Nightcap Hour 2: Dave East TALKS New Album Karma 4 + Mike Tomlin's OUT OF CHARACTER comments on Browns TRADING Flacco

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Now it's time to welcome in Grammy-nominated rapper.

They tell me he's a great hooper.

They say he's one of the best hoopers

in the rap game.

They say, hey, when he come up,

everybody all of a sudden they can't find the shoes.

He has an album coming out, Karma 4, that will be released actually on my daughter's birthday.

10, 15, 25.

Here he is, Dave East.

Dave, what it do, bro?

What up, my boy?

I'm good, man.

I'm good.

We got

OJo, what up?

Nothing chilling, man.

Chilling, man.

What's good?

Everything good?

Yeah, everything healthy, bro.

Bro, I'm looking at the Karma four features.

Collaborations, Mipsey Hustle, Wiz Khalifa.

You got Larry June, Key glock mozzie jeremiah jaquees mano tell us a little bit about the album what makes this album so special for you um it's my first official independent joint you know i mean i've been signed since i came in the game like 2015.

i was signed with nas early on um i went on the death jam

so it feels good to you know put it all together myself and um The last call my dropped was 2020, so it's been five years since I did that, touched into that series.

So it feel good yeah hey when it comes to making an album especially with when you have collaboration like you do how difficult is it to to have everybody on the same page you know hey listen i i need i need i need a verse i need you to do this sing you the beat how difficult is it to complete an album of this magnitude when you have collabs like that oh it's yeah it's yeah no it take a while you know what i mean because everybody got different schedules

everybody running around doing whatever they doing so right i would say the hardest part is just the time.

You know what I mean?

Like I had, I had,

it was a few features I had that got right at the end.

You know what I'm saying?

Like right before I turned it in.

Like, thank you, bro.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

But

I would say overall, everybody that I worked with on this album, I got a personal relationship with.

So

nothing was forced.

You know what I mean?

It was all natural.

Everybody got back to me when they could.

It was love.

And that's always nice to have a personal relationship because is it like when you will

big

studio, they reach out and do a lot of this for you.

And because, like, okay, hey, such and such, you know, Sony or Epic or whoever, Capital Records, or whatever the case may be.

But now, because you say, I got a personal relationship, hey, you just pick up the phone and hit them your damn self.

That's a fact.

That's a 100% fact.

I ain't got no middleman with that.

The artwork for Karma 4 is an homage to Tupac's iconic Vag magazine cover shoot, which recently celebrated its 30th anniversary.

Um,

who are some of the like obviously when you do this, like the Tupac thing, so obviously, Tupac was a big inspiration for you, but who's some of the other inspirations?

Who are some of the rappers you're like, okay, I kind of like, I kind of like their style, I kind of like their beat.

Um, growing up, I was a big, big pun fan.

Okay, um,

I was a of course, Nas Hove,

um,

DMX, DMX really probably made me feel like

I wanted to like write my own rap i would probably i would get at the dmx god bless his soul um it was a lot back then for me like just coming up i never was really um in a box i listened to snoop dog pal i listened to outcast in atlanta i listened to basically everything that was coming out of new york rough riders all of that dip set um

I got a ear for a lot, you know what I mean?

So I think me growing up and

paying attention to all of them different styles, it gave me my style like musically you know what i mean the cover was that your idea or was that well you independent now so it had to be your idea it wasn't it wasn't like it was a record

you know what that was my so my shout out to my cousin check he's a die hard like i i love pop i got pop tatted on me but he's a die hard die hard like he know every lyric he know all the unreleased shit that nobody never heard like he's a pac pac fan you feel me so one day we in the studio chopping it up and he he said, yo, I got a record on the album called Crazy.

He was like, yo, for that video, I'm going to put on the straight.

And he kind of looked like Pac.

He got the ball.

He reminded me of Pac, my cousin.

But he like, yo, I'm going to do the straight jacket in the video.

You know what I'm saying?

And we're going to recreate the Pac.

I'm like, yeah.

Nah, I'm going to put the straight jacket on.

So I basically kind of took his idea.

Yo, you took his idea.

You know what I mean?

But

I remember that vibe,

that issue when Pac was on that cover.

Me and Pac got a lot of similarities, I believe, just in just

beyond just the music to the acting, the Gemini.

I just got a lot of connections to Tupac.

And I felt like with me being independent now and

a lot of the things I've been through is

enough to drive you.

to the edge, you know what I'm saying?

And I think I balanced it well.

So I really wanted to pay homage to Tupac with the cover.

That's basically what the gist of that, you know.

I mean,

hey,

go ahead, Ocho.

Wait, now I was gonna say, when it comes to

the era of music that we're in now, the sound, the way people rap, obviously, when we think about New York rappers, you think about lyricists, you know, actually being able to understand what everybody is saying.

You have an ear for the game, you've been in the game for a very long time.

Right,

is it easy to

stay

true to being a lyricist, being being that you from New York,

or wanting to adjust to the sound of how music is right now or the time that we're in.

It changes every 10 years.

Right.

I think in any lane, you got to be able to,

you know,

add whatever's going on

to what you got going on.

That's the word I was looking for.

You got to be able to adapt.

Yeah.

Because I think if you don't adapt, then your sound becomes dated.

Your sound becomes the old.

You know what I mean?

Nobody wants to be the old so um i think with me

i gotta do it my way i gotta stick to what i know stick to what i love but i'm always my ear is always to the streets to what's going on today you know i mean so production wise what i'm talking about uh the lingo oh i'm i'm up to date with all of that with what the kids is talking about you know i mean like so i'm gonna always add that into the the music and what I'm talking about on the songs, you know what I'm saying?

So the kids that might be 10 to 15, 20 years younger than me, they can still be like, oh, I know what he's talking about.

You know what I mean?

Okay, okay.

Dave, but the thing is, it's really tough to adapt because you have a sound and people are used to that sound.

And a lot of times when people try to get out of that box, people are like, man, I don't like the old Davies.

I don't like this new Davies.

And so you have to walk a tightrope of like giving the people the original, the OG Davies that they're used to hearing while trying to sprinkle some new new flavor in because it is a fine line because you hear a lot of time, man, I like the old sound better than this.

All the time.

All the time.

But you know what I tell people to that, bro?

I feel like

with music, for me, I can only speak for myself.

With music, it's like,

what am I going through at that time?

Where is my life at that time?

So a lot of that, a lot of times people like the music.

When I was still living in the projects, I was broke.

I was trying to figure it out.

I ain't had no jewelry.

I ain't had no cars.

So I might have sounded like I was starving.

You know what I'm saying?

When I go back and listen to it,

I don't really hear too much of a difference besides my voice, my tone of my voice.

I got older.

But I feel like with that,

you can never, like, you can't have the same child twice.

You know what I mean?

Like, that's how I kind of treat it.

Like, and each one of my bodies of work, it's like a, it's like a kid.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I put a certain amount of time into that project.

i i was emotionally going through this during this project like you know i mean like i can't recreate those feelings i can't recreate people that might have died and was around me while i was making that music and the energy i was getting off of them and now they're not around them you know i mean so it's like yeah people don't know

that it takes to putting into the music you know i mean so um yeah i think it's just growth bro like and the people that really really rock with me they grow with me you know what i mean like as as time go on they grow with me

You played college ball at the University of Richmond, transferred to Towson.

Clearly, did you have hoop dreams?

Or was he like, you know, were you rapping and hooping at the same time?

I never was, I never thought I was going to be no rapper.

I never seen that.

I thought the league, that's all my moms, my pops, my grandma.

You know, by the time I made it to college playing ball, that's all I had been

pushing up to that point.

Like my family family was behind it.

Um, yeah, that just went left, you know.

I mean, but the talent was there, I had, I was blessed with all of the height,

everything.

God gave me all the tools I needed to play basketball.

You know, I'm saying it was just my

mindset at 17, 18 years old.

It wasn't what it needed to be.

You weren't disciplined and structured.

100%.

So, who's your team?

In what?

In basketball.

In the NBA?

Oh, man.

Nick, Nicks.

I got to go Knicks, man.

You know what I mean?

I got to go big and wild, bro.

I got to go Knicks.

They let you down.

They done let me down a lot in my lifetime.

I've been here a little while.

All your life, your entire lifetime.

Some of your lifetime, you're in the business.

My pops can remember last time, you know what I mean?

They got that joints.

So, yeah, but

I'm a Knicks fan, bro.

I'm at the games.

I rep them.

You know what I mean?

I'm a ride with New York.

Because everybody, when we talk, when I talk, I've interviewed a lot of

guys on Club Shay Shea.

We have guys here on Nightcap, and every name come up.

They talk about rappers who they talk, man, Davey's, man.

Davey's got real game for real.

Oh, with the basketball.

Yeah, I was talking to Herbo.

I was talking to Chris Breezy.

I was talking to Snoop.

I was talking to Will.

I was talking to everybody.

Your name is the first name come up.

So I guess

you be taking these rappers' money, Dave.

Nah, you know what it is?

I think, to be honest with you, bro, I think a lot of rappers, and I don't know nobody, like their background and their life and all that, but I think once they got on to whatever it is they got on, got their money,

it became like a pastime for them, like a hobby.

You know what I mean?

Like something they do in their free time.

Now that they've made it, you know what I'm saying?

Before I ever thought about rapping or making a song, i was hoping i was hoping you were hoping i was hoping like you know what i'm saying like right really really

you know i mean i was on that like so i i feel like that and the fact that now they got footage out of me they somebody put this because you can't swindle nobody now huh

i'm a rapper now man i do the i do the rap thing now man i act a little bit here and there but i i fell in love with the music ball broke basketball broke my heart man i gave basketball mad years yeah it It ain't go how I wanted it to go.

So I had to hurry up and find something else.

You know what I mean?

To kind of save face.

Like my moms and them was like, what you going to do now?

You blew that opportunity.

So I'm thankful for this music, bro.

I'm real thankful for it.

Who's your football team?

The G's, man, the Giants.

Oh, yo, hey.

And I just went to the UK.

And

we just beat the birds, man.

You know what I'm saying?

We just packed them up.

So, you know what I mean?

I felt, I was actually in attendance for that win.

I felt good.

You know what I mean?

Hey, y'all know y'all come to my high this week, though, Dave.

You know, it ain't gonna go too well for y'all, man.

Oh, y'all play the Broncos.

There you go.

There you go.

You were recently on a part of Cassanette's

Mafia Thon 3.

So

what's it like?

That was dope, man.

Like,

even with that, y'all was just asking me, how do you keep,

adapt to what's going on like that dreaming world is a whole new he's a whole different animal that wasn't even going on when i came in i ain't been in it that long but that's super

new and it got all the kids in the headlock down to my daughter that's they was tuned into that like you know what i'm saying i'm like i put out stuff all the time they don't care nothing about it the cash i come on you know what i mean i'm like damn but that was a dope opportunity for me uh

and i just saluted i was i was the energy in that in that crib was fire.

Like, they just like they living like how you would want to live as a kid, you know what I mean?

Like, if you could just be big, grown, they grown ass kids, you know what I mean?

Like, you could just doing all your homies in a big ass mansion, doing whatever y'all feel like doing.

I think it's dope, bro.

I think it's super dope

for them to invite me up there and let me let me do my thing up there.

That was dope.

That's live.

His four, his album, Karma 4, will be released on Wednesday, the 15th.

He got features with Nipsey Hustle, Wiz Khalifa,

Larry June, Key Glock, Mozy, Jeremiah, Jaque,

just to name a few.

Dave, thank you for joining us, man.

Best of luck on the album.

Best of luck on being independent.

Thank you for coming by, Nightcap, guys.

Oh, Jordan, I really appreciate that.

Appreciate y'all, man.

You know that all the time.

Appreciate you.

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Dave East's new album, Karma 4, drops on Wednesday.

That's Caleb's birthday.

Oh, Joe, the Titans have fired

Brian Callahan just six games into his second season as head coach.

His team was 4-19.

The Titans were 3-14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting

Cam Ward.

With Callahan firing, the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall.

Six of the past eight

seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season.

Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflus, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan.

Ocho.

Yeah.

What do

It's not the coaches.

It's not the coaches.

It's the owners.

Hey, chat, stay with me real quick and understand this.

The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right?

The owners are businessmen, huh?

And the stuff that they do, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football in the business world, the one way to fix it is you throw money at it.

You throw money at it and that return on investment, it happens right away.

When it comes to the game of football,

this ain't a microwavable plate.

You don't draft a quarterback, have a new coach, and put him out there on the field and think y'all are going to have success right away.

That's not the way it works.

That's never been the way it works.

Now, sometimes you get a quarterback, like you get a C.J.

Shrouder, you get lucky.

You get a Jaden Daniels and you get lucky.

You get a franchise-altering quarterback right away that changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win but listen i listen brian callahan getting fired obviously first year with cam ward

it is it's uh it's not the microwave this ain't food you can't just put in there and heat it up and all of a sudden thing you're gonna have success it just doesn't happen like that it never has

They don't have patience, OJo.

They're not letting anything develop.

You know, I used to have a saying, I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch there's a process in which an egg hatch into a chiclet

these what these owners are doing they're smashing the egg they're not they're not going to let it hatch they fired the general manager they fired brable they fry ran carthon and guess what now they fry brian callahan

and what what are they doing

they don't know do they do

my point exactly so obviously they're not football people they're not they're businessmen they either have

coacho

she is

amy adams okay i think i think the last it's pronounced skunk skrunk okay strunk

her father

mr bud adams bud adams yeah okay i know who that is i know who that is he he passed away and turned it over to her i don't know how involved she was

at the time right so you inherit this business and if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it.

You're trusting other people to run the business.

Now, at least when Jerry passes away, hopefully that's not for another hundred years.

His kids have been in the business from day one, so they're gonna understand how this business works.

So they have been a part of it since he purchased the team in 1989.

They've been a part of it.

I don't know how involved she was

with it.

So,

and you're trusting other people.

I don't know how involved they were with it.

So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's tough, ojo.

It's tough.

And it's not like a

another business.

Because, oh Joe, if your business is not doing well, you just don't, you just don't sell it.

You just don't scrap your, start buying the CEO, start finding the VP, the coo you don't start finding a whole bunch of people you give it time yeah you have to you don't have a choice you have like but but those that are in positions of power i don't think they understand how the game of football works you're drafting number one for a reason yeah you're terrible you're drafting number one for a reason that quarterback is going to have his ups and his downs yes

I mean, that's just the nature of the business.

But they say, well, but these young quarterbacks go into dysfunctional franchises.

If they was functional, he wouldn't be there.

What the hell?

There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first.

Right.

You're bad.

How would that be fair that Kansas City win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft?

The Eagles

win the Super Bowl.

They get the first pick of the draft.

We talked about this the other day: is that the Lakers won the championship in 82, and guess what?

They got they got to select James Word, the number one overall.

Okay.

How is that fair?

Right.

Damn.

Yes, no.

So normally, the best, so normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up.

If we just put the worst, the best players on the best teams, they would stay bad.

I just, I, I,

they just,

they're not going to give it time, ocho.

They're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks.

These quarterbacks are going to be getting three million dollars.

Three, excuse me, 300 million.

Yeah, absolutely.

And so there's like, but this is the problem, dude.

This is the problem that scares me.

If you only gave Callahan two years, right?

You get you drafted Cam Ward.

I'm not sure how much time he, I'm not sure how much,

how many years are in this rookie deal.

Do you have the patience with him?

They got four plus to 50 option.

Do you have the patience with him

as well?

So

I don't know.

Stuff like that scares me.

It scares me, especially when you fire a coach that early, knowing that you're drafting or you're picking in a position you're picking for a reason.

Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change a goddamn thing.

I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't.

I mean,

hey, Baker Mayfield, wasn't uh

Freddie K fired doing Baker's rookie year, right?

So this is not, this is not new.

This has been going on.

You go back the last, you go back the last decade plus and go back and look at the number one overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year.

Crazy.

Because a lot of times he was there the year before and they get the working quarterback and they get, you got to go.

Hugh Jackson was fired for the first time.

Yeah, okay, Hugh, Hugh Jack.

Okay.

Okay.

So, see,

it's this is this is not this is not something new.

Uh, it's been going on, but I think now we're starting to like, damn.

What do you expect from a team that that let Derrick Henry go, you didn't get anything for him, and you traded away AJ Brown for Trillin Brooks or Burks?

Trillin Brook, yeah, and now he's in the dark, he's in the, he was in Denver, I think, today or last week, working out.

So, do you think that is a team that is equipped?

No, you let Derrick Henry walk out the door scot-free, you traded AJ Brown,

you the bet you got you had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable, yeah, and you fired him.

Damn, who's gonna be the next coach?

Well, Mike McCoy

was on the staff so he's taken over he was the head coach at uh

the chargers so he's the interim he was then he was the offensive coordinator in denver when the denver went to that super bowl and they got the doors blown off him um

uh

but he uh

he's the set he was at the

i think there was san diego then and ended up moving they went to the playoffs his first year but then he ended up losing his job so he he's the interim

um coach at this point in time.

I just don't think

they have an idea.

You trade your best player, the best coach you've had in a very, very long time.

You fire him.

You've gone through two, three general managers in a span of five years.

That's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program.

I just don't

know.

if they're going to get it right this time around either.

Well, listen, listen,

if they don't get it it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see what we can come away with.

Get us a little opportunity, you know,

we can diversify our portfolio.

No, I'm good.

My portfolio is diversified.

Okay.

Okay.

It don't hurt to add a little more now.

Can you imagine Shannon Sharp,

manager, Tennessee Titans?

I've made it abundantly clear.

I want no part.

I want to cover the NFL in this capacity.

I don't want to work for an organization

in any capacity.

Okay.

Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns and general manager Andrew Berry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bingles.

Ocho, let's take a listen to what Mike T had to say.

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You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.

Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us

because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.

But that's just my personal feelings.

Look, Mike T don't, that's not his style.

Mike T don't normally involve in the A.

He always say that's not us.

That's not the Pittsburgh Steelers business.

Right.

But

why you think Mike T

stepped out of character?

Well, listen, they asked him a question.

He asked him a question.

He gave him something different.

He gave him something different.

And obviously, even he has to always show face and be someone that he's truly not.

You know what?

I feel like being myself today.

I like that.

One thing I told Young that I want coaches, I want players to obviously start doing.

Sometimes I want them to tell the truth.

Sometimes I want them to say exactly how they feel.

I want the locker room talk, the conversations that are had to be said in front of camera.

Now, what he just said just there is something he would say if there were no cameras rolling.

I enjoyed that.

That's authenticity.

So you like what Tua said?

Who?

Tua.

No, I don't like that part.

That's authenticity.

No, no, no, I don't like that.

See, listen,

I'm not throwing nobody under the bus.

You said you wanted authenticity.

You're not listening to me.

I don't like the snitching on people.

I don't like that part.

You want authenticity.

You get to pick and choose what's authentic.

If it's authentic, you want it.

That's what you said, chat.

Is that what he said?

Help me out, chat.

You're confusing.

Don't put authentic and snitching together.

That's not together.

I like Mike Thomas's answer because it's something most coaches or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera.

So the fact that he did say it and it was out of character for him as a head coach means it's authentic.

That's how he really feels.

So let me ask you a question.

What Tua did is Tua was snitching and throwing people under the bus that he got.

Were they late?

Were they late?

Did they miss?

Did he lie?

I wasn't there.

What Tua said is what he would have said if the cameras weren't there.

That's called snitching.

Cameras are not.

You said you want people to be authentic.

Now you want them to be authentic sometimes.

See,

you're going from one spectrum to the other.

So if we would talk about Tua, I would say that's snitching like I did yesterday.

But

is that?

Now we talk about Mike Tom.

Is he being truthful?

Is he being truthful?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who?

Tua.

I don't know.

We weren't there.

We don't know.

Hold on.

How can it be if it's if he can't be snitching then?

Hold on.

We weren't there.

We weren't there.

So he ain't snitching.

No, he's snitching.

how you know you weren't there exactly because just the context and perspective of what i have to go off of you saying what we should

i ain't say nothing let me let me say something we shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room it shouldn't as a quarterback we shouldn't know what anything about what mike thomas thinking

why not come on how you do why not

how you try to compare the two I'm just saying, you say you want

authenticity.

I do.

You said you want people to tell the truth.

Dude was telling the truth.

He was telling what he experienced.

Guys coming late, guys missing.

You didn't like that because you said it's snitching.

But you said you just wanted people to tell the truth.

You want people, I want people to be themselves.

That's what he's saying.

Wait a minute.

Stay.

Stay with me.

Stay with me now.

Now, I don't mind.

I don't like the snitching part.

You don't throw your teammates under the bus.

As a captain, as a quarterback, you always take issues and put them on yourself.

I do.

Now,

Mike Tomlin just giving his

perspective based on, you know, the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Sure.

Just giving you his perspective of why they're losing.

No, stop, stop.

I just go about what you say.

You say you want people to live in their truth.

You say, oh, you say,

I just want people sometimes, I just want people to come up there and tell what's on their mind.

That's what you told me.

I said, ocho, you can't do that.

You say, why not, uh?

I say, because

it'll be a detriment to the team.

You say, I don't care.

I just want it to be true.

I just want people to just stay.

You say,

stay with me just for a second.

Stay with me right now.

I said, okay, I'm going to stay with you, Ocho.

I don't understand.

What you don't understand?

I don't understand, man.

Listen.

All two of the would say, guys, the reason why we're losing,

the reason why we're losing is that when we have a meeting and we schedule a meeting are guys gonna show up are they gonna show up on time when we say we're gonna do this are we gonna do it

that's what he's saying you tell the truth that ain't nobody business That ain't nobody's business.

You know you don't conduct yourself like that as a player and mentor

about your players.

You don't put that business out there like that.

You don't do that.

Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know, he done got everybody in trouble.

We all go into jail cutter tours.

I know.

So in other words, you don't want people telling the truth all the time, right?

Come again.

So you're saying you don't want people to tell the truth all the time, correct?

No, I don't want people snitching, snitching.

There's a difference.

No, you're not.

You're confusing someone snitching and someone being.

authentic in their answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked.

Those are two different scenarios.

How about this here?

Snitching only takes place in the street.

The street of snitching.

When you partake in that activity, you're supposed to be a code.

You and I do not partake in that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Well, there's also an NFL code.

Anything

inside that locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras or at home.

So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time.

Huh?

So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time.

Yeah, you should.

You just shouldn't snitch.

well how can

that

listen

we we gotta live by a code if we don't live by a code what are we living for so we got so the locker room got the same code as the street yes yeah what you mean yeah it's the same

it's the same

you gotta live by the code

I'm just saying.

Yeah, you gotta live by the code, huh?

And listen, listen, it's an unwritten rule, too.

Somebody didn't even have to explain it.

You just understand and know in that environment what you can and cannot do.

But

as a quarterback in the NFL or as a coach in the NFL, there are things that you can and cannot do.

Thank you.

That's all I want to hear.

We'll move on.

Thank you, Ocho.

That's all I wanted you to say.

But then you have some people like myself that

choose to do the opposite.

Yes.

That's all I wanted you to say, Ocho.

I'm like, bitch, this man talking about, hey, I'll go up there.

But why can't a quarterback just put people on blast?

Why can't the quarterback?

Hey, Ocho, you know goodwill the quarterback can't do that.

When Cam Wood came out and said, I'm going to be honest with y'all,

man, we fucking ass.

Like, that was refreshing.

That was refreshing.

I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric, politically correct from the same goddamn school.

It was refreshing that tour told us the truth.

That guys be coming in late.

The guys be missing things.

It was refreshing.

No, it was not.

No, hey, that goddamn cam board.

Now that was some funny shit.

They asked Tour, what's going on?

All Tour said,

one of the reasons we might be, we got to take it serious.

We got to make up our minds.

Are we going to come in on time?

Are the meetings that we schedule, are we going to attend them?

He was just being honest.

Yeah, I got you.

I got you.

Oh, shoot.

Now you got me thinking about that.

This man has told me, this man been telling me it's freshing.

It's a breath of fresh air.

It is.

But you didn't like it.

I don't know.

I don't.

But I understand.

You said you want it.

I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that come along with it.

Because.

I don't know, you know.

According to reports of SNY Network, Tyrod Taylor has the support of some people in the Jets building as their QB1 over Fields.

They feel like Justin was given the job without any competition.

Yes, he was.

Justin Fields got two years at 40 million and Tyrod got backup money.

Yes.

Hey, I'm mad things aren't working out, honestly, to be honest.

i i really thought i i really thought this would have been really really good finally justin fields you get your opportunity you get your team you get to be quarterback number one you don't have to look over your shoulder you don't have to worry about you know russell wilson or or you know being pulled understand whenever you come

yeah chicago things and go i i'm like god damn finally he gets his team

he goes to a place where they actually want him correct where they actually want him and that's one of the greatest feelings in the world

and for some reason obviously it just hadn't panned out it hadn't panned out the way it should

as as good as justin feels is i've seen the flashes of brilliance from him whether it be throwing the ball whether it be you know running the ball and or escaping the pocket and just just extending plays I mean, he can do it.

You just have to find a way to

string all those qualities together consistently over and over.

Look, Tyrod is not the athletic phenom that he's not.

I mean, Tyrod, when he came into the league now, Tyrod was athletic.

Remember him at Virginia Tech.

Now, he can go now.

He was the backup to Joe Flacco when they won the championship.

He took Buffalo to the playoffs.

Tyrod can play.

Absolutely can.

He can play.

And so I agree with you.

But for whatever reason,

it hasn't clicked yet for Justin Fields.

It still takes a while for him to process it, Ocho.

And you know, at this level, at that level in which he's playing at, what you and I played at,

that clock's got to go off.

Guys, they're going to be running scot-free.

Guys are not going to be running scot-free.

You got to throw guys open.

You got to throw with great anticipatory skills.

And right now, it's just like he's glitching.

Bro, you can't hold on to that ball, bro.

This ain't 707.

They're coming.

Dang.

I think.

I think they give him a couple more games, Ocho.

I do.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean,

it's too soon to pull a plug right now.

Ocho, I'm not going 0-9 and not make changes.

I've got to make some changes.

But what are they right now?

They're 0-6.

I go to 0-7, 0-8.

Come on, Ocho.

What you you want me to do?

Go 0-15 before I make a move?

What's the next three games?

And you know, once you make that move,

if you go from Justin Phils to Tyrod Taylor,

that just erases and scratches everything as far as him.

I'm trying to win games.

Okay.

I'm talking about the future.

Panthers.

Okay.

Bingles.

Browns.

Shit.

That's tough.

It's either now or never.

He won't get an easier stretch.

Easier?

He won't get an easier stretch.

Did you just hit a second?

How many games have the Panthers won?

Two, three?

They're three and three, right?

Did you just see that the Panthers demolish the Cowboys or no?

They're three and three.

Okay, what are the Bengals?

Two and four.

What's Cleveland?

Two and four.

Browns are one and five.

Browns are one and five.

So you got a three and three, a two and four, and a one and five.

Now, give me the next three.

They got a chance of winning one out of those three because they ain't beating the Pancers or the Bengals.

Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins.

Okay, they might be the Dolphins.

Hell, they might be the Ravens.

Nah, Lamar will be back by then.

Hey, if things don't go well, do you even bring Lamar back at all, or you just let him let him?

Yeah, okay, spending $50 million, you damn right I'm bringing it back.

Okay,

hey, no, no chance at the playoffs.

I mean, who said they ain't got no chance at the playoffs?

I'm just saying, if they don't, depending on when he comes back, if they well, I mean, look, they're on the bye week this week, so

this will be three weeks, almost four weeks a month.

How severe was the hamstring injury?

Yeah, oh, well, he'd be back next, he'll be back next week then.

james franklin is required to look for another job in coaching or broadcasting according to the copy of the penn state contract

obtained by front office sport if franklin's new job pays him less than the 8 million he's owed annually through 2031 penn state only owes him the difference so he's required

I don't know why he put that in his contract.

Crazy.

I don't know why his agent let him.

His agent couldn't have been Jimmy Sexton.

Because ain't no way Jimmy Sexton let you put that in your contract.

Right.

Hell to the no.

You fired me.

Don't worry about what I'm going to do.

I'm going to draw the pension from you.

That's what I'm going to do.

That's it.

I'm going to worry about my check.

Everything else ain't your business.

Exactly.

Definitely ain't.

That's unfortunate.

You never want to see anybody lose their job, but

that sucks.

Now you got to pick up and leave.

You didn't been there for a while.

See, that's why I couldn't coach, man.

Did Jimmy let him put that in there?

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

But hell.

No, I'm on Jim.

Who was Jimbo Fisher's agent?

That he got 80, that he got 80 million and he ain't got to do nothing.

Out of y'all.

Jimbo gave him nothing.

I mean, you see Kirby Smart's buyout is 118 million.

God, well, listen, Kirby Smart

won't be in that position no time soon.

Ain't no way.

What happened?

He got, I mean, Jimmy Sexton is the coach's guy.

I mean, probably, what, you say, 70% of the coaches?

Probably 70% of the coaches, Jimmy Sexton represents them.

Oh, okay.

Nah, I ain't looking for no job.

You want Jimmy to represent us?

You sure you don't want to put your hand in the hat, put your hat in there?

Hired who, Jimmy?

Oh, oh, Barstool gonna hire him for $1.

dollar so they owe him seven million nine hundred ninety nine thousand

that's funny work one day a week that's funny but i'm not ocho we've been talking about this for like the last three weeks yeah yeah and i'm not surprised by this and i and they're penn state they was just in the college football playoffs i said i get all that i said but go back and look at his record against top 10 teams yeah He's beaten one top 10 team in the Big Ten since he's arrived.

That was in 2016.

He beat Ohio State.

He's 4-21.

The athletic director

specifically stated against

big games.

You can't win big games.

Now you losing to Northwestern.

Now you losing to UCLA, who hadn't led all season long,

hadn't won any games.

Yeah, you got to go.

Yeah, that sucks, man.

You got to go.

That sucks.

That That sucks.

You got to go.

I hate to see people lose their job.

I do too.

Oh, Joe, but when you know when you coaching, there's volatility in coaching.

Coaching is just like the military or being

a Pentecostal minister.

You know, you got to move around.

Even if you got to move around, Penn State, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia.

Penn State,

let's say, you know, Oregon or any of those ACC or SEC teams,

they're just better.

They got better players.

They were a reason they were 4-21.

There's a reason you only beat Ohio State one time since 2016.

They say we've invested 500 million in upgrades to Beaver Stadium.

We paid top dollar for defensive coordinator.

We paid top dollar to keep some of

these upperclassmen.

And no, no, no, we're not going for it.

You're Penn State.

Yeah.

You're Penn State.

You're basing everything off the name.

You're the Dallas Cowboys.

Now, what's that gotten you in the past 30 years?

Jerry, see, here's the thing.

Jerry is great at marketing.

Penn State say, nah.

And here's the thing, Ocho.

You know, those uniforms.

I mean, bro.

You got black pleats.

You ain't got no name on the back of your jersey.

I mean, I don't know.

Do they got names on the back back of their jersey no it's plain penn state uniform is plain white white helmets come on bro how you sell that

when you getting haircut you can get a haircut in oregon in the locker room

you get 50 different you get 50 different you get 50 different uniforms

and you get to keep them all right but how you compete with that How you compete with Ohio State with what they got going on?

Michigan and Georgia and the Alabama and the Texas and the Texas A ⁇ M.

But I'm paying you, Jane Franklin making eight million dollars, so they paying him like he's a big-time coach.

You got to deliver, Ocho.

It's only

that coaching only take you so far.

Well, you should, what you should have said, you know what?

You know what?

Don't pay me this because I can't, I can't deliver like that.

So don't give me no 10-year extension.

You take their money, there's an expectation.

You know what happens, Ocho, when you take the money, there's an expectation of what?

Every time results must follow.

Every time.

but

that's what comes along with it.

And coaching, you get into coaching?

Yeah, I see.

That's why we should do it.

I'm telling you.

Oh, no, I'm good.

Time for our final segment of the evening.

It's time for Q and A.

Hey, man, we could be like a package kid.

Go ahead.

No, I'm just saying.

You should about go ahead.

Ain't nobody else ain't got nobody else.

No, I want to.

I like snitching.

D-Tun said, Ocho is right, Unc.

You can be authentic without snitching.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That's what I'm talking about.

You're a real one.

You cannot be.

If you are a coach or a quarterback at the highest levels, you cannot be authentic.

Hold on, Unc.

I was authentic.

You play quarterback?

Damn near.

okay

I believe the Broncos have the team to go all the way to the Super Bowl let's go Broncos 84 should be retired Kevin I mean we look we got to play a little better offensively but it seems to me if I had to guess Sean Payton was very conservative saying look if we don't put the ball in harm's way they can't drive the beaters you see that off it offense over there it's anemic it's pathetic it's pedestrian so with that being said they're gonna have to play a lot better uh Sunday against the Giants because that performance that they put on the field offensively will not

get it done Sunday against the Giants.

Oh, Joe, Pitt, Cincinnati, you owe me that jersey from last year's bet.

I'll let you slide because you're having a rough season.

It's going to get worse.

Over under two and a half, 2.5, how many tackles will Jamar Chase have on Thursday?

None.

Because we're going to win that game.

We're definitely going to win this game.

A division rival.

Steelers coming in.

Thursday night.

You know, crowd going wet, going crazy.

It's going to be about 40 degrees.

You know, it gets cold in Pittsburgh, too.

Oh, yeah.

I know.

I know.

I know.

So I don't think the weather is going to have an impact.

Let's see.

Who do I want?

I want Aaron Rodgers.

I want Joe Flacco.

Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco.

Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco.

Oh, so is that how you feel?

Is that how you feel?

Okay.

Okay.

And you're only saying that

because Aaron Rodgers is playing well right now.

Yo guy hadn't played well in a while since the Super Bowl in 2012.

Okay.

I just saw my guy have

a 17-plate drive.

down the field after halftime and he only been there for 17 minutes.

He's been on our team for 17 minutes and he took our team down the field and drove.

He'll look worse on Thursday, trust me.

Let's bet.

Okay, well, now I don't want to bet, but no, I don't want to bet.

TS Car Washington Detail Service, y'all had Bling, Bling on

yesterday night.

Will Russ ever play an NFL game again?

Yeah,

of course.

I mean,

hell,

I think he's better than Flacco.

That's just me personally.

I'm trying to think.

Question is, is he okay being a backup?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you have to know your role as you get further into your career, as you get older.

You understand you can't do the the things you you once did when you were young you're not in that position anymore

i get it yeah see that's how you think it but let me ask you a question tell me what quarterback thinks like that

hey and that's the hard part and knowing knowing when the journey is over and knowing when you're not the main character

knowing

you still ain't told me the quarterback that thinks like that considering the man got 300 plus touchdown passes he's won won a Super Bowl, he's been to eight Pro Bowls.

Hey, that resume looks beautiful.

Yeah,

and you think he's gonna be okay being a backup, huh?

Hey,

hey, I mean, listen,

reality has to set in at some point.

It just does, it just does.

And if you agree,

if you don't believe it, they'll show you.

How about that?

And they've showed him.

Oh, you still think you're a starter?

Well, let me show you why you're not.

And, you know, he got 8 million.

A lot of backups.

Now that thing finna go down, that thing finna go down to like 2 or 3 million.

Damn.

And 2 or 3 million by the time you move your family, get the family all up there, get a place that's big enough

worth it.

I don't know where Russ wants to live.

I don't know if he wants to live in Seattle or he wants to live in.

I don't even know where Russ is from.

I don't know where Sierra's from.

But

I don't know.

Patrick Donovan, Ocho, let's bet.

Loser shaves his eyebrows.

Hashtag Steelers.

Steelers are rumored to get Tyreek now that that can't happen.

Maybe go after A.J.

Brown.

Ocho, if I get my eyebrows, can I get a signed jersey?

I get your jersey, but I ain't playing my eyebrows.

You ain't got no eyebrows.

I do.

Hold on.

Hey, J-Dubb, you hear that?

He wants to get that man a jersey, but won't give you your jersey.

J-Dubb, you might do something bad to Ocho.

Hey, whatever you want to do, let me know.

I'm here.

JJ Carver said, Ocho really dressed up as

his shadow.

Ocho dressed up like an intern YN.

Yeah, yeah.

I tell you, I went to the concert, McKee.

I had a good time with the kids.

Bia says, now, Uncle Ocho, tell me with a straight face that Bijan, not the best running back in the league this year.

Rise up.

Yeah, yeah, you're getting no debate from us right now.

He is.

We said that earlier.

I mean, you know, he and Jonathan Taylor.

Jonathan Taylor has been putting up stats, too.

I don't know if you noticed it, but he leading the league in Russia.

But yeah, Bijan has been phenomenal this year.

Yeah, he's outplayed.

He's outplayed C-Mac.

He's outplayed Derrick Henry.

He's outplayed Saquon.

Right now, it's just he and Jonathan Taylor.

Casey Taylor said, oh, I need you to copy and paste this message to Weezy F.

Yo, Weezy.

I know you know if you, Drake and Barbie release a trio album only, y'all would do numbers on numbers.

Weezy, I need it, Weezy.

We need it.

F is for flawless.

Yeah, I know Weezy.

Weezy ain't listening to me when it comes to no music.

Who the hell am I?

He listened to me.

You know, we collab before.

King me said, Lord, have mercy.

LA and the Mariners for the World Series.

Good pitching tonight.

It looked like the Dodgers are going to go.

They're going to win again.

They just won last year.

Going to win again.

You see who they got?

Johe, Mookie, Freddie Freeman.

Hernandez.

Boy, good, boy.

Yeah.

Drew, Freddie Freeman as a playoff monster let's go dodgers here did they win again

i sure hate atlanta let it let brady go

brady was freddy frady was the uh uh uh the braves chipper he was chipper you know

what happened i fell

on that turf over there yeah

Hey, I ain't felt that in about 13 years.

Boy, I hit that shower.

Yeah,

you don't know a lot of bumps and brews you got to that adrenaline where after you get that damn water hit that water hit it

Jason Zeldorf said dart is a dog we coming for the nfc east crown we putting foot to you know where next week against the broncos dart is way better than feels

hey i can't

scatter but we're gonna run past sir tate over

boy please

we got something for that for scatterboat

yep oh yeah.

All right.

I ain't got nothing for Scat Pack.

All right.

Desmond Wilson, rise up.

Falcons look good tonight.

Can y'all

shout out my brother, man, Zach Frazier?

Zach,

yeah, Falcons did look good.

I'll give it to them.

They look good.

Bijon ran the ball well.

Drake London was catching it.

Penix threw the ball well.

Defense got after Josh Allen.

Sacked him several times.

Did a great job stopping the run initially.

But yeah, they played well.

Picked them off twice.

Rise up, Falcons.

Dylan Mitchell, Uncle Ocho.

Do you believe the 2019 LSU Tigers with Burrow, Jeddah, and Jamar could beat the 2016 Browns?

Is it possible for

you tripping, man?

Hell no.

Boy.

Alex Alex M said,

how did you hit Slade so hard that you knocked yourself out?

Yeah, I knocked both of us out.

I did.

But

I hit it with

my head.

I should have just caught it with that flipper.

Who you hit?

Chris Slade on a Monday night.

JJ, please tell people how good that

0-1 UM team.

That might be the best team in college football history.

Go back and look at those guys.

Y'all do realize Sean Taylor was special teams.

Andrell Rowe.

They had Antrell Rose.

They had

Philip Buchanan.

They had Clinton Porters, Frank Gore, Willis McGahy.

They had Jeremy Shocky.

They had K2.

They had another tight end that ended up going to the NFL.

I think it was Everett.

I think he went to Buffalo.

Man, look at that offense.

Brian McKinney.

Yeah, they were loaded, boy.

McDougal, they had

nose tackle.

Vince.

Vince Wolford.

Yeah.

They had like 16 first rounders on that team.

Stupid.

Stupid, stupid.

All of the linebackers, Vilma, DB's, everything.

Williams.

Yeah.

They was loaded.

Brilliant Carter.

Y'all remember Cortland versus Andre Lord.

Yes.

But see, that was in the field of play.

Now, had they did that in the field of play, they probably would have got ejected, got fired, boom.

But afterwards,

every so often.

David Amos, my Pats are coming.

The Pats do look good.

The Pats do look good.

And guess what?

Buffalo do not look invincible anymore.

And they've already gone to Buffalo and beat them once.

Saucy D.

Speaking on what Tua said, Jerry Goff said last year after the loss to the Commanders, he couldn't sleep at night for a month.

A month?

Bro, I still ain't got over the loss to Jacksonville.

That'd been damn near 30 years ago.

And I won three Super Bowls and got a gold jacket.

They shouldn't have beat us.

All right, so Noah,

what do you do if referees call an AK cheating the game like they did in the Bears versus the Commanders?

I didn't notice any calls.

Maybe I missed it.

Guys, y'all got to stop thinking just because y'all lose the refs cheating.

Question for Ocho.

Start bitch cut.

CBS Unk, Fox Unk, ESP, and Unk.

Oh, yes.

Start Fox Unk.

Yeah, Fox Go ahead, Ocho.

Yeah, Fox Fox Unk, definitely starting.

And what was it?

Trade?

No, start, bench, cut.

Yeah, I'm a bench ESPN.

And I'm going to cut CAA, boy.

Yeah, babe.

Yeah, I'm a day.

I show babe.

Yeah,

Fox let me act up.

Pure food, let my hair down.

Oh, yeah.

Saucy, across all sports, who are three athletes that you enjoyed watching in your life.

Oh,

I may go Neymar

Mayweather.

Damn

Jokovich.

I will say Alcaraz, but I'm I'm gonna go with Jokovich.

Uh, LeBron,

Serena,

that's a good one

Boat.

Oh,

that's a really good one,

sir.

Case, my guys, when it's all said and done for Aaron Rodgers, what will be three words that sums up his career?

One of the greatest throwers of the ball, no matter what you say, whether you like him, whether you don't.

Yes,

He was

sensational

I still don't understand how he didn't win more championships

with the teams that he's had some good ones some really good ones man that mofo they went up against some good ones as well

but you can't lose to Jimmy Garoppolo

You can't lose to, you had the better team and you were at home and you lost to Brady and

you can't.

You can't.

But he's one of the, he's going to go down as one of the 10 best quarterbacks to ever play.

I don't think you can put him over.

Obviously, you can't put him over Brady.

You can't put him over Manny.

But

he was phenomenal.

He is as gifted at throwing the football, rolling left, rolling right from the pocket.

He can charm things.

He can change arm slots.

And he threw a beautiful ball.

I still don't know how he didn't win more of Joe.

Thursday night.

About to be an O-bowl with Flacco and Rogers.

Yeah, because Rogers is about to be 41 and Flacco is 40, right?

Yep.

Yep, Flacco is 40.

John Tavius Collier, can you give my brother Tracy

a shout out for his birthday?

He has the same birthday as your daughter.

Absolutely, Tracy.

Your brother Jonathan wants to give you a shout-out.

Happy early birthday.

Yep, your birthday is the same day as my oldest, Kayla.

I'm sorry, baby.

No birthday gifts this year.

All you get is, daddy love you.

Chill coffee say, how long do you think Tua remains the starter this year?

Well, I think he's going to be the starter this year.

The question is, how much long is he going to remain in Miami?

Almost Zach Wilson time.

No, I don't think,

I don't think they.

Nah, they won't do that.

Nah.

I'm just talking.

But But the question is, Ocho, how much longer does he remain in?

Not that I don't know.

Yeah.

That's going to be very interesting.

Yeah.

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with a walk-off field goal beat the Commanders 25-24 and the Atlanta Falcons beat the Buffalo Bills by 10 to move to 3-2 as the Bills fall to 4-2 by a score of 21 excuse me 24-14 Atlanta Bijan Robinson had himself a day 19 carries a buck 70 and a touchdown and also chipped in with six catches for 68 yards.

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