Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Aaron Rodgers & Steelers FALLING to Joe Flacco & Bengals

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Welcome back to Debo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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Yo,

hey, I think my camera just went.

I think I'm getting some

interference, some type of technical difficulties here.

Hey,

can you guys see what's going on here?

Make sure you check on that.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'm getting a lot of noise here.

What the hell is going on?

Yeah.

Yo, yo, I think, yo, it's storming outside right now, man.

I think we're doing a camera, dude.

Like, it's crazy.

I don't know what's going.

Nah, bro.

Honestly, I think.

Hold up, bro.

I think the, yo, water

through my door right here, bro.

I don't know what is going on, bro.

Yo, I think we're going to have to cancel this, bro.

We're going to have to pick this up on Monday.

I can't see or hear anything, bro.

You're going to have to pick this up on Monday.

You good?

You good.

I see you, Debo.

You good.

You right on the screen.

You good to go.

We are here.

We got to do today.

We got to talk about, we got to talk about what happened.

You started to, yeah, you're trying to malfunction.

I was looking for my glasses.

You over there trying, you over there trying to fuck up the system because you don't want to talk about the Steelers game.

I was trying to get my glasses.

That's what.

Okay, we back.

Okay, yeah, we here.

We here today, Ibo.

We here.

We got to talk about it.

We got to talk about it.

Did you see the game?

Did you see the game?

Yeah, yeah.

I saw the game.

Did you watch the whole entire thing?

I watched the whole entire thing.

You know what?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Listen.

The first drive.

Listen.

It was okay.

but like i was a little nervous because we got behind the chains with the little false start at the first drive okay third and 11.

and then he he hit my guy dk because they put him one-on-one that was that was yes 39 right there great great you got to start early jalen came through it was like three carries he think he got about 20 20 yards or so

you know and

we get we get that good nice little 10 yard touchdown baby it opened it up oh line giving him all that time all that time It was a lot of time.

Seven, nothing, dude.

Seven, nothing.

Bengals offense come out there.

We go ahead, jump on their net.

Second down, we get that good sack on them.

And then they able to convert on the third and 14 for 18 yards.

Yeah.

Joe Flacco was throwing the ball on time.

Yeah, he was throwing the ball on real, real, real on time.

But we, you know, we hold him up, you know, we do what we got to do.

We make him, we make him punt.

One of only what three times that we made him punt anyway.

Offense comes out.

Then what happened, bro?

What happened, bro?

When the offense came out, bro,

the Steelers offense, yes.

Well, we punted the first where we punted

the second time.

We came out, bro.

Oh, the second time we came out, we punted.

And the third time we came out, we got a field goal.

No, dude.

Didn't that his first pick then

no no no no no no no

hey rod at the beginning of the game bro we started good the first two the first the at the first quarter it was like 10 10 00 you know what i'm saying um because we went down the first drive obviously we scored then we stopped the

bangles on their first two drives and then our next drive we got a field goal You know what I'm saying?

And that's when it was 10.

When it was 10-0, Debo.

That's when everything for the Steelers was looking good.

Everything was fine.

No, it wasn't.

That's when

the Bangladesh offense came immediately out after we went up 10-0.

Yes, that's when they hit the cracker.

Rick,

either the linebacker or the D-lineman was out of the position, didn't get to where they needed to get to, dude.

And then on the third and 10, they get 15.

Like, come on, get a touchdown call back and still run the play the next play and hit the same, hit chase again.

Give me, we 10, we 10-7.

Jamar Chase, Fadeball.

Jamar Chase.

There's a lot of problems.

We lost too much chase.

We're going to get

to that anyway.

We're going to go play-by-play rundown, then we're going to give them the end of what we really think happens.

Now, that's where they come back out.

Yes.

And the Bengals

go

not, not the Bangles, the Stillers.

The Stillers.

And that's when we come out and throw that pick.

Yes.

The Stillers come out when we throw a pick like i understand trying to

like get the ball to him but like on that one i don't that's not a good play right there debo that's not a good pick it was the the the corner was on top obviously and the safety was leaning over that way he was looking at the safety safety was running over there it was either the corner or the safety was going to pick it he didn't need to throw that ball like that was just an unnecessary turnover that we had for sure that was a bad that was one that was a bad play for for rogers on our part like that when i was looking and i was i'm like now the momentum is starting to shift.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

The momentum is going to be.

And they get the ball back, and they crack us in the head for 37 on the first play.

Brown.

Yes.

I'm at a loss.

Get a PI and then

here come the other receiver, Higgins.

Higgins.

29-yard touchdown.

And he runs the slant straight through the defense.

Like, it's wide open.

And that's when Joe Flacco throwing it on time.

Boom, hits him.

He cuts up in between four of the stillest defenders like that it just it looked fluff flaker was thrown on time and then that's when they started picking our defense apart brother zones mans running every through

and then immediately i'm thinking yeah we got a chance the offense is still moving the ball we got i ain't gonna lie dude dude made a play on that ball oh my goodness dj dj turner the second that play was amazing like being able to play through the hands discipline didn't interfere was able to run the ball got got it down And got the knee down.

Yes, got down.

Now,

don't forget he got down.

He had to get down.

Like one knee is two feet.

He got that knee down and had control of the ball.

It was no.

DK was trying to rough it back.

No, they was like, is the ball wobbling, moving?

I'm like, no, it's not.

That's a pick.

That's a pick right there.

Yeah, yeah, that's a pick.

Well, at least that time we were able to hold him to a field goal.

So yes,

it's 10 to 17.

You know, ain't feeling too bad.

Still feeling like, you know, we could possibly do something, get it going.

And we don't.

We don't.

The Bengals offense comes out in the third quarter and they convert a fourth down.

I'm thinking, yo,

the best we could hope for is a field goal.

And we get that.

We get the field goal.

We get the field goal.

We hold them to a field goal.

It's 20 to 10.

Ramsey made a good stop

on T.

Higgins in the end zone.

to be able to stop a touchdown on there.

So definitely defense stood up there, got a field goal.

Cool.

So we're looking at 20 to 10 yes offense come out there and we finally started getting something going we get a couple runs from warren you know rogers starts making some some some good throws we're a little behind the chains on that third down though we we what was it third 19 20 18

18 something like that

fire move come through for us down ball to fire move fire move balled out 17 20 man i'm feeling good now i'm thinking yo all right now the you know not a defense gonna wake up You know what happened?

This old man, Flacco, that the Browns should have never gave to the Bengals, goes and does a whole drive, just nothing but eight passes, dude,

67 yards, touchdown.

Yes.

And during that drive, the biggest play I liked on the third down that he converted, it was third and four when Slay, they came down and they was basically in a zero coverage, just doubling Jamar Chase.

Safety came, dropped down, left them zero coverage with that.

And he just, Flacco was throwing it on time, looking at the players, man-to-man.

Okay, boom, like dropped it right over his head on that deep third and fourth to convert there for them to be able to get down there to score.

So I'm like, Flacco was looking good.

Defense was not making those plays that they needed to make.

Oh, no question.

But again, dude, it's not.

It's not over.

It's not over.

It's not over.

We're going ahead and punch 137 for Jalen going, bust 137 on the next, on the next drive the very first play.

You know, Rogers finishes it off.

Touchdown, hey, it's 24 to 27.

I'm like, yo,

we got it.

We got real shot, real chance here.

Like

defense go hold.

You know what I'm saying?

Yep.

Flacco

and the dude, the running back Brown,

dude.

I'm

even with a holding penalty, dude, putting up

that.

that we still had to, we still gave him a feel, though.

Yes.

Like, I'm upset.

I mean,

it was a lot of Mr.

Simons there, though.

Like, when the tight end caught that pass and got like a 38-yard completion, like, that's just Mr.

Simons.

You know what I'm saying?

Dudes running scot-free down the field.

They was able to hold him, but you just can't do that.

Like, dudes running wide open.

I can see if they contest it, but running them scot-free, that's Mr.

Simons.

No question, man.

Then the offense, they come back out, they do a three-out.

And I'm like, yo, no, this ain't going.

I'm like, yo, please, defense, just hold them just one time.

Just one, give them, give me one time.

And they do it, right?

They do.

They do.

My man Swap came out, got his sack.

I'm like, we got this.

And dude.

We go and get a big play.

This is the only time I'm like, we done gave them a big play.

We done got a big play.

We done scored a touchdown.

It's great.

We're up up 31 now, 31 to 30.

31 to 30.

But it's too much time left for Joe Flacco.

Two minutes, 21 seconds, Debo.

And this is when all the game, this is for all the marbles.

Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase.

I just got tired of hearing his name.

And look, this is what I'm thinking.

It's looking like we're leaning back and a lot of those are in like zones.

Get out there.

If you got to

punch number two and get underneath number one, because we got got Joey Porter and them like bailing out, and Jamar Chase is running those comebacks and curls, like right to the sideline.

I'm not understanding it.

Dude,

I think what it came down to, dude, they started running the rock.

We started putting eight and nine in the box.

Joe started doing run pass option, dumping it off.

So we try and get him out the box.

And like when you got him in the box like that, and he, yo, they going manned up.

Come on, stop, man.

You talking about Jamar Chase and Higgins.

But

me the thing that was getting me though bro was we were running if we were running man coverage we got to still at the end of the day try to still protect the sideline like he's running out he's running deep benches like 12 and outs you know what i'm saying getting the ball and being able to get to the sideline like at we should be able to at least trap those a couple of plays i was looking with jamar chase ran the ones with um jalen ramsey was running across in motion with him and he even run the out route i would want uh slay outside corner like you you if you get outside release look back in he's in the slot jamar chase right now steal that you know what i'm saying like have a safety over top you can go steal that so it was just not good good plays and then the last play with this well the one that the safety tried to steal ended up being a touchdown

you took no food for this

for uh for um

for the bangles oh yeah no no no

they was they was they was tripping that safety he needs to just be backing over the top i'm talking i don't know what he was doing on that one he was wild

now.

We got to use our timeouts.

We can't stop him.

Sharp field goal.

It was the grand

Higgins caught the fade ball too and was and got down and didn't go score.

Didn't go score and get the ball back.

IQ up there.

IQ on a thousand.

I want to hear about winning.

Like he's trying to win.

Yeah, dude.

Yeah, it was not, dude.

It was

not a pretty performance by us at all.

We have problems.

We have defensive problems, specifically run and pass game.

We ain't faced nobody, dude.

We done played the Jets, who we beat, but it was a 19th rank offense, dude.

They still gave up 182-yard rushes.

That's like what, 4-7 of pop.

The running back had five and some change of pop.

And Justin, he ain't had that much but he was efficient 16 to 22 for 218

we lost to seattle who is a 10th rank offense

we gave up what

four yards of rush that game

running back walker that boy had eight yards of pop arnold almost had 300

like We had two turnovers, but we gave up two.

We traded.

I think both got 10 points.

We broke even there, lost the game

and then new england 26 in the rush dude they got a they got 119 yards rushing which ain't a lot it ain't it ain't a lot any

four yards a rusher so their biggest rusher was the quarterback i think he had maybe six a rush but they they also had 207 yards pass the only reason we won that game is we got five turnovers they either stopped themselves from scoring or we stopped them from scoring and ended up getting points from it.

Plus, the quarterback was sacked five times and in key situations.

So that win right there, we wouldn't have got it without all of the turnovers and the pressure.

Minnesota, again, 25th, 21st in a rush.

70 yards ain't bad, not bad at all.

Dude,

we gave up.

We gave up 350 passing.

We got two turnovers that helped us.

One field goal got blocked.

The other one we scored a touchdown on.

but again we got six sacks we got pressure on him you know what i'm saying so we made them we we we they wasn't doing everything great but if it wasn't for the fact that we got the turnovers we'd have lost that one and the browns dude 28 they 28 on everything man

65 yards rushing but they tried to go in there and use a quarterback to pass the ball 52 times you get him sacked and pressured like that was more the browns That's more like, yes.

And then we get to the Bangles, bro.

Dead last

in the rush, 31st total.

And we give up

142 yards.

You rushing six a tote.

And the running back Brown.

Yeah, 1108.

Yeah, 11 for 108.

Almost 10 yards a tote.

On top of we turned the ball over twice, they got 10 points off of that.

And Flacco busted for almost 350.

We have a huge defense problem.

I'm looking at the talent we have.

We have the talent, right?

I'm thinking we have the talent.

So what is going wrong, bro?

Like, what you tell me, what is going wrong here?

This is what it is, Debo.

A lot of that Bamba don't break stuff.

We do that all the time, but there's too many times where people are running scot-free.

There's too many times where somebody just busted coverages or people are just running wide open.

Do you know what I'm saying?

So that's where on the secondary part, I'm speaking on the secondary first.

On the secondary, there's too many miscommunications.

There's too many people running scot-free.

On a lot of these things, and then in their zones, if you're running the zone, you got to get to your zone.

People need to be in the spaces that they're supposed to be.

When we're bailing out on Jamar Chase and letting him just run these Clinton routes, you have to keep eyes on him.

leverage.

You know what I'm saying?

And then losing your one-on-ones, there were opportunities where when I love Jalen Ramsey, but when you're playing on the dude and you're outside and you're having them dudes, those are plays that

they made and we didn't.

You know what I'm saying?

Those plays that they're making, that we're not making are hurting that defense.

Then at the same time, when you go to the running game, these are explosive plays.

These dudes were running.

Every time they toted it, they were getting to the second level.

That's on who's that's on your defensive line.

That's on the front line, dude.

That's on your front line.

That's on your front line, right?

You need to be getting some pushback and getting him contact.

He needs to be getting contacted before he gets to the second level.

Like secondary making tackles, that's because you're somebody else in the front is messing up.

It's a whole lot easier to look at Jalen Ramsey, to look at uh Darius Slay, to look at the secondary, because those dudes are out there on the island playing versus ballers.

So, if nobody's getting to them, you're going to be able to see their mistakes a whole lot more glaring because you know I'm saying they're out there on the forefront.

When your dude's running 11 carries for 108, why is he getting to the second level each time?

There's people if you're able to be that successful in the run,

now you have to try and stop the run, which opens up your opportunities for easier, deeper passes, because now you got to bring more people down into the box to try and stop the run.

When you can't stop the run, it opens up the pass, period.

And the only reason we've been able to win is Aaron went booku against the Jets.

Okay.

They did.

That's why we won that.

The defense, not even the defense,

the Patriots turned everything over.

Minnesota couldn't protect.

And

the Browns,

they had a rookie quarterback.

Yeah.

Like,

we done spent all this paper over here on defense.

And don't get me wrong.

Like I said, the offense, yes, they have some issues too.

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It's issues on the offense side, but we didn't spend all that money over there on the offense.

Yeah, we got DK,

but yeah, we can't effectively run the ball.

Like we got to do dunk game alternatives for running the ball because our offensive line isn't effective enough.

We got 50, 11 tight ends that we just started using last week.

We scored 31 points, Debo.

The Steelers are supposed to win.

Yes.

That's all I'm saying.

Offense is a lot of fun.

Yes, it's Easter famine around here.

And

it starts with turnovers and pressure, whether we get them or it's self-inflicted.

And then we ended up picking them up because of the other team.

They dude fumbled the rock.

How many times in New England, what, three, two, three, four?

I don't know.

It looked like a replay.

He kept coughing the ball.

It was three, about three times.

I don't even know.

Like, we have to get this fixed on the defensive side.

You can plainly see where, like you said, guys are missing assignments.

Are we not understanding what we're doing?

Are we not explaining this well enough?

Is this a coaching issue?

Or is it just playing out?

You're just getting beat and you can't get to the spot that you need to be at and be able to do the job that you need to do.

It's everything, I believe, dude.

I think when you see, and at the same time, it's a lot of those, because I was watching plays, brother.

Like when they had to drive the ball down.

on the last drive to go to go score and Jamar Chase ran the under route and he and the the the the the text message that you sent he was fifth like nobody was in the screen and that's jamar chase running the underneath route for 18 yards when all they have to do is get down in field goal range to win the game like that's just how how is he doing that and that that that's accountability like is it looked like it's three three it looked like a fire zone coverage and that means that had to be maybe i mean you can see um

uh what's his name linebacker six yeah six but i'm i'm i'm i'm I'm saying when we're not in the locker room exactly, but it's either you got a fires.

No, I'm saying you can see he was confused he's pointing trying to tell somebody to go here go there and nobody moves to it when when when he motions i'm like

but yeah long story they need to get in the tape room the film room because those things don't need to be happening people that ended up running scot-free like you said jamar chase there's no reason he should be running down the field wide open for an 18-yard game when y'all are trying to prevent a field goal to to win the game

yeah and like

immediately dude i'm like 31 to 30.

I'm like, two minutes from change.

Not liking it.

Yo, and dude, jumps up.

Like, you go, come on, man.

This, this, this young stuff that you're doing to a 41-year-old quarterback, you go jump on this man's back and tackle him.

You know, you could have broke a hip.

Yeah.

Like,

he's a quarterback.

He is fragile.

You can't, you can't go doing all that celebrating.

And celebrate.

Now it looks real bad because we couldn't hold nothing.

Dude, we're going to be in trouble, trouble.

Like we haven't faced a top half offense.

I take it back.

New England was 16, but it took five turnovers, six sacks to get that accomplished, right?

Yeah.

Yo, we're not going to get that against Green Bay.

We're not going to get that against Indianapolis.

We're not going to get that against Los Angeles.

That's not going to, I'm even worried about Chicago now because they're 14.

Buffalo, come on, man.

Like you said, though, it's not a personnel problem.

We do have the personnel to do it.

We are opportunistic.

They do get a lot of turnovers.

They just got to win first downs, like get them behind the sticks.

They weren't getting them behind the sticks.

Or if they did, then Joe Flacco was throwing it on time.

Right.

Even when we got behind the sticks, they're throwing thirds.

He throws 10s, 12s, 14s.

Flacco was balling.

He was throwing the ball on time, and that's when you got to win your one-on-ones and be able to get after the quarterback.

So, I mean, yes, and we're getting no pressure.

Like, dude, we got to face Detroit too.

All they do is run the ball effectively.

Yeah, that's going to, that, that could be true.

That could be trouble.

That could be trouble.

Oh, D.

But you stress it out, huh?

Bruh.

You stressing out.

But look, this this is the thing.

This is the thing.

Y'all, we still

scored 31 points.

The offensive line protected Aaron Rodgers.

He was standing upright a lot of the game.

He was able to make passes.

Jalen Warren was toting.

The running game did look good.

It's the Bengals.

I don't care.

They still won, though.

It's any given Sunday.

And now the Bengals with Flacco.

Shit.

Flacco's not a dummy.

You know what I realized?

If you got a better receiver than the

Bengals

on defense

it still ain't help us win

dude defense got to show up at some point in time look we can't i don't know when is the last time we had a defense that was ranked this low what are we 26 28 that was a that was a good that was a yeah that was the defense played bad that game for sure um but that was a good that was a good football game that was a good football game by the offensive side of the ball and by joe flaccos because he was throwing the

I don't give a damn about a good football game.

I'd rather be sitting here talking about how we won ugly than how we.

Uh-uh.

I don't care how good the game was, Joe.

Hey, man, listen, that's that.

That's the, that's that, that's that.

It's any given Sunday, Debo.

Now you're going back to when they won all those games and saying, oh, no, they only, they didn't play.

You play against who you play in the stadium.

You can't be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You know what I'm saying?

You got to give them a a credit when they win, and then when they lose, definitely bash them.

But at the end of the day, if Aaron Rodgers didn't throw two picks, we still probably still won the game.

You know what I'm saying?

Like the defense did make a couple of stops at the end of the game on the fourth quarter.

Offense could have drove

instead of punting.

One stop.

The other two stops was early in the first quarter.

In the fourth, they made one.

The last eight possessions, they scored seven to eight.

What is she talking about, bro?

They made one stop.

You didn't do your job one time.

One time in the fourth.

Like, just once.

That's it.

You only one time.

Huh?

They didn't play good.

They needed another one, obviously, or they wouldn't have fucking lost the game.

You know what, man?

I'm going to talk this up.

I'm going to talk this up to Thursday night road games.

That's what I'm going to talk it up to.

Quick, quick, quick turnaround.

Like, my man, Flacco only had three days of practice.

Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

That's what I'm doing.

It's a Thursday night road game.

So that's we

got the worst Thursday night road game

performance ever.

Like, it's the longest streak in 45 years on Thursday night, I guess.

What?

Yo, the record?

The Stiller's record?

The Stiller's record, buddy.

Dang.

Yes.

Yes.

I guess rogue games over the last, what,

since 2000,

I take it back.

You go all the way back to 80.

Now we see why Coach T was pissed, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It ain't pretty.

I don't think Coach T done

won a Thursday night road game.

in his career.

That's wild.

yeah i was that i was yeah i was today or that's what i'm gonna talk it up to then yeah talk it up to thursday yeah yeah talk it up to a short week

yeah talk it up to thursday talk it up to a short week talk it up to miscommunicate it's thursday and everything happened because it was thursday road game away that's what i'm gonna go with even though i know it's bullshit We've been playing as a defense like trash.

We've just been able to get splash plays, sacks at the right times, and all that other stuff to be able to beat mediocre teams.

Okay.

Okay.

Shootouts.

And shootouts.

Yeah.

No.

You speaking facts.

The defense has to play better.

They have to.

They have the talent.

They have the plate.

They have the players.

They got to get that shit on tape because the running defense is not looking good.

And then the passing defense.

I mean, even on the offensive side, like we're, we're having, we're having errors of what's going on.

People don't know what's going on.

The flea flicker.

Yeah.

Dude, he's like, what are you doing?

Like, I can't be this case.

Like, what are you doing?

I can the flea flicker.

You're running the wrong play.

Yeah, he was hot.

He was hot.

Dude, I just

get over it.

You know what, though?

Yo.

Just feeling losing don't feel as bad as it do when you're actually there and you lose it.

So, how I'm feeling, I know they feeling way worse.

So, hopefully, that feeling will motivate them, coaches, players, everybody alike, to get whatever fixed we need to get fixed and get this thing moving in the right direction.

Like,

as a with a 26, 28, we're not, we're not, we're not going to go nowhere.

these offenses that we're going to face in the next what four or five weeks

they ain't they ain't turning the rock over like that they they they doing things more effective than anybody that we've played yet to date

if we come out there playing like we've been playing the last six, seven weeks,

we go get the band struck up on us.

We're going to get embarrassed.

They go dog walk us.

Damn, D.

Drop your nuts, man.

Put your foot in the ground.

Stand for something.

Dude, we can't even bust a grape in a fruit fight right now.

Yeah, no, I mean, the stats don't lie.

And they be running that ball.

They be toting it.

So, you know, they got it.

They, I, I know they got pride, man.

I know they got pride in that locker room.

And they don't want to hear us talking about how bad the damn run defense is.

And Debo over there looking pissed.

So, dude, not just the run,

the pass, every dude.

Everything.

I'm more with the pass defense, too.

Like you said, Debo.

I mean,

it's the total defense.

It's both.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm more like the run.

I'd feel far better if somebody beat me passing because they were just quick getting out the hands or something.

But when you run the ball on somebody, you have to physically move them out of your way

and make create holes.

Yes.

That's demoralizing that you can't stop another man from putting you where he wants you so they can go where they want to.

They're imposing their will on you.

Yes.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

I'm putting my foot on your neck.

But I just know, yeah, now that's a bad feeling too.

As a DB, just watching your boys just getting tossed out the way and you know that you got to make that tackle or he's going to strike up the band on a run play.

It's crazy.

Yes.

getting scored on dude on a run play that ain't

even on a run play that because we on the goal line if it's if it's if it's three yards or less like even then you got to drop down and stand up yeah every blade bro every blade of grass debo you got to call every blade

I don't even know why we came on here today.

Dang.

You were not expecting expecting this, Debo.

And that is that is for sure.

I can tell you are perplexed.

You are a little, yeah, you can, you get, you get a little frustrated when the still, you get frustrated when the stealers lose for sure.

You tried to have camera miss malfunctions this morning.

I, it, it was, I was looking for my glasses, uh-huh.

That's what I was doing.

I was really looking for my glasses, but

yo,

right now,

we trash,

yeah bro you are overreacting debo no i'm not overreacting i promise you you are brother no i'm not unless you are and the browns that's that that's the browns you dirty rotten bastards then went and gave them

yep they definitely did that though next time we see y'all did that Joe Flacco is a smart man.

I love watching him play quarterback now because at least he understands.

When he was with the Browns, I mean, I don't.

You giving too much

what i'm doing with too much what positive energy over here i'm feeling no bro this is what i'm saying you're gonna sit here and not give him not no not not not positive but did you not watch the game did you not see him picking us apart and even if he he was throwing those passes you know what i'm saying like he could have been throwing them jones into the dirt but he was throwing them right on the money and Jamar chasing them was catching them passes and the offensive coordinator you see

this is why you don't give him Joe Flacco.

Exactly.

I didn't give him Joe Flacco.

These people are making me lose.

Yeah, get mad, Debo.

Go ahead.

I'm telling you.

Because

you got to be a realist.

You saw the game and you're not giving Joe Flacco credit for looking like a beast out there and dropping them dimes to Jamar Chase.

And Higgins, who?

Who I'm going to give who?

No.

No.

He.

No.

No.

No, you're not going to say, you're not going to say Flacco did good.

I hate.

Listen,

I don't hate him.

You don't hate Joe Flacco.

I like Joe.

I know you do.

I hate the Browns as an organization.

Okay.

Whoever, whoever they,

whoever made that decision, I hope they go down there

and beat the brakes off y'all ass.

I hope he throw for 425, six touchdowns.

Hey, I was nothing, but I feel you.

I feel you.

The best for you, Joe, when you play the Browns.

Dog walk them.

Dog walk them.

Bro.

Hey, he might mess around and look.

He might mess around and do it because I don't think that was a smart decision at all.

Like, I don't, I don't, I agree with you a thousand percent.

We should never get it.

And what you get for it?

Nothing.

You ain't get nothing for it.

You traded a couple.

You ain't get nothing for it.

We ain't getting nathaniel we got nathaniel bro nothing y'all about to mess around

i was looking for the joe that was throwing picks this joe this is not the joe i was looking for bro that joe bro that joe and you put him in there with these receivers man those receivers bro are you kidding me like

that's what i'm trying to tell you that's why man yeah Joe Flacco, he realized something.

These dudes are really good on my team.

I'm I'm not going to stand back here and look goofy.

I want to throw the ball.

We ain't getting no pressure on him.

We ain't rerouting nobody.

We ain't stopping nobody from just going where they want to go.

We ain't getting no hands on nobody.

He throwing on, he throwing on time.

He's throwing.

Dude, he's throwing soon as a dude cut the break.

Bro, like his like right before the break.

Boom.

Throw your hands up.

It's right here.

Go ahead, Flacco.

I respect it.

I respect it because it just just shows that it wasn't him.

I mean, he got some players on the team.

He's going to throw it where they need to be.

You got to put them received.

They got to be where they got to be.

Mm-hmm.

Joe Flacco, and he's not out there.

Joe did his thing.

Yes, Joe.

Joe did his thing.

That's for the old guys.

Yes.

Yo, Joe, go ahead.

Yeah, the Unk Bo, all that stuff.

Unk went out there and pulled the belt out on our ass,

put belt to ass, as they say.

As the youngest say oh my goodness man

oh man it's all good listen man let's go over here man to to the north listen michael parsons calls

out the one sided officiating here's here's what he had to say you know what's so bad bro i can't get my mind off of this

let's listen to what micah said man you know five years is not gonna call you eventually start worrying about it you know but you know i think uh um

i just got to keep going that's just that's the hunt yeah like that's part of the challenges like you just got to keep going and that's bothers them that that worries them they know that like uh that's the part of being one of the best you know that comes with uh some territory where the parts that you hate and the parts that the league lets go like

They know, like, I mean, you can tell how they call the games.

They don't call out sides for offense, but they'll call on defense.

They won't call offensive pass interference, but they'll call defensive pass interference.

I mean, like, we know what you're trying to do.

They want to load the points up so fans can be happy.

And,

you know, I mean, they'll call defense a holding, but they won't call offensive holding.

Like, let's just wake up.

Like, it's just one of those things that

we know what the higher-ups is trying to do.

Like, the ref would say, I know that's a hold, but

what?

Like, you're not going to call it?

Like, come on.

Like, it's just one of those things that, like, I'm over it, and I'm going to just have to keep going, push through.

through?

What do you think, man?

You agree, disagree?

It might sound like he's making excuses, you know what I'm saying?

But kind of, you know, I mean, I played in the league too now for a minute.

And when we first got in, the rules are changing.

They do want points.

The referees will tell you, like, they'll definitely let a...

defensive offensive pass interference go before you like get it if you get a smidge of grabbing somebody's jersey or touching like that they can call defensive uh pass interference uh illegal touching and all that so i heard plenty of times like if a deep if i get pushed off on or i or pushed right hard enough to to stop you from being able to go where you wanted to go yeah it was i you seen it well i don't think it was enough to stop you or impede you from being able to follow him oh that hole wasn't enough he held on to you but you know he let go fast enough believe me i got all that stuff the block with the arm around the neck oh he wasn't holding you how's he not holding me?

But his arm is around my neck.

Well, you know, you're short and he's taller than you.

Well, yeah, that's part of his advantage and disadvantages that we both have.

Like that should be a hole.

I 100%

understand what he's saying.

And yes, he's right.

The game is getting tailored so that, you know, they want to see points.

That's what the fans want to see.

You know, they want to see these high scoring games back and forth.

I'm not of that because probably because we're defensive minded players.

Bro, when you play defense, it's like this.

If he's holding me, he's holding me.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you feel like it's very black and white.

If they, if they're, if I was pulling on him, you're going to call it on me.

So it's kind of like you, you understand it more.

Like when you play defense, we get it.

Like, no, that's not okay.

But when you ask in the refs, like, you're hearing it, like, when they're saying to you, nah, Debo, he had his arm around you because you were a little shorter.

It's like, but he's holding me.

You know what I'm saying?

Throw the flag.

You've seen it.

You know what I'm saying?

So they do that.

It happens all the time.

And defensive players, we hear it from the refs: like, man, what?

Like, he was grabbing me, like, no, but he didn't impede your process.

But, like,

so they can call grabbing me, he's impeding my process.

Oh, the jersey pull wasn't enough.

That's holding, he's pulling the jersey.

Like, he shouldn't be holding on to the jersey at all.

Like, well, he didn't, he didn't, you know, it wasn't enough to stop you from being able to go.

You were able to push through it.

Well, if he didn't pull me, maybe I'll get a little closer to making that tackle or that sack or

touching the quarterback to to you know hit hit the pass or or interfere with his throwing motion whatever that may be

so i yeah i 100 understand it but again he's going to have to understand it ain't just you it's the league it's the league it's the way it is and even speaking on it you know what i'm saying i mean not having the as many sacks as he wants right now you could be feeling some type of way you just want to get out how you feel and being serious about this is really legitimately happening but putting it out in the media is something that everybody kind of, we already know, it's kind of nothing really that they can be able to do about it, but it can definitely get an eye on.

So people can see like, look, you are getting held and they're not calling it.

But sometimes defensive players, you know what I'm saying, that it is what it is.

And it's happening to everybody in the league.

It's not just Michael.

Yeah, yeah, that's something.

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that you know you we're just gonna have to have to get over

your boy skip.

Man, he's out here tripping.

He called out, he called out Travis for getting baptized before the Jaguars came.

That that don't make no sense.

Listen, listen, listen to what Travis said in his uh his response to it.

Did you get baptized this morning?

Yes, why did you do that?

It's a crazy question.

Why did I get baptized?

This is why he choosed to go to the church this morning.

Uh, Sunday, it's God's day.

And I've been planning to get baptized for a minute.

You know, I want to change my life over and become a better man.

What does it mean to you?

He's a lot.

You know, becoming a better man, leaving my old flesh and just becoming a new trap of

you have a problem with him getting baptized when he got baptized or whatever the situation may be.

That kind of threw me off.

Like, why'd you get baptized?

She said it like she had a problem with it or something.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, that kind of that kind of, you know, that kind of made me feel some type of way, like

calling somebody out because they got baptized.

It's like calling somebody out for going to church on Sunday.

Like, it don't, it don't, it don't make no sense.

Like, are you out of your mind?

So, you're telling me that the timing is not right for someone to accept a Lord and Savior.

And that he said he was checking himself out, huh?

He's checking himself out.

no no he's checking himself in

he's checking himself in matthew 19 26 says but jesus looked at them and said with man this is impossible but with god all things are possible he's realizing that this isn't just him

Okay, he wants to cleanse himself of his sins, leave his old life behind, his old ways of thinking, his old ways of living, and start to follow his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

You telling me the timing ain't right.

No, right now is the time.

You sound like you, that timing ain't right.

You sound like the devil, Skip.

That sounds like something the devil would say.

Because of a football, stop, stick to football, man.

Get out of here.

Come on.

I feel you, Debo.

You are 1,000% right.

Sunday is the Lord's Day at the end of the day.

And i'm never

uh the religion is really big in my family i know it's really big in your family i'm a go-fearing man and i'm never pushing any religion onto anybody but if somebody's accepting their lord and savior and they want to get baptized and do what they got to do i'm so happy for him because i think he's opening a new chapter like you said in his life and it's going to be nothing but better for him because it's bigger than me i know that i know everybody spiritually however they feel this world is bigger than us so for him to do that i appreciate it i'm happy for him it's not because it had nothing to do with nothing that we worried about this is a bigger thing and i did he miss the game was he late no like did any of that happen before the game in time everything was there was able to make his his things because there's 24 hours in a day nobody is sitting there clocking you what you were doing this morning before you came to your to your job like travis hunter he has a job to do he has to be there two hours before the kickoff I know he, I'm not saying, no, exactly, but I'm thinking he made all of his times and all of his places that he had to be.

I'm expecting that he was there.

You know what I'm saying?

And still did what he had to do.

So

I can't understand where Skip is coming from.

I know we people just get so wrapped up in football, football, and make the main thing the main thing.

Stay singularly focused.

I don't know.

Are you clout chasing?

Like, are you trying to get a headline?

Like, I don't, what's going on?

That don't even do.

That just sounds crazy to me.

Like, yeah,

that don't make sense.

You're checking out because you're checking in

with your Lord and Savior and saying, yo, you are the Lord of my life.

I'm here.

I want to follow you.

I want to listen to your commands.

I want to be obedient.

Like, what?

Huh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

How do you even bring that out and say that?

Skip, you act.

Like, what are you thinking there?

I don't understand that one.

To call out this man accepting this Lord and Savior him checking out

oh yeah

they got he got it he got sound like this sound only person that would say you was checking out if you was doing that would be the devil and you was checking out of hell

you ain't lying debo i don't know how he came up with that one brother that's not a good spot for us i don't think skip i think he kind of just yeah he spoke out of term that's not I don't, that's, that's not what it is.

And then checking out when he's getting baptized, I mean, it's just not

not the right, not the right, not the right words, not the right verbiage, Skip.

Skip must not do nothing before he go to work.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Maybe, maybe.

Who knows?

I don't know.

So I guess New York was involved with the Jared Goff touchdown.

So what happened on that one?

I think this was, they talking about New York called down, brother, and was able to like get in touch with the refs and told them that make it not a touchdown

because of the pre-snap because of the pre-snap because they said you can't go line up under the center or behind the center and then you got to step back and then go in motion.

So they said the play wasn't the right play.

So

that's that's how it went down.

And they're saying now that that's not the league isn't supposed to be able to get in touch with the refs.

That's what I was thinking.

You know what I'm saying?

They said depending on how the play,

the integrity of the game, all of that stuff, the NFA, the league isn't supposed to be able to get in touch with the refs and tell them to switch this call or make this call, whatever it was.

So I think they're saying that because they could, if they can call in and make a call, then they could call in and, you know what I'm saying, switch, switch a little, kind of do whatever they want.

Yeah, that's a little too much.

If you're going to do that, then

you've got to allow it for any and every situation then.

All these tush pushes a review you've seen a review that he was off he went before the ball shouldn't new york call down and say hey

quick though yes don't allow that don't

same thing with what you know with other plays at what point

you know do they say oh well maybe the league is fixed as he's saying you know the league's fixed you know they doing what's necessary to keep the point spread whatever it is and you know you involve gambling like they said,

it gets tricky when you get people

overstepping the boundaries of what the rules of the game say.

Yeah.

So I don't,

yeah, I don't.

Maybe we could have got some, it wouldn't even help us yesterday, bro.

No.

It didn't matter what they did.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

We couldn't have.

That was a solid.

They did.

nothing nothing nothing foggy nothing illegal they just went down there and did exactly what they had to do in between the whistles.

Dude,

we almost came up 500 yards, brother.

Jamar Chase and T.

Higgins had combined for 24 catches for 257 yards and two touchdowns.

Two players, bro.

Two dudes, brother.

That was crazy.

Y'all got to put eyes on that man.

I don't.

Something got to change, bro.

I don't.

Yo, I am so lost.

It was looking wicked.

How, how, how,

dude, how much, how much, how much paper we got over there on defense, bro?

Like, how much did we spend on on that, right?

Like,

170-something mil.

28.

28, 26, 28.

What is we?

What?

Is it we now, or is it just you or us, me?

What is it, Joe?

We, we, we.

I said, but you talking about the Steelers defense, right?

Yeah.

I said 100, and it's like 179 million.

You ain't feeling what I'm feeling.

You, you, you You was more upset when the Browns lost.

This is what I'm trying to tell you, Debo.

I don't feel the equal upsetness.

You're not matching my energy.

Because,

because I know.

Because what?

I know what I'm doing.

No,

I'm both.

I'm both.

I'm a Stillis fan too, but I just know

we got A-Rod.

We got A-Rod.

Defense, we still, it's still Jalen Ramsey there.

It's still Slay.

It's still

Hayward.

It's still Queen.

Well, we're gonna we could just gotta go to the tape, we just gotta watch the tape.

We can't keep letting this happen.

I know we had the talent to make it happen, so that's why I'm not as we don't watch the tape the last six weeks, and it really ain't changed much.

I know, I know, I know, but I think now, Coach, we just we can't, yeah,

we're gonna have to just come up with a better game plan than that.

And no, and we have to win our own individual one-on-ones.

We just gotta win,

win,

win, Yes.

Yes.

Listen.

Do your job.

Do your job.

Make sure your job is done first.

That's all I'm telling you.

Your 1/11th.

Don't.

That's the thing.

People don't even need to worry about their partner yet because they're not doing their job.

Like, if everybody was just doing their job on their man,

and you know what I'm saying, then we'll be the defense will be so much better.

No shit, Joe.

So niggas didn't stop running scot-free.

Bro.

I'm lightweight shaking, bro.

Listen.

All right, look, Debo.

I don't know.

We got some.

You want me to get to the, you want me to give you some super chats?

Do some super chats, man.

Let me do some super chats for you.

All right.

I got some super chat questions.

This is from Grayson Brown, 9778.

He donated and said, why are Roe AFC North teams 2 and 18

in divisional Thursday night football 0-10 in the last 10 games?

Close your mouth asking the question.

We don't want to hear what you're saying.

Pitt is 0-7.

Thursday night football feels rigged.

Well, that wasn't a question.

It was more of a statement.

You think we're letting them rig it so we can lose?

Are you a goofball?

No, bitch.

Who asked that question?

That's Grayson Brown, brother.

Y'all about to make me lose my religion, bro.

Okay.

I'm going to say say something that ain't got to be.

And then we got another one, too, Debo.

Yeah, he's going hard.

Toothball.

Champ.

Champ JR.

Champ JR says, no excuses.

They had a short week, too.

They had a short.

You right.

He did.

But

you right.

We played like trash.

Trash.

We played like trash.

That's what it was.

Trash.

The defense didn't stand, man.

The defense didn't do it.

I'm just trying to grasp to something to give me some hope.

And every time I try to grasp to something to give me some hope, I know good and damn well it's an excuse.

Because just as he said, we all played on Thursday.

We all had a short week.

All that.

Thursday nights away games.

Da da da da.

Bullfraggle rock.

We played like trash.

Yep, that one slip, man.

That one slip.

And they did, and the Bengals did do good.

That pick, buddy had, they played.

They made plays.

They did make plays.

All right.

Another one for you, Debo.

Sully Griffin,

great show today.

Do you stick with Flacco for the rest of the season if you're Cincinnati or save Burrow for next season?

I'll go with Flacco until Burrow gets 100% healthy and then I'm throwing Burrow back in there.

Yeah.

I need Flacco to go and we need to we play them again,

bruh.

Still is, don't let this man do this to y'all again.

Us.

Because Joe ain't with us.

I am definitely with you.

Out, bro.

Go put on your elf costume with the, with the little feet, the browns elf.

Go get where your dog at?

You ain't even got a dog.

I don't even know why I even said that, but I don't know.

It don't matter.

I got a whole Stillis helmet here too, Deborah, you probably go get a dog right now.

I got a

see that, man.

I'm rapping.

All right.

Who else we got?

Yeah, what you got?

What else you got?

Bro, I want to.

What'd my man say?

We got Alexander Gallon.

No more Steelers.

They play 10 defense.

What's that?

I don't know what that means.

No more Steelers.

They play 10 defense.

I don't know.

All right.

Next one.

Okay.

He's saying we play with 10 men on the field.

It damn sure seemed like it.

Damn.

Damn.

What are you saying?

Go ahead, man.

Next one.

Okay.

Lynch Lisa donated $20.

Love you too.

God bless you and family.

Amen.

God bless you too.

Thank you.

Yes.

That's a sweetheart right there.

But I think my man, he must have said some Stillers, they play with, is he stillers play with 10 on defense?

That's crazy work.

Dude, I don't.

Hey,

I don't, I don't know.

No, it would have been worse than that if, I guess, if it was 10, but it would have been.

Listen.

We got to get that.

Yeah, it's like it's run and passed Debo because the man Chase Brown was toting, and then the receivers was catching it, and everybody was kind of open besides them.

First,

series,

the worst team rushing the ball just bopped us.

They did,

they did, they bopped us, they did, Debo.

I'm pissed about six of tote.

I'm pissed about dude.

Almost 10 a tote.

What are we doing?

Getting toted on.

Oh, you think this shit funny?

No, it's not funny.

No, it's not.

It's not funny.

This shit is embarrassing, man.

It's not funny.

Oh, tempoy.

I got to

get a game tonight, right?

And I got to sit there and try and not.

I'm going to bop my son.

listen, somebody got to get it.

Somebody got to get it.

Somebody got to get it tonight, today.

Oh, he said

somebody.

He said he meant like tenfoil.

Tinfoil.

That's what he said.

Oh, okay.

It's the same thing.

We fold it.

What's the difference?

I don't.

Hey,

listen.

I'm going to try and calm down.

I really am.

So,

this is what we go do.

Yes.

Yo, it's something running through my body like it's,

it comes and goes.

It's like just want to just rage.

Oh, yeah.

Hold up.

What do we got, Debo?

Woo!

We trash, bro.

We trash.

Listen, bro.

Y'all want me to come back?

I ain't got nothing left.

I ain't going to lie to you, but

I can't do no worse.

I know you're going to throw your body in there full speed.

That's one thing you're going to do.

You're going to hit somebody.

I don't.

I know one thing I can't help.

I'm not trying to help.

Yo.

Son.

I'm talking to my son.

He ain't even watching this, but

boy,

if y'all let anybody

get 10 total on y'all,

do it.

They trash too, bro.

I know they got Joe Flacco.

Okay.

I understand that.

I understand it.

But

that's one person.

The offensive line couldn't block, couldn't do nothing, but they came out there and dogwalked us.

Bro,

yes.

Joe Flacco was throwing that thing on time.

But that's what happened when 28 go against 32.

Because we down there with the trash, too.

We got to get out of the dumpster.

We got to, bro.

Too many yards.

Too many yards.

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Joe?

Yes, sir.

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