Best of NFL News Part 2: Does Jameis Winston DESERVES start over Russell Wilson? + Shannon Sharpe APOLOGIZES to Daron Payne After Wrongly BLAMING Him for St. Brown Fight

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Speaker 10 Gonna finally get a start. Giants interim head coach Mike Kafka revealed that Jameis Winston,

Speaker 10 Russell Wilson, will start as quarterback in week 11 against the Packers with Jackson Dart on the sideline.

Speaker 10 Man, pass over Russ, who was the start of the season, then went to number two.

Speaker 11 Yes. Dart gets hurt.

Speaker 10 Russ goes to number. He's numbers two still.
Yes. Jameis leapfrogs him.
Ocho,

Speaker 10 what do you think about this?

Speaker 11 I think the coaches, obviously, the interim coaches trying to get a spark out of the offense.

Speaker 11 They've seen enough,

Speaker 11 I'm assuming, from Russell Wilson being the starter when Jackson Dart went in, and then hearing the reaction from the crowd and the offense really not being able to

Speaker 11 get going.

Speaker 11 They want something new. They want to see what

Speaker 11 Jameis Winston.

Speaker 11 can get in there and do and see if they can have you know somewhat of a spark we all know he is one that's liked by everybody and he he can have flashes of brilliance on the field the only thing with jameis winson all we need is a little consistency can we consistency out of you week in and week out and give us a chance listen i think our playoff their playoff chances are probably out the door but can you keep it keep our keep us a keep our team and head above water and let us compete you know until the end of the season well i'm sure jack will come back what maybe what in two weeks uh

Speaker 10 Probably so.

Speaker 10 I mean, he's going to, well, he's out this week.

Speaker 10 Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe they missed, Maybe give him two weeks, Ocho.

Speaker 10 Because, like I said, since the preseason, this is the fourth time.

Speaker 10 We know he's been checked for a concussion.

Speaker 10 Go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 11 So this is Jameson's first time

Speaker 11 getting action during the season.

Speaker 10 Yeah, this is Jameis' first time starting for the Giants.

Speaker 10 He played a little bit. He played, I think, one preseason game.
He played in one preseason game, played really well.

Speaker 10 But like Ocho said, Jameis' problem has always been consistency. Consistency.
Look, he's the number one pick in the draft. He won the Heisman Trophy as a freshman.

Speaker 10 He led his team to a national championship. So we know he has the talent to play, but he's been turnover prone far too much.

Speaker 10 We saw last year he threw for almost 500 yards, but it was the turnovers that really that really cost his team a victory. Right, right.
Tremendous highs. Incredible lows.

Speaker 10 So he just has to find a way to be consistent. And if he can be consistent, that gives him a chance to be successful, and it also gives his chance his team a chance to be successful.
But uh, I'm, I

Speaker 10 want to say I'm surprised, but I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't think I am. I don't think I'm surprised by this move.
Because

Speaker 11 hey, I know one thing, I know one thing about this move, it's gonna be exciting because ain't no telling what the hell is gonna happen. You know, anytime James is in there, ain't no telling.

Speaker 10 And I can't, I can't wait to see five and five, Ocho. Ain't not some way got the five five and five? Yeah, nah.
Five touchdowns, five and a seven.

Speaker 10 And what I was talking about when you left, I said, if he just, if he's just consistent, ocho, the man is the number one pick in the draft for a reason. He won a Heisman trophy.

Speaker 10 Let his team go a national champion.

Speaker 11 You can throw that ball, boy.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 10 You can't turn it over, though, Ocho.

Speaker 10 You're never going to be that great that you can overcome the amount of turnovers that he has. Remember last year, Ocho, what was that? A Thursday night game against the Broncos.

Speaker 10 He threw for damn near 500.

Speaker 10 But but it was the pick six. It was the three turnovers that ended up undoing the great job that he had done.
Remember, Jerry Judy goes back, has 235 yards receiving. He and Jameis was cutting up.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And then Jameis,

Speaker 10 they started housing him. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe,

Speaker 10 the last guy we had on KC Conception, and there are some people in the chat kind of making fun of him. They're like, man, let everybody else talk.
In a situation like that,

Speaker 10 I had already gotten briefed that he has a speech impediment.

Speaker 10 And when he gets nervous or he gets anxious, he stutters, stutters. So that's why you heard him repeat himself a lot.

Speaker 10 But if you notice, Ocho, when we first started, he gave us one-word answers and go.

Speaker 10 And so instead of going, let you ask him something, let Joe ask something, I said, let me get him comfortable.

Speaker 10 Let me get him relaxed. Once he gets relaxed, he'll slow down.
He'll feel more comfortable. Because right every time he talks, he thinks people are judging him.

Speaker 10 So if you think somebody's judging him, what you're going going to do? I'm not going to talk on be recluse.

Speaker 10 I'm going to say as little as possible. Yeah, you're right.
And then he's going to clam up.

Speaker 10 But if you notice, once we got him comfortable, we started talking about cooking, we started talking about things that he likes and he feels comfortable with.

Speaker 10 You see, I open up and you couldn't even tell.

Speaker 10 So that's why I kind of took the approach that I took. And a lot of times, yeah.
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Speaker 10 But in this situation, I i just felt instead of going back ping pong you know tennis and ping pong back and forth

Speaker 10 i just felt let me start it let me get him comfortable somebody that had a speech impediment still talks with a list have a heavy cloakal southern dialect let me make him comfortable and if we can get him comfortable we can get him to open up because it's hard to have an interview if a guy just continuously gives us one-word answers so that's kind of why the approach that we took the approach that we took tonight with this gentleman but he did great look forward for him to coming back and once we started started talking about, hey, he started cooking Valentine's Day.

Speaker 10 And I said, bro, I just hope you got done what you needed to get done before you cooked that.

Speaker 10 You put them heavy potatoes and steak of the system.

Speaker 10 She's going right to sleep.

Speaker 10 But I'm not,

Speaker 10 I can't say that I'm surprised that Jameis is getting the start because you know why?

Speaker 10 Russ is not going to be there next year. They've already seen what Russ can do.

Speaker 10 Let's see if Jameis can give us that spark. Because that's what Jackson Dart did.
Jackson Dart came in and gave him a spark, Ocho.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 Now, let's see. Let's see, because they saw Russ come in and the offense just went in the tank.
The defense went in the tank. Everything just went to hell in a handbasket.

Speaker 10 Listen, let's see if Jameis can give us a spark like he's done so many times before. He did it in New Orleans for a while.
He did it in Cleveland last year. So let's see if he can give us a spark.

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Speaker 10 Ojo, Eagles quarterback Jaihir Alexander has stepped away from football and winning retirement as according to Diana Rossini.

Speaker 10 Alexander is 28 in his eighth professional season and is first away from the Packers, the team that drafted him 18th out of Louisville in 2018. On November 1st, the Ravens traded Alexander

Speaker 10 and a 2027 seventh-round pick to the Eagles for a 2026 sixth round pick. Alexander played just two games for Baltimore before being moved, tallying five tackles.
Ocho,

Speaker 10 what's going on?

Speaker 11 Is it injuries?

Speaker 10 Is it desire?

Speaker 10 What do you think? Combination?

Speaker 11 I don't know.

Speaker 11 I don't know. I'm going to be honest with you.
When it comes to someone

Speaker 11 that I've always enjoyed watching, like Jair Alexander, understanding what he brings to the table as a defender, obviously, I think injuries have hampered his career a little bit.

Speaker 10 It does.

Speaker 11 And kind of derailed everything.

Speaker 11 So I don't know what's going on with him mentally, but it has to be something of that nature because getting the opportunity to play in the NFL and understanding that NFL stands for not for long.

Speaker 11 You only get so much time, you know, and each year is so precious as the years go by.

Speaker 11 It has to be something going wrong there.

Speaker 11 Maybe it's personal, whatever it may be.

Speaker 11 I don't want to speculate. But if he needs to step away from the game to get his mind right, to get his personal issues right, then so be it.
I see see that fit because that does come first.

Speaker 11 Football comes second to whatever you have going on in your life. So I hope he rectifies that situation expeditiously so he can get back on the field and we can get that same J.

Speaker 11 Alexander we once saw down in Green Bay because he's a great talent. He's a great talent and a great fit for where he is now.
So

Speaker 11 I hope he comes back at some point and is able to contribute defensively when those boys make that playoff push. What year? What year? What year is this for him?

Speaker 10 How many years has it it been?

Speaker 11 Eight, eight.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and you know. He's only 28 years of age.

Speaker 11 Hey, DBs play a long time, Joe. They can play a long time.

Speaker 10 If,

Speaker 10 if,

Speaker 10 um, you got to. The thing is, as you start to get older, it's a, it's a mental grind because you know stuff.
I mean, you know, you know, coverages and you know, you know how to study film.

Speaker 10 You understand down and distance. You understand a position on the field.

Speaker 10 You understand, you know, you know, you understand tendencies.

Speaker 10 route combinations, wide receiver, how they line up, Ocho. So you know all of that.

Speaker 10 But boy, this here got to be strong because it gets so monotonous. You hear the same thing.
That's what really, you know, for me, that's what kind of drove me away is that the monotony of it.

Speaker 10 I just could,

Speaker 10 if maybe if I went to a different offense and I had to apply myself, but

Speaker 10 But he's dealing with a knee injury.

Speaker 10 Joe, you know this. Ocho, you ain't never been injured.
So, you know, Joe, you know this.

Speaker 10 When you're injured, there ain't nothing like, there's nothing worse than being injured and trying to go play and then play at a level that people are accustomed to you playing at.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 10 Because if the mind ain't right, the grind can't be tight. You know what I'm saying? Because that's what the NFL, that's what pro sports is.
It's a grind. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And if you hear LeBron, LeBron don't ever say anything about his body. He always talks about his mind.
He said, long as I can keep my mind sharp, I can play 23, 24, 25 seasons.

Speaker 11 Yeah, because them injuries parallel up, bro.

Speaker 11 They parallel. up, and

Speaker 11 you can't go out there and be the person who you

Speaker 11 know you really want to be because of these injuries, these knickknacks that you may have.

Speaker 11 And it hinders your game, man. It hinders your game, and it takes love away.
It takes the love away. It takes the love and passion away.
And that's why a lot of guys retire early or they quit playing.

Speaker 11 It's not that they don't like football or basketball because the grind has become too much.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Especially if you, oh, Joe, if you're an elite player.

Speaker 10 See, if you're if you're a special teams player or a player that, you know,

Speaker 10 you're the fourth corner,

Speaker 10 they ain't no expectations.

Speaker 10 But see, once you're here, like a Penny Hardaway,

Speaker 10 we got, we got Penny up here. Like, man, I can't, man, I can't do this.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 You, you can't. John Alexander was an all-pro.
He's a Pro Bowl player, Ocho. Yeah.
And he got, and I'm like, oh, Joe, something ain't right. I told you, I said, oh, something ain't right.

Speaker 10 You can look at him and tell, I'm like, man, I don't watch this man. I watched this man come into the league.
He's one of the better corners. He looks like a shell of himself.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And when you watch yourself, if you watch yourself on tape, because sometimes you might not know it until you see it. Because we get a lot of times, though, your people, like, I ain't say that.

Speaker 10 I ain't say that.

Speaker 10 Run the tape.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 11 That's me.

Speaker 10 I said that?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 So you don't see yourself play in real time.

Speaker 10 You got to go back and watch the tape and you're looking like.

Speaker 11 Man, film don't lie.

Speaker 10 At all.

Speaker 10 The reason why film don't lie, the film don't know how much money you're making. It don't know if you're black, if you're white, you went to Notre Dame, you went to Savannah State.
That's all it does.

Speaker 10 It captures what it's being focused on. Man, what?

Speaker 10 And you can't, man, I did this, I did that. Let me hit that rewind button.
Yeah, but tell me which one you did.

Speaker 10 Hey, hey.

Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, Joe, what did you say? Oh, Joe, what did you say you did? Okay, here we go. Listen.

Speaker 11 Let's watch it.

Speaker 10 Hey, it ain't nothing worse.

Speaker 11 It ain't nothing worse. And after that game, boy, you get it now and coach got that clicker and he rewinding this same play and you and you like, oh, my God.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 It's not like watching yourself on film, bro. And you look like some slaughter stir-fry out there.

Speaker 10 Yes. Yes.
Nothing like that. Hey, look, I used to be in the game thinking like, well, I cannot look like no trash on film tomorrow.
Said the same thing, Joe. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 10 Ain't gonna miss my assignments. Yeah.

Speaker 10 We gotta win this game. Because if we lose this game, they're gonna show this film.
Lord, please let us. Hey, John, please make a play.
Let us come back.

Speaker 10 Because I don't want nobody to see. Boy,

Speaker 10 I was terrible.

Speaker 10 Hey, Sharp, what'd you do on this play?

Speaker 10 I think I got it. Nothing.

Speaker 10 Nothing. That's what Sharp did on this play.
Absolutely, totally nothing. That's what Sharp did.

Speaker 10 it's uh but but it's tough it's tough when you've been a a really good player for a period of time and then injuries won't allow you to be that yeah yeah yeah people don't know you're injured let me tell you something else they don't give a damn if you're injured all they know is they see they see alexander on the back of that jersey

Speaker 10 They saw Johnson on the back of that jersey. They saw Ocho Sinko on the back of that jersey.
They don't give a damn about you got an ankle or toe or knee or hip or back.

Speaker 10 They give a damn about that you out there i'm expecting you to make the same plays that i've seen you make time and time again for the last five ten years make them now yes sir

Speaker 11 absolutely right

Speaker 10 your teammates have the same expectations

Speaker 10 and they put that your teammates put that pressure on you hey you gonna be you go ahead you be good to go sunday right

Speaker 10 damn dude it's tuesday

Speaker 10 Man, hey, hey, you know, hey. And then the coaches, you know, we're going to put the game plan.
We know we're relying on you because we got you in the game plan.

Speaker 10 Y'all didn't have me in the game plan before I got hurt. Now you got me in the game plan.
Now, Ocho.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Now I'm in the game plan.

Speaker 10 But it is tough. I've been in Jaired's shoes where I've been injured and knowing I'm hurt, but all they see is 84 and they see Sharp on the back of that jersey.

Speaker 11 Yep.

Speaker 10 That's what they see.

Speaker 10 Expectations don't change.

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Speaker 10 Oh, Joe, you're going to like this story. On his way home from blowing out the bills, Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel drove by uh elbow evo elbow room

Speaker 10 elbow room a bar where bills fans congregate when buffalo's in town to troll their fans mcdaniel was asked about it today let's take a listen to what he had to say

Speaker 10 or is that real well you know that's the

Speaker 10 That's why like the good old days, you know, the throwbacks of your where you could trust, you know, the internet and the images because, you know, that is pretty detailed.

Speaker 10 You know, I do live in that area, but I mean

Speaker 10 AI, right?

Speaker 10 So it doesn't answer the question.

Speaker 10 Was that you? So

Speaker 10 confirming or did not? I mean, I live in that area. AI is real.

Speaker 10 That's what I got for you.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 11 I like it. I like it.

Speaker 10 Two things can be true. He can live in that area.

Speaker 10 Well, three things.

Speaker 10 He lives in that area. AI is real.
And that was him.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Hey, which one is it? Do you think it real?

Speaker 10 Hell yeah, it was him. It's video of him.
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Speaker 10 Is that him right there?

Speaker 11 Hey, you heard me? You got it. Hey, listen, I'm looking at it.
You got to be careful, though, because you know AI don't play.

Speaker 10 Is that

Speaker 10 Ocho?

Speaker 10 So, so AI put him in a Bentley. They could have put him in any other car.

Speaker 11 No, that's a Benz. He driving Benz.

Speaker 10 It's a Bentley.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 they ain't put him in no Hyundai. They ain't put him in no Subaru.
They ain't put him in nothing. They put him in that.
Is that him? Who is that?

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 that's funny, though. That's funny.
That's funny.

Speaker 11 I like Mike McDaniel, man.

Speaker 10 You beat a team for the first time in seven meetings. It's your first time beating them since 2022.

Speaker 11 Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 And that's what you got.

Speaker 10 What's the Dolphins record?

Speaker 11 Have a little fun, huh?

Speaker 10 They're three and seven.

Speaker 11 Have a little fun.

Speaker 11 Hey, wait a minute.

Speaker 11 He's just driving by. That's all.

Speaker 10 First of all, I don't know many, most people that are famous, they ain't got their window down so you can see them.

Speaker 11 Oh, this is Miami. I know what it is.

Speaker 10 I know where he's at. Let me ask you.

Speaker 11 Hey, listen. Hey, down here in Miami, even the locals are famous.
You hear me?

Speaker 10 Hey,

Speaker 10 schedule. Pull up

Speaker 10 their first 10 games.

Speaker 11 I got some coffee, Uncle. I hit a wall.
I got some coffee. Now, my baby, my baby, done sent me some coffee.
We could be on this bitch at three o'clock in the morning. Now, I'm ready.

Speaker 10 We got, uh, we we pull up, we pull up, we pulling,

Speaker 10 uh, we pull up the schedule because I want to know.

Speaker 11 I'll tell you what, I'll tell you one thing.

Speaker 11 I can tell you one thing about this schedule, you're getting ready to pull up. If the Dolphins play like they played against the goddamn Bills, we'll run the goddamn Bills.

Speaker 10 I'll tell you that.

Speaker 11 And I'm very confident with that. I'm very confident.

Speaker 10 So let me ask you this.

Speaker 10 When they lost 33 to 8 to the Colts, he lived in that area. Did he ride through with the window down?

Speaker 10 I would do you like Jasmine Crockett did. It's a yes or no.
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Speaker 10 Did he ride by slow with the window down with his arm out the window?

Speaker 11 Well, it was hard to because it was a KD.

Speaker 10 When they lost to the Patriots at home, 33-7, 33-27, did he do that then?

Speaker 11 Uh-huh.

Speaker 11 Now, that he didn't do it. He didn't do it then?

Speaker 10 Yeah, he didn't do it that game. Oh, so what about the Chargers?

Speaker 11 Oh, that was another one. Did he do it then?

Speaker 11 No, he had to go the other way.

Speaker 10 Oh, okay. So he moved.
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Speaker 11 Yeah, he got that lady.

Speaker 10 Okay, let me ask you a question. I get it.

Speaker 10 when they lost 28 to 6 to miami

Speaker 10 did i mean did he drive slow homie did he pull a paw wall did he drive slow homie

Speaker 11 or did he pull a wheel spill you know summertime two miles an hour so everybody sees you so much summer summertime hey that's the throwback what you know about that I'm gonna sit back and unwind.

Speaker 10 No, I think, but that's a real, that's not his original. I think that's a, uh i think the isley brothers or somebody did that was the original isley brothers or

Speaker 10 they got the original they got the they got the uh original earthwind and fire did the uh

Speaker 10 might have been earthwind and fire

Speaker 10 oh my god

Speaker 10 that was

Speaker 10 even coaches done got to be petty now because hold on I think

Speaker 10 didn't Sean Payton have to have the bus drive through the city? Because that used to be a thing to have the bus driver drive through this drive around the stadium

Speaker 11 for real

Speaker 11 yeah

Speaker 11 hey that's funny yeah

Speaker 11 and you know what you know what i do like you don't you don't you don't really get this from coaches sometimes i think

Speaker 10 players

Speaker 11 hey i know i know his players love this hey i noticed

Speaker 10 what was it broad street playing rocky

Speaker 11 yeah Sean Payton got that kind of personality too.

Speaker 10 Man,

Speaker 10 see, this is our kind of stuff I would like, like we beat somebody, but you got to be careful, man. You know how I think, like,

Speaker 10 you play the Raiders back when the Raiders was in Oakland?

Speaker 11 Oh, no, you ain't doing that.

Speaker 10 Or when you played them in the Coliseum, these to be the bad people. No, no.

Speaker 10 When they tear your ass up.

Speaker 10 They throw a whole car battery through that window. Hold on.

Speaker 11 Hey, hold on. Without thinking twice.

Speaker 10 Oh, it's cool in the game. Somebody said it's cool in the game.

Speaker 10 I think it's called Summer Madness. Yeah, it's cool in the game.
That was cool in the game. Yeah, cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Ocho, contrary to what you think, a lot of these songs that's being played that you really, really love is

Speaker 11 re coming from somewhere saying samples. Okay.

Speaker 10 But now, look,

Speaker 10 80, and it's matted.

Speaker 10 So, A, I'll put you in a

Speaker 10 Matted bitley.

Speaker 10 They ain't making regular black, white, blue, ocho. They got it matted.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 11 Oh, my God. Hold on.
I need, let me grab my sugar.

Speaker 10 Man.

Speaker 10 Mike said, hey, look, I'm preferred to have me some fun.

Speaker 10 We finally got a win after. Hold on, how many losses? We finally got a win.

Speaker 10 Well, this is a one, two, three.

Speaker 10 They had lost four of the last five.

Speaker 10 So, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 10 we had to stun on them

Speaker 10 but hey

Speaker 10 gotta try to have some fun they gotta they got a big game what they have spain they play don't they play the they play the commanders right they play the commanders in spain so

Speaker 11 oh yeah i i beat up my i leave uh my flight at eight eight in the morning

Speaker 11 hey um hey what's what's

Speaker 11 what's splendid splendor you ever heard of that yeah most people have

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 it's a substitute. Wow, what's up? What's going on?

Speaker 11 Nothing. I got my coffee, but they sent my coffee without

Speaker 11 putting sugar. I ain't never seen no splinter before.
Most of the time, I just get brown sugar, white sugar.

Speaker 10 You put brown sugar. You just say splitter.

Speaker 11 Yeah, what? You know, caffeine con leche, latte?

Speaker 10 Okay, sure. Yeah.
You say so.

Speaker 10 So you ain't got no problem. You ain't got no problem with this.

Speaker 11 Oh, hell, no.

Speaker 11 You know, I'm, you know, I'm petty. I'm petty anyway.

Speaker 10 You know, I'm petty.

Speaker 11 Even after winning, even listen, and people, people say, oh, y'all got to lose a record. Well, we didn't lose a night, so I'm going to have some fun.

Speaker 11 We didn't lose a night.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 Mike McDaniel has a personality to be able to get away with it.

Speaker 10 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 We got new video has emerged. Wait, what happened? Derek Deron Payne punching Amon Ross St.
Brown. Okay.

Speaker 10 After this video,

Speaker 10 we're going to watch it. We can't show the video.

Speaker 10 I'm a firm believer, guy. Y'all know who I am.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I was the strongest

Speaker 10 and what I thought Deron Payne did was absolutely wrong. Deron Payne reached out to me today on DM, and he was very, very respectful.

Speaker 10 And I'm not going to get to the specifics, but basically he was saying, OG, I appreciate you. I love the way you played the game.
Everything that you was able to accomplish. You were great.

Speaker 10 He said, but I didn't unprompt, just unload on, oh, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he sent me the video.

Speaker 10 Since I was the strongest in

Speaker 10 my critique of Deron Payne, let me be the loudest and say, bro, I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 I'm sorry for... judging you without knowing all the facts because all I know is what what was shown.

Speaker 10 Amon Ross St. Brown absolutely hit this man unprompted.
They were in a little shoving back and forth. And then he got a little quick within OJo.
You know how we do a little thing right there.

Speaker 10 We look like nobody looking. Ah.

Speaker 11 Hey, Uncle Lila Chicken Wing. He gets hit a little bit.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 10 Javon Kidlaw, I owe you an apology too because you said he did hit Deron Payne first. And we didn't, I didn't believe you.
So I want to apologize to you. But the biggest apology goes to Deron Payne.

Speaker 10 And I'm glad you did it because, like my grandma used to say, I might not break i might not stop you but i damn sure break you the habit i guarantee you armin ross saint brown was dead ass wrong deron payne you should have see you don't get to do something to somebody and didn't talk about that was an overreaction keep your hands to yourself you said he told now this is what armin ross st brown said sunday and monday

Speaker 10 before the video surfaced and say, yeah, he hit him. Because now he don't have a leg to stand on, Ocho and Joe.
He said, you know, back and forth.

Speaker 10 He didn't say nothing too crazy, but he never mentioned the part that he hit Deron Payne in the face first. That never came out of his mouth.
Right. Deron Payne,

Speaker 10 I'm sorry, bro. I am so sorry as a man.
I'm never, and I've told you guys, y'all heard me say this on Undisputed. I'm never going to be too big to say, I'm sorry.
I'm never going to be too prideful.

Speaker 10 I'm never going to be too wealthy. I'm never going to be anything where I can't say, I'm sorry, I was wrong.
Deron Payne, I was wrong.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey, you should have caught, you should, I wish you would have knocked his ass out.

Speaker 11 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Nope.

Speaker 10 Hey, no, no. Keep your hands.
Keep your hands to yourself.

Speaker 10 Your grandma told you that. Your mom told you that.
Joe, I know you heard it because

Speaker 10 you from the South.

Speaker 10 But people don't really look at Miami like the South. Like we look at, like,

Speaker 10 we look at Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, all those states. Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 11 I understand. You're supposed to keep your hands to yourself.
I understand.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 10 So what punishment? What punishment? Before you go, Ocho, can I ask the NFL, what punishment are y'all going to levy against Amon Ross St. Brown?

Speaker 11 I don't know. I don't know.
But listen, you know the rules. You know the rules.
And they talk about it in meetings. Before season starts about getting angry.

Speaker 11 They always see the second person that throws a punch. They always see the second person that shoves every time.
So I'm the Ron Brown is playing a game within the game, understanding, well, hello,

Speaker 11 I'm going to chicken wean him, you know, and see if I can get him in trouble real quick. And it worked.

Speaker 11 It worked. And he lost his temper, you know? That's the game within the game.
How can I get under somebody's skin to give my team an advantage? Now, it was wrong. Yes, it was wrong.
It was wrong.

Speaker 11 I'd be the first to say it. But, you know,

Speaker 11 it's tricks of the trade. Now, you say you should have knocked him out.
Now, I don't think that would have happened because they would have had to jump Deron. Now, we don't want that to happen now.

Speaker 10 They want to jump. You see, you say nobody grabbing when he slapped five from him.
And the official standing right there. Because, Ocho, here's the thing: you're absolutely right.

Speaker 10 The maybe, let's just say, for the sake of argument, Joe and Ocho, the official didn't see it.

Speaker 10 But just like they replayed it and saw what Deron Payne did, I guarantee you they replayed it and saw what Armin Ross St. Brown did.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey, so did they, did they find or suspend uh deron paying they suspended him for one game without pay uh-huh so they so now that they go back and look at the tape what's gonna happen to armon st brown i don't know but something a fine should be levied keep your hands and your feet to yourself if you blocking me i get that

Speaker 10 you pancake me and stepping my chest i get that but keep your hands to yourself Yeah, especially on that football field, because I can do anything I want to, and it's not a crime.

Speaker 10 They might suspend me, they might throw a penalty, but it's not a crime. Keep your hands to yourself.
I don't know what possessed him to do what he did.

Speaker 10 That's a grown man. I don't know if Deron Payne has a wife.
I don't know if he has kids or anything. But keep your hand, my grandma used to always say, Boy, keep your hands and your feet to yourself.

Speaker 10 She said, Boy, if somebody put their hands or their feet on him, you do everything you can to try to break them.

Speaker 11 See, hey, you heard what you just said, right?

Speaker 11 Huh? Hey,

Speaker 11 hey, Joe, I told you that story.

Speaker 11 I told you that story where Ray knocked my helmet off and he in the park.

Speaker 11 Hey, hey, boy, you laughing, Joe. Joe, boy, I was in the locker room looking for Ray, boy, and we weren't even playing at home.
We were playing it.

Speaker 10 That was two weeks later. You were unconscious.
You don't even remember when y'all were out in the locker room.

Speaker 10 Y'all was playing the Bills. Ray played for the Ravens.

Speaker 10 Where's Sugar?

Speaker 11 Hey.

Speaker 10 Hey, hey,

Speaker 10 I was looking for sugar after that game.

Speaker 11 I'm telling you. like, hold on, Joe, I was upset, right? And I'm thinking to myself, hold on.
Now, me and Ray, we pray before the game.

Speaker 11 We go over a scripture before every game, whether we played each other or not, you know? Right.

Speaker 10 We like this.

Speaker 11 Your man 100 grand. Yeah, we don't say it a prayer before the game.
And we get in the game. We get in the game.
And now you act like you don't know me. You know me, but we pray.

Speaker 11 And you just try to knock my helmet off. Hold on, my helmet went flying by 30 yards, Joe.

Speaker 11 I say,

Speaker 11 hey, look, Ocho, you know, in between them lines, man. Ain't no friend.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Listen, I ain't. You probably pray.

Speaker 10 He don't really knock you out.

Speaker 10 Hey. But you got to realize, them guys, defensive players go to a different place, man.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Hey, I was in a different place after the game because I was in y'all locker room.

Speaker 10 Security had to be. You went about like that long ago.
Yeah,

Speaker 11 Joe, they had to come get me out of the locker room. Joe, boy, I'm from the wolf on him.
If you hit me, well, you don't that you don't do nothing like that.

Speaker 11 But if if we do, Joe, you can't sit there and say a prayer with me we can't read the scripture and then you go out there and try to kill me on the field

Speaker 10 do that now he was saying lord forgive me what i'm about to do to ocho lord i know i've come a long way and i'm trying to do better in my life but any sins that i commit on this field today please forgive them oh man

Speaker 11 i mean hey joe and the funny thing about it joe is When people ask me who was your favorite team to go against,

Speaker 11 it was always the Ravens and the steelers joe because one thing about it i call it a two tin strap game joe you had that you got you had to bring tooth chin strap to that goddamn game joe hey you had to get some sleep the night before they gained you

Speaker 11 hey it was joe it was hell

Speaker 11 it was hell and i i enjoyed it because you had no choice but to raise your level of play you had no choice but to raise your level play and then you got my crazy ass who talk during the week and give everybody bulletin board material on purpose you know so i mean dog dog that was some of the some of the some of the the joyous times for me during them days on man i i loved it man i loved it i love ray right i mean still to this day man that just being able to being able to see and stay in contact that's why i like social media so much most of the time like you know back in your days you kind of lose touch with everybody unless you go to a certain event

Speaker 11 you meet up they make it so much easy joe man it just i don't know

Speaker 10 so i don't know if deron paint deron i don't know if you're watching this but i hope you get this I hope you hear it for yourself.

Speaker 10 But if somebody, if you don't hear it for yourself, hopefully someone close to you, a family, friend, or loved one, gets you this and let them and tell you Shannon Sharp

Speaker 10 did indeed apologize because you were not wrong.

Speaker 10 You were wrong for getting caught. You weren't wrong for what you did because everybody keep their hand.
You regrown out here. Ain't nobody,

Speaker 10 to my knowledge, I'm in Ross St. Brown ain't got no kids.
And he damn sure ain't got no kids 30, 31 years of age. Keep your hands to yourself.
Treat it like the zoo.

Speaker 10 What they tell you, oh, Joe, when you go to the zoo, keep your hands.

Speaker 11 Hold on. And the museum.

Speaker 11 Don't touch nothing. I tell him again.

Speaker 10 As a matter of fact, unless you catch the pass or block it, keep your damn hands in your pocket. Get one of the little fanny pairs, what the

Speaker 10 muffs. And put your hand, Walmart, and keep your hands in your pocket.
You walk by?

Speaker 10 Because I'm telling you, he did right. Oh, Joe.
But see, the problem that I have is that he lied. and he had everybody believing that he did absolutely nothing until he got caught.

Speaker 10 And then I think it was today, he's like, yeah, I kind of nudged him. It don't matter.
You don't get, hold on. You step on my foot.
I say, ow, I ain't even really step on your foot that hard.

Speaker 10 You don't get to tell me how hard you stepped on my foot. That's my foot.

Speaker 10 These feet made for me to walk on, not you to walk on them.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Deron Payne, I'm sorry.
Javon Kenlaw, I'm sorry because you you also came out and said that he did hit him first. I said, man, that man ain't hit that man first.

Speaker 10 Ocho, yes, Ocho, what likelihood of a wide receiver going around Sluck? And he did it. It don't matter how hard it was.

Speaker 10 It was the mere fact that you did something that you didn't have no business doing, and then he knocked fire from you. And you're talking about, oh,

Speaker 10 you know, no, no, Deron, I'm sorry. And they should give you your money back.

Speaker 10 Yeah. But I guarantee you, I bet he won't hit another D-lineman in the face.
What you want to bet, Ocho?

Speaker 11 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 11 Hey, one thing about us receives, we're the most dominant position on the field. You know, whether we got the ball in our hands or not.

Speaker 11 I don't know if anybody.

Speaker 10 There's a saying that says, Ocho,

Speaker 10 a lesson with a consequence, an action without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

Speaker 10 Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 10 An action without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Nah,

Speaker 10 I'm not far from it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, the NFL is going to come down with something on St. Brown.
Nah, no, they're not. No, they're not.

Speaker 10 Man, please.

Speaker 11 No, they're not. Hey, listen.

Speaker 11 The NFL is already handicapped. The NFL has already handicapped the game a lot.

Speaker 11 They've already taken some of the

Speaker 11 words. Some of the words.
Some of the character. You know, some of the character away from the game and

Speaker 11 what made it fun, what made it exciting. Now, before I keep going, I need you to give me that line one more time.

Speaker 10 In actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

Speaker 11 Hey, Joe, that's a good one, Joe. I'm going to use that one in my name.

Speaker 10 Boy, Deron Payne, you did right. You should have hit him so hard in the top of his head, he peeped out his ribs and thought he was in jail.
Hey,

Speaker 10 you did right. You ain't.

Speaker 10 I ain't getting you no more with Joe. I'm done for tonight.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 11 Hey, hey, bring that back one more time. I don't like a DJ.

Speaker 10 I say Deron Payne should have hit him so hard in the top of his head, he peep out his ribs and think he's in jail. But then you, you got it, though.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 I might not stop that act, but I bet I break you the habit.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 Who the hell was that?

Speaker 11 You done dropped two gems early, but the show just started. Hey, hold on.

Speaker 11 Okay, Ocho.

Speaker 11 He got up under that helmet, too.

Speaker 10 Did you see how far he swung back?

Speaker 11 Yes, sir.

Speaker 10 He swung back from Prince George.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he got up under there.

Speaker 10 That's what, oh, Joe. That's, hey, Joe, that's one of them old, that one of them old cartoon slaps.

Speaker 10 You watch a Saturday cartoon? Yeah,

Speaker 11 man, he was pissed off.

Speaker 10 He couldn't help it.

Speaker 10 Absolutely. Absolutely.
So

Speaker 10 I don't have any problems. After seeing the video, after having him explain what happened, and he said, oh, gee,

Speaker 10 I ain't just swing on no boy he did what he did sent me the video i tapped on it looking at it they look hand fighting and then he tried to get a quick one in yeah look hey little chicken wang i know what he's talking about i used to i used to do it too

Speaker 10 And as at a press conference from Michael Pennix Jr. is gone viral, Ocho.
Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 16 Uh-oh. Like mentally, like my fiancé, she's always there for me.

Speaker 16 So I know whenever I get home, it doesn't matter how I played. She's always going to be there for me.
She's going to have a smile on her face and give me a hug and make me feel

Speaker 16 good no matter what.

Speaker 16 But as far as, you know, as far as like physically the on-the-field stuff,

Speaker 16 it's not nobody that I I'll talk to like as far as another quarterback or anything like that. You know, I do have people reach out to me.
I do have quarterback coaches though back at home

Speaker 16 that reach out to me as well, you know, tell me, hey, like, you need to clean this up, clean that up, you know, and everything will be good so uh those those guys helped me as far as that too so i can shout out them

Speaker 11 you know you know what i i would love to hear the question that was asked i would love to hear the question that was asked for better context because i'm sure he has quarterback coaches on the sideline he had he has yeah

Speaker 11 he has quarterback coaches on the sideline and i'm sure they're talking about the totality of after a game on what it looked like.

Speaker 11 I think that that has to be the context of the question because bringing up your fiancé fiancé and no matter how i played when i come home that ain't it you know she's there for me no am i am i wrong

Speaker 10 am i wrong if i'm wrong let me know what what do you say what are you saying about his fiancé

Speaker 11 oh how how how she said no matter how i played that she's always there for me when i come when i come home Always smiling. But if anything, what's the first thing your fiancé is about to say? Oh, no.

Speaker 11 Oh, no, honey. You ain't finna embarrass me like that.

Speaker 10 It's supposed to be tough. No, you laughing.

Speaker 11 It's supposed to be tough love. It got, if you play bad, she's supposed to be the first one.
Baby, come on, come on, come on, come on, MP. Come on, don't do that.

Speaker 11 Now you know you can play better than that. You know, you have, hey, your uncle, no, don't, don't, don't have one of them wives that know how to break down, that understand the game.

Speaker 11 It can break it down for you. Oh, my goodness.
That now you coming home to something like that? Not that old, oh, baby, you played bad. It's okay.
No, honey, it's not okay.

Speaker 11 You can't embarrass the family like that you can't do that you can't embarrass the pennic's last name like that now i'm i'm just i'm you i'm just throwing out hypotheticals you know not you coming home and the wife no matter how you play oh it's okay no it's you know tough love is okay sometimes exactly and the best person to hear tough love from is the one closest to you yes

Speaker 10 uh i'm so

Speaker 10 so they ask him what coaches that he does he rely on

Speaker 10 lean on okay

Speaker 11 Okay, okay.

Speaker 10 Yeah, like, who did he, like, okay, Ocho, you're going through a tough time. Is there somebody that you lean on?

Speaker 11 Okay, boom. I like that.
I like that question. Because the first thing, the coaches I would lean on, most of the time, it wouldn't be my coaches in Cincinnati.

Speaker 11 If things aren't going right and there's someone I need to lean on, now in game,

Speaker 11 Hugh Jackson. In game.

Speaker 11 you know alex wood you know some of those coaches that day but if something's going right and i need i need to go back to the foundation on how it was built charles Collins, 1997, when it all started at Santa Monica College, running the sand dunes, the Manhattan Sand dunes back in the day.

Speaker 11 Like,

Speaker 11 that's what I'm leaning on, huh? That's what I'm going to. That's why when Michael Pinnock said, he mentioned coaches that, okay, with that question, that's what I'm leaning on.

Speaker 11 I'm going back where it all started. Hey, Coach C, man, what you see? I don't know what's going on.
You know, I'm doing it. Am I rushing? I'm just whatever it may be.
Because

Speaker 11 he can see it from a different point of view than I can. He can see it from a different point of view view than my coaches do.
Come on coaches, they see X's and O's.

Speaker 11 Coach C can see something they don't see, even though they're my receiver coaches.

Speaker 10 And guess what? Coach C, looking out for you. That receiver coach got five other guys, six other guys that he got to coach.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah. And the conversation would be.
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 They viewing me in a different lens than what he's seeing.

Speaker 10 That is correct.

Speaker 10 So I think people are like, no, that's not what NFL coaches are there. You're You're not going to be able to rely on your coaches.
So I know y'all was surprised that he said that. Well, he can't go.

Speaker 10 Nope.

Speaker 10 Nope.

Speaker 10 Raheem got 50 guys, 60 guys he got to worry about.

Speaker 10 That quarterback got that quarterback coach got every. Ain't nobody holding your hand in the NFL.

Speaker 10 They're not. So I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 I don't want to come off as callous. I don't want to come off as not being empathetic.
But I'm just telling you the sports business. This is a grown man's business.

Speaker 10 You get paid a King's Ransom to play a kid's game. They're not holding your hand.
So I understand what he's saying that when you need somebody to lean on.

Speaker 10 I'm calling my former coach. I'm going to call my brother.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10 What do you see?

Speaker 10 Am I missing something? I feel I'm leaving plays out there, but I don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 10 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10 Hey, send me a copy.

Speaker 10 Let me look at your practice.

Speaker 10 Let me see what you look like in the game. Send me the game cut up.
Send me practice. Let me see.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 So,

Speaker 10 this is the cold, harsh world. This has always been like this.
And I think the thing is that this new generation, they think like it's high school. They're like, come on, son.

Speaker 10 And the coach take you out to eat and put his arm around you.

Speaker 11 Oh, no, ain't none of that. Ain't none of that.
Because listen, that right there,

Speaker 11 you'll lose your job.

Speaker 11 You'll lose your job. Players get coaches fired.
So if you're not playing up the par, depending on who you are, depending on what round you went in, you know, depending on how much you're making,

Speaker 11 ain't no coddling, huh? Ain't no coddling in the NFL.

Speaker 11 Boy,

Speaker 11 this is business. These are X's and O's.
We going over X's and O's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday. We expect you to execute those X's and O's.

Speaker 10 Somebody said, he was your first-round pick. You don't want him to succeed.
How many first-round picks you think Atlanta got on their roster?

Speaker 10 So I guess they're supposed to take them all out for brunch and breakfast, huh?

Speaker 11 It don't work like that.

Speaker 10 This is a different generation, Ocho, because this house always been. Because here's the thing.
This is why in the military, there's supposed to be no fraternizing or higher up than subordinates.

Speaker 10 Because there are going to be certain times that you're going to have to be like, you know, like what David did, and he put Bathsheba Husband in the front.

Speaker 10 But that was for a whole different reason because it clouds your judgment.

Speaker 10 So you got to be careful when you coddle a certain player because it's going to make it much more difficult to get off said player if and when you need to.

Speaker 10 That's why

Speaker 10 Coach Belichick has been imposed everybody. It was nothing for him to get off a player.
You know, coaches tell you that a lot all the time. Well, the most difficult thing it is to do is cut a player.

Speaker 10 No, it ain't. You built up so much callousness.

Speaker 10 You're numb to it.

Speaker 10 If you're a coach of 15 years old and you got to cut 20 players a year for 15 years

Speaker 11 they're numb to it now they pretend they they they pretend about it the the conversations they have for you when they ask you when they get that knock on your door

Speaker 11 bring your playbook coach want to see you man they got everything

Speaker 10 they probably said they probably they probably say the same thing everybody else the only thing they do they do different is they change the first name when they greet you and let you know yes this is tough to see everything you got to do just the worst part of my job no it you you were really easy uh but you know what i'm saying i'm just being real you know this is the tough part of my job that nobody likes to do they sit in their chair like this hey come on in how you doing son

Speaker 10 yeah

Speaker 10 yeah you know you just got caught up in the oh joe you know they sit back you just got caught up in the numbers game it's just one of those i did it that numbers game

Speaker 10 There's a possibility that we might now with the situation bring you back we might bring you back for the practice squad But we're gonna give you an opportunity to go out there and see what's out out there.

Speaker 10 And, you know,

Speaker 10 I'm just telling you how it is.

Speaker 10 I'm just being all the way honest with you. Yeah.
And

Speaker 10 because a lot of times, you know, everybody has those aspirations. You don't go to the NFL and say, well, if I get cut, it's okay.
No, it hurts. Because for a lot of these guys, this is the end.

Speaker 10 Of something that they've been doing since they were seven, eight, nine, 10, 11 years old.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 the end is never easy. Oh, y'all, a good movie.
Man, you don't want to, you don't want a good movie to go out and be like, damn, that's it?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10 Damn.

Speaker 10 It's

Speaker 10 tough.

Speaker 10 And having gone through that, that's something that you didn't have to worry about being a second-round pick, that I had to worry about being a seventh-round pick. And

Speaker 10 I remember like yesterday because we were standing at the Clarion Hotel

Speaker 10 out by Centennial Airport. That's where all the private planes come in at Centennial.
And we were standing at the Clarion, and I'll never ever forget the phone rang.

Speaker 10 So, you know, Ocho, we got two rooms, one phone.

Speaker 10 Me, I ain't answering. Like, they don't know, like, they can't come over there and knock on the door and say, hey, hey,

Speaker 10 uh, Coach Reese wants to see you.

Speaker 10 Right. And I remember, uh, um,

Speaker 10 phone rang.

Speaker 10 The phone rang about three or four times. I'm like, they know we're in here, OJo.
I'm like, where are we going?

Speaker 11 Hey, you ain't picking up?

Speaker 10 Nah, you gotta come. You gotta come fast.
I pick up no phone. Dah, how would you give, give me bad news face to face?

Speaker 10 Right. My roommate picked it up.

Speaker 10 After a while, I see my door open.

Speaker 10 They got your boy, man. I say, damn.

Speaker 10 Man, I'm sorry to hear that, bro.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, man, hey.

Speaker 10 But you keep going. That's a man, you name.

Speaker 10 As a matter of fact, we still, I hadn't talked to him. I mean, I talked to him from time to time.

Speaker 10 Right. He came to see me play in Denver.
He came to see, he came back to see me play in Denver. He came to see me play in Baltimore.
He came to the hall.

Speaker 10 We remained, hey, we still cool.

Speaker 10 B-Mac. He'll tell you, he called me, he's still the only one that really called me double-S.
But it was tough because, you know, I was talking about, man, what I wanted to do and X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 10 But you know what, Ocho? I had at that time, I had a Mercedes. My brother said, nah.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Lead the car home. Don't know, but hey, don't tell nobody you got it.
Don't tell nobody nothing. You going up there, you trying to make a team.
You ain't got no car. Right.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 10 But it's, it's, it's, it's real. Ain't nobody, ain't no baby.

Speaker 10 Man, you remember I told you I had that thigh bruise? I had a hole in my thigh, in my quad.

Speaker 10 They don't care nothing about that.

Speaker 10 They're trying to find the best 53 damn players they can possibly find to make this team.

Speaker 10 And the more you can do, the better your chances are. The better.
Oh, you're not a starter? You're not the starting level, starting defense. Or how many special teams can you play? Put me on point.

Speaker 10 Kick, return. I can play four to five.
All of them. All of them.
Well, four to six. I can't play on PAT and I can't play PAT block or field goal block, but I can get you four of them.

Speaker 10 You ever tackled anybody?

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 I'll play.

Speaker 10 I hadn't tackled anybody since high school. Well, interception, but I played defense at high school.

Speaker 10 Son, you got to be tough to play. You got to play, be tough.
Bro, I'll try to make a squad. Tell me what you need me to do.

Speaker 10 Tell me what my job is. Tell me what my responsibility is.
Once you tell me my responsibility, oh, I'm going to carry that out.

Speaker 10 My brother used to tell me all the time, he said, bro, you do everything that you do better than anybody else do what they do, and you'll be fine.

Speaker 10 So that was my singular focus, Ocho. I'm going to do what I do better than anybody else do what they do.

Speaker 11 Hey, that's all it comes down to.

Speaker 10 That's all it comes down to.

Speaker 10 But I lost, Ocho, I had lost contact with him for like,

Speaker 10 man, for like eight, for like eight years.

Speaker 10 And then all of a sudden,

Speaker 10 he called the Broncos.

Speaker 10 They say some guy named Brian, Brian McFatter, he tried to get in touch with me. I say, oh, B-Mac, yeah.
I called him. I said, man, what the hell you being?

Speaker 10 You know, he went back and finished up school.

Speaker 10 And, you know, we stayed in contact and we lost contact again. He hit me up.

Speaker 10 I think he called the Ravens. It's like a Brian McFatter.

Speaker 10 I said, yeah.

Speaker 10 So I hit him up, brought him out to B-more.

Speaker 10 And, you know, then when I went to the hall, I said, hey,

Speaker 10 Jim Sakamano, who was, he's like, anybody that you need me to find.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 him, he found him and found a couple of guys that I was trying to get in touch with. For the most part, the guys that came out, you know, I still knew who they were.

Speaker 10 I tried to get in touch with David Lewis, but I couldn't find him because he was the guy that made me who I am. But guys, this is different.
This is the NFL.

Speaker 10 This ain't high school where the coach is going to take your ass in.

Speaker 10 Or this is college where they they get that ain't what they do at this level i'm telling you i ain't telling what somebody told me i'm telling you what i know

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