Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Steelers beating the Browns, Ravens dropping to 1-5, Tua postgame

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Welcome back to Devo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Han Hayden.

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How you doing, Joe?

Man, Debo, I'm doing great, man.

Every tutty, I knew to look at my phone and expect a call.

I was, look, like I said, Debo, I wanted a good call.

You was ignoring me.

You were sending me, you were sending me to you.

You was disrespectful.

You were real disrespectful.

No, you were sending me to the, to the, you were sending me to the voicemail and everything else.

After the first tuddy time.

And I got the first point after the first three tutties.

You was calling me, just trying to just rub it in.

Like I was all brownie, brownie, brownie.

I had love for both teams.

Okay, I got to, I got to, Debo, I got to watch you.

I got to watch you, bro.

I got to watch you.

What you got to watch me for?

Joe, I'm just trying to figure out where you at.

You know?

You know,

I am.

I played for the Stillers.

So this is what it comes down to for real, Debo.

I understand now as a fan, as a fan watching the games i understand how the stillers fans feel and i understand how the browns fans feel it's a way more chill feeling when you're a stillers fan because you're expecting you know what's going to happen it's real smooth browns fans that just it was bad it was just bad ball so we're going to get into it but it my my i just know my stillness vibe i'm all the way that looked amazing My Browns vibe, they got things to, there's things to be talked about on that side.

Okay.

So it's things to be talked.

So you good over here, and there's things to be talked about over here, is what you're saying.

Okay, Debo.

So, now you're listening.

Okay,

so what I want to do is go ahead, I guess, you know, and uh, and get into the game, baby.

You know, um, you got to.

Of course, the Steelers

beat the Browns.

What was that?

23 to 9.

Yeah,

yes, yes.

Browns still can't score over 17.

Hold up.

What?

What are you doing, boy?

This boy, dude, every time we play the Browns, I got to remove everything that's orange out of here.

This dude pulls down his pants and starts pissing on stuff.

Man, Joe, give me, give me a minute, bro.

So about your dog?

Oh, my God, dude.

Hey, what you doing?

On the live podcast, get down before I whipped your ass.

And you done pissed on myself too, boy.

And Debo's looking at me and they mad at me about not being

talking about whipping me.

That's not that.

Ain't you the one that slammed that Browns fan?

And I didn't even know you still had a Cincinnati Bengals helmet.

I'm going to piss on that next.

Get your ass out, my woman.

Go.

Go.

Get out of here.

Debo.

Get your dog.

Don't slam my dog.

Damn.

My bad.

Well, you got to get control of your household, my brother.

Hold up.

My bad, Joe.

That boy, that boy was up over there.

Pissing on orange and all that.

See?

All right.

Anyway, here, let me get back to where I was at.

Like I said,

the Stellar's whooped on the Browns 23-9.

And

you know what happened?

The first play was like foreshadowing.

You know, I saw

first play.

We gone here.

We ain't hit that tight end and I don't know how many games.

And we hit him for 36, but we hit him for 36 on the first play.

They didn't even know what to do.

The boy's seven feet tall, so I don't know how they missed covering him.

It was a great play, bro.

They motioned him inside.

He inserted.

You know what I'm saying?

And then they had a new cornerback that we got back there.

He had a long, long day.

He made some great plays out there.

Long day, got a little confused in coverage.

And your man, Washington, ran straight down on the seven route, wide open.

So they just busted off.

First, like, missed coverage.

Browns let us supposed to play.

Still has made it look easy.

Oh, yeah.

We started out a little bit.

So

we only got three.

We only got three.

Yeah.

And then we, you know, Cleveland come back and, you know, we think we were offer there on that third down and completion but they caught uh they caught tj in the neutral zone so that made it third to five gave him an opportunity i think the next one was a 12-yard completion to continue to drive um you know

but you know we break it with bin bin Ben,

but don't necessarily break.

Plus, Cleveland, they returned to favor with unnecessary roughness.

Dude, wanted to get tough with Lil Pizzy.

So that had them stall it out.

They had to punt the rock.

and you know who we are man we're the pittsburgh stillers you know

us not i'm not putting you in this you understand yep i just

defenses brother the beginning man the browns at the end of the day was bin but don't break still is ben but don't break um defenses did good the first two drives they made sure they had to punt flags all over the place um

Then we had to, yeah, like you said, we had the pump return.

The Steelers had a great pump return.

Blindside blocked.

I think that he did a pretty good block.

I don't think Peppers tried to you know i'm saying i think he tried to blindside block he was on his side dude and he's turned out that's what i'm saying he did the way that they teach him like you put your back on him you throw your hands up so i think that was a bad call um

you know a a-rod hit dk mc half for a couple of plays but they had to punt brown's defense was playing good at the very beginning at the gate at the beginning of the game too but you can only do but so much

i mean i mean it's okay joe because i'm hearing a lot more frustration than i am happiness Because that Jalen Brown sack right there on that first down, go ahead, put him behind the chains, have him

force him, kick that good punt.

And you know what happened right then?

The second quarter, we started with 11-play drive.

Yeah, but we ended up settling for a field goal again.

That's what that's what you keep saying that.

I'm like, 11-play drive was looking good in the red zone.

You was getting to the getting to the red zone, moving the ball, but it was tough to get it in there.

Hey, the pressure was coming.

Hey, third down, right immediately the next possession we get that third down sack man get up out of there

what happened we go ahead drive down the field again man it's 10 yards it's 10 plays but

we end up selling for another field goal warren

that's nine that's bank that's bank rope bank rope shout out bank rope

bank rope boss was on the mountain boom you know what i'm saying

44 50 48.

so y'all got in there doing good but boswell was able to knock it down good i'm glad you said y'all.

And then, you know, y'all.

You making me feel some type of way, Debo.

You know, y'all, right before halftime, y'all, y'all got, y'all got lucky.

16 plus 72 yards.

And like you say, our defense, my defense, Stiller's defense, little Ben, don't break.

Halftime, three to nine.

Looks like a close game.

It really ain't as close as it is.

But I'm going to tell you this, Debo.

Going into halftime, though, don't lie.

I'm not going to lie.

Our Steelers were smacking the Browns coming across the middle.

Like there were some alligator arms that started coming to the tight end.

Was one of them, Athens.

Man, he hit my man Joku in his heart.

Fum.

And I didn't know if he was going to get up, lost his wind and everything.

He came back in the game.

But then Jerry Judy, some of them, like, he was coming across those middle.

He was throwing those passes, Dylan.

And you see them dudes like looking at the safety instead of looking at the rock a couple of times.

So, I mean, I think the Steelers banging, hitting out there was making some of them arms get a little short, getting a little tight, looking for the rock.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

But y'all helped us out on that punt when we came back in the second half, dude.

And

that right there was a huge turning point, buddy.

It allowed us to go down there, score that touchdown.

Connor Hayward, 12-yard touchdown.

Beautiful thing, man.

Brother.

That right there, Debo, was actually beautiful.

And that was the part when I was looking at the game like end of the day defense playing good both defenses are playing well you know i'm saying like bimber don't break but that's the point when you aaron rodgers was scrambling making plays like i don't give a damn i'd rather the ball be in his hands than dylan gabriel because it's just like they're their offensive going he's going to make something happen he's not going to mess it up but he's also going to give us a reason to win like there's a difference between not messing it up zero you see right dylan gabriel zero touchdowns zero picks that's not losing but that's that's not winning.

You know what I'm saying?

Like Aaron Rodgers, if the ball's in his hands, you just feel like he's scrambling, directing traffic.

Told him, like, oh, no, no, no, go back this way.

Hayward, spinning that joint beautifully, touchdown.

So that part right there looked sick.

And that's when I was looking at the Steelers like this.

You know what, guys?

Obviously, they have the defense.

They have now the running back.

You got Gamewell.

He was toting it.

And Warren was toting the ball.

So he had a run game.

He had the receiver, DK Metcalf going crazy, big Washington getting him involved.

It just looked like an overall team, it was a team effort, even though they didn't make it, and they made it to the red zone a lot in the first half, was able to get field goals, weren't able to score, but just consistency.

Still, like after that touchdown, they ended up going down and scoring the field goal, made it 616.

But again, you know, we're the Pittsburgh Stillers, we ain't gonna, we ain't gonna

do nothing halfway.

And that, that man, that man,

Admiral showed up again.

Oh, DK Metcalf 25-yard touchdown.

Hey, you know what's so crazy, though, is this cigar is called

the brand is my father, and that's what we are to the Browns.

And

the actual name of this one is the judge.

And we judge y'all wanting and needing, and we whipped that ass.

But anyway, let me get back to that good 25-yard DK touchdown that put us up 23 to 6, man.

And again, man, the defense allows a 16, 18 play drive, two penalties, help them, you know, extend the drive on positions, points, third down where we thought we were going to be able to get off the field.

But hey, man, but don't break.

9 to 23.

I could take that.

Not really, though.

They come back out and we do it three and out, bro.

Three and out.

Yeah.

This is what I'm trying to say.

The Browns defense can only do, but so much.

Like, we're not saying that the Steelers offense played amazing, did the best.

They could have definitely did better.

But I mean, it's just, it's the flow of a game.

You're not going to be able to go blow the Browns' defense out.

That's a good ass defense out there.

And when they keep giving opportunities back to their offensive side of the ball and you get nothing.

You get Nathaniel.

How the hell are you going to win like that?

So that's why I'm looking at it like it was a team effort when you know when the Steelers knew if when they get a stop, it's offense, defense, special teams working together.

You get a stop, you're putting the ball in Aaron Rodgers' hands, and you believe he's going to be able to get a touchdown.

He's going to be able to get points, he's going to be able to get first downs, move the ball down the field.

And then, end of the day, if you don't, Bank Robo is going to knock down a field goal.

So, it's team ball and things are just going to be like everybody's working together.

On the Brown side, it just looks like the defense is out there fighting for your life.

And if you keep giving somebody love and hooking them up, and they ain't giving you nothing, that's demoralizing.

You can't score at all, like no touchdowns.

you know what i'm saying so oh yeah

it's just a it's just a bad feeling it's a bad feeling i mean as a brown i mean you you had opportunity there well not really but drop passes 12.

yes yes a lot of drop passes and then we had a chance to really just shut it out and um the field at akrasher

helped out the browns man my dude loses his footing So the bomb holds cleat out the ground.

Man, ain't no telling what could happen.

What's so crazy is that ain't the worst that feel's been 2007 dude that feel was so bad the ball got stuck in it straight up

a punt bro i swear straight up and up like it was crazy plugged like a golf shot yeah for sure and basically after that the nine to 23 we hold strong it ends there game basically over with but um

The Pittsburgh still is offense.

Yes.

Listen, hey, they did a better job of run blocking

they protect the quarterback zero sacks miles garrett only had two tackles no pressures no hits on the quarterback like what are you talking about and that is from our tackle that has been having a down season he has gave up the most sacks out of any tackle in the league but he didn't get none to your guy you know why because we fly high when the orange in the sky you understand

we got it we got a hundred yards combined rushing I'm going to take it.

It ain't from one person, but I'm going to take it.

And then you know what we did?

We got the tight ends involved.

Washington was three for 62.

He actually had five targets.

Okay.

Smith was three for 18.

Connor had a touchdown for 12.

Flyer move had one for 11.

Washington was the second leading receiver on the team.

That's why he was wide open.

They like, yo, he coming out the block.

No, he ain't just coming out the block.

We're going to show you that he can do more than what y'all think he can do.

And now you got to worry about them tight ends.

Now you done gave Aaron more targets.

Aaron was greatly effective.

You're talking 21 to 30, 235, two touchdowns.

Here we go, Steelers.

Here we go.

Hey, and that defense now.

Six sacks.

Six sacks.

Hey, listen, we played the run better.

I know they only rushed rushed 17 times, but we played it better.

We ain't give it.

Why in the world is what I'm trying to figure out is

why they have him pass the ball like

52 times.

Why they had that boy pass the ball?

You think a rookie go coming?

I understand he got a lot of games under his belt and all that other stuff.

It's a different thing.

You know what I'm saying?

When you get to the league, you go have him come in here and think he go pass on the Pittsburgh stealers 52 times and you go win that game.

Not to mention that our defense dropped three, four picks that they had in their hands that they should have came up with.

You took took the words out of my, you took the word out of my mouth with that one.

But hey, all in all,

we,

the Pittsburgh Stillers, is getting ever better every week.

And that's all we need to do is keep inclining so that when we get to that point, when it's elimination time, we shooting off like a rocket.

No.

That is correct, Debo.

The Stillers look good.

Aaron Rodgers look better.

Everything you said is correct.

Getting the tight ends involved, even if they run for 100 yards, it doesn't matter.

It's just giving the ball up.

Making sure you keep that thing going no matter if you're giving it to Jalen or Gameway.

Just making sure you got a run game that's effective and just keep handing the ball off.

So they got to make sure that they watch for that.

So I'm not mad at the Stillers at all.

They did great and it's looking like they're doing better and better.

Like I said, too.

How do you think Dylan Gabriel, do you expect him to come into the

you haven't won in 22 times there and dough the ball 52 times and win.

That's not going to work.

And then we dropped one, like you said too, zero touchdowns, zero picks, but it hit about three received Steelers upside the head.

My man

Jr., Joey Porter Jr.

had one.

Smooth, we had one.

The defensive end, my man, 51, he had one.

It's just a lot of passes that could have easily been picked.

We're not.

Jutkins ran the ball 12 times for 36 yards.

Like we got to get him more opportunities.

There's no way way that he's going to walk into that game and be able to go against the Steelers.

And especially when behind the sticks, when we're letting them dudes blitz, knowing the line's looking crazy, knowing our tackles are having a tough time, blocking SWAT, blocking Highsmith, blocking Cam, blocking any of them dudes.

You know what I'm saying?

So that was not, it was, it was a coaching error.

You can't come in there with a game plan thinking you're going to win with the why are you surprised that it's a coaching era?

I'm not surprised.

The coach didn't even know who the hell his backup was.

Coach, coach, Debo, Debo.

I'm not surprised.

I'm just stating happening.

I understand what you're saying.

I'm puffing on a cigar that ain't even lit, but that's how good I feel, Joe.

That's how good I feel.

I could feel what it feel like.

Because I just feel so good today.

I got two.

So now when we put on my Stella's hat,

that was, that's the ball that we looking for.

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Like Jalen Ramsey out there making sex.

Everybody communicated.

That draw looks kept them out of the end zone.

Obviously, it wasn't maybe too hard because the Browns' offense wasn't really too effective.

Dylan Gabriel did do a pretty good job, but he could have thrown three picks.

Some of his passes were still errant.

And I think he's going to be, he's not a bad.

He's going to be solid.

He's going to be good.

I don't think the Browns are helping him in any way with

his progression of becoming a better quarterback right now.

And that's not to say I want, if they push a door.

Only two games, three games, whatever it is.

No, no, no, for sure, for sure.

But I'm saying 52 times versus Stillers.

And in the first joint in London, like handing the ball, that was a better better process than this, if they would have came in, given the ball off the juck, he would have had at least 20 carries.

Then that's like, okay, bet, you're not trying to set my man back, but you made him throw 52 times, get sacked six times, you got hit upside the head 17 times.

Like, that's the.

But what it came down to, man, is this.

Our defense played better than y'all defense

because we played against the Browns offense, which is, I mean, it's a, it's a professional football team, but it is the Browns offense.

It's the same team who hasn't scored more than 17 points in the last

11 games straight.

So, I mean,

it's to be expected.

And I don't see why they would have been able to score 17 points on us.

You know, that's just

the hard nature of

Browns playing the Stillers.

I mean, Lebo, I mean, look,

I'm not here to argue with you.

I'm not here today.

I'm not here to argue.

I'm not here to argue.

I'm here to state how I feel about the Browns situation, And then I'm here to state how I feel about the Stillers.

Stillers are looking good.

And I would know why

you expect for the Browns to play the Stillers hard because that's a division game.

And every time they come over there, anything could happen.

But once the game gets to going and people get to making the plays and you see what's going on in the football field, I was not expecting for the Steelers to get that game away.

They just looked like they were.

getting warming up getting they will right and then next thing you know a rod started doing a rod stuff and that's just not what we had on the offensive side of the ball for the Browns.

So,

yep, still is a lead in the division, and it don't look like it's going to be changing anytime soon.

No question.

Speaking of the division, the Ravens got popped too.

But I will say this, watching the game, brother, looking at it, going back and forth in between.

I'm looking, the first possession dude in Baltimore comes out there, and I'm like, oh, they getting back to Baltimore football.

Oh, sure.

Derrick Henry Wright, Derrick Henry Lat.

Derrick Henry Wright, Derrick Henry Latt.

Derrick Henry Wright, Derrick Henry Lat.

They get a holding penalty that stalls them out.

They end up settling for three.

Okay.

Okay.

It's looking all right.

It's looking all right.

LA comes out.

They move it a little, but they miss the field goal, right?

Cool.

I'm like, all right, the Ravens getting the ball back.

You know, I don't want them to be too sorry, you know, because we still got to at least have a little competition, something good for the fans to see.

Don't nobody want to go to the games 21-0 before the first quarter over with.

And the Ravens come out there and your boy Rush throws an interception.

And it kind of felt like after that, LA was like, yo, y'all ain't go one-up us on this.

Go ahead, get the sack fumble.

Baltimore recover the ball, give it back to him.

Oh.

A.

And they win.

The raiders defense definitely played better.

Oh, yeah.

They played better.

They played better.

They played better.

I thought Matthew Stafford was going to pick them apart.

But like, like you said, when they had that strip sack, when they were trying to get down there to score, I'm like, okay, look, better, better Ravens defense.

So I had to make sure we could get them a little bit of love because they've been looking the worst in the entire league by far.

But they stepped up a little bit versus the Rams.

Yeah, they end up

going for it, though.

That next next possession.

I believe it was fourth.

Fourth, and I want to say it might have been one given.

No.

Yeah, they went for it on fourth down and they didn't make it.

But

I think at that point in time, it might have gave them a shorter field.

They ended up tying it up 3-3.

And

the Ravens get the ball back and they just totally forget about Derrick Henry.

I don't know what happened at the date.

They just forgot about what they did the first couple of possessions and how it helped them out.

And immediately the Rams helped them out too.

They just went on here, did a quick three and out.

So Ravens get the rock back.

They're like, oh, yeah, I done forgot.

We got Derrick Henry.

So they go ahead and start handing that man the rock again.

But

again, dude, on fourth and one,

they get zero points.

at the one yard line.

This is when they did, they did, they did the tush push on the third down.

And then your man, Derrick Henry, tried to run it on the fourth down and lost the yard.

Dude, wow.

So that right there could have got you, you know, could have got you three points if you went on here and went for it.

Because immediately, beginning of third quarter, the Rams drive on down there, nine plays, 76 yards, get the tutty.

Also, they got help because Puka ended up getting hurt.

Like,

yeah, they didn't have to deal with him that that whole game

and then the

your boy rush to come out fumble the ball give it right back to the rams on the 21 and they score another tutty

i guess they got tired and set him down buddy that was that was all i guess they could take yeah no for sure

They ain't do too much, man, on the offensive side.

But like you said, I'm blaming that when you know you don't have Lamar Jackson.

Keep handing the ball off to Derrick Cameron until.

Just keep giving him, just keep giving it to him.

He was eating.

Like, you got to show me something different.

For sure.

If they don't,

you ain't got to really show him nothing different.

I think they ended up getting a new offense coordinator this year.

So the guy that was there last year did what he was doing.

I think he, the newer guy, the new guy there finally was like, yo, I guess we got to run the rock if we're going to have a chance.

You know, even then, it was still 17, you know, 17 to three.

They had an opportunity.

I think it was a fourth down they went for, ended up getting sat.

And,

you know, from there, Ravens started driving the ball.

I believe they turned it over on downs.

And, you know, it ain't no more than just under four minutes left.

You know, it's basically over with after that.

But the big thing for the Ravens is.

I think for the offense, that first possession, they started getting back to baltimore football you know running running derrick henry you know the way he should using derrick henry the way he should be you know the way he should be run or used i should say yeah and then you know

the um

the defense they played better

um

but

you need uh

need a little bit more in situational things, I guess, to get get down with you,

what you're trying to accomplish.

I don't think they

took

as much planning as they needed to

try and finish it out.

And they also, they hurt too.

I can give them that, but they were still playing bad before he got hurt.

No, for sure, for sure.

If your offense isn't doing too well, brother, if your offense ain't doing good, your defense ain't doing good,

I mean,

it's not a good winning recipe to win games.

And your defense is playing really, really bad.

You lose your best offensive threat, Lamar Jackson.

Right now, they're just trying to stay afloat.

Right.

They're hoping to get him back after the buy.

So

that's the only chance they got when you look at it.

You know, over the last, what, three weeks, they've been outscored 98 to 33.

Like,

you can't win like that.

No, Debo.

You can't.

It's on.

What does they one and five?

It's only been one team since the, since they started the new format of 14 playoff teams that made the playoffs.

That was one and five, and that was Washington in 2020.

They started one and five and made the playoffs.

Ravers ain't making the playoffs.

Yeah, no.

No, sir.

And it's not, like, like you said, the defense, they hopefully they start getting some players back.

Lamar Jacks has to come back.

Then Lamar Jackson, the offense was, they weren't.

like blowing people out when he was there and the defense was wasn't playing good so hopefully if the defense can start playing better and he comes back with a flow on how much better you want the defense to play though.

They already number one, Joe.

Defense for the Ravens?

Oh, I'm tripping.

I'm thinking of Baltimore.

Sorry.

I mean, I'm thinking of Cleveland.

Sorry.

Yeah, no, I'm talking about the Ravens.

Yeah, okay.

They, they, they're like the opposite.

They're probably 32.

Oh, yeah.

They're last.

They got 31 or 32.

They got a dude.

They have a way to get a hold.

They got it.

They have a lot of room of improvement.

If they can get better and start tightening it up like they did in this game and Lamar comes back and and performs at a high level, they have to win out though.

Like there's not, when he gets back, they're one in five.

They have to go basically down there undefeated.

Do you think he still comes back if the hamstring is a little iffy?

I think if they keep losing and they lose another, they keep, if it's he, his hamstring, it needs to be healed 100% anyway.

You know what I'm saying?

And if that takes another two weeks, another three weeks, and then they're one in eight, then I mean, what kind of,

what is the point?

You know what I'm saying?

You kind of want him to get get back.

And if they get mathematically damn near eliminated, then you don't want to risk Lamar Jackson's long-term future for him to just come back and for what?

Yeah,

I'm with you there.

Like, you don't want to have him come back.

You are

dead last right now and have him going there on a, you know, 80% hamstring and he go to hit another gear and forbid, you know, God forbid he tear the thing off the bone or something.

Like that's, that's, you know, that's something that's going to lead into the next year.

The part is not rushing.

Don't rush.

Let him get all the rest.

Let him recover that thing 100% for sure.

Yeah,

if they don't let him do that, it's going to

be,

I don't think it'll be pretty because

he's too elusive, powerful.

He's going to...

He's not going to think about it.

He's going to go to dig, to take off, to get past somebody.

And, you know, that's going to be it.

You can't go out there and play it, you know, 80% the way way he, you know, the way he plays the game.

Yep.

He got to be full tilt.

No question.

So during the Coach's pregame warm-up, this was crazy.

The cornerback Ward, he collided with the tight end, Ogletree, and suffered a concussion.

This boy went into

pre-game concussion protocol out for the actual game.

And then

Anthony Richardson, he fractured his orbital bone

with um

uh with them bands a band dude like

like how do you do that brother you debo you you know how tight them bands are he probably was doing like a little mean hamstring swing up thing and it's about it slipped off his foot

He didn't play it out.

He didn't play?

I don't know.

He didn't play.

He couldn't play.

No, he couldn't play.

listen i got a story for you though i did that same thing bro i blew my orbital in uh

in houston and my helmet came and shot down into my eye and at the time bro i ain't lying

so

i'm like you know how you blink your eyes to try and get you know try and get them back straight

So I'm sitting there and my eye, what I didn't know at the time is I blew my orbital.

So my eye was no longer sitting on that potato chip bone.

Yeah.

So it dropped down.

So as I'm looking at the stadium at Houston, I'm seeing four decks.

I'm seeing, you know, they got the scoreboard across the middle.

I'm seeing two of those and then two of those up there.

But if I close my right eye, they came to one.

So I'm like, they like, you got to concuss.

I'm like, I ain't got no concussion, dude.

I'm like, I'm just seeing like two of everything, dude.

Like, I'm like, I'm seeing seeing two of everything.

What do you mean?

I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm seeing two of everything.

Like, if I close this eye, I could do it.

So I go back in.

They, they take me into the, um,

they take me into the locker room and uh hear the crowd, something's happening, whatever.

And, um, by that time, it done got to where it's not separated like this.

Yeah.

They're close like this.

And I'm like, all right, I'm going back out.

So I go back out and I'm on the side.

And I, you know, I asked my, I asked my warriors, I'm like, yo, y'all good?

Y'all need me to come?

I'm like, if y'all need me, I could come back, bro.

I'll come back.

And he's like, man, hey, we, we go be all right, bro.

Like, like, I'm like, I can come back if you need me.

Like, what was your eye?

What was it looking like, Debo?

Would you, would you look like that?

No, it just, it don't even look like nothing, bro.

Okay.

it don't even look like nothing because it's it's inside your eye so they actually go in your eye to do the surgery into your eye socket rather to do do the surgery.

So

I'm like, yo, I could come back if y'all need me to, but if y'all go be all right, I ain't gonna come back.

Like, help go, well, we ain't gonna be all right.

I'm like, all right, then I'm coming back.

So what I did is I finished that game with

a fractured orbital.

So when I would go to hit somebody, I would just close my right eye so it would be one person and then I'd open it, open it back up.

So I'm crazy.

So I finished that game.

I ended up getting the surgery later,

early that next week.

And that's when I started wearing the

dark visor because I got a scratch on my on my retina or something and it was giving me light sensitivity.

So I started wearing the dark visor.

But dude, I finished that game and I ended up missing, I believe, the next two weeks after I got it.

I got it done.

But I played a whole, I actually got the bone, bro.

I had the bone, the little potato chip bone.

I got it upstairs in my refrigerator.

I make them, I tell them, listen, anything you take out of me, I'm going to need to take with me because I got to put that back.

Dude, I got pieces of bone from like my back when they did my micro dissectomy the second time.

I had two of them in nine days.

Tevo, you're wild.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, bro.

Tevo got bones in the refrigerator.

Bro,

listen, it's going, I was born with it.

It's going back with it.

No question.

Is your eye good now, though?

Or are you still?

Oh, yeah, it's good now.

It's good now, baby.

That was in 2000,

that was in 2009.

That was like two games, 11 or something like that.

It was 2011.

That was like two games.

But that's what I'm saying.

So how are you going to put that one back in?

Hey, here.

I'm just going to put it in my casket.

Oh.

That's it.

Okay.

So here, hey, here's the crazy thing.

So

this is, dog, this goes out crazy.

So when I first

started coming back, so they keep you in the hospital for a day and they got to seal your eyes shut.

So they come in the next day, they cut the scissor, they cut the two sutures that seals your eye, and then you're able to open it, right?

The first,

oh man, it had to be like two months.

maybe a little more when i would blow my nose

air would come out my eye oh debo swear bro.

Oh, God.

Swear.

See, bro, it was crazy.

Yeah, man.

That's crazy.

I'm queasy.

I'm sliding with anything like that.

I'm like, my man, Debo, I, you talking about blowing your nose.

You got air coming out of here.

That's crazy.

I don't know if it's normal or not, but hey, Anthony, if that happens, it's normal.

It happened to me.

So just letting you know

the first few months you get back, you go to blow your nose.

I blow my nose real hard, though.

Like, I don't do the quiet.

Yeah, no you gotta get you got you gotta you gotta get it out i gotta get that up out of there so you know what i'm saying

but yeah bro it would it would it would blow it would blow air out my eye and you know how like in the morning you wake up you got some sleep in your eye and you got to blow your nose i would blow my nose dude and it would blow sleep to

debo that's crazy let go

bruh bruh that's a sweet

i'm glad you good now Shit.

Oh,

it took like two weeks for you to

surgery.

It took two weeks before I was back.

Okay.

They wouldn't let me.

I guess it was something about force of something,

and they didn't.

They didn't want me.

I was trying to go back.

I was trying to go back that week.

Yeah, you're wild.

I'm like, yo, it's fixed.

I can see now.

Everything's in one.

They're like, no, you got to let it heal for a little bit.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, you're wildie, bro.

Yeah, man.

So the Chargers beat the Dolphins.

And

your boy Tua,

he had a little something to say after the game.

Yeah.

Man, just

this was his response, man.

Let's show it.

I think it starts with the leadership and helping articulate that for the guys.

And then what we're expecting out of the guys, right?

We're expecting this.

Are we getting that?

Are we not getting that?

We have guys showing up to player-only meetings late, guys not showing up to player-only meetings.

Like, there's a lot that goes into that.

Do we have to make this mandatory?

Do we not have to make this mandatory?

So, so it, it's, it's a lot of uh,

it's a lot of things of that nature

that we got to get cleaned up.

And it starts with the little things like that.

To be clear, you're saying some players were late or missed late.

Yeah.

Hey, man,

look here.

Hey,

he shouldn't even be answering any questions about that, but other than it just being about the game.

I understand he might be a little upset because the defense couldn't hold him for 46 seconds to make sure they didn't get a field goal.

I can see that.

I can understand that.

But

your job.

If we want to go into it technically, like all the way through, is to score a touchdown every possession.

Just as when I was with the Stillers,

my first stint of starting, dude, our job is to stop them on every dive.

If we go out there as a defense and we do our job 100%

and we never let them score, then we could point a finger.

If you don't go out there and do your job 100%,

you can't point no fingers mad about some other stuff.

You as an offense, to do your job 100%, you got to go out there and score every play.

I know it's unrealistic, but that stops any and everyone from pointing fingers.

That's why we as a defense was like, yo, we was number five.

We were like, yo, we're trash.

We're horrible right now.

Because if they don't score, we can't lose.

And on top of that, we can actually help us win because we can get turnovers and score touchdowns.

We can actually score.

What you should have been talking about, Tua, was the second play of the game, you threw a pick.

You gave them a short field.

They scored a field goal on that.

And then you come in the next possession and you go three and out.

And then the defense goes and gets you the football.

Short field, you score seven.

The first possession of the third quarter, you throw another pick.

Again, another short field, another short field, and they score a touchdown.

You're responsible for 10 points.

You lost by two.

Take accountability.

What are you even talking about that for right now?

And to be honest, we knew this was over with.

Week one, y'all having a players-only meeting.

The head coach needs to be gone because now

the head coach should have been going in.

But now you're telling me that the players in the locker room don't even have a player they respect enough to even go to what y'all decided decided to do as a player destroy the whole team the head coach and start over

what do you think

debo i think you making perfect sense i'll say this for one thing like we said tua

you have to be performing at such a high you're the quarterback of the team you come out there and throw three fucking picks and you're talking about people not coming to a players only meeting nobody's respecting you as a leader for one thing you're coming out there and it's a a players-only meeting.

This is getting out to the media because of you.

You're making things about people not coming to the players-only meeting.

And now, if it's a players-only meeting that they're not attending, it's because they don't respect you or they don't respect who's ever throwing the meeting.

These dudes are grown-ass men.

If you didn't get this meeting time that we needed to do while we're in this facility from fucking eight to four, nigga, I'm out of here because all this shit you're talking about is not a crazy thing.

He said it was online.

He's one of them.

He ain't even doing this.

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I'm not even zooming to your shit.

Hey, it's over with.

Whoever the owner, who's the owner of the Miami Dolphins, listen, get rid of

your head coach.

I don't even know what he be talking about half the time when he having an interview.

I don't know what he's doing.

That boy on uppers and downers, I don't know what's going on.

The team, the players that's supposed to be your captains, they don't even respect them.

Take them C's off their chest because that's the people that making these meetings and ain't nobody showing up.

The respect is is lost and gone there like you got to start all the way over man

yeah i mean for tour to be calling people out like that it's kind of crazy because

obviously you're letting the the media they don't need to be knowing about these people not showing up to your plans or the meetings you need to be go talking to these dudes directly and getting respect from a man that's on your team not showing up to your meeting you think telling the media that he's not showing up to your meeting is going to make him want to come or like you trying to embarrass somebody from your team like no, these dudes aren't vested.

No, you grown-ass man, it's another man.

You're talking about having a player.

So, now what's happening?

Now, what's happening?

Hey, who ain't go to the meeting?

Who ain't go to the meeting?

Did you go to the meeting?

Now, the reporter's at it.

Did you go to the meeting?

Did you go to the meeting?

Did you go to the meeting?

Bro,

players-only meetings is the first thing, and then people are not showing up to your players-only meeting.

It's players-only meeting.

You just lost one and a half engines.

Okay,

you're going down.

You're going.

You only got two and you lost half of the one you had.

You're going down.

I ain't showing up.

Man, you lost both engines and one of the wings just fell off that son, bitch.

It's over.

It's over with.

It's over with.

And then, like you said, too, I love make that coach.

He was my quarterback.

He was the wide receiver coach for the Browns when I was there.

Was he like that when you were there?

Yeah.

Just

like that.

The same exact.

He hasn't changed one bit, and that's not in a bad way.

He's a smart man, but leader of

other men, you know, I'm saying, asking him a question, he gives you something that you like.

Just okay, that makes sense.

Like, he's a little, you know, just

flowy.

Like, you said, you say, flowy, you say, you say, I'm coming.

You call him down.

You say, oh,

I say,

dude, I could have done better than that.

And I'm horrible at public speaking.

Like, I'm trash.

No, no, no, for sure.

Uh, uh, uh,

I don't even.

So, yeah.

Huh?

You ain't said nothing.

All you said was, yeah.

So he said,

you know, we are.

And, yeah.

And, you know, he understands.

Huh?

You said a whole lot of

when I fired you.

Yeah.

Fired.

He can say, yep, yep.

Fired?

Man,

what's going on over there, Mike?

Yeah, they got to do better, man.

It's not looking good.

You can't, listen, man.

Yeah.

And like you said, you're putting it out there now.

And you're putting it out there to hope to shame the dudes into coming.

Like, that's even worse.

That's how much they don't respect you.

You trying to literally, I said, you're going to the media about them not coming to your price.

That ain't how you lead.

Now they're looking at you like, damn, fed.

You a snitch whole time.

Nah, well.

Like, it's

they are his snitch.

They kind of already knew you was the police.

Now they for sure.

Oh, no, now they for sure.

He's the feds, bro.

You the feds.

You go do 80%,

85% of your time for sure.

What did it see?

Look, Dez said something about it.

You see, Dez tweeted about it.

What did he say?

Dead say, I want to know what part of this is going to take accountability for.

Tua threw three picks today.

Tua is the third in the NFL with the most interceptions thrown by a quarterback.

If you haven't said this privately first, then in the media, I don't respect it.

And since we are on the topic of respect, I guarantee a lot of the players don't respect Tua.

Tua points the finger and literally has four pointing back at him.

If you want to win, put Ewers in.

Who is Ewers?

Man, shit, shit.

It must be the backup quarterback.

That's crazy.

I ain't even heard him.

And

he's ready to put it in.

But that's exactly what we were saying, though.

I mean,

that ain't no news, Flash.

No, that's,

it is what it is.

Like, we're saying the same thing, bro.

We've been in the locker rooms before.

We know when people are in their thing.

And like, at the end of the day, like, there was player-only meetings that we did once a week for the Stillers,

like the DBs would do.

Everybody, all the DBs in there and we would host it ourselves and we have food you know what i'm saying like somebody had to get food from a good ass spot and we would watch right but you're not you're you're not having a meeting to try and figure out why the hell it's going you're having a extra meeting to plan and and get ready for the opponent that you're playing against to go all that extra stuff to eat and and and you know and and and and hang out together to go

but but what i'm but what i'm saying is do at the same time with that though debo at the end of the day people don't got to go to those you know what i'm saying like that is extra that is after but there's a respect that when i came there that was there it's mandatory like it's not

but it's mandatory because whatever else you gonna do like we gonna come we gonna have this meeting all the boys gonna link up and we look forward to it because i already bet like i'm with my boys but at the end of the day like don't have to be that way but knowing like people respect their leadership dudes everybody understands like if joe if joe in there i'm in there you know what i'm saying if we be in there i'm in like why the would i be in there you know what i'm saying so it's like a it's a unspoken because you could tell the dudes of respect to people if If you say something, then they're going to just come because you're not just saying stuff out your ass, something you're not wanting to even, it's just because it is what it is.

Boom, we just gonna come.

You know what I'm saying?

So that's why I don't know if we got to make it mandatory.

What did it?

What?

What?

That's that's just like, I'm not making it men, but we, if we say it's like they, it's a respect thing.

If things you, you just not talking all the time.

So when you, somebody were to say something, then that means he, okay, boom, he means he's not just speaking, talking all the time.

Troy Palomalu never went out, never partied, never did anything.

But come rookie dinner, Troy is going out.

Why?

Because that's what it is.

It's camaraderie.

It's an event that happens every year.

He is not like he drank or anything, but he was there.

He was there.

He was there.

It's volumes, bro.

Yes.

Volumes for sure.

Yes.

Yeah, but.

mandatory on something stop stop playing man

listen denver went on head and beat the jets it was 13 to 11, but like it really wasn't like that close.

It was close, but it wasn't that close.

Dude, Denver's defense,

dude, they just dominated these boys, man.

They didn't allow these boys to run the ball.

They ain't allowing to pass the ball.

They shut down everything, man.

Running back, only, no, he had 22 carries, bro, and only 59 yards.

Like Fields, this boy sacked nine times.

You know what happened?

Well, he said, listen, for every completion I get, I'm going to let y'all get a sack.

So he had nine completions and they got nine sacks.

That had that, that's the only that's the only thing I could say.

I don't know, man.

I'm just telling you, that's the only reason.

That's the only way I could see that, you know, it was, you know, that's how they mended it out.

They only converted, I think, what

two,

maybe third downs, two.

That was it.

A total of 82 yards.

Period.

Dude, how are you?

Negative 10

passing yards, bro.

Huh?

Dude, they was hitting Justin Fields, dude, so much, though.

I ain't even talking about the, you know, just the Sacks.

They hit him 15 times, too.

Like,

what in the world

is popping over there?

This was what I'm, I woke up at nine.

Like, the Denver's offense, really, they ain't do nothing, bro.

All they had to do was sit out there, man, and just just don't turn the ball over.

And

that's it, brother.

What I'm trying to say is, I watched that game from beginning to end because it was the London game.

It was 9:30 in the morning, and I was geeked.

I'm like, okay, bet.

We got good football.

I'm going to watch this entire game and see what's going on with the Jets because Aaron Glenn was my DB coach.

I love, I like Aaron Glenn a whole lot.

Okay, great coach.

Okay, so you're about to say something because you said you like him a whole lot.

That's what I'm prefacing with negative.

You're about to come with.

Go ahead.

No, it was the worst offensive display I've ever seen.

Like their defense was playing amazing, turning the ball over, putting him in great field position, pump returns, putting him in great field position.

My man Fields only had like he had short fields the whole first half to just try to get something going.

They couldn't move the ball at all.

Negative 10 passing yards, the running game, it looked like

it almost looked like they weren't trying.

And his Justin Fields simple speed outs, like routes on air.

When your receiver, Gary was running the speed out and he's throwing it in the dirt behind him, making him fall back.

It just looks like the simple passes he could not make.

You know what I'm saying?

So I was looking at it because I'm like, okay, Denver isn't doing anything also.

Like Bo Nick's loving the death, but their defense was playing great.

They made them punt the ball eight times.

He had eight punts.

So like they kept giving him opportunities, turnovers on short fields, great punt returns.

And it's like, Justin Fields, you're not doing anything.

Like, you're harming your team.

Somebody, just throw the ball up, get him.

I mean, he can do better.

He could definitely do better.

But also, you got to realize, I believe the offensive coordinator, I think this is his first time being an offensive coordinator.

So maybe he's not able to fit his offense or play call to what it is that the strength of Justin is.

Also.

Justin has been in a lot of teams, though, bro.

True statement.

The one thing that I didn't like when we picked Justin up, I'm like,

we picked him up.

Okay, cool.

You ain't really have to do nothing to get him or give up anything to get him.

But the thing that caused me to have to worry was when he was saying about his offensive coordinator in Chicago, he was like, it was along the lines that they got me thinking too much.

They just need to let me go out there and play.

And that to me said, I can't understand this game.

I can't learn it.

I can't read it.

I can't get the ball where it needs to go in time.

That's what it said to me.

So that's him not being able to perform the level he needs to and understand the game that he needs to understand.

So I'm seeing it at a

50 on him,

maybe 60 on him.

And the coordinator is not giving plays and designing things that's going to be beneficial for his talents.

I think Justin Phil's talents are very, I think Justin Phill's talents are his athleticism and his mobility.

But being able to, if you can't read defenses fast and you think that, like, sometimes offenses, I'm not trying to say, but if you say, like, he's giving you too much, some, that's, that's what quarterbacks do.

Quarterbacks have to know what everybody's doing and what the defenses are doing in the checks.

And it's a lot of information.

I know the line.

That's why I ain't worth going.

You may have to.

That's why that's the hardest position in the league by far, because just the amount of information that you have to process and in a fast level.

So when dudes are moving, trying to like bluff you and you don't know what the coverage is, and then they start, um they can trick you that means that you're not that good of a quarterback you know what i'm saying because you have to be able to execute and be able to get things on the fly and be able to know what everybody's doing with your whole offense in the position you know what i'm saying so if you're like oh no it's too much for me to uh I'm sorry.

That's not my bad.

You're a professional quarterback.

These dudes are making $60 million a year.

So they can process information.

So they can do these things and be able to get all these other guys in the right spots.

So I understand completely.

But when I'm looking at it, I'm like, yo, if you don't know how to read the defense and then like throwing bad passes for quick outs that are like Rouse on air, I'm sorry, we need to find another guy.

Like a lot of the stuff, like it could be offensive coordinator, too, but some of the stuff just looking at it, I'm like, boy, you're not helping, you're hurting the squad.

Oh, no question, dude.

And then you got, uh, you know, you got Garrett Wilson.

He had an exchange with Aaron Glenn going into halftime.

Like, what?

What do you think he said?

I'm look because you saw like they just they didn't even look like they were trying to get a field goal.

They were down at the 50-yard line with 30 seconds left.

And they just let the clock run out.

Like they didn't even try to get another 10 yards, run up, spike it, get a field goal.

He's like, oh, no.

Like Erin, like they didn't even believe.

They thought, oh, no, he might throw a pick.

He might take a sack.

Something bad is going to happen.

Let's just get in the halftime.

Instead of let's go get, let's go get some points on the board.

Let's try to get some momentum going in the halftime.

You go in the halftime looking like this.

Oh, let's just not fuck this up.

And Gary Wilson is standing there like, throw me the ball.

Like, I'm trying to get us activated.

Let's get, let's get going.

And he's walking off and sees that the coaches aren't going to call a play.

I'm pissed.

I'm like, what are we really doing?

Are we not trying to score?

Are we not trying to win?

I can do that.

You're showing me that you're happy with the process, with the process, with the progress that you have right now at this point in the game.

That's and they may have been too scared to actually go because when you're getting pressure like that, sacked left and right you know you you only one play away from that sack fumble to the house yeah but he came on it's coming off of a completion a rare completion he had one so everybody's running up he only had nine of them baby bro he only had nine they coming off a rare completion everybody looking 30 seconds calm down and then he's they just looking at each other like okay let's just wait for this thing let's just go in here slow down slow down

you think two and bro calm the down now

And then they still only lost like two points, dude.

Like, that tells you how much of nothing Denver's offense was doing, dude.

I'm putting it into Denver's offense wasn't doing nothing, but damn it, the defense of the Jets was balling.

They were creating turnovers and like getting off the field on third downs.

They was doing their part.

So like, that's why I look at the offense like you can't.

You had 30, there was like 33 yards in the first half and 30, 40 something in the second half.

I'm like, yo, that's crazy.

Like

all over, the whole, the whole game.

That's, that's crazy.

That's bad ball.

So the Chiefs beat the Lions 30 to 17, but

that wasn't a big to go to.

It was after the game when Branch refused to shake Mahomes' hand and then went up to Juju and basically shoved him, punched him in his face and his helmet.

And then the brawl started.

Dan Campbell, he did not like it.

He called out his player.

And, you know,

what is your take on this?

You

about players, you know, doing extracurriculars after the game.

Man, I'm not about it at all.

I'm not here for it.

You got three hours in that game to literally, in between them whistles, do what you got to do.

It's a physical, brutal sport where you can really go get your revenge in a good way and not like trying to hurt nobody.

But yeah, you can get physical.

You can come and smack somebody.

Bomb.

Yeah.

And like you can really get your get back in between the whistles in the football game.

So I'm thinking after the game, once it's all over, it is what it is.

It's a competitive juices get up.

People get feeling some type of ways.

But at the end of the day, we're all in the NFL.

We're all trying to provide for our families.

do the right thing and like just hope hopefully nobody you know is trying to go out into like injure anybody so my whole thing is emotions get high but once the game is over the game is over i'm trying to get back to the crib back to the family and get out of there but uh i i just don't understand how i mean you could walk up on you i saw it like no handshake and then just pop my man

that's right that's not okay you know what i'm saying it was he lowkey had his hand

yeah and that that you you can't do that you can't do that it's not uh it's not really anything

Is it anything that somebody can say to you that would cause you to do that?

Honestly, bro, unless nobody, if you don't put your hands on me then it is what it is you know what i'm saying like i always like words that you can talk people get in emotions but like once you get physical once you put your hands on me then that's a whole different game you know what i'm saying so like people altercations people talk whatever but at the game i'm out of there like you can be grown enough to be mature enough to walk away there's not too many things that nobody can say to me to have me up up in a roar like that but i feel like once you touch me then it's then then it's then it's then it's all hell break loose it doesn't matter like you did that now you overstepped for sure words can be spoke whatever whatever and we go our separate ways it is what it is but once you start putting your hands on me once you start touching me keep your hands to yourself you know what i'm saying like yeah that's that's that's how i feel about that yeah it really ain't nothing you can say to me that's go go cause me to to do that because i'm already thinking about money and in today's era how dudes post social media this and that if you really want to do this and we got a problem you want to say we can meet we can meet in the office we can meet we can meet it's not probably training in the same state.

Like, if it's really that, that real, we can meet in the offseason.

This ain't no,

and you could do it behind closed doors.

You know how that is, youbo.

If dudes really want to smoke, you know, how to find each other, it's very easy.

It could do it quietly, yeah.

Matter of fact, you gotta walk up to them, hey, Juju, you know what I'm saying?

You're gonna have to see about me, whatever, whatever.

And they can literally link.

And if you really wanted to do it, but that is just a like motion pop-off.

You know, it's about to be a whole shebang.

Money's gonna be a fine.

Everybody's gonna be talking talking about this instead of what really happened in the game.

You know what I'm saying?

So

if you really wanted it, then we could make it happen.

But like, I just don't feel that's just like that.

Come on, man.

You know, and I'm not knocking the branch character or anything, but that's just not a good look.

Just walked up to my man, bomb.

And it is what it is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good Lord.

We almost listen tonight,

Chicago.

and at Washington.

Okay.

That's tonight's game.

All right.

We want to thank y'all for joining us.

Time went fast at time, man.

We want to thank y'all for joining us on this episode of Deborah and Joe, man.

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We will be back here on Tuesday.

Joe stuff, huh?

Hayden, what you got to say?

We will be here on Tuesday to talk about the Bears

game, see what they're talking about.

Bears versus Washington Commanders.

It's actually up the street.

I'm thinking my mic go up there and see what JD is talking about.

Go on, let you know.

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