Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Steelers beating the Browns, Ravens dropping to 1-5, Tua postgame

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Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Han Hayden.
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You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing, Joe? Man, Debo, I'm doing great, man.
You know,

every teddy, I knew to look at my phone and expect a call.

I was, look, I like I said, Debo, I wanted a good you was ignoring me, you were sending me, you were sending me, you was, you were disrespectful, you were real disrespectful.

You were sending me to the, to the, you were sending me to the voicemail and everything else. After the first

time, and I got the first point after the first three tutties, you was calling me, just trying to just rub it in. Like, I was all brownie, brownie, brownie.
I had love for both teams.

Okay, I gotta, I gotta, Debo, I gotta watch you. I gotta watch you, bro.
I gotta watch you. You, what you gotta watch me for?

i'm just trying

joe i'm just trying to figure out where you at you know

you know

i'm i am i i played for the stillers so this is what it this is what it comes down to for real debo i understand now as a fan as a fan watching the games i understand how the stillers fans feel and i understand how the browns fans feel it's a way more chill feeling when you're a stillers fan because you're expecting you know what's going to happen it's real smooth browns fans that just it was bad bad it was just bad ball so we're gonna get into it but it my my my i just know my stillers vibe i'm all the way that looked amazing my browns vibe they got things to they there's things to be talked about on that side okay so it's things to be talked so you good over here and then it's things to be talked about over here is what you're saying okay debo so now you listening

Okay, so

what I want to do is go ahead, I guess, you know, and

get into the game, baby. You know,

of course, the Steelers beat the Browns. What was that? 23-9?

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Browns still can't score over 17. Hold up.

What you doing, boy?

This boy, dude, every time we play the Browns, I got to remove everything that's orange out of here. This dude pulls down his pants and starts pissing on stuff.
Man, Joe, give me a minute, bro. bro.

So much your dog. Oh, my God, dude.

See, what you doing? On a live podcast, get down. Fuck with your ass.
And you done pissed on my shelf, too, boy. And Debo's looking at me and they mad at me about not being

talking about whipping me for pissing out orange. Ain't you the one that slammed that Browns fan?

And I didn't even know you still had a Cincinnati Bangles helmet. I'm going to piss on that next.
Get your ass out, my womb. Go, go, get out of here.

Debo, get your dog. don't slam my door

damn

my bad you got to get control of your household my brother hold up my bad joe that boy that boy was up over there pissing on orange and all that i

see oh all right anyway here let me let me get back to where i was at like i said

the stillers

whooped on the browns 23 to 9. and you know what i you know what you know what happened the first play was like foreshadowing you know i saw

first play we gone here We ain't hit that tight end and I don't know how many games. And we hit him for 36, baby.
We hit him for 36 on the first play. They didn't even know what to do.

The boy's seven feet tall, so I don't know how they missed covering him.

It was a great play, bro. They motioned him inside.
He inserted. You know what I'm saying? And then they had a new cornerback that we got.

that back there he had a he had a long long day but i look he made some great plays out there long day got a little confused in coverage and your man washington ran straight down on the seven route wide open So they just busted off.

First, like missed coverage, Browns let us supposed to play. Still has made it look easy.
Oh, yeah. We stalled out a little bit.
So we only, we only got three. We only got three.
Yeah.

And then we, you know, Cleveland came back and, you know, we think we offered there on that third down and completion. But they caught, uh, they caught TJ in the neutral zone.

So that made it third to five, gave him an opportunity. I think the next one was a 12-yard completion to continue to drive.

You know,

but, you know, we worked it with Ben, Ben, Ben, but don't necessarily break. Plus, Cleveland, they, you know, they returned to favor with the unnecessary roughness.

They wanted to get tough with Lil Pizzy. So that had them stall it out.
They had to punt the rock.

And you know who we are, man. We're the Pittsburgh Stillers, you know.

Us.

I'm not putting you in here. So you understand.
Yep. I just.

Defenses, bro. The beginning, man.
The Browns at the end of the day was Ben, but don't break. Stillers, Ben, but don't break.

Defenses did good the first two drives. They made sure they had to punt flags all over the place.

Then we had to, yeah, like you said, we had the punt return. The Stillers had a great punt return.
Blind side block.

I think that he did a pretty good block. I don't think Peppers tried to, you know what I'm saying? I think he tried to do that.
Blindside block. He was on his side, dude.
And he's turned.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. He did the way that they teach him.
Like, you put your back on him, you throw your hands up. So I think that was a bad call.

You know,

A-Rod hit dk mc half for a couple of plays but they had to punt brown's defense was playing good at the very beginning at the at the beginning of the game too but you can only do but so much

i mean i mean it's okay joe because i'm hearing a lot more frustration than i am happiness because that that jalen brown sack right there on that first down to go ahead put him behind the chains have him

force him kick that good punt and you know what happened right then the second quarter we started with 11 play drive did but we ended up selling for a field goal again that's what that's what you keep saying that i'm like 11 play drive was looking good in the red zone if you was getting to the getting to the red zone moving the ball but it was tough to get it in there hey the pressure was coming

hey third down right immediately the next possession we get that third down sack man get up out of there

what happened we go ahead drive down the field again man it's 10 yards it's 10 plays but

we end up selling for another field goal goal. Warren,

that's nine. That's bank.
That's bankroll. Bank rope.
Shout out, bankroll.

Bank rope. Bank rope was on the mountain.
Boom. You know what I'm saying? He had a 44, 50, 48.
So y'all got in there doing good, but Boswell was able to get it.

I'm glad you said y'all. And then, you know, y'all.
You making me feel some type of way, Deborah. You know, y'all, right before halftime, y'all, y'all got, y'all got lucky.
16 plus 72 yards.

And like you say, our defense, my defense, defense, Stiller's defense, little Ben, don't break. Halftime, three to nine.
Looks like a close game. It really ain't as close as it is.
Hey,

but I'm going to tell you this, Debo, going into halftime, though, don't lie. I'm not going to lie.

Our Stillers were smacking the Browns coming across the middle. Like there were some alligator arms that started coming to the tight end was one of them.

Man, he hit my man Joku in his heart. Fum.
And I didn't know if he was going to get up, up, lost his wind and everything. He came back in the game.

But then Jerry Judy, some of them, like, he was coming across those middle. He was throwing those passes, Dylan.

And you see them dudes like looking at the safety instead of looking at the rock a couple of times.

So, I mean, I think the still is banging, hitting out there was making some of them arms get a little short, getting a little tight, looking for the rock. Oh, yeah, for sure.

But y'all helped us out on that punt. when we came back in the second half, dude, and

that right there was a huge turning point buddy allowed us to go down there score that touchdown connor hayward 12-yard touchdown beautiful thing man brother that right there debo was actually beautiful and that was the part when i was looking at the game like end of the day defense playing good both defenses are playing well you know what i'm saying like bimba don't break but that's the point when you aaron rodgers was scrambling making plays like i don't give a damn i'd rather the ball be in his hands than Dylan Gabriel because it's just like their offensive going, he's going to make something happen.

He's not going to mess it up, but he's also going to give us a reason to win. Like, there's a difference between not messing it up, zero, you see, right, Dylan Gabriel, zero touchdowns, zero picks.

That's not losing, but that's not winning. You know what I'm saying? Like, Aaron Rodgers, if the ball's in his hands, you just feel like he's scrambling.

directing traffic told him like uh no no no go back this way hayward spinning that joint beautifully touchdown so that that part right there looked sick.

And that's when I was looking at the Steelers like this. You know what, guys? Obviously, they have the defense.
They have now the running back. You got Gamewell.
He was toting it.

And Warren was toting the ball. So he had a run game.
He had the receiver, DK Metcalf going crazy. Big Washington getting him involved.
It just looked like an overall team. It was a team effort.

Even though they didn't make it, they made it to the red zone a lot in the first half, was able to get field goals, weren't able to score, but just consistency.

Still, like after that touchdown, they ended up going down and scoring the field goal, made it 616.

But again, you know, we're the Pittsburgh Steelers, we ain't gonna, we ain't gonna, we ain't gonna do nothing halfway. And that, that man, that man, um, that rare showed off again.

Oh, DK Medcalf, 25-yard touchdown. Hey, you know what's so crazy, though, is this cigar is called,

the brand is My Father, and that's what we are to the Browns. And

the actual name of this one is the judge. And we judged y'all wanting and needing and we whipped that ass.
But anyway, let me get back to that good 25-yard DK touchdown that put us up 23 to 6, man.

And again, man, the defense allows a 16, 18 play drive, two penalties, helped them, you know, extend the drive on positions, points, third down where we thought we were going to be able to get off the field.

but hey man but don't break nine to 23 i could take that no

not really though they come back out and we do a three and out bro

three and out yeah

this is what i'm trying to say the browns defense can only do but so much like we're not saying that the steelers offense play amazing did the best they could have definitely did better but i mean it's just it's the flow of the game you're not going to be able to go blow the browns defense out that's a good ass defense out there and when they keep giving opportunities back to their offensive side of the ball and you get nothing you get nathaniel how the hell you gonna win like that so that's why i'm looking at it like it was a team effort when you know when the stealers knew if when they get a stop it's offense defense special teams working together you get a stop you're putting the ball at aaron rodgers hands and you believe he's going to be able to get a touchdown he's going to be able to get points he's going to be able to get first downs move the ball down the field and then end of the day if you don't bank robots going to knock down a field goal So it's team ball and things are just going to be like everybody's working together.

On the Brown side, it just looks like the defense is out there fighting for your life. And if you keep giving somebody love and hooking them up and they ain't giving you nothing, that's demoralizing.

You can't score at all, like no touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? So

it's just a bad feeling. It's a bad feeling.
I mean, as a brown shit, I mean, you had an opportunity there. Well, not really, but drop passes.

Yes. Yes.
A lot of drop passes. And then we had a chance to really just shut it out.
And the field at Aquisher

helped out the Browns. Man.
My dude losed his footing.

Man, ain't no telling what could happen. What's so crazy is that ain't the worst that feel's been.
2007, dude. That field was so bad, the ball got stuck in it straight up.

A punt, bro. I swear.
Straight up and up. Like it was crazy.
Plug like a golf shot.

Yeah, for for sure and basically after that the nine to 23 we hold strong it ends there game basically over with but um

pittsburgh still is offense yes listen hey they did a better job of run blocking

They protect the quarterback zero sets. Miles Garrett only had two tackles.
No pressures, no hits on the quarterback. Like, what are you talking about?

And that is from our tackle that has been having a downseason. He has gave up the most sacks out of any tackle in the league, but he didn't get none to your guy.
You know why?

Because we fly high when the orange in the sky. You understand?

We got 100 yards combined rushing. I'm going to take it.
It ain't from one person, but I'm going to take it. And then you know what we did? We got the tight ends involved.

Washington was three for 62. He actually had five targets.
Okay. Smith was three for 18.
Connor had a touchdown for 12. Flyer move had one for 11.

Washington was the second leading receiver on the team. That's why he was wide open.
They like, yo, he's coming out the block. No, he ain't just coming out the block.

We're going to show you that he can do more than what y'all think he can do. And now you got to worry about them tight ends.
Now you done gave Aaron more targets. Aaron was greatly effective.

You talking 21 to 30, 235, two touchdowns.

Here we go, Steelers. Here we go.

Hey, and that defense now.

Six sacks.

Six sacks. Hey, listen, we played the run better.
I know they only rushed 17 times, but we played it better. We ain't give it.
Why in the world is what I'm trying to figure out is.

Why they have him pass the ball like like 52 times. Why they had that boy pass, but you think a rookie go coming.
I understand he got a lot of games under his belt and all that other stuff.

It's a different thing, you know what I'm saying? When you get to league, you go have him come in here and think he go pass on the Pittsburgh Stillers 52 times and you go win that game.

Not to mention that our defense dropped three, four picks that they had in their hands that they should have came up with.

You took the words out of my, you took the word out of my mouth with that one.

But hey, all in all,

we

the Pittsburgh Stillers is getting ever better every week.

And that's all we need to do is keep inclining so that when we get to that point, when it's elimination time, we're shooting off like a rocket.

That is correct, Debo. The Stillers,

Aaron Rodgers look better. Everything you said is correct.
Getting the tight ends involved, even if they run for 100 yards, it doesn't matter. It's just...

giving the ball up, making sure you keep that thing going no matter if you're giving it to Jalen or Gangway.

Or just making sure you got a run game that's effective and just keep handing the the ball off. So they got to make sure they watch for that.
So I'm not mad at the Steelers at all.

They did great and it's looking like they're doing better and better. Like I said too, how do you think Dylan Gabriel, do you expect him to come into the Steel?

You haven't won in 22 times there and dough the ball 52 times and win. That's not going to work.

And then we dropped one, like you said too, zero touchdowns, zero picks, but it hit about three received Steelers upside the head. My man

Junior, Joey Porter Jr. had one.
Smooth, we had one.

The defensive end, my man, uh, 51, he had one. It's just a lot of passes that could have easily been picked.
We're not, Jutkins ran the ball 12 times for 36 yards.

Like, we got to get him more opportunities. There's no way that he's going to walk into that game and be able to go against the Steelers.

And especially when we're behind the sticks, when we're letting them dudes blitz, knowing the line's looking crazy, knowing our tackles are having a tough time, blocking SWAT, blocking Highsmith, blocking Cam, blocking any of them dudes.

You know what I'm saying? So that was not the, it was, it was a coaching error.

You can't come in there with a game plan thinking you're going to win with the why are you surprised that it's a coaching era? I'm not surprised.

The coach didn't even know who the hell his backup was. Coach, coach, Debo, Debo.
I'm not surprised. I'm just stating what's happening.

I understand what you're saying. I'm puffing on a cigar that ain't even lit, but that's how good I feel, Joe.
That's how good I feel. I could feel what it feels like.

If because I just feel so good today, I got two. So if not when we put on my Stella's hat,

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Like Jalen Ramsey out there making sacks. Everybody communicated.
That draw looks, kept him out of the end zone.

Obviously, it wasn't maybe too hard because the Browns offense wasn't really too effective. Dylan Gabriel did do a pretty good job, but he could have thrown three picks.

Some of his passes were still errant. And I think he's going to be, he's not a bad.

He's going to be solid. He's going to be good.
I don't think the Browns are helping him in any way with

his progression of becoming a better quarterback right now. And that's not to say I want, if they push a door.
22 games, three games, whatever it is. No, no, no, for sure, for sure.

But I'm saying 52 times versus stillers and in the first joint in london like handing the ball that was a better process than this if they would have came in giving the ball off the juck he would have had at least 20 carries then that's like okay bet you're not trying to set my man back but you made him throw 52 times get sacked six times you got hit upside the head 17 times like that's what it came down to man is this our defense played better than y'all defense

Because we played against the Browns offense, which is, I mean, it's a professional professional football team, but it is the Browns offense.

It's the same team who hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last 11 games straight.

So, I mean,

it's to be expected. And I don't see why they would have been able to score 17 points on us.
You know, that's just

the hard nature of

Browns playing the Stillers.

I mean, Debo, I mean, look,

I'm not here to argue with you. I'm not here today.

I'm not here to argue. I'm not here to argue.
I'm here to state how I feel about the Browns situation, and then I'm here to state how I feel about the Stillers.

Stillers are looking good, and I would know why

you expect for the Browns to play the Stillers hard because that's a division game, and every time they come over there, anything could happen.

But once the game gets to going and people get to making the plays and you see what's going on in the football field, I was not expecting for the Steelers to get that game away.

They just looked like they were getting warming up, getting they will right.

And then next thing you know, a rod started doing a rod stuff and that's just not what we have on the offensive side of ball for the browns so

yep still is a lead in the division and it don't look like it's going to be changing anytime soon no question and speaking of the division the ravens got popped too but i will say this watching the game brother looking at it Going back and forth in between,

I'm looking, the first possession dude, and Baltimore comes out there and i'm like oh they getting back to baltimore football oh shit derrick henry right derrick henry let derrick henry right derrick can relet derrick him right derrick henry let they get a holding penalty that stalls them out they end up settling for three

okay

okay

it's looking all right it's looking all right

la comes out They move it a little, but they missed the field goal, right?

Cool. I'm like, like, all right, the Ravens getting the ball back.

You know, I don't want them to be too sorry, you know, because we still got to at least have a little competition, something good for the fans to see.

Don't nobody want to go to the games 21-0 before the first quarter over with.

And the Ravens come out there and your boy Rush throws an interception.

And it kind of felt like after that, LA was like, yo.

Y'all ain't go one-up us on this. Go ahead, get the sack fumble.

Baltimore recover the ball, give it back to him.

A.

And they won't.

The Ravens defense definitely played better.

Oh, yeah.

They played better. They played better.
They played better. I thought Matthew Stafford was going to pick them apart.

But like you said, when they had that strip sack, when they were trying to get down there to score, I'm like, okay, look, better Ravens defense. So I had to make sure we...

get them a little bit of love because they've been looking the worst in the entire league by far but they they stepped up a little bit versus the rams yeah they they end up uh

going for it though that next possession i believe it was fourth

fourth and i want to say it might have been one given no

yeah they went for it on fourth down and they didn't make it but uh

i think at that point in time it might have gave them a shorter field they ended up tying it up 3-3.

And

the Ravens get the ball back and they just totally forget about Derrick Henry.

I don't know what happened.

They just forgot about what they did the first couple possessions and how it helped them out. And immediately the Rams helped them out too.
They just went on here, did a quick three and out.

So Ravens get the rod back. They're like, oh, yeah, I done forgot.
We got Derrick Henry. So they go ahead and start handing that man the rock again.

But

again,

dude, on fourth and one, they get zero points at the one-yard line. Yes, this is when they did, they did, they did the tush-push on the third down,

and then your man Derrick Henry tried to run it on the fourth down and lost the yard.

Yo, wow.

So, that right there could have got you, you know, could have got you three points if you went on here and went for it because immediately, beginning of third quarter, the Rams drive on down there, nine plays, 76 yards, get the tutty.

Also, they got help because uh, Puka ended up getting hurt.

Yeah, they didn't have to deal with him that whole game.

And then

your boy Rush would come out, fumble the ball, give it right back to the Rams on the 21, and they score another tutty.

I guess they got tired and set him down, buddy.

That was all I guess they could take. Yeah, no, for sure.

They ain't do too much, man, on the offensive side.

But like you said, i'm blaming that when you know you don't have lamar jackson keep handing the ball off to derrick handry until just keep giving him just keep giving it to him he was eating like you gotta show me something different

for sure if they don't it you ain't gotta really show him nothing different i think i think they ended up getting a new offense coordinator this year so the guy that was there yeah last year did what he was doing i think he the newer guy the new guy there finally was like yo we i guess we gotta we gotta run the rock if we're gonna have a chance Yeah.

You know, even then, it was still 17, you know, 17 to three.

They had an opportunity. I think it was a fourth down they went for, ended up getting sat.

And,

you know, from there, Ravens started driving the ball. I believe they turned it over on downs.
And, you know, it ain't no more than just under four minutes left.

You know, it's basically over with after that.

But the big thing

for the Ravens is

I think for the offense, that first possession, they started getting back to Baltimore football, you know, running, running Derrick Henry, you know, the way he should, using Derrick Henry, the way he should be, you know, the way he should be run or used, I should say.

And then, you know,

the

defense. They played better,

but

you needed

need a little bit more in situational things, I guess, to

get down with

what you're trying to accomplish.

I don't think they

took,

took as much planning as they needed to

try and finish it out.

And they also, they hurt too. I can give them that, but they were still playing bad before he got hurt.
No, for sure, for sure.

If your offense isn't doing too too well, brother, if your offense ain't doing good, your defense ain't doing good.

I mean,

it's not a good winning recipe to win games.

And your defense is playing really, really bad. You lose your best offensive threat, Lamar Jackson.
Right now, they're just trying to stay afloat.

Right, they're hoping to get him back after the buy. So, I mean, that's the only, that's the only chance they got when you look at it.

You know, over the last, what, three weeks, they've been outscored 98 to 33.

Like, you can't, you can't win like that. No, Debo.
You can't. It's on, what does they one and five? It's only been one team

since they started the new format of 14 playoff teams that made the playoffs that was one and five. And that was Washington in 2020.
They started one and five and made the playoffs.

Ravens ain't making the playoffs.

Yeah, no. No, sir.
And it's not, like, like you said, the defense, hopefully they start getting some players back. Lamar Jackson has to come back.

Then Lamar Jackson, the offense was, they weren't like blowing people out when he was there.

And the defense was, wasn't playing good so hopefully if the defense can start playing better and he comes back with a flow on how much better you want the defense to play though they already number one joe

defense for the ravens oh i'm tripping i'm thinking i'm thinking of baltimore sorry i mean i'm thinking of cleveland sorry yeah no i'm talking i'm talking about the ravens yeah okay yeah they they they're like the opposite they're probably 30.

oh yeah they're last they they got it 31 or 32.

they got a dude they they they can they have a way to get a hold they got it they have a lot of room of improvement if they can get better and start tightening it up like they did in this game and lamar comes back and performs at a high level they have to win out though like there's not when he gets back they're one and five it's they have to go basically down there undefeated because do you think he still comes back if the hamstring is a little iffy

i think if they keep losing and they lose another they keep if it's he his hamstring you it needs to be healed 100 anyway you know what i'm saying and if that takes another two weeks another three weeks um and then they're one and eight then i mean what kind of

what what is the point you know what i'm saying you kind of want them to get back and if they get mathematically damn near eliminated then you don't want to risk lamar jackson's long-term future for him to just come back and for what

yeah i'm i'm i'm with you there like you don't want to have him come back you are

dead last right now and have him go in there on a you know 80 hamstring and he go to hit another gear and

forbid you know, God forbid he tear the thing off the bone or something. Like that's, that's, you know, that's something that's going to lead into the next year.
The part is not rusher. Don't rush.

Let him get all the rest. Let him recover that thing 100% for sure.

Yeah,

if they don't let him do that, it's going to,

it's not going to be,

I don't think it'll be pretty because

he's too.

He's too elusive, powerful. He's going to, he's not going to think about it.
He's going to go to dig, to take off, to get past somebody. And, you know, that's gonna be it.

You can't go out there and play it, you know, 80% the way he, you know, the way he plays the game. Yep,

he gotta be full of tilt. No question.
So, during the coach's pregame warm-up, this was crazy.

The cornerback, Ward, he collided with the tight end, Ogletree, and suffered a concussion. This boy went into

pre-game concussion protocol out for the actual game. And then

Anthony Richardson,

he fractured his orbital bone with

a band, dude. Like,

how do you do that? Brother, you, Debo,

you know how tight them bands are. He probably was doing like a little mean hamstring swing up thing and it might have slipped off his foot.

He didn't play it out. He didn't play?

I don't know. He didn't play.
He couldn't play. No, he couldn't play.
Listen, I got a story for you, though. I did that same thing, bro.
I blew my orbital in

Houston and my helmet came and shot down into my eye. And at the time, bro, I ain't lying.

So.

I'm like, you know how you blink your eyes to try and get, you know, try and get them back straight.

So I'm sitting there and my eye, what I didn't know at the time is I blew my order. So my eye was no longer sitting on that potato chip bone.
Yeah. So it dropped down.

So as I'm looking at the stadium at Houston, I'm seeing four decks.

I'm seeing, you know, how they got the scoreboard across the middle. I'm seeing two of those and then two of those up there.
But if I close my right eye, they came to one.

So I'm like, they like, you got to concussion. I'm like, I ain't got no concussion, dude.
I'm like, I'm just seeing like two of everything, dude. Like, I'm like, I'm seeing two of everything.

What you mean? I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm seeing two of everything. Like, if I close this eye, I could do it.
So I go back in. They take me into the

locker room and hear the crowd, something's happening, whatever. And by that time, it done got to where it's not separated like this.

They're close like this. And I'm like, all right, I'm going back out.
So I go back out and I'm, I'm on the side and I, you know, I asked my, I asked my warriors, I'm like, yo, y'all good?

Y'all need me to come? I'm like, if y'all need me, I could come back, bro. I'll come back.

And he's like, man, hey, we, we go be all right, bro. Like, like, I'm like, I can come back if you need me.
Like, what was your eye?

What was it looking like, Debo? Would you, would you look like that? No, it just. It don't even look like nothing, bro.
Okay.

It don't even look like nothing because it's inside your eye so they actually go in your eye to do the surgery into your eye socket rather to do the surgery so

i'm like yo i could come back if y'all need me to but if y'all go be all right i ain't gonna come back like help go

well we ain't gonna be all right i'm like all right then i'm coming back so what i did is i finished that game with

a fractured orbal so when i would go to hit somebody i would just close my right eye so it'd be one person and then i'd

open it back up. So I'm crazy.

So I finished that game. I ended up getting surgery later,

early that next week. And that's when I started wearing the

dark visor because I got a scratch on my

retina or something, and it was giving me light sensitivity. So I started wearing the dark visor.
But dude, I finished that game and I ended up missing, I believe, the next two weeks after

I got it done.

But i played a whole i actually got the bone bro i have the bone the little potato chip bone i got it upstairs in my refrigerator i make them i tell them listen anything you take out of me i'm gonna need to take with me because i gotta put that back dude i got pieces of bone from like my back when they did my micro dissectomy the second time i had two of them in nine days tbo you're wild oh yeah

oh yeah bro

divo got bones in the refrigerator bro i'm listening. It's going, I was born with it.
It's going back with it.

No question.

Is your eye good now, though? Or you oh, yeah, it's good now.

It's good now, baby. That was in 2000,

that was in 2009. That was like two games, 11 or something like that.
It was 2011. That was like two games.
But that's what I'm saying. So, how are you going to put that one back in? Hey, here.

This, I'm just going to put it in my casket. Oh,

that's it. Okay.
So here, hey, here's, here's the crazy thing. So

this is, dog, this goes out crazy. So when I first

started coming back, so they keep you in the hospital for a day and they got to seal your eyes shut. So they come in the next day, they cut the scissor, they cut the

two sutures that seals your eye. And then you're able to open it, right?

The first.

Oh, man, it had to be like two months, maybe a little more. When I would blow my nose,

air would come out my eye. Oh, Debo.

Swear, bro. Oh, God.
Swear.

See, bro, it was crazy. Yeah, man.
That's crazy. I'm, I'm, Debo, I'm queasy.
I'm sliding with anything like that. I'm like, my man, Debo, eye, you talking about blowing your nose.

You got air coming out of here. That's crazy.
I don't know if it's normal or not, but hey. Anthony, if that happens, it's normal.
It happened to me. So just letting you know the

first few months you get back, you go to blow your nose. I blow my nose real hard, though.
Like, I don't do the quiet. Yeah, no, you gotta get, you got, you gotta, you gotta get it out.

I gotta get that up out of there.

So, you know what I'm saying?

But, yeah, bro, it would, it would, it would blow, it would blow air out of my eye. And you know how, like, in the morning, you wake up, you got some sleep in your eye, and you got to blow your nose.

I would blow my nose, dude, and it would, it would blow the sleep.

Oh,

Debo, that's crazy. Let go,

bruh, Bruh. That's a screen.

I'm glad you're good now. Shit.

It took like two weeks for you to

surgery. It took two weeks before I was back.
Okay. They wouldn't let me.
I guess it was something about force of something

and they didn't. They didn't want me.
I was trying to go back. I was trying to go back that week.

I'm like, yo, it's fixed. I can see now.
Everything's in one. They're like, no, you got to let it heal for a little bit.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you wild, Debo.
bro. Yeah, man.

So the Chargers beat the Dolphins and

your boy Tua,

he had a little something to say after the game.

Yeah.

Man, just

this was his response, man. Let's show it.

I think it starts with the leadership. in helping articulate that for the guys and then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this.
Are we getting that? Are we not getting that?

We have guys showing up to player-only meetings late, guys not showing up to player-only meetings. Like, there's a lot that goes into that.
Do we have to make this mandatory?

Do we not have to make this mandatory? So, so

it's a lot of things of that nature that we got to get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.

To be clear, you're saying some players were late or missed late. yeah

hey man

look here

hey

he shouldn't need to be answering any questions about that but other than it just being about the game i understand he might be a little upset because the defense couldn't hold him for 46 seconds to make sure they didn't get a field goal i can see that i can understand that but um

your job if we want to go into it technically like all the way through, is to score a touchdown every possession.

Just as when I was with the Steelers, my first, you know, my first stint of starting, dude, our job is to stop them on every dive. If we go out there as a defense and we do our job 100%

and we never let them score.

Then we could point a finger.

If you don't go out there and do your job 100%,

you can't point no fingers mad about some other stuff.

You as an offense, to do your job 100%, you got to go out there and score every play. I know it's unrealistic, but that stops any and everyone from pointing fingers.

That's why we as a defense was like, yo, we was number five. We're like, yo, we're trash.

We're horrible right now. Because if they don't score, we can't lose.

And on top of that, we can actually help us win because we can get turnovers and score touchdowns we can actually score what you should have been talking about to

was the second play of the game you threw a pick you gave them a short field they scored a field goal on that and then you come in the next possession and you go three and out and then the defense goes and gets you the football short field you score seven

The first possession of the third quarter, you throw another pick.

Again, another short field, another short field, and they score a touchdown. You're responsible for 10 points.
You lost by two. Take accountability.

What are you even talking about that for right now?

And to be honest, we knew this was over with. Week one, y'all having a players-only meeting.
The head coach needs to be gone because now.

The head coach should have been gone in.

But now you're telling me that the players in the locker room don't even have a player they respect enough to even go to what y'all decided to do as a player destroy the whole team the head coach and start over

what do you think

debo i think you making perfect sense i say this for one thing like you said tua

you have to be performing at such a high you're the quarterback of the team you come out there and throw three fucking picks and you're talking about people not coming to a players-only meeting.

Nobody's respecting you as a leader. For one thing, you're coming out there and it's a players-only meeting.
This is getting out to the media because of you.

You're making things about people not coming to players-only meeting.

And now, if it's a players-only meeting that they're not attending, it's because they don't respect you or they don't respect who's ever throwing the meeting. These dudes are grown-ass men.

If you didn't get this meeting time that we needed to do while we're in this facility from eight to four, nigga, I'm out of here because all this shit you're talking about is not the crazy thing.

He said it was online.

He's one of the things. He ain't even doing this.

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Hey, it's over with.

Whoever the owner, who's the owner of the Miami Dolphins, listen, get rid of your

head coach. I don't even know what he be talking about half the time when he's having an interview.
I don't know what he's doing. That boy on uppers and downers, I don't know what's going on.

The team, the players that's supposed to be your captains, they don't even respect them. Take them C's off their chest because that's the people that making these meetings and ain't nobody showing up.

The respect is lost and gone there. Like, you got to start all the way over, man.

Yeah. I mean, for Tour to be calling people out like that, it's kind of crazy because

obviously you're letting the media, they don't need to be knowing about these people not showing up to your plans or the meetings.

You need to be go talking to these dudes directly and getting respect from a man that's on your team, not showing up to your meeting.

You think telling the media that he's not showing up to your meeting is going to make him want to come? Or like you trying to embarrass somebody from your team? Like, no, these dudes aren't vested.

No, you grown-ass man. It's another man.
You're talking about having a plans. So, now what's happening? Now, what's happening? Hey, who ain't go to the meeting?

Who ain't go to the meeting?

Did you go to the meeting? Now the reporter's at, did you go to the meeting? Did you go to the meeting? Did you go to the meeting? Bro,

players-only meetings is the first thing. And then people are not showing up to your players-only meeting.

Players-only meeting, you just lost one and a half engines.

Okay?

You're going down.

You only got two and you lost half of the one you had. You're going down.

I ain't showing up man you lost both engines and one of the wings just fell off that sun

it's over it's over with it's over with and then like you said too i love make uh that coach he was my quarterback he was the wide receiver coach for the browns when i was there probably was he like that when you were there was

just just just at just like that the same exact he hasn't changed one bit and that's not in a bad way he's a smart mind but leader of leader of other men you know i'm saying asking him a question he gives you something that you like.

This, okay, that makes sense. Like, he's a little, you know, just

flowing. Like, you say, you say,

you say, you say,

you cause

dude, I could have done better than that, and I'm horrible at public speaking, like, I'm trash. No, no, no, for sure.

Uh, uh, uh,

I don't even

so, yeah, huh? You ain't said nothing.

All you said was, uh, yeah, so he said, uh, we, you know, we are, and uh, yeah, and you know, he understands

you said a whole lot of

when I fire you, uh, yeah, uh, fired, yeah,

you know, people shut up,

yep, yep, fired,

man.

What's going on over there, Mike? Yeah, they got to do better, man. That's, it's not looking good.

You can't, you listen, man.

Yeah.

And like you said,

you're putting it out there now.

And

you're putting it out there to hope to shame the dudes into coming. Like, that's even worse.

Like, that's how they don't respect you. You're trying to literally.
I said, you're going to the media about them not coming to your right. That ain't how you lead.

Now they looking at you like, damn, Fed. You a snitch the whole time.

Not with it.

They kind of already knew you was the police. Now they for sure.
Oh, no. That ain't for sure.
He the feds, bro. You the feds.
You know what I'm saying?

You go do 80%,

85% of your time for sure.

See, look, Dez said something about it. You see, Dez tweeted about it.
What'd he say? Dead say, I want to know what part of this is going to take accountability for. Tua threw three picks today.

Tua is the third in the the NFL with the most interceptions thrown by a quarterback. If you haven't said this privately first, then in the media, I don't respect it.

And since we are on the topic of respect, I guarantee a lot of the players don't respect Tua. Tua points the finger and literally has four pointing back at him.
If you want to win, put Ewers in.

Who is Ewers? Man, shit, it must be the backup quarterback.

That's crazy. I ain't even heard of him.
And

he ready to put it in. But that's exactly what we were saying, though.
I mean,

that ain't no news flash. No, that's,

it is what it is. Like we're saying the same thing, bro.
We've been in locker rooms before. We know when people are in their thing.

And like at the end of the day, like there was there was player-only meetings that we did once a week for the Stillers,

like the DBs would do.

everybody all the dbs are in there and we would host it ourselves and we have food you know i'm saying like somebody had to get food from a good ass spot and we were watching right but you're not, you're, you're not having a meeting to try and figure out why the hell it's going.

You're having an extra meeting to plan and get ready for the opponent that you're playing against to go on that extra stuff to eat and,

you know,

and hang out together.

But what I'm saying is, do at the same time with that, though, Debo, at the end of the day, people don't got to go to those. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, that is extra.
That is after.

there's a respect that when i came there that was there it's mandatory like it's not

but it's mandatory because what the fuck else you're gonna do, like, we're gonna come, we're gonna have this meeting, all the boys are gonna link up, and we look forward to it because all right, bet, like, I'm with my boys, but at the end of the day, like, don't have to be that way, but knowing like people respect their leadership, dudes, everybody understands, like, if Joe, if Joe in there, I'm in there, you know what I'm saying.

If right,

I'm in, like, why the fuck would I be in there? You know what I'm saying? So it's like a, it's a unspoken because you could tell the dudes of respect to people.

If you say something, then they're going to just come because you're not just saying stuff out your ass, something you're not wanting to even, you, it's just because it is what it is.

Boom, we're just gonna come, you know what I'm saying. So, I don't know if we gotta make it mandatory.
What,

what

that's that's just like, I'm not making it man, but we, if we say it's like they, it's a respect thing. If things would you, you're just not talking all the time.

So, when you, somebody were to say something, then that means he okay, boom, he means he's just speaking, talking all the time. Troy Palomalu never went out, never partied, never did anything.

But come rookie dinner, Troy is going out. Why? Because that's what it is: it's camaraderie,

It's an event that happens every year.

Not like he drank or anything, but he was there. He was there.

He was there.

That's volumes, bro. That's volumes for sure.

Yes, you ain't, you ain't, yeah, but mandatory on something. Stop.
Stop playing, man.

Listen. Denver went on ahead and beat the Jets.
It was 13 to 11, but like it really wasn't like that close. It was close, but it wasn't that close.

Dude, denver's defense dude they just dominated these boys man they didn't allow these boys run the ball they ain't allowed them to pass the ball they shut down everything man running back only no he had 22 carries bro and only 59 yards like fields this boy sat nine times you know what happened well he said listen for every completion i get i'm gonna let y'all get a sack so he had nine completions and they got nine sacks on him that had that had that that's the only that's the only thing i could say i don't know man i'm just telling you that's the only reason that's the only way i could see that you know it was you know that's how they they mended it out they they only converted i think what

two maybe third downs two that was it a total of 82 yards period dude how are you negative 10 in

passing yards bro

huh

it

that

bro they was they was they was they was hitting they was dude they was hitting justin Fields, dude, so much, bro. Not that I ain't even talking about the, you know, just the Sacks.

They hit him 15 times, too. Like,

I,

what in the world

is popping over there?

This is what I'm, I woke up at nine. Like, the Denver's offense, really, they ain't do nothing, bro.
All they had to do was sit out there, man, and just don't turn the ball over. And

that's it.

Brother, what I'm trying to say is i watched that game from beginning to end because it was the london game it was 9 30 in the morning and i was geeked i'm like okay bet we got good football i'm gonna watch this entire game and see what's going on with the jets because aaron glenn was my db coach i love i like aaron glenn a whole lot

okay so you about to say something because you said you like him a whole lot that's the prefacing with negative you about to come with go ahead no it was the worst offensive display I've ever seen.

Like their defense was playing amazing, turning the ball over, putting him in great field position, pump returns, putting him in great field position.

My man Fields only had like he has short fields the whole first half to just try to get something going.

They couldn't move the ball at all. Negative 10 passing yards, the running game, it looked like, it almost looked like they weren't trying.

And his Justin Fields simple speed outs, like routes on air, when your receiver, Gary was running the speed out and he's throwing it in the dirt behind him, making him fall back it just looks like the simple passes he could not make you know what i'm saying so i was looking at it because i'm like okay denver isn't doing anything also like boneks loving the death but their defense was playing great they made them punt the ball eight times he had eight punts so like they kept giving him opportunities turnovers on short fields great punt returns and it's like justin feels you're not doing anything like you're harming your team somebody like just throw the ball up get him i mean he can do better he could he He could definitely do better.

But also, you got to realize, I believe the offensive coordinator, I think this is his first time being an offensive coordinator.

So maybe he's not able to fit his offense or play call to what it is that the strength of Justin is. Also,

Justin has been in a lot of teams, though, bro. True statement.
The one thing that I didn't like when we picked Justin up, I'm like.

We picked him up. Okay, cool.
You ain't really have to do nothing to get him or give up anything to get him.

But the thing that caused me to have to worry was when he was saying about his offensive coordinator in Chicago, he was like,

It was along the lines that they got me thinking too much. They just need to let me go out there and play.
And that to me said,

I can't understand this game. I can't learn it.
I can't read it. I can't get the ball where it needs to go in time.
That's what it said to me.

So

that's him not being able to perform

the level he needs to and understand the game that he needs to understand. So I'm seeing it at a

50 on him

maybe 60 on him and the coordinator is not giving plays and designing things that's going to be beneficial for his talents

i think justin feels talents

are very i think justin feels talents are his athleticism and his mobility but being able to if you can't read defenses fast and you think that all like sometimes offenses i'm not trying to say but if you say like he's giving you too much some that that's that's what quarterbacks do quarterbacks have to know what everybody's doing and what the defenses are doing and the checks and it's a lot of information

where the line going you may have that's all that's why that's the hardest position in the league by far because just the amount of information that you have to process and in a fast level so when dudes are moving trying to like bluff you and you don't know what the coverage is and then they start um they can trick you that means that you're not that good of a quarterback you know what i'm saying because you have to be able to execute and be able to get things on the fly and be able to know what everybody's doing, putting your whole offense in the position.

You know what I'm saying? So if you're like, oh, no, it's too much for me to,

I'm sorry. That's not my bad.
You're a professional quarterback. These dudes are making $60 million a year.
So they can process information.

So they can do these things and be able to get all these other guys in the right spots. So I understand completely.

But when I'm looking at it, I'm like, yo, if you don't know how to read the defense and then like throwing bad passes for quick outs that are like routes on air, I'm sorry.

We need to find another guy. Like a lot of the stuff, it could be offensive coordinator too, but some of the stuff just looking at him like, boy, you're not helping.
You're hurting the squad.

Oh, no question, dude. And then you got, you know, you got Garrett Wilson.
He had an exchange with Aaron Glenn going into halftime. Like, what?

What do you think he said?

I'm look because you saw like they just they didn't even look like they were trying to get a field goal. They were down at the 50-yard line with 30 seconds left, and they just let the clock run out.

Like they didn't even try to get another 10 yards, run up, spike it, get a field goal. He's like, oh no, like Erin, like they didn't even believe.
They thought, oh, no, he might throw a pick.

He might take a sack. Something bad is going to happen.
Let's just get in the halftime. Instead of let's go get, let's go get some points on the board.

Let's try to get some momentum going in the halftime. You go in the halftime looking like this.
Oh, let's just not fuck this up. And Gary Wilson is standing there like, throw me the ball.

Like, I'm trying to get us activated.

Let's get let's get going and he's walking off and sees that the coaches aren't going to call a play i'm pissed i'm like what are we really doing are we not trying to score are we not trying to win i think

you're showing me that you happy with the process with the process with the progress that you have right now at this point in the game that's and they may have been too scared to actually go because when you're getting pressure like that sacked left and right you know you you only one play away from that sack fumble to the house yeah but he came off it's coming off of a completion, a rare completion.

He had one. So then everybody's running up to the next one.
He only had nine of them, baby. Bro, he only had nine.
They coming off a rare completion. Everybody looking, 30 seconds, calm down.

And then they just looking at each other like, okay, let's just wait for this thing. Let's just go in here.
Slow down. Slow down.

Got a completion.

You think two in a row? Calm the fuck down now. Two in a row straight.

And then they still only lost by two points, dude. Like, that tell you how much of nothing Denver's offense was doing, dude.

I'm putting it into Denver's offense wasn't doing nothing, but damn it, the defense of the Jets was balling. They were creating turnovers and like getting off the field on third downs.

They was doing their part.

So like, that's why I look at the offense like you can't, you had 30, there was like 33 yards in the first half and 30, 40 something in the second half. I'm looking, I'm like, yo, that's crazy.
Like,

all over, the whole, the whole game. That's, that's crazy.
That's bad ball.

so the chiefs beat the lions 30 to 17 but that that wasn't a that wasn't a big to go to it was after the game when branch refused to shake mahomes hand and uh then went up to juju and basically shoved him punched him in his face in his helmet and then the brawl started um

dan campbell he did not like it he called out his player

and you know

what is what is your um what is your take on this you uh

About players doing extracurriculars after the game. Man, I'm not about it at all.

I'm not here for it. You got three hours in that game to literally, in between them whistles, do what you got to do.

It's a physical, brutal sport where you can really go get your revenge in a good way and not like trying to hurt nobody. But yeah, you can get physical.
You can come and smack somebody, bomb, yeah.

And like, you can really get your get back in between the whistles in the football game so i'm thinking after the game once it's all over it is what it is we're it's a competitive juices get up people get feeling some type of ways but at the end of the day we're all in the nfl we're all trying to provide for our families do the right thing and like just hope hopefully nobody you know i'm trying to go out into like injure anybody so my whole thing is Emotions get high, but once the game is over, the game is over.

I'm trying to get back to the crib, back to the family, and get out of there. But I just don't understand how, I mean, you could walk up on Jew.
i saw it like no handshake and then just pop my man

that's not that's not okay you know what i'm saying it was he low-key had his hand oh

yeah that that you you can't do that you can't do that it's not uh it's not really anything

is it anything that somebody can say to you that would cause you to do that

honestly bro unless nobody if you don't put your hands on me then it is what it is. You know what I'm saying?

Like I always like words that you can talk, people get into emotions, but like once you get physical once you put your hands on me then that's a whole different game you know what i'm saying so like people altercations people talk whatever but after the game i'm out of there like you can be grown enough to be mature enough to walk away there's not too many things that nobody can say to me to have me up up in a roar like that but i feel like once you touch me then it's then then it's then it's then it's all hell break loose it doesn't matter like you did that now you overstepped for sure words can be spoke whatever whatever and we go our separate ways it It is what it is.

But once you start putting your hands on me, once you start touching me, keep your hands to yourself. You know what I'm saying? Like,

that's how I feel about that. Yeah, it really ain't nothing you can say to me that's going to go cause me to do that because I'm already thinking about money.

And in today's era, how dudes post social media, this and that. If you really want to do this and we got a problem, you want to see it.
We can meet and we can meet in the offseason.

We can meet. It's nothing.
It's probably training in the same state. Like if it's really that real, we can meet in the offseason.
This ain't no,

and you could do it behind closed doors you know how that is ibo if dudes really want smoke you know how to find each other it's very easy it could do it quietly yeah matter of fact you could have walked into them hey juju you know i'm saying you're gonna have to see about me whatever whatever and they can literally link and if you really wanted to do it but that is just like motion pop off you know it's about to be a whole shebang money's gonna get fine everybody's gonna be talking about this instead of what really happened in the game you know what i'm saying so yep if you really wanted it then we could make it happen But like, I just don't feel that's just like that.

Come on, man. You know, and I'm not knocking the branch character or anything, but that's just not a good look.
Just walked up to my man, bomb, and it is what it is. Yeah, yeah.

Good Lord. We almost listen tonight,

Chicago and at Washington. Okay.
That's tonight's game. All right.
We want to thank y'all for joining us. Time went fast that time, man.

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We will be back here on Tuesday, Joe stuff, huh? Hayden, what you got to say?

We will be here on Tuesday to talk about the Bears

game, see what they're talking about. Bears versus uh Washington Commanders.
It's actually up the street. I'm thinking my mic go up there and see what JD is talking about.
Go ahead, let you know.

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