Nightcap Hour 2: CFP Championship + Jameis Winston QB1 in NY + Jaire Alexander STEPS AWAY from Eagles + Nico Harrison OUT in DALLAS + Klay Thompson BAMBOOZLED by Mavs + Morris Twins VS Jokic Brothers

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Speaker 11 Hey, hey, hey, you know, you know what's funny, huh?

Speaker 11 When you talk about the speech impediment thing, it's like,

Speaker 11 I don't think I have a speech impediment thing. I think I have a problem is I get anxious like when we're talking.
You notice how fast I start talking?

Speaker 5 You have a cursing thing. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Me? Yeah. No, it ain't talking about me.
You're you.

Speaker 11 I don't think cursing is an issue. I don't think, is that a,

Speaker 11 is there a word for that? If you, if you curse a lot, when you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I tell you off camera.

Speaker 11 okay, okay, okay. But I do have a hey, I started talking fast, um, and then you know what I do? Yeah, I don't know if you notice it, I say the same thing twice before I even start the sentence.

Speaker 11 Like, I don't know, it's weird. It's like I get all anxious.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Uh, Ocho,

Speaker 5 gonna finally get a start. Giants interim head coach Mike Kafka revealed that Jameis Winston, hey,

Speaker 5 Russell Wilson will start as quarterback in week 11 against the Packers with Jackson Dart on the sideline.

Speaker 5 Man, pass over Russ, who was the starter of the season, then went to number two.

Speaker 11 Yes. Dart gets hurt.

Speaker 5 Russ goes to number. He's numbers two still.
Yes. Jameis leapfrogs him.
Oh, Joe,

Speaker 5 what do you think about this?

Speaker 11 I think the coaches, obviously, the interim coaches trying to get a spark out of the offense.

Speaker 11 They've seen enough.

Speaker 11 I'm assuming from Russell Wilson being the starter when Jackson Dart went in and then hearing the reaction from the crowd and the offense really not being able to

Speaker 11 get going,

Speaker 11 they want something new. They want to see what

Speaker 11 Jameis Winston can get in there and do and see if they can have somewhat of a spark. We all know he is one that's liked by everybody and he can have flashes of brilliance on the field.

Speaker 11 The only thing with Jameis Winston, all we need is a little consistency. Can't we get consistency out of you week in and week out and give us a chance?

Speaker 11 Listen, I think our playoff, their playoff chances are probably out the door, but can you

Speaker 11 keep keep our team and head above water and let us compete until the end of the season? Well, I'm sure Jack Darwin will come back, what, maybe what, in two weeks, Uncle?

Speaker 5 Probably so.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 he's out this week.

Speaker 5 Maybe they missed, maybe give him two weeks, Ocho.

Speaker 5 Because, like I said, since the preseason, this is the fourth time.

Speaker 5 We know he's been checked for a concussion.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 5 So this is Jameson's first time getting action during the season, Yeah, this is Jameis first time starting for the Giants.

Speaker 5 He played a little bit. He played one preseason game.
He played in one preseason game, played really well.

Speaker 5 But like Ocho said, Jameis' problem has always been consistency. Consistency.
Look, he's the number one pick in the draft. He won the Heisman Trophy as a freshman.

Speaker 5 He led his team to a national championship. So we know he has the talent to play, but he's been turnover prone far too much.

Speaker 5 We saw last year he threw for almost 500 yards, but it was the turnovers that really that really cost his team a victory. Right, right.
Tremendous highs, incredible lows.

Speaker 5 So he just has to find a way to be consistent. And if he can be consistent, that gives him a chance to be successful, and it also gives

Speaker 5 his team a chance to be successful.

Speaker 5 I want to say I'm surprised, but

Speaker 5 I don't think I am. I don't think I'm surprised by this move.
because

Speaker 5 hey i know one thing i know one thing about this move it's gonna be exciting because ain't no telling what the hell finna happen no anytime james is in there ain't no telling and i can't i can't wait five and five ocho ain't not subway got the five and five yeah nah five touchdowns five and a seven

Speaker 5 what i was talking about when you left i said if he just if he's just consistent ocho the man's the number one pick in the draft for a reason he won a heisman trophy let his team go national champion

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 You can't turn it over, though, Ocho. Yeah, you're never going to be that great that you're going to overcome the amount of turnovers that he has.

Speaker 5 Remember last year, Ocho, what was that, a Thursday night game against the Broncos? He threw for damn near 500.

Speaker 5 But it was the pick six. It was the three turnovers that ended up undoing the great job that he had done.
Remember, Jerry Judy goes back, has 235 yards receiving. He and Jameis was cutting up.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And then Jameis

Speaker 5 they started housing him. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Ocho,

Speaker 5 the last guy we had on KC Conception, and there are some people in the chat kind of making fun of him. They're like, man, let everybody else talk.
In a situation like that,

Speaker 5 I had already gotten briefed that he has a speech impediment.

Speaker 5 And when he gets nervous or he gets anxious, he stutters, stutters. So that's why you heard him repeat himself a lot.

Speaker 5 But if you notice, Ocho, when we first started, he gave us one-word answers and go.

Speaker 5 And so instead of going, let you ask him something, let Joe ask something, I said, me let me get him comfortable

Speaker 5 Let me get him relaxed once he gets relaxed.

Speaker 5 He'll slow down He'll feel more comfortable because right every time he talks He thinks people are judging him So if you think somebody's judging him, what you gonna do?

Speaker 5 I'm not gonna talk on be recluse

Speaker 5 I'm gonna say as little as possible. Yeah, you're right and then

Speaker 5 He gonna clam up.

Speaker 5 But if you notice once we got him comfortable we started talking about cooking we started talking about things that he likes and he feel comfortable with you see I opened up and you couldn't even tell right so that's why we i kind of took the approach that i took and a lot of times yeah sometimes i'll let ocho because if it's somebody that like i know ocho knows i'll let ocho lead it off but in this situation i just felt instead of going back ping pong you know tennis and ping pong back and forth

Speaker 5 i just felt let me start it Let me get him comfortable. Somebody that had a speech impediment, still talks with a list, have a heavy cloakal southern dialect, let me make him comfortable.

Speaker 5 And if we can get him comfortable, we can get him to open up because it's hard to have an interview if a guy just continuously gives us one-word answers.

Speaker 5 So that's kind of why the approach that we took, the approach that we took tonight with this gentleman. But he did great.
Look forward for him to come in back.

Speaker 5 And once we started talking about, hey, he started cooking

Speaker 5 Valentine's Day.

Speaker 5 I just hope you got done what you needed to get done before you cooked that. Are you putting them heavy potatoes and steak of the system?

Speaker 5 She's going right to sleep.

Speaker 5 But I'm not, Ocho, I can't say that I'm surprised that Jameis is getting the start because you know why?

Speaker 5 Russ is not going to be there next year. They've already seen what Russ can do.

Speaker 5 Let's see if Jameis can give us that spark. Because that's what Jackson Dart did.
Jackson Dart came in and gave him a spark, Ocho. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Now, let's see. Let's see because they saw Russ come in and the offense just went in the tank.
The defense went in the tank. Everything just went to hell in a handbasket.

Speaker 5 They said, let's see if Jameis can give us a spark like he's done so many times before. He did it in New Orleans for a while.
He did it in Cleveland last year. So let's see if he can give us a spark.

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Speaker 5 OJo, Eagles quarterback Jaheir Alexander has stepped away from football and winning retirement as according to Diana Rossini.

Speaker 5 Alexander is 28 in his eighth professional season and is first away from the Packers, the team that drafted him 18th out of Louisville in 2018. On November 1st, the Ravens traded Alexander

Speaker 5 and a 2027 seventh-round pick to the Eagles for a 2026 sixth-round pick.

Speaker 5 Alexander played just two games for Baltimore before being moved, tallying five tackles ocho what's what's going on is uh you know you know is it injuries is it desire what what what what do you think combination

Speaker 11 i don't know i i don't know i'm gonna be honest with you when it comes to someone um

Speaker 11 that that i that i've always enjoyed watching like jair alexander understanding what he brings to the table as as a defender obviously i think injuries have hampered his career a little bit and it does and kind of derailed everything so i don't know what's going on with him mentally but it has to be something of that nature because getting the opportunity to play in the nfl and understanding that nfl stands for not for long you only get so much time you know and and each year is so precious as as years go by um it has to be something going wrong there may it may be maybe it's personal whatever it may may be uh i don't i don't want to speculate but if he needs to step away from the game to get his mind right to get his personal issues right, then so be it.

Speaker 11 I see that fit because that does come first. Football comes second to whatever you have going on in your life.

Speaker 11 So I hope he rectifies that situation expeditiously so he can get back on the field and we can get that same Jay Alexander we once saw down in Green Bay because he's a great talent.

Speaker 11 He's a great talent and a great fit for who he is now. So I hope he comes back at some point and is able to contribute defensively when those boys make that playoff push.

Speaker 5 What year? What year? What year is this for him? How many years has it been? Eight, eight?

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, he's only 28 years of age.

Speaker 11 Hey, DBs play a long time, Joe.

Speaker 11 They can play a long time

Speaker 5 if

Speaker 5 you got it. The thing is, as you start to get older, it's a mental grind because you know stuff.

Speaker 5 I mean, you know, you know, coverages, and you know, you know how to study film, you understand down and distance, you understand a position on the field.

Speaker 5 Uh, you understand, you know, you know, you understand tendencies, uh, uh,

Speaker 5 route combinations, wide receiver, how they lined up, OJo. So, you know all of that.

Speaker 5 But boy, this here got to be strong because it gets so monotonous. You hear the same thing.
That's what really, you know, for me, that's what kind of drove me away is that the monotony of it.

Speaker 5 I just couldn't,

Speaker 5 if maybe if I went to a different offense and I had to apply myself, but

Speaker 5 he's dealing with a knee injury.

Speaker 5 Joe, you know this. Ocho, you ain't never been injured, so you know.
Joe, you know this.

Speaker 5 When you're injured, there ain't nothing like there's nothing worse than being injured and trying to go play and then play at a level that people are accustomed to you playing at. Right.

Speaker 5 Because if the mind ain't right, the grind can't be tight. No, sir.
Because that's what the NFL, that's what pro sports is. It's a grind.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And if you hear LeBron, LeBron don't ever say anything about his body. He always talks about his mind.
He said, as long as I can keep my mind sharp, I can play 23, 24, 25 season.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Because them injuries parallel up, bro.

Speaker 5 They parallel. And

Speaker 5 you can't go out there and be the person who you

Speaker 5 know you really want to be because of these injuries, these knickknacks that you may have.

Speaker 5 And it hinders your game, man. It hinders your game and it takes the love away.
It takes the love away. It takes the love and passion away.

Speaker 5 And that's why a lot of guys retire early or they quit playing.

Speaker 5 It's not that they don't like football or basketball because the grind has become too much. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Especially if you, oh, Joe, if you're an elite player.

Speaker 5 See, if you're a special teams teams player or a player that, you know,

Speaker 5 you're the fourth corner,

Speaker 5 there ain't no expectations.

Speaker 5 But see, once you're here, like a Penny Hardaway.

Speaker 5 We got Penny up here.

Speaker 5 Like, man,

Speaker 5 I can't do this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You can't. Jai Alexander was an all-pro.
He's a Pro Bowl player, Ocho. Yeah.
And he got, and I'm like, ocho, something ain't right. I told you, I said, ocho, something ain't right.

Speaker 5 You can look at him and tell, I'm like, man, I don't watch this man. I watched this man come into the league.
He's one of the better corners. He looks like a shell of himself.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And when you watch yourself, if you watch yourself on tape, because sometimes you might not know it until you see it. Because we get a lot of times, don't show people like, I ain't say that.

Speaker 5 I ain't say that.

Speaker 5 Run the tape. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 11 That's me.

Speaker 5 I said that?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So you don't see yourself play in real time. You got to go back and watch the tape and you looking like,

Speaker 5 man, film don't lie.

Speaker 5 At all. The reason why film don't lie, the film don't know how much money you're making.
It don't know if you're black, if you white, you went to Notre Dame, you went to Savannah State.

Speaker 5 That's all it does. It captures what it's being focused on.
Man, what?

Speaker 5 And you can't, man, I did this. I did that.
Let me hit that rewind button. Yeah, but tell me what you want you.

Speaker 5 Hey, hey.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, Joe, what did you say? Oh, Joe, what did you say you did? Okay, here we go. Let's see.

Speaker 11 Let's watch it.

Speaker 5 Hey, it ain't nothing worse. It ain't nothing worse than that game, boy.
You get in there, and Coach got that clicker, and he rewinding this same play, and you and you, like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 like watching yourself on film, bro, and you look like some slough stir-fry out there, boy. Yes,

Speaker 5 nothing like that. Hey, look, I used to be in the game thinking, like, boy, I cannot look like no trash on film tomorrow.

Speaker 5 Same thing, Joe. I ain't gonna miss my assignments.
Yeah,

Speaker 5 we gotta win this game. Because if we lose this game, they're gonna show this film.
Lord, please let us, hey, John, please make a play. Let us come back.

Speaker 5 Because I don't want nobody to see. Because, boy,

Speaker 5 I was terrible.

Speaker 5 Hey, Sharp, what'd you do on this play?

Speaker 5 I think I got it. Nothing.

Speaker 5 Nothing. That's what Sharp did on this play.
Absolutely, totally nothing. That's what Sharp did.

Speaker 5 But it's tough. It's tough when you've been a really good player for a period of time and then injuries won't allow you to be that.

Speaker 5 People don't know you're injured. Let me tell you something else.
They don't give a damn if you're injured. All they know is

Speaker 5 they see Alexander on the back of that jersey.

Speaker 5 They saw Johnson on the back of that jersey. They saw Ocho Sinco on the back of that jersey.
They don't give a damn about you got an ankle or toe or knee or hip or back. They give a damn about that.

Speaker 5 You out there. I'm expecting you to make the same plays that I've seen you make time and time again for the last five, 10 years.
Make them now. Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 Absolutely right.

Speaker 5 Your teammates have the same expectations.

Speaker 5 And they put that, your teammates put that pressure on you. Hey,

Speaker 5 you'll be good to go Sunday, right?

Speaker 5 Damn, dude, it's Tuesday.

Speaker 5 Man, hey, hey, you know, A. And then the coaches, you know, we're going to put the game plan now.
We know we rely on you because we got you in the game plan.

Speaker 5 Y'all didn't have me in the game plan before I got hurt. Now you got me in the game plan.
Now, Ocho. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Now I'm in the game plan.

Speaker 5 But it's tough. I've been in Jair's shoes where I've been injured and knowing I'm hurt.
But all they see is 84 and they see Sharp on the back of that jersey. Yep.
But what they see

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Speaker 5 Owner Mark Cuban. Mavericks owner Patrick Dumont reportedly did not make the decision on his own.

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Speaker 5 Oh, Joe.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Let me let Joe take this one. Joe, what you thinking?

Speaker 5 Man, I think it's

Speaker 5 a tough situation for Nico. Nico is a guy who was once upon a time, Uncan Ocho.
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Speaker 5 Like,

Speaker 5 if I needed anything, that's who I call. So I know Nico on a real personal level.

Speaker 5 What he didn't anticipate is, obviously, Kyrie getting hurt, AD getting hurt, which I know AD got a history. What you mean you didn't anticipate AD getting hurt? He didn't.

Speaker 5 I mean, he wasn't thinking that. He wasn't.
Coach Joe.

Speaker 5 So let me get this straight. Your homeboy, he don't wreck 10 cars.
You let him get your car, man.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think.

Speaker 5 You're right. I think he was a little optimistic coming into it this season.
Like, man, understanding the backlash that we getting on Trey and Luca.

Speaker 5 Like, I'm thinking, I bet he thought that AD was going to

Speaker 5 come into camping in tip-top shape and ready to go. That didn't happen.
You got your two main guys, Kyrie, Terrorist, ACL. I mean,

Speaker 5 this is the worst thing that could happen. This is the worst thing that could happen.
So now you got Luke out here averaging 40 and the maverick best two players ain't even on the floor.

Speaker 5 Correct.

Speaker 5 And it's it's

Speaker 5 and considering like you said Kyrie gets hurt, AD's hurt, it's reported, it was reported that Nico was pushing for AD to come back from that calf.

Speaker 5 They're saying no because you can tear this Achilles, a la Kevin Durant.

Speaker 5 So there's like, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 Mark Cuban let it be known. He's like, look, I wouldn't have traded Luca, but at least if you're going to trade him, open it up.

Speaker 5 Let's see. Maybe we can get, I believe, he says, I believe we could have got more than what we got.
And they could have.

Speaker 11 Yeah. But I got a question, though.

Speaker 5 I got a question, Uncle O. Joe.
Why are they acting like Nico was the only one who made this decision?

Speaker 11 He's the fall guy, Joe.

Speaker 5 You know, I

Speaker 5 Hey, listen, I know probably going into this, Nico probably understood his position in this. You know what I mean? But it's like everybody just pointing the finger at Nico.

Speaker 5 Man, that's an organization. That man ain't just pulled the trigger.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he ain't just pulled no trigger and was like, you know, let's just trade, let's trade Luca. Like,

Speaker 5 they had to meet with all this. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 Listen, you could have had 100 meetings, huh? You could have had 100 meetings. You could have had 100 owners.
You could have had 100 GMs. I don't think anybody makes that call.

Speaker 11 I don't think anybody makes that trade. I don't care what the hell he do off the court.
I don't care what the hell he's drinking after you win a game. I don't care.
I don't care if you're 300 pounds.

Speaker 11 What do you do for me when you are on the court?

Speaker 11 What are you doing for me? What type of production are you putting up? Whatever that may be. He's a generational talent.
Talents of that magnitude come around every so often. Every so often.

Speaker 11 I don't think if you put any regular civilian in a position that even if you don't know basketball, I don't even know basketball like you and Joe.

Speaker 11 And I can Luca Luca and you have me in a position of power. I ain't even trading him because I know what he brings to the table.

Speaker 5 I'm not.

Speaker 11 You can see it. Even if you don't enjoy the game of basketball, oh, he's different.

Speaker 11 Oh, he gives me a chance.

Speaker 11 He just does.

Speaker 11 So now Nico's the fall guy. He's the fall guy because the green light has to come from somewhere else.

Speaker 11 The green light has to come from somewhere else.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 11 it's a power play that we don't understand that they do. Because I think it's bigger than what it really is.
It just hasn't come out yet. I still think it's bigger than what it is.

Speaker 5 At the end of the day,

Speaker 5 Joe, I don't know if you own any companies, but having here at Shay Shea Media,

Speaker 5 they make suggestions. Right.

Speaker 5 I said, okay, let's do it. If it doesn't work,

Speaker 5 that's on me.

Speaker 5 Because they suggested it. I could have said no.

Speaker 5 Same thing with CJ, same thing with Ash. They make suggestions.
Okay, I go with it. Some work, some don't.
That's on me. Because I got the final say.

Speaker 5 Okay, Nico made the suggestion. Right.

Speaker 5 But the owner had the final say.

Speaker 5 You don't get to say, see, you can't say yes. It it means no.
Ted Cruz taught me that. He said, A lot of times, people in Hollywood will say yes, but mean no.
You can't do that.

Speaker 5 Do you mind if you don't want to trade him? You can't say yes, and then he trades him, and you like no.

Speaker 5 It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 5 And if you're in the leadership position, you're the CEO. Yes, you have COOs and VPs and so forth and so on.
But

Speaker 5 if they make a recommendation and it doesn't go through, they had to get signed off from you

Speaker 5 if you sign off on it

Speaker 5 you gotta own it but matter of fact

Speaker 5 everything is not gonna work hold on the fact that it was even even

Speaker 11 recommended that's a fireball offense the fact that it was even recommended it was a fire fireball offense

Speaker 5 how

Speaker 11 how are you going how is you you how do you have your franchise going in the right direction by going backwards

Speaker 5 well you got to look at it like this.

Speaker 5 They had Luca sitting out some games for some time last year, Uncle Ocho. For the cap

Speaker 5 for his cap, and they wanted, and they gave him extra time because they wanted him to lose some weight.

Speaker 5 Throughout that process,

Speaker 5 none of that was working. Like, he wasn't losing weight.
None of that was working. I think...

Speaker 5 The fact that they see him every day, talk to him every day, understand his conditions and what he's going through. I think they just got fed up.

Speaker 5 If you just want me to be 100, I think they got fed up and they didn't think it was going to get better. They didn't.
No, they didn't think it was going to get better.

Speaker 5 This is what the owner said in February after the trade.

Speaker 5 If you look at the Grays in this league, people you know, I grew up with Jordan, Bird, Kobe, Shaq, they work really hard every day with a singular focus. And if you don't have that, it doesn't work.

Speaker 5 You shouldn't be a part of the Mavericks. That's what he said.

Speaker 5 Now all of a sudden hey listen, hold on, hold on, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 11 You ain't finna get that out and just go about your business, huh? You ain't gonna get that out.

Speaker 11 You're not gonna sit here and tell me that he watched Jordan and all those names that he just named and saying they didn't work hard.

Speaker 11 You understand their ability to work hard, the want to, is one of the reasons for the success. So what's the reason that Luke was able to go out there and do what he does?

Speaker 11 Because he doesn't work hard. You don't just wake up and do what he's doing out the blue.

Speaker 11 that comes from actual work that's hard work

Speaker 5 there's a reason he's still doing it now that he's gone he's not doing what he's doing now because he lost no goddamn weight he was doing it when it was heavy what are we talking about i i think i think with him i think with i will respectfully say joe he probably should have left shaq off that list but okay go ahead

Speaker 5 i think I think by Luca hearing all this, you know, because I'm sure he's heard all the rumblers and

Speaker 5 the weight loss. I think that obviously gave him a little fire going into the offseason, which is why he lost a little weight.
And he looks a lot slimmer coming into this season.

Speaker 5 And I think it's obviously helped him get off to this tremendous start that he's gotten off to.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But, you know, being in LA.
37 a game. Yeah,

Speaker 5 the market in L.A. is totally different from the market in Dallas.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 They ain't putting up with all that. You know, they ain't got nothing but mega stars over there.
And I think the thing is, this was a wake-up call for Luca. Because it sent shockwaves around the NBA.

Speaker 5 If you can trade a guy that's been a five-time all-NBA selection five times in his first six years, ain't nobody untouchable. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You heard Giannis say it, nobody's untouchable.

Speaker 5 But this is ownership because Nico Harrison is not making a move like this.

Speaker 5 It's just like when you trade. When you trade, when you move up, and you move up the draft, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, Kansas City, they were sitting at 17.
They zoom up to 10.

Speaker 5 So that means they're going to swap places with Buffalo, and they're going to give Buffalo their next year their 2019, 2018 first-round pick. Okay?

Speaker 5 You got to get the ownership.

Speaker 5 You got to get Clark Hunt to sign off on that. Now,

Speaker 5 Clark Hunt can't then say if Mahomes didn't turn out the way he did, well, you know,

Speaker 5 no, no, you gave them the green light to do this. If you didn't want to do it, don't do it.
Everybody get mad at general managers and head coaches, and I get it, I understand.

Speaker 5 But when you make moves like that, Chicago moving up one spot and giving up next year's first round to get Mitchell Trubisky, they had to go to

Speaker 5 rest the soul, Virginia McCasky to get that signed off on, OJ. Yeah,

Speaker 5 you know, you just can't, you just can't make a move like that. Ain't no general manager.

Speaker 5 Hell, even Pat Riley, he got to go to Mickey Arris. I'm sure he going to Mickey Arris and say, look here, Mickey.
Now, it's going to cost a little chunk of change now.

Speaker 5 But we can get LeBron and we can get Chris Bosch. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But it's going to cost us a little chunk of change now. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Go, go, go, get it.

Speaker 5 But you said yes, and you meant no. Well, it's too late.

Speaker 5 No returns, Ocho. Nah.
You got, hey, as is.

Speaker 5 Mark Cuban said at the time, I wouldn't have traded him. Mark Cuban said, if it came down to me getting divorced or keeping Luca, well, it's been nothing nice on you, babe.

Speaker 5 But Luca ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 11 It's comical, Don.

Speaker 5 It's comical.

Speaker 11 I mean,

Speaker 11 there's really nothing else I can say about it. I mean, the fact that it was even recommended.
Recommend who? Yeah, babe,

Speaker 11 if I was the owners over there in Dallas,

Speaker 11 I would have fired Nico for even recommending trading

Speaker 5 I'm just being honest.

Speaker 11 You know what? You fired.

Speaker 5 I can't say I disappointed. Yeah, man.
Come on.

Speaker 5 I can't say you wrong for that, OJo. I just think it's glaring right now because of how Luke was playing and how the Mavericks have kind of.

Speaker 5 And plus what you call not playing. A.D.'s not playing.
But like I said,

Speaker 5 Joe. AD, if you really think about it, AD's had one healthy season.
That's 2020 when they was in the bubble. And then what did did they get in between that, Joe? A five-month break.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 See, people forget about that, Ocho. They shut it down in February.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 So March, April, May, June, they didn't start playing. He got a five-month break.

Speaker 5 Other than that,

Speaker 5 it's his back, it's his shoulder, it's his calf, it's his ankle. So he has a history.

Speaker 5 AD's phenomenal. I'm not going to take anyway from him.
He's a 75th 75th anniversary. He's one of the 75, he was voted one of the 75 greatest players of all time.

Speaker 5 We used to have the discussion.

Speaker 5 Who would you rather have? Boogie Cousins or Anthony Davis? Just like that's how good Boogie was.

Speaker 11 Boogie was nice, boy.

Speaker 5 But he's had an injury history. That is not conjecture.
That's not innuendo. That's not speculation.
That is fact.

Speaker 5 And you traded a guy, even though he had never been injured, but that one time, for for a guy that's repeatedly injured.

Speaker 5 He's a repeat offender. He's a repeat offender when it comes to injury.

Speaker 5 So I'm confused. Now, if you trade him saying, okay, give me Giannis.
Okay, give me Ant-Man. Okay, you get

Speaker 5 Shay. I get it.
Now, I don't think any of those

Speaker 5 reported they reached out to, I think

Speaker 5 they reached out to Milwaukee and I think they reached out to

Speaker 5 Minnesota. No, no.
Okay. Okay, SGA.

Speaker 5 OKC is not doing that. But

Speaker 5 a guy that has an injury history, and I think, AD, when he's healthy, he's one of the 10 best players in the NBA.

Speaker 5 He could defend.

Speaker 5 He could block. He could

Speaker 5 give you 25 and 13 on a nightly basis. Give you two and a half, three blocks a game.

Speaker 5 Ultra shots. But he's had a history of injuries.

Speaker 5 And that's what Dallas is banking on. You know, they went to the finals that year, Arkan Ocho, led by Luca and Kyrie, but

Speaker 5 they had inside presence defensively with Lively and Gafford, but they didn't get no points.

Speaker 5 No, no, no. They didn't have a big who can give them points.

Speaker 5 When I look at it, they wouldn't have got AD because they're like, damn, he'll be a great post-presence, mid-presence presence, a great pick and roll guy.

Speaker 5 Offensively, on the playoffs, he can average 30 easily. you know what i mean

Speaker 5 i think that's what they were thinking and obviously it just didn't pan out the way that that they thought it would but hard to say though joe okay we get ad as an inside present we got a guy that we can dump the ball down to and he's gonna get his own shots i want that with luca

Speaker 5 not without luca that you won't go you won't gonna get that you won't get that

Speaker 11 some got to give

Speaker 5 that's that's why they kept kyrie i think they banked on kyrie being that guy who's going to be, you know, it's going to be a great two-man game between Kyrie and AD.

Speaker 5 And unfortunately,

Speaker 5 we never got to see it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 And you probably that, you know, you hear all the rumblers now that the Mavericks are looking to trade AD.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 11 once those Rumblings start, you already know.

Speaker 5 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 11 You already know.

Speaker 5 Well, it's going to make it look even worse.

Speaker 5 The trade is going to look even. It already looks bad.
And everybody thought it was bad. Nobody thought this was a good trade, but Nico and Dumont.

Speaker 5 That was the only people that thought it looked this was a good trade. Who thought this was? I haven't heard anybody

Speaker 5 that thought this was a good trade except Nico and Dumont at the time. Clearly, he's having, you know, buyers remorse.

Speaker 11 I don't even think they thought it was a good trade.

Speaker 5 They had to, because they did.

Speaker 11 They had to come out and say it. And I know they, and in the back of their mind, like, you know what?

Speaker 5 This ain't right. Something ain't right.

Speaker 11 I done put my foot in my mouth.

Speaker 11 You knew good and goddamn well what you was letting go. You knew it wasn't going to look no different, whether it was 200 pounds or 300 pounds.
You knew he was giving you a 30.

Speaker 5 Like I said, look, I think AD, when AD is healthy and he playing, because I've watched him. Go look at AD

Speaker 5 when he was the guy.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 the Pelicans.

Speaker 5 Give you 28, 12, and 3.

Speaker 11 Nasty work.

Speaker 5 That was a long time ago, though.

Speaker 5 But that's what I'm saying. When he was healthy, had boogie.
Because, see, he wants to play. See, AD don't want to bang.
Yeah, he don't want to play four. Now,

Speaker 5 he'll play the five the last five minutes of the ball game. Because that's what they did.
Because think about it, Joe. He had his best season win with the Lakers.
JaVale McGee, Dewy Howard.

Speaker 5 They would come in and play the five. They did all the grunt work.
They did all the leg work. Last five minutes of the game.
Guess what? He slides to the five. LeBron slides to the four.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That's when he did, that's, that's when he did his work.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I just,

Speaker 5 the trade didn't make sense to me.

Speaker 5 Because, hold on, you're giving up a guy, you say, because Luke is not in shape and he's injured, but he's five, six years younger than AD. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He's five, six years younger.

Speaker 5 And he can, he can give you the point. He can give you more points.

Speaker 5 He can rebound. And he can assist.
he could get he could triple he can walk you triple double is he as efficient as ad no because he's taking you know 10 11 12 step back threes a game yes sir

Speaker 5 but he i mean when he cooking you ain't gonna find very many guys only only will yeah could give you a 60 point a 60 20 triple double and that's what he did

Speaker 5 i i just don't i don't get Why, you know, look, I get it. Like Ojo said,

Speaker 5 I'd have fired him for making that suggestion. Let me get your ass out of here.
How dare you come in my office talking about trade Luca? What the hell?

Speaker 5 As a matter of fact, I'm finna trade you for another gene.

Speaker 5 The Lakers were willing to offer Clay Thompson a four-year $80 million deal, but he took a pay cut to go play with Luca

Speaker 5 in Dallas per the Athletic.

Speaker 5 The Lakers and Thompson discussed a four-year $80 million deal in free agency that, if the Warriors cooperated and assigned a trade, would have dwarfed the three-year $50 million deal that he got from the Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 5 But But eventually, the Mavericks gave him $50 and he took that. But the allure of Lucas' greatness was a major pull and as a chance to partner with Irving in the backcourt.

Speaker 5 When given the choice between teaming up with Lakers duo, Davis and LeBron, or the Maverick stars, Thompson made a calculated decision to go with the latter.

Speaker 5 Little did he know the star player would swap and leave him for the wrong end of history. Oh, Joe.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 If you go back and study history,

Speaker 5 Joe, Joe, Kyrie,

Speaker 5 what is his history? Injury. Injuries.

Speaker 5 Injuries. The one thing we know about LeBron, now he got, once he started getting to 19 and 20, he started getting these little knick-knack

Speaker 5 growing. You know what I'm saying? If you notice,

Speaker 5 very rarely will you see LeBron James dive on the floor again.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Did that one time and you know, hey,

Speaker 5 as you get older, you ain't got the elasticity. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 Even though I drink water, I ain't got the elasticity that I had on a muscle once upon a time.

Speaker 5 You know, your boy, hey, you know, your boy, you know, hey,

Speaker 5 I'm just saying, that's how you want it, you know. Cars, you know, Cars was our, you know, was our bedroom back in the day, Joe.
You know what I'm saying? You know, you know what to talk about.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I mean, and Clay has been impacted because he's been playing terrible this year. I mean, he's awful.
He's shooting 18% from three. I think he's shooting around 30% from the two.

Speaker 5 He's just,

Speaker 5 yeah, man, you got a rookie playing the point guard who.

Speaker 5 Come on, man. He ain't no point.

Speaker 5 76.8 don't mean he magic. Yeah, so like he's not going to understand.

Speaker 5 I'm saying Cooper Flag with him playing the one, he's not going to understand how to, you know, really get Clay the ball to get him, to really get him shots because he's trying to prove that he's the number one pick.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? But you can see they kind of moved him to the side a little bit and they brought in

Speaker 5 the russell. They should have.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think it's good, too.

Speaker 5 I like to see Cooper fill the lanes and be able to play like that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, play with his back to the basket. He can drive the ball.
You know, you put it. Hey, you can do it.
But the point guard, he should never primarily have the ball in his hand, Joe.

Speaker 5 Nah, that's not what he is. Not unless he gets a rebound and he pushing up the other side of that.

Speaker 5 Don't add that you're big taking it out, giving it to Cooper Cooper Flag so he can bring it up to initiate the offense. Oh, yeah, no, I agree with you on that.

Speaker 5 He's not a big you can play through, Jokic. You can play through, yes, you can run your offense through.
Draymond, you can run your offense through. That's not who Cooper Flag is.

Speaker 5 You got to know what you got. I understand he's the first pick in the draft.
And a lot of times you have these ideas. Oh, I see him doing this.
I see him doing that.

Speaker 5 But that's you didn't see him do that at Duke. Right.

Speaker 5 That's not what he did.

Speaker 5 You, and now you get so. Now,

Speaker 5 you take this dinner napkin and you try to make it a tablecloth. You see what you did, Ocho? It's a dinner napkin.
Yeah. You try to make it a tablecloth.
Let it do what it do. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, boy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But Clay, like, man, y'all got me down here in Dallas, but I ain't too mad. You know, I got something.

Speaker 5 Hello. Hello.

Speaker 5 I ain't too bad. I ain't too bad.
Dallas been okay to me. That's just me.
me. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Made my basketball game, but there are more important things in life than basketball. Just say it.

Speaker 11 Hey, that's funny.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, before we go to the next topic, is holiday season. And the team at Iso Joe Foundation and Nightcap want

Speaker 5 you to help our community and make sure everyone can enjoy a wonderful Thanksgiving. Please donate $40 to feed a family of 10 with a full Thanksgiving meal at all the sides.
No one should go hungry.

Speaker 5 The link is pinned in the chat. Joe, tell us about how you came up with this idea.

Speaker 5 Man, me and my team got together and we just wanted to, you know, do something special for the families who may not have a great Thanksgiving, you know, this this upcoming Thanksgiving.

Speaker 5 So we thought this would be a great, you know, small token of our appreciation. And we got, we already got people making donations, Uncle Ocho.

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 5 these feasts, these dinners, because that's typically what it is. It's $40 to feed 10 people.
To feed 10 people. Really? That's it?

Speaker 5 $40 to feed 10 people. And we already got people making donations.
So all you got to do is go to www.isofoundation.org.

Speaker 5 And all you got to do is donate $40, bro. You can feed 10 people.

Speaker 5 Nah, I'm going to do better than that. Ocho.
Ocho, you're going to match.

Speaker 5 I got 10. I'm going to send you 10K.

Speaker 5 Oh, all right. Hell, if $40 can feel 10, I don't know how many, my math ain't good at the top of my head right now, but

Speaker 5 I want people to have a very festive Thanksgiving. I want people, I don't want people to be hungry.
I want people to look, I understand times are hard right now. Everything that's going on with,

Speaker 5 and I can't do anything about what's going on up in DC. Right.
That's easier. All I can do is, how many can we feed?

Speaker 5 We can feel 250.

Speaker 5 I appreciate that. I think

Speaker 5 this

Speaker 5 feed 500. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 11 Hey, hey,

Speaker 11 my mad thing, right? Joe, hey, how much that is, huh?

Speaker 5 I feed 250, you feed 250, so 10 for me, 10 for you.

Speaker 11 I need to understand. I need numbers.

Speaker 11 I need to hear numbers so I get a better understanding how much we're talking about.

Speaker 5 10K feeds 250 families.

Speaker 11 Yeah, hey, Joe, I'm going to send over the sum to you, Joe.

Speaker 5 I'm sending you tears, Joe. You have buying.
You have buying tomorrow. I appreciate that.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 11 Hey, Joe, I'm here.

Speaker 11 Hey, I'm going to get you right, Joe.

Speaker 5 No, hell no. That's about

Speaker 5 Ocho, donate that $5,900. Hell no, he ain't going to donate no $5,900.
That's mine.

Speaker 11 Hey, Joe, hey, where the link at?

Speaker 5 You got to go to

Speaker 5 www.isofoundation.org.

Speaker 11 Hey, baby.

Speaker 11 www.bebe

Speaker 11 iso.

Speaker 5 www.isofoundation.org.

Speaker 11 Isofoundation.org.

Speaker 5 Hey, Ocho. Yeah.
You ain't even got to worry about that little hundred dollars you owe me neither, man. You just

Speaker 5 don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it.
You're going to

Speaker 5 www. Get lumped up if you don't pay all his money.

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 let me know you find it. Hey, hey, send them.
Yeah, you found it? Hey, hey, donate, donate for Thanksgiving real quick.

Speaker 11 Doing righteous something with three zeroes.

Speaker 5 Boy, that's what I'm talking about. Hey, boy, y'all, I don't care what they say about y'all.
Boy, y'all, I hate with me. You hear me?

Speaker 11 Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I got you. Listen,

Speaker 11 I'm all about helping. I'm all about feeding families.
You hear me? Because I

Speaker 11 got something.

Speaker 5 Hey, look, Otro, whenever y'all got something jumping off, y'all let your boy know. Hey, look, I got you.
You hear me?

Speaker 11 Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You got a black suit, Joe. Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 My money don't come in by the new year. You're going to be attending one.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I'm going to feed the families. You know what I'm saying? You know, what babe? You know, you go to the Passover, you know, you get a nice, get your nice meal.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Hey, what? You're trying. You're going to kill me?

Speaker 5 Babe, you're going to be $5,900 for two years, man.

Speaker 5 Come on, crazy.

Speaker 11 Hey, I got child support.

Speaker 11 I'll be hiding a little bit. I'll be hiding a little bit.
You know, I was just trying to catch up. You feel me? You know, work with your boy, man.
Work with your boy.

Speaker 5 Man, that's crazy, man.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm sure. Hey, look, I sure appreciate y'all, though.
I sure appreciate y'all.

Speaker 5 Them families are going to appreciate y'all too, man. Oh, yeah, yeah.
We want everybody to get some, you know.

Speaker 5 I sure hope it ain't just one scoop of mashed potatoes, one scoop of dressing, Joe. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 5 It's gonna feed 10. Nah, nah, nah.
We're gonna do them right. We're gonna have them right.
Okay,

Speaker 5 appreciate that. Damn.

Speaker 5 Yeah. It worked.

Speaker 5 What?

Speaker 11 No, she.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's working.

Speaker 5 My link working too.

Speaker 11 Hold on, I'm sitting. I'm sitting, huh?

Speaker 5 My link worked too.

Speaker 11 Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 Hey, what's your link, though, huh?

Speaker 5 WWW, you're gonna get F'd up if you don't play Uncle's money.

Speaker 11 I got you. I got you.
Hey, hey, hey, you got to understand the importance of what the citizens is Thanksgiving. It's all about giving back.
You know, a lot of people that are just starving.

Speaker 11 We don't want them to starve. See, you're not hurting for that $5,900.

Speaker 5 I'm hurting.

Speaker 11 You're in a good space.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, I'm hurting.

Speaker 5 I'm hurting.

Speaker 5 I'm hurting.

Speaker 5 Nobody knows.

Speaker 5 Nobody knows.

Speaker 5 Hey,

Speaker 11 hey, one thing about it, boy, ain't never as bad as it seemed.

Speaker 5 Yo, hell no.

Speaker 11 It ain't never that. But what we lose, we will always get back.

Speaker 11 I give it six more months, but we're going to be right back.

Speaker 5 All I'm saying is just, hey, all I do is ask the Lord to give me an A, wake me up in the morning.

Speaker 11 That's it.

Speaker 5 That's all I need. That's it.
Man. He done gave me the tools.

Speaker 5 He done gave me the weapons to go fight any war.

Speaker 11 Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 When he wake me up in the morning. That's all I need.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, Paul Pierce says he's taking the Morris twins over the Jokic brothers in a street fight. Joe? Street fight? Ooh.

Speaker 5 One of them like 6, 10, 400.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you know, that don't mean nothing in the street.

Speaker 5 I don't know if he can. He got to be able to move with all that.
Yeah, because that's what they said. They said, man, he ain't got no cardio.

Speaker 5 I briefly heard him talking about it.

Speaker 5 I heard him briefly talking about it.

Speaker 5 But hold on. One of them an MMA fighter.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 One of the Jokic brothers.

Speaker 11 Yokic brothers.

Speaker 5 And the one thing you know about MMA fighter, they normally, even their big Ocho, they normally got some decent cardio now.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they got a little decent cardio, you know, a little ground game. You know, they don't, they don't play fair.
They don't play fair. And especially

Speaker 11 with anybody with any kind of combat, combat training,

Speaker 11 I mean, it gives them an advantage over any regular civilian that thinks.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. And 610, 400? Yeah, that's a big boy.

Speaker 11 That's a big boy. That's a big one.
Nah.

Speaker 11 You know, I had the chance to film it today.

Speaker 11 Ilya Ili Toporia.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 Ilya Toporia. Okay.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We filmed today down here in Spain.
And of course, my crazy ass, I asked him if he want to spar.

Speaker 11 And when I asked him when he wanted to spar, he didn't show me the highlights of all his knockouts. Man, he didn't, hey, he done not, he didn't knock down, you know, brother Max Holloway.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Oh,

Speaker 5 he got crazy hands, OJo.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you ain't had to tell me.

Speaker 11 You ain't had to tell me.

Speaker 5 So you ain't want none of that smoke.

Speaker 11 Yeah, after I seen, after I seen the highlights they showed me, I'm like, nah, you know, you know, listen,

Speaker 11 we're going to do the work we need to do right now. But yeah, I changed my mind.

Speaker 5 I don't want to spawn. No,

Speaker 11 I'm thinking because he's a little small.

Speaker 5 I'm like, man, what? Man, I, man, I.

Speaker 5 But he's talking about he can, nah, he's talking about he wants to fight a bug.

Speaker 5 I'm like, bro, you, you, hey, look, I understand you, MMA, but MMA boxing and pro boxing is two different things. Ask Connor McGregor.

Speaker 5 Now, he caught Floyd on the tail end. Imagine he caught Floyd five years earlier.
Man, Floyd toy with that boy. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Hey, he let him get in them deep waters, Joe.

Speaker 5 Yeah, let him get tired. Punch himself out.

Speaker 11 Go ahead, punch yourself out, get tired, and I'm going to catch you on the back end.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Now, hey, hey, the one thing I say about the Morris Brothers, now, they ain't going to back down from no action. No, no, they ain't.

Speaker 5 Hey, once I found out they fought the football team, I like, okay, they real. What football team? Kansas? And Kansas, yeah.

Speaker 11 What you mean they fought the football team?

Speaker 5 They fought the football team, the whole team of a few players, a bunch of them.

Speaker 5 Okay,

Speaker 5 the mere fact that they did that, because I ain't never heard of a basketball team because that would have never happened at state, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, they want them problems

Speaker 5 as a matter of fact. Normally, don't nobody want them problems unless you come from the city.
Now, you know, sometimes, you know, we they guys got the squabbling with people out the city.

Speaker 5 That's a whole different out, that's a whole different animal, right? And you know, we try to contain that because

Speaker 5 me, I got the car that everybody knows. I can't be out there, you know, you know, because you know your boy, oh, you know, your boy back then, Ocho.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 I was well here. I was well.

Speaker 5 You used to be in there with your shirt off and everything in the spot. No, no, no, no, no.
No, I wasn't. I didn't go to no parties, Joe.
But you know, I'm saying, I'm at the car washer.

Speaker 5 I'm at the barbershop. You know, I had to pull up, you know, late at night.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You know, but then

Speaker 5 I got a

Speaker 5 300 ZX sky blue and I got a 300 beans

Speaker 5 Yeah, I had a brother play in the league you think he gonna leave. Oh, I got Izard I got Levi's like man I feel you

Speaker 5 I got polo dark ciders

Speaker 5 for sure Well, you were clean huh

Speaker 5 You had all that in college and a cat like me have about two pairs of jeans.

Speaker 5 I went to college with two brown red pygmy wiggly bags. Two brown piggy wiggly bags and everything I wanted it.

Speaker 11 I had one.

Speaker 5 My brother making a little money.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And you know, touchdown was $200.

Speaker 5 $100 yard game was $200.

Speaker 5 And I have 200 yards and four touchdowns. Oh, Joe, you don't know how much money that is?

Speaker 11 A lot. That's a lot.
Listen, in college at that time,

Speaker 11 boy, hey, make you feel rich. You hear me?

Speaker 5 I was.

Speaker 5 Go back to, think about it. 1988, how much $1,000 was.
$1,000 to a college kid.

Speaker 11 What?

Speaker 5 That was lying.

Speaker 11 You talk about 1988. Boy, you know what I could do with $1,000 a day?

Speaker 5 Not pay me.

Speaker 5 But yeah,

Speaker 5 but look, hey, I'm telling you now, DeBars DeMars Twin ain't backing down from no action now.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I don't know if anybody ain't nobody doing no really no street fights no more if they don't have to. Nah.
Nah.

Speaker 5 Hey,

Speaker 5 people firing you up or poking you.

Speaker 5 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 Ain't no more fair. It's a fight.
Wait a minute. Ain't fight fair.
Nah. It's a fight.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 This ain't no street fights ain't sanctioned.

Speaker 5 Bust over the head with a bottle.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 DeMarcus cousins say the Pelicans need to relocate. It was five, it was times five, six years ago, especially in New Orleans.
You go to the, there's 36 people there. Courtside was $25.

Speaker 5 Damn. Blow it up.
Move on. There are no fans.
Joe?

Speaker 5 Man, you know what? He probably got a point. Uncle Ocho.

Speaker 11 No, we don't have no point, Joe. Come on, that don't do that.

Speaker 5 Where are they going to go to? Because

Speaker 5 they're looking at bringing a team to Seattle and they're bringing a team to to Vegas.

Speaker 5 They got, hey, look, they need one in Vegas, boy.

Speaker 5 That thing will be jumping in Vegas. Y'all already know it.
Yeah, for sure. Because

Speaker 5 they already got football. They got a hockey.
They got a WNBA. They got the A's that's relocated from Oakland that's coming here in about two years.
So, and now they have an MBA.

Speaker 5 So they have the big five. Yeah.
Y'all know basketball is going to be there soon. Yeah.
Yeah, for sure. Absolutely.

Speaker 11 I don't think it'd be the Pelicans. You know what they need to do?

Speaker 5 No, hell no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 They want a new team. They want somebody to spend about three, four, five billion.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, it'd be the expansion team. But for the Pelicans, right? And with the markets talk about with them, talk about the court size seats with $25.
Winning cures all.

Speaker 11 Winning cures all, you know. And the people of New Orleans, they deserve to have a sports team, whether it be the Saints or whether it be the Pelicans.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 11 to get the people to come out, you got to be able to win. You got to put the product on the court.

Speaker 5 Well, you had AD, he wanted out. Zion doesn't want to be there.
So it's hard. It's hard to keep a star if you get a superstar and he doesn't want to stay.
Yeah, you're right. You're right.

Speaker 5 They got some decent talent over there, but it just ain't enough to be. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 5 Not with OKC. Them young boys, the oldest guy, 26, 27.

Speaker 5 They ain't going nowhere anytime soon.

Speaker 5 You got Wimby and that squad in San Antonio. They're not going anywhere anytime soon.
And now you got the Rockets with KD, you got Shingoon, you got Thompson.

Speaker 5 Man, please.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 guys just don't, the guys don't want to be there. I mean, they come and they don't want to stay.
They want to be in bigger markets. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Zion, I guarantee you, if it asked, put Zion on a lot of techniques test, he would have rather gone three and gone to New York as opposed to going number one and going to New Orleans. Right.

Speaker 5 I believe it.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 it is what it is. I mean, just, I don't, I don't know if Miss Benson is going to move it.

Speaker 5 I don't think she will.

Speaker 5 I don't.

Speaker 5 Probably not. The Saints are there,

Speaker 5 and I mean, you could. Because

Speaker 5 they own the Saints and the Saints also, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, my late husband.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they ain't moving that.

Speaker 5 So,

Speaker 5 all right, Joe, let me know what you think about this.

Speaker 5 The NBA announced its long-awaited plans to overhaul the All-Star game, laying out how the new United States, once again, versus the world format, will go and how teams will be formed.

Speaker 5 Going to a three-team format featuring eight-man rosters, two of which will be made up of American players and the third of international players. There will no longer be any position requirements.

Speaker 5 Wow. In the past, starters have been made up of two back court players and three

Speaker 5 front court players, with the reserves being the same split plus two wild cards. This year, though, the starters will be formed of the top five vote getters regardless of positions.

Speaker 5 And the reserve will be the top seven regardless of positions. As a seven-time all-star Joe, what do you think about this?

Speaker 5 They trying to do whatever they can to spice the All-Star weekend back up, to get people excited, to get people to tune in, obviously.

Speaker 5 But, man, if you're going to have all the foreigner guys, what are we talking about? Luca Shea,

Speaker 5 Luca,

Speaker 5 Shea, Giannis, Wimby, Jokic, Jokic. That's five.
Those are your top five players right there. They are international.
We're going to be in some trouble.

Speaker 5 Your top five players are all international. Tell me an American player that's better than the five I just named.
I'll wait.

Speaker 5 You're going to be in some trouble. But the problem is, I don't care what you do.
If the guys don't want to play hard, they're not going to play. The guys don't want to play it anymore.

Speaker 5 So you got to put in some incentives, man. You got to put some incentives in for them for them dudes to come out and compete at a high level.

Speaker 5 So these guys are making $50 and $60 million, and I got to incentivize it. Yeah, they spoiled.
They spoiled, huh? Absolutely. They spoiled.
Absolutely. Yeah, they spoiled.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you do.

Speaker 5 They've done a huge disservice.

Speaker 5 Kobe, I mean, Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan probably just shaking his head.
That's probably why he don't even go no more. Michael Jordan didn't even go to the All-Star game.

Speaker 5 Kobe would, Kobe, Kobe, rest his soul. Ain't no way in hell Kobe Bryant would show up to that.

Speaker 5 Ain't no way.

Speaker 5 The old guard, like, I say the same thing. I said the same thing about the Pro Bowl.
I remember saying that. I said, they're going to cut this out.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, you went with the Pro Bowl. Now, we didn't tackle like it was a playoff game or a regular season game, but we did tackle.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 And when that fourth cutter, when that fourth quarter came, now they're going to now we get down to the nitty-gritty.

Speaker 5 Cause we try to get that little 10, Joe, little 10,000.

Speaker 11 We need that. That's how much we played.

Speaker 5 The winners got 10,000.

Speaker 5 The winners got 10, the losers got five. You brought five people.

Speaker 5 That's all your money.

Speaker 5 Hotel room. And to feed them.

Speaker 5 Trust me, I already know. I already know.

Speaker 5 Man, Time, Tyne

Speaker 5 took his family. Time, bought lunch, meat, bread, time, went to the grocery store.

Speaker 5 Uh-uh. I ain't doing this.

Speaker 5 Time, no. Literally, Ty

Speaker 5 had like two gallons of milk. Yo, Ty

Speaker 5 had sandwiches. Time said, uh-uh.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Add up quick, boy.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I really wasn't taking nobody. I was taking my coaches.
I would take my position coach and his wife, their wives.

Speaker 5 So, you know, my position coach coached me. He'd be going somewhere else.
I fly him in.

Speaker 5 So my sister didn't want to go. She had already done gone like twice with my brother.
She's like, nah, I'm done with it. I ain't want to go no more.

Speaker 5 So most of the time I'm going by myself or, you know, and then I take my coaches and

Speaker 5 the wives out to eat. And then basically it was just, you know, me hanging out with the guys.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But that nah, you know, I sure wish I could go back and play play again, Ocho. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But it ain't even the Hawaii no more, so it ain't no fun.

Speaker 11 There's no excitement to making the Pro Bowl now.

Speaker 11 Because you make it and you're going right to Orlando.

Speaker 5 God, hell no.

Speaker 11 When you made the Pro Bowl back then,

Speaker 11 it was a privilege.

Speaker 5 It was a big deal, man. You're going to Hawaii, you're going to get some pineapple, you're going to get the Mai Tai, the blue Hawaii.
You're going to eat them wings with that branch dressing.

Speaker 11 Hey, all I remember, all I remember, I don't know if anybody in Hawaii might see this. The French toast at the Ihilani Hotel.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Second to none.

Speaker 11 I ain't had nothing. The closest thing I've had that was just as good as that is the French toast I ate in Montreal at a restaurant called La Avenue.

Speaker 11 Those two places, the best French toast I'd have ever had, man.

Speaker 5 They got some French toast at the Beverly Wilshire.

Speaker 5 Right there on

Speaker 5 right there on Wilshire and Riddell Drive.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And boy, they got some French Ocho.
And they got a croissant. Right.
Croissant.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Hey.

Speaker 5 I see the Jackrabbit beat a German shepherd up just to get a bite of it.

Speaker 5 Whipty.

Speaker 11 Hey, Ben Wilson, that's over there with the rich folks, ain't it?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 They got a place in

Speaker 5 New York with pancakes. I want to go.

Speaker 5 I forget the name of it. But I see the French toast that Rock be eating.
His shelf be making us a French toast. That bread this thick.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I said, damn, is that a loaf of bread or what?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I like French toast.

Speaker 5 Y'all ate like that on game days, Uncle O'Joe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, game day.
You know what I'm saying? You got to realize, Joe,

Speaker 5 we played at 2 o'clock. I would eat breakfast.
I'll be eating breakfast at 9. I wouldn't eat again until after the game, which would be about 5.36.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But it wouldn't be like nothing heavy.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No,

Speaker 11 I would eat like French toast with bananas, uh uh egg whites and uh an oatmeal yeah i joke i joke i get my same my same mcdonald's uh meals before every game even if we were playing on the road i would have somebody um i would have somebody bring it for me just hot cakes with sausage and a large orange juice that's it real simple

Speaker 5 yeah

Speaker 5 but uh

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 it's not the same. Guys don't take it seriously anymore.
And really, the only thing that's the same is the all-star game in baseball.

Speaker 5 How do you have fast baseball? You got to throw 95,

Speaker 5 you know, you got to, you know, change up sliders, you know. And there's something on the line.
I mean, whoever

Speaker 5 didn't, it's still an all-star game. Whoever wins the all-star game, it gets home field.
Gets

Speaker 5 baseball. That's still the same.
And see, yeah, like I said, these guys, they didn't want to play anymore, even though they increased the money.

Speaker 5 It went to 25, and I think now it's probably like 50,000, 80,000 for the winners at the Pro Bowl. Damn.

Speaker 5 That's because, hey, look, All-Star Weekend guys be, it's like a vacation for real, but they know they got to come out and play. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yes.

Speaker 5 I used to watch it. I used to look forward to it.
Man, I watched Jordan imagine them how they go at it. Oh, man.
Kobe.

Speaker 5 They used to play. Oh, Joe, we used to play, we tackle.
It wasn't no 45, no 45, 41 ball game. Please.

Speaker 11 Listen, hey, Joe, it was competitive. It was competitive.
Listen, we go out.

Speaker 5 I used to watch it, man. They used to have have a lot of festivities for the Pro Bowl and all that with the quarterback duels and all that.
They still do all that, Uncle Ocho.

Speaker 4 Nah.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, they basically now they have like

Speaker 5 dodge ball. They have the quarterbacks trying to hit that moving target.
They have they have some stuff, but the fun stuff.

Speaker 5 I mean, look, we joked around it practicing stuff like that because, you know, I remember one year. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to think what it was.
That was a 96 season.

Speaker 5 So it was 96 season, but it was the 97 Pro Bowl Ocho.

Speaker 5 So we go out there, like, I think it's that Friday.

Speaker 5 So Junior, Junior say I'll Cortez. Junior, like, man, hey, let me, I want to play.
I want to play tight end. Okay.
Hell, here, here you go. So he goes to tight end.
I go to linebacker.

Speaker 5 Cortex, man, Tom Carlson looked around.

Speaker 5 Take it in.

Speaker 5 Well, nothing gonna get done that day.

Speaker 5 But come game. Hey, come Sunday.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah, they're finna play now.

Speaker 5 Are we finna play?

Speaker 11 Yeah, y'all, y'all.

Speaker 5 Bruce, Tez. Oh, that game close? Yeah, Bruce and Texas Brucey and DT, rest his soul.
Yeah, they're getting off that ball.

Speaker 5 They getting off that ball.

Speaker 5 Then with the day that ain't like that no more, OJo. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 Man,

Speaker 11 time to change.

Speaker 5 Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

Speaker 5 huh what's up uh i'm going to my first oh aaron owens what's up uh i'm going to my first nascar race next year at the coca-cola 600 who's your favorite driver all time and your favorite nascar memory wow

Speaker 5 my favorite

Speaker 5 Hold on,

Speaker 5 I like a lot. I like a lot of NASCAR guys.
I grew up kind of watching Richard Penny and Dale Earnhardt, but I would probably have to say my favorite is Jeff Gordon.

Speaker 5 I did an appearance with Jimmy Johnson, the 48 Lowe's car, but the 24 DuPont.

Speaker 5 But you know, I grew up way back when they had Harry Gant and all those guys, the Allison boys,

Speaker 5 Kale Yarborough, Yarlborough, Sterling Marlin,

Speaker 5 Awesome Bill from Dawsonville.

Speaker 5 Probably my favorite memory

Speaker 5 when,

Speaker 5 who was it? Was it? I think it was Bobby Allison

Speaker 5 and Kale Yarborough wrecked.

Speaker 5 And I think it was Daryl Waltrip

Speaker 5 or Richard Petty that ended up winning.

Speaker 5 The 79 Daytona 500.

Speaker 5 They crashed each other.

Speaker 5 I think it was Bobby Allison

Speaker 5 because it was two brothers, Bobby and Donnie.

Speaker 5 But I think

Speaker 5 Bobby Allison and Kale Yarborough end up wrecking each other. And either Richard Petty or Daryl Waltrip ended up winning.

Speaker 5 Richard Petty drove Dodge the STP car.

Speaker 5 Uh-uh. No, 1979.

Speaker 5 Dirt Daytona.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 Man, Ash, you don't remember that?

Speaker 11 I remember that. I was there.

Speaker 5 God, dang, Ash, I thought you remember that. That was minus 17.

Speaker 5 But I think it was 79. Tino Davis said, Payne needs to apologize from everybody that was bashing him.
And AJ's situation seemed personal and mental. I hope he's okay.

Speaker 5 Hey, Tino, you heard me apologize. I owe the man an apology.
I owed one to Javon Kinlaw, too.

Speaker 5 And I gave it to him because I believe as loud as I was in saying that he was wrong, I should be just as loud and apologize

Speaker 5 because that man what uh uh he said it they said it that he just didn't swing like he said he DM'd me and sent me the video also so

Speaker 5 that was 79 wasn't it

Speaker 5 it sounds like it wasn't like a notable yeah it was day 2500 1979

Speaker 5 type in 1979 day 2500.

Speaker 5 I think AJ's fine. I think AJ wants to contribute.

Speaker 5 He wants the offense to know, and he knows if they give him an opportunity, he can help the offense get out of the funk that they're in.

Speaker 5 And they definitely wouldn't be having as many three and outs as they have.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 Kale Yarbrough and Donnie Allison. It was Donnie.
When I tell you this was like a footnote on Wikipedia.

Speaker 5 And who ended up winning? Was it Kale Yarborough or Richard Richard Petty?

Speaker 5 No, I mean, was it

Speaker 5 Daryl Waltrip or Richard Petty that ended up winning?

Speaker 5 Richard Petty.

Speaker 5 See?

Speaker 5 Hey, you know what I'm saying, Old Joe?

Speaker 5 Back then in the South, the last car was huge. Now,

Speaker 5 it's still big in the South, but not like it was. Because you go to every convenience store, Joe.
You remember they used to have hats, they had handkerchiefs, they had jackets, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 All your favorite drivers. You can get Terry Labonte.
You can get Bill Elliott. You can get any

Speaker 5 Harry Gantt, the old skull bandit.

Speaker 5 Wilver Fox, Sterling Marlon,

Speaker 5 Pearson.

Speaker 5 Oh, man.

Speaker 5 Oh, I had me some. I ain't gonna lie to you.

Speaker 5 I had me some handkerchiefs. What?

Speaker 5 Hey, that was the whole thing. Hey, I wasn't the only brother that had that either.
Just so y'all know. Triple X Cup Saturday.

Speaker 5 Keep your hands and your feet to yourself unless someone else owes you 5900 see what i'm saying don't you

Speaker 5 say

Speaker 5 you right you right

Speaker 5 uh gk knox uh 171 greg hey uh can y'all wish my wife ria a very special happy birthday we absolutely would love to real

Speaker 5 Greg wants to wish you a very happy birthday and us at the nightcap family want to wish you a happy birthday. Hopefully you had a great day, did something really, really fun.

Speaker 5 Went to a Greg, got you a great meal, And I hope Greg bought you a nice gift. But happy birthday, Ria.

Speaker 5 Donovan D, Ocho, y'all feel about Pinnick. Do y'all think he has fundamentals like footwork and decision-making, or could be play calling be better? Big fan?

Speaker 5 Look, he's a young player. Oh, Joe.
I mean, man, y'all really think everybody's just supposed to come out and be like Patrick Mahomes, huh? Nah, I mean,

Speaker 11 they pissing.

Speaker 5 They do, oh Joe.

Speaker 11 That's the problem. I think players like Mahomes,

Speaker 11 Burrow, Brady, Peyton Manning,

Speaker 11 Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, they've spoiled the fans.

Speaker 11 They've spoiled the fans, especially fans of certain teams where you see quarterbacks that go early and you're expecting that type of play from them this early in their career.

Speaker 11 It's just not going to happen. At some point, there has to be a maturation process where they may get to that, but there's a chance that they don't.
They don't become elite.

Speaker 11 They don't become a tier one quarterback. And they just become just good.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 11 I think Pennix jr is going to be okay i think he has to be careful about what he says you know in the media and uh and and and choose his words wisely

Speaker 5 i think he's gonna be all right

Speaker 5 yeah look it's the same in the 90s there were not 15 great tier one quarterbacks in the 2000 there weren't 15 tier one great quarterbacks it's never going to be that many

Speaker 5 There's levels to this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I know, look, I understand it. Everybody wants their quarterback to look like a Mahomes or one of these tier one quarterbacks, one of the greats of all Aaron Rodgers.
That ain't happening, guys.

Speaker 5 Everybody ain't going to have that. Just like everybody ain't going to have a Kobe or a LeBron or a Jokic or a Bird to play for their organization.
Ain't going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Brian N.,

Speaker 5 Detroit basketball, Laporte TA, cigars.

Speaker 5 Aaron Jones, wait a minute, I thought you wouldn't be listening to non-football players and people who get paid to study the game. Why do you care about their opinions?

Speaker 5 I thought I answered that.

Speaker 5 Aaron, I tweet. My thing is, I don't have a, I don't care if you didn't play.

Speaker 5 I said, if you, Mina Kimes, and study film,

Speaker 5 have at it.

Speaker 5 But I think I know things that Mina don't for the simple fact I played and I look at the game a little different.

Speaker 5 But why do you care what I say then?

Speaker 5 It seems like because I ain't jumping on your timeline. You ain't jumping on mine.
I ain't never jumping on nobody's timeline and say you don't know what you're talking about. That's what y'all do.

Speaker 5 So clearly y'all know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 Ben, oh, oh, ISO. Can I get a birthday shout out? Turned 38 on November 12th.
Ben,

Speaker 5 happy.

Speaker 5 Oh, belated birthday.

Speaker 5 Happy belated birthday, bro. 38.
Happy birthday.

Speaker 11 Happy birthday, too.

Speaker 5 Well, I remember when I was 38.

Speaker 5 Well, you a young, vibrant.

Speaker 5 Woo!

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe. You're going to 38.

Speaker 11 Yeah, me, hey, yeah.

Speaker 5 Man, from 25 feet away, I take a tie and just swing it. You know, the old tie in the country,

Speaker 5 peeing it from 25 feet away.

Speaker 5 Do all that, oh, at 38.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 At 38, well, hey,

Speaker 11 I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't lost my magic yet.

Speaker 5 I know, still look something, you know,

Speaker 5 you know, I still love, you know, could conjure up a little something, maybe once in a while. You know what I'm saying? Don't you?

Speaker 11 Not like, not like,

Speaker 5 I ain't Steph Curry. I ain't gonna make 102 in a row, but you know what I'm saying.
I might hit a good, you know, Joe. Good day.
I might get, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I can make three in a row.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Hey, I'm just saying, don't don't try to block my shot, but I can make three in a row.

Speaker 5 Raymond Fountain.

Speaker 5 Is that a Raymond Fountain?

Speaker 5 NFC runs through Dallas.

Speaker 11 It runs through who?

Speaker 5 Ain't nobody going through Dallas to go to San Francisco. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 5 NFC runs through. Keith, hey, y'all going to be watching us in February.
Do what?

Speaker 11 He's talking about the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 Oh, anybody in Dallas? Y'all got to pipe down a little bit. Pipe down a little bit.
Pipe down.

Speaker 11 down pipe down yo and joe after all these years at this point you should you should understand that oh joe oh joe

Speaker 5 i'm a real fan bro yeah listen so listen and part of being a real fan is not being delusional yo that's what i'm not being hey listen i'm not being i'm not being delusional i'm not being delusional i understand what's going on okay i understand what's going on but listen i ain't gonna just leave because we in a little turmoil you you know what i'm saying no you can stay there a little

Speaker 11 we want you to stay there joe joe y'all been in Turbo for 35 years, Joe.

Speaker 5 Chill out, chill out. Yeah.
Joe, do you know? Hello. Joe, do you know this life where y'all win the Super Bowl? How old were you when they won the Super Bowl, Joe?

Speaker 5 Five?

Speaker 5 Nah, I'm probably about 10. When they win, when last time we won? 95?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm about 14.

Speaker 5 Damn, Joe. Yeah, I'm 14.
Man, you get a pack of cigarettes for a dollar back then. Man, what?

Speaker 5 You can go

Speaker 5 to the store with a dollar and get plenty of stuff. Yeah.
I remember when cigarettes were 50 cent a pack.

Speaker 5 I do too.

Speaker 5 I don't, hey, but hey,

Speaker 5 hey, but I tell you what, them old people, they didn't want to get out. Hey, you going to the store, son? Yes.
Hey, bring me a pack of cigarettes. You keep give me that buddy, man.
Please.

Speaker 5 All y'all do. Hey, what you want? Winston, Biss and Edges, Virginia Slims? Them Marvels.
Do it with the Marvel Slims.

Speaker 5 Yeah, oh, Joe. I got to get that.

Speaker 1 Throw

Speaker 5 And I remember everybody saying, E, my mama,

Speaker 5 boy, if cigarettes ever go to a dollar pack, I'm done today. The day they go to a dollar pack,

Speaker 5 cigarette by $6, $7 a pack right now.

Speaker 5 And people still smoking.

Speaker 5 I got my mama to quit. I bet my mom $25,000 she couldn't quit.
My mama said, you're going to give me $25,000 if I can't quit smoking. My mom had been smoking since she was

Speaker 5 probably 12, 13. Cause my grandma, my granny's sister, Anime, used to smoke.
And my mom was like, Hey, give me a cigarette, Anime. You better not tell, you better not tell Mary.

Speaker 5 I give you a cigarette.

Speaker 5 Well, if you don't give me one, I'm gonna tell her you did.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 so my mom had been smoking since she was like 12 or 13. I said, Mom, I bet you 25,000 you can't quit.

Speaker 5 She's

Speaker 5 my mama. Look,

Speaker 5 she had two, she had just bought two, uh, two cartons.

Speaker 5 My mama, like,

Speaker 5 she said, I'm gonna smoke these two, and I'm done.

Speaker 5 That was 25. My mama quit cold turkey.

Speaker 5 Ain't no patch. Ain't no weaning.
My mama smoked them two cartons.

Speaker 5 She said, baby,

Speaker 5 I ain't smoked no more. You got to be strong will to do that.

Speaker 5 Boy, looking for money?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Boy, to get money for my baby.

Speaker 5 Man, please. My mama walked from Chicago.

Speaker 5 And I was like, I thought about it. I was like, hold on.
Mama just bought you a car. That should be good enough.
She said, no, that wasn't the deal, baby.

Speaker 5 Andy Lopez, if PS2 don't play, how you feel about my homeboy?

Speaker 5 He's not going to play. They're going to reevaluate him in four weeks.
So,

Speaker 5 hold on.

Speaker 5 It's $18 a pack. You mean a carton? How much cigarettes a pack?

Speaker 5 Chad, how much cigarettes a pack?

Speaker 5 Pack of cigarettes in the U.S. is around $8.

Speaker 5 What?

Speaker 5 How much, Johnny? $8.

Speaker 11 That ain't bad. You said it was $7.
That's about right.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I remember

Speaker 5 there was 50 cents a pack. Yeah.
And people, everybody said if they ever go to $1, they gonna quit. Then they said they go to $1.50, they're gonna quit.
If they go to $2, they're gonna quit.

Speaker 5 It seems like the price keep going up, and they people still still smoking. Hey, look, that's why you got people out here hustling them cigarettes.

Speaker 5 The $18

Speaker 5 pack in New York City.

Speaker 11 The whole carton?

Speaker 5 No, a pack. Not the carton.
A pack.

Speaker 5 Yes. But you know, they be selling a lot of loose cigarettes in New York.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 5 And it says, if PS2 doesn't play, how do you feel against my homeboy?

Speaker 5 Say, we got this, we're gonna get this dub.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, you know, I have my Broncos shirt on Sunday, right? Uh-huh. Okay, just so you know.

Speaker 5 So, you feeling good? Hey, he's feeling good about them Broncos, ain't he?

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, he feels.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, we did a number on y'all, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We ain't got to talk about it.

Speaker 5 Hey, we did a number on them, too. They only scored three points.

Speaker 5 Uh, Shizo Shizzo Flex. Devontae Smith is on place for a career year, and we're talking about AJ Brown.
You know our GM is. AJ is under contract to a 29.
You want him?

Speaker 5 Pay the price. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, AJ,

Speaker 5 Devontae don't really do a whole lot of talking.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 11 he expressed his displeasure as well about two weeks. Oh, he has?

Speaker 5 Oh, he has. Yeah.
For sure.

Speaker 5 Dr. Frankie L.
Bellamy, tell him, Joe, how about them Cowboys, Doc?

Speaker 5 You can't say foot or ball.

Speaker 5 You've been talking about you a psychic and you know you getting your stuff in early and they ain't won a game since, doc.

Speaker 5 Hey, and you better not, doc. You better not.
Y'all better not lose on Thanksgiving. Uh-oh.
Y'all know y'all got Kansas City.

Speaker 5 On Thanksgiving? Yep.

Speaker 5 yeah doc i'm with you baby how about them cowboy

Speaker 5 okay el pray ocho the camera you got in spain is clean good look are you planning on running with the bulls unknown adventures hey listen they hey i'm glad you said that right because that that's that's certain stuff we can tap into running with the bulls unknown don't have to do it i can do it I think

Speaker 11 there needs to be some things, Joe and Unk, that we need to do in that space of creating content outside of what we already do because everybody do this and you know we we want the best at it but it's a lane that hasn't been touched you hear me and um you could be like my coach and we're

Speaker 11 we could almost be stuff that's semi-dangerous and i'm i'm willing to take that chance you hear me okay you know so we we need i definitely coach your own yeah we we need to make sure we too we we we we fine-tune and stay into that lane that nobody's touched okay because the the world the world will appreciate appreciate that going hunting you know me and you swimming with orcas in the wild uh

Speaker 11 who said i want to do that yeah that's that see that's what i'm talking about it has to be things you don't want to do that you're willing to try oh swimming with orcas though yeah in the wild yeah yeah yeah they don't attack humans

Speaker 5 i don't got on doing that yeah no you don't you're right

Speaker 5 ain't got onk doing that

Speaker 11 we got to do things we normally wouldn't do things that are out of our character that's That's what people want to see.

Speaker 5 Okay. And that's like life or death.

Speaker 11 Like, you know, that's. Hey, Joe, that's a good thing about it.
So if you die, you went out the right way. Great concept.
No, I didn't.

Speaker 5 I got a different idea how I want to go out.

Speaker 5 You're just me talking, though. Philly talked with P.A.
AJ said, not just what Philly Media said, but Devontae Saquon, Lane Johnson said, it's predictable as well. AJ isn't schemed open like Chase.

Speaker 5 PS2 said he gets open, and that's what makes him great.

Speaker 5 Well, y'all need to y'all need to take that up with the coordinator, with the Eagles. Why y'all getting mad at me and Ocho and Joe?

Speaker 5 I ain't calling no plays.

Speaker 5 Landy Ray, hey guys, been listening to you guys for an hour or so. I could see the aura Boralis.
Oh, you could. I couldn't see it.
It was amazing.

Speaker 5 What's the most amazing view you've seen when traveling?

Speaker 5 The most amazing view. I saw Haley's Comet back in 1986.
You ain't see that.

Speaker 5 I did.

Speaker 5 I did.

Speaker 5 I did.

Speaker 5 And I don't know. And it all happens every between 75 and 77 and a half years.
So I don't know if I'm going to be around to see it, but I saw it.

Speaker 5 You should feel very fortunate if you see two of them, because you damn sure won't see three.

Speaker 5 You should be very, very fortunate if you see two.

Speaker 5 I don't know. That's my goal to maybe us catch that old second one hey i don't know if this is amazing but i was on the plane doing 9-11.

Speaker 5 were you did they did they order you down

Speaker 5 because they took that's the first time in history that all plays uh george w president bush ordered all plans out all planes out of the sky i was headed to boston i flew from little rock arkansas to atlanta georgia to connect When I got to Atlanta,

Speaker 5 we got on the flight. We was taxiing out to get ready to uh take off, and he pulled back in.
He was like, We got a we got an emergency, uh, we got to pull back in. It's an emergency.

Speaker 5 And they told all of the evacuate off the plane. When we got off the plane, well, the first plane had already done hit,

Speaker 5 yeah. So, we looking at it on TV, and it didn't look real to me at first, you know what I mean.
But I was headed to Boston, yeah, that was my rookie year. Damn, wow.

Speaker 5 I remember it like yesterday. Oh,

Speaker 5 I got stuck in the A

Speaker 5 for a week.

Speaker 5 Not a bad place to be stuck. No, considering where I went.
It wasn't.

Speaker 5 Jamal the singer, your uncle, catchphrase, show up every day in my life. My wife talking about not tonight.
I looked at her and said, the hell you say?

Speaker 5 Hey, stall out, Jamal, man.

Speaker 5 She probably had a hard day at work. She probably came home and done cooked the meal.
Hey, give her a break, man.

Speaker 5 Say, baby, I'll catch you tomorrow.

Speaker 11 There you say.

Speaker 5 Ricky, what up, gang? Flying out to the DR in the morning. What's y'all travel plans in 2026 with Unk Free?

Speaker 5 Out like a scout on a new route.

Speaker 5 Hey.

Speaker 5 Huh? What's our plans, Ocho? Where we going?

Speaker 11 I don't know. It's on you, Unc.
It's on you. You tell me you want to go.
You know, me and the missus, we going to travel. You know, you want to bring your little partner with you.

Speaker 11 You know, we could do, you know, a little double date. Joe, you want to come, you want to come along too?

Speaker 5 Uh, you know, yeah, I can't go nowhere, just me and you.

Speaker 5 I gotta have Joe because somebody got to be the voice of reason.

Speaker 5 They got to be the voice of reason. I'm no reasoning with you.

Speaker 11 I'm the voice of reason, huh?

Speaker 5 No, you're not no voice of nothing. You're the voice of some bull jive.

Speaker 11 I'm the best person to travel with. It don't matter where we go.
We come to Spain, I can speak Spanish. We go to France, I can speak French.
You know, I mean,

Speaker 5 I'm the person. No, French fries and French toast is not speaking French.

Speaker 5 Croissant, no. Gray Poupon, nothing.

Speaker 11 I speak. I speak French.

Speaker 11 I speak Spanish.

Speaker 11 Like, I'm the person. I speak Russian.

Speaker 5 What you go? Tell me something.

Speaker 11 In what?

Speaker 5 Miyama?

Speaker 5 Who?

Speaker 5 Miyama.

Speaker 11 Miyama, what?

Speaker 5 Okay, I'm asking you.

Speaker 11 It's Ocho, but you're not saying it right.

Speaker 5 Miyama, Miyama Vicente. My name is Vincent.

Speaker 11 No, your name is not Vincent.

Speaker 11 Your name is Shannon.

Speaker 5 No, but my Spanish name, when I took Spanish. Right.

Speaker 5 Because everybody else had already taken, everybody had, I had to take, I had to get a name.

Speaker 5 Everybody had taken Gary with Greg and

Speaker 5 Stephen. So I say, you know what? Miyama Vicente.

Speaker 11 My name is Vincente. Is that what you, when you travel abroad, do you tell women, I mean, people, your name is Vincent?

Speaker 5 no

Speaker 5 okay see okay i don't really travel i hadn't been abroad uh i actually i've been to uh where did i go i went to italy hey hey that hey you know i was in rome i was in rome

Speaker 5 went to florence on that train countryside you know what i'm saying

Speaker 11 hey you know you know i was hey you know i was getting ready to fly to italy tomorrow

Speaker 11 i was gonna go to the road i want to i want to i want to i want to show my baby i want to show her the coliseum i was like you know what let me let me lock in let me stay focused

Speaker 5 you should have taken to la downtown you see coliseum

Speaker 5 oh you

Speaker 11 cheap hey but listen i know we got we got nightcap tomorrow right yeah yes see i see how focused i am see how dedicated i am i see that i'm not we're not gonna we're not gonna go to rome we're gonna wait till the season is over football season is over and we got a little more time to enjoy the city instead of going there for a few hours and then fly back to the state so i'm flying back i'm flying back to miami and uh my flight even what four hours

Speaker 5 five hours see that

Speaker 11 you went over to have a little bit of time yeah i just i just i flew in um what this morning i flew in last night i did what i need to do today and i'm back in the miami tomorrow

Speaker 5 well you know we out we doing something yeah yeah

Speaker 11 hey joe hey saucy saucy said

Speaker 5 so we don't go ahead what you gonna say joe

Speaker 11 i would tell it joe in and out how much how much we talking oh yeah

Speaker 5 i was gonna say yeah, you know, y'all got to have somebody with y'all who got some sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Because Ocho gonna try to talk me into something.

Speaker 5 And so Joe be the voice of reading. So Joe could break the tie.

Speaker 11 I got you. Nah.
I would listen. You got to understand, whatever I try to talk you into, it'd be nothing like Nico Harrison in that bullshit.

Speaker 5 All right, all right.

Speaker 5 It's going to be nothing like that. All right.
All right. Man, you have us try to scale up my Subius.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Now, see, now that's great content.

Speaker 5 Uh, Saucy says, So we don't need LeBron, uh, Laker fans, awful tonight. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 5 so y'all would have trade LeBron, huh?

Speaker 5 Mm-hmm. What Laker, what's up?

Speaker 5 What are LeBron haters at?

Speaker 11 Y'all lost?

Speaker 5 Hey, don't want to. What? Okay, beat the brakes off him.

Speaker 11 What, by what? By

Speaker 11 like 30?

Speaker 5 By like 30? 30 what? Pounce.

Speaker 11 God.

Speaker 5 It was a whole lot to a few. Yeah.

Speaker 5 David Montiano, Eagles OC,

Speaker 5 Kevin Petula is going to destroy us. I agree with AJ.

Speaker 11 Hey.

Speaker 11 Can you imagine everybody can't have a Ben Johnson calling plays. Everybody can't have a Sean McBay.

Speaker 5 Kyle Shanahan or Sky McBain.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you can't. Andy Reed.

Speaker 11 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 11 The creativity is different.

Speaker 5 CB started.

Speaker 5 Shakur said, CBB started the early prediction, if any. UConn, we taking our title back.
We building the football program up, too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, y'all good in basketball now. But I don't know if UConn is going to ever be able to beat those Blue Bloods, bro.

Speaker 5 Come on, in football? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. To beat the Georgias and the Ohio States and the Bamas.

Speaker 5 I don't see that.

Speaker 11 Hey, you got to bring a whole lot. You got to bring a whole lot of boys in there for that.

Speaker 5 Fletch,

Speaker 5 I catched up on the show the other night when you said you wish Coach would stop feeding y'all. You almost had me throw up all my cater food away because we're doing so bad.

Speaker 11 Hey, that was funny.

Speaker 5 Hey, baby,

Speaker 11 hey, that was funny, boy.

Speaker 11 That was funny.

Speaker 5 Hey, I'm miserable. When I'm losing, I'm miserable.
I want everybody else to be miserable, too.

Speaker 5 Uh, did you see the new format at the women's 100 meters at the 2028 Olympics? All three rounds the same day. I did see that.
Uh, it's opening day, man. That's asking an awful lot of these women.

Speaker 5 You want to stay extra? Um,

Speaker 5 I mean, three rounds in one day. Normally, they have maybe two rounds and then they have the finals the next day,

Speaker 5 or they won one round and two rounds the next day. But that's an awful lot.
I hope they space it out and give them enough, give them enough time to recover.

Speaker 5 So they should have to space out, you know, morning, then the noon, and then at night.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, the women taking over.

Speaker 5 See, they might end up having Sid race be the whatever, whatever Sid runner, that's going to be the signature race.

Speaker 5 B. Morcow, uh, in 2018 draft, Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnell, uh, uh, Baker Mayfield, and Josh Allen, the best quarterback in the draft class in NFL history.
You can make that case.

Speaker 5 83 might have something to say about that now. You know, L.
Wayne Marino was in the same draft with Jim Kelly.

Speaker 5 Jim Kelly went to four Super Bowls. He didn't win it.
John went to five, one, two.

Speaker 5 Marino went to one.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 when it's all said and done, you might have a compelling argument, young man, because Lamar hasn't been to the Super Bowl. Well, y'all got to get to some Super Bowls now.

Speaker 5 Jay underscore Fields, 227. Since Scatterboo is hurt, would there ever be another Mike All-Star type player?

Speaker 11 You know, it would be hard, too, because they don't even team the way the NFL is now, with the way offenses are. most teams don't even use a fullback to that to that point nah they block it

Speaker 11 he was the perfect fit for um

Speaker 11 for for the giants i think um the 49ers also use that the fullback a little bit use check kyle use check yeah yeah there's one more team they oh um the ravens ricards ravens another team you know so not very

Speaker 11 use use a fullback

Speaker 5 yeah

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Speaker 11 I'll be back in the States tomorrow.

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