Nightcap Hour 1: Justin Fields is NOT THE ANSWER + Patriots DYNASTY is BACK with Vabrel + Lamar Jackson RANKED as OVERRATED

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Speaker 11 With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Ocho,

Speaker 11 the Patriots looked awful impressive. They beat the Jets

Speaker 11 27-14.

Speaker 11 I don't know. They looked impressive.
The Jets aren't good, but the Patriots look good. I mean, those first couple of drives, Drake May was Brady-esque.
I'm talking about Chris. Yes, he was nice.

Speaker 11 Stephon Diggs

Speaker 11 reinvigorated. He looks good.
Trayvion Henderson is running extremely hard.

Speaker 11 Two touchdowns on the ground, one in the air. Drake May, 25 of 34, 281, one touchdowns.
I thought overall, I thought they played well.

Speaker 11 But

Speaker 11 whoo,

Speaker 11 let's, before we get to the jets, let's highlight the Patriots, Ocho.

Speaker 12 Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 11 Mike Rabel has done an unbelievable job. You go.
I'm gonna let you go ahead and go.

Speaker 12 Hell of a job. Hell of a job.
Listen, Mike Rabel, I'm not sure what he did once he got there, but he's done one hell of a job.

Speaker 12 Obviously, it makes things much easier when you have a quarterback that's playing out his mind and only his second year in Drake May,

Speaker 12 in the division, they 3-0. Obviously, the talk has always been the Super, they're supposed to go to the Super Bowl, this is their year.
The Buffalo Bills, they're 2-2 in the division.

Speaker 12 The goddamn, the Patriots have dominated all season long. Being 9-2, this is something I wasn't expecting being the fan of the game of football that I am.
I didn't think they would be this good.

Speaker 12 They have been really, really well. And because of the quarterback play, obviously the supporting cast, the defense has played well.
Stephon Diggs is playing out his mind, Unk.

Speaker 12 He's playing out his mind.

Speaker 12 He's been playing very, very good football matt collins out there making plays douglas doing well it doing well as well and trayvon hint is it is it trayvon henderson am i saying it right trayvon henderson traybion man listen but young bull nice boy young young bull is really

Speaker 12 young bull real nice hey hey he's one of the few running backs too onk on the on the on the on the field that can hit his head off the goalpost oh he got speed to play with okay he got he got speed he got speed to burn so man they look really good they look really good tonight man and on defense hey, that guy, hey,

Speaker 12 that guy damn Christian Gonzalez,

Speaker 11 hey, he nice. Oh,

Speaker 11 he's fluid.

Speaker 12 Hey, listen, he's nice. He needs, I know he's been injured a little bit, but he needs to be in the conversation of top five DBs, especially.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, yeah, he is. I mean, you know, PS,

Speaker 11 PS2, Stingley Jr., him.

Speaker 11 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 11 those are your top.

Speaker 11 I guess people like JC Horn. Some people like JC Horn.
But

Speaker 11 I think Gonzalez, I think PS2, and I think

Speaker 11 Stingley Jr. I think those are the top three corners in my book because they all present

Speaker 11 very different. Now Gonzalez and PS2, they got kind of similar body types.
They're tall, angular. Stingley's a little bit more compact.

Speaker 11 Probably a little more

Speaker 11 because a little probably a little stronger because of the way he's built. But if you look at the way PS2 and the way he glides, he and Gonzalez have very, very similar game.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Trayvion Henderson. Yeah, he had two rushes and one in there.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they threw him one.

Speaker 11 But yeah, this is this is, oh cho, this is a very good team. They're very well coached.
And now you see why. That after one year, Mr.

Speaker 11 Kraft's like, you know what, Gerard, I really hate to pull the plug this quick, but this coach is proven and is too good to pass up. And if we don't do this now, there's a good chance.

Speaker 12 He'd be going somewhere else.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he'd be going somewhere else. Absolutely.

Speaker 11 Because if you think about it, the Falcons interviewed Mike Vrable,

Speaker 11 Mike McDonald

Speaker 11 at Seattle. They interviewed like four guys that are doing extremely well right now.
And they settled on Raheem Horse. And Raheem going to have to get this thing.

Speaker 11 He's going to have to get this thing turned around. But just watching...
New England, they don't beat themselves.

Speaker 11 I know, you know, Vrabel doesn't really mention a whole lot, but I think he took a whole lot playing under Coach Belichick.

Speaker 11 The mannerism, now he's not as he's not as stoic on the sideline he's waiting to give his guys high fives coming off the field he's waiting to hug his guys you watch him in the hallway ocho when they're coming off the field after big rick victory he's hugging everybody hey come on get in here come on let's go let's

Speaker 11 he's a guy i would love to play for

Speaker 11 He's the type of guy that you love, you love to play for because he ain't gonna sugarcoat it. Now, Ocho, you know exactly where you stand with Mike Grable.

Speaker 11 Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 Ocho.

Speaker 12 Tay, take your time. Take your time.

Speaker 11 I tweeted a little bit, but

Speaker 11 I just stopped tweeting because people, you know, I think people going like, man, you pick it on the guy.

Speaker 11 But at some point in time, Ocho, I'm not so sure Justin Fields is going to ever be what a lot of people thought he would become. Ocho, let me give you some of these stats.
He was 3-4-11.

Speaker 11 He got injured in the fourth quarter. for 27 yards.

Speaker 11 He played the entire game against the Broncos. He was 9 of 17 for 45 45 yards.
He played the entire game against the Carolina Panthers. He was 6 of 12 for 46 yards.

Speaker 11 And a loss to Cleveland, he was 6 of 11 for 54 yards. And 42 of those yards came on a screenplay.

Speaker 12 Screen pad to Brees Hall.

Speaker 11 Tonight,

Speaker 11 before the final drive, he had 75 yards passing.

Speaker 12 Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 I think A.D. Mitchell left his hands in Indy.

Speaker 12 Yeah, hey, oh, listen. Listen, now now he ended the game with 75 yards, right?

Speaker 11 No, he had 116, but before that final drive, he got 41 of the white 16.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 12 So, so, one of the things I do want to say

Speaker 12 before we pile on Justin Field,

Speaker 12 I want to talk about some of the drop passes. A.D.
Mitchell, two big plays.

Speaker 12 Two big plays in the first half, before half, you got to have those.

Speaker 11 You got to have that goal ball.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Oh, man. Hey, Unc, you got to have that.
Hey, it's perfect, though. Outside, shoulder, away from the DB.

Speaker 11 You can't ask for anything more than that, Ocho.

Speaker 12 You got to have that. That's perfect red line.
You pull that in. Then the wheel route,

Speaker 12 the out and up. You know, adjust yourself.
Slow down a little bit.

Speaker 11 You know,

Speaker 12 perfect ball. Outside, shoulder, DB has no way to make a play.
Has no way to make a play. You got to have that.
So

Speaker 12 those are passes that you got to help your quarterback out sometime. You got to help your quarterback.
And that's why the stats look the way they look.

Speaker 12 Sometimes they're dropped past, yeah.

Speaker 11 He had he had a couple of drops, but there was a couple, oh Joe. He had AD

Speaker 11 and AD probably would have dropped it, but he had him on the he had him on the hitch.

Speaker 11 Oh, Joe, he had him on the pitch. Oh, Joe, that's a simple pitch and catch.
Oh, he threw it wide. He threw it wide.
I ain't talking about it. You put that on him.

Speaker 11 Because here's the thing: the DB is probably retreating. You put that on him.
Now I get to face you up. There's a chance I can make you miss.
At least, at least. I caught it at five.

Speaker 11 At bare minimum, OJ, I'm going to get a first down. I might make you miss and get even more.

Speaker 11 I'm like,

Speaker 11 Justin, to start the game, yeah, you can't. Because, what do we always say, Ocho? Give me something, I just want to get my hands, I just want to touch the ball.
Just let me touch it.

Speaker 11 You ain't got to give me nothing sophisticated, just let me catch a hitch, let me catch a stick, let me catch a shallow cross. I just want to touch the ball.
You give it to me early, you got me late.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Justin,

Speaker 11 how, how on a on a five-yard hitch route, you miss a guy that far outside.

Speaker 12 And listen, that goes for the quarterback too. Most of the time, some quarterbacks, they don't want to come out with anything.

Speaker 12 They want something short. They want a nice little check down to get themselves in a rhythm, you know, to get a feeling for the game and not really chase the game, but allow the game to come to them.

Speaker 12 And that's what you want. You want a slant.
You want a hitch. You want

Speaker 12 some short. But I think right now, I'm not sure with as bad as the Jets are, everyone around Justin Fields has to be be almost dead.

Speaker 11 But they don't have.

Speaker 12 They have to raise their level of play. They got to raise their level of play to catch up or to make sure they can overcome for Justin's mistakes or his lack of confidence right now.
You have to.

Speaker 12 That's what you need. You need that kind of dog out there.
And he didn't play tonight.

Speaker 11 I think Garrett Wilson is on IR right now.

Speaker 12 So he's going to miss the next now three games after tonight.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 they got to muster it up. They got to muster it up.
You know, those that are are there,

Speaker 12 John Meachie made some plays.

Speaker 12 John Messie, I'm sorry, my apologize, Messi. Yeah, he made some plays tonight.

Speaker 12 Tight end, you know, a little check down play.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you got to have that catch. That tight end on the fourth down, you got to hold that one.
You got the first down

Speaker 11 and you're getting laid

Speaker 11 because you take it so long to submit the ball.

Speaker 11 The guy's driving. Bring it in.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah, he's driving around.

Speaker 12 He knocked it down. But outside of that, man, listen, the Jets,

Speaker 12 they didn't play play that bad.

Speaker 11 They didn't. They really just couldn't get off the field.
They didn't play that bad.

Speaker 11 In that first half, Ocho, they couldn't get off the field.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I mean, they get them in third. They get them in third and four, third and five.
They get a first down. They get them in third and ten.
Yeah. They get a first down.

Speaker 11 They just could not get off the field. And I'm like, okay, they rush three, they rush four, they bring pressure.
They still didn't get there. I'm like, well, damn, how difficult?

Speaker 11 I mean, man, how difficult is it? And you're right. And I think a lot of times the drops, maybe that messes with with

Speaker 11 Justin Phield's confidence because he's like, am I doing something? What am I doing wrong? Because he'll throw one terrible and then he'll drop a dime.

Speaker 11 He'll throw two terrible and he'll throw another dime.

Speaker 11 He had A.D. Mitchell again on the goal.
He hit Gonzalez in the ass with the ball. I thought he was playing pin to tail like a donkey.

Speaker 11 I said, but damn.

Speaker 11 Oh, he had it.

Speaker 11 He hit Gonzalez in the ass.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was beat.

Speaker 11 And that's the thing. When you get a guy beat down there, Ocho, you know, you're already struggling as an offense.
You can't miss.

Speaker 11 And that's what I tweeted. I said, Mitchell, you're not that good offensively.

Speaker 11 You're not that good of a team to overcome those kind of mistakes. That's a flat out drop.
And they're not.

Speaker 11 And you're saying, okay, you get a guy like Justin Fields and he's struggling, but they don't have the receivers.

Speaker 11 They don't have a Chase or a Jeddah or one of these top-like receivers that could, or a couple of them. They need more than one.
They need

Speaker 11 a couple of them that can elevate them.

Speaker 11 And I just.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It sucks. It sucks.
It sucks. And listen, not only that,

Speaker 12 they're not playing well. They let two of their best players on defense.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, obviously,

Speaker 12 you got players for them. So you would hope those players that you got in the trade can step up

Speaker 12 and play the par. And obviously,

Speaker 12 it's 80s first week. This is his first game, too, right? This is his first game.

Speaker 11 This ain't the first time he caught a pass. This ain't the first time he ran around.

Speaker 11 I mean, yeah, you tell me.

Speaker 11 You say, no matter where you go, wherever you play. Right, right, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 12 Like, I'm not, listen, I'm not making no excuses for him.

Speaker 12 You have to make those plays. You have to.

Speaker 11 You got to. And with Justin Fields out, excuse me, with Garrett Wilson out, you're supposed to be their best receiver.

Speaker 11 Because at the coach, they had high expectations until you got into Shane Steichen's doghouse with that fumble. It was never the same after that.
Now, maybe there was something going on.

Speaker 11 Maybe that was the final straw that broke the Campbells back on Joe. But from that point on,

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Speaker 11 but uh oh I just don't know how

Speaker 11 you throw for 27 yards in a game you throw for 45 yards in a game you throw for 46 yards in a game you throw for 54 yards in a game and you throw for 116 and 41 of that came on the final drive I just don't know how you move on and

Speaker 11 become what people thought you were going to become when they took you as a top draft pick.

Speaker 11 I think you were up 15 to 16, something like that, Ocho. I just don't see the consistency.

Speaker 11 I don't see him one, two,

Speaker 11 check it down.

Speaker 11 One, two, three, out of bounds. One, two,

Speaker 11 gone.

Speaker 11 I don't see that. And you know, as a quarterback, the really good ones,

Speaker 12 yes.

Speaker 11 Back foot hit. Okay, I'm dropping back.
I know to play, Ocho. I'm dropping back.
already gone through it. Okay, we've gone through it through the course of the week.
Cover one, we go here.

Speaker 11 Cover two, we go there. Quarters, we go here.
Cover five, we go there. Sky, six.
We already know. So when you back it up, the safety has already told you what it's due.
Single high safety.

Speaker 11 Oh, I know where I'm going right now. Oh, he's covered.

Speaker 11 Let me see where two is. Is two there? Okay, let me take this check down.

Speaker 11 Oh, Joe. Yeah.
See, it seems like it's like he got a dial-up service. He ain't got that 5G.
They say they got something. They got 10G up in China.
Say, hey, hey, you cut the ball off.

Speaker 11 It already gone to what you're looking for.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 12 I think the fact that also with the offensive line not playing as well as they should be, he's rushing everything a little bit, not being able to go through his progression and understand, listen, pre-snap.

Speaker 12 Okay, I'm seeing what they're doing. And once that ball snaps, you know, obviously

Speaker 12 you want that head straight down the field, not giving anything away.

Speaker 12 and not having the time to be able to go through his read and progression, I think he speeds things up up and hurries throws, he rushes throws to hurry to get the ball out of his hands, too.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, uh, Ocho, I'm looking at against Buffalo, he averaged 2.5 yards of an attempt, against the Broncos, 2.6 yards per attempt, against Carolina, 3.8 yards per attempt, against Cleveland, 4.9 yards attempt.

Speaker 11 That's not even a running back average is

Speaker 11 squat if he's doing that.

Speaker 11 Imagine if you're a quarterback and that's what your yards per attempt is.

Speaker 11 That is horrible.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it is bad, but also, you know, also, you know what else? It also comes down to the weapons around you.

Speaker 12 It also comes down to what do you have? What is your supporting cast like? Now, you take a Justin Fields here, hypothetically speaking, right?

Speaker 12 Say you keep the same offense and you put a Jamar Chase or you put a Justin Jefferson, you put a T. Higgins or you put any of the

Speaker 12 top-tier receivers on that team together, you know, a one-in-a-one or

Speaker 12 a one-in-a-one or a decent, a a decent

Speaker 12 one.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Hey, it looks completely different because they can overcome for all the woes that Justin Fields may be having.
They can overcome all that. The small stuff.

Speaker 12 You got Jamar Chase, crazy ass, could take a goddamn slant and a goddamn hitch, 80 yards. You got T.
Higgins, any ball you throw to him, which was considered for most receivers, 50-50.

Speaker 12 Hell, with him, it's 90-10.

Speaker 12 Like small stuff like that, where you have players

Speaker 12 that can elevate their play to overcome for your shortcomings, it makes things easier, but they just don't have that.

Speaker 12 Therefore, everybody else has to raise their level of play and damn near be perfect.

Speaker 12 And that's the issue. That's the issue they have.

Speaker 11 If you look at the guys that you just mentioned, they had their best seasons. If you think about it, what do the guys do really well? Process information really, really quickly.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 Go back and look at Joe Flacco.

Speaker 11 Now go back and look at Joe Flacco. It doesn't even look like Chase has falling off because Joe Flacco backfoot hit.
I'm going to him.

Speaker 11 Cousins or Sam Darno,

Speaker 11 you couldn't tell who was in there with Jetta

Speaker 11 because they process information quickly.

Speaker 11 That is the number one thing. How well do you download information and how quickly can you disseminate it?

Speaker 11 I don't care. I don't care what type of arm you got.
I don't care what type of leg you got.

Speaker 11 If I input that information ocho how soon can you spit it back out

Speaker 12 yeah and and the funny thing about it is not only being able to process it not only being able to spit it out but you know what makes it even easier the motherfucker you throw into in the other hole but i oh it makes

Speaker 11 it much easier but see now you got me okay

Speaker 11 i run a hitch route

Speaker 11 Now you go got me. Well, do I need to slide? Do I need to slide? Because I'm anticipating because I don't know where it's going to be.
I know normally I'm going to get a hitch.

Speaker 11 I will get it in the the framework of my body, Ocho, because he's not going to be under pressure because it's one, two, three, boom, ball's out.

Speaker 11 So he's not going to be up under pressure. So I think I'm going to get the ball somewhere in here, here, here.

Speaker 11 Ocho, not out here.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 So it makes it difficult. It's like sometimes when you're dealing with a mobile quarterback, it's hard to adjust to them, Ocho, because I run my route.

Speaker 11 And next thing I know, he way over the crowd screaming. I'm like, damn, what happened? He's way over there.

Speaker 11 I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 11 So it's hard when your quarterback is inconsistent. I don't give a damn who the receiver is.
You want some consistency at that position, but you want somebody that can digest information.

Speaker 11 The coach put it in and he spit it right back out in the form of getting the ball out of his hand.

Speaker 11 I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 11 I pray I'm wrong, but I just don't know if he's ever going to be what many thought he would be, especially when you look at the game that he had against who did he play against clemson you look at that game that he had against clemson and he was sensational

Speaker 11 yeah and and and i was like okay now

Speaker 11 playing with those guys that he had alave and garrett wilson and all those guys we understand see

Speaker 11 but you realize once you get to the nfl the likelihood of you having five receivers that are five stars or or be that type of guy the the likelihood is not very good. Yeah, does he have a chase? No.

Speaker 11 Does he have a jetta? Does he have any of the top top receivers? No.

Speaker 12 Now, what I will say, now, what I will say, he does have Garrett Wilson. Now, Garrett Wilson,

Speaker 12 who had a phenomenal, who had a phenomenal rookie year with lesser quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 If you look at him, Ocho, if you look at him, if you just put them on paper. And you say, look at what was thrown to Garrett Wilson when he won offensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 11 And you look at what's throwing to Garrett Wilson. Now, if you just look on play, just hey you're like well man with justin fields he's about to go crazy and he played with him in college yes yes

Speaker 12 yeah

Speaker 12 we are i mean i mean listen garrett wilson is a phenomenal talent nothing should taper off when you have a talent like that it's so easy when you look at what they're able to do with devontae adams and poopa nakua um hell jsn And obviously, I don't think the Jets offensive coordinator has that kind of creativity to put in you and Justin, justin fields to use garrett wilson in the right type of way to create those mismatches like the other team

Speaker 11 with ocho

Speaker 11 i can give you all the nice ingredients i want but if you dad can't cook what the hell have i done i spent a whole lot of money on going great food great ingredients and i know you can't make a dish with it

Speaker 11 it comes down to it ocho you The really good don't go look at chalk and the iron shelf and they give these give these people, okay, I'm gonna give you chocolate.

Speaker 11 i'm gonna give you onions i'm gonna give you stone crabs and i'm like how did how did you even think of this

Speaker 12 yes

Speaker 11 but you give somebody you give them oh okay i'm gonna give you steak i'm gonna give you this i'm gonna give you that and you're like

Speaker 2 what i

Speaker 11 what i'm supposed to make

Speaker 11 i i just i i hope i'm wrong chat i really do but i just i i just and i've seen him and i've watched him now this man has gone through three head coaches and probably four offensive coordinators. Yeah.

Speaker 11 And I'm not, and

Speaker 11 sometimes you get lucky and

Speaker 11 you get a Sean McVay or you get a Kyle Shanahan,

Speaker 11 but

Speaker 11 I just don't know it. Because at the end of the day, the quarterback position is all about processing information and spitting it back out.
That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 11 It is. I mean, I don't care how good, how big your arm is.
I don't care how fast your legs are. Can you process it, Ocho?

Speaker 11 Because that's a whole different ballgame. Because not only must you process it, Ocho, you got to realize

Speaker 11 they got five. On most occasions, they got four guys that's really trying to tear your damn head off.

Speaker 11 So you got to like, you in fear for your life, but also you got to calm yourself down and say, you know what? Yeah. One, two, check down.

Speaker 2 One, two, up.

Speaker 11 Throw it out of bounds. One, two, F that.
I'm out.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It's all about that clock.

Speaker 11 You know what, Ocho? Maybe, maybe, maybe put him in, maybe put him in hurry up the game. Because it seems like, you know, when he's in hurry up, he's better.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And then

Speaker 11 fumble.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, unless

Speaker 12 that's on the center, too. That's on the center.
Come on, that's the NFL now.

Speaker 12 Put the snap at the mid set.

Speaker 12 The snap should come in the same area every single time.

Speaker 11 You go through that all goddamn week.

Speaker 12 I mean, like, come on now. Come on, Senna.

Speaker 11 Don't, don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 Don't do that.

Speaker 11 A little.

Speaker 12 Man, the ball hit it. The ball hit his ankles.

Speaker 11 But you know what?

Speaker 11 It's just that, you know, take that, take that, take that away. They got three points out there.

Speaker 11 Give the defense credit because I thought the defense gave up one touchdowns and two field goals in the second half. Yeah.

Speaker 11 They did force a three and out

Speaker 11 on the first possession of the second half, which is kudos. You know, you see, I think the Jets won the toss and they took the ball.

Speaker 11 They drove the ball right down the field, something they normally don't do.

Speaker 11 It normally ends in a punt or turnover, and they drove the ball. I think they had the ball like 14 plays and drove the ball and punched it in the end zone.
But I just,

Speaker 11 Lord, I hope I'm wrong, but

Speaker 11 I just don't see where he's ever going to be more than what he is. I don't think he's ever going to be turning to what, and

Speaker 11 that's okay because everybody ain't going to be a Lamar Jackson. Everybody's not going to be Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 11 But, I mean, I think if the Jets could be okay if he was just like middle of the road, you just can't be, you can't be the bottom tier.

Speaker 11 I'm not saying you got to be top tier, but I mean, if we got that kind of, if we got, Chad, if you can see this, if we got this much space, can you be somewhere in here and not be down here?

Speaker 2 In the middle.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 11 Can we get that, Ojo?

Speaker 12 You know what else it all comes down to?

Speaker 12 Not only all the intangibles and all the nuances that we're talking about, but unless you got confidence,

Speaker 12 ain't nothing happening. You got to be able to play with confidence.
You have to be able to play with confidence in everything that you do.

Speaker 12 And one of the most important positions, quarterback confidence is the most important. Goddamn quarterback.

Speaker 11 It's the most important.

Speaker 12 The most.

Speaker 11 Because if you don't believe,

Speaker 11 your body language.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Your aura is going to say, if you don't believe, I don't believe either.

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 11 I mean if you don't trust your skill, why you want me?

Speaker 11 That's why I used to get in the car old that joke. Somebody button their seatbelt, fasten their seatbelt.
Hell, I fasten mine. You know something I don't.

Speaker 11 Click

Speaker 11 so

Speaker 11 you can build you. I've been around quarterbacks when they walk into the huddle, you know.

Speaker 11 And they know what the hell they do.

Speaker 11 And they give you the confidence that you know what the hell you do it.

Speaker 12 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 12 Exactly. Man,

Speaker 12 I hope they get it together. I'm not sure what direction they're going to go in, but the way they've started so far and letting Sauce go and letting

Speaker 11 go.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Wait, listen. But who you going to, you're going to start over with a quarterback?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 12 You're going to start with a new quarterback. I believe so.
You're going to draft another one? You're going to draft another one?

Speaker 11 I believe so.

Speaker 11 I mean, I don't know if there's any

Speaker 11 quarterbacks that's going to become available.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Probably Sam Donnell didn't want any parts of New York again, which I wouldn't blame him.

Speaker 11 But look, I mean, every day it seems like I hear a story about somebody that played there having an interaction with the owner, and it's never positive, and it's never good.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 with that situation,

Speaker 11 I hope

Speaker 11 AG gets at least three years.

Speaker 11 Because it's not like you had a had a powerful roster to begin with, and now you stripped him of his two best defensive players. So he got to get at least two years.

Speaker 11 And without a quarterback, you can give him five years, and he's still not going to get it done. Because

Speaker 11 it's hard.

Speaker 11 It's damn near impossible. And I know, Jack, well, y'all did it in 22,000 with De Ray with Trenton Dilfer.
They don't allow you to play football like that. No, absolutely.

Speaker 11 You don't play football like that anymore. The rules are different.
So, no,

Speaker 11 there's nobody winning another Super Bowl like we won it or like Tampa won it in 02.

Speaker 11 You're not because they won't allow you to play defense like that. Your quarterback is going to have to stand in the pocket, and he's going to have to make plays throwing the effing football.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he's going to be able to use his legs to get out of harm's way some,

Speaker 11 but he's going to have to be able to throw the football. The days of, oh, we got a killer defense, and we're going to run the ball.
No, you're not.

Speaker 12 Nah,

Speaker 11 no, you're not.

Speaker 12 You're not going to win very many games like that because once the team gets ahead on you, once the team gets ahead of you, 10, 14 points, and you can't run your way back into a game.

Speaker 11 Absolutely. Let me ask you this, Ocho.
Do you like Kyler Murray? Because

Speaker 11 I believe there's going to be a separation of church and state in Arizona.

Speaker 12 Uh-huh. Yeah, most definitely, because I think Kyler Murray is healthy.

Speaker 12 I think me personally, I think he's healthy, but they're continuing to want to go with Jacoby Brissette based on how he look and how the offense moved with him.

Speaker 12 You know, the few weeks he's been in.

Speaker 12 If they do part ways with him, I'm sure Kyler Murray will be somewhere else next year. For sure.

Speaker 12 How would it look over in New York? I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it's a fit.
It all depends on AG.

Speaker 12 Obviously, outside of AG, you got to go to the higher powers and see if that's something that they want to look into. Or do you want to go into the draft?

Speaker 12 Now, when you think about some of the quarterbacks coming into the draft this year, is there a franchise altering quarterback that can come in there? and change a franchise.

Speaker 12 I haven't seen anything like that this year. There have been some that have played good, but nothing that just blows you out the water.
Like, you know what, that guy, we've got to have him. I agree.

Speaker 12 I haven't seen it.

Speaker 11 I haven't seen it either, Ocho.

Speaker 11 So we'll see how this plays out.

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Speaker 11 Oh, Joe Mike Brabel was apparently very close to landing the Jets job before the Patriot job opened.

Speaker 11 Reporter Conna Hughes explained that if New York England hadn't fired Gerard Mayo following his 4-13 season, he believes Brable would have been the helm of the New York right now.

Speaker 11 And truthfully, he was interested in the Jets as the Jets were interested in him. If the Patriots job hadn't opened, I genuinely believe that Brable would have been going to take the job.

Speaker 11 They wanted Mike Brable more than anything else. So that's when he was the only way to take the Patriots job.
They made a last-second call. Is Is there anything we can do to give you the job?

Speaker 11 Full control, more money? What do you want?

Speaker 11 What more can we do to change your mind?

Speaker 11 Ocho?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 If you interviewed him,

Speaker 11 he should have never left your building.

Speaker 12 You shouldn't have. Hey, listen,

Speaker 12 you got to do that. You got to understand.
You got to understand.

Speaker 12 A coach like that, which is why Mr. Crabb did what he did.

Speaker 12 Which is why Mr. Krabb did, he understood.
He understood the assignment. Ain't nowhere in hell.
We have a quarterback.

Speaker 12 I think if we just have the right person in charge, you know, with a little structure, with a little discipline that can instill that patriot way, you know, Gerard Mayo, I think, was well capable of doing so.

Speaker 12 They just didn't play well for Gerard Mayo for whatever reason. I don't know, but the team looking completely different under the tutelage of goddamn Mike Brave.

Speaker 11 Hey, look, I totally different team.

Speaker 12 Hey, I don't know why, but listen, I don't think Mike Braper would have had success in New York anyway. He wouldn't wouldn't have had success.

Speaker 12 Hell, if you're going to have success, if you couldn't do it in Tennessee, you damn sure weren't going to be able to do it in New York.

Speaker 11 I think, I think Tennessee got with him prematurely. That's what I think.
I think the thing is, if you listen to the date, like he and

Speaker 11 the owners started butting head,

Speaker 11 you know, you know how it is, OJo. Hey,

Speaker 11 and yeah, and you know, I guarantee she wish she had Mike Brable now.

Speaker 11 She's finding out, she's finding out the hard way.

Speaker 11 Yes, sir. She's finding out the hard way.

Speaker 11 I think the thing is, OJo, like, when you're in, when you're in that type of position, you're in ownership or you're in leadership, the one thing you can't beat is impulsive.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Get mad.
You're fired.

Speaker 11 You can't do that.

Speaker 11 Even though sometimes I understand that you might want to.

Speaker 11 You're never working this industry again.

Speaker 12 Right. Shit.

Speaker 11 Brable had, I mean, think about it. And then then

Speaker 11 they let Derrick Henry go and they ended up trading

Speaker 11 AJ Brown.

Speaker 11 You trade your best.

Speaker 12 Yes. Hey, listen, horrible decision, but AJ wanted out, but they were making horrible decisions.
They wouldn't pay.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that too. But the trade was to try and better their team.
Let's see what we can get for them and see if we can improve our team. They drafted brother Traylon Burks.

Speaker 11 Who was supposed to.

Speaker 11 I think my camera cut off.

Speaker 12 Yeah, um

Speaker 12 I mean that that that didn't pan out that didn't pan out too well so I mean it's just they they've been making some bad business decisions when it comes to not only players but the coaches well the coaches well you you have a you have a super bowl winning coach that knows what it takes to win he knows how to build a team obviously coming from the new way the the patriot way coming from new england you know what

Speaker 12 i have the formula I know what it takes. It's not going to be the snap of a finger, and you can't just take money and throw money at it.
I need time.

Speaker 12 And with that time, I need you to give me a quarterback. If you give me a quarterback, I'll take care of the rest.
He goes to New England. He has a quarterback.
Okay, you know what? Now we set.

Speaker 12 We have a franchise quarterback for the next 10 to 15 years. Now, Mr.
Kraft, let me do the rest. Let me do the rest.

Speaker 12 So what we see from the Patriots right now, we finna see this for the next 10, 12, 15 years.

Speaker 11 For sure. Because the one thing that you know about Mr.
Kraft is that he'll get he'll step out of the way.

Speaker 11 He'll step out of the way. Now, do I think he has more in common with Brabel than he did Coach Belichick? Yes, I do.
I think they just, I think.

Speaker 11 Under normal circumstances, Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick probably would have butted heads.
But in a situation like what we're in, OJo, I'm going to, hey,

Speaker 11 I'm mining gold, and we're still finding it.

Speaker 11 Now,

Speaker 11 if Brabel takes that job and they can entice Sam Donnell to come back, because I do think Sam Donnell says, okay, here's a coach that has control.

Speaker 11 I don't got to worry about ownership. I ain't got to worry about no general manager.
Mike Brabel got control.

Speaker 11 I'm not saying he has as much control, but I believe. Right.
Who's the general manager?

Speaker 11 Didn't the general manager come back with Brabel?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Because at the end of the day, Ocho, some people take jobs and I'm just happy to have a job. They ain't got no say over the 53.
They got no say over 50 free agency.

Speaker 11 They ain't got no say over the draft.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's hard. That's hard.
That's hard to be a coach.

Speaker 11 Tennessee, or was he already there?

Speaker 11 I know you got 50. I heard great Brable more than likely has sale over 53 and has some say opportunity to draft.
Absolutely. Because he knows what he wants.
He knows the type of player.

Speaker 11 He knows the system that he's trying to run.

Speaker 11 He knows the type of player that he needs to fit said. Players he needs.
That's why Coach Belichick.

Speaker 11 A lot of times when he drafted players, he wouldn't work them out himself, but he needed to talk to them.

Speaker 11 Because the thing is, you can't have a big ego and play for Coach Belichick.

Speaker 11 Nah, because you say, Well,

Speaker 11 nah, you gotta leave your ego at the door. Because, see, if you check it at the door, you might sneak, hey, ain't nobody looking go back and get it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, nah, that ain't gonna work. No, that ain't gonna work.
And matter of fact, it's probably not gonna work with Ray.

Speaker 11 Absolutely not.

Speaker 12 Hey, look, hey, hold on. What's the first thing we say about Stephon Diggs? What's the first thing everyone says about Stephon Diggs? Well, hell, he looked like a whole different person.

Speaker 12 He seemed like a whole different person. No, that's just when you walk in that door in New England and just something about that atmosphere.
They always talk about the Patriot Way.

Speaker 12 I can't explain it. I was there and just

Speaker 12 the aura, the atmosphere, it's just you check yourself out.

Speaker 11 The standard is the standard.

Speaker 12 Automatically, you just do it.

Speaker 11 Is that your sound or my sound?

Speaker 12 Not

Speaker 11 in the wrong. Because you speak it out.
your mouth was moving. I didn't hear nothing.

Speaker 11 Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad.

Speaker 12 You know, you know, I be talking so goddamn fast, man. My bad, yeah.

Speaker 11 But, uh, man,

Speaker 11 I look, the Patriots are going to be good for a long time, and what we thought was a foregone conclusion that Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills are going to run this division for the next 10 years.

Speaker 11 That's not going to be the case. Yeah, this is going to be a dog fight in this division.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's going to be a dog fight in this division.

Speaker 12 Oh, but between two teams.

Speaker 11 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 12 Between two teams.

Speaker 12 It's going to be always for the next decade. It's going to be the Patriots or the goddamn Bills.

Speaker 11 I agree. Oh,

Speaker 11 not your guppies?

Speaker 11 Who?

Speaker 11 Your Guppies.

Speaker 12 Oh, no. Listen, listen.

Speaker 12 Listen, the Dolphins and the Jets are in the same boat. They're in the same because

Speaker 12 they finna scrapping in clean house, too.

Speaker 11 They are. Oh, Joe, Bleacher Report ranks his five most overrated quarterbacks.
They named Lamar Jackson as the most overrated quarterback in the NFL. Said

Speaker 11 he may not just be one of today's most overrated active quarterbacks, but also of all time. His two-time MVP status is borderline fraudulent.

Speaker 11 His credentials don't measure up to other ledgers who've won the award on numerous occasions.

Speaker 11 Of the 10 players that have joined multiple MVP clubs during the Super Bowl era, Jackson is the lone member without a Super Bowl ring.

Speaker 11 All the others on that list include Johnny United, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, tom brady brett fav joe montano steve young kurt warner patrick mahom were able to take their team to multiple super bowl appearances and won at least once jackson has yet to even reach the big game he's three in five lifetime in playoffs and has a 375 postseason winning percentage percentage that stands far away the worst among multiple mvp winners first of all steve young did not take no team to multiple mvps he was a backup he took his team to one mv to one super Bowl, and he did win it.

Speaker 11 That was in 1994. He threw six touchdowns in Miami to beat the Chargers.
So let's

Speaker 11 like to give context. Steve Young did not go to multiple Super Bowls.
Now,

Speaker 11 also,

Speaker 11 if I'm not mistaken, I think Earl Morrill

Speaker 11 didn't Earl Morrill start one of those Super Bowls for the Colts?

Speaker 11 Oh, he had a two and a half Johnny United's did or Earl? Earl in the 1972 season.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 He had a 2-0 post game post-season record. No, that's from Miami.
Miami.

Speaker 11 No, no.

Speaker 11 Johnny went to two Super two

Speaker 11 Colts went went to two Super Bowls?

Speaker 11 I know they beat the Cowboys on the field goal. He was only there

Speaker 11 for the Colts, Baltimore Colts

Speaker 11 in the 1970s Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 Who Johnny? Morrow. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Okay. He didn't play.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 Look,

Speaker 11 I get it.

Speaker 11 Yes, and Ocho, we talked about this. This is the only

Speaker 11 albatross.

Speaker 11 this is the elephant in the room you see the names that are on this list that have won multiple mvps lamar is the only one that hasn't been to a super bowl that's that's not to say ocho his career is not ending tomorrow

Speaker 12 absolutely not which

Speaker 11 everybody jumped on me when i said his career will be looked at as a disappointment if he doesn't get to a super bowl considering what he had accomplished you base it on what these other guys see you can't just look well he won two MVPs.

Speaker 11 You got to look at the company that he's in that's won two special MVPs. Now you start looking at it, you're like, well, damn, he has to get to one.
Aaron Rodgers went to one.

Speaker 11 He has to get to at least one.

Speaker 11 And then we look at him totally different. He gets to one and he wins it.

Speaker 11 We look at him differently, Ocho. We just do.

Speaker 12 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 12 But yeah, listen, I understand the company that he keeps, the fact that he's won two MVPs, the fact that he's won those MVPs, those that are in the chat that are listening, that are watching, you have to understand that he's in a different, he's in a class of his own, in a different class for that matter.

Speaker 12 So when it comes to judging him, he judged based off his, his,

Speaker 12 what is not compadres, what's the word I'm looking for? People in the company you keep. His peers.

Speaker 12 He judge. based on his other peers that have won MVPs as well.
And most of them, if not all, have been to a Super Bowl, whether they won a Super Bowl or not. So he judges off of that.

Speaker 12 But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like. That's the part I don't like.

Speaker 12 Saying that he's overrated because he hadn't gotten there yet when he's still playing and only his seventh, maybe eighth year. I'm not sure which one it is.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 11 18th, I think. For that matter, he knows nothing about

Speaker 11 Lamar's first year.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Okay, but nothing about Lamar Jackson and what he brings to the table, what he brings to the NFL, what he brings to the Baltimore Ravens in general, and giving them a chance.

Speaker 12 and having them in contention every goddamn year nothing about that is overrated i that's the part I don't like. Now, that is more to me, it's more clickbait.

Speaker 12 There should be a different title when it comes to talking about the quarterbacks that have won MVPs and have been or won a Super Bowl. The title should be goddamn different.

Speaker 12 Overrated, my goddamn ass. Now, that's a bunch of bullshit.

Speaker 11 Well, let me ask you a question. But when you're looking at him, him, you but see, here's the thing.
They're not, see, you're looking at him against his peers.

Speaker 11 They're looking at him against his peers that have won two MVPs.

Speaker 11 So when you look at him, look at the class that he's in. You compared him to my homeboy, two MVPs, five Super Bowl appearances, three wins.

Speaker 11 You look at him at Peyton Manning, five MVPs, three Super Bowl appearances, two wins. You're looking at Tom Bray, move on.

Speaker 11 You're looking at Brent Falls.

Speaker 12 How about this? Everybody on that list.

Speaker 12 Everybody on that list except one person is already done and not playing anything. Correct.

Speaker 12 Everybody on that list is done and not playing. So how about we wait until he's done playing and then we justify whether he belongs in that company or not or whether he's overrated or not.

Speaker 12 And even if he doesn't go to a goddamn Super Bowl, what he's going to continue to do, the resume that he's going to put together, whether he wins three more MVPs and doesn't make a goddamn Super Bowl or not, nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated.

Speaker 12 I know the fact the way we judge quarterbacks is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware and all that.

Speaker 12 But when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, when you're talking about people that played the game,

Speaker 12 forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that never played the game. Nothing about young bull out of goddamn pompano who played for Boyne Beach High School is overrated.

Speaker 12 Whether he has a goddamn ring or not,

Speaker 12 he will still go down as one of the best, the best

Speaker 12 quarterbacks to ever play this goddamn game. How do we judge Dan Marino? Do we say Dan Marino is not one of the greats because he's a great guy?

Speaker 11 Yes, but see, here's the thing, Ocho.

Speaker 11 G-R-E-A-T, great.

Speaker 11 Now, if we add D-S-T,

Speaker 11 one of the greatest,

Speaker 11 that's what he's going for. You see, you said something very interesting,

Speaker 11 and this is actually true. Only quarterbacks get measured by wins and Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 No other position, Super Bowls matter.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 11 Not like they do for a quarterback, because, Ocho, even when Brady wasn't putting up numbers like Peyton Manning, they said he was better than Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't?

Speaker 11 Championships.

Speaker 11 Think about it now. Peyton Manning had won multiple, multiple MVPs.

Speaker 11 Brady had three Super Bowls. Manning had three regular season MVPs.
They say, well, Brady's better. Right.
Because Brady has,

Speaker 11 as you was pointing to your fingers, that's how they, oh, yo, I don't don't set the rules. You see what happened with ring culture? You see,

Speaker 11 what has it done?

Speaker 11 It'll make people jump around and go and try to find the best situation where they can win a ring, and then they shut you up, and it's like, okay, I've already done what I needed to do. Now,

Speaker 12 no more argument.

Speaker 12 It's no more argument at that point, especially when it comes to basketball, you have those that have to chase the ring because of ring culture and the rules, the unwritten rules, matter of fact.

Speaker 12 How about that? The unwritten rules.

Speaker 11 because who the hell came up with it who the hell i don't know because they were saying they were saying jordan was better than magic and magic had five rings they were saying jordan was better than bird and bird had three mvps and three rings he had he's the last guy to win three consecutive mvps you got to go all the way back to wilt

Speaker 11 so what has happened is that

Speaker 11 Now, I give you another one.

Speaker 11 The next couple years, people are going to say Shelhoy Huaytani is the greatest best ball player we've ever seen. He's got four MVPs.
He's got them unanimously.

Speaker 11 He's got two Super Bowl. He got two World Series wings, Ocho.
He had one of the great postseason performers where he struck out 10 and hit three home runs. Now,

Speaker 11 he messed around and get another one and win another World Series.

Speaker 11 Who are we going to compare him to? Because we

Speaker 11 have four MVPs unanimously?

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 that's crazy.

Speaker 11 That's crazy. So you see, once you start, and

Speaker 11 Barry Barnes was so great, even everybody that played against him said, that is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddox said, well, it was really easy to pitch the Barry.

Speaker 11 If it mattered, you walked him.

Speaker 11 He said his job was to get 27 outs.

Speaker 11 You ain't going to get them on him.

Speaker 11 So pick the other eight guys to get and figure it out.

Speaker 11 so when you look at mocho

Speaker 11 i get look it is hard to say a man a man like lamar

Speaker 11 and maybe you're right maybe overrated is a harsh term but i think if we they're looking they're looking at it as the 10 guys that have something that no other guys have and that is think about the nfl how long it's been going on

Speaker 12 hold on stay with me stay with me real quick now so if we if we talk about hardware right and hardware hardware puts quarterbacks in a different and different in a different tier where we're not just great great is so are we saying like ben rothensberger belongs in that tier too are we saying russell wilson also belongs in that tier too when we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because they have no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no but but here's the thing ocho none of these none of those guys have regular season mvps

Speaker 11 okay oh so there's okay there there's a

Speaker 11 so we can't we can't we can't move no no no no no no no let me ask you a question Has anybody ever said Ben Rothensberger

Speaker 11 was greater than Tom Brady, Peyton Manning?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 11 So when you look at it, and so when you look at it, you have to have regular season MVPs. Those matter.
Now, when you start getting postseason MVPs, that means you won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 See, you see, Brady is hard.

Speaker 11 Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 11 Brady has three regular season MVPs. He has seven

Speaker 11 Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVPs. So no matter what criteria you use, it's going to be hard for somebody to overtake him unless my homeboy gets five MVPs.
Let's just say for the sake of art.

Speaker 11 We have a compelling case if

Speaker 11 my homeboy is not even 30. I think he just turned 30.

Speaker 12 He got a long way to go. Yes.

Speaker 12 He got a long way to go.

Speaker 11 And the thing, he just turned 30. So when you look at Ocho, I think that is the thing.
They're comparing him in this elite category. Elite, which is guys that have won multiple MVPs.

Speaker 11 It ain't that many quarterbacks that's won two. What is it?

Speaker 11 Uninas, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Favre, Montana, Young, Warner, Mahomes. It's nine.
Lamar makes 10.

Speaker 11 Yeah. He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl.
Now, if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl, what are they going to say, Ocho? Honest, be honest, you know what they're going to say.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what they're going to say.
We know what they're going to say. But hey, listen,

Speaker 12 I know what they're going to say, but I know what my eyes have seen all the years I've seen.

Speaker 11 Let me do you one better.

Speaker 11 They say guys that got Super Bowl rings at the receiver position better than Ocho, because Ocho ain't got no rings.

Speaker 11 But you run circles around them on the field. You see how they did? You see how they did? You see? You see how they did that?

Speaker 12 Yeah, i got you i got listen i'm with you when you're right now picking up

Speaker 11 what i'm saying

Speaker 12 yeah

Speaker 12 so now so just imagine they do that for the receiver so imagine if a quarterback that's what i said oh yeah it's even it's even it's even worse it's even worse now it is i i hate that it's like that i hate that it's like that it's it's somewhat of an unwritten rule just like the unwritten rule of hockey when it comes to fighting just like the unwritten rule unwritten rule in baseball like i understand it i hate that it's like that hey ring culture when it comes to talking basketball

Speaker 11 it matters. Nobody just does.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it matters, but that's just the way it is. But I mean,

Speaker 12 it is what it is.

Speaker 12 I think

Speaker 12 with the way, obviously,

Speaker 12 they didn't have a good year, a good start through the year. They obviously

Speaker 11 taught the Ravens.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think they're going to win the division.
I think they're going to get a home game. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I think they're going to win the division.

Speaker 12 So, what about? So,

Speaker 11 what you think we're going to do?

Speaker 11 So, that's what I bet you could do nothing.

Speaker 12 Hold on, hold on. I'll tell you what.
I know, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 12 I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious tonight.
But I'll tell you this. I will give you guys a division.

Speaker 12 If we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt we do, if we lose to the Steelers, I say you guys are probably going to win the division at that point.

Speaker 12 But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers, that momentum,

Speaker 12 I tell you what, that momentum, the rest of the season, is going to be hell. I don't give two, you know what? Two dropped a dried-up pigeon, you know what, on concrete, how bad our defense is.

Speaker 12 That momentum offensively,

Speaker 12 man,

Speaker 12 man. Listen, man.

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 12 It's gonna be tough. Now,

Speaker 12 if we lose to the Steelers, I mean, that's it. It's a wrap.
Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean,

Speaker 12 our season is over.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and so

Speaker 11 that's the thing. Because, you know, you look at Lamar, and

Speaker 11 it's tough because in his era,

Speaker 11 he got Mahomes.

Speaker 11 There are a lot of people that's going to get overlooked,

Speaker 11 just like they got overlooked. Ben didn't get the credit that he deserves.
Drew Brees didn't get the credit that they deserve because why?

Speaker 11 They played in the era with SmackDown, with Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady.

Speaker 11 And you're talking about guys that got eight regular season MVPs and 10.

Speaker 11 No, hell no.

Speaker 11 Tom is nine and 12 Super Bowl appearances with nine wins.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 That's crazy, man.

Speaker 11 He's so crazy.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 you know what's so funny, too?

Speaker 12 Is we've been spoiled. We've been spoiled by the Peyton Mannings and

Speaker 12 the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Montana. And people don't understand how difficult the Aaron Rodgers, the Brett Farp, they don't understand.

Speaker 12 Brent Rodney, all these quarterbacks, and

Speaker 12 it's 32 teams, huh?

Speaker 12 It's 32 teams, and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in each hand. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Almost over 30 years that are tier one quarterbacks.

Speaker 12 That just lets people know how difficult that position is and how special those are that are in those conversations that we're talking about.

Speaker 12 And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations and winning two MVPs and those unwritten rules kind of give you like a,

Speaker 12 he's not really there yet until he does this.

Speaker 12 So he got to get there. I'm not sure when it's going to happen, but it's going to happen before his career.
Yes.

Speaker 11 My bad. Tom has 10 Super Bowl appearances.

Speaker 12 God damn.

Speaker 11 He has 10.

Speaker 12 Oh, that's crap.

Speaker 11 Lost to Eli twice and lost to a Nick Foles.

Speaker 12 Yes. On the trick.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah. The Philly special? Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, the Philly special.

Speaker 11 Oh, Joe. Now, here's the next five.
They had Lamar number one,

Speaker 11 had Jordan Love number two, Justin Herbert number three, Dak Prescott number four, Trevor Lawrence, number five. Now, Trevor Lawrence needs to be where Lamar is.
I'm gonna put Lamar down there.

Speaker 11 If you're gonna put Lamb, but you're gonna put Lamar on this list, I'm gonna put him down at five,

Speaker 11 right? Man, Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence, man.

Speaker 11 I don't think Justin Herbert's overrated.

Speaker 11 Let's see now that he has

Speaker 11 Jim Harbaugh. The one thing we know about Jim Harbaugh?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 He's going to win.

Speaker 11 They're going to play like stand out defense, and

Speaker 11 he's going to get to a Super Bowl. I'm not going to say it's going to be this year.

Speaker 12 Yeah. But he's definitely going to get there.
He's getting there.

Speaker 12 And the way Justin Herbert is playing this year, too,

Speaker 12 man, Justin Herbert is throwing that phone.

Speaker 11 Absolutely.

Speaker 12 Hey,

Speaker 12 Quentin John. It is Quentin Johnston.

Speaker 12 Quentin. Quentin Johnston.

Speaker 12 Man,

Speaker 12 young Bull got his confidence. Playing extremely well.
Ladarius McConkey

Speaker 12 playing extremely well. Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room, playing extremely well.

Speaker 11 So there really, there really are no. The second.

Speaker 12 Now, I forgot about Ronde Gas in the second. Catching the hell of that ball.
Being a Marion Hampton, I think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back end of the season.

Speaker 12 i think he i think he's gonna be back no off injury

Speaker 11 they they i they're gonna make a nice little run they're gonna they're gonna make a nice little run they absolutely will uh jordan love jordan love's gonna have to he's gonna have to get better man jordan love jordan love gonna have to be better i don't know if somebody hasn't gotten his ear and talking about bro you got to push the ball down the field man

Speaker 11 you make too much money You make too much money to be missing these throws. And I'm not saying you're going to make every, you're not going to make every throw.
I get that. I understand.

Speaker 11 And I'm not trying to minimize playing that position because that's a position I couldn't play.

Speaker 11 Very difficult. But come on, bro.
That's why they play. The more you get paid,

Speaker 11 the more expectation and a burden that is placed on you.

Speaker 11 That's just the rules of engagement.

Speaker 12 Hey, can you imagine?

Speaker 12 Can you imagine being responsible, not only for a team, but playing the most important position on the field? The ball is in your hands the most.

Speaker 12 They paying you $50, $55 million a year. Matter of fact, forget a year.
They're paying you $50, $55 million in six months.

Speaker 12 Six months. And I need you to carry this franchise.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Man, you talk about pressure? I know it's a game of football. It's what we all have done since we were four years old.
But man,

Speaker 2 man.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 But look,

Speaker 11 I'm with you, Ocho. I believe Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super Bowl.
And once he gets there and he wins it,

Speaker 12 it's over. Hey,

Speaker 12 get that monkey off my back so I can go play freely, please. Thank you.

Speaker 11 You see, think about it. I'll give you a prime example.
LeBron James had two MVPs, but he had never hadn't gotten to the finals.

Speaker 11 He had two, lost two.

Speaker 11 And then all of a sudden,

Speaker 11 he won and got that monkey off his back.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 It was a rap. The problem is, you must rather let Lamar get this thing, get this monkey off his back.
He might get the, might double you up. Go back to back, Jack.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Hey,

Speaker 12 I got one question, too.

Speaker 12 Now that we're talking about those unwritten rules, especially in these conversations when it comes to quarterbacks and MVPs,

Speaker 12 it was just on my

Speaker 12 well, it's kind of different because Jalen Hurts, Jalen Hurst has a Super Bowl MVP in a ring, so he's not in that conversation, correct?

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 These are the only guys in the Super Bowl

Speaker 11 that have at least two two regular season MVPs. Right.
Okay, okay. There are nine guys.
Lamar make the 10th. Lamar is the only one that hasn't appeared in a Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 Right, okay. And think about it,

Speaker 11 Peyton Manning never went back-to-back.

Speaker 11 Tom, Joe, and Mahomes are the only ones to go back-to-back of the group that. Right.

Speaker 11 Peyton didn't go to back-to-back Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Kurt didn't. Kurt went 99.
We won 2000. They went in 2001.
And then he went again with Arizona. I think in

Speaker 11 what was that? 2008?

Speaker 11 I think it was 2008.

Speaker 11 Because 2009 was New Orleans. 2000, what you call them? Because seven was the Giants.
Eight was the

Speaker 11 Steelers. Nine.

Speaker 11 Nine was, yeah, nine was New Orleans. Ten was the Giants again.

Speaker 11 Yeah, 11 was the Packers.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 11 was the Packers. 12 was the Seahawks.

Speaker 11 Oh, my man. I'm sorry.

Speaker 11 I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm just, you know, just

Speaker 11 going.

Speaker 11 But, like I said, Ocho, once he gets that monkey off his back, Ocho.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, you're going to be fine.

Speaker 12 And that shit hard, too. But no, I'm going to let's go.
We've been on this thing about 30 minutes.

Speaker 11 No, no, no, because you know why it's hard? Because they say there's nothing like a game seven. Well, in the NFL,

Speaker 11 every game is a game seven.

Speaker 11 Every game,

Speaker 11 every game, wild card game is game seven. Divisional round, game seven.

Speaker 11 Conference final, game seven. Super Bowl, game seven.
Football, you play a game seven every time you step on the field in the playoffs and football.

Speaker 12 Matter of fact, four weeks.

Speaker 11 Yes.

Speaker 12 Four weeks of game seven. Yes.
And you got to muster it up and play your best football. You got to play your best football.

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