Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho React to CeeDee Lamb Still SICK over his Drops, Gronk called out for being hypocritical

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Dak Prescott targeted George Pickens four times against the Eagles, and he caught three of those balls for 30 yards.

But Pickens says he wasn't bothered about how often the ball came his way last Thursday. Just really staying open for them.
I'm not really worried about the touches, catches, and all that stuff.

I'm just trying to stay open for this team. I'm trying to

focus on the first win.

Oh, man. Great attitude.
I told you we had that talk. You ain't going to have no issues.
I guarantee you.

I put that on anything. After George Pickens, I had that conversation and we had that talk.

He's watching all his other colleagues at the receiver position get paid when he should be right in line and got

already gotten paid with them. And he's had to wait a little bit longer now because of some issues that he's had.
Boy, he's going to be quiet as a mouse.

He's going to do everything he's supposed to do. And he's going to.
He's going his way. He's going to be blocking.
He ain't going to be loafing.

If there's a pass route, he's going to take whatever he needs to do to open up somebody else. No selfishness.

He's going to be selfless. I guarantee you,

his numbers are going to come. His catch is going to come.
And they're going to get the ball to him.

They're going to get it to him in just one week. But you know, OJo, it's kind of hard.
I mean, look, you had that, and it was like, you know what? Maybe you just need to change the scenery.

You go to a different scenery and you behave in the same manner. Then all of a sudden, people are like, it ain't the scenery.
It's you. Yeah.
Hey, the leash is short, huh?

The leash is short because there's too many receivers coming in every single year. That thing

go and take your spot. Nope.
Don't mess. Don't don't mess your man.
How pick? Pick probably about 24. Man, go and get this brand.
Pick?

Man, go on and get... Hey, ain't no reason by the time you 30, you shouldn't have 50, 70 million dollars.

50, let's just sell the low end 50 mil.

You should have 50 mil. Especially in today's game with the kind of money you're getting paid.
Yeah.

Yes. get that money, get your money.
Pick, don't fool around. I understand.
You want your catches, but hey, guess what? Hey, all you can do is get open. Yeah, they watch the tape, yeah,

they telling that, hey, throw this ball to pick.

Just put it on tape. They'll see it.
Hey, uh, damn, um, it's been um

what happened, Austin Eckler. Uh, tours ACL

his ACL or Achilles, Achilles. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. It's Achilles.
It was, it was again, here we go.

Non-contact injury.

Damn.

Man, I feel bad.

I feel bad. You just say,

just got, that's what I'm saying. That when you play this game here, Ocho, you don't know.

You step on the field. You don't know if you're going to limp off it.
Or

am I done for a week? Am I done for a month? Am I done for the season? Or is it over for, you know?

Now you see, and people that people are in the chat, now you see why players continue to fight for their money and don't want to go on the field, don't want to practice.

And at times, it seems selfish.

But when stuff like this happens and you don't have that security blanket to fall back on because you understand how franchises and owners and teams treat you once you get hurt, they don't value you the same.

They don't. They don't.
They'll never say it publicly. They'll never say it publicly, but you just heard from an owner in jerry jones on how he felt about having to pay a player that missed games

he just told you they all think it but they will never say it out loud jerry just happens to be one that put it to the forefront on what they always think but just never say that's why i tell guys look your first contract get as much money as you can got to now if you want to but don't let them put you in the same well you don't care about winning because they're going to frame that narrative oh yeah and then you hear fans and then fans are like he don't care about winning right but if you watch, if you watch that Jerry Jones documentary, how did Fox come up with the NFC package?

Because CBS wanted a discount.

And a lot of the other owners said, because they were the first TV rights, we want to give them a discount. Jerry Jones said, absolutely not.

If somebody wants to pay full price, they're going to get,

CBS is not getting a discount. That's how Fox, Fox was just a news network.
The Fox had the Simpsons. They had a living color.
That's what Fox had.

And guess what happened?

They got the NFC package. Yeah.

They made somebody pay the market price, the going rate.

But they tell you, we can't win. We can't win if you don't take a disc.
Look here, like I say all the time. Sharon and HR, we want to hire Sharon and HR, but we need you to take a $20,000 pay cut.

Sharon ain't getting that job. At all.

Not if I got to take a $20,000 pay cut.

Nah.

Nope.

So,

CD, staying with the Cowboys thing. CD Lamb said he didn't sleep much over the weekend.
The drops against the Eagles bothered him. I'd rather nobody else but myself be in those situations.

I came up short once. We'll see the rest.

Trust me, I thought about it. I've dwelled on it.

I've done everything that you possibly could, that you possibly could imagine about this game for all those that feel like they feel worse about the game than me you're absolutely wrong

of course as you as as a receiver you already beat yourself up cd move on you good you good listen stuff like that a game like that drop like that 24 hours onk there's a 24 hour rule on something like that you have a bad game you have 24 hours to dwell on it you watch the film do what you need to do in the weekend practice and you go out the following week and you make up for it yeah you got to get back on the field ojo it's easier said than done you and i we we both been there oh yeah i cannot forget about that sunday game until i play another game and you know what they need to do uh i'm not sure who's calling the plays for the cowboys brian shotenheimer called the play the head coach shotheimer because because of the drops you want to get the ball to cd early and it doesn't have a little screen a little smoke just let him let him touch it early So he gets himself in rhythm.

And you know what happens to the body and your confidence when you touch the ball early, young.

Oh, yeah. You lock it up.
You give it to me early. You have me late.

But the whole game,

just let me touch it.

Yeah.

And so, and we've been there, not to the, I haven't dropped like,

had games where I've had like multiple drops, Ocho, you know what I'm saying, like that? But I've had a game where I've had a big drop. Yeah.
And even the next game, and it was years.

It wasn't until I got back in that situation again and I made the play

that

I finally felt that I had made up for what I had lost.

And so it took that to be in a situation that was even bigger. AFC championship game, third and six, lost momentum, backed up

to make a play. Okay,

I'm good. Now I felt like I've arrived.
All the Pro Bowls that I had gone through up and up, gone to

up until that point, all the all proteins,

it didn't ease my mind until I made a play in the moment that I was like, okay, this makes up for the can't make up for it, Ocho, but now I pushed it way down. Yeah.

So now it's not at the front of the load. It's way at the back.
There's a lot of other things good that I can think of before I get to this one thing that I let down. Because it's tough, man.

When you put the kind of time that we put in and you go through what we go through, the mental preparation, the studying,

the work on the field, the work off the field to be the absolute best that you can. And the more you put into it, I promise you, Chad, I don't know what you put into it or what you're invested in.

If it's your marriage, if you put so much time and you love that other person and it doesn't work out, you damn right it hurts to unravel what we've put together for 10, 15, 20 years.

So when you put in what someone, what I put in to be the absolute best I can do, be.

And when I don't, when I come up short, it hurt. Oh, yeah.
It hurt. And the more you invest in something, the more hurt you feel from it when it doesn't go according.
And so, uh,

I, I, I, CD, I know what you're going through, bro. I absolutely 1,000% know what you're going through.
But

if anybody can overcome it,

you hand. You can.
You can. And now, superhuman Shaq.

I keep telling them not to say that. I'm no superhuman.
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on his own in the weeks after the 40-20 loss. Yeah, I mean, I'll watch every game after, so you have to learn from it.

I mean, it sucks that you lose the game, but in order to progress and be better next time, you have to watch and learn from it.

And so I don't know the exact amount of times, but you watch it, and then you watch it in the offseason with the team, and you watch it with the coaches, and then you watch it obviously this week as well.

You do. Yeah.
Now, I can honestly say, Ocho, the game that we lost to the Jags, I've never watched it. No? No.

I mean, nothing to watch. I wasn't going to get anything from it.
All I was going to do is break up TVs.

That's all I was going to do. I was going to learn nothing from that game.
Right, right, right, right.

But I get what he's saying. I get what he's saying.

You know, sometimes, you know, that's the only game that we've lost

that I have no desire to see. Yeah.

Well, you also understand a quarterback that has had the kind of success Patrick Mahomes has had,

you know, he's a,

what's the word you call someone that's always in the film room, always, always watching film.

I'm trying to. He's a student of the game.
Yeah, okay, a student of the game, but it's something there's something else they something else they call, you know, players like that

that have early success. It's such an early point and period in their career.

God, I can't remember.

Oh, man,

it's going to come to me. But you know, he's one of those that goes back.
He beats himself up

behind closed doors and looking at the mistakes he made.

So when he gets that opportunity to play that team again, it's only week two, but still, when he gets the opportunity to play that team again, he makes sure the mistakes he made.

the first time he doesn't make them again now there's really not nothing there's nothing he can do with that defensive line he had to deal with in the super bowl right and nothing can do nothing nothing well you better hope his offensive line is better or he's gonna have the same situation again

yeah yeah absolutely if his offensive line now you know they just signed uh zadaria smith um

um jalen carter didn't get suspended the nfl said because he didn't play in the game that served as his suspension right they basically take they're going to take his game check what he made right so they'll take that from him but it's like no he was punished uh and i get it yeah i i get it uh not playing in the game was that punishment.

Had he done it in the game, they probably would have suspended him. I feel very comfortable that they would have suspended him.
But it was like, okay,

we're going to move on with this. But obviously, they had a long conversation where to say, something like this happens again, we're going to drop the hammer on you.

It's going to be more than one game. It won't be one game.
It'll be more than one game. And the Eagles, because the Eagles could have voided some of his contract.

But they're like, no, we're not going to do that. But let that be a lesson now.

Let's not have something like this because not only do you make yourself and your family look bad, you make this organization, you make Mr. Lurie look bad.
Yes. So

let's not have another situation like that. But you're right, Ocho.
If his offensive line doesn't protect him any better than what they protected him, we're going to have the same type of outcome.

It'll be a long day, young.

It absolutely will. It's going to be a long day.

Because at the end of the day, you got to have protection. I don't care who the quarterback is without protection.

He's going to be average. You make everybody look human.
Yes,

you're absolutely correct. But it's going to be a big game.

I think Fox is taking their show on the road. They're going to have

their crew,

Kurt and TB,

Stray, Howie. I think all those guys are going to be on location to tell you the magnitude of this game.
So it's early season. It's like, but

Eagles are what people believe they're going to be. People still believe no matter what, Kansas City is still

the king of the castle in the AFC.

So,

but you're getting,

I forgot, I lost my train of thought, Ocho.

It's early in the season. Yeah.

And I don't, you know, you don't want to put too much emphasis one way or another.

You don't want to make it seem like you go to 0-2.

Philly's definitely not thinking they're the king of the NFC just because they're 2-0. They know they got a lot of work to do.
Kansas City is like, okay,

0-2.

But like you said, if anybody can overcome it,

we've seen Kansas City look vulnerable before. Yeah.
And somehow find a way to...

be in Super Bowls and we didn't think and not only be there win.

How in the hell did they do that given what we saw throughout the entirety of the season? Especially beginning of the season.

That's why I say when it comes to the Chiefs, their month of their September, October, it ain't too pretty. It never has been.
And they always been the topic of conversation.

One year, it's a receiver dropping balls.

The next year, it's losing Tyreek.

It's always something,

some type of dialogue on something not going right with the Kansas City Chiefs when it doesn't even matter. But when it matters most, most,

they always, for some reason, end up going in the party. They always at the party

when it's time. Right.
Gronk gets called out for being hypocritical on Patrick Mahomes and the Chief. Gronk criticized the Chief, stating, if you punch these guys in the face, they're going to fold.

What I was surprised about when things aren't going their way, they start struggling a little bit. They start yelling at each other and

the blame game starts going on. You can see it on the sidelines.
And that's not a good situation. You want to come together when you're down.
You want things that were not going your way.

You want to see them starting to point fingers. It's not a good sign.
Many on social media are calling out Gronk for seeming to forget that Tom Brady was the exact same way.

Ocho, is Gronk out of line for calling the Chiefs out of, saying the Chiefs that Patriots didn't have the issues that the Chiefs are having?

The issues that the Chiefs are having, the Patriots have had as well. True.
They've just been able to mask it much better.

They've been able to mask it much better.

Every team has the same issues on all of them i remember when jonah gray you remember that sunday night game ocho he had like he played against the patriots he had uh uh uh 199 yards was afc player of the week he ended up fumbling and coach belichick cut it yeah you out of there

man belich play that when it come to turnovers man

and i like i don't think they was pointing fingers They were saying, CJ, in this situation, why would you go inside? It's third and 14. Why would you go inside and give up that?

now if you if you told a d limer hey hey bro check this out i'm gonna go inside you stunt all the way outside so i'm gonna replace you you replace me okay fine but you did you did that upon yourself and you left us vulnerable

so i don't have a problem that because nobody should be too big to be called out right that's all that's all tranquil was saying bro you can't do that yeah why would you go why would you go inside and cj said it hey trying to make a play my bad learn from it move on right He understands.

CJ, no. Yeah.

He knows that he should not have done that. Yeah.

If he's going to do something like that too, Unc, because at times you think about conversations, communicate yourself again when it comes to the back end as a corner in the safety.

As a corner, if you want to do something, if you want to gamble, you got to let your safety know. Hey, you need to have my back.
Have some type of signal. Have some type of something.

With Chris Jones, he needed to talk to that backer. Hey, listen, I'm going to go inside.
Wherever I leave from, I need you to get my back. Right.
But he can't because it's a passing place.

So he got cup.

He got space. You got to tell your DT because he goes inside.
Now you got to tell your DT, we got to, hey, bro,

let's run a TE. I'm going to cut you.
Hey, I'm going to replace you. You replace me.
So now

we got somebody in that alley. But if you go look at it, the moment he goes inside, Justin Herbert says, Thank you.
I'm out. I'm out the back door.

I'm out the back door. Yeah.
Yeah. You slide down.

First down.

That was the ball game. Yeah.

That's the ball game. And so, and that's, and that's the thing.

That's what you're running through.

Do I believe Chris Jones have

gone inside before and gotten a sack? Yep.

Do I believe guys have done things and gotten rewarded for it? Yep. But here's the thing, Ocho.
When you don't,

when you don't get rewarded for it,

it's like, hey, it's like

they say, I think they said the average person drives somewhere between 100 and 150 times drunk before they actually get caught once.

Let that sink into Ocho, 100 to 150 times before they get caught once. So how many times have CJ done that, got rewarded for? It's just this one time that people like, bro, why would you do that?

He's done it before. Right.

But I love the fact that he, hey, he owned it.

He said, hey,

I'll make up for it this week. I'll make up.

Got the work cut out for us because the Eagles, their offensive line, they good.

They're good. They're the best in the NFL.
They're good. They good.
You got to be on your best behavior. They don't play.

Hey, they got them two tackles that the number one rated left tackle, the number one rated right tackle. Now, Dickerson is out.

So

we'll see. Can they take advantage of that? Those guards,

Makai Beckton is not there anymore. Dickerson is out.
So we'll see if CJ could take advantage of that guard play. But those tackles,

Lane Johnson and My Lotta ain't to be messed with, man.

Absolutely. Not to be messed with.
But look. We've seen Brady call players out.
We've seen him call things out. People say the same thing about the Patriots.
If you hit them in the mouth,

they lost. Why? Because you had to get physical with them.
Very physical.

That's the rule of thumb when you're dealing with a team that has a quarterback like that. What is that? Tack Brady.

Hit Brady. The Eagles, how did they beat him? Hit Brady.
The Giants, how did they beat him? Hit Brady. Yeah.

If you want to beat Tom Brady's team, he is the head of the snake.

Chop the head off. You got to rattle him the best way you can.
Absolutely. After getting whipped coast week one, the dolphins had a players-only meeting.

Linebacker Jordan Brooks, one of Miami's six captains. Losing the way we did week one can be discouraging.
Outside noise, people talking, fans talking, family talking, whoever else is talking. Yeah.

Everybody talking. But just kind of making sure that everybody's together.

Well, when you lose like that, it's easy for people to get discouraged and start looking, questioning maybe yourself or others. So, just making sure that we're all locked back in and making sure that

the belief is still there. You lose belief, you don't have nothing.
So, making sure that everybody is still on the same page. Come back stronger.
Come back next week stronger. Ocho,

how many team meetings have you ever had?

Uh,

after week one, none.

Have y'all ever had a team? Have you ever had a team meeting?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, huh?

Remember, I only had one winning season in 11 years. Damn, I had a bunch of them.

We've had team meetings to make sure we don't splinter, you know? But obviously, after those meetings,

things still didn't go well. And when it comes to the dolphins, you could have 200 meetings.
You could come in there and do all the talking you want.

But what you have to do is on Sundays on offense and defense, you have to execute the X's and O's. That's all it comes down to.
The meeting is cool.

You know, that's cool to make sure everybody's on the, of course, everybody's on the same page. You have to be.

When you turn the goddamn film on, if you're not on the same page, you're not doing your specific job to help stay a team, it's going to show.

Correct.

You know, the meeting is cool. You know, that's to me, that's very performative.
You know, way. Let's get together.
Let's talk. All that talking don't mean nothing.

Man, put your helmet on and use your pads.

Do

you do your job? That's it. Everybody, a team game, team effort is each individual, all 11 players doing their individual job.
When all 11 are working in one accord to win on every down,

that's where the team comes from. That's where the winning concept comes from.

It ain't hard. It ain't rocket science.
It's a very simple concept.

Execute the X's and O's, no matter what's called. Win your individual battle.
If you've got to get open, get your ass open as fast as possible.

Get from point A to point B and get open for your quarterback as fast as possible. If you're supposed to hit the A gap, you hit that goddamn A gap.

Simple. Discipline.

I can launch, we had one meeting. And everybody knows the meeting that we had after the Monday night game against San Francisco with the Romanowski situation.

And we didn't always win, but we felt we had to have a team meeting. And it was more so about that.
It wasn't so much, and we had lost four straight games. We had lost four straight games.

I mean, we had ended up losing, we ended up losing the division. We got up, I think we started like 11 and 1, and then we lose three straight games.
Now

we beat Seattle last game, so we finished 12-4. We lost

on a 57-yard field goal as time expired to Kansas City. We lost to Pittsburgh.
We lost to San Francisco. and then that happened.

So

I'm not so sure, even though we lost those three games, if that incident didn't happen

with Romo and JJ, I don't think we'd have had a team meeting. I don't.
I don't.

But there were some things that

I had started to see, and everybody else had started to see that was bothering us, but nobody wanted to call a team meeting. Right.

After you guys had the meeting, did anything change?

Yeah, we locked in. We won the Super Bowl.

Hey, hold on. I got another question.
If you didn't have that meeting, I think you probably still would have won the Super Bowl. Nah, we had started a fracture.

We had started a fracture.

That ish that happened. Bothered a lot of people.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
Mainly me. Yeah.

I got you. I got you.

It was just irking me. And there was a lot of things that started to happen offensively and defensively that

we had started to let slip through the cracks. Guys started

was bulljoving when

you let things go. Right.

And you're like, okay, he'll correct it. And you let it go.
Okay, he'll correct it. And you let it go.
And all of a sudden, it starts,

well, you ain't correct him. Why are you looking at me? You ain't correct him.
Why are you looking at me?

So little things started to become big things. And that's why you take care of little things before they become big big yeah

if you if you take care of the campfire it don't become a brush fire

and that's what we had allowed to happen we had had a little campfire and because we didn't address it because we didn't put it out

we were able to get it under control locho and uh we ended up taking care and doing what we were supposed to do um but we had very strong leadership and i i just remember it's like, bro, this is it.

We're not having another meeting.

I don't give a damn if a storm come through and blow the roof out the building. We're not meeting again.
So

whatever is on your mind. Say it now.
Say it now.

Whatever.

Hey, nobody, hey, I hope you got your arm on

because it's going to get ugly. Yeah.

Yeah, you know what? That been bothering me. You've been bulljobing a long time.

You act like you don't even care. Right.
Giving up touchdowns, walking off the field,

fumbling balls. Oh, yeah.

That's the thing. See, when you have a team meeting and you say, hey, get it off your chest.
Yeah.

Everybody, fair game. Yeah.

Everything is fair game.

Hey,

those are some uncomfortable conversations. Very, very uncomfortable conversations.

Whatever.

Jordan.

Oh.

What happened? What happened? What happened?

Jordan. Ashley was trying to get Jordan's attention.
And then Jordan's talking about, what happened?

No,

it is, Ocho.

It is a very uncomfortable conversation because a lot of things that were said in the meeting, you wouldn't know. A lot of times, Ocho, we say things in a joking manner, but there's truth in jokes.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Obese.

You know what I'm saying, Ocho?

Hey, ma'am,

my sister would have caught that one.

All right, dang, bro. That's how you feel? Yeah, I see you wore your TMs today, huh?

You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? Hey, you said things in a joking, laughing manner.

But everybody can't take things, you know, like I said, Ocho.

Sometimes you can joke with people. You got to know who to joke with, who not to joke with.

Some guys, you got to ride.

You got to mofo them.

You got to really be on them. Right.
And then they get it. Right.
Some guys you got to pat on the back and say, come on now. We know you better than that now, son.
Come on.

Hey, I ain't worried about you. I know that ain't going to happen again.
Right.

all the while you said, I hope it don't happen again. I'm gonna put my foot in your ass.
You know what I'm saying? Some guys you have to talk to accordingly, but you got to know who to talk to.

You've been around these guys, you've observed them. Yeah, see how they move.
So you know who you can and can't talk to.

Somebody you talk to the wrong way, it's a fight. Yeah, they'll snap on you.

Yeah, for sure. That also goes for coaching.
I think that's what makes the best coaches: coaches that know how to coach that way and know how to

get the maximize the potential of each player by knowing who to coach hard and who not to how to navigate around which players you can coach hard and which players you need to kind of yeah ease them into it coach they used to always tell us at savannah state he say i'm gonna treat all y'all fair but i ain't gonna treat y'all the same

i like that

And,

you know, you understood. You know, look, a lot of times,

Mike was coaching through me because he would ride me harder than he would any other star player.

Okay.

And Cool is like, hey,

you know the balls don't mean anything by that. I said, Cool, I'm just going to do my job.
I just do my job, bro.

Just let me do my job.

all that other all that else other stuff as long as you ain't cursing me that mofo ass nah like i said that's the only thing i had a problem with That's the only thing.

I ain't got no problem with you coaching me. I ain't got no problem with you coaching me hard.

But when you start calling me something, Mary Porter ain't never called me, then you're not gonna have a problem. My body will pull you to the side.
Now, it happened again.

Okay, you won't have a problem. So, you said, so basically, you said you don't care what I say because I told you that's a

problem with that. I don't mind you coaching me, but you're not finna mofo me, you're not finna SOB me and all that.
You dumb, you still nah, that's not what you're gonna do.

So, I had no problem with it. And then once we, you know, because I remember when I went to Baltimore, OJO as a free agent and, you know, talked to, you know, I flew back on the plane with Mr.

Model because he happened to be down there with that 2000 situation. So I took the plane back with him, had a great conversation.

I remember Ozzie met us at the facility because we flew into the airport. The driver picked us up, took us back to the facility, and then Ozzie ended up taking me to the hotel.

He told Ozzie, he said, Ozzy,

I I already got this deal. Don't you F it up.

He's all, he said, okay, all right, I got it. I got it from here.
So I went to breakfast with

Shaq, Harris,

and Ozzie.

And so I met with Brian, I met with Brian, Billick, and he's like, you know, Ozzy had already told me, he said, we want you to be you. Be you.
We want you to be a.

We don't tell people, we don't tell guys they can't do this or they can't do that. Just be be you.
So when I went in there and talked to Brian, he's like, well, you know, hey, how you doing?

We'd love to have, love to have you. We think, you know, you're what we need.
You're the missing ingredients, you know, guy that can make plays, a veteran league, all of that. He says, you know,

coaching. I said, coach, I ain't got no problem being coached.
I said, but you can't curse me.

Can't do that. Yeah.

He says, okay.

Say, coach me. I don't got no problem you correcting me in front of the team.
I ain't got no problem with you correcting me on the field.

You're gonna lose me,

or I'm gonna lose it on you if you curse me. Right,

we ain't had no problems, yeah, never had no problem,

and so that's why I said you have to know how to talk to certain people, Ocho, because every you everybody don't isn't motivated

or coached the same way, right?

And I think

the Brady Belichick was a prime example. He wanted appreciation.

Coach Belichick felt that he had to keep him in his place by saying that Tom is no better than the special teams. Right, yeah.

And

I think a part of him, even though Tom realized that it made him better, I think he's like, Come on, Coach, can you say I did do something good? Right. Without saying everybody played well

or some X, Y, Z did good also.

But

that was my only thing, Ocho. That was my only thing.
But let me ask you this. Yeah.

The Dolphins, let's just say for the sake of our argument, after three, four weeks, this thing doesn't get turned around. Ooh.

Now, now, you, the Dolphin, you, the general manager. Yeah.
What you going to do, Ocho?

We got to make moves.

We got to make moves. We have to make moves.
We have to think about 26, 27, and 28. We got to think about the foreseeable future.
How do we transition and turn this team around?

We are officially in rebuild mode.

We're officially in rebuild mode. You know, we got to dump a few things, we got to bring a few things in.
We have to get some picks for the future. And how do we do that?

By letting some of our valuable assets go. Yep.

Getting money off the books. You got to get to get draft capital.
Yeah. You got to.
And the guy that can probably get you the most draft capital is Tyreek. Yeah.
Yeah.

Maybe Chubb,

Phillips. I'm trying to look at guys that you, that, that, uh,

you're probably not going to want to get rid of Waddle and Tyreek. Right.
No. Uh,

you got to have

somebody to throw the damn bar. Right.

I don't think you're going to get the value for the quarterback if you were to try to move him. So you might be stuck with him, Ocho.
Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think, i think you agree with me on that i think they stuck with him yeah yeah

um

a six-foot quarterback with multiple concussions that can't that's injury prone ain't a whole ain't a big market out there for a guy like that ocho and listen ain't a big market for quarterbacks at all

there's a there's a big market if you ain't got one oh yeah i mean yeah but find but i don't but that one yeah finding a feasible one yes That's the hard part. Yeah.

Everybody can't be Green Bay, huh? And now, superhuman Shaq.

I keep telling them not to say that. I'm no superhuman.
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Aaron Rodgers could surpass Brett Favre's career touchdown total on Sunday. Rogers has thrown 507 regular season touchdown passes.
Favre retired with 508.

If Rodgers throws one touchdown on Sunday against the Seahawks, he'll tie Brett Favre for the fourth most in NFL history.

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Yeah, maybe.

Can we see him? If you have a performance like today, how many more times can we get a four touchdown game from him in a 17-game season? I think it's possible. Yes.

Possible because of his arm talent, because of the play calling. They know what he can and they know what he can do.

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So there's a good chance they can do it.

And if Aaron Rodgers goes on a run

and that confidence starts seeping in, and

they get on a good roll offensively, he definitely can do it.

Yeah, but he has,

that's 649.

That's high. That's a lot.

That might be a four-year total.

I don't think he wants to play that long. Now, I could be wrong, and I may, it all depends on how this, I mean,

once you get to a certain year, a certain age and a certain total, OJo, you take it one year at a time.

um

man this this man got 649

with a missed season

remember he missed the 2008 season ojo with that injury yeah and that's crazy

wow

uh the number one the number one over uh the numbers for the number one over pick cam ward debut does look great but they failed to tell the whole story ward completion rate was affected by mistakes from a head coach plus several drops by receiving core.

The quarterback, however, hasn't lost confidence in his receiver. I'm never going to get on those guys for dropping the ball.

I'm going to throw a pick at some point in the season, so bad plays are going to happen. The biggest thing is when we get back to the huddle, we always have to have the next play mentality.

I'm not too worried about that. Those boys are going to catch the ball.
I agree. I love that.
Yeah. That's why, see, that's why

I get upset when quarterbacks try to show the receiver up. You ran the wrong route or you did this.

when you throw a pick i'm gonna be like

hey you you ain't got on that uniform yeah why are you throwing him the ball right

yeah you know can you can you can tell cam ward is polished huh very he's very he's very polished now i'm not talking about the way he plays the quarterback position it's the things he says outside of the game it's what he says to the media and already knowing you know Calvin Ridley, he's caught a lot of balls.

Calvin really's caught a lot of touchdowns. He's going to have games where he drops balls, but he's going to also have games where he makes those plays.

So I'm going to make mistakes too. Yep.
I'm going to have my faults. I'm going to have my flaws as a quarterback.
It's going to happen. So why am I going to get on him when things don't go well?

But yeah, they're going to be all right.

They're definitely going to be all right. But Cam Ward is acting like a savvy vet, like he's been playing

for four or five years.

They like guys when guys speak

beyond their years. Yes.
This is a five six seven year vet speaking he's a rookie yeah he gets it he understands

all right ocho it's time for our final segment of the evening it's time for q and a

hey you you you tell everybody we back on it

yeah

we're gonna tell them okay okay okay

now you got me i get i got my outfit laid out for tomorrow already uh

Congratulations to your brother on getting his Hall of Fame ring. Ocho, I don't know why you want to fight Andre Ward.
If so, I'll be on Nightcap with Unk. Yeah.

No, no, no, no. I'm going to be all right.
Yeah, me, listen,

I talked to Turkey. I talked to Turkey tonight.
I had a conversation with him. I talked to Dana White.
Dana White liked the idea, as you heard him say on the show. I won't say no, but I won't say yes.

So anytime you hear someone like that.

that's in a position of power to make something happen you know he understands he understands the the the the fight it can be the excitement that it would bring you know to

the sport of boxing or combat sports in general. Having one of the best from one sport, you know, transition into another one that takes it serious.
You can't play boxing.

So, therefore, I probably am going to beat the shit out of Andre Ward. I'm probably going to whoop his ass.
And that's how I feel.

Abraham Yang say, go, Pat, go. I wish my younger brother would talk about me like you talk about Sterling.

I'm sorry, bro.

I get that a lot. I get that a lot.
My mom says

a lot of people ask her to say they wish their kids was as close as my brother and I.

I mean, we grew up with each other. We were all we had.

My sister, the oldest, she did the best job she could, made sure we had what she had when she, with, you know, when she was working. We've just been close.
That's the way our grandmother raised us.

Tyron said, what's up, Unconocho? Who are your top five packers all time

oh my goodness obviously you got to go farbie rogers don houston

don hudson excuse me don hudson that'll be three richie white uh

yeah

uh and then you got to go probably

a star bart star

You got Jim Taylor, you got Ray Nitske. I mean, you got a lot of guys that,

you know, that's the Hall of Fame from

those championship teams of the 60s. Yeah.

You know, people don't remember, but James Lofton played for the Packers.

But I would definitely think you have to go Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Don Hudson.

I would go Bart Star, and I would go Reggie White. Yeah, that's a good list.
It's so many.

J-Dub Akron said, oh, who you got one-on-one? Leo at 65 or Ocho at 47

with with one eye. Glad to see Sterling get that ring.
Long overdue.

Man,

how old, Leo? Hold on. I was.

Leo was 27 when I was

18.

So nine. Yeah, so Leo be about 66.
You probably right.

I think, Lou, I think, I think,

I think Ocho will move. So I think Ocho, I think Ocho might get it.
Yeah. Hey, hey, man, you see, oh, you probably ain't see the clip.
Who that? Man, I posted on the Instagram when I saw Shakur.

Yeah. First thing he said, you feel like going to the gym and sparring?

Man, that man.

You see, matter of fact, see, you know, I always be on here talking about training boxing and had an opportunity to sit with all of them. And what's the first thing they all told you?

They see you getting that whip. You get that work.
I've been in the ring with all of them.

Now, they not turning up, but you know once they step inside the ring they don't play no games right they they they gonna work so it's at times it become over it becomes overwhelming when we get to like round four or five yeah oh my god

but yeah i've done been in there with everybody bobo patel said ocho

ocho paid that 5900 yet no Hey, I got you right now. I'm working on it.
I'm working on it, huh? Because, hey, I played blackjack. I played blackjack.

I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but the dealer help you and the people sitting next to you help you. The first night I was here, I won 500.

The second night, I came back the second night and hit him for another $700. And I'm only playing a $25

table.

I don't know.

Your name must be Jack and you plenty black. So that's the only blackjack you.
That still ain't close to my $5,900. You won $1,200.
I know, but listen, I won $1,200. That's why

I'm drinking my little energy drink right now. Oh, you'll go back downstairs and play somebody.
I'm going down there there right now for to get your money.

I ain't finna play with your money like that. Because

you might want to do something to me, and then I'm going to have to hurt you.

I don't want it to come to that, you know.

The woods said, oh, Joe, I messaged you yesterday about my jersey for my birthday on Instagram, Twin. Don't do me like that.

Don't do me like you do Unk Buddy's money. No, I got you, Tween.
I got you. I got you.
I promise you. Baby,

I got to send somebody a jersey. Remind me to check my Instagram for it, please.
All right, bet. See, Twin, I got you.
I got you. I'm on top of that.

Moneymaker G say, Unk. Y'all can ask him, pay Unk, Ocho.
Shirts tonight cap shop so we can help you get your 5900 back.

Bang, bang, say Shadua go to Miami. We'll take it.
He can't go nowhere. Cleveland got his rights.

Kim Valentino, Cowboys beat Queen Bay week four.

Well, he ain't gonna have a whole lot of time to throw the ball at all. At all.

Renzi Philm said, Would you rather start Ricky Pearsall or Q Johnson this week for fantasy? Saints gave up 163 passing yards. Raiders gave up 276.
And now Brock Bowers is out.

Man, but look at Pierce. Oh, Mac Jones.
Okay. But hey, listen, if Mac Jones is playing right, huh? Yeah.
You know what they're going to do with Ricky. They're going to feed him.

You got to feed him. You got to.

You're going to be without you, without, possibly without Jennings. You without

you and Kittle? Yeah. They're going to feed him.
You got to put him in position to feed him. You got to.

I'm starting Quentin Johnson. A Brisbane

between the Chiefs, Ravens, and Lions.

Who is the most trouble with an 0-2 start?

Shoot,

honestly, even all three teams he just named, even with an 0-2 start, ain't none of them in trouble.

Nah.

Yeah,

they can dig out of it. I think we're thinking, look.

Lions,

if Lions go 0-2, they have one division loss. Everybody already has, so everybody would have lost one game within the division.
The Chiefs would have lost one game to the

Chargers. The Lions would have lost one game

to the Bears. And the Ravens would have lost one game to the Browns.

I don't think, I agree with Ocho. I don't think any of them would be in big trouble.
Bang, go ahead, guys. Can you tell us who were a couple of guys that were tough matchups for you and why?

I mean, Alvin Lewis was the toughest matchup for me. You? Alvin Lewis? Well,

for me,

probably Revis easily.

Yeah, that

2009 season against Revis, it was very difficult. Obviously, that front four was phenomenal, but even without that front four, what Reeves was able to do,

nice, nice.

If I see him today, First thing I always say, hey, man, we need to line it up. I need my get back.

I need my get back i don't know what where we're gonna do it at we could do one-on-one just we just need to line up

that concludes this episode of nightcap

um guys thank you guys for joining us we really really appreciate that thank you guys that were in the chat with us earlier today as we talked to some uh the andre wards talked to roy jones jr antonio tarver uh dana white uh kayla plant Fernando Vargas Jr.

and Sr. Jim Gray.

Thank all those guys for stopping by, spending a couple of minutes with us on a nightcap, daycap. So we greatly, greatly appreciate that.

Tomorrow, we're going tomorrow, we're going to be live from 10 to 12 East Coast time, which means from 1 to 3

10 to 12. 10 to 12 West Coast time, huh?

Yes.

No, but I'm saying, no, that's one to three East Coast time.

Yes. 10 to 12

Pacific time, which is one to three East Coast time. So Triple H, the Undertaker, and the 520.
Yes. So we're going to have Triple H, Undertaker, and Club 520 on tomorrow.

That's those are confirmed, guests.

Those are confirmed. Obviously, other people will be circling around because today Roy Jones wasn't supposed to be on.
Fernando Vargas Jr. seasonal wasn't supposed to be on.

Antonio Tarber wasn't supposed to be on. Caleb Plant.
So we just, hey, we see guys and A,

come on over here.

A lot of those guys that I know, I've

been talking to Tarv, been texting him, DM and him, and what you call him, had Roy Jones on club, had on club Shay Shea early.

He was one of the early guests. So that's what we have lined up tomorrow.
We were scheduled to go from, what was it, from

three to five, right?

Scheduled to go three to five, but now we're going early in the morning. So we're going to go 10 to 12 Pacific time, which is 1 to 3 East Coast time.
Thank you guys for joining us for nightcap.

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