Nightcap Hour 2: Dave East TALKS New Album Karma 4 + Mike Tomlin's OUT OF CHARACTER comments on Browns TRADING Flacco

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Speaker 8 We'll get back to that. Now it's time to welcome in Grammy-nominated rapper.
They tell me he's a great hooper. They say he's one of the best hoopers in the rap game.
They say, hey, when he come up,

Speaker 8 everybody all of a sudden they can't find his shoes.

Speaker 8 He has an album coming out, Karma 4, that will be released actually on my daughter's birthday. 10, 15, 25.

Speaker 8 Here he is, Dave East Dave what it do bro what up my boy I'm good man I'm good we got oh Joe ojo what up nothing chilling man chilling man what's good everything good yeah everything healthy bro

Speaker 8 I'm looking at the karma four features collaborations Mipsey hustle with Khalifa you got Larry June Key Glock Mozzie Jeremiah Jaquis Mano tell us a little bit about the album what makes this album so special for you um it's my first official independent joint you know i mean i've been signed since I came in the game like 2015.

Speaker 8 I was signed with Nas early on.

Speaker 8 I went on the Def Jam.

Speaker 8 So it feel good to put it all together myself. And the last call my dropped was 2020.
So it's been five years since I did that, touched into that series. So it feel good.

Speaker 23 Yeah. Hey, when it comes to making an album, especially when you have collaboration like you do, how difficult is it to have everybody on the same page? You know, hey, listen,

Speaker 23 I need a verse.

Speaker 8 i need you to do this sing you the beat how difficult is it to complete an album of this magnitude when we have collabs like that oh it's yeah it's yeah no it take a while you know what i mean because everybody got different schedules everybody running around doing whatever they doing so right i would say the hardest part is just the time you know what i mean like i had i had

Speaker 8 It was a few features I had that got right at the end. You know what I'm saying? Like right before I turned it out.
I'm like, thank you, bro. Like, you know know i'm saying but

Speaker 8 um i would say overall everybody that i worked with on this album i got a a personal relationship with so um it was nothing was forced you know what i mean it was it was all natural everybody got back to me when they could it was it was love and that's always nice to have a personal relationship because is it like when you with a uh uh a big

Speaker 8 studio they reach out and do a lot of this for you and because like okay hey such and such you know sony epic or whoever capital records or whatever the case may be But now because you say, I got a personal relationship, hey, you just pick up the phone and hit them your damn self.

Speaker 8 That's a fact. That's 100% fact.
I ain't got no middleman with that. The artwork for Karma 4 is an homage to Tupac's iconic Vag magazine cover shoot, which recently celebrated its 30th anniversary.

Speaker 8 Who are some of the like, obviously, when you do this, like the Tupac thing, so obviously Tupac was a big inspiration for you. But who's some of the other inspirations?

Speaker 8 Who are some of the rappers you're like, okay, I kind of like, I kind kind of like their style i kind of like their beat um growing up i was a big big pun fan okay um

Speaker 8 i was a of course nas hove

Speaker 8 um dmx dmx really probably made me feel like

Speaker 8 i i wanted to like write my own rap i would probably i would get at the dmx god bless his soul um

Speaker 8 It was a lot back then for me, like just coming up. I never was really in a box.
I listened to Snoop, Dog Pam.

Speaker 8 i listened to outcast in atlanta i listened to basically everything that was coming out of new york rough riders all of that dip set um

Speaker 8 i got i got a uh an ear for a lot you know i mean so i think me growing up and

Speaker 8 paying attention to all of them different styles it it gave me my style like musically you know i mean the cover was that your idea or was that well you independent now so it had to be your idea it wasn't it wasn't like it was a record

Speaker 8 you know what that was my, so my, that was my cousin Chet. He's a die hard.
Like, I love Pac. I got Pac tatted on me.
But he's a die hard, die hard. Like, you know, every lyric.

Speaker 8 He knows all the unreleased shit that nobody never heard. Like, he's a Pac, Pac fan, you feel me? So one day we in the studio chopping it up.

Speaker 8 And he said, yo, I got a, I got a record on the album called Crazy. He was like, yo, for that video, I'm going to put on the straight.
And he kind of looked like Pac. He got the ball.

Speaker 8 He reminded me of Pac, my cousin. But he like, yo, I'm going to do do the straight jacket in the video you know what i'm saying and we're gonna we're gonna recreate the pac i'm like yeah

Speaker 8 nah i'm gonna put the straight jacket on like i so i basically kind of took his idea with you took his idea you know what i mean but i i i um i remember that vibe that that that issue when pac was on that cover um

Speaker 8 me and pac got a lot of similarities i believe just in just uh

Speaker 8 beyond the just the music to the acting, the Gemini.

Speaker 8 I just got a lot of connections to Tupac. And I felt like with me being independent now and

Speaker 8 a lot of the things I've been through,

Speaker 8 it's enough to drive you to the edge. You know what I'm saying? And I think I balanced it well.
So I really wanted to pay homage to Tupac with the cover.

Speaker 8 That's basically what the gist of that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Hey,

Speaker 8 go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 23 Wait, now I was going to say, when it comes to

Speaker 23 the era of music that we're in now, the sound, the way people rap. Obviously, when you think about New York rappers, you think about lyricists, you know.

Speaker 23 Actually, being able to understand what everybody is saying. You have an ear for the game.
You've been in the game for a very long time.

Speaker 23 Is it easy to

Speaker 23 stay

Speaker 23 true to being a lyricist, being that you're from New York,

Speaker 23 or wanting to adjust to the sound of how music is right now or the time that we're in? It changes every 10 years.

Speaker 8 I think in any lane, you got to be able to,

Speaker 8 you know,

Speaker 8 add, add whatever's going on

Speaker 8 to what you got going on. That's the word I was looking for.
You got to be able to adapt. Yeah.
Because I think if you don't adapt, then your sound becomes dated. Your sound becomes the old.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? Nobody wants to be the old. So I think with me,

Speaker 8 I got to do it my way. I got to stick to what I know, stick to what I love.

Speaker 8 But my ear is always to the streets, to what's going on today you know what i mean so production wise what i'm talking about uh the lingo oh i'm i'm up to date with all of that with what the kids is talking about you know what i mean like so i'm gonna always add that into the music and what i'm talking about on the songs you know i'm saying so the the kids that might be 10 to 15 20 years younger than me they can still be like oh i know what he's talking about you know

Speaker 8 Okay, okay.

Speaker 8 Dave, but the thing is, it's really tough to adapt because you have a sound and people are used to that sound.

Speaker 8 And a lot of times when people try to get out of that box, people are like, man, I don't like the old Davies. I don't like this new Davies.

Speaker 8 And so you have to walk a tightrope of like giving the people the original, the OG Davies that they're used to hearing while trying to sprinkle some new flavor in because it is a fine line because you hear a lot of time, man, I like the old sound better than this news.

Speaker 8 All the time. All the time.

Speaker 8 But you know what I tell people to that, bro? I feel like

Speaker 8 with music, for me, I can only speak for myself. With music, it's like,

Speaker 8 what am I going through at that time?

Speaker 8 Where is my life at that time? So a lot of that, a lot of times people like the music. When I was still living in the projects, I was broke.
I was trying to figure it out.

Speaker 8 I ain't had no jewelry. I ain't had no cars.

Speaker 8 So I might have sounded like I was starving. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, when I go back and listen to it,

Speaker 8 I don't really hear too much of a difference besides my voice, my tone of my voice. I got older.

Speaker 8 But I feel like with that,

Speaker 8 you can never, like, you can't have the same child twice. You know what I mean? Like, that's how I kind of treat it.
Like, and each one of my bodies of work, it's like a, it's like a kid.

Speaker 8 Like, you know what I mean? Like, I put a certain amount of time into that project. I was emotionally going through this during this project.
Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Like, I can't recreate those feelings.

Speaker 8 I can't recreate people that might have died and was around me while I was making that music and the energy i was getting off of them and now they're not around them you know i mean so it's like yeah people don't know absolutely that it takes to putting into the music you know what i mean so um yeah i think it's just growth bro like and the people that really really rock with me they grow with me you know what i mean like as as time go on they grow with me you played college ball at the university of richmond transferred to towson um

Speaker 8 clearly did you did you have hoop dreams or was it like you know what were you rapping and hooping at the same time?

Speaker 8 I never thought I was going to be no rapper.

Speaker 8 I never seen that.

Speaker 8 I thought the league, that's all my moms, my pops, my grandma.

Speaker 8 You know, by the time I made it to college playing ball, that's all I had been

Speaker 8 pushing up to that point. Like my family was behind it.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that just went left. You know what I mean? But the talent was there.
I was blessed with all of the height, everything. God gave me all the tools I needed to play basketball.

Speaker 8 You know what I'm saying? It was just my mindset at 17, 18 years old. It wasn't.
It wasn't what it needed to be. You wasn't disciplined and structured.
100%.

Speaker 8 So who's your team?

Speaker 8 In what? In basketball.

Speaker 8 In the NBA? Oh,

Speaker 8 man.

Speaker 23 Nicks, Nicks.

Speaker 8 I gotta go. I gotta go next, man.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 I gotta go big and wild, bro. I gotta go next.

Speaker 8 They'll let you down they they done let me down a lot in my lifetime you know i've been here a little while all your life your entire lifetime

Speaker 8 you're not

Speaker 8 some of your lifetime you're

Speaker 8 yeah they've been my pops can remember last time they you know i mean they got that joints so yeah but i'm a i'm a uh i'm a knick fan bro i'll be i'm at the games i rep them you know i mean i'm i'm i'm right i'm gonna ride with new york Because everybody, when we talk, when I talk, I've interviewed a lot of

Speaker 8 guys on Club Shay Shea. We have guys here on Nightcap, and every name come up.

Speaker 8 They talk about rappers who, they talk, man, Davey's, man. Davey's got real game for real.
Oh, with the basketball.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I was talking to Herbo. I was talking to Chris Breezy.
I was talking to Snoop. I was talking to.

Speaker 8 I was talking to everybody. Your name is the first name come up.
So I guess

Speaker 8 you be taking these rappers' money, Dave. Nah, you know what it is?

Speaker 8 I think, to be honest with you, bro, I think a lot of rappers, and I don't know nobody, like their background and their life and all that, but I think once they got on to whatever it is they got on, got their money,

Speaker 8 it became like a pastime for them, like a hobby. You know what I mean? Like something they do in their free time.
Now that they've made it, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 Before I ever thought about rapping or making a song,

Speaker 8 I was hoping. I was hoping.
You were hoping. I was hoping.
You know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 8 really, really,

Speaker 8 you know what I mean? I was on that. So I feel like that, and the fact that now they got footage out of me, somebody put it in the middle.
Because you can't swindle nobody now, huh?

Speaker 8 I'm a rapper now, man. I do the rap thing now, man.
I act a little bit here and there, but I fell in love with the music.

Speaker 8 Basketball broke my heart, man. I gave basketball mad years.

Speaker 8 It didn't go how I wanted it to go. So I had to hurry up and find something else.
You know what I mean? To kind of save face. Like my moms and them was like, what you going to do now? Like,

Speaker 8 you blew that opportunity. What's you gonna do? I mean, so I'm thankful for this music, bro.
I'm real thankful for it.

Speaker 8 Who's your football team?

Speaker 8 The G's, man, the Giants. Oh, yo, hey.
Okay, and I just went to the U.S.

Speaker 8 And we just, we just, we just beat the birds, man. You know what I'm saying? We just packed them up.
So, you know what I mean? I felt, I was actually in attendance for that win. I felt good.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Hey, y'all know y'all come to my high this week, though, Dave. You know, it ain't gonna go too well for y'all, man.
Oh, y'all play the Broncos. There you go.

Speaker 8 There you go.

Speaker 8 You were recently on a part of Cassanette's Mafia, Mafia Thon 3. So

Speaker 8 what's it like? That was dope, man.

Speaker 8 Like, even with that, like, y'all was just asking me, how do you keep

Speaker 8 adapt to what's going on? Like, that dreaming world is a whole new. He's a whole different animal.
That wasn't even going on when I came in. I ain't been in it that long, but that's super

Speaker 8 new. And it got all the kids in the headlock, down to my daughter.
That's they was tuned into that, like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 I'm like, I put out stuff all the time, they don't care nothing about it. The cash did not come on, you know what I mean.
I'm like, damn, but that was a dope opportunity for me. Uh,

Speaker 8 and I just saluted, I was, I was, the energy in that in that crib was fire, like they just like they living like how you would want to live as a kid, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Like, if you could just be big, grown, they grown ass kids, you know what I mean? Like, you could just you and all your homies in a big ass mansion, doing whatever y'all feel like doing.

Speaker 8 I think it's dope, bro. I think it's super dope.

Speaker 8 For them to invite me up there and let me do my thing up there. That was dope.

Speaker 23 That's live.

Speaker 8 His album, Karma 4, will be released on Wednesday, the 15th.

Speaker 8 You got features with Nipsey Hustle, Wiz Khalifa's, Larry June, Key Glock, Mozy, Jeremiah, Jaque,

Speaker 8 just to name a few. Dave, thank you for joining us, man.
Best of luck on the album. Best of luck on being independent.

Speaker 8 Thank you for coming by, nightcap guys oh jordan i really appreciate that appreciate y'all man you know that all the time appreciate you

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Speaker 8 Mmm, yeah.

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Speaker 8 Dave East's new album, Karma 4, drops on Wednesday. That's Caleb's birthday.
Oh, Joe, the Titans have fired Brian Callahan just six games into his second season as head coach. His team was 4-19.

Speaker 8 The Titans were three and 14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting

Speaker 8 Cam Ward. With Callahan firing, the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall.
Six of the past eight

Speaker 8 seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season. Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflus, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan.
Ocho?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 23 It's not the coaches. It's not the coaches.
It's the owners. Hey, chat, stay with me real quick and understand this.
The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right?

Speaker 23 The owners are businessmen, huh?

Speaker 23 And the stuff that they do, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football in the business world, the one way to fix it is you throw money at it.

Speaker 23 You throw money at it and that return on investment, it happens right away. When it comes to the game of football,

Speaker 23 this ain't a microwavable plate.

Speaker 23 You don't draft a quarterback, have a new coach, and put him out there on the field and think y'all are going to have success right away. That's not the way it works.

Speaker 23 That's never been the way it works. Now, sometimes you get a quarterback, like you get a C.J.
Shroud and you get lucky. You get a Jaden Daniels and you get lucky.

Speaker 23 You get a franchise-altering quarterback right away that changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win. But listen,

Speaker 23 Brian Callahan getting fired. Obviously, first year with Cam Ward,

Speaker 23 it's not the microwave. This ain't food.
You can't just put it in there and heat it up and all of a sudden

Speaker 23 you're going to have success. It just doesn't happen like that.
It never has.

Speaker 8 They don't have patience, OJo. They're not letting anything develop.
You know, I used to have a saying, I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch.

Speaker 8 There's a process in which an egg hatch into a chiclet.

Speaker 8 These are what these owners are doing. They're smashing the eggs.
They're not going to let it hatch. They fired the general manager.
They fired Brable. They fried Rand Carthon.

Speaker 8 And guess what? Now they fry Brian Callahan.

Speaker 23 What are they doing?

Speaker 8 They don't know.

Speaker 23 Do they do

Speaker 23 my point exactly? So obviously they're not football people. They're not, they're businessmen.

Speaker 8 They either.

Speaker 8 she is

Speaker 8 Amy Adams. Okay.

Speaker 8 I think the last, it's pronounced skunk. Skrunk.
Okay. Skrunk.

Speaker 8 Her father,

Speaker 8 Mr. Bud Adams.

Speaker 23 Bud Adams. Yeah, okay.
I know who that is. I know who that is.

Speaker 8 He passed away and turned it over to her. I don't know how involved she was

Speaker 8 at the time.

Speaker 8 So you inherit this business, and if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it. You're trusting other people to run the business.

Speaker 8 Now, at least when Jerry passes away, hopefully, that's not for another hundred years. His kids have been in the business from day one, so they're going to understand how this business works.

Speaker 8 So, they have been a part of it since he purchased the team in 1989.

Speaker 8 They've been a part of it. I don't know how involved she was

Speaker 8 with it.

Speaker 8 So,

Speaker 8 and you're trusting other people.

Speaker 8 I don't know how involved they were with it. So

Speaker 8 it's tough, Ojo. It's tough.
And it's not like

Speaker 8 another business. Because, Ocho, if your business is not doing well,

Speaker 8 you just don't sell it.

Speaker 23 You just don't scrap your, start buying the CEO, start finding the vp the coo you don't start finding a whole bunch of people you give it time yeah you have to you don't have a choice you have like but but those that are in positions of power i don't think they understand how the game of football works you're drafting number one for a reason yeah you're terrible you're drafting number one for a reason that quarterback is going to have his ups and his downs yes

Speaker 23 I mean, that's just the nature of the business.

Speaker 8 But they say it's what, but these young quarterbacks go into dysfunctional franchises if they was functional he wouldn't be there

Speaker 8 what the hell there's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first right

Speaker 8 you're bad

Speaker 8 how would that be fair that kansas city win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft the eagles win the champ win the super bowl they get the first pick of the draft we talked about this the other day is that the Lakers won the championship in 82 and guess what they got?

Speaker 8 They got to select James Word, the number one overall. Okay, how is that fair?

Speaker 8 Right,

Speaker 23 damn, yes, no.

Speaker 8 So, normally, the best, so normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up.

Speaker 8 If we just put the worst, the best players on the best teams, they would stay bad.

Speaker 8 I just, I, I,

Speaker 8 they just

Speaker 8 they're not going to give it time, ocho. They're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks.

Speaker 8 These quarterbacks are going to be getting three million dollars. Three, excuse me, 300 million.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 8 And so there's like, but this is the problem.

Speaker 23 This is the problem that scares me. If you only gave Callahan two years, right?

Speaker 23 You get you drafted Cam Ward. I'm not sure how much time he, I'm not sure how much,

Speaker 23 how many years are in this rookie deal. Do you have the patience?

Speaker 8 They got four plus to 50 option.

Speaker 23 Do you have the patience with him

Speaker 8 as well?

Speaker 23 So

Speaker 23 I don't know. Stuff like that scares me.
It scares me, especially when you fire a coach that early, knowing that you're drafting or you're picking in a position you're picking for a reason.

Speaker 23 Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change a goddamn thing.

Speaker 8 I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 a Baker Mayfield wasn't uh um Freddie K fired during Baker's rookie year right

Speaker 8 so it this is not this is not new this has been going on you go back the last you go back the last decade plus and go back and look at the number one overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year

Speaker 8 because a lot of times he was there uh uh the year before and they get the working quarterback and they get you gotta go

Speaker 8 yeah okay hue hugh jack okay

Speaker 8 okay

Speaker 8 so see

Speaker 8 it's this is this is not this is not something new yeah it's been going on but i think now we're starting like damn

Speaker 8 what do you expect from a team that that let derrick henry go you didn't get anything for him and you traded away aj brown for trilling brook uh burks

Speaker 8 and now he's in the dark he's in the he was in Denver, I think, today or last week working out. So do you think that is a team that is equipped?

Speaker 23 No.

Speaker 8 You let Derrick Henry walk out the door scot-free. You traded AJ Brown.

Speaker 8 You had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable. Yeah.
And you fired him.

Speaker 23 Damn.

Speaker 23 Who's going to be the next coach?

Speaker 8 Well, Mike McCoy

Speaker 8 was on the staff. So he's taking over.
He was the head coach at

Speaker 8 the Chargers.

Speaker 23 So he's the interim.

Speaker 8 He was the offensive coordinator in Denver when the Denver went to that Super Bowl and they got the doors blown off him.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 I think there was San Diego then.

Speaker 8 They went to the playoffs his first year, but then he ended up losing his job. So he's the interim

Speaker 8 coach at this point in time.

Speaker 8 I just don't think

Speaker 8 they have an idea. You trade your best player, the best coach you've had in a very, very long time.
You fire him. You've gone through two, three general managers in a span of five years.

Speaker 8 That's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program.

Speaker 8 I just don't.

Speaker 8 I don't know if they're going to get it right this time around either, Joe.

Speaker 23 Well, listen, listen,

Speaker 23 if they don't don't get it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see what we can come away with.

Speaker 23 Get us a little opportunity. You know,

Speaker 23 hey, listen, we could diversify our portfolio.

Speaker 8 No, I'm good. My portfolio is diversified.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 8 It don't hurt to add a little more now.

Speaker 23 Can you imagine Shannon Sharp,

Speaker 23 manager, Tennessee Titans?

Speaker 8 I've made it abundantly clear. I want no part.

Speaker 8 I want to cover the NFL in this capacity. I don't want to work for for an organization.
Okay. In any capacity.
Okay.

Speaker 8 Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns and general manager Andrew Berry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bingles. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Mike T had to say.

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Speaker 8 You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.

Speaker 8 Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us

Speaker 8 because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.

Speaker 8 But that's just my personal feelings.

Speaker 8 Look, Mike T don't, that's not his style. Mike T don't normally involve in the A.
He always say that's not us. That's not the Pittsburgh Steelers business.
Right. But

Speaker 8 why you why you think Mike T

Speaker 8 stepped out of character?

Speaker 23 Well, listen, they asked him a question. He asked him a question.
He gave him something different. He gave him something different.

Speaker 23 And obviously, even he has to always show face and be someone that he's truly not. You know what? I feel like being myself today.
I like that.

Speaker 23 One thing I told Young that I want coaches, I want players to obviously start doing. Sometimes I want them to tell the truth.
Sometimes I want them to say exactly how they feel.

Speaker 23 I want the locker room talk, the conversations that are had to be said in front of camera. Now, what he just said just there is something he would say if there were no cameras rolling.
I enjoyed that.

Speaker 23 That's authenticity.

Speaker 8 So you like what Tua said?

Speaker 8 Who? Tua.

Speaker 23 No, I don't like that part.

Speaker 8 That's authenticity.

Speaker 23 No, no, no. I don't like that.
See, listen,

Speaker 23 I'm not throwing nobody under the bus.

Speaker 8 You said you wanted authenticity.

Speaker 23 You're not listening to me. I don't like the snitching on people.
I don't like that part.

Speaker 8 You want authenticity. You get to pick and choose what's authentic.
If it's authentic, you want it. That's what you said, chat.
Is that what he's saying?

Speaker 23 Help me out, chat. You're confusing.

Speaker 23 Don't put authentic and snitching together.

Speaker 23 That's not together.

Speaker 23 I like Mike Thomas's answer because it's something most coaches or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera.

Speaker 23 So the fact that he did say it and it was out of character for him as a head coach means it's authentic. That's how he really feels.

Speaker 8 So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 23 What Tua did is Tua was snitching and throwing people under the bus that he got.

Speaker 8 Were they late? Were they late? Did they miss? Did he lie? I wouldn't know. What Tua said is what he would have said if the cameras weren't there.

Speaker 23 That's that's called snitching. Cameras are not.

Speaker 8 You said you want people to be authentic. Now you want them to be authentic sometimes.

Speaker 23 See, you're going from you're going from one spectrum to the other. So if we would talk about Tua, I would say that's snitching like I did yesterday.
But

Speaker 8 is that

Speaker 23 talking about Mike Tom?

Speaker 8 Is he being truthful? Is he being truthful?

Speaker 23 Yeah. Yeah.
Who?

Speaker 8 Tua.

Speaker 23 I don't know. We weren't there.
We don't know.

Speaker 8 Hold on.

Speaker 8 How can it be if

Speaker 8 he can't be snitching then? Hold on. We weren't there.
We weren't there. So he ain't snitching.

Speaker 23 No, he's snitching.

Speaker 8 How do you know you weren't there?

Speaker 23 Exactly. Because just the context and perspective of what I have to go off of you saying, what we should...

Speaker 8 I ain't say nothing.

Speaker 23 Let me say something. We shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room.
It shouldn't. As a quarterback.

Speaker 8 We shouldn't know anything about what Mike Thompson is thinking.

Speaker 8 Why not? Come on.

Speaker 8 Why not?

Speaker 23 How are you trying to compare the two?

Speaker 8 I'm just saying, you say you want

Speaker 8 authenticity. I do.
You said you want people to tell the truth.

Speaker 8 Dude was telling the truth. He was telling what he experienced.
Guys coming late, guys missing. You didn't like that because you said it's snitching.

Speaker 8 But you said you just wanted people to tell the truth. You want people, I want people to be themselves.
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 23 Wait a minute. Stay.
Stay.

Speaker 8 Stay with me.

Speaker 23 Stay with me now. Now, I don't mind.

Speaker 23 I don't like the snitching part. You don't throw your teammates under the bus.
As a captain, as a quarterback, you always take issues and put them on yourself.

Speaker 8 I do.

Speaker 8 Now,

Speaker 23 Mike Tomlin just giving his perspective based on

Speaker 23 the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals. There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 8 Just giving you his perspective of why they're losing.

Speaker 23 No, stop, stop trying to.

Speaker 8 I just go about what you say. You say you want people to live in their truth.
You say, oh, you say,

Speaker 8 I just want people sometimes, I just want people to come up there and tell what's on their mind. That's what you told me.
I said, oh, you're you can't do that. You say, why not, uh?

Speaker 8 I said, because

Speaker 8 it's a detriment to the team. You say, I don't care.
I just want it to be true. I just want people to just stay.
You say, stay, stay with me just for a second. Stay with me right now.

Speaker 8 I said, okay, I'm going to stay with you, Ocho.

Speaker 23 I don't understand.

Speaker 8 What you don't understand?

Speaker 23 I don't understand, man. Listen.

Speaker 8 All two of the would say, guys, the reason why we're losing,

Speaker 8 the reason why we're losing is that when we have a meeting and we schedule a meeting, are guys going to show up? Are they going to show up on time?

Speaker 8 When we say we're going to do this, are we going to do it?

Speaker 8 That's what he's saying. You tell the truth.

Speaker 23 That ain't nobody's business. That ain't nobody's business.
You know, you don't conduct yourself like that as a player and mentor

Speaker 23 about your players. You don't put that business out there like that.
You don't do that.

Speaker 23 Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know, he done got everybody in trouble. We all go into jail after two.

Speaker 8 I know. So, in other words, you don't want people telling the truth all the time, right?

Speaker 8 Come again.

Speaker 8 So, you're saying you don't want people to tell the truth all the time, correct?

Speaker 23 No, I don't want people snitching, snitching. There's a difference.

Speaker 23 You're confusing someone snitching and someone being authentic in their answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked. Those are two different scenarios.

Speaker 8 How about this here? Snitching only takes place in the street. The street of snitching.
When you partake in that activity, you're supposed to be a code.

Speaker 8 You and I do not partake in that.

Speaker 8 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 23 Well, there's also an NFL code. Anything

Speaker 23 inside that locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras or at home.

Speaker 8 So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time. Huh? So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time.

Speaker 23 Yeah, you should. You just shouldn't stitch.

Speaker 8 Well, how can I?

Speaker 8 That's bad.

Speaker 8 Listen. Chad, y'all see this man.

Speaker 23 We got to live by a code. If we don't live by a code, what are we living for?

Speaker 8 So we got, so the locker room got the same code as the street. Yes, yeah.
What you mean?

Speaker 23 Yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 23 it's the same

Speaker 23 you gotta live by the code

Speaker 23 i'm just saying you yeah you gotta live by the code huh okay and listen it's an unwritten rule too somebody didn't even have to explain it you just understand and know in that environment what you can and cannot do

Speaker 8 as a quarterback in the nfl or as a coach in the nfl there are things that you can and cannot do thank you that's all i want to to hear. We'll move on.
Thank you, Ocho. That's all I wanted you to say.

Speaker 8 Right, right, right.

Speaker 23 But then you have some people like myself

Speaker 23 that choose to do the opposite.

Speaker 8 Yes, that's all I wanted you to say, Ocho.

Speaker 8 I'm like, bitch, man, talking about, hey, I'll go up there.

Speaker 8 Why can't a quarterback just put people on blasts? Why can't the quarterback? Hey, Ocho, you know goodwill the quarterback can't do that.

Speaker 23 When Cam Wood came out and said, I'm going to be honest with y'all, man, we fucking ass.

Speaker 23 Like, that was refreshing huh that was refreshing I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric politically correct from the same goddamn school it was refreshing that that tour told us the truth that guys be coming in late the guys be missing things it was refreshing no it was not no hey that goddamn cam board now that was some funny shit

Speaker 8 they asked tour what's going on all tour said the reason what one of the reasons we might be we we got to take it serious we got to make up our minds are we going to come in on time or the meetings that we schedule are we going to attend them he was just being honest yeah i got you i got you

Speaker 23 oh shoot now you got me thinking about it

Speaker 8 this man told me this man been telling me it's freshing it's a breath of fresh air it is like and but you didn't like it I don't know.

Speaker 8 I don't.

Speaker 8 But I understand.

Speaker 8 You said you wanted. I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that come along with it.

Speaker 8 Because

Speaker 8 I don't know, you know.

Speaker 8 According to reports from SNY Network, Tyrod Taylor has the support of some people in the Jets building as their QB1 over Fields. They feel like Justin was given the job without any competition.

Speaker 8 Yes, he was.

Speaker 8 Justin Fields got two years at $40 million, and Tyrod got backup money? Yes.

Speaker 23 Hey, I'm mad things aren't working out, honestly. To be honest,

Speaker 23 I really, I really thought, I really thought this has been really, really good. Finally, Justin Fields, you get your opportunity.
You get your team. You get to be quarterback number one.

Speaker 23 You don't have to look over your shoulder. You don't have to worry about Russell Wilson or

Speaker 23 being pulled. Understand, whenever you come to

Speaker 23 Chicago, things didn't go.

Speaker 23 go i i'm like god damn finally he gets his team he goes to a place where they actually want him correct where they actually want him and that's one of the greatest feelings in the world

Speaker 23 and for some reason obviously it just hadn't panned out it hadn't panned out the way it should

Speaker 23 as as good as justin feels is I've seen the flashes of brilliance from him, whether it be throwing the ball, whether it be running the ball or escaping the pocket and just just extending plays i mean he can do it and just have to find a way to string that string all those qualities together consistently over and over look

Speaker 8 tyrodd is not the the athletic phenom that he's not as i mean tyrod when he came into the league now tyrod was athletic remember him with virginia tech now he can go now He was the backup to Joe Flacco when they won the championship.

Speaker 8 He took Buffalo to the playoffs. Tyrod can play.

Speaker 23 Absolutely can.

Speaker 8 He can play.

Speaker 8 And so I agree with you. But for whatever reason,

Speaker 8 it hasn't clicked yet for Justin Fields.

Speaker 8 It still takes a while for him to process it, Ocho. And you know, at this level, at that level in which he's playing at, what you and I played at,

Speaker 8 that clock's got to go off. Guys ain't going to be running scot-free.

Speaker 8 Guys are not going to be running scot-free. You got to throw guys open.

Speaker 8 You got to throw with great anticipatory skills.

Speaker 8 And right now, it's just like he's glitching.

Speaker 8 Bro, you can't hold on to that ball, bro. This ain't 707.
They coming.

Speaker 8 Dang. I think.

Speaker 8 I think they give him a couple more games, Ocho. I do.

Speaker 23 Yeah, absolutely. I mean,

Speaker 23 it's too soon to pull a plug right now.

Speaker 8 Ocho, I'm not going 0-9 and not make changes. I've got to make some changes.
Well, what are they right now?

Speaker 8 They're 0-6.

Speaker 8 I go to 0-7, 0-8.

Speaker 8 Come on, Ocho. What you want me to do? Go 0-15 before I make a move?

Speaker 23 What's the next three games?

Speaker 23 And you know, once you make that move,

Speaker 23 if you go from Justin Fields to Tyrod Taylor,

Speaker 23 that just erases and scratches everything as far as him.

Speaker 8 I'm trying to win games. Okay.

Speaker 8 Panthers. I'm talking about the future.
Panthers. Okay.
Bengals.

Speaker 8 Browns.

Speaker 8 Shit.

Speaker 23 That's tough.

Speaker 8 It's either now or never. He won't get an easier stretch.

Speaker 8 Easier?

Speaker 8 He won't get an easier stretch.

Speaker 23 Did you just hit a single?

Speaker 8 How many games have the Panthers won? Two, three?

Speaker 8 They're three and three, right?

Speaker 23 Did you just see that the Panthers demolish the Cowboys or no?

Speaker 8 They're three and three. Okay, what are the Bengals? Two and four.

Speaker 8 What's Cleveland? Two and four.

Speaker 8 Browns are one and five. So you got a three and three, a two and four, and a one and five.
Now, give me the next three.

Speaker 23 They got it. They got a chance of winning, winning one out of those three because they ain't beating the Panthers or the Bengals.

Speaker 8 Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins.

Speaker 23 Okay, they might be the Dolphins.

Speaker 8 yeah they might be the ravens

Speaker 23 nah lamar will be back by then

Speaker 23 hey if if things don't go well do you even bring lamar back at all or you just let him let it hell yeah okay spending 50 million dollars you damn right i'm bringing it back okay

Speaker 23 Hey, no chance at the playoffs. I mean,

Speaker 8 who said they ain't got no chance at the playoffs?

Speaker 23 I'm just saying, if they don't, depending on when he comes back, if they don't.

Speaker 8 Well, I mean, look, they're on the bye week this week, so

Speaker 8 this will be three weeks, almost four weeks a month. How severe was the hamstring injury? Yeah.

Speaker 23 Oh, well, he'll be back next. He'll be back next week then.

Speaker 8 James Franklin is required to look for another job in coaching or broadcasting according to the copy of the Penn State contract

Speaker 8 obtained by Front Office Sport. If Franklin's new job pays him less than the $8 million he's owed annually through 2031, Penn State only owes him the difference.
So he's required.

Speaker 8 I don't know why he put that in his contract.

Speaker 8 Crazy. I don't know why his agent let him.
His agent couldn't have been Jimmy Sexton

Speaker 8 because ain't no way Jimmy Sexton let you put that in your contract. Right.

Speaker 8 Hell to the no.

Speaker 8 You fired me. Don't worry about what I'm going to do.
I'm going to draw the pension from you. That's what I'm going to do.
That's it.

Speaker 23 I'm going to worry about my check. Everything else ain't your business.

Speaker 8 Exactly.

Speaker 23 Definitely ain't.

Speaker 23 That's unfortunate. You never want to see anybody lose their job, but

Speaker 8 that sucks.

Speaker 23 Now you got to pick up and leave. You done been there for a while.
See, that's why I couldn't coach, man.

Speaker 8 Did Jimmy let him put that in there?

Speaker 8 Oh, my God.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 But hell.

Speaker 8 No, I'm on Jim. Who was Jimbo Fisher's agent?

Speaker 8 The guy that he got 80, That he got 80 million and he ain't got to do nothing.

Speaker 23 Out of there.

Speaker 8 Jimbo gave him that. I mean, you see Kirby Smart's buyout is 118 million.

Speaker 23 God, well, listen, Kirby Smart

Speaker 23 won't be in that position no time soon.

Speaker 8 Ain't no way. What happened?

Speaker 8 He got, I mean, Jimmy Sexton is the coach's guy. I mean, probably, what, you say, 70% of the coaches? Probably 70% of the coaches.
Jimmy Sexton represents them.

Speaker 23 Oh, okay.

Speaker 8 Nah, I ain't looking for no job.

Speaker 23 You want Jimmy could represent us? You sure you don't want to put your hand in that? Put your hat in there? For $1.

Speaker 8 Hired who, Jimmy? Jimmy Spectre. Oh.
Oh, Barstool going to hire him for $1. So they owe him $7,999,000.

Speaker 23 That's funny.

Speaker 8 Work one day a week.

Speaker 23 That's funny.

Speaker 8 But I'm not, oh Joe, we've been talking about this for like the last three weeks. Yeah.
Yeah. And I'm not surprised by this.
And I, and there are Penn State.

Speaker 8 They was just in the college football playoffs. I said, I get all that.
I said, but go back and look at his record against top 10 teams. Yeah.

Speaker 8 He's beaten one top 10 team in the Big Ten since he arrived. That was in 2016.
He beat Ohio State. He's 4-21.
The athletic director

Speaker 8 specifically stated

Speaker 8 against

Speaker 8 big games.

Speaker 8 You can't win big games. Now you losing to Northwestern.
Now you're losing to UCLA, who hadn't led all season long, hadn't won any games.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you got to go.

Speaker 23 Yeah, that sucks, man.

Speaker 8 You got to go. That sucks.
That sucks. You got to go.

Speaker 23 I hate to see people lose their job.

Speaker 8 I do too.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe, but when you know when you coaching, there's volatility in coaching. Coaching is just like the military or being a...

Speaker 8 A Pentecostal minister. Yeah.
You know, you got to move around.

Speaker 23 Even if you got to move around, Penn State, Ohio State, Penn State, Georgia, Penn State,

Speaker 23 let's say, you know, Oregon or any of those ACC or SEC teams,

Speaker 23 they're just better. They got better players.

Speaker 23 They were a reason they were 4-21. There's a reason you only beat Ohio State one time since 2016.

Speaker 8 They say we've invested $500 million in upgrades to Beaver Stadium. We paid top dollar for defensive coordinator.
We paid top dollar to keep some of these

Speaker 8 upperclassmen. And no, no, no, we're not going for it.

Speaker 8 You're Penn State. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You're Penn State.

Speaker 23 You're basing everything off the name. You're the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 23 Now, what's that gotten you in the past 30 years?

Speaker 8 Jerry, see, here's the thing. Jared is great at marketing.

Speaker 8 Penn State say, nah.

Speaker 8 And here's the thing, Ocho. You know, those uniforms.
I mean, bro, you got black pleats. You ain't got no name on the back of your jersey.

Speaker 8 I mean, I don't know. Do they got names on the back of their jersey?

Speaker 23 No, it's plain.

Speaker 8 Penn State uniform is plain. White helmets.
Come on, bro. How do you sell that?

Speaker 8 When you getting haircut, you can get a haircut in Oregon in the locker room.

Speaker 8 You get 50 different, you get 50 different, you get 50 different uniforms.

Speaker 8 And you get to keep them all. Right.
But how you compete with that? How you compete with Ohio State with what they got going on?

Speaker 8 Michigan, the Georgia, the Alabama, the Texas, and the Texas A ⁇ M.

Speaker 8 But I'm paying you, Jane Franklin making $8 million. So they paying him like he a big-time coach.
You got to deliver, Ocho.

Speaker 23 It's only

Speaker 23 coaching only take you so far.

Speaker 8 What he should have said, you know what? You know what? Don't pay me this because I can't deliver like that. So don't give me no 10-year extension.
You take their money, there's an expectation.

Speaker 8 You know what happens, Ocho, when you take the money, there's an expectation of what? Every time results must follow.

Speaker 23 Every time,

Speaker 8 so

Speaker 8 um, but that's what that's what comes along with it. And coaching, you get into coaching,

Speaker 8 yeah, I see.

Speaker 23 That's why we should do it.

Speaker 8 I'm telling you, oh no, I'm good.

Speaker 8 Uh, time for our final segment of the evening is time for Q and A.

Speaker 23 hey man we could be like a a package kid

Speaker 8 go ahead no i'm just saying you should about go ahead ain't nobody else ain't got nobody else no i want to i like snitching

Speaker 8 d ton said ocho is right on you can be authentic without snitching

Speaker 8 thank you thank you that's what i'm talking about you're real you cannot be if you are a coach or a quarterback at the highest levels you cannot be authentic.

Speaker 23 Hold on, Uncle I was authentic.

Speaker 8 You play quarterback? Damn near.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 8 Uncle I believe the Broncos have the team to go all the way to the Super Bowl. Let's go, Broncos.
84 should be retired. Kevin, I mean, we look, we got to play a little better offensively.

Speaker 8 But it seems to me, if I had to guess, Sean Payton was very conservative, saying, look, if we don't put the ball in harm's way, they can't can't drive to beat us. You see that offense over there?

Speaker 8 It's anemic. It's pathetic.
It's pedestrian. So, with that being said, they're going to have to play a lot better

Speaker 8 Sunday against the Giants because that performance that they put on the field offensively will not

Speaker 8 get it done Sunday against the Giants. Oh, Joe, Pitt, Cincinnati, you owe me that jersey from last year's bet.
I'll let you slide because you're having a rough season. It's going to get worse.

Speaker 8 Over under two and a half, 2.5, how many tackles will Jamar Chase have on Thursday?

Speaker 23 None. Because we're going to win that game.
We definitely going to win this game. A division rival, Steelers coming in.
Thursday night, you know, crowd going wet, going crazy.

Speaker 23 It's going to be about 40 degrees.

Speaker 8 You know, it gets cold in Pittsburgh, too.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. I know.
I know. I know.

Speaker 8 So I don't think the weather is going to have an impact. Uh, let's see, who do I want? I want Aaron Rodgers, I want Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco.

Speaker 23 Oh, so is that how you feel?

Speaker 23 Is that how you feel?

Speaker 8 Okay,

Speaker 23 okay. And you're only saying that because Joe, because Aaron Rodgers is playing well right now.

Speaker 8 Yo, I hadn't played well in a while since the Super Bowl in 2012.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 23 I just saw my guy have a 17, a 17-plate drive down the field after halftime, and he's only been there for 17 minutes.

Speaker 23 He's been on our team for 17 minutes and he took our team down the field and drove.

Speaker 8 He'll look worse on Thursday. Trust me.

Speaker 23 Let's bet. Okay.
No, I don't want to bet, but

Speaker 8 I don't want to bet. TS Car Washer Detail Service, y'all had Bling, Bling on

Speaker 8 yesterday night. Will Russ ever play an an NFL game again?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Of course.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 hell,

Speaker 8 I think he's better than Flacco. That's just me personally.

Speaker 8 I'm trying to think.

Speaker 8 Question is: is he okay being a backup?

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Yeah. I mean, you have to know your role as you get further into your career, as you get older.

Speaker 23 You understand you can't do the things you once did when you were young. You're not in that position anymore.

Speaker 8 I get it.

Speaker 8 Yeah. See, that's how you think it.
But let me ask you a question. Tell me what quarterback thinks like that.

Speaker 7 Hey,

Speaker 23 that's the hard part. And knowing when the journey is over, and knowing when you're not the main character.

Speaker 8 Knowing

Speaker 8 you still ain't told me the quarterback that thinks like that, considering the man got 300-plus touchdown passes, he's won a Super Bowl. He's been to eight Pro Bowls.

Speaker 23 Hey, that resume looks beautiful.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And you think he's going to be okay being a backup, huh?

Speaker 8 Hey,

Speaker 23 hey, I mean, listen,

Speaker 23 reality has to set in at some point. It just does.
It just does. And if

Speaker 23 you don't believe it, they'll show you.

Speaker 8 How about that?

Speaker 23 And they showed him.

Speaker 23 Oh, you still think you're a starter? Well, let me show you why you're not.

Speaker 8 And, you know, he got 8 million. A lot of backups.
Now that thing finna go down, that thing finna go down to like 2 or 3 million. Damn.

Speaker 8 And 2 or 3 million by the time you move your family, get the family all up there, get a place that's big enough,

Speaker 8 it's worth it. I don't know where Russ wants to live.
I don't know if he wants to live in Seattle or he wants to live in,

Speaker 8 I don't even know where Russ is from. I don't know where Sierra's from.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 I don't know.

Speaker 8 Patrick Donovan, Ocho, let's bet. Loser shaves his eyebrows.
Hashtag Steelers. Steelers are rumored to get Tyreek now that that can't happen.
Maybe go after A.J. Brown.

Speaker 8 Ocho, if I get my eyebrows, can I get a signed jersey?

Speaker 8 Uh,

Speaker 23 I get your jersey, but I ain't playing my eyebrows.

Speaker 8 You ain't got no eyebrows. I do, hold on.
Hey, J-Dub, you hear that? He wants to get that man a jersey, but won't give you your jersey. J-Dubb, you might do something bad to Ocho.

Speaker 23 Hey, whatever you want to do, let me know.

Speaker 8 I'm here.

Speaker 8 JJ Carver said, Ocho really dressed up as

Speaker 8 his shadow. ocho dressed up like an intern y in

Speaker 23 yeah yeah yeah i tell you i went to the concert man kid i had a good time with the kids

Speaker 8 be it says now uncanocho tell me with a straight face that bijan not the best running back in the league this year rise up

Speaker 8 yeah yeah you're getting no debate from us right now he is We said that earlier.

Speaker 8 I mean, you know, he and Jonathan Taylor. Jonathan Taylor has been putting up stats too.
I don't know if you noticed it, but he's leading the league in Russia.

Speaker 8 But yeah, Bijan has been phenomenal this year. Yeah, he's outplayed.
He's outplayed C-Mac. He's outplayed Derrick Henry.
He's outplayed Saquon.

Speaker 8 Right now, it's just he and Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 8 Casey Taylor said, Oh, I need you to copy and paste this message to Weezy F. Yo, Weezy.

Speaker 8 I know you know if you, Drake and Barbie release a trio album only, y'all would do numbers on numbers. Weezy, I need it, Weezy.
We need it. F is for flawless.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I know Weezy. Weezy ain't listening to me when it comes to no music.
Who the hell am I?

Speaker 23 He ain't listening to me. You know, we collab before.

Speaker 8 King me said, Lord, have mercy. L.A.
and the Mariners for the World Series. Good pitching tonight.

Speaker 8 It looked like the Dodgers is going to go.

Speaker 23 They're going to win again. They just won last year.

Speaker 8 Gonna win again. You see who they got? Shohay, Mookie, Freddie Freeman,

Speaker 8 Hernandez.

Speaker 13 Boy, good, boy.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Drew, Freddie Freeman as a playoff monster. Let's go, Dodgers.
Here, did they win again?

Speaker 8 I sure hate Atlanta. Let it let Brady go.

Speaker 8 Brady was Freddy. Freddy was the

Speaker 8 Braves chipper.

Speaker 8 He was chipper, you know.

Speaker 8 What happened?

Speaker 23 I fell

Speaker 8 on that turf over there.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Hey, I ain't felt that in about 13 years. Boy, I hit that shower.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you don't know a lot of, you don't know a lot of bumps and brews you got to that adrenaline where after you get that damn water hit that water hit it.

Speaker 8 Jason Zeldorf said, Dart is a dog. We're coming for the NFC East Crown.
We put him foot to you nowhere next week against the Broncos. Dart is way better than Fields.

Speaker 23 Hey, I can't

Speaker 23 scatter but gonna run past sirte over

Speaker 23 boy please we got something for that for scatterboat yep oh yeah all right y'all ain't got nothing for scat pack

Speaker 8 all right

Speaker 8 desmond wilson rise up falcons look good tonight can y'all uh uh shout out my brother man zach frazier

Speaker 8 zach

Speaker 8 Yeah, Falcons did look good. I'll give it to them.
They look good. Bijon ran the ball well.
Drake London was catching it.

Speaker 8 Penix threw the ball well. Defense got after Josh Allen.
Sacked him several times. Did a great job stopping the run initially.

Speaker 8 But yeah, they played well. Picked him off twice.

Speaker 8 Rise up, Falcons. Dylan Mitchell, Uncanocho, do you believe the 2019 LSU Tigers with Burroughs, Jeddah, and Jamar could beat the 2016 Browns? Is it possible for...
Oh, no!

Speaker 23 God damn it.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 23 You tripping, man.

Speaker 23 Hell no.

Speaker 8 Boy.

Speaker 8 Alex M said, Uncle

Speaker 8 How'd you hit Slade so hard that you knocked yourself out? Yeah, I knocked both of us out. I did.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 I hit it with

Speaker 8 my head.

Speaker 8 I should have just caught it with that flipper.

Speaker 8 Who you hit? Chris Lade on a Monday night.

Speaker 8 You got him. JJ, please tell people how good that

Speaker 8 0-1 UM team. That might be the best team in college football history.

Speaker 8 Go back and look at those guys.

Speaker 8 Y'all do realize Sean Taylor was special teams.

Speaker 8 Andrell Roe. They had Antrell Rose.
They had

Speaker 8 Philip Buchanan. They had Clinton Porters, Frank Gore, Willis McGahy.
They had Jeremy Shockey. They had K2.
They had another tight end that ended up going to the NFL.

Speaker 8 I think it was Everett. I think he went to Buffalo.
Man, look at that offense. Brian McKinney.

Speaker 23 Yeah, they were loaded, boy.

Speaker 8 McDougal. They had

Speaker 23 nose tackle. Vince.

Speaker 8 Vince Wolford. Yeah.

Speaker 8 They had like 16 first rounders on that team.

Speaker 8 Stupid.

Speaker 23 Stupid, stupid.

Speaker 8 All of the linebackers, Vilma, DB's, everything. Williams, yeah.
They was looking at it. Brie Carter, y'all remember Cortland versus Andre Lord.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 8 But see, that was in the field of play. Now, had they did that in the field of play, they probably would have got ejected, got fired, boom.
But afterwards?

Speaker 23 Hey, every so often.

Speaker 8 David Amos, my Pats are coming. The Pats do look good.
The Pats do look good. And guess what? Buffalo do not look invincible anymore.
And they've already gone to Buffalo and beat them once. Saucy D.

Speaker 8 Speaking on what Tua said, Jerry Goff said last year after the loss to the Commanders, he couldn't sleep at night for a month.

Speaker 8 A month?

Speaker 8 Bruh, I still ain't got over the loss to Jacksonville. That'd been damn near 30 years ago.

Speaker 8 And I won three Super Bowls and got a gold jacket.

Speaker 8 They shouldn't have beat us.

Speaker 8 Uh, Iso Noah, Uncle, what do you do if referees call an AK cheating the game like they did in the Bears versus the Commanders?

Speaker 8 I don't, I didn't, I didn't notice any calls.

Speaker 8 Maybe I missed it,

Speaker 8 guys. Y'all got to stop thinking just because y'all lose the refs cheating.

Speaker 8 Uh, question for Ocho: Star Bitch Cut,

Speaker 8 CBS Unk, Fox Unk, ESP and Unk.

Speaker 8 Oh, yes. Start Fox Unk.

Speaker 8 Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 23 Yeah, Fox Unknown. Definitely starting.

Speaker 23 And what was it? Trade?

Speaker 8 No, start, bench, cut.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I'm a bench ESPN.

Speaker 23 And I'm going to cut CAA, boy. Hey, them, boy, them.

Speaker 23 What was some good days?

Speaker 8 Yeah, babe. Yeah, I was there.
Hey, I show babe. Yeah, Fox, Fox, let me act up.

Speaker 8 Pure food. Let my hair down.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Saucy, across all sports, who are three athletes that you enjoyed watching in your life.

Speaker 8 Oh,

Speaker 23 I may go Neymar

Speaker 23 Mayweather.

Speaker 8 Damn

Speaker 23 Jokovich.

Speaker 23 I will say Alcaraz, but I'm I'm gonna go with Jokovich.

Speaker 8 Uh LeBron

Speaker 8 Serena.

Speaker 23 That's a good one.

Speaker 23 Boat.

Speaker 8 Oh.

Speaker 23 That's a really good one.

Speaker 8 Sir Kate's, my guys, when it's all said and done for Aaron Rodgers, what will be three words that sums up his career?

Speaker 23 One of the greatest throwers of the ball no matter what you say whether you like him whether you don't yes

Speaker 8 he was

Speaker 23 sensational

Speaker 8 i still don't understand how he didn't win more championships

Speaker 23 With the teams that he's had, some good ones, some really good ones.

Speaker 8 Man, that motherfucker.

Speaker 23 But they went up against some good ones as well.

Speaker 8 But you can't lose to Jimmy Garoppolo.

Speaker 8 You can't lose to, you had the better team and you were at home and you lost to Brady.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 you can't.

Speaker 8 You can't.

Speaker 8 But he's one of the, he's going to go down as one of the 10 best quarterbacks to ever play.

Speaker 8 I don't think you can put him over, obviously you can't put him over Brady. You can't put him over Manny.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 he was phenomenal. He is as gifted at throwing the football, rolling left, rolling right from the pocket.
He can charm things. He can change arm slots.

Speaker 8 And he threw a beautiful ball. I still don't know how he didn't win more of you.

Speaker 8 Thursday night, about to be an O-bowl with Flacco and Rogers. Yeah, because Rogers is about to be 41 and Flacco's 40, right? Yep.

Speaker 23 Yep, Flacco is 40.

Speaker 8 John Tavius Collier, can you give my brother Tracy

Speaker 8 a shout out for his birthday? He has the same birthday as your daughter. Absolutely.
Tracy.

Speaker 8 Your brother Jonathan want to give you a shout out. Happy early birthday.
Yep, your birthday is the same day as my oldest, Kayla.

Speaker 8 I'm sorry, baby.

Speaker 8 No birthday gifts this year.

Speaker 8 All you get is, daddy love you.

Speaker 8 Chill coffee say, how long do you think Tua remains the starter this year?

Speaker 8 Well, I think he's going to be the starter this year. The question is, how much long is he going to remain in Miami?

Speaker 23 Almost Zach Wilson time.

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 I don't think they.

Speaker 23 Nah, they won't do that.

Speaker 20 Nah.

Speaker 23 I'm just talking.

Speaker 8 But the question is, Ocho, how much longer does he remain in?

Speaker 23 Not that I don't know.

Speaker 8 Yeah. That's going to be very interesting.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

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The Bears,

Speaker 8 with a walk-off field goal, beat the Commanders 25-24.

Speaker 8 And the Atlanta Falcons. Beat the Buffalo Bills by 10 to move to 3-2 as the Bills fall to 4-2 by a score of 21, excuse me, 24-14.
Atlanta, Bijan Robinson had himself a day.

Speaker 8 19 carries a buck 70 and a touchdown, and also chipped in with six catches for 68 yards. Drake London, 10 for a buck 58 and a touchdown.
Almost got another one.

Speaker 8 Stepped out of bounds right as the time ended right before the half. Thank you for joining us.
We're off tomorrow, which is Tuesday. We'll see you here Wednesday.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 8 Appreciate the support again. Uh-oh.

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