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But first, the Bears beat the Commanders 25-24.

Washington finished tonight with three turnovers.

They had three turnovers coming into tonight.

They matched that with three tonight.

Washington had two fumbles, one by Jaden Daniels and the other by Jakore, Koski, Merritt.

And Jayton Daniels threw an interception.

That led to costly

possessions.

And, you know, when you turn the football over, you've heard us say it before, you pay for that.

and you pay double.

Give, I'm wondering what they're going to say now.

because, you know, when they lose Caleb Williams, it's his fingernails.

Yeah.

Man, stop picking your fingernails.

So I wonder what they're going to say now because now it's not so, did he win?

Right.

If I'm not mistaken, they had a close-up and I saw his pinky and it had nail polish on it.

Yeah.

So

winning or losing, his nails don't have anything, Ocho, to do with winning and losing.

I thought he was very well tonight.

He was 17 or 29, 252, one touchdowns.

He did take three sacks, but

he didn't turn the ball over and when you take care of the football in the inclement weather hey and you know he turns the ball over they ran the ball i thought deandre swift did a great job of running the football especially late ojo because the one thing you didn't want to do was give washington the ball back and they made sure they didn't get it back either way a and he ran to 14 carries a bucko eight 27 carries total for the uh bears 145 yards one touchdown uh kale williams did have a touchdown pass that was also to deandre Swift.

But I thought they played really, really well.

Washington's going to kick themselves because they turned the ball over, which they had done a great job of taking care of the football prior to tonight.

Oh, Joe, what?

Hopefully you watch some highlights

on the way back to the house.

Huh?

Highlights.

What about the highlights?

Oh, the Bears, Washington.

No, I ain't watched no highlights.

I watched the game, huh?

Okay.

Yeah.

So

what did you like about what you saw from the Bears?

Well, obviously, I like caleb caleb was very passionate uh he was struggling he was struggling a little bit despite what it what it looked like he was he was a little you can see he was a little frustrated on the sideline

some there was some passes that he wasn't completing but um

towards the end of the towards it towards the end of the game only i think it was third was that third and four what but they really needed that play he hit deandre deandre swift yep And Swift went for goddamn 55.

Obviously missed tackles.

And when you play a game like that in inclement weather where it's very bad, the one thing you you don't want to do is turn the ball over.

And that's the one thing that the commanders did do.

The commanders turned the ball over.

They pressured, they had four and five man pressures.

They pressured goddamn Jaden Daniels.

And I don't want to say he didn't struggle, but obviously losing a fumble, getting sacked, Montez sweat was hell damn near all night.

Yeah, but look.

This game

could have been better.

I think you got to give the Bears defense a lot of credit.

They brought Dennis Allen.

Dennis Allen, we know he's a very good defensive coordinator.

He hadn't had the success that you would like to see him have as a head coach.

He was the head coach of the Raiders.

He was the head coach of the Saints, and he didn't have success.

But as a defensive coordinator, you go back and look at his time at the Broncos.

You go back and look at his time as a DC with New Orleans.

He's done a great job of coordinating defenses.

And now he's back in that role.

I thought Ben Johnson did a great job.

You're right.

They could have had an opportunity to maybe get the game to be ahead, but Caleb took his eyes off off the ball.

They had a shotgun snap and they were going to hand it to him.

And he took his eyes off the ball and the ball got here and he ended up losing a couple yards on the third and short.

But he played well given the conditions.

Now, both teams played.

It wasn't like one team was playing in a phone booth and the other team was playing outside in inclement weather.

They were both, but I thought the Bears did a better job of dealing with that.

And when you're dealing with factors like that, you got snow, you got sleet, you got rain, you got adverse conditions.

Whichever team can handle those conditions the best, that is normally the team that's going to win the ball game.

Go ahead.

I'm going to say not only handle the conditions the best, but also with those conditions, not turn the ball over.

You got to protect the ball.

Because, you know, as you always say, you pay double for those turnovers.

And that's exactly what happened to the commanders tonight.

Yes.

Caleb Williams, 17 to 29, 252, one touchdown.

Jaden Daniels, 19 to 26, 211, three touchdowns.

But when you turn the ball over, you don't really get an opportunity because they turn it over early.

But hey,

they'll learn from this.

They got to do a better job of protecting it because, look,

there's no clear-cut favorite in either conference, I don't think.

I don't think there's like, oh, my God, this team is unbeatable.

I feel like on any given Sunday, if teams play their best and you're slightly off, now both teams play their best.

Do I think Washington is a little better than Chicago?

I do.

But I think they lowered themselves or they elevated the barriers by turning the ball over three times.

And you can't turn the ball over in this league because, look, as talented as JD is, they're not talented enough to overcome three turnovers.

And I thought Ben Johnson called a great game for the Bears.

I thought he did an unbelievable job.

I thought Kayla Williams did a great,

did an unbelievable job of distributing the football.

Look,

they had two fumbles, but they ended up getting them back.

Washington's got to do a better job of taking care of the football.

And mainly the quarterback, the ball's in your hands.

You have to take care of the football.

And he didn't do a good enough job of that tonight.

And it cost him a victory that

they probably feel like they should have won the ball game.

Because early on, Chicago, they kept them out of the end zone, 6-6,

13-7.

And then they scored 10 points into the third quarter to end up taking the lead.

And

you see what happens when you turn the ball over late and Chicago gets an opportunity.

Johnny on the spot.

Guy falls on it and takes off.

And the next thing you know, they're going to travel back to Chicago with a victory.

But you don't get an opportunity to salt very long because, you know, you got a game next week.

Right, right back to it.

And sometimes that's the best.

That's the 24-hour rule.

Sometimes that's the best thing is that you don't want to linger.

You hate to go into a bye week after loss because you're thinking about it the whole time you're off and like, man, what we could be, what we should be, what could have been.

Man, I can't believe we let that one slip away.

You have to have a short memory.

You play Monday night, you're off Tuesday, you're right back at it Wednesday.

So you have to, you you know, you have to have a very, you have to have amnesia.

You have to forget about it because

there's nothing you can do about what just happened.

That's over.

Now you can let it linger and it'll cost you again on Sunday.

Or you can forget about that and take your frustrations out on someone else Sunday.

And I think that's what they're going to do.

I think, you know.

DQ will do a great job of rallying the troops, getting them ready to play.

And I have no doubt in my mind we'll see a team that comes out invigorated.

They'll take care of the football.

Who do they play on Sunday?

They'll take care of the football, but that's the one thing that you have to do a great job of is taking care of the football.

You see, because even when you turn the ball over, even if teams aren't very good, you bring them up to your level.

Yeah, yeah, most definitely.

Oh, the commanders play the Cowboys in Dallas?

Wow, that's going to be a good one.

They're playing in Dallas?

Yep.

On Sunday?

Yep.

That's going to be a good one.

That's going to be a very good one.

That's going to be a very good one.

Dallas is they want to get back on the winning track.

Two teams that's losing and they don't want to fall further behind in that division.

Right.

The Giants, they're like, look,

the Giants play the Broncos.

Woo, that's going to be a good one.

That's going to

the Eagles.

Who do the Eagles play?

Or are the Eagles on the bye?

They play the bike.

See?

Hey.

Whoever, I mean, you could be sitting pretty.

Because what we thought was going to be a foregone conclusion after the Eagles lost two games.

Now, all of a sudden, this division now is a toss-up.

The Giants, hey, the Giants are starting to feel like, hey, we got a chance.

The Commanders are like, hey, we definitely got a chance.

Cowboys, hey, I know what the Cowboys, two, three, and one, but hey, hey, you beat the Commanders.

Now you're 3-3-1.

and one.

Right back in it.

And they got four losses.

You got three losses of a tie.

You're in front of them because you've already beat them head to head.

Hey,

Minnesota can get if Minnesota can give you some love.

Yeah.

If Broncos helped the Broncos, well, Broncos gonna help y'all out.

Already put that call, already to put that call in.

Baker, go

Baker.

The Broncos gonna help y'all out.

You think so?

Yep.

You've been real confident lately.

Y'all barely

beat the Jets.

See, in a situation like that, you don't have to do anything fancy.

Okay.

We don't have to take unnecessary risk because they can't move the ball.

Think about how they scored.

They got a 72-yard kick return.

They got a short field

strip.

And they drove the ball one time.

They got a safety.

So they got three points on things that they generated.

Nah, we don't need to take no unnecessary risk.

And

our best offense was there, was there with the Jets' offense?

Yeah, it was bad.

That was bad.

And the funny thing, the funny thing about that was the NFL game.

If you show somebody that stat line and didn't tell them what game it was or who was playing, they would probably say, Maybe it's high school.

Maybe it's, you know,

I've never seen nothing like that.

Never.

But the Bears beat the Commanders.

So now it's a matchup that we're going to see going forward.

They're one and one.

Last year, Jaden Daniels on a Hail Mary wins it in a walk-off.

This time, Caleb Williams drives his ball club down, gets them in position, and they kick a walk-off field goal 25-24.

The Bears beat

the Commanders.

A game two.

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Atlanta Falcons

took down the Buffalo Bills by the score of 24-14.

Boy, that Bijan Robinson was something special tonight.

He was on one.

He was in his bag tonight.

Yeah, he was.

Go ahead.

Now, we're going to say he was in his bag.

We need to have a conversation.

We need to have a conversation.

We always talk about the top five backs.

He was always in the business.

He was in the discussion, for sure.

He was always in the discussion.

Now,

based on his small sample size and body of work so far this season, I mean, well, he's the best.

This season, he's been the best.

He and Jonathan Taylor have been the best.

I just want to make sure we were on the same page because that's what

we discussed.

And having that conversation with him being the best right now, you know, I mean, he damn near ran.

Wait, what happened?

My camera went out.

Oh, that was you.

What?

What is me?

Something went out.

Michael Pennix Jr.

was 20 of 32, 250, one touchdown.

No picks.

B.

John Robinson ran the ball 19 times for 170 yards and his career-long 81-yard touchdown run.

Algier had 10 carries for 32 yards and a touchdown.

Drake London, 10 for 158 and a touchdown.

He almost got another one right before the half, but they replayed, reviewed it like they do all scoring and turnover plays.

And it was deemed he stepped out at the one-yard line.

B.

John Robinson

had six receptions for 68 yards.

He's, look, look, he can do it all.

Now, versatile,

he's smooth oh man i love i love how silky smooth he is he putting that foot in the dirt he's coming downhill he gonna juke somebody in the hole he's he he's feathery he's he's a pleasure to watch josh allen did not have an mvp night he was 15 to 26 180 two touchdowns but he threw two costly interceptions the falcons got after him they sacked him four times uh

I was surprised, Ocho, James Cook ran the ball extremely well, especially in the second half.

James Cook had 17 carries for 87 yards.

Josh Allen had six carries for 42 yards.

I was surprised at how they started the game off.

I thought they would run James Cook a little more early.

It seemed that in the second half, they came out and made a concerted effort to run him and give him the ball.

And you see, the numbers are indicative of that.

Give the Falcons credit, I thought their defense bowled their back when they needed to bowl their backs.

They picked them off late in the ball game to seal the victory.

Look, they was going to have to score a touchdown, get the onside kick, and then still get in field goal range with under 50 seconds left in the ballgame,

which was going to be a tall task.

It's not impossible, but

we don't have to worry about that because the ball got tipped and the backer picked it off.

So, with that being said, watching, did you see, did you get an opportunity to see some of this game?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was watching everything on my phone.

I mean,

I couldn't hear what was going on, but I was you didn't need to hear.

You need to hear.

The Falcons.

Falcons now are three and two.

The Falcons could easily, they could have easily beaten Tampa.

Yeah.

I forgot what happened.

What happened that Tampa game?

Young Way Co.

missed those shots.

He missed the kicks.

That's right.

That's right.

Oh, man.

I can't believe they cut my dog, man.

What you mean you can't believe it?

I mean, that's my homie.

You know, I mean, he was cutting the food last year.

Yeah,

he missed something.

But here's the thing.

When you,

you know, being a kicker is tough.

Yeah.

Once it goes on Joe, you see the kicker in Sam Fran.

Yeah, movie.

He spit last year.

They brought him back.

He kept the game with the night for the Bears.

But sometimes you need to change the scenery.

And I think somebody picked up Coke.

Didn't somebody pick him up, Ash?

He's on somebody's practice squad.

But,

but Buffalo, Buffalo did not look good tonight.

I think they came out trying to throw the ball.

Maybe it was because the Falcons, and maybe it wasn't so much what they didn't do as opposed to what the Falcons did do, right?

Yeah, okay.

Uh, 22 first down to 17 Falcons' favor.

Uh, they were two of nine on third down, Buffalo was Atlanta was five of 12.

Uh, Atlanta had 443 yards of total offense,

Buffalo had 291.

Penalties, 8 for 64, 6 for 35, but it was a two turnovers.

When you turn the ball over,

you're asking somebody to beat your ass.

And

that's what the Falcons did.

It's like, hey,

you know, when you were young, say, hey, go out there and get me a switch.

Yeah.

A funny thing, too, about it, when I think about the Falcons obviously being three and two,

Michael Pennix Jr.

doesn't have to do that much.

Even though they have Kyle Pitts, they have Drake London, Ray McLeod, and

other weapons as well.

But with Bijan Robinson running the goddamn ball the way he's running,

it takes all the pressure off the quarterback.

The quarterback doesn't have to do much, except in certain situations, third downs, where obviously you have to throw the ball when they know you're running.

But Bijan Robinson is playing so goddamn well where

I don't think he under you.

I don't think people understand.

As good as he is, the conversations, obviously him being the best back in the league, even when everyone else

gets back to rhythm and getting in flow, including Saquon and Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry, a conversation still needs to be had with Bijan being in that top five, which, which, I mean, they were wrong about it, unless you're a Falcons fan, you know, last year.

But I mean, collectively as a whole, where all NFL fans are in agreeance that he's a top five back in this league.

What a difference is, is that you saw a lot of Saquon on national televised games last year.

You saw Kristen McCaffrey.

You saw

Derrick Henry.

You don't really get an opportunity to see a whole lot of Falcons game.

So he had a breakout game tonight, and people get an opportunity to see what you've been seeing and what we see that watch the games a little bit more closely, other than, you know, teams that we root for.

So we know what B.

John Robinson is.

We know he can run the football.

We know he's elusive.

He's a versatile back.

He can run inside.

He can run with power.

He can run with speed.

He can catch it.

So we know maybe

the casual fan is just getting hip to be John Robinson.

Obviously, Falcon fans and people in Atlanta know exactly who and what he is.

But maybe now the outside world is just not getting an opportunity to catch up because they have had some televised games.

And that's what you need.

Sometimes you need televised games because if you are one of those guys that don't, that doesn't play necessarily a big market or you have a Monday night or Sunday night game.

People are not, or you're in the big game, you're in Fox big game, the four o'clock game, or you're in the big win that CBS, the one o'clock game, unless you play play in those games, which they're not, because normally that's reserved for the Cowboys.

That's reserved for the Eagles.

That's reserved for the, you know, teams like that, or Pittsburgh, or the Ravens, or

Baltimore, things like that.

But

the Falcons, and if they win.

If they continue to win the following year, normally what happens, you win.

And then the following year, Ocho, that's when you get the games that are televised because they normally reward you a year a year later.

Now, maybe, who knows?

Maybe the uh the falcons get flexed and we see them on a sunday night or we see them in or in a situation like this but bijan is is is yeah he that dude he that dude he's nice um

how many um a rush attempt can we look up ads right quick how many rush attempts did uh

17

have in the first half compared to the second half because it seemed to me i could be wrong um

um that he ran more in the second half than he did the first half

I mean, 24 russia tips where they only had the ball like 50 plays.

I was right, right?

He had seven in the first half, 10 in the second half.

Yeah, I knew I was right.

But I think,

and it wasn't like, because they tossed the ball to

Bijan and he went 81 yards.

And so that didn't take long.

And so you got the ball back.

It wasn't like they was having these grinded out drives

that, you know, 12, 14 plays, 16 plays, 20 plays, 18, 19 play drives.

They didn't have any of those.

So Buffalo got to get back to the drawing board.

Their defense is

their offense is their defense.

Josh Allen normally has to wear that cape.

Yes.

And when he doesn't wear that cape, they're a very average football team.

And

that's how most teams are driven.

You look at Lamar, when he doesn't have that cape on, now he has a big bringing back, but you still have to pay attention to number eight, Mahomes.

He normally has to play great in order for them to win.

And that's how the teams are situated now.

You pay this so much money in those guys.

And when they don't play well, they look very marginal.

They look very average.

Yeah.

And that's what happened tonight.

Buffalo didn't look good tonight.

Buffalo hadn't looked good.

I don't think the last two games, I think this is the second game they've lost, right?

So this is back-to-back back-to-back losses for them, Ocho, and they haven't looked good in either game.

Um,

Sean McDermott's gonna have to do better, uh, you know, he's gonna be on the hot seat.

You think so?

Absolutely, absolutely,

absolutely.

Hold on, wait a minute, now we talk about the Buffalo Bills.

We talk about the Buffalo Bills, and they just got they just got approved for new funding for a new stadium, right?

Um, they've been, he's been the coach, he's the defensive coordinator, they got rid of Leslie Frazier, yes,

and

at some point in time the pagoulas they're gonna want a return on that investment which means getting to the super bowl i'm tired of being the bridesmaid i'm tired of attending everybody else's wedding and everybody else getting married except i yeah but i i just i just don't see it maybe you see it a little different than me you maybe you see it a little differently than i do when i when i look at the bills obviously they're going to always come out the afc east they could always do that they're always going to be in contention so there's a chance that

they will be maybe in the ASC championship.

But I wouldn't see the Bagulas pulling the trigger that fast knowing that you already have a quarterback in place.

Yes.

Again, somebody else to coach you.

You think so?

So, what's so?

At what point in time do I keep hitting my head on the ceiling and realize this is as high as I can go?

Damn, huh, boy, you can't.

Because, look, I don't care how big an animal is supposed to get, but if you can find him into an environment, he's only going to get so big.

He'll grow to the confines of that environment.

Right.

Maybe, maybe, and I don't advocate anyone losing their job.

Sean McDermott is taking him as far as he can take him.

I mean, at some point, it happened.

Tony Dungy got fired.

Oh, yeah.

I remember that.

And John Druden did what and came in the first year and did what?

With the Super Bowl.

Okay.

With Keyshawn.

We saw that with Mark Jackson and the Golden State Warriors.

We see that a lot.

We saw that with Phil Jackson with the Lakers.

It happens.

I don't know.

Especially a team like that,

that's so high power when Josh Allen is on.

There's certain mistakes that they can't make in the playoffs that have haunted them.

And most of the time, I hate the fact that the coaches get blamed for the mistakes that the players make in important games where moments matter most.

But I kind of get what you're saying, but I kind of don't because they're so good when Josh Allen is on.

When he's off,

I didn't pay a guy $300 million for the regular season.

That's not what I picked.

That's not what I gave him $260 plus million dollars fully guaranteed for.

Right.

He's already been to the championship.

How many times have he been to the championship game?

And we see them, he keeps losing to who?

Be it Kansas City at home or on the road.

It does not matter.

He got to get over that hump, boy.

Look, the Pagulas, the Pagulas,

they got funding for a new stadium.

They're going to have a new stadium in Buffalo.

Yeah.

And I know, look, when he wins 10 games, that's not good.

12 games, that's not good enough.

They have underachieved.

They got one of, no matter what you think of him, they have to have one of the three best quarterbacks in football.

And they've had this type of high-powered offense for the longest.

Yes.

And every year that they don't get it done,

this was supposed to be the year they take down Patrick Mahomes.

This was supposed to be the year.

Remember, Buffalo went in there and beat him.

They had, oh, we want Patrick Mahomes.

We got Patrick Mahomes.

He got to come to Buffalo.

He went to Buffalo, put foots in him.

They go to Kansas City.

He put foots in them.

So it doesn't matter.

At some point in time, Ojo,

we've got to get to the promised line.

We had a conversation.

Yeah.

Yes.

I'm telling you.

Okay.

I remember people told me I was crazy when I said Pim State is is going to get tired of James Franklin.

Now, the AD said exactly what I said.

It played a role that he couldn't beat the big-time teams.

He beat one team in the top 10 in the big 10, and that was 2016 when he beat Ohio State.

He's 4-21 against top 10 opponents.

I say they're going to get tired of that.

Now, you can't beat the team that you can't beat the big-time teams, and now you're losing to teams you should never lose to.

Never lose to, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think you.

Oh, man.

Oh, man, man, you reach it.

He was just in the college football playoff last year.

Now, where is he at now?

Yeah.

We're going to talk about that.

We're going to talk about that a little later.

But I'm telling you, Ocho, these owners, they see

in order to beat the man, you got to feel you have a man.

Yeah.

They feel they got a guy that can go toe-to-toe with Patrick Mahomes.

They feel they got a guy that can go toe-to-toe with Lamar Jackson, with Joe Burrow, whatever quarterback that you have in the ALC that you're going to need to stand toe-to-toe with and come out of the the ALC to get to the Super Bowl, they feel they got one in 6'5 ⁇ , 245-pound, Josh Allen.

Yes, sir.

Now, the Bagulas want to know why we keep coming up short.

Okay.

I hate that the onus always falls back on the coach.

Especially in games like that, especially the playoffs, where you're turning the ball over, where you're fumbling.

And, you know, the coach,

he done got no control over that.

But I mean, that's the business.

That's the way it works.

I mean, so.

Let me ask you a question.

Yeah.

Did they give Sean McVay credit for when they won the Super Bowl?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay, okay, I got you.

Did they give Coach Belichick any credit for winning them Super Bowls?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you can't get all the credit when things go well and then don't want any of the blame when they don't.

Because guess what?

What you just said, now you said the quarterback, the coach don't fumble the ball and he don't do this and that.

But when they win, he don't throw no touchdowns either.

He don't get no sacks.

He don't get no strip sacks, no scooping scores.

But he gets credit.

It's funny how that works, huh?

It absolutely is.

But

I definitely did not see.

I didn't see Buffalo struggling early.

Especially after the way they came back in that game, that first game against

the Ravens.

I thought they, I was like, okay.

And you looking at the schedule like, okay.

And it's really not surprising that they did.

I know Lamar played,

but seeing how the Ravens have looked since that game, it's not surprising that they did come back and win that.

Okay.

It was only a matter of time before the scabble and that came off and everything was exposed defensively now having lamar out it just shows how valuable he is and how it's like he's taking a team that just is god-awful which which they're not they're just playing bad right now another defense is bad

even though now their defense had their best game on sunday yeah

because the rams are really good offensively you got puka they got devonta they got higby at tight end kyron williams can run the football we know matthew stafford can throw it with the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

Absolutely.

And that defense is really, really good.

The Rams got a really good defense.

I thought the Ravens played their best game defensively.

They got no help offensively, especially from the quarterback position.

Cooper Rush was awful.

He was awful.

I mean, I'm not breaking news to anybody, and everybody knows that.

He's been awful.

Everybody thinks they have a great backup until the backup actually has to play.

Hey, there's a reason the backup is the backup, huh?

Yeah, you come in off the bench, Ocho, the starter goes down somewhere in the game, and you come in, like, oh, yeah, we got us a backup, but what happens when he has to play for an extended period of time, which Cooper Rushes had to do?

Yeah,

it'd be nice to have one that can keep your team head above water.

That's all you need.

That's it.

Hey, but it's hard, though.

It's hard, Ocho, for the simple fact is that you can't,

you know, you used to have a guy that was, you know, eight, nine, 10 years in the league.

You could pay him a decent salary.

Now

you got to like hope the guy can develop

on your bench.

Or you get a guy that

was a career backup, a career journeyman, or something like that.

It's hard.

Like, think about it.

Steve Young was on the 49ers.

He just sat for years and years and years and years.

Ain't nobody doing that no more, Ojo.

He sat for like, he sat for four, right?

No, hell no.

He got there in like 87.

He sat 88, 89, 90, 91.

Joe got hurt in 92.

Okay.

And he won the MVP.

They traded Joe in 93.

Dang.

So he sought for about six years.

Joe went to Kansas City, huh?

He did.

Yeah.

He did.

Oh, that's crazy.

Oh, Joe, the NFL suspended Brian Branch for one game for hitting

Juju Smith Schuster, excuse me.

Branch stand to forfeit $76,624 for his one-game suspension.

Branch is appealing the suspension.

NFL vice president of football operation, John Runyon.

Boy, boy,

boy, this ain't something.

Your aggressive non-football acts was entirely unwarranted, poised to a serious risk of injury and clearly violated the standard of conduct and sportsmanship expected of NFL players.

Your conduct reflected poorly on the NFL and has no place in our game.

Branch, I did a little childish thing.

But I'm tired of people doing a little childish thing, okay?

But I'm tired of people doing stuff between the plays and the ref don't catch it.

They be trying to bully me out there, and I don't, I shouldn't have to have did what I did.

It was childish.

Come on, come on, bro.

You know how this, you've played football too long.

Ojo.

We know how to get somebody back if they doing stuff to us to make it look like a play.

So you doing this after that wasn't checked.

No, no, no.

That was reckless, bro.

And I understand we're human.

There's a human element of it.

But what you should have done is just walked onto the locker room.

You already know you boiling.

You know that, Ojo.

Just go

head to the locker room because

you did all that talking.

Now, think about how when they win it, let me ask you a question.

Had they won, do you think he would have done that?

If the same thing, if the same course of action, Juju, he said Juju hit him in his back and it was right there in front of the referee and the ref didn't do anything.

Had they won this game, Ocho, do you believe Brian Branch would have acted in the manner in which he acted?

No,

I don't think so.

But I think you know what else happened?

He was antagonizing not only all game, the toss crack.

He came down.

He caught Brian Branch.

Brian Branch, obviously, you got to know that somebody got to call that out too.

Yes.

Somebody got to call it.

They didn't call it out.

He got Brian real good, huh?

Hit him right inside of the ear hole.

Yes.

After the game, goddamn Juju must have been antagonizing during the game.

He had the nerve to come up and try to shake his hand.

No,

he was playing games in the game.

Man, stop.

Hey, bro.

How you doing?

Hey, no, hey, Ocho, no hard feelings.

Whatever happened in the game, it happened in the game.

We leave it in the game, Ocho.

Right.

Hold on what's that what's that if it's in the game it's in the game

yay yeah

okay yeah if it's in the game it's in the game we left it in the game oh joe that might be personal huh that might be personal think about what's they should have been stealing on us i should have been getting steal on after every game because all i did was talk oh okay yeah yeah

oh think about all you did was talk yeah but see you see your talk man you know our stuff well my stuff my stuff wasn't malicious my stuff was fun your yours i i i don't i don't know if yours was it all depends how how we how you wanted what you wanted to talk about right because we could take it there

i mean

oh we could take it there hey but listen if you want to make it personal we'll make it personal right if you want to keep it if you want to keep it about athletic ability you're not very good you can take it there but if you want to take it to another place we can go there too

hey i don't hey i'm gonna make sure whatever you give me I'm going to give it back to you, plus shipping, and handling it because I need to make sure you get it.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

And like I said, anybody, with the exception of Beacock, anybody that did something dirty to me in the game, I got their ass back.

I made it look just like a plate.

From Periphery, hey, do I cut a dude in the Chargers?

Put him out for the rest of the year.

I'm going to get you back.

Man, you and my knee.

Hey, I got a family to feed.

You didn't think about that.

My family.

You don't give a damn about my family.

I give less than a damn about yours.

I can't play with him knees, though.

I can.

I can play with.

He played with my knees.

Yeah.

It's a game.

Hey, don't you want to play this game, Ocho?

Yeah, I understand.

But you know, once that knee goes out, you know, most of the time, you're never the same.

Unless you're Adrian Peterson, you ain't never the same.

He didn't think about that when he hit me in my knee.

Yeah, I got you.

I got you.

So

you want me to think about his knees when he gave less than a damn about mine?

Hey, just a thought of that.

So what about my grandma?

What about my sister?

What about my kids?

Hey.

No, I'm going to get you back.

I'm going to get you back.

I'm not going to hurt my team.

I'm not going to get a penalty to hurt my team, but I will get you.

Oh, guess what?

You got a team, and I get him.

Right.

Y'all know how it is in the family.

You in the family, in the streets.

If I can't get you, I get somebody close to you.

Okay, okay, huh?

Okay.

It sounds like you said you sound like you sound like one of the yns now okay no hey

all i hey

how we do all i needed to know at the game how we doing this snap the whistle or snap to after the whistle because i can do it either way it don't make me no never mind right

so nah

you're not finna do that you're not finna cheap shot me and think i ain't gonna finna get you back but i think we played we played the falcons one time

man, and they caught me with that cheap shot.

I think whoever the defensive coordinator was that time in 2007,

they told him to do that.

They told whoever the safety was at that time,

I can't remember the safety's name.

I mean, the play was clearly over.

And the heck, the coach, whoever the deep coordinator, maybe the head coach, I need y'all to get Chad.

I need y'all to get Chad off his game.

Just hit him after the play.

I'm talking about, I'm clean walking back to the huddle.

Dude came full speed.

Full speed.

Clean my clock.

And the rep

came and and grabbed me and i'm telling so that's how y'all want to play

and that's how we're gonna play well obviously yes i wasn't a uh a physically imposing type player but unknown i lit their ass up after that oh i lit it that's hey that's that's that's that's um that's that's the game i did the the little saucer celebrate oh

man i had oh yeah i had midday

oh i we uh we had a what you call them the uh

we as a matter of fact we playing the bingles

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

No, it wasn't.

It wasn't us.

It wasn't us.

I took out the whole defensive line.

I did a text block.

How you took out everybody?

They tripped up.

They had to.

Leg whip everything.

I got the guy that was inside of me.

I crossed cross body him.

And then I leg whipped the guy that tried to jump.

Got him.

Wait.

They ain't called a leg whip?

No, didn't.

Yeah, they must not have been used to seeing it back then.

Don't worry, hey, I'm gonna get you back, Ocho.

I got to.

It's a must.

I'll forget my damn man, my bad.

I thought I was blocking.

Yeah,

John done zoomed one by my ear.

I'm just going to get, I'm going to get the corner.

Oh, yeah.

Uh, as look at 97 and see who the starting cornerback was for outside of

Dale Carter, and I forget the other guy, but man being him.

A new or New Orleans, no, he was at uh Kansas City, 97 starter, and he wore

Warfield, right?

Nah, oh, he, yeah, he was there.

I think that was like 2000.

Oh, Joe, that was the 2000.

Okay, I'm tripping, my bad.

Now,

they had done got soft then, but you know, dealing with DC and the other dude, uh, what's his, I can't think of his name.

Oh man.

Oh, we used to battle, Ocho.

Oh, when I say we battle,

I mean, sometimes, hey, they would just put me outside and say, we don't want you to just run him over.

Just fight him.

Okay.

Hey, hey,

just give me a couple of passes.

Let me keep my streak alive.

Catch, one catch a game.

I'm good.

How you want to do it?

Hey.

who was the DC was the left corner?

Who was the right corner?

James Hasty.

Oh, I remember James Hasty, boy.

James Hasty.

We asked him.

Hey, chat, ask.

Hey, me and Hasty used to battle.

Yeah, because he tried to punk the receivers.

I'm not it.

Not me.

Hey, James Hasty.

I'm talking about

S-H-A-R-P-E.

I don't play them games.

So you was there with Dave.

Remember I caught Dale Carter

with the Ravens with Prime.

Yeah.

I played a year with DC in Denver.

I mean, yeah, he came to us.

DC came, what year was DC?

Like 90,

like mid-90s, like 95, 96?

And then he played with me, but, you know,

him and Hasty, you know, as a homeboy.

You see, this ain't just a,

let's make sure we stay homeboy.

This ain't got nothing to do with you.

It got to do with him.

Right.

Me and me and what you call him, fell, me and D, uh, DT fell out by that.

Rest his soul.

Derek Thomas?

I was getting into it with Wayne Simmons.

I made sure I never cut DT, never, never tried to crack back on him or anything.

Me and Wayne Simmons getting into it.

He came.

I'm like, whoa, whoa.

I say, I say, DT,

this ain't got nothing to do with you.

Leave that alone.

Well, it got something to do with me now.

Uh-oh.

I said, let's not.

Hey, Ojoe, I say,

I say, bro, bro,

this ain't your fight.

Right, right.

Let his

Wayne Simmons rest his soul.

He tragically lost his life in an automobile accident.

yeah uh but bro

once i go in it's a rap it's a home

pittsburgh earl earl uh

what was the dude name earl holmes

earl holes

oh he got me too he got me though he got me oh man that joker got me

If you go back and look at it, I was mic'd up and we scored a touchdown and I went to him.

I said, we're going to take advantage of you.

You, the weak link.

Right.

You, that's you.

Earl was a mic back, right?

Earl was a mic back back then.

Yeah,

he was a

he was he was a plug.

Right.

Because you know back then they ran the 3-4.

Oh, that's right.

So he, yeah, they had the mic, the plug, the Sam, and the wheel.

Oh, yeah, he got me.

But

he said this was a child.

Bro,

no, a child is just somebody walking off and you kick the back of their foot and they trip.

This ain't no childish.

That's grown man behavior.

Bro, you, ocho, you know why they got it?

Yeah.

Because the whole world is watching that game.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

And they tried to go to commercial and they get this no, though.

We can't go to commercial.

We can't go to commercial now.

Everybody see that.

Yeah.

And you saw that picture of Juju?

It looked like.

I got it.

Ocho.

That's a meme.

Oh, man.

Come on now.

Hey.

Hey,

ain't nothing wrong with a little scuffle.

Every blue moon.

Every blue moon.

Keep it exciting.

Keep it exciting, every blue moon.

Bro, you think you're boy, you think you're finna shove me in my face, and I'm just gonna just let that walk.

We the boat.

The only thing I hate, Juju, congratulations, Juju.

You able to do it.

Hey, everybody, keep your hands to yourself.

That's the number one rule.

Keep your hands to yourself.

You ain't got no kids this age, so don't put your hands on me.

Boy,

a whole new football game would have been played on on that field.

I don't know if that field, that turf got tore up,

but it got tore up after that.

And Juju, Juju came, but he was like,

he ain't come in no foot.

Because come on, man.

Pacheco got the dude, and the dude grabbed your face mask and still throw you down.

Hell no.

Hey.

Good ain't ain't nothing like a good old squabble.

Somebody talk about

leave podcast, state of podcast to leave football to real men.

I guess you didn't know what I did before I started podcasting.

I don't know if he's going to win this appeal.

I mean, oh, that's a lot of money, Ocho.

That's 70, that's a game check they're taking away from him.

Wait, how much is it?

I don't know what you find.

$76,000.

$76,624, a game check.

I know he's going to get a game for that.

Ocho, the whole world saw that.

Yeah.

It's the same thing with

Carter.

Jalen Carter.

Jalen Carter.

Had it happened in the game, he'd have got suspended.

But because he got ejected, and when you get ejected, X, Y, and Z, that's why they didn't suspend him.

Oh, I already knew he was getting a game.

He was going to get that game.

And the whole world saw that?

They watching?

They might be a little bit.

NFL ain't going to let you, ain't going to let you, ain't going to let you.

They don't do everything they can to protect that shield, Ocho.

You know that.

Oh, but they might be a shot.

If they find you for your socks roll down, Ocho, how many times do you think I'd have got fired for socks rolled down?

Now they let the guys cut the jersey.

We tried to cut our jersey.

That was $5,010,000.

Y'all owe me about $150,000 back.

Hey, listen, I cut mine and had it sold.

It had it sold so it stopped right at the waistline.

Yes.

Got in trouble for that.

Got in trouble for my socks being too low.

Got in trouble for wearing gold cleats.

I used to cut the towel in the bathroom,

they made a little streamer hanging out, hanging off the street.

No, you can't hang it, make note.

It's got to be NFL issue.

And listen,

I take the fine.

The black chin strap, the orange chin strap, man, and they don't let you have them now because I used to have a blue.

I got a white one, but I used to have, I used to have a blue one.

Yeah, and I ain't paying for it.

This is my last helmet.

know if this

might be my last helmet.

Because I'm like, nah.

I acted right when I got to Baltimore.

I didn't do all that.

But nah, you,

guys,

this is how it normally works.

In an NFL game, if you cheap shot somebody, They go to hell and beyond to get you back.

But in the process of that, they make it look now.

Sometimes they just don't give a damn.

They're just like,

I'm going to take the 15-yard penalty.

I wasn't willing to put my team in harm's way by taking a 15-yard penalty.

So now I got to get your ass back, but I got to make it look like I'm blocking you.

But I'm going to get you back.

That's me.

When you do, when you take it here after there's no play going on, Ocho, everybody's decompressed.

Hey, boy, how you doing, man?

Good to see you, man.

Hey, good game, man.

Hey, Ocho, man, you balled it there.

Hey, man, congratulations.

Tough victory.

Hey, we'll see y'all down the road.

We'll see y'all again.

So forth and so on.

So ain't nobody thinking about that.

Right.

Once the game's over, I'm done.

Now, if I'm ticked off about something, I'm going straight to the locker room.

I'm not mingling around

because I already know.

See, me, Ocho, I'm a terrible loser.

I'm a worse winner.

So

you've been talking?

Oh, you've been talking, talking?

And we win?

Oh, I got to stay hold out there, Ocho.

I got to stay out there.

Yeah, and, you know, in Brian Branch's defense, obviously the game was over.

Juju went up to him.

So in a sense, he damn near provoked him.

Oh, Joe, the man stuck his hand out.

All you had to do was walk by.

So if somebody walked by to shake your hand and they mush you in the face, you provoked them, Ocho, because you stuck your hand out.

You see how that look?

You see how that sounds.

You stick your hand out to shake somebody's hand, they mush you in your face.

Yeah.

I know how the optics of it look, but I also know that goddamn those folks in that appeal office, whoever you got appealed to, they seen the goddamn game.

James Thrash and uh Brooks.

So Merton Hanks don't do it no more?

Uh-uh.

Yeah.

Merton.

Runyon took

John Runyon took Merton's.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, goddamn.

But but Thrash, so

you appeal either to James

Thrash or Brooks.

Derek D Brick DB, Brooksy.

And then it goes to, so Runyon hands it out, and then you appeal it to

Thrash and Brooks.

Okay.

But just, bro, he got you.

So let me ask you a question, Ocho.

You think that's the first time that Brian Branch has ever been hitting the clipped in the back?

Oh,

probably not.

A toss crack?

No, no, absolutely not.

But I think so.

If you play safety, of course.

Yeah, but Juju is one who's known to get under people's skin.

He's done it before.

Yes.

And

he got him good.

To get Brian Branch to break characters like that

in a game, not only during the game, but after the game as well, like, you know, it had to be something serious.

Well, he could have played.

He couldn't play it in the 90s and 2000s.

Because what was he going to do with Heinz Ward?

Oh, oh, man.

What was he going to do with Heinz Ward?

Nah, that's a different ball game.

So he upset about Juju?

Yeah, they changed the rules because of Heinz Ward.

Yeah, remember what Juju did to Berfick?

Remember, you got Berfick, yes.

I remember, I remember what Hines did to Keith Rivers, it broke his jaw, yeah, yes, yeah,

they outlawed the blind side block because of him.

Sap was the one that they put the defense, can't crack back on because when Sap got Chad Clifton,

and I think what he just dislocated his hip.

That sounds familiar.

Chad Clifton,

he was an offensive lineman.

Okay, Tampa got a pick.

He was chasing and Sap peeled back.

I think he dislocated his hip.

That's why him and the head coach was going into it.

And Sap told him, you so tough, put a helmet on.

You so tough, put a helmet on.

I remember that game.

Yeah.

I remember that game.

Bad is

football.

God, oh Joe, you know

you're going to get clipped.

You're going to get hit.

Things, it's football something gonna happen for me once the game is over if i didn't get your ass back in that game right hopefully it's a division opponent because i see your ass again either at your place or ours and i'm gonna remember too i'm not gonna

i block an elephant i won't forget it yeah and

the the best memory of all

is get back but i look I think the thing is, is that just take ownership.

You see how Dan Campbell was.

Dan Campbell said, I love him.

He said, that ain't who we are.

Right.

Take,

but hey, just take ownership of it.

Say, it was my bad.

I let my emotions get the best of me.

You want to appeal it?

I ain't got no problem.

Yes, appeal it.

Right.

But to say this was a little childish thing.

Look, look, little, little Sam, little Sam.

Little scrum.

Little scrum.

Hey.

Ojo.

After Tua dined out his teammates during the last night press conference, Mike McDaniels said today he believes Tua could have handled things differently.

Yeah, by not throwing three interceptions.

Let's take a listen to what the head coach had to say.

After a loss as the franchise quarterback, that's not the forum to displace that.

I think he knows that now.

I do honestly believe it was not.

There's no ill intention, but you're talking about,

you know I think kind of a misguided represent representation of

player orchestrated film sessions

and

you know the bottom line is no one's going to be happy and always is looking for

reasons

for failure to succeed so you're trying to look for reasons that

you know you can attribute to losses and there's a you know heavy heavy is the crown of being a franchise quarterback.

I think, you know, what I do know is that he's directly communicated with

a lot of guys

starting with last night, and that's what

teammates do.

And

you

live and you learn.

What's wrong with Mike, huh?

He beat, bro.

He knows it's over, Ocho.

He knows it's over.

I know.

It just doesn't seem right.

Not only that, but the way.

You lose it, and you know, after the end of the year, it might become before the end of the year.

You see, we're going to talk about the Tennessee situation,

how Callahan, after a year and a half, he got dismissed, which is seemingly

not shocking.

Because if you go look at most of the last number one overall draft picks, say in the last 10 years, only two coaches have remained the entire season.

And they were fired, and one of them was fired after the season.

So with that being said,

Tua,

if film study, if this is something that you guys instituted,

you being a captain, you're responsible for making sure everybody shows up and how important it is to be on time.

That's not Mac McDaniel's job.

Now, if they show up late to his meeting, they ain't got nothing to do with it.

Yeah, you try to say, hey, come on, guys, guys, let's be professional.

Let's be pros.

Profession is our occupation.

We're professional football players.

A pro is how we go about our business.

We show up on time.

That.

Now, if you had

team

individual, let's say wide receiver, you got film study, or we got film study as an offense.

As the captain, it's my job to make sure and

explain it clearly, concise.

It starts at this time.

Guys, this kind of what got us in this situation.

We started letting things slip.

We started letting one minute turn to two minutes, turn to three minutes, turn to five minutes, and guys started walking himself eight, nine, ten minutes after.

You see, guys start coming, you know, running on the field with the pads on thing.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No,

that wasn't happening.

That can't happen.

And so you have to make them have to hope they understand the importance, but it's hard because

I don't think people look at Tua as a leader.

That's his problem.

Hey, you know what?

I have to say something.

If they didn't see Tua as a quarterback, number one, if they didn't see Tua as a leader,

then they wouldn't have paid him what they paid him, huh?

No.

Tell me what choice they have.

Now,

Brian Flores wanted Justin Herbert.

The owner

wanted Tua.

So guess who won?

Could you imagine?

Brian Flores didn't play that.

Brian Flores came from Bill Belichick.

You know damn well, you're not walking into team meetings.

You're not walking to individual meetings.

You're not walking into meetings late.

You're not walking into practice late.

You're going to be at the plane on time.

But they didn't like that.

That was too difficult.

So now this is what you got.

Former Dolphins wide receiver, Deshaun Hamilton, says Tua himself showed up late for the first team meeting and nobody seemed to care.

Doesn't seem like his fellow players respect him or see Tua as the leader of the team.

Who said from the outside looking in?

He played with Tour.

Who said that?

What's his name?

A former teammate, Deshaun Hamilton.

Damn, man.

That's not good when they come out talking, talking, talking about you.

All I know as a former NFL player with 14 seasons under my belt and being a leader, I know what leadership looks like and I know when people respect you as such, right?

They don't.

No, they don't.

Now they're going to come out.

Listen, they're going to come out and say all the things they're going to say, you know, everything is cool, but they don't.

Right.

I've been there.

I've said things about a locker room and everybody attacked me.

And then after the season, it started leaking out.

Yeah, blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah.

Hey, I'm going to take it on the chat.

Oh, hey.

They don't.

They don't.

I promise you, it wasn't very often when things weren't going well.

Hey, guys,

let's have a quick meeting.

Ideas, wide receivers, let's meet right quick.

Hey, let's get together as an offensive group.

No callouts?

No, we don't have to call nobody out.

But everybody, hey, we got, hey, hey, we got a quick meeting, such and such.

Hey, after everybody walk out the field, hey, hold on for just a second.

Right.

But that was a respect level that they have to have for you.

But you can't ask more than you're willing to give.

See, you can't ask somebody to be on time and then you show up late.

You can't ask somebody to give their all and you don't.

You can't ask somebody to take a needle to the butt, to the knee, to the back, to whatever, to the shoulders, to the ribs, when you won't.

Right.

You never ask more than you're willing to give yourself.

Don't ask somebody to come in in shape and your fat ass out of shape.

That's how I operate.

It's really, it's really simple.

Guys know, man, look, I already know Sharp is going to be on time.

I already know Sharp getting his rest.

I already know Sharp studied his stuff.

That's how you got the lead.

See,

everything Tua said could have been true, but you can't say that after you turn the ball over three times because it make it seem like you didn't take your ass to the meeting because you were throwing the ball right to him.

You see how that see it timing has a lot to do with when and what you say, Ocho.

Right.

You can't.

Now, Tua goes out there, Ocho.

He throws throws for 400, got four touchdowns.

Oh, he good.

He Gucci.

But you go out there and you throw three picks.

So I want to know, but them guys coming in late to meeting, them guys not coming to meeting, how did that

cause you to throw those three interceptions?

That's.

I just don't believe it.

I could be totally wrong.

I doubt it.

I don't believe the bulk of those guys look at him as the true leader of that team.

Let me ask you a question.

If Patrick Mahomes called a team meeting and says, okay, guys, I want to receive blah, blah, blah.

You think they're coming in late?

No.

If Lamar Jackson calls that, if Josh Allen, because you said he's a franchise quarterback, franchise quarterbacks call things, people show up.

Right.

It didn't do him any good.

What was his quote about whether he loses, he goes home to his kids and they're happy to see him?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No matter what.

Even though that might be true, you can't say that.

Right.

Hey, that's tough.

That's tough.

Especially the part about your players, your players that in the locker room that are supposed to view you.

Listen, they voted you captain.

If everybody voted you captain, it was.

I'm assuming it was you.

Bruh, stop it.

You know good and damn well how that

that

rig boated system.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I just never seen, never seen a team.

Or I think more stuff is going to come out.

More stuff is going to unravel

as things get worse.

You know, I mean, they can only go up from here.

Oh, Joe, I'm not on social media.

I go home, see my kids, whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns, we win the game, we lose the game.

I get to come home to my kids who are happy to see me every time.

Boy, you think I want to hear that?

No, no.

I'm happy you get to go home.

I'm happy you get to go home.

I'm happy.

I am happy that it does.

I'm sad.

I'm disappointed that it don't bother you.

Because guess what?

It bothers me.

Because I knew what I put in.

So that tells me you're not putting enough in.

Because when you put something in, Ocho, chat, you know this.

When you put something in, when you work really, really hard for something and it doesn't go well, it bothers you.

Yeah.

And for it not to bother him,

yep.

That's that's the hell to the now.

Now, see, I'm gonna have a problem with him, Ocho.

I'm gonna have a problem because it's gotta matter to you.

Yeah, it's gotta matter, and it don't matter enough to it.

Well, listen, listen,

everything matters to different people in different ways.

Some handle it and show it in different ways, huh?

No, somebody might

show his a little different than you show yours.

You You might be a little bit more voicerous, a little boisterous.

Name a great player.

I'll tell you what.

Go interview any great player

in anything in business.

They work really, really hard to close this deal.

And it didn't close.

Ask any great.

I'm talking about, I mean, I would like to think he's trying to be great.

They're paying him to be great.

Absolutely.

Name the great player

that have failed at something.

And they, well, I got to go home to my kids.

I don't like the way he said it like that.

I'm just saying,

it's funny.

It's funny how I hear people, and I hear these people that's worth billions and billions of dollars.

And they built these companies.

They say, guys, you expect to work.

36 to 40 hours a week.

You expect to have this X, Y, and Z

and be great and have this enormous enormous wealth and have work-life balance.

If you don't want, if you want work-life balance, that's fine.

That's fine.

But I just

just go talk to the greats.

Ask Michael Jordan how he felt when he lost.

Ask Kobe, ask Braun, ask John Elway, ask Peyton, ask Tom Brady, ask Rick, ask any of the greats, because I think that's what he aspires to be.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, that's what you play the game for.

But, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, that's the case.

Don't say that.

Everything, see, everything is not meant to be said.

You might feel a certain way about a certain thing.

Just keep it to yourself.

Because you know how a lot of guys not.

Because a lot of guys, it bothers them to lose

because they put a lot into it.

That's not to say to it, don't.

Just keep that to yourself.

Yeah.

Hey, it's going to be tough, man.

I hope Mike McDaniels make it.

I don't know if he is.

If he's going to make it, it's all going to be on Tua's shoulders.

You know, as Tua goes, the rest of that team goes, especially offensively.

You let one sleep, you let one slip away from you last week.

Hey, something will have to turn around.

But Mr.

I think the Ocho.

Yeah.

I don't think Mac McDaniel is gonna be there next year.

Now, the question is:

the next coach,

you got money tied up in him.

How can that does the next coach believe?

Because here's the thing: they're probably gonna say, What can you do with Tuva?

Because you know, that's what happens, Ocho.

Yeah, everybody coming in there.

I can do this, I can get this out of him, I can make him blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Everybody's selling, they're gonna sell a dream every time.

You know what?

They're gonna sell a dream dream every time.