Nightcap Hour 2: Devin White EXPLAINS LEAVING Tampa + Caleb Williams doesn’t meet LEGEND Aikman + Unc BLASTS Pat Bev for BLAMING Russ Struggles on Lakers

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Now it's time to welcome a former Pro Bowler,

defensive rookie of the year.

I think he won that award.

And he is a Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl.

Devin White, Las Vegas Raiders.

Deb, what's going on, man?

Deb, you can't hear us.

He's muted right now.

What's good?

What's good?

Can you hear me?

Yeah, that's what's up.

Hey,

hey, man, thanks for coming on with us.

Oh, for sure, man.

Pleasure, man.

Appreciate you.

Hey, what's up?

What's up, baby?

What's good?

Man, just cooling, man.

Just cooling.

Hey, let me tell you something.

I don't mean to be thinking ahead, but I would just talk with Unc, right?

And there's a certain play.

I love what y'all have on offense, right?

But I mean no disrespect to them boys.

We would just talk about next year, right?

What you think about George Pickens over there in Las Vegas?

Tell me that doesn't fit.

Hey, you see, listen, stay with me.

Stay with me real quick.

You see how Mac Crosby, being a Raider, it just fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents.

What you think about what you think about George Pickens over there?

He definitely got that charisma.

See, I told you,

I know what I'm talking about, man.

Okay, all right, we can get back.

We can get back to business.

That's it.

Dev, you got to help me understand this.

With all the early success that you had at Tampa, Pro Bowls, all-pros, rookie of the year,

win the Super Bowl.

I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derry Brooks, you fit the Ronde Barber, you fit the John Lynch, you fit the Warren Saps, a physical football player, Tampa known for defense.

They're physical.

Leroy Selma, rest his soul, physical defensive player.

Why, and then, and then I know you heard, if you didn't hear it, somebody sent you what Jason Light said.

Had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even, I wouldn't have taken it.

What went wrong how why and how weren't you able to finish your career in Tampa

um

I think um

personally I think they just weren't ready to you know give up that bad you know obviously obviously they knew it was time after my fourth year you know everybody knew the numbers I put up the accolades I had right and I wasn't trying to be selfish but I would just I wanted what was due You know, I felt like I did everything right there from on the field to off the field in the community, being a team captain every every year and when i asked to get me you know i got looked at crazy you know and i just and i don't know why you know nowadays players getting paid after three years they're going to first round and i had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what when i already had you know even with levante david dog on the team i led the team and i led the team in tackles you know i got turnovers and you know made big plays and then obviously like you said for him to come out and say what he said man we hosted a super bowl trophy together so none of that matters you know what he knows he'll do it again because I helped him.

You know, obviously, you know, on that run that we made, you know, I feel like I was a key part of that.

You know, no cock.

If you look at the numbers and the stats, like, oh, I missed the playoff game and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player.

And I missed one game.

I missed the Washington game.

Go look it up.

And on the next three games, I was double-digit tackles every game and, you know, getting it in for real.

Yeah.

And you know what, you know, too, and LD, this is one of the things I don't like about it, don't like about the business side of things.

Even with the numbers, even when you do things right, not only on and off the field,

when it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid, they always look at you funny.

They look at everybody funny, even those that have the numbers, even those that have the stats.

And it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time, every year.

It's the same thing.

You always have to fight tooth and nail for your value.

You always got to fight tooth and nail for what you're worth, despite putting up the numbers.

They're going to find something.

They're going gonna put something in your contract they're gonna they're gonna they go they're gonna talk to your agent crazy and just just it just i i don't i don't know i just i i hate that side of the business but listen i'm glad you got what you deserve and you doing your thing

how disappointed were you because like you said you hoisted a lombardi trophy in your building together you you the ups and the downs and you you know you had some setbacks and you like you accomplished all these things and i'm sure because when we had you on on my own show, you talked about, hey, I'm going to be a liar, you know, like Sam, and I see Brooks and then when they come around and I see their names up in the stadium, that's what I want for, that's what I want for D-White.

Yeah, I think

I was very disappointed.

Just, you know, like I said, I'm always piggyback off Levante.

You know, he do everything right.

That's my big brother, like, to this day.

And I thought I was coming in to like take over the role and be the next great one after him.

Obviously, he still ain't slowing down.

He's still going.

And, bro, we both made all protein together we was always in the top 100 together and led the team in tacklers together and i just thought i was going to just be his successor but you know at the end of the day i was very disappointed man because that's somewhere i wanted to be but that also made made my hurt hurt a lot worse because i had already started counting my eggs that didn't hatch yet in tampa and i was and i was dialed in like i got i still got a place there and i was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home that's gonna be my home.

Yeah.

And when that don't happen like that, man, that hurt.

That hurt a lot.

But I mean, it is what it is.

When you found out Tom Brady, because all of a sudden it started to be speculation, Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

You like, hold on.

Tom Brady that was in New England, Tom Brady?

You're talking about the guy that's just won six Super Bowls and been to nine, that's been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades.

He might be coming to Tampa?

Hold up, man.

Stop playing.

Y'all, for real, Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa.

Because if you look at it, you guys had an outstanding season.

Jameis turned the ball.

Jameis had through for 5,000 yards, but it's hard for a defense to overcome 30-plus turnovers from one player.

And I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man, if, man,

Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense,

boy,

it's going to be tough for somebody to beat us.

Yeah, I mean, we knew getting him that we could be really good, you know, just him just being in complete control of the offense, you know, the turnovers did help.

You know, James did a lot of great things, salute to him, you know,

but we was the number one run defense team in the NFL my rookie year.

You know, we was kind of hit or miss in the pass.

You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch.

So we just knew we was just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it.

And it obviously, you know, him coming there.

bruns a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion.

You know, that's another thing.

When you get a person like him in the building, your play level just go up times 20.

Got you.

You know what I'm saying?

Because you want to meet his standard.

You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know, being on the team, being in the building.

And, you know, you just kind of want to be all in.

Then obviously we had got some key guys.

You know, we got his tight end.

You know, we had got a great receiver out of Florida, you know, that ended up helping.

You know, we had a couple of D-linemen come in to really kind of put our defense, solidify our defense.

And we was rocking out.

You know, we had a lot of young guys on defense too, but you know, that's part of it.

You know, people just getting thrown in the fine just and accepting a role and going to go get it.

What were your practices like?

Were they challenging?

Because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y'all?

You guys, because it seemed like you got Tom Brady, you have those, you got Godwin, you got Mike Evans, AB, you got Gronk.

You know, hey, you don't want to get blitz.

Hey, y'all ain't finna do that, what y'all been doing to them.

Y'all ain't finna do that to us.

And then, like, well, what y'all did to that team?

Y'all not finna do that to us.

And so y'all just going back and forth.

And so you're raising each other's level.

I think the best part about it was it was two things I say.

The secondary wanted to get a pick off Brady.

Like,

we knew you couldn't pick him in the game, so you wanted to try to get it in and practice.

And then I think for just an overall defense, we had to be able to disguise harder than ever because he had seen so many looks in his life.

So that would have made our defense even better.

We was able to disguise and play different coverages from different, you know, different looks.

And I think that helped us

on the back end of the season because we just had got so much better.

We was grooming ourselves to perfection with our disguises because you got to trick him some way because he done

and i think and i think that helped like even i remember in the um in the playoff in the um the go-to-the championship we was playing aaron rods we was playing trap coverage where the linebackers running out on cover and holding the number two receivers i'm running with one te on out routes and stuff and we sending you know boundary pressures and you know you can't pick it up because you don't know who dropping you don't know who going right and that's one thing i credit to type bowls is he never stayed the same weekend week out he always add to that playbook adding to that playbook

you're in you go to philly philly doesn't work out i was like man you know he'd be good in philly i mean why big why i could have been both okay well tell us why now i don't know though truthfully you know i i feel like i uh i feel like i went there with a fresh mind you know i was around a bunch of guys that i you know that was in my high school class that i already knew and i went there to you know just go you know just go get it back on track you know coming off that foot injury my fifth year went to all the otas that was new for me you know being in tampa with an older team we didn't really do many otas you know my second year was covered third year fourth year we had you know tom brady he didn't he wasn't you know he did his own thing so we did our own thing on defense so i was pretty much locked in you know i started every game i mean started every practice of um camp OTAs.

I was there.

And, you know, after the second game, I mean, second preseason game, you know, they called me up, you know, Coach Vic, you know, he said, we're going to go with Nicole.

And hey, hey, y'all do what y'all got to do.

You know, I said, I asked him what did I do to, you know, keep this job that I done had all spring.

He said, it's just the decision we're going with.

And I respected it.

You know, hats off to Zach and Nakobe, still my guys.

I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had.

You know, they was playing New Orleans.

I was familiar with them.

And I was just being a pro about the situation.

That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation.

It just wasn't the fit.

You know, I wasn't who they wanted.

And respectfully, you know, we moved on.

And it is what it is.

You know, I don't dwell on it.

You know, I still got incentive off that Super Bowl run.

So God is good.

God is good.

You know, I was on the

four weeks.

You know, right.

Yeah.

It's been a rough start for you and for the team in Vegas.

You got Jamal Adams, who moved from safety.

He was a safety.

Now he's a linebacker.

Defensive, you got Max Crosby.

Everybody knows what Max brings to the table.

So tell me, what's the transition been like for you

from Tampa to Philly?

Now you're here in Raiders.

And you know the Raiders.

You know, Al, I know they got a lot of slogans.

His famous thing is the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard.

I think the biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to.

You know, I always been assimilated pressure type of guy from Dave Arendt in college to Ty Bowes in the NFL and just coming to this new scheme and just kind of, you know, being a little more zony.

you know uh it's been different for me and um you know i started off playing mike you know mike and will i was rotating the first couple weeks because we we was trying to get different guys on the field you know we had jermaine pratt uh i rob jamal and myself so i was the guy that was going from mike uh mike and sub and i was playing will in base and then i was a dime linebacker so right they uh stuff ended up then working out with my guy pratt you know he went um to the coach with his old defensive coordinator from since he and now i'm back at wheel And that's why I roam.

And my first game at straight wheel this past week.

I was able to go get it, you know.

So that's a good thing, you know.

Hey, stuff happened how it happened, but, you know, you just always find the good in it.

But at the end of the day, man, I think

we can hit a stride.

You know, we're starting to find out our identity, you know, who we are.

Because you got Coach Pete and you got Coach PG.

They clashing together, two good.

defensive-minded guys, you know, trying to find their identity.

And I think that's what's going on.

So I'm excited.

The thing that I was always impressed with you,

Dev, is that your ability to close, the suddenness.

I mean, when you like, when they bring you on pressure, I mean, you arrive in a hurry and you're arriving with bad intentions.

I mean, when you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player.

So what is your mindset when it's like you said, they sent you on a blitz and you're like,

I'm a pressure, Mike, I'm a pressure, Will.

I'm a pressure, Mike, backer.

Yeah.

Because Todd blitzed you a lot.

Because he knows he's going to get you on the line on a running back.

I'm going to win his ass over.

I'm going to win.

I'm going to win.

Now, I think that's the thing.

You know, just growing up, when I'm from a small town, I never played for a coach.

who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with

all my coaches there.

They all played the game.

That was the first time.

So I was able to just add more tools to my bag.

And I think that was one of the things.

They was like, bro, you got speed and you just got an ability, a knack for the ball.

You know how to go get it.

And man, I took pride on it.

I was like, well, look, I'm going to focus on this because turnovers win games.

You know, so obviously with him blixing me, it's like, hey, go get the ball.

Don't just go get a sack.

Go get the ball.

And then obviously when I'm in coverage, you know, that's, that's the main thing too.

But, you know, just as far as just being a guy who can go get sacks, you know, I think I've done that well since my, you know, since I entered the league, entered the NFL.

I think I got the most off-ball sacks as a linebacker with like 24 25.

so and that's missing a year of ball last year so man look hey i just hey i can go get it and i take pride in it you know when i went to go uh sack cam ward i was thinking ball the whole time it's like you know you you get a sack but a sack former better way better exactly

is you're not it's just not good enough to get the quarterback down let me see if i can get this ball while i'm at it

Hey,

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The difference, obviously, living in Tampa, you know, for a while, as opposed to being in Vegas.

You like Vegas better

um nah i ain't gonna say i like vegas the dryness but i think tampa you know i'm a country boy so you know just being in tampa it was a city feel but it but it wasn't too big you know the life wasn't too big it was still felt homey to me and obviously being there five six years i can drive around tampa with no gps you know just being there so long yeah so i think i think that that's still having settled in you know and and uh just being out here i'm still new still learning but i mean it's nice out here what if i told you there was yet another tool where you could get surface-level data insights in static, uninformative dashboards?

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The biggest thing from both cities, no state income tax.

That's a blessing right there.

Yeah,

yeah.

See?

Your monthly, your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else.

Right.

So now get your extra horse because we know you love horses.

I love horses, but you can't bring them out here, but the weather out here is dry.

It's too hot.

It's too hot.

It's too hot for you.

Yeah.

You got, if I'm not mistaken, I think you got American saddle horses.

American standard bread.

Standard bread.

Okay, standard bread.

So you got working horses.

Yeah, obviously, you can race them on the track.

You could do a lot of pleasure riding with them.

I do both, and I tapped into this Amish world.

I'm with the Amish community.

They do a lot of buggy horses with these standard breads.

So they're not just one-dimensional.

Yeah, you got to know people.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

Buggy.

what the hell you

hey wherever it's good at that's what i'm trying to be you know that the um people they don't go buy richard millers and phones and all that they they spend their they spend their green on horses so i'm trying to be a part of that culture too okay but they eat man horses eat you out of house and home yeah sweet feed hey Yeah, check them out.

Sweet feed.

No, but the Ambish community, you know, they take pride on horses.

Horses are their cars.

So, you know, instead of them going to buy their wife a new Porsche, they go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church and to the stores and, you know, whatever function they have and to the family houses.

So I done got in real big with a bunch of umish communities and I'm making my mark over there.

So that's

where's the armistice community at?

They got an armistice community in Louisiana or Tamil.

No, no, no.

I'm in Illinois.

Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio.

Yeah, states like that.

They up there.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I ain't know you ride horses, boy.

Oh, yeah, I'm like that, I'm like that.

I rode a horse across uh Raymond James after we won the Super Bowl, real, okay, yeah, for sure.

I'd be, I be riding, I be riding too.

Now, nah, nah, you're going to Mexico and ride when you just you Cadillac.

I'm doing no, no, no, no, I ride for real.

Okay, we're gonna tap in.

I'm gonna ride for real.

Let me know.

We're going, we're going 30 miles per hour, not even moving in the seat.

That's the type of riding we're doing.

That ain't what I, but well, you might want to Google me, man.

I ride, hey, I ride horses, I ride PBR bulls, I ride for real

yeah he do a little something he'd do a little something dev dev but you got to tell the backdrop of the story of the horses and how you got in the store horses because you you were dealing with something you went through something in your life and horses helped you helped you deal with that yeah for sure just being in a small town where i come from you know growing up man it ain't really much to do around there a lot of people that's what a lot of people do you know but uh growing up i ended up losing my brother at a young age I want to say I was like eight or nine years old, and that's just what I used to cope with.

You know, you could be at the barn, you know, you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff, man.

So I think that horses has always been a good coping factor for me.

And then now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy, you know, my son enjoy.

And, man, we kind of make a hobby out of it.

You know, we go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi.

I guess on the south, the south end of the world.

And we go

and we have fun, man.

We do it for pleasure.

But at the end of the day, man, we out there enjoying ourselves.

So horses have been a big part of my life and probably going to continue to do it.

And more guys in the league

starting to get to them.

I got Ed Oliver do it.

Xavier Legette, he owned it.

Zamir White that played with the Raiders, he owned it.

And, you know, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids.

But also, he done got into these horses too.

He down there in Miami, but he from Houston.

But he got all his horses in Miami.

And I sold him some horses.

So that just lets you know, like, hey, it's getting real around.

Hey, hey, wait, what?

Hey,

what's the number on them horses?

What we talking about?

Just depend, man.

We'll get you something.

Depending.

About 20 grand, you know, a little something.

Slight.

Okay, okay.

That's just what I'm saying.

Yeah, but go ahead and tell them the other part about how much them mofos eat.

Yeah, no, they eat a lot, though.

In Miami, you know, y'all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed.

Right.

Y'all got to get it shipped in, you know, like we do in the south.

We grow it.

You know what I'm saying?

So it'll be a little more expensive, but it's worth it, though.

You know, you when you got something that brings you peace money don't matter yeah you're right about that my my daughter man i don't i don't know where it came from obviously you was you you in the city the fact that she loves horses so much hey but we got to show you about these standard breads though bro it's way smoother you know you can you can ride at a higher speed right you know you can break it down and slow i'm gonna send you some videos you're gonna be very okay you're gonna be very pleased with the work you know a lot of people don't know about standard breads because it's a they they do a lot you can do jumping with them but you also can teach them what we do is single foot you know speed speed ragging single foot i'm gonna teach you about that yeah yeah okay yeah yeah i'm gonna put you on you know i'm like a new client see what i'm saying you uh you got a um so how many horses do you own now about 60 something

60 but i'm in the business though i'm in the business i'm running the business okay okay oh so you breed sell and all that other stuff oh yeah i'm just collecting i'm doing it for real i got a whole get live stables llc we doing it for real so you have uh do you have any pulling horses, shires, anything like that?

Nah, we just got straight.

Like I said, the buggy horses with the Amish World.

I got the pleasure horses that I do.

And then obviously we got the race horses on the track that's pulling the buggy, but they racing.

They racing on the.

Oh, you got them all like Yokis.

Yoke.

Yoke is he got the same horse, standard bread.

Yeah, yeah.

Hey, Matt.

Hey, you know what?

That gave me a good idea.

Since you got horses, Christmas coming up.

My daughter loves horses.

So you know what I'm going to do.

We're going to put it in the game.

We're going to talk on the back line.

We call it the back line.

We're going to put all the business on Front Street.

Holla at your boy.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Are you going to get the Fairbrands, maybe get to the Derby or something?

Man, when Max won one, I told Max, let me get this next contract.

We can do something.

We can do something.

I mean, to get some good bloodline, they go, you know, hey, you got to come out.

You got to come out a million or two.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, man, he's making $35 a year.

he got it i'm gonna just i'm gonna just make i'm gonna oversee everything you know i'm gonna be his business partner make sure he don't get screwed nowhere we'll be at the derby in about two or three years check us out have you ever been to the derby nah i never been i just told him man if i go i want to host it one year they let von miller host it and he do chickens he don't do horses so i felt disrespected because i'm a real horse that should have been your car yeah that should have been me so whenever they let me host it i'll be there because i can talk about them you know i can give you a live update on what they doing i actually did it when when I first came out at the New Orleans track.

And I think I did a good job, man.

I put the suit on and everything.

So I'm ready to take that next step.

So if y'all see this, invite me to the Derby.

And I got y'all.

It's going to be a great experience because I actually know horses and I'm an athlete myself.

So let's talk about your college, LSU.

You think you guys got a chance to make the college football playoff?

Can y'all win the SEC?

Yeah, I think we do, man.

We got a real good defense, man.

We get our quarterback healthy.

You know, obviously, he was one of the best quarterbacks going into this thing, but kind of balanced some injuries.

But I think he's going to shake back and, you know, he going to get us back on track.

But as long as our defense keeps getting turnovers and holding people out, I think we're going to be pretty good, man.

Well, Debbie, man, congratulations on your journey, man.

Look, things don't always look.

God don't make no mistakes.

You went through what you went through.

You're stronger for it.

I'm happy for you.

Continue success.

Stay healthy.

Yeah, for sure.

And you know, when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing, you know what's on the other side.

Man, I'm trying to get one of them, them gold things, man.

That's all that's important to me, man.

Hey, that's all that's important to me.

That's what we play this game for, man.

All the other stuff is going to come.

We already have been blessed tremendously.

You know what I'm saying?

Just going to keep having fun and making sure we're doing things the right way, man.

So I appreciate y'all for having me, man.

Yeah.

Definitely.

You don't have any other animal.

You don't have anything else?

Chicken, pigs, just

man.

No, I just do horses.

Man, I got dogs, but man they just what kind of dogs you got i got blue hillers i got blue hillers oh that's an australian cattle dog they run i know what he is i know what he is so and i just got them for company bro i don't even work them i just got them just to have company on the farm because i got like 80 acres back in louisiana and this offseason i plan on buying like a hundred another hundred that's not too far and man that's what i do man i like being where it's peaceful at and i still got my land in florida too i go out there and train and i got a born out there in odelsa uh on the backside of Tampa.

And I go out there and train, take horses, and enjoy myself out there in the summertime as well.

So, even though they got rid of me in Tampa, I still got my forever.

You still got roots there.

You still got

my roots there.

All right, man.

Congratulations on all your success.

Stay healthy, man, and come back and talk to us again, Dev.

I appreciate you, man.

Appreciate you.

Devin White, linebacker for the Las Vegas Raiders.

I misspoke earlier.

What's the dude's name?

Nick Bosa was defensive rookie of the year, the year they came out.

Okay.

But he was off to an unbelievable start, OJo.

He was, he was, he's still, and

he's starting to look back.

And as I'm watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember when he first got to Tampa.

Sudden, impactful.

You know, dropping into coverage and blessing the linebacker.

He's getting back to that Devin White.

And

I'm glad to see him him find a home.

Being,

I think, Grantham is the DC and Pete Carroll, both defensive guys, understand how to use linebackers and coverage and to disguise things.

So

damn, congratulations.

The funny thing about it.

Oh, Joe.

Caleb Williams says he and Troy Aikman didn't have their usual production meeting before Monday night game.

Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Did you meet with Troy last week leading up to the game?

I did not.

I did not.

I didn't get to meet with him.

Tried to meet with him

and then

reached out and tried to meet and

that didn't happen.

And so

moved on from it, went and played the game and came out three and two.

Why did you not meet me?

I was here late and timings didn't meet up lifting or whatever the case may have been and then tried to call him after the game and or not after the game after after the day that day that you know I was supposed to meet with him and it

didn't get through.

Oh, Joe, the intervet picked up on this, especially.

I don't listen to the sound, so maybe you heard that Troy was very tough on Caleb Williams.

Yeah.

Is this something or is this nothing?

No, I think it's nothing.

I think it's nothing.

Just the fact that he wasn't available and didn't make it to the time when they were scheduled to meet.

because of prior obligations.

I'm assuming that Caleb Williams might have had with the team.

I'm sure, like he did just say he was lifting.

So whatever he was doing, he had

prior obligations.

But I'm assuming they had a time they were supposed to meet and it just didn't happen.

And due to that, I'm sure Troy was

a little bit more heavy on him game time

because of his absence.

Yeah, look.

I don't think it's going to be no issue before, but

it's very rare that the quarterback does not do production meeting.

It's rare, almost unheard of, because that is the one guy.

Because guess what?

They might, look, they might talk to Miles Garrett, and they're going to talk to this, and they're going to talk to that, but you got to talk to the quarterback.

Everybody always talks to the quarterback, no matter how good, bad, or indifferent he is.

They grab the quarterback.

And the quarterback normally make themselves available.

Now,

is it something moving forward?

No.

But was it something, is it a situation that made like, you know what, you want to be and this is what you have to guard against ocho this is why i said i don't want to call games because if you're not if you're not careful guess what they won't send the player to do production meetings with you right

you see

doing do what i do

i'm not really you know hey i don't really need you to do my job right it's kind of hard if you hard on guys and guys don't show up you just imagine okay you go to kansas city and you can't get patrick mahomes you can't get a chris jones you can't get Travis Kelsey.

Right.

Okay, you go to the Cowboys and you can't get CD and you can't get Dak.

Okay.

Now what?

Yeah, that's tough.

That's tough.

It makes you.

Do I think it's going to be something?

Do I think, look, they'll kind of send a message.

Okay, bro, you're a little harsh now.

But look.

I like Caleb.

I think Ben Johnson is going to do great for him.

He's got, even from the first game to now, you can see him getting better and better.

Absolutely.

If you're watching and you understand, you know the game, if you can't see that Caleb Williams is getting better and better,

I don't know what to tell you.

Listen, I told you.

I told you.

I told you.

And the fact that they played in a monsoon

in conditions that you don't really want to play in,

and you still look the way you look.

Still happen to come back and win the game.

Yep.

Keep stacking them

keep stacking them keep stacking them um like i said i i didn't i don't i don't listen to the sound so i don't know what troy said i don't know

because i i i don't need to listen to the sound because i don't want what someone else said to creep into my thoughts and then i regurgitate what somebody said and all you do is listen no you hear me say something That's my thoughts.

Now, somewhere, I'm not saying that only

that everything that I say is unique and nobody else might not have said or referenced what I'm saying.

That's not what I'm saying, but I'm saying

I don't want someone else's thoughts to creep into my head or you.

I want to have my own individual thoughts.

And I think the best way for me to do that is not listen to the sound.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

But look, I think Caleb Williams is playing very well.

I think Troy.

Look, Troy is very candid now.

He one of those guys, he played the position.

He played at a high level.

He won Super Bowls.

He's a Super Bowl MVP.

He's got a gold jacket.

So he, I mean, Troy is one of those guys.

I mean, you know, he'll glaze a little bit, but for the most part, he's going to give you his

honest take.

He's going to tell it like it is.

Yes.

He's going to tell it like it is.

Oh, Choe.

Pat Bev goes off and blames the Lakers for Russell Westbrook being jobless.

Now, he does have a job now.

He had just signed, I think, today with the Sacramento Kings.

Here's Pat Bev talking about how crazy it is Russ not having a job.

It's fed up what happened to Russ, bro.

On God, it's fed up what happened to Russ.

And Russ got a bad take because of that Lakers team.

That's the truth, bro.

That's the truth.

You talked to T.

Lou.

T.

Lou did an interview with my motherfucker.

I love Russ.

Ever since Russ left the Lakers, bro, he's been on the minimum, bro.

We've never seen this ever.

We've never seen a player who's been the MVP.

who's impacted the game, who they call him names and tell me he can't shoot.

Go to the playoffs, shoot 40% with the Clippers the very next year, right?

Take a less demeaning role with the Lakers, take a less demeaning role with the Clippers.

He's been a six-man ever since he's left the Lakers.

He's a starting point guard in the NBA.

He's arguably one of the top three point guards to ever play the game.

You tell me this man can't get on the team all because he's passionate, all because he stretches with the team every single practice.

All because if it's a team out and he's there all the time.

All because if you talk to anyone around the the league, Russ is the best teammate I ever have.

I talked to Paul George, AP, you go, hey, Pat, you go love Russ.

Austin Rees, Russell Russ,

one of the best teammates I ever had.

What the are we talking about?

Why isn't this man on the team?

Hey, but that's tough there, huh?

Especially when it comes to back, when it comes to basketball stuff, especially situations like that, regardless of your accolades, regardless of your resume, regardless of what you have done, you have to, how Pat Bear feels about Russ and how his other teammates feel about him you need the owners you need the ones who write the checks to feel that way the right guys running the team you need that's that's who you need to feel that way and most of the time they never do huh they never do when they feel they can get some type of production from someone else

give someone else a chance I mean that that's the nature of the business it happens in football it happens in baseball it happens in basketball it happens in all sports to some of the better players regardless of resume, regardless of what they accomplished in the past.

There comes a time where they will pass you up,

regardless of what you've done, because

that's why it's called business.

I'm trying to figure out.

He says it's the Lakers.

Okay.

Cleveland, Baker Mayfield.

He's with Cleveland.

Yeah.

And I'm sure Cleveland said some bad things about Baker Mayfield.

What's Baker Mayfield doing now?

Acting, hey, cutting up.

Okay.

The Lakers.

He said, oh, he said,

this man has been a six-man.

And T-Lou, my guy, T-Lou, say, I love Russ.

Why didn't they sign him back?

He declined the option with the Nuggets.

So are we not going to, he mentioned Russ shot 40% from the three.

So are we going to take an outline of season or are we going to take about what he's done, his career in the playoffs from the three-point line?

So I'm just figuring out how the Lakers keep taking the blame.

Okay, he went to Utah.

Utah bought him out.

He goes to the Clippers.

Clippers could have re-signed him after that year.

They didn't.

He goes to the Nuggets.

They have an option.

He has an option for $3.5 million, $4 million, whatever the case was.

He declined the option.

They move on.

How is that the Lakers' fault?

I was, I was, when the Lakers, when I heard, when I first started hearing rumors, I said, this is a bad deal.

I see, LeBron and Russ won't work together.

They both need the ball, and it just won't work.

Neither one of the guys are catch and shoot.

LeBron needs shooters.

Russ needs shooters.

So it's not going to work.

But I'm just trying to figure out

how it's everybody's fault.

Russ is not.

He's turnover prone.

He's not a great shooter.

He's not a great defender.

Yeah, he's an energy guy.

He's going to play hard all the time.

Right.

But at this stage of his career, he's not what he once was.

Damn.

I mean, it happens.

But how is that?

I'm just trying to figure out how is it the Lakers' fault?

Do you not think, you think people are like, oh, the Lakers said Russ can't play.

Oh, so we better not get him.

I'm sure they said, so what about Baker?

He went from Cleveland.

He went to Carolina.

He went to the Rams.

That's three teams.

Taba say, okay, Kay, come on over here.

We got you.

At this point in time, unless you still,

there are only

a handful of guys that have played as long as Russ.

I mean, okay, you looking at KD.

Are we saying Russ and KD is the same?

We looking at Steph.

Are we saying Stephen?

Russ the same?

LeBron.

Are we saying LeBron and Russ are the same?

We're talking about guys that played.

I think this is 17.

I think this is 17 for

Steph.

I think this is 19 for KD.

Obviously, it's 23.

Come on, man.

Come on, y'all.

Yeah.

Russ is great in the community.

I love what he does with his foundation.

I love how hard he plays.

But come on, man.

Stop this.

Man, y'all know Russ is not the same player that he was.

That's basically what I said too, huh?

In regards to what you've done, regardless of how good you were, at some point, everything declines.

And when it does decline, they don't care about what you did in the past.

They don't care about what you did in the past.

What can you offer me right now?

What can you do to me right now?

And you said

he's not a great shooter.

He's not a great shooter.

He needs to handle the ball.

So therefore, when you have issues like that, having a role on certain teams, it decreases because there's no value based on what you bring to that team.

As great as he was.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho.

When you watch the NBA, what they do?

Shoot threes.

Hey, just like the NFL.

NFL now is a passing league.

The NBA, everybody behind the arc.

Everybody, even the big men.

If he wanted to get picked up, he could have picked up his option.

Right.

But maybe

he could have picked up the option and stayed with the nuggets.

That's not what he wanted.

Yeah.

Maybe he felt he could have got more in the open market, huh?

Okay.

That's what happened.

So how is that the Lakers' fault?

That's what he got on the open market.

How long has it been since he was last with the Lakers?

Three years?

And the Lakers are still being held accountable for Russ.

Yeah.

It didn't work.

For whatever reason,

it didn't work.

That is not the first trade that a team has made that didn't work I can assure you it will not be the last trade that teams make that don't work right right but we can't keep holding the teams responsible because like I said I love T-Lou but T-Lou say I love Russ they didn't re-sign him why

When he opted out, the Nuggets could have come back and says, okay, that 3.4 is not enough.

we got five right they didn't re-sign him why

so i guess they taking they taking the lakers so if that's the case why did the clippers sign him

if that's the case why did the nuggets nuggets sign it right

that's some bull jab man i love i love i love rush too boy boy

you know a rush rush

different type of game now ocho yeah you you right you're right you know rush reminded me Russell Westbrook,

the basketball version of Steve Smith.

Basketball version of Steve Smith Sr.

I don't know.

I always love that comparison.

When was his last play for the Lakers?

Was it 23?

Because he left the Lakers and went

23, and then during that summer, he went to the Clippers.

But they traded him to, didn't they trade him?

Didn't they trade him?

Lakers traded him, right?

To Utah.

Who bought him out?

Yes, and then

went to the Clippers.

Yeah.

I guess Utah don't want good players.

I guess the Clippers don't want good players.

I guess the Nuggets don't want good players.

Russ is a top 75 player of all time.

He's a Hall of Famer.

Russ is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Easy.

Two things can be true, though.

He's not the same player.

He's turnover prone.

He doesn't play great defense.

He's not a shooter.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

He doesn't play great defense.

No, he doesn't.

Think about it.

OK, C.

Then he went to the Rockets, the Wizards, the Lakers, Utah, the Clippers, the Nuggets,

not the Kings.

Damn.

That happens to him.

It does take away from what he's done.

He's a, what, nine, ten-time all-star.

He's an all-NBA player.

What, three, four seasons of triple-doubles?

He did that.

All-star game MVP.

He's done that.

Yeah.

Twice.

But, Ocho,

I don't base, I base, okay, I signed a player today.

What can he do moving forward?

I can't do anything about that.

Right.

You're not signing for the past.

I'm not signing for the past.

I'm signing for the future.

Right.

And it's okay.

If you play long enough, it'll happen to everybody.

Yeah.

It's happened to some of the best.

It's happened to some of the best.

I just don't get how we just going to keep.

No, no, I don't.

Look,

like I said, for me,

I didn't think it was going to work with LeBron and Russ.

It was one of the few times that I've been very vocal, like, nah,

it ain't going to work.

But y'all keep saying, you know, oh, Shannon don't like Russ.

It seemed like the Clippers didn't like him either.

Or

Utah bought him out.

So y'all keep talking about what Shannon, what about the teams that say, you know what, we're good.

Did that got any, that has anything, any role?

Does that play any role?

I can assure you, these teams are not listening to what Shannon Sharp's saying on his podcast.

Every player, every basketball player that I've talked to hold Russ in very, very high regard.

Yeah,

he's a consummate pro.

He plays extremely hard.

He's very, very philanthropic, gives back to his community.

He's very engaged in the community.

And that's great.

But these teams, like, okay,

how much can he help us win or compete for a title?

That's what it comes down to.

It ain't got nothing to do with no Lakers.

It ain't got nothing to do about what he does, what he's done in the past.

Teams are signing guys now what I believe he can help us do in the future.

And I believe if teams thought Russ could really help them, somebody would have signed him to a deal sooner.

Clearly, the Kings like, well, we need a backup.

We need a point guard, backup point guard.

And we'll see.

They got Schroeder.

They got a couple of guys that was on the Lakers.

They got Schroeder.

They got Malik Monk.

Not Russ.

We'll see how well they can blend up.

I don't even know who the coach is for the Kings now.

Oh, Doug Christie.

Yeah, he was the interim and ended up taking over.

He took over Mike Brown in the interim and ended up getting the job.

So

18, 18, let me, oh Joe, if somebody would have told Russ, hey, Russ, you're going to be able to play

coming out.

We let you play 17 years.

You think Russ says, nah, I got to play 20.

Nah.

Somebody tell you, Ocho, we're going to let you play 10 years.

We're going to give you 10 years in the NFL.

Well, you're going to say, nah, I need 12, 13.

Huh?

You get the first year, then you say, man, boy, if I can get me five.

And then once you get to five, you say, boy, if I can just get to 10.

And then once you get to 10, you take a year at a time.

Yeah, that's it.

You take it a year at a time.

Mm-hmm.

Russ got 18 years.

You're going to get 18 years in the NBA.

That's a beautiful.

Ain't a whole lot of guys got 18 years in the league.

No, no.

Hey, some people,

you get to say when you want to go.

And some, they'll

force you out.

Yes.

You're very fortunate if you're ever in a position to be able to lead the game when you want to.

Well, the thing is, Ocho, is to go before they're ready to get rid of your ass.

Right.

Yeah.

That's the key.

It's all about being self-aware.

That's the key.

It's all about being self-aware.

Because eventually, it don't matter.

Eventually, they're going to want you to go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The question is: do they hold the door open for you, or do you walk out on your own?

Damn.

And I'm happy.

But look, huh?

Go ahead.

I was going to say I had to disagree too.

I'm watching Russ.

He could play defense.

I had to come back to that one.

Okay.

According to Shams, LeBron is planning to take a patient approach with his injury and expected to return around mid-November.

The Lakers open the season October the 21st.

LA has 15 games between October 21st and November 18th before going on a four-day break and then visiting the Utah Jazz November the 23rd.

What you think, Ocho?

LeBron is in year what, 21?

3.

God damn.

Be 41 December 30th.

Yeah, LeBron is in year 23.

47 years old.

Wait, 30, 38.

How old is he?

he'll be 41 god damn

listen take all the time you need take all the time you need luca

is gonna carry the torch for right now

should be more than enough offensively yeah and you know you'll be fine you'll be fine we don't we don't need we don't need we know what you can do we know what you can do you heal up come back and make sure you're 100

we're gonna be all right we're gonna hold the fort down till you're ready

or joe as you get older

you just don't recover like you once could.

Or not as fast.

An injury that would keep you down a week, keep your ass down two weeks to a month.

An injury that would keep your ass down a month will keep you down two, three months.

Hey, what's hurt?

What's hurt on him?

You know, I think he did something in his glute.

His glute.

Oh, man, I got me.

Hey, look,

it's something.

Sciatica?

Yeah.

What is it?

Man, get an epidural.

it's it's glue

yeah you say it's sciatica but it's uh uh uh uh it's pulsating in his glue oh man i know how to

do

hey lebron hit your boy man i got something for that man yeah i got something

huh an epidural now he don't need no epidural get you some witch hazel huh

you hear me man what you trying to do take off makeup No, no, no, I try to take off no makeup.

Get you some witch hazel.

That's the same thing witch hazel gonna do.

Man, listen, you listen.

I got the cure.

I got the cure for that.

Get you some witch hazel and some mayonnaise.

I'm telling you,

I had something like that too.

Get you some witch hazel and some mayonnaise.

Man, please, boy, I have you back in no time, LeBron.

Tell you.

It's got to be pretty severe because

they started.

When did they start?

When did they start camp?

Like

two weeks ago?

So he's going to miss two months.

Basically, two months.

God damn.

That means it's serious because LeBron's not one to miss no time.

Nope.

And he's not injury prone.

You definitely try to miss no time now, Ocho, because you got less of it.

Right, right.

That's the thing.

See, when you're young, oh, I'll do that tomorrow.

If you notice as people start to get older, Ocho, they do less and less procrastinating.

Oh, yeah.

Because you realize you got less and less time.

Time, yeah.

You're right.

See, when you're young, you're like, man, man, I could do that tomorrow.

I got this.

I got that.

You start to get older.

You start to come to the realization.

I ain't promised tomorrow.

Nah, ain't no A.

You sure ain't.

I don't see nowhere where he say, hey, I got you.

Don't worry about it.

You can do that tomorrow.

Nah, let me go and do that today.

Damn.

Two months?

Boy, that's sad.

I got ain't nothing to play with.

I had it.

Yeah.

Boy.

Hey, you got to excuse me.

You got to excuse me in my ignorance the fact that my black ass ain't never been hurt.

You got to tell me what the hell is a sciatica?

It's a nerve that runs down this

And what you mean it'll cause pain it'll cause your little leg to go numb.

Right.

You ever you woke up been sleep on your you try to get out of the bed and your foot numb

Your leg numb your foot you can't even walk like you got clipped like you got a club foot.

Okay.

It'll cause that.

Man, it oh boy, it boy happy sitting like this here in the chair?

Man, what's wrong with you?

Nothing.

Bad?

Boy, that's a Ocho, have you walking sideways?

Yeah.

Oh, that's messy.

Anybody that's ever had a sciatica,

you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, I think it have your, boy, it'll make you cry.

Man,

I went to go watch my son today.

You know,

he played JV for Miami, New Orleans.

And you know how I am.

I've just been through life.

It must have been God's will.

Went, played in NFL.

I've never been hurt.

I go watch him play today.

One of the few Wednesdays I've been off and didn't have to travel anywhere.

He get hurt.

He done broke his clavicle.

We get we get to we go to the hospital so he get hurt he come to the sideline I'm on the game.

I'm watching the game on the sideline.

I say man Nothing wrong with you.

Ain't nothing but a little grade grade one AC sprain.

Man, go ahead and get back in the game.

Man, I can't move my arm.

I can't move my shoulder.

So, you know, kids, freshmen in high school, you think they're playing around.

You think you really haven't felt pain like that before.

So I'm like, come on, man.

Come on, now.

Stop being soft.

Man,

we leave the game.

We go get an x-ray.

Man, it broke his clavicle.

He's talking about, hey, hold on.

After that,

I got to go to school tomorrow still.

Ain't nothing wrong with your your legs.

Ain't nothing wrong with your body.

Hell yeah, you got to go to school.

Hey, just hoping, is it left or right?

It all appears if he's left or right, it's going to be might be tough for him to write.

He's shot.

Nope, it's his left, it's his left shoulder.

So he's right-handed, he be good.

You straight.

And listen, mama say, You're going straight to school.

I know, I know he might be up.

Savie, get up, go to sleep.

Yes, you're going to school.

All right, guys, we're going to get you out on this one.

It's time for our final savings of the evening.

It's time for Q and A.

Samuel LeGrand said, Pat Bell might as well blame Skip while he at it.

He coined the name Russell Westbrick.

He did, indeed.

Saucy said, with Braun not returning until November or December, do you think he could possibly request a trade or finish his career in a purple and gold?

LeBron is one of the two players, one of the few players that have a no-trade contract.

LeBron will go nowhere unless he wants to go.

He can pull that off.

Not everybody has that type of.

What's up?

No, I think there's only two people that have no trade.

That kind of power?

Oh, it's him and Bradley Beal waved his.

Wait, how did he get in a position to be able to...

Never mind.

Let me stay out of basketball business.

People talk about the Lakers never...

No, no, you didn't want them the Lakers did

y'all know what the Lakers were like when Kobe was injured in Kobe's last couple years.

Y'all know what it was like

I Love how the Lakers pretend like oh they were winning we were gonna do no you wasn't you couldn't get anybody

You couldn't

you couldn't y'all need to stop this Laker fast y'all knew what it was like

When Kobe was hurt and y'all was pretending

You couldn't get a free agent.

Remember Lamarcus Alder turned you down.

You remember, Dwight Howard

didn't re-sign with you.

So I'm just trying to figure out who you was getting.

You couldn't even get top free agents to come, even when you had Kobe.

So again, I ask,

in the most humble way I know how, who are you getting?

A uncle Oh, LeBron only won one championship.

How many championships did you win from 2010, from

when Kobe won that last championship until LeBron won that?

How many years was in between that?

Cole won the last title in 2010.

Cole retired in 2016, right?

So

how many playoff wins did your guys have from 2010 to 2016?

How many times did you even go to the playoffs?

Interesting.

Very interesting.

No,

look, I don't know.

Do I think LeBron's going to request a trade?

I don't.

But if he's injured this year, this will be his last year.

Damn.

I mean,

Everybody wants to go out their way.

I want to go out.

Oh, it'd be great if I could go out and win a championship like John Elwell, like the bus.

The bus stopped in Detroit.

He's from Detroit.

Or win like Strahan and walk off into the sunset.

Everybody don't get that.

Everybody don't get that.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

And if somebody would have told LeBron, hey, at 18, bro,

23?

No player has ever played 23, let alone played at the, first of all, no player.

I mean, Vince, Vince played 22, but Vince was averaging, what, five points a game?

LeBron averaged 24 and a half, seven and a half, eight.

That's crazy.

That's how I know he's not retiring, despite him being hurt right now.

Yeah,

so to play it, to be a full-time starter, the man was a full-time starter.

Right.

That's crazy.

Just BPP.

You guys are great.

You guys are great players.

Are great great players great regardless where they are, or does landing matter?

It definitely helps.

I mean, you need teammates,

you need coaching.

But

had Michael Jordan not got Phil Jackson, would Michael Jordan still not be great?

We might not look at him and say he might not have the amount of championships.

He might not have any.

We don't know.

But

before he got Phil, was he not flying through the air?

Was he not Air Jordan before Phil got there?

we don't we don't know how soon you get there with tom had he not had he had a different coach than coach belichek we don't know we just know he had coach belichek he left coach belichick and he won another one that's that's what we know

yep what happens if he wasn't what if he didn't get drafted by new england we don't we don't know yeah they kept tom they kept four quarterbacks because they saw something well he's not ready to play right now, but I think we should just hold on to it and

let him get reps,

work on things, and he was able to get better.

Yeah.

And better,

put him in the pantheon.

Kevin Norwood Jr.

said, for tomorrow night's game, I'm rolling with the Steelers.

Sorry, Ocho.

I love you, though.

Me too.

Y'all rolling with who?

Steelers.

Oh, I mean, that's fine.

Listen, in life, everybody has a choice.

It might not be the right one, but it's the one that they want.

And

that's something you guys decide to do.

May God be with you.

Drew said, when you going to own up and say, I was wrong about Baker, you called that man a bust.

That was then.

So people are not allowed to change?

I was poor.

I got out of that situation.

So let me ask you a question.

If he stays in Cleveland, is he still this big?

Is he the MVP discussion?

Drew, I'm just going to ask, if he stays in Cleveland or if he stays in Carolina, is he still this player?

No.

Look, the guy went first overall.

He got to have some talent.

Damn.

He went first overall.

The Cleveland situation, he was tired of Cleveland.

They were tired of him.

They didn't like his leadership style.

He didn't didn't like the way they wanted him to lead.

He needed to go somewhere where he could be Baker Mayfield.

But he also needed to be surrounded by outstanding offensive talent.

Yes.

He was devoid of that in Cleveland.

So there are a lot of extenuating circumstances that led us to be this Baker Mayfield.

No, he's not a bust.

He went to a Pro Bowl.

So that in and of itself, like he wasn't a bust,

but he was not living up to the number one overall draft pick in Cleveland.

Now you understand why Cleveland took him.

They just weren't able to surround him with talent like a Chris Godwin, like a Mecca Abuka, like a Mike Evans, like a Cade Otten.

He didn't have that.

Yeah.

Y'all make it seem like, oh, he's the same player.

He had the same talent in Cleveland.

Really?

You think Cleveland would have got rid of Baker Mayfield if he had this exact same talent in Cleveland and playing the way he is in Tampa?

He has some nice pieces over there,

but nothing like now.

I mean, Odell wasn't,

Odell had came off those injuries, Ocho.

Remember, he tore his knee?

You remember he...

To get him, he had broke his leg

in New York.

He wasn't the same.

You need years to recover from that, Ocho.

Now, he has started to

round back and started to look like the Odell when he got to the Rams.

That back half, when he got to the Rams, those last two or three games in the playoffs,

up until that Super Bowl, he started to look like Odell.

You single him, he was eating.

Because that was, remember that was the same year that Cooper Cup had that triple crown.

So people was giving all their attention to Coop.

Now Odell got to eat.

Baker's playing phenomenal, and I'm happy for him.

Unfortunately,

Cleveland doesn't get to reap the benefits.

Yo, Dutch, what's up,

Joe?

I would like y'all to give my nine-year-old son, little Antoine,

a happy birthday shout out.

Downtown Buffalo, Pass Nation.

Antoine,

happy ninth birthday.

happy ninth birthday Twan.

What do you got a nine-year-old Ocho?

What's a gift for a nine-year-old?

A nine-year-old.

PlayStation, Xbox?

A PlayStation Xbox.

Matter of fact,

Bill and McGaming rig.

Gaming rig.

Bill and McGaming rig.

That's what you're saying.

What's a gaming rig?

A PC.

PC, two monitors, TV.

Oh, oh, so

you can game and stuff?

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Okay, well, hold on, help you out, Ocho.

Damn.

Yeah, you start him early.

Start them early.

It ain't going to

ain't really cost nothing.

What's nothing?

$500?

About $5,900.

Yeah, I sure wish I had me a gaming station.

You get one of them high chairs?

Like this, like this.

Oh, the chair like that?

Yes, it's a gaming chair.

With monitors, like two or three monitors?

Yeah, right in front of you.

Yeah.

Oh, so I can have my number on the back of that there too, huh?

Yeah, you can get your nice little chair, put the 84 on the back of there.

Get your orange chair.

You know, the little Denver Bronco chair, little theme.

So you say I can get that whole setup for about $5,900, huh?

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I wish I could turn my camera around

so I can show you.

That'd be so interesting.

If I can get about $5,900,

sure, get me a little game room.

Have me a nice little gaming room.

But the funny thing, you don't need it because you don't game.

I can't.

Because I ain't got no money to buy no gaming station.

I mean, but you won gaming before.

So you won't.

Yeah, Jordan says he going to he build it for, but Jordan, like, you know, Jordan good with computers.

Jordan hooked that thing up.

Oh, so Jordan, yeah, Jordan already know.

Jordan already know.

So, um, yeah.

But the fact that I could.

So, in other words, I could be on there.

So, with my gaming station, I could be on there

playing against Kai or I show speed hogs, get speed hogs.

Yeah, but you told me you.

Named Jabooga.

Yeah, but you've never played video games before.

So, I mean, you wouldn't start changing.

Because

I ain't got no setup.

well how you would have had a setup before if you was a real gamer if i had 5900 i could i mean you want don't nobody start gaming in their 50s though

see i've been doing this i've been doing this since i was nine

i ain't had 5900 when i was nine that's why you ain't gaming now you so there's no i could i mean i want to game now But see, you wanted to, oh, we need to do something.

There's people in this space.

I try to get in this space.

I need 5,900.

They say I need 5,900 to get in this space.

I got you.

I got you.

Hey, I'm telling you,

it's a space that nobody's touched that we can take advantage of.

Well, if I get 5,900, I sure like to be in that space.

Aaron Owens says, oh, when you dropped that monster game versus the Chargers in 06, what did it feel like to be in the zone?

I was so sick, y'all lost that game.

Hold on, you had a monster game and y'all lost?

Yep, man.

Well,

I had, well, I forgot, 11 for 260, two TDs.

That's when L, that's the season LT had the 31 touchdowns.

Damn, how many he had against y'all?

Probably maybe, I don't know, maybe two or three.

And we was winning 21, 21, something, like three, 21, three.

They came back and won.

So you had that monster game.

So now, Chase broke your record last year on Thursday Night Football against the Ravens.

So

not only do you not have a record no more, y'all didn't even win the game?

I mean, I mean, I ain't got nothing to do with that.

You did have something to do with it.

You was out there.

No, I mean, I did, I did my job.

I don't know what's going on with you guys, though, Ocho.

I mean, Chase lost that game last year, too.

Sometimes it happens like that.

You know,

all you can do

is work with the hand that you're dealt.

There's nothing you can do about it.

Damn.

I'm so sure sorry, Ocho.

Yeah, we're going to be all right, though.

Y'all going to be all right?

Yeah, we're gonna be all right now.

Y'all better win that game tomorrow.

Oh, we're gonna win tomorrow.

Uh, Ricky, what's up, Uncle and Ocho?

Congrats on the awards.

Keep stacking them.

Got a good one for y'all.

Start bench cup.

Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton.

That's for you, Unc.

Man, I ain't getting rid of Vic.

I'm I'm just telling you that.

Vic started this.

Ain't nothing like,

what year was that?

The Michael Vick experience.

In Atlanta.

Unbelievable.

You had to be there.

You had to be a part of it.

Unbelievable.

I ain't cutting nobody.

I ain't bitching nobody.

So guess what?

Because I know Vic ain't coming out the field, Lamar ain't coming out the field, and Cam damn sure ain't coming out the field.

Man, y'all know how Cam is.

I'm gonna burn through all my time out.

So it's your

come on.

You're gonna get back in the next place.

They're gonna be like, uh,

I ain't coming out.

Uh-uh.

Ricky, I'm sorry, man.

I gotta keep all these guys.

You gotta give me somebody else, man.

I can't cut none of these guys.

We got three MVPs and the guy that revolutionized the running quarterback.

What you see with Mike, what you see with Lamar and Cam.

Mike started at.

Nate B said, hey, you're going to the Aces parade on Friday?

You can blame the crowd.

I know you're probation.

Where's going to be?

Where the parade at?

On the strip?

No.

I'm going to a game next year.

I'm going to their first game when they get them rings.

Hey, Uncle, love this show.

How's Brick Brother Sterling doing?

And he's

still playing golf.

He's doing well.

He's recovering from eye surgery.

I think he's going to

his third week.

So we had it on the 26th.

So yeah, this is about his third week.

So I think he got a couple more days of laying down.

He's, yeah, he's still playing golf.

Obviously, he can't play right now, but

but yes, he's still playing golf.

Uh, Dark Barnes said, Pickens to the Panthers

paired with T-Mac, replacing

Leggett.

Ocho say he don't want him to go to Carolina.

I mean,

we didn't even mention Carolina, but I listen,

the best fit, the best place will always be the Raiders.

No matter what anybody says, it's just

that's where it's at.

Uh-oh, Ocho.

Pickens to the 49ers.

Oh, shit.

That's a good one.

Gabe Vincent Cook flag in the first quarter, five straight threes.

Look, the question is, can the Lakers play defense, Ocho?

Yeah.

They got, look.

Man,

Luca gonna score 30 a game.

AR gonna give you 20.

So they're going to have enough to score the points.

The question is, the question is, can you stop people?

Yeah.

Tino Davis, pickets to the Broncos, Bills, Texans, or Commanders?

What he got?

Oh, the Bills can definitely use it.

Yeah.

The Bills could definitely use it.

I saw what you call them.

Sean McDermott had a conversation with Brady, Joe Brady, about the usage of James Cook.

Remember, I told you, Ocho, I was surprised how little they used James Cook the other night, right?

Well, they got Cortland Sutton.

I don't think they spent that kind of money on Sutt and then go get picked.

I could be wrong, but hey,

Bills got Nico Collins.

I think Tank Dale comes back.

Commanders just paid a boatload of money to McLaurin.

McLaurin.

I think the Bills

should be in the running.

Sir underscore case, my guys, Ocho, November 12, 2006 versus San Diego, 11 receptions, 206 yards, two touchdowns.

Can you explain your mindset that game?

If Carson wouldn't have went down in that playoff game, was anybody stopping y'all in 06?

Yep.

Who?

Who?

Hold on.

0-6.

Well, who was the city who won the Super Bowl in 0-6?

Man, we was finna beat them.

What you talking about?

Oh, Lord.

we opened the first play we the first play of the game 60 yards down the sideline who caught that ball chris henry rest in peace yes you're right

man that changed the whole changed the whole game i'm the first play

yeah man it was man boy himo van o'hoffen yeah boy we were gonna run up and down that field

uh isaac colston hey chad can you get me a ticket to the bingles game tomorrow please wait i i'm i'm not even in town yet.

I ain't even get there.

Mr.

International, Go Falcons, Saucy D,

what all happens in production meetings?

Well, they talk to them about your mindset, come to plays you like.

They ask you, you know, this team is a such and such.

Yeah, we got certain things.

We got things that we can get to.

You know, we understand that they're a pressure team.

They like to do a lot of zone dogs.

They like to play a lot of cover one.

We're expecting that.

But we see some areas that we can, you know, you talk to the the head coach, you talk to the quarterback, you normally talk to, you know, two, three offensive players, two or three defensive players.

The coaches kind of fill in the blanks after that.

That's it.

Just to get a sense of the team, you know, when we talked about, you know, if you all were here, we talked to them yesterday.

They felt that this was something they could take advantage of.

That's it.

T.S.

Carr Washington Detail Service.

Rest up, D'Angelo, y'all's favorite song or story, Brown Sugar.

Brown Sugar Classic.

Oh, what's the one he did?

Oh, what's the name of the

God?

I can't remember the name of this.

No.

No said we need a thug on Club Shay Shea.

A who?

A thug.

A thug?

Oh, they say the young thug.

Oh, they say we the young thug?

You need to sit down with young thug yeah

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young thug if you watching come on back club shayshay

that'd be hey that'd be a good one hey he a thug gonna hit you with that whoop dee do

uh

glendale best said can i get a birthday shout out and rest in peace my twin sister lost her battle with breast cancer glendale you absolutely can happy birthday sorry it can't be more pleasant under the circumstances

Hopefully, your sister is comfortable now.

Hopefully, God gives you strength, comfort, and understanding in your time of sorrow and grief.

So sorry to hear about your sister, but know she's in a better place.

She's resting, and there's no more pain, no more chemo.

It doesn't give you,

doesn't lessen the pain, but hopefully over time, you get better with dealing with this situation.

So Glendale, happy birthday.

As happy as it can be under the circumstances.

That concludes this episode of Nightcap.

I want to thank you guys for joining us.

I'm your favorite Unc Shannon Sharp, and that is my partner and co-host.

That is Liberty City's own Bingles Ring of Fame Honoree Pro Bowler, all-pro.

He's Chad Ochocenco Johnson.

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Continued success throughout the rest of the season.

That concludes this episode, Ocho.

We'll see you tomorrow night.

Unfortunately, you'll be disappointed.

But we'll see you guys tomorrow night.

Thank you guys for joining us.

Who they Ocho, out.

Wende.

Wendy.

When they gonna win another game.

Never.