened tonight i don't know what happened tonight cd had a chance to win the game for the cowboys That's the way the game should have ended.

Speaker 13 As great as the game was before the lightning delay with them both, with both teams going up and down the field and scoring back to back.

Speaker 13 listen yeah the cowboys should have sealed the deal he had what was it was three big plays right it was three

Speaker 2 well i counted three i counted three drops but uh uh uh somebody's uh uh uh tweeted at me said no he had four drops but i know i count i counted three because i know i counted one in the second quarter that he had one and it went right through his hand he almost got it picked as a matter of fact Two of the three, two of the four drops almost got picked and probably should have been picked.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 you're right, Ojo. CD being the player that he is.

Speaker 13 You got to have those, Uncle. You got to have those, especially being what we consider you to be.
When we talk about the top five receivers in the NFL, those are the kind of catches that you make.

Speaker 13 Matter of fact, the money that you do make is the reason you make that kind of money for opportunities in situations like that.

Speaker 13 They expect you to make those. So, I mean, it's unfortunate.
CD is going to have to get back to the drawing board.

Speaker 13 And you know what to do, Uncle You've had games like that, big games where you drop important plays that can change the magnitude of a

Speaker 13 You know, and it's moments like that that determine wins and losses.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's about, no, one play. No, it's not one play.
It was four plays. It was four plays.
I counted three.

Speaker 2 And three of them would have been first downs, Ocho. The last one

Speaker 2 basically ended the game because that was on fourth down.

Speaker 2 But he had the post. I mean, Brian Schottenheimer had the perfect play called on.
They're playing quarters coverage. They got the slot to eat up the safety.

Speaker 2 The corner is playing outside leverage on CD. CD runs a post.
Dak can't throw it any better. That's what we call walking to him.
He walked. That's a long handoff.

Speaker 2 That's how perfect the ball was thrown. He threw the other one that he dropped that he laid out for, Ocho.

Speaker 2 You know, when you're unsure of your hands, you do a lot of diving because you're going to catch it with your body, Ocho. You're supposed to run up under the thing.

Speaker 2 Hey, see, that's CD Lamb.

Speaker 2 CD Lamb's supposed to run up front of that face. Ooh, damn, Dak, you handed this up to me.
You handed me another one.

Speaker 2 A lot of times, there are times that you have to dive, but I don't believe CD needed to dive for that ball, Joe. Watching it,

Speaker 2 playing the receiver position, you play the receiver position. I don't believe he needed to die for that.

Speaker 13 Listen, I think he was trying to protect himself. And I gave my based on what I saw.
Okay, why he did die. Okay, I'm going to dive and catch it because I know the safety is coming.

Speaker 13 I'm going to avoid the collision by jumping forward and being able to cover myself up and protect myself by making the catch, by diving. Obviously, things didn't work out.

Speaker 13 Those are plays that we expect, that we all expect. People watching, whether you're a Cowboys fan or not, you expect CD Lamb to make because those two catches, those two big catches on,

Speaker 13 change the trajectory of the game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 And the Cowboys have a turnover too, OJ.

Speaker 2 You remember they had a turnover also. They was down, they were down to what like the 10-yard line, and the guy bombed with the ball running back, running back.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes, matter of fact, that was um, that was Sanders, Miles Sanders, Miles sanders first of all

Speaker 2 i thought miles sanders was faster than that ain't no way a linebacker supposed to catch a running back i don't give a damn who the linebacker is

Speaker 13 you got to remember that we talk we talk about linebackers that run a 4445 now zach braun don't run no 4445 that's miles sanders

Speaker 2 So what linebacker? So what linebacker, what linebacker you know, catching Derrick Henry? Which one catching Saquon? Which one catching Christian mccaffrey yeah but see

Speaker 2 you can't let no running back you can't let no linebacker catch ocho and look where he came from just look at look at the look at the running backs you just named you you named your tier one running backs you you named your tier one running back where you go back and look go back and look where and see where zach braun came from and you tell me if he's supposed to run miles sanders down and what made it even more egregious if he tried to punch the ball out first he missed that say damn i couldn't punch it out now let me tackle him

Speaker 2 bro. You cannot let a oh, Joe, in a situation like that, that's a breakaway.
Because you broke the initial line. Safety takes a horrible angle.

Speaker 2 Corner, don't know corner like a blind dog in a meat house. Tell me about which way did he go? Which way did he go? So he didn't know anything.
And now he got

Speaker 2 hit my head on the goal.

Speaker 13 You're supposed to.

Speaker 13 I don't think Miles Sanders is not one of those burners like that. He's not a Chris Johnson.
You know, he's not a Jameer Gibbs. He's not going to get out.

Speaker 13 And even with the pursuit, I'm going to outrun everybody. He

Speaker 2 well, hell, he ran like Freddie Gills.

Speaker 2 You talking about Jameer Gills? Hell, I'd have to talk Freddie Gibbs on that one. Hell, I think he could have made it there.

Speaker 2 Chat, y'all go back and look at that play

Speaker 2 and tell me, look at where Braun came from, and you tell me if he was supposed to run Miles Sanders down. Oh, Joe, he's on the other side.
Hey, oh, hey, I can see you ever, listen.

Speaker 13 Oh, you ran track, didn't you?

Speaker 13 Yes, I did. Let me tell you the feeling Miles Sanders had.
You ever ran that goddamn 400?

Speaker 2 I did. I was on my relay team.
I ran over four times.

Speaker 13 You went off that third curve and that monkey jump on your back?

Speaker 2 And you tried everything?

Speaker 2 That last 110, Ocho, you got to come up out there.

Speaker 2 That last one ten, you got to come up out of there.

Speaker 13 You know that feeling?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And like

Speaker 2 the thing is, Ocho, look, I understand if the guy is pursuing, that means he got an anger. Angle, excuse me.
But this guy was a chaser. He chased him down.
He didn't have no angle.

Speaker 2 He ran it. I'm like, what the hell?

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 I like what I saw from the Cowboys offensively.

Speaker 2 Defensively, I'm still concerned, Ocho, because if you go back and look, when they came, when they came out of the lightning timeout, the delay, if you notice, Ibra Flus did something that he didn't do early in the game, which was blitz.

Speaker 2 He blitzed two.

Speaker 2 He brought

Speaker 2 digs, he brought a corner, and then he brought a slot. So he brought a cap and a slot blitz because he saw he couldn't get there with just four.
And when they got a minimal pressure, they let him.

Speaker 2 You can't give up lanes to a mobile quarterback.

Speaker 13 Every time.

Speaker 2 I'm like, dude, what are y'all doing?

Speaker 2 And that's not what Ibra Fluz liked to play cover two. He'd like to keep everything in front of him.

Speaker 2 He doesn't want to sacrifice his back end, but he had no choice because those, A, you got the number one rated left tackle. You got the number one rated right tackle.
So you ain't getting nothing.

Speaker 2 Now, My Lotta did get lazy on one play, and he stayed

Speaker 2 too long, and I don't remember 41's name, but he allowed him to get some pressure. But Lane Johnson was, Lane Johnson was doing it like, A.

Speaker 2 He was doing his thing tonight. Dickerson did go out.
So that's a situation that Bear is is watching.

Speaker 2 But I told you, Ocho, I had some concerns because the Eagles lost their coordinator. And the guy that they got calling plays now has never called plays.
So I don't give a damn who your personnel is.

Speaker 2 The likelihood of somebody that's never called plays come in and been dealing is probably not going to happen. Now, you mean to tell me you go

Speaker 2 30, 45, 56 minutes before you give A.J. Brown a target.

Speaker 13 Man, listen,

Speaker 13 I tweeted that. I think they were nine minutes into the second quarter.
And the first thing I said was, well, can we get A.J. Brown involved, please? There's no need.

Speaker 13 There's no need for AJ to have to be reading that book called Silence on the Sideline Again.

Speaker 13 There's no need for that. How do you go into a game in week one

Speaker 13 and you pay AJ Brown, what, 28, 28 million?

Speaker 2 No, AJ get like 33 million and he doesn't have a target.

Speaker 13 How is he not a part of the game plan? I understand the Eagles have a way of doing things.

Speaker 13 matter of fact the way the eagles do do things they went and won a super bowl by doing things the way they do them but how do you not get your number one target your number one receiver involved into the game early um it doesn't have to be anything extravagant it could be a smoke route it could be a it could be a quick hitch it could be a quick out you know something just to get him just to get him acclimated and make him feel like he's a part of the a part of the game plan

Speaker 2 i didn't see a whole lot of separation

Speaker 2 the fourth quarter

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 I didn't see a whole lot of separation either, Ocho. To go back when they were showing, when they would show

Speaker 2 a different angle,

Speaker 2 it's not like there was a whole lot of separation. It's

Speaker 2 Zach Bond.

Speaker 2 B-A-U-N, Bond. I was saying Braun.

Speaker 2 How do you pronounce it? B-A-U-N.

Speaker 2 B-A-U-N.

Speaker 2 All I know is that he chased down Miles Sanders, and then the very next play, they fumble the ball. So he saved the touchdown.

Speaker 2 Now, you look at the difference. See, that's that's one guy that

Speaker 2 somebody sometimes ojo we get, oh, somebody else will make that play.

Speaker 2 He took it upon himself. I ain't worried about nobody, I'm gonna go make the damn play.

Speaker 2 And sometimes we get that on a team because football is the ultimate team game. Man, Ocho gonna make the play.
Nah, you gonna make the play

Speaker 2 bond, like

Speaker 2 B and UN Don, Bond, Bond. Okay,

Speaker 2 But it's,

Speaker 2 I thought the game was really was.

Speaker 2 I mean, there was no defense in the first half. Let me take that back.
If you like offense, this game was the game for you in the first half. But when that delay happened, Ocho,

Speaker 2 that's hard. That is very hard to take that kind of time.
Because, Ocho, you just came out of delay. You just came out of half.
You didn't get back going.

Speaker 2 And then so now you're like, okay, I'm good to go. I'm good to go.
And they blow it. This is now, you back for a delay for another 45 minutes.

Speaker 2 So it's hard to tune back up after you've turned down and to tune back, you know, turn down again and get back going. So the game, the game,

Speaker 2 the second half was not as interesting as the first half.

Speaker 13 The first half was phenomenal. For it to be a week one game, the way it was promoted, the way it was advertised, it lived up to just that.
It lived up to just that. Now, I got a question for you, too.

Speaker 13 How do you feel with Michael Parsons being out? And I think Michael Parsons not being there,

Speaker 13 if Micah was there, I think he takes away some of those scrambling, some of those where people weren't disciplined, staying in their lanes.

Speaker 13 So I think some of that pressure, there was really no pressure on

Speaker 13 Brother Jalen Hurts for most of the night. How do you feel the Cowboys did in the run game that Jerry claimed they improved on since getting rid of Michael Parsons?

Speaker 2 Well, they gave up 38 for 158. So that's about what?

Speaker 2 That's about four carry.

Speaker 2 They did a great job on Saquon, 18 for 60.

Speaker 2 They didn't let him go crazy. He had a nice TD run.
The TD run was really, really nice. Jalen Hurts was the only one that really hurt him with his legs.

Speaker 2 Those two touchdowns, because people got the gap responsibility. They got out of their lanes.
He found the lane.

Speaker 2 The thing that you don't want to let a mobile quarterback do is scramble to his dominant hand. Well, he's a right-handed quarterback, and the first touchdown, you let him get outside to

Speaker 2 his dominant hand. Second one, you know, you just got collapsed down and then he takes out the back door.
So give Jalen Hurts credit for that.

Speaker 2 Dallas is going to have to be, there's not a time you're going to have to, well, look, you got Jaden Daniels in that division. Russ can run, but Russ ain't Jalen Hurts.
He's not Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 2 But looking at this game, Ocho, I think Dallas is going to be fine. I don't want to make too much about it because I think Dallas's offense

Speaker 2 is going to be fine. The question that I have is that are they going to be able to generate enough pressure?

Speaker 2 That's the question that I have, OJo. Now everybody ain't got an offensive line like Killy now.

Speaker 13 No, which is

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 the thing that Philly was able to do is that they were able to say, look,

Speaker 2 they didn't get down

Speaker 2 to make that the force Dallas couldn't force them to just throw, throw, throw. Because we still could run just enough because, you know, it was 7-0 and 7-7.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, the score was what it was. So it was never a situation where the Eagles had to get out of character.

Speaker 2 Now, if you have to get out of character and you're not able to run the ball to make those guys like well, they can run it, well, you're gonna have a problem.

Speaker 2 And the thing is that you got to give Iber Fluce credit because if you play cover two, you got to run a team out of cover two.

Speaker 2 And that's why there was nothing there because that's what Iberflues liked to play. You go back and study him at Indy, you go back and study him with the Bears.

Speaker 2 That's the defense that he loves to play. And so,

Speaker 2 you know, like I said,

Speaker 2 I'm not overly concerned, but I'm cautious about the Eagles because this is the first year, this is a first-year play caller,

Speaker 2 and the expectations are so high because you're coming off a Super Bowl, you got the offensive player of the year, you bring your basically all your offensive guys back.

Speaker 2 Now, you did lose a lot of guys on defense. Now, and what we're going to get into like before the game even started, oh Joe, according to the next gen stat, Zach Bond

Speaker 2 reached the top speed of 20.68 to make a td saver tackle miles sanders was 19.2 i told you you got you gotta think that's the fastest play from scrimmage of his career yeah i told you he got i don't know exact bond i don't know what he ran i don't know what he ran at the combine but i do understand that monkey jumped on miles sanders back i don't know if miles sanders has ever been a blazer uh

Speaker 13 well it's got to be di a player that we've that we've looked or viewed as a burner that can hit his head off the goalpost from anyone in the field i don't think we've ever viewed him like that and and brother brother brother bond is fast obviously and and that that's where the game

Speaker 2 zach zach bond ran a 465

Speaker 2 now that's when he's coming out he's looking for a job guys i'm gonna get i've got my best suit on i got my best polo shirt i got my best tie and my best black shoes you think he running you think he running that time right now

Speaker 2 six years in the league

Speaker 2 exactly

Speaker 2 you know that football.

Speaker 13 Let me say something: football speed and 40-yard dash speed is completely different. You know who else ran a 4-6 and never got caught? The greatest receiver of all time.

Speaker 13 You know who else ran a 4-5

Speaker 13 and never got caught? 4-6-4-5, same thing.

Speaker 2 You

Speaker 13 know who else won a 4-5 of the combine? But hell, he was lightning quick and never got caught either.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that he wanted that, Ocho. That's just like, man, I can't let I can't.

Speaker 2 Because at four, first of all, Ocho, normally 4-6, you ain't even like, man, that's a running back.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 Ella Part didn't say bad to you. He was having, he used to work for the state.
He was a state trooper. Say, man, he was part had his car parked, Ocho.
Say, car went past him.

Speaker 2 Say he probably doing 140. Say he.

Speaker 13 He said, forget it. All he had to do is, hey, radio and call ahead.

Speaker 2 Zach Bond could have easily did that.

Speaker 2 He could have easily done that, Ocho, and nobody would have been upset.

Speaker 2 But something inside, see, that's that's the difference between winning and losing ball game. You see the effort.
Now, if I'm the Eagles, if I'm Siriani,

Speaker 2 I'm putting that on the loop.

Speaker 2 This is the effort.

Speaker 2 This is who we are.

Speaker 2 If we want to get back to where we want to be,

Speaker 2 this is the type of effort I need from everybody.

Speaker 2 No excuses allowed. Job got to get done.

Speaker 2 That was as impressive because the very next play, Ocho,

Speaker 2 they got a fumble.

Speaker 13 You know what's funny too? On that fumble, goddamn Miles Sanders coming through the hole. The first thing quarterback, I mean, quarterback.

Speaker 13 The first thing running backs do is they put both hands on the ball.

Speaker 2 He had both hands on the ball.

Speaker 13 And it still got a better there.

Speaker 2 Still got a better.

Speaker 2 Hey, sometimes, Ocho, the perfect hit.

Speaker 2 There's nothing you can do, man. And nothing you can do.

Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 2 watching A.J. Brown the last couple of years, you know, I followed him a little bit in Tennessee, but we did.
Tennessee was really not on our radar like that.

Speaker 2 But since the Eagles, he's probably happy they won, but he's seated. Got to be.

Speaker 2 You know what's going on? You know what's going on. Ocho, I don't wanna hope.
I practiced all summer long. I did all this training camp, these OTA, these mini camp for this.

Speaker 2 Hold on, what do you have? Hold on.

Speaker 2 One catch for eight yards.

Speaker 13 He had my dog out there doing cardio.

Speaker 13 Now, listen,

Speaker 13 I will say this.

Speaker 13 I will say this. Some of the plays where Jalen Hurst was going to AJ Brown.
When he condensed the spits, he was running. What do you call it? The dig, the 12-yard dig, the little short one.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I saw, you still call it it dig. I thought they had them different, different.
Uh,

Speaker 13 anyway, he was trying to go to AJ, safety came down, been on it right away. He had to come up off it.

Speaker 13 There were a few times where Jalen Hurst was going to him, but pressure got in the way, a D-lineman got in the way, and Jalen had to get up out of there.

Speaker 13 So, the times he was gonna throw on the ball, he couldn't get it to him. I will say that, but the fact is, the fact still remains, even still, one goddamn catch in the fourth quarter.
Come on, now,

Speaker 2 come on, on, now.

Speaker 2 Ocho,

Speaker 2 if a team is going to play you cover two, you got to run them out of it.

Speaker 2 Because the thing was, if you look at it, when he's at his best, when he can play pitch and catch, it's single high safety. They're working on one-on-one.
Devontae's one-on-one. AJ's one-on-one.

Speaker 2 X, Y, and Z. You look at the one he dropped in the bucket to Dotson.

Speaker 2 We got perfect coverage. They got him in quarter, playing outside leverage.
He dropped it in the bucket.

Speaker 2 They couldn't run him out. They couldn't run him out of cover two.

Speaker 13 Even if they do want to play cover two, boom. Okay, y'all want to go in cover two? Boom.
We're going to get this bits,

Speaker 13 put him in motion, do spacing, find the hole, find the zone.

Speaker 2 It's simple.

Speaker 13 If you really want to get your player the ball, there's so many things you could do with him offensively. There's so many.

Speaker 2 I want to give him the ball, Ocho, but I'm not going to junk my offense to get him the ball. I'm not going to go out.
See,

Speaker 2 that's what we got to be careful of, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Trying to get him the ball, getting outside of our offense.

Speaker 2 Because most offenses are at their best when it's flowing, when it's fluid. And I'm not trying to force you the ball.

Speaker 2 If you go look at Pickens, Pickens had three. I mean, Ferguson had five,

Speaker 2 what'd he have? CeeDee Lamb had 13 targets. George Pickens had four targets.

Speaker 2 Ferguson had six targets. So only Lamb should be pleased with the amount of targets that he got.
But he should have had four catches, or she should have had 11 for about a buck 65, maybe a buck 80.

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 13 This game, brother, CeeDee Lamb.

Speaker 2 No, I'm talking about CD Lamb.

Speaker 13 This game, CeeDee Lamb should add about 200.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 13 opening night Thursday night, based on what I saw tonight, CeeDee Lambs have left that game for one with a W,

Speaker 13 two with a 200-yard game.

Speaker 13 Easy to start the season off.

Speaker 2 Easy. Yep.

Speaker 2 I tell you what, Ocho, I sure hope the Eagles

Speaker 2 don't regret letting Slate go.

Speaker 2 Because, boy, boy,

Speaker 2 they was having their way with a Dory Jackson.

Speaker 13 You know, I wouldn't nine-year veteran.

Speaker 13 He's been playing long enough in Tennessee, in New York with the Giants. He has enough experience.
Once he gets settled in, Vic Vangios understands what he can and what he cannot do.

Speaker 13 making sure whatever you need to hide, whatever weaknesses he may have at the defensive back position,

Speaker 13 you're going to have to be able to hide that. You're going to have to be able to hide that until he gets his confidence back if he's lost it.

Speaker 13 You got to. Because if there was one weak,

Speaker 13 if there's one weak link that pops out on film, especially like tonight's game, what you think every other team is going to do?

Speaker 13 They're going to attack it every time.

Speaker 2 They're going to attack it every time. I'm going to him.
I'm going to him.

Speaker 2 No, for real, though. That's what I'm doing.
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 13 Absolutely. Hey,

Speaker 2 it's kind of like when Eli Apple, wherever Eli Apple was, the ball found him.

Speaker 2 It didn't matter where he was. He could play the slot.
He could play the right corner. He could play the left corner.
He could play the nickel. It didn't dime.
It did not matter.

Speaker 2 All I know, if he lined up on me, the ball coming to me. Whoever he lined up on, that's where the ball was finding.
The ball's going to find him.

Speaker 2 So, Adori Jackson, until he fixed that,

Speaker 2 ball going to find it.

Speaker 13 I think

Speaker 13 he's going to be okay. He's made many, many, many plays.

Speaker 13 And once he gets acclimated in that defense, Vic Bangio understands what he can and can't do with the Dory, when to have him free, what they have him with help, what they have in the man, whatever he does best, they'll figure it out.

Speaker 13 Obviously, it's only week one. But right now, when you watch film on this Eagles-Cowboys game, I'm not sure who the Eagles play next.

Speaker 13 But the first thing they'll say, oh, when you look at defense, okay, we got to find the fish.

Speaker 2 I'm looking for him, too.

Speaker 13 We got to find the fish who is the fish who is the weak link that we can

Speaker 2 and i'm and i'm baiting and guess what ocho i'm baiting i'm i got some good i got some good chum

Speaker 13 you you damn right i'm looking i'm looking for it listen i'm just happy football season is back i'm

Speaker 2 i am too ocho and the thing is if you think about it ojo uh big fan joe likes to play he likes to play nickel defense If you notice, he liked to play Cooper Desjohn in the slot.

Speaker 2 He loved to play nickel. He loved to play single hot.
He loved to play

Speaker 2 too deep because he believed I will keep everything in front of you. I got pressure now.
And we're going to talk about this in a little bit

Speaker 2 about Jalen Carter. And I don't know what the hell he was thinking.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 in this situation, I'm a little concerned.

Speaker 2 The Eagles and their inability to generate pressure.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you lost a lot too.

Speaker 2 Didn't they have a

Speaker 2 who? That's the they lost sweat?

Speaker 2 they lost corners they lost yeah they lost slay they let slay go uh corner uh one of the d linemen big d linemen got paid uh uh uh two of the d linemen got paid brandon brandon so

Speaker 2 graham retired and so the thing is ocho is that you know oh you keep saying next man up next man up no no no no no no no no no ain't no next man and you can't keep going three four men and talk about oh yeah you you got it bro bro there's a reason why you you at the back of the bus.

Speaker 2 Oh, they got the Chiefs next week, Ocho.

Speaker 2 They got the Chiefs next week. CD was officially credited with four drops.

Speaker 2 Four drops. Four, four, four, four.

Speaker 2 That ain't good. CD, you know, he's better than that.
He'll go back, look at the take. Maybe that's how he does it.
I don't know what's his thought process or how he gets ready for the next game.

Speaker 2 He'll go back because he ran great routes. He was open.

Speaker 2 He just has to make those catches. He's that.

Speaker 2 He wears 88 for a reason.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Two of the guys that's worn 88s in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That's what they expect of CD.
And those guys made those plays when opportunity presented itself.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying he's not going to have a drop.

Speaker 2 That's, I mean, hey, you're going to have a drop. Some games you go.
you catch everything. Some games you go, you know, you have a drop.

Speaker 13 Not like this.

Speaker 2 You can't have four. You can't have four.

Speaker 2 And you can't have, he had two big, I mean, back-to-back drives, Ocho.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 He's going to be right on. Matter of fact, have you ever had a game like that before?

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think, Ocho.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 not where I've had that many drops. I've had a game where I had the drop.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I haven't had a game where I had, you know, three, four, five, no, four or five drops. No, I haven't had a game like that.
But I've had.

Speaker 13 I've had a game just like that, like CD did against the Buffalo Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 13 You talk about one of the worst feelings ever for one,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 13 But when you get the two and three, and your teammates start looking at you, well, ain't you supposed to be him?

Speaker 2 You okay? You okay?

Speaker 2 Hey, you get them. You get them, Sharp.
You get them next time.

Speaker 2 Man, please.

Speaker 2 Hey, hey, OJo, that's what you said after the first drop. Here we are three or four days.

Speaker 2 It's next. It's the next day.

Speaker 13 That's why I love playing with TJ.

Speaker 13 That's why i love playing with to because those are the type of individuals even though they your teammates oh they're gonna get to you raw all that oh it's gonna be all right nah tj and and to

Speaker 2 man what is you doing we will we will let that we will let that raw we'll let that one slide

Speaker 13 i get

Speaker 2 no no i'm saying we let that first raw slide but that's all you get for this week now so when we come back when we come back on uh uh friday saturday sunday monday ain't no more

Speaker 2 ain't no more getting it to you wrong.

Speaker 13 Oh, pause, pause, pause.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We let that one slide.
That's one.

Speaker 13 My bad, I was talking too fast. I didn't even, hey, I ain't even realized I said my bad, my bad.

Speaker 2 I know you did.

Speaker 2 My bad.

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Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 2 ocho,

Speaker 2 we got to start about, talk about the start of the game. Jalen Carter was ejected for spitting on Dak Prescott.

Speaker 2 And a new video angle showed that Dak spit first at the ground in Carter's direction, smiled, and laughed.

Speaker 2 Carter then walked towards the Cowboys hurdle, leaning, the two exchanging words, and Carter spit on Dak.

Speaker 2 NFL need to suspend it.

Speaker 13 One game?

Speaker 2 One game. Yeah,

Speaker 13 that's feasible. I think it's feasible.
You can't do that, Don.

Speaker 13 I don't care. You can talk trash.
You can say what you want to say.

Speaker 13 You can say whatever you want to say. For one, you're inside their huddle.
You cross the ball inside their huddle.

Speaker 2 You know, go at it with whatever.

Speaker 13 You're already intimidating. You're already top three at your position in the NFL.
There's no more, there's nothing you can say or do that you haven't already put on film.

Speaker 13 We need to be going at it with that. We understand what the damage you were going to do in this game.
You know, to go out there and spit on somebody,

Speaker 13 that's the worst thing that you can do to anybody, huh? That's the worst thing you can do to anybody. Spitting on someone is uncalled for.
Spitting on someone is we have to fight no matter what.

Speaker 13 At a funeral, we at church, we in the street, spitting is off limits. That's something you, you just, you just, I'm surprised Dak was able to restrain himself.
I understand it.

Speaker 2 He'll quarterback. He'll quarterback.

Speaker 2 And anything that I do, you know, first of all, I swing on him. I hurt my hand.
I need this to throw the football. Don't swing on him.

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 just something. There is nobody you can find in the chat.
If you switch, if you switch. What if that was you, Onc? What you would have did?

Speaker 2 Jay Lake Carter spit on you right there in the middle of the field.

Speaker 2 I'm going to get thrown out of the game.

Speaker 13 I don't think there's any other player. And I think because Dak is a quarterback, he had to react the way he did.
It's commendable. Because you don't expect that to be.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Chad, stop. Stop.

Speaker 2 Dak did not spit on him.

Speaker 2 Y'all need to stop. Chat.
Chad. Y'all need to chat.
Stop with this. Oh,

Speaker 2 Dak spit at him. Dak spit on the ground.
Dak was in his huddle.

Speaker 2 Do y'all see where Dak was?

Speaker 2 Y'all make it seem like Dak walked up to him, spit on the ground right in front of his shoes. Did you see where Dak was?

Speaker 2 He walked towards Dak and spit on him.

Speaker 2 Chat, stop this.

Speaker 2 You can't. Y'all tried to conflate.
Well, he did this, so that's why he did that. No, it's not the same, Chad, and you know it.
He got baited.

Speaker 2 He got cost himself, and he's probably going to get suspended the game. You do these kind of antics when you're not a good enough player.
He's too good of a player. He doesn't need to do shenanigans.

Speaker 2 He don't need to do this. Ocho, He's that good.

Speaker 2 He's an all-pro. He's a Pro Bowl player.
He doesn't need to do any of that now.

Speaker 2 He can just let his play speak for itself.

Speaker 13 I knew it was going to do.

Speaker 13 Do you do understand he's top three at his position?

Speaker 2 Yes, I realize how good he could be.

Speaker 13 What is he doing? I don't understand. Like you're in the conversation with Chris Jones and Jeffrey Simmons.
Like, you were him.

Speaker 5 Yes. I don't get it.

Speaker 2 Because here's the thing. This is how I know he doesn't know how good he is because he does stuff like this.

Speaker 2 Aaron Donald, Reggie White, the great, they didn't have to do nothing like this. They say, you know what I'm going to do? I get you.
Okay, you want to wink at me, Dad? You want to spit?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I get you. You do.
That's why quarterbacks don't do much. They don't say anything.
Cause the guy they're talking to can come over there and literally break that damn neck. Every time.

Speaker 2 I don't want to piss you off. Hey, hey, that's that's look at what bra y'all would say good hit great job you hey you're heck of a player he always butted him up

Speaker 2 i'm gonna try to stay on the good side

Speaker 2 jalen you didn't have to do that bro i don't even know bro bro you wasn't raised like that you weren't raised like that man And the only thing is, you're in a structured environment like the NFL.

Speaker 2 Bro, you mess around and do something like that in the streets. And, bro, you get hurt.
Bro, don't do that. You too good of a player to do that.
Why would you spend?

Speaker 2 I'm talking about, think about it, Ocho. Do you think about it? Remember to do something like that? You done thought about that before.
You know,

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the thing that comes to your mind. You walk up to the man and spit on the man.

Speaker 13 You're not.

Speaker 2 Hey, like,

Speaker 13 have you chat?

Speaker 13 Chat, just, just, I'm, I want y'all to actually visualize this. We talk about week one.
This is the NFL.

Speaker 13 Before the game even starts,

Speaker 13 the best player on defense gets thrown out the game before it even starts for actually

Speaker 13 spitting.

Speaker 13 Not a punch, not a shove,

Speaker 13 not a not a scrum, not an altercation, spitting. One of the worst things you can do to someone

Speaker 13 when you're actually angry.

Speaker 2 And first of all, Ocho,

Speaker 2 as

Speaker 2 black man,

Speaker 2 do you know like the civil rights, that's what happened? Yeah,

Speaker 13 yeah, yeah, you get spit off.

Speaker 2 You You got the whole, got the, got the world holes turned on, you got the dogs, the sick donors, you got, got hit upside the head with the billy.

Speaker 2 You would speak, I mean, you would do that to another. First of all, you shouldn't do that to another.

Speaker 2 But you do that.

Speaker 2 You would do that. Of all the things you could do, say, you know what? I'm going to get 40 snaps.
I'll get a chance. I'll get your ass back.

Speaker 2 I'll get you back.

Speaker 2 Don't worry about that. I get you.
I'm going to get you. Just so you know, I'm going to get you.

Speaker 2 Now, if he getting and he, hey, he power drives him, I ain't got no problem.

Speaker 2 I bet you won't do that. I bet you won't spend on the ground no more.

Speaker 13 And the funny thing.

Speaker 2 Got no problem.

Speaker 2 Get him back. But don't do that, Jalen.
You too good of a player to ever do that.

Speaker 2 If they suspend him for a game, Ojo,

Speaker 2 what's the appeal? What do we appeal? You can't appeal that.

Speaker 13 You can't. Even if you do, it's going to be upheld.
You're not going to win that. I already know.
I already know what the NFL office is going to do. I already know what Roger Gatiella is going to do.

Speaker 13 I already know what those who hand down the disciplines are going to do. They're going to suspend it for one game.
Absolutely. In fact,

Speaker 13 he's going to get

Speaker 13 fined as well, along with that.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 the fight will be

Speaker 2 because he'll miss a game.

Speaker 13 Bingo. Yeah.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 Ocho.

Speaker 2 What makes this even more egregious?

Speaker 2 It's opening night, Thursday night. You the defending champs.

Speaker 2 Everybody watching this game.

Speaker 2 And that's what you do?

Speaker 13 Hey, he was finna have a hell of a game, too.

Speaker 13 I can feel it.

Speaker 13 Hey, it's okay to talk trash, too.

Speaker 2 How you think I'm mad at that? And that's what I did.

Speaker 2 Well, for 11, 20. Matter of fact,

Speaker 2 first couple of years, I ain't really do no talking. I wouldn't, I ain't no no sense of talking to you on specialty, but here you talking funny.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 13 Is I like Jalen Carter talking trash. I like Jalen Carter setting a tone for everybody else on that defense by doing what he was doing before the game started.
I just don't like the spinning part.

Speaker 2 I don't like that part.

Speaker 13 But Jalen Carter setting the tone like that, getting in Dak's face.

Speaker 13 Offensive lineman right there. Did you notice not one offensive lineman turned around and said anything? What does that tell you?

Speaker 13 Not one offensive lineman turned around and said anything and they can hear him talking trash to their quarterback

Speaker 13 tells you that tells you how they view him as a player

Speaker 2 me look i i i don't i don't know how like i said

Speaker 2 but our offensive lineman we they get you

Speaker 2 they get you

Speaker 2 But see, you can't block like we like what we could cunt block and roll block.

Speaker 13 Are you engaging people coming?

Speaker 2 No, no, well, you can't. That's a chop block.
You can't do that. That's the Jerry Ball rule.

Speaker 2 That messed up up jerry jay ball uh uh oh detroit line node guard he got high low guy posted it guy went right into his knee and blew his knee out so you can't you can't do you can't do that ocho but what we could do

Speaker 2 we cockroach you we have your heels up in the air oh we have your heels up in the air and we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna cut you and cut you huh oh we have you cockroached your heels gonna be up in there

Speaker 2 hey hey that thing hey that thing like synchronized like synchronized women you watch all of us cut we just the whole backside just fall down

Speaker 2 oh but we get i ain't never i ain't never heard that before

Speaker 2 oh we get you oh we yeah yeah and that's the thing oh all that talking i don't care nothing about all that you gotta play this game though

Speaker 2 now remember remember what you said

Speaker 13 Hey, the funny thing about it is everything he say he can back up, he just went a little too far with it now. Just a little too far.

Speaker 13 That's unacceptable. I'm not sure anybody,

Speaker 13 anybody who would be okay with what happened, even if Dak did spit towards the ground, you know how the Cowboys do.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 when you get ready to do, what do you call a little face-off they used to do in the old Westerns?

Speaker 2 Oh, you talk about,

Speaker 2 you talk about.

Speaker 13 I forgot what they call that.

Speaker 2 You talk about three paces and turnaround.

Speaker 2 A duel.

Speaker 13 The first thing they do, they spit off to the side before they draw.

Speaker 13 I mean, it was one of those down at the flow,

Speaker 13 which was the retaliation in what we saw. But

Speaker 2 I don't know. Maybe if we

Speaker 2 chat, yes, Dak spit first, but did Dak spit on Jalen Carter? That's what I need y'all to ask. Answer me this.
Did Dak spit on Jalen Carter? It doesn't matter who spit first.

Speaker 2 Did he spit on Jalen Carter?

Speaker 2 If you can answer yes to that, then we can have a further discussion. Other than that, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was wrong. It's okay to be wrong.
Look, I understand.

Speaker 2 If you're an Eagles fan, you're a Georgia Bulldog fan, you're Jalen Carter's fan, you can still be a fan of his and meant your player was wrong. It's okay.

Speaker 2 It is okay.

Speaker 2 My teammate did that. I said my teammate was wrong.
Romo?

Speaker 2 Yes. I said Romo's wrong.
I said Romo's my teammate. I said, but he's wrong in this situation.
I didn't know J.J. Stokes.

Speaker 2 I had practiced against Romo for

Speaker 2 97. So I had played with Romo 96,

Speaker 2 97. Go against each other in training camp, practice against each other.
But Romo was wrong. It's okay to say someone was wrong and try and not try to make an excuse for his behavior.

Speaker 2 Oh, he shoved him. Man, stop.

Speaker 2 Stop.

Speaker 2 It's okay, chat. It's okay to be wrong.
Your guy was wrong in this situation. And Dak baited him.

Speaker 2 That's why LeBron's like, no, I don't get into it. It's like, what type of trade-off is that?

Speaker 2 I get thrown out of the game for yelling or saying something or pushing somebody, and he gets thrown out unless it's Steph Curry, unless it's Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 I'm getting

Speaker 2 a third team of thrown out. He's the eighth guy

Speaker 2 on the team.

Speaker 2 I'm at worst I've ever been is two.

Speaker 2 Most of my 20 to 22 year career, I've been one. So if I get thrown out, unless that person is Kevin Durant, unless that person is Steph Curry, unless that person is Kobe Brad or James Harden,

Speaker 2 what what hey

Speaker 13 it's not equal hey the funny thing about it huh is even if i don't like you

Speaker 13 even if i don't like you and whether i do like you if we arguing if we're going at it

Speaker 13 i still respect you enough enough not to spit on you

Speaker 13 especially in especially in a game of that magnitude

Speaker 2 i ain't never been i ain't never been that mad on you

Speaker 13 hell i definitely don't get mad in the game i don't but i'm gonna talk my trash It's okay to talk your trash, but the whole, oh, I don't know. I don't know.
Hey, listen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I ain't for that.

Speaker 2 I ain't for that. I just know, you know,

Speaker 2 my grandparents, they, look, we've been in the South our whole life. I grew up, my grandfather grew up in the South.
My grandmother grew up in the South. His mom, his dad, all them.

Speaker 2 And so I don't know.

Speaker 2 Maybe.

Speaker 2 Southerners, maybe, oh Joe, maybe we look at it more serious, more harsh

Speaker 2 because of what transpired in the South during the time and that, you know, spitting on somebody. But

Speaker 2 I haven't, that never even crosses my, that never even crossed my mind, Ocho, to spit on somebody, you spit on the ground.

Speaker 2 So if you tell me you would rather spit on somebody than the ground, you're telling me I'm lower than the ground.

Speaker 2 You telling me at that point in time the ground's not worth spitting on. You are.

Speaker 2 It's just, oh, it's just something about that.

Speaker 2 when I hear about somebody spit on or I see somebody, it just does something to me, it makes my skin crawl, it really does, it does something to me, something just goes all over me.

Speaker 2 Man, I just, I could, because I was, oh, Joe, because when I came down, I was like, because by the time I had to get do something, it's going to seven nothing.

Speaker 2 I'm like, well, damn, where's Jalen Carter at? So I did get the ball. I said, well, damn, where's Jalen Carter?

Speaker 2 I had no, I didn't know, no.

Speaker 2 I didn't see what happened. No.
So I'm like, well, damn, where's Jalen Carter? I'm like, I see the Eagle O D. Oh, Joe, I'm looking at it, like, well, damn, where's Jalen Carter?

Speaker 2 He tied. I'm like, oh, I'm saying he tired already.

Speaker 2 And then, I mean, the thing I see, I see on like

Speaker 2 on Twitter, I was like,

Speaker 2 huh?

Speaker 5 Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 I'm like, hold on. I was like, well, where did I?

Speaker 2 So now I'm like, well, where did he do this?

Speaker 2 So, Ocho, I'm Googling. I was like,

Speaker 2 because I want to know, like, if

Speaker 2 he didn't even play in the game, he didn't even play a snap.

Speaker 13 Almost did.

Speaker 2 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 Jeez.

Speaker 2 Come on, Jalen. Jalen, you better than that, bro.
You better than that.

Speaker 2 I think for the simple fact, I think a game, he's going to get at least a game for the simple fact. It's Thursday night.
It's opening NFL week.

Speaker 2 And he did that because ocho remember they're trying to like they try to stop because boy when we were talking it was

Speaker 2 and shut up

Speaker 2 and please they don't even want you saying that now

Speaker 2 oh they threw a flag for that

Speaker 13 they threw a flag for taunting the night i'm like okay come on now

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that's oh, oh, ocho, man, do you know how many end words have been said on the football field?

Speaker 13 I mean, not trying, trying to control

Speaker 2 a flag, but I'm saying, I'm like, boy,

Speaker 13 that's that's the way 98% of them talk out there when you're competing anyway.

Speaker 2 That's just the way you talk.

Speaker 13 So now trying to control that in that structured environment when that's the way we go. I mean,

Speaker 13 that makes no sense. If that's the case, you're going to be throwing a flag every goddamn play.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the Eagles lose their best defensive player before it even takes a snap. And then he looked shocked.
He looked surprised.

Speaker 2 He looked, I'll be, oh Joe, he literally thought he could do that and still play in the game.

Speaker 2 I like that.

Speaker 2 He was talking about,

Speaker 13 huh?

Speaker 13 Come on, you can read his mouth, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, come on, man.

Speaker 2 Hopefully he was saying that to himself. Come on, man.
Because I know damn well he wasn't saying that to the officials. Talking about they overreacted.

Speaker 15 What a matchup we got, y'all.

Speaker 16 This is that classic HBCU vibe.

Speaker 14 Non-stop action.

Speaker 17 The band is rocking and the crowd lick.

Speaker 16 Chance echoing. Drum beating.

Speaker 7 Everybody showing that school pride.

Speaker 16 Game like this?

Speaker 18 Yeah, it calls for an ice-cold Coca-Cola.

Speaker 19 Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

Speaker 2 Mmm, yeah.

Speaker 7 That taste always hits the right note, just like a band at halftime.

Speaker 16 And just like that, we're back at it.

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Speaker 2 I was like, man.

Speaker 2 Jason Jason Garrett said he talked to Dak, and Dak told him that he was talking to Tyler Booker, had to spit.

Speaker 2 When he did, Jalen Carter was close by. Carter said, you spit at me.
Dak smiled and said, why would I spit at you? And then we all know what Carter did.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I'm glad they won the game.

Speaker 2 I'm glad they won the game because had they not won the game,

Speaker 13 guess what have been the reason why?

Speaker 13 Guess what?

Speaker 13 Media outlets and pundits would have led with on why they didn't win because they didn't have, you know, who, that force.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 According to next-gen stats, Jalen Hurt picked up a career high five first downs on nine scramble runs tonight, including the game-clinching third-down conversion.

Speaker 2 Ocho, he also scored both touchdowns on his scramble runs. Were you impressed by Jalen Hurts? Absolutely.

Speaker 13 He did. Jalen Hurts picked up right where he left off last year.

Speaker 13 The offense is structured to do what he does best.

Speaker 13 It's not aesthetically pleasing to those who love offensive firepower,

Speaker 13 like a San Diego LA Chargers or like a Kansas City Chief team. or like a Cincinnati Bengal team.

Speaker 13 That's not the way they do things, but the way they do things, it fits the quarterback situation that they do have.

Speaker 13 This is why the discourse on Jalen Hurts being a top-five quarterback, this is where it comes from.

Speaker 13 This is where it comes from. This is some of the things that Cam and Ryan Clark and Dan Orlofsky, some of the other guys that went on about it is where it comes from.

Speaker 2 But you said something very interesting, though, Joe. You know what you said?

Speaker 2 He's not asked to do what Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, and those other quarterbacks are asked to do.

Speaker 2 So you can't.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 if you asked joe burrow to do what jalen hurts did he wouldn't be a top five quarterback either

Speaker 2 so how about we do whatever to go to help whatever my quarterback what what is best suited for my quarterback to help our team win that's exactly he was 19 of 23 above 52 no touchdowns no turnovers we got a clean game from him we he allowed us to extend downs okay i can live with that because he allowed us to stay on the field.

Speaker 2 Now we get more chances to get a touchdown. He scrambled and got two touchdowns.
That's his game.

Speaker 2 If you're looking to Jalen Hurts to go out there and have five games where he throws for 300 yards and three touchdowns, that's not going to happen because that's not how their offense is set up.

Speaker 2 That's not how they built this team. Now, Joe Burrow might have that.
Patrick Mahomes might have that.

Speaker 2 Justin Herbert might have that, but that's not how this team is built. So to ask him to be something, to be Burrow, to be Mahomes, that's not what he's asked to do.
That's not who he is.

Speaker 2 But can he, can,

Speaker 2 if you say, well,

Speaker 2 Super Bowl, you see what the chief said, no, Saquon's not going to beat us. And then he picked him apart.

Speaker 13 Letting you know he can do both.

Speaker 2 Letting you know he can

Speaker 13 do both.

Speaker 13 It might not be a high volume of passes like the other three teams we named as examples if i have to do it i can still do it i can yeah but the likelihood of those guys getting five first downs with their legs uh

Speaker 2 right

Speaker 2 uh you ask you're asking an awful lot but then you don't play them like you play jalen hurts and you don't play jalen hurts like you play them

Speaker 2 So you have to be on your best behavior because Jalen Hurts can beat you with his legs. You know that.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I thought he was a commander of the offense. He did a great job.
He threw it away when he needed to throw it away. He didn't put the ball in harm's way.
He got two tush-push first downs.

Speaker 2 The scrambling, like I said, he went out the front side because they let him get to his dominant hand. And then the next time they let him get out to the back side and he got a scrambling touchdown.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I thought he played really well tonight. I thought he...
He had great command of the offense, a different voice that's in his ear.

Speaker 2 For the third time in what, three years, he's got a different voice, third time, maybe three, three, four years, he's got a different voice in his ear.

Speaker 2 But I told you, I think this offense is going to struggle a little bit, Ocho, for the simple fact, they got a new offensive coordinator. He's never called plays before.

Speaker 2 Kellen Moore has called plays for very good offenses. Kellen Moore is a damn good play caller.
It remains to be seen if he's a great head coach, but he can call some plays.

Speaker 13 You know what's funny is I think the play call is going to be fine because it's all if your officer coordinator doesn't have ego, if your officer coordinator doesn't have ego and understands what he can and can't call based on your skill set and understanding that I can put the ball in Jalen Hurts' hands and understanding he's not going to turn it over.

Speaker 13 He's only going to do what we ask of him and nothing extra. Now, when he needs to make something out of nothing, he can do that too.
But he's not going to be out there like Brett Favre.

Speaker 13 You know exactly what I mean.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that the problem is, Ocho, this is his his first time.

Speaker 2 And you know, what's the likelihood of a first-time offensive coordinator calling plays for the very first time in this team going to the Super Bowl? You have to have some trial and error.

Speaker 2 You have to know what to call, when to call it, down in distance, area of the field. You have to have some hardship.
You have to have some calluses.

Speaker 2 You know, Kellen Moore, it took a while before he developed the rhythm what to call because, Ocho, and you call a play, you already think, okay, this first down, I'm already called that play.

Speaker 2 I'm looking at second down, okay. Second, what is it going to be? Second and what? Second and second and 10, second and you know, five to seven, second and three to five, second and one.

Speaker 2 I'm on that play, so I ain't really watching what's going on because I got to think about the next play.

Speaker 2 And then I got to see how the game is being go, how the game is going.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 it's just hard, and that's that's my concern. And plus, you know, they lost a lot.
They lost it. That defense lost a lot of players, guys that were disruptive.

Speaker 2 That's what they missed. Guys that were disruptive.

Speaker 13 Based off what we saw tonight, not only did they lose guys that were disruptive up front, but they lost some important key factors on the back end, too.

Speaker 13 And tonight, it looked kind of shaky on one side.

Speaker 2 It did.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they get to win. That's a game.
And guess what? Friday, Saturday, Sunday off.

Speaker 13 But who played tomorrow? The Chargers and the Chiefs, huh?

Speaker 2 Chargers and the Chiefs in Brazil. Brazil.

Speaker 13 Wait, but what time of the game come on in?

Speaker 13 I think like tonight. Hold on.

Speaker 13 What's the time difference in here in Brazil?

Speaker 2 Don't start me to lie.

Speaker 13 What's the time difference between here in Brazil?

Speaker 2 It starts at 5 o'clock.

Speaker 2 It's 8 o'clock your time, but it's 5 on the West Coast. 8 o'clock my time, 5.

Speaker 13 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, that's good.
i'm dying i'm down here in cincinnati so i'm excited you know you know i'm going to um

Speaker 13 i'm dying i went i went to bangles uh bengals practice day i went to walkthrough yeah i sat down i talked with uh talked with zach for a little bit obviously saw saw t higgs saw t and chase and all them boys right i was after after that matter of fact i talked to duke tobin too i told duke he doing one hell of a job i talked i talked to duke

Speaker 13 and um i saw all the defensive line at e o little place down here on the banks um the whole defensive line, all of them, Shamar Stewart, Trey Henderson, BJ Hill, all of them was in there.

Speaker 13 I guess it was like a, you know, how sometimes you have positioning outings.

Speaker 2 Just, yeah, I like that. Hey, I like that.

Speaker 13 Oh, them

Speaker 13 boys, huge, boy.

Speaker 13 And I think I've been away from the game so long when you

Speaker 13 get up close on people, like that's that.

Speaker 13 Obviously, when we're playing, you're used to it. And I'm like, God damn, man, Shamar Stewart, wide, Trey Hendrickson, wide.
I'm like, what the hell?

Speaker 2 I feel the same.

Speaker 13 Listen, I told B.J. Hill, I said, but y'all boys enjoy it, man.
Get your drink, get your food. I got y'all.

Speaker 13 I got y'all. Man, I went to the bathroom and left to the hotel, man.
I went out the back door.

Speaker 13 I went out the back door.

Speaker 2 I'm looking at what they ordering.

Speaker 13 I'm like, whoa, whoa, what is y'all doing?

Speaker 2 Hey, hold on. That's how y'all eat?

Speaker 13 I said, you know what? I thought to myself, let me see. Shamar Stewart, you just got paid.
BJ Hill, you making good money. Trey Henderson, you just got $14 million advance or pay raise.

Speaker 13 Y'all good on the bill. Man, I went to the bathroom and went out the side door, man.

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Speaker 15 What a matchup we got, y'all.

Speaker 16 This is that classic HBCU vibe.

Speaker 14 Non-stop action.

Speaker 17 The bed is rocking and the crowd lick.

Speaker 14 Chants echo.

Speaker 16 Drumbeat.

Speaker 7 Everybody's showing that school pride.

Speaker 16 Game like this?

Speaker 18 Yeah, it calls for an ice-cold Coca-Cola.

Speaker 19 Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

Speaker 2 Mmm, yeah.

Speaker 7 That taste always hits the right note, just like a band at halftime.

Speaker 16 And just like that, we're back at it.

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Speaker 18 That's a winning combo.

Speaker 15 No matter the sport, no matter the yard, everybody knows.

Speaker 2 Fan work is thirsty work.

Speaker 7 So grab a Coca-Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

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