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Speaker 12 later. But, oh, Joe, we got first.

Speaker 12 We got new video has emerged. Wait, what happened? Deron Payne punching Amon Ross St.
Brown. Okay.

Speaker 12 After this video, are we going to watch? We can't show the video.

Speaker 12 I'm a firm believer, guy. Y'all know who I am.
Yeah. I was the strongest

Speaker 12 and what I thought Deron Payne did was absolutely wrong. Deron Payne reached out to me today on DM and he was very, very respectful.

Speaker 12 And I'm not going to get to the specifics, but basically he was saying, OG, I appreciate you. I love the way you played the game, everything that you was able to accomplish.
You were great.

Speaker 12 He said, but I didn't unprompt, just unload on, oh, boy. Yeah, yeah

Speaker 12 and he said he sent me the video

Speaker 12 since i was the strongest in my my critique of deron paying let me be the loudest and say bro i'm sorry

Speaker 12 i'm sorry for judging you without knowing all the facts because all i know is what what was shown

Speaker 12 amoon ross st brown absolutely hit this man unprompted they were in a little shoving back and forth and then he got a little quick within OJO. You know how we do a little thing right there.

Speaker 12 We look like nobody looking. Ah,

Speaker 12 hey, Uncle Lila Chicken Wing. He gets hit up.
Yes.

Speaker 12 Yes. Javon Kidlaw, I owe you an apology too because you said he did hit Deron Payne first.
And I didn't believe you. So I want to apologize to you.
But the biggest apology goes to Deron Payne.

Speaker 12 And I'm glad you did it. Because like my grandma used to say,

Speaker 12 I might not stop you, but I damn sure break you the habit.

Speaker 12 I guarantee you.

Speaker 12 armor ross st brown was dead ass wrong deron payne you should have see you don't get to do something to somebody and didn't talk about that was an overreaction keep your hands to yourself you said he told now this is what armin ross st brown said sunday and monday

Speaker 12 before the video surfaced and say yeah he hit him because now he don't have a leg to stand on ocho and joe He said, you know, back and forth.

Speaker 12 He didn't say nothing too crazy, but he never mentioned the part that he hit Deron Payne in the face first. That never came out of his mouth.
Right. Deron Payne,

Speaker 12 I'm sorry, bro. I am so sorry as a man.
I'm never, and I've told you guys, y'all heard me say this on Undisputed. I'm never going to be too big to say, I'm sorry.
I'm never going to be too prideful.

Speaker 12 I'm never going to be too wealthy. I'm never going to be.
anything where I can't say I'm sorry I was wrong. Deron Payne, I was wrong.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 You should have caught, you should, I wish you would have knocked his ass out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey.
Nope. Hey, no, no.
Keep your hands. Keep your hands to yourself.

Speaker 12 Your grandma told you that. Your mom told you that.
Joe, I know you heard it because

Speaker 12 you from the South.

Speaker 12 But people don't really look at Miami like the South. Like we look at, like

Speaker 12 we look at Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, all those states. Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 12 I understand. You're supposed to keep your hands to yourself.
I understand. Yes.

Speaker 12 So what punishment? What punishment, before you go, Ocho, Joe, can I ask the NFL, what punishment are y'all gonna levy against Armin Ross A. Brown?

Speaker 12 I don't know. I don't know.
But listen, you know the rules. You know the rules.
And they talk about it in meetings before season starts about getting angry.

Speaker 12 They always see the second person that throws a punch. They always see the second person.
that shoves every time. So I'm in Rock Brown is playing a game within the game, understanding, well, hello,

Speaker 12 I'm going to chicken wean him, you know, and see if I can get him in trouble real quick. And it worked.

Speaker 12 It worked. And he lost his temper, you know? That's the game within the game.
How can I get under somebody's skin to give my team an advantage? Now, it was wrong. Yes, it was wrong.
It was wrong.

Speaker 12 I'd be the first to say it. But, you know,

Speaker 12 it's tricks of the trade. Now, you say you should have knocked him out.
Now, I don't think that would have happened because they would have had to jump to Ron. Now, we don't want that to happen now.

Speaker 12 They want to jump.

Speaker 12 You see nobody grabbing when he slapped five from him. And the official standing right there.
Because, Ocho, here's the thing. You're absolutely right.

Speaker 12 Maybe, let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe and Ocho, the official didn't see it.

Speaker 12 But just like they replayed it and saw what Deron Payne did, I guarantee you they replayed it and saw what Armin Ross St. Brown did.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Hey, so did they

Speaker 12 find or suspend Deron Payne? They suspended him for one game without pay. Uh-huh.
So they, So now that they go back and look at the tape, what's going to happen to Armand St. Brown?

Speaker 12 I don't know, but something, a fine should be levied. Keep your hands and your feet to yourself.
If you blocking me, I get that.

Speaker 12 You pancake me and stepping my chest, I get that. But keep your hands to yourself,

Speaker 12 especially on that football field, because I can do anything I want to, and it's not a crime. They might suspend me.
They might throw a penalty, but it's not a crime.

Speaker 12 Keep your hands to yourself i don't know what possessed him to do what he did

Speaker 12 that's a grown man i don't know if deron payne has a wife i don't know if he has kids or anything but keep your my grandma used to always say boy keep your hands and your feet to yourself she say boy if somebody put their hands or their feet on him you do everything you can to try to break them see hey you heard what you just said right Huh?

Speaker 12 Hey,

Speaker 12 hey, Joe, I told you that story.

Speaker 12 I told you that story where Ray knocked my helmet off and he in the park.

Speaker 12 that, huh? Hey, hey, boy, you laughing, Joe. Joe, I was in the locker room looking for Ray, boy, and we weren't even playing at home.
We were playing it.

Speaker 12 That was two weeks later. You was unconscious.
You don't even remember when y'all were actually playing. You was looking for Ray two weeks later.
No, no, no. Y'all was playing the Bills.

Speaker 12 Ray played for the Ravens. You talking about where Ray at?

Speaker 12 Where's Sugar? Hey.

Speaker 12 Hey, hey,

Speaker 12 I was looking for Sugar after that game.

Speaker 12 I'm telling you. Like, hold on, Joe, I was upset, right? And I'm thinking to myself, hold on.
Now, me and Ray, we pray before the game.

Speaker 12 We go over a scripture before every game, whether we played each other or not, you know? Right. We like this.

Speaker 12 Your man, 100 grand. Yeah, we done said a prayer before the game.
We get in the game. We get in the game.
And now you act like you don't know me. You don't know me, but we pray.

Speaker 12 And you just try to knock my helmet off. Hold on, my helmet went flying by 30 yards, Joe.
Show.

Speaker 12 I say,

Speaker 12 hey, look, oh, Joe, you know, in between them lines, man. Ain't no friend.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Listen, I ain't. He probably prayed.

Speaker 12 He don't really knock you out out hey but you got to realize them guys defensive players go to a different place man yeah yeah hey i was in a different place after the game because i was in y'all locker room security had you put in my locker rope long ago yeah

Speaker 12 joe they had to come get me out locker room joe barf and a whoop on him you hit me well you don't that you don't do nothing like that but if if we do joe you can't sit there and say a prayer with me we can't read the scripture and you go out there and try to kill me on the field.

Speaker 12 We can't do that. Now, he was saying, Lord, forgive me what I'm about to do to Ocho.
Lord, I know I've come a long way and I'm trying to do better in my life.

Speaker 12 But any sins that I commit on this field today, please forgive them.

Speaker 12 Hey, Joe, and the funny thing about it, Joe, is

Speaker 12 when people ask me who was your favorite team to go against,

Speaker 12 it was always the Ravens and the Steelers. Joe, because one thing about it, I call it a two-chinstrap game, Joe.

Speaker 12 You had to bring two tin straps to that goddamn game, Joe. Hey, you had to get some sleep tonight for that game, didn't you?

Speaker 12 Hey, it was Joe. It was hell.

Speaker 12 It was hell. And I enjoyed it because you had no choice but to raise your level of play.
You had no choice but to raise your level of play.

Speaker 12 And then you got my crazy ass who talk shit during the week and give everybody bulletin board material on purpose. You know, so I mean,

Speaker 12 there was some of the, some of the, some of the joyous times for me during them days. Man, I loved it, man.
I loved it.

Speaker 12 I love love great i mean still to this day man just being able to being able to see and stay in contact that's why i like social media so much most of the time like you know unc back in your days you kind of lose touch with everybody unless you go to a certain event

Speaker 12 you know

Speaker 12 they make it so much easy joe man it just i don't know you can i don't know if deron paint deron i don't know if you're watching this but i hope you get this i hope you hear it for yourself but if somebody if you don't hear it for yourself hopefully someone close to to you, a family, friend, or loved one, gets you this and let them and tell you Shannon Sharp

Speaker 12 did indeed apologize because you were not wrong.

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Speaker 12 Because everybody keep the hand. You regrown out here.
Ain't nobody,

Speaker 12 to my knowledge, Amand Ross St. Brown ain't got no kids.
And he damn sure ain't got no kids 30, 31 years of age. Keep your hands to yourself.

Speaker 12 Treat it like the zoo. What did they they tell you, OJo, when you go to the zoo? Keep it in your hands.
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Speaker 12 Don't touch nothing. I tell McKinley.
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Speaker 12 muffs. And put your hand warmers.
And keep your hands in your pocket. You won't know.

Speaker 12 Because I'm telling you, he did right, Ocho. But see, the problem that I have is that he lied.
And he had everybody believing that he did absolutely nothing until he got caught.

Speaker 12 And then I think it was today, he's like, Yeah, I kind of nudged him. It don't matter.
You don't get, hold on. You step on my foot.
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Speaker 12 You don't get to tell me how hard you stepped on my foot. That's my foot.

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Speaker 12 Deron Payne, I'm sorry. Javon Kenlaw, I'm sorry, because you also came out and said that he did hit him first.
And I said, man, that man ain't hit that man first.

Speaker 12 Ocho, yes, I said, oh, what likelihood of a wide receiver going around slug? And he did it.

Speaker 12 It don't matter how hard it was, it was the mere fact that you did something that you didn't have no business doing, and then he knocked fire from you, and you're talking about, oh, I, I, I, you know, it was no, no, Duron, I'm sorry, and they should give you your money back, yeah, but I guess I guarantee you, I bet he won't hit another D-lineman in the face.

Speaker 12 What you want to bet, Ocho?

Speaker 12 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 Hey, one thing about us receivers, we're the most dominant position on the field. You know, whether we got the ball in our hands or not.

Speaker 12 I don't know if anybody. There's a saying that says, oh, Joe,

Speaker 12 an action without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

Speaker 12 Wait a minute. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You know what I'm saying, Joe? An action without consequences, there is no lesson learned. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Now,

Speaker 12 not far from it. Yeah, the NFL is going to come down with something on St.
Brown. Nah, no, they're not.
No, they're not. Man, please.
No, they're not.

Speaker 12 Hey, listen, the NFL, the NFL is already handicapped. The NFL has already handicapped the game a lot.

Speaker 12 They've already taken some of the

Speaker 12 words,

Speaker 12 some of the character, you know, some of the character away from the game and

Speaker 12 what made it fun, what made it exciting. Now, before I keep going, I need you to give me that line one more time.

Speaker 12 Actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned.

Speaker 12 Hey, Joe, that's a good one, Joe. I'm going to use that one in my life.
Boy, Deron Payne, you did right.

Speaker 12 You should have hit him so hard in the top of his head, he peeped out his reels and thought he was in jail. Hey,

Speaker 12 you did right.

Speaker 12 I ain't getting you no more.

Speaker 12 I'm done for tonight.

Speaker 12 Wait a minute. Hey, hey, bring that back one more time.
I don't like a DJ.

Speaker 12 I said, Deron Payne should have hit him so hard in the top of his head, he peep out his reels and think he's in jail. But then you got it, though, yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 12 I might not stop that act, but I bet I break your habit. Okay,

Speaker 12 who that was,

Speaker 12 right?

Speaker 12 Oh, you didn't drop two gems early, but the show just started. Hey, hold on, oh, hey, okay, oh, Joe, he got up under that, he got up under that helmet too.

Speaker 12 When he when he did, you see how far he swung back, yes, sir.

Speaker 12 He swung back from Prince George, yeah, he got up under there.

Speaker 12 That's what, oh, Joe, that's what, hey, Joe, that's one of them old

Speaker 12 cartoon slaps. You feel like you watch a Saturday cartoon? Yeah, hey, man, he was pissed off.

Speaker 12 He couldn't help it.

Speaker 12 Absolutely. Absolutely.
So I don't have any problems after seeing the video, after having him explain what happened. And he said, oh, gee,

Speaker 12 I ain't just swing on old boy. He did what he did.
Sent me the video. I tapped on it.
Look at at it. They look hand fighting, and then he tried to get a quick one in.

Speaker 12 Yeah, look, look, hey, little chicken way. I know what you're talking about.
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Speaker 12 sting what's going on bro much man

Speaker 12 man thank you for joining us man we really really appreciate that go ahead oh cho what's good what's up

Speaker 12 you go

Speaker 12 okay i like that energy i like that energy i i see you in the offseason oh yeah yeah you gotta work

Speaker 12 bro i watching you play and i think the thing is about any great corner the one thing that they all have is patience they ain't really biting that first move. Look, bro, all that head stuff.

Speaker 12 Let me ask you a question: What are you looking at?

Speaker 12 You looking at his breastplate, you looking at his hips because all this head doing all this and all that right there, and these hips still coming straight at me.

Speaker 12 So, what when you lock in and you're playing press coverage, what are you watching? Oh, I'm looking more at the like mid-thigh, the back leg, okay.

Speaker 12 So, like, I start low, so then when your eyes go up a little bit, I end up around the hips and try to stay in that range right there. So,

Speaker 12 yeah.

Speaker 12 How did you learn to be patient? Because a lot of times, you know, these receivers are really good at round running, getting in and out of breaks.

Speaker 12 And I think the thing is that you can't be overreactive, always biting the first move. Now, you know, sometimes they sometimes they really are running a goal.

Speaker 12 And sometimes they're going to run, you know, they're trying to run you off and do this comeback or do this dig or do this over out. So, so, how are you playing? I mean, obviously, you study tape.

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Speaker 12 and you know you ain't gonna have much time to throw it y'all got those two edge guys coming off the edge so you like hey i ain't gotta i ain't gotta come along and that's every snap like they they and it's not even just them like it's the whole like the interior like they they yeah you got rankings you got those guys yeah they pushing up the middle and then you got the two on the outside, and then they all rotate.

Speaker 12 So, like, we got three people deep in every position on the D-line, so every snap.

Speaker 12 But you, you, you wanted a few, obviously, I'm an enthusiast when it comes to, you know, some of the better DBs, just DB play in general, you know, and

Speaker 12 being able to watch all and study a game and study how you guys play. You have tremendous patience.
You have tremendous patience, similar to

Speaker 12 like Darrell Rebus, in a sense. You're very good in bump and run.

Speaker 12 Watching the film, you can tell you watch film a lot and you understand the tendencies and what's coming and what's not. And your ball skills are second to none.

Speaker 12 Your ball skills are second to none because you're one of the few, few DBs that when the ball is in the air, you actually look back for it and you don't panic.

Speaker 12 Most of the time, you already know, most of the time, everybody always panic wants the ball in the air. And what's the first thing you do? You pull your tug and you get a flag thrown.

Speaker 12 But your ball skills, man, is elite. You know, I i haven't had a chance to give you flowers but um just now i got a chance to but you you wanted the best you know we talk about top two

Speaker 12 uh you right up there so it depends on on on who you who you like based on preferences out of you and brother brother p2 dying in and and yeah

Speaker 12 i appreciate you man i appreciate that yes sir hey d sting what's up bro

Speaker 12 Hey, tell me some. What have you learned from, you know, your father, your grandfather, coaching and mentorship, you as you came into this league?

Speaker 12 What have they taught you kind of growing up? Well, my dad, so you know,

Speaker 12 he coached in the arena football league for a long time. He played in the arena.

Speaker 12 And since I was a little kid, like as far back as I can remember,

Speaker 12 I'm doing DB drills with his players.

Speaker 12 And like with full pads on as a little kid or

Speaker 12 like running routes against his DVs as a little kid, like double moves or, you know, whatever,

Speaker 12 like that. So being in that type of environment, it kind of taught me, for one, like the brotherhood that goes along with a football team, because one, they was,

Speaker 12 they was,

Speaker 12 I guess you could say, like, they was

Speaker 12 those older figures that I saw as like superstars. Like, it was just like a...

Speaker 12 like a family environment.

Speaker 12 Right. And so that taught me brotherhood and then and then like seeing them go out there and play together knowing that they was close like off the field

Speaker 12 whether that was dealing with me or you know doing their own thing or whatever.

Speaker 12 And then

Speaker 12 for my dad, like, well, then, and then adding on to that, like my dad, he taught me how to

Speaker 12 deal with like energy levels on the, on the field. So.

Speaker 12 you know, what's your sick, you know, big talker.

Speaker 12 He tried to, he's getting tried to get in your hands thing.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, yeah you know like he'll he'll talk and he'll do all that but me personally like if i make a a good play like i you you probably won't see me do anything like like whether if it's like pbu or something like that like i'll just walk off because for one i'd be tired so like i don't have energy to do that and then like um if some if something is too bad then you know like it's on to the next play and i feel like as as a defensive player,

Speaker 12 like that's, that's just how you got to live life.

Speaker 12 And, well, and it's really like that for offense, too, like, like a receiver, tight end, like, like you drop the ball, like drop a pass, you got to move that.

Speaker 12 Like, you can't think about it because then you start thinking about catching the football, you're going to keep on dropping the rest of it.

Speaker 12 So, right, you know, like stuff like that, like just regulating emotions, and you know, still playing with a passion and being fierce with it. But

Speaker 12 everybody don't need to know that. Like,

Speaker 12 like you, if you want to try to play me on the field, I just show you by just playing the game. Like, I don't need, I don't need to talk because I don't know how to talk.

Speaker 12 Oh, you don't talk? He said, What

Speaker 12 I said, you don't talk. So, if somebody started yapping, oh, yeah, oh, I'm about to, oh, I'm about to get this one today.
I'm about to get me 100 today. You got to get me about a couple thugs.

Speaker 12 I'll probably just look well because I don't know how to talk trash talk. So, like, I'll just look and I'll either laugh or I'll just be like,

Speaker 12 Okay, like, all right, like

Speaker 12 hey, Uncle Joe, I'm gonna get it out of him. Oh, yo, hey, I'm gonna get it out of him.

Speaker 12 He's like, man, what you doing? So you about to smell the deodorant. Touchdown.

Speaker 12 That's what I'm doing. Don't worry about it.
Hey, hey, hey, D Steam telling y'all, look, that's gonna motivate him. He ain't gotta say nothing, yeah, but he's gonna be like, okay, right.
Like,

Speaker 12 it's a quiet confidence, bro. I already know.

Speaker 12 It doesn't matter who it is. Like, like, Ocho said, like, I know you

Speaker 12 say that you'll be able to get me to talk on the field, but

Speaker 12 I honestly will look at you crazy and you're gonna, you'll be like what like is something wrong with him like like why is he not nah nah nah nah nah nah i'm gonna get me get that work i'm listening i'm not gonna talk on the field i'm gonna talk during the play i'm gonna talk during the route like i'm different

Speaker 12 like i'm different gotta let him know on you we gotta let you know sting hey the whole time you got two quiet dudes versus two talkers

Speaker 12 that first down on you first down

Speaker 12 hey hey sting hey hey uh hey uh you know they hit him with hey every time I catch a ball, let me hit it with their own thing. Yeah,

Speaker 12 yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I don't, hey, hey, oh, yo, that don't affect, I don't do that, so that don't affect you.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 12 I'm saying, like, you don't, my mind is like, this is a still, like, just, I don't know, cage or whatever. Like,

Speaker 12 yeah. Oh, but I tell you what, y'all do do.

Speaker 12 You let when you got the interception, y'all ran to the end zone. So I give me a touchdown.
I'm calling on my teammate. Come on, let go to the end zone.
Let go. On your let go.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Hey, Sting.
Hey, hey, Sting, you know, you know, who Sting reminds me of too, huh? And that's the way you carry yourself. And he's always

Speaker 12 even killed, no matter what. It's really hard to get him out of character.
Andre Johnson. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Exactly the same. Don't talk.
Yeah, Dre don't say nothing. No, he didn't at all.
At all.

Speaker 12 Sting, let me ask you a question. Who do you kind of pattern your game after?

Speaker 12 Because, I mean, like, you kind of built like Revis, but I mean, there's Charles Woodson, there's Rod Woodson, there's Time, there's Rebus, there's Daryl Green, there's the Niels Williams.

Speaker 12 There have been a lot of great corners. So, did you study film when you watch it? Like, okay, this is the direction I'm going in.
And I think this is what I'm going to be at in college.

Speaker 12 This is what I'm going to be at the next level. Who do you kind of pattern your game after? Is there any similarities that you see between yourself and anybody that I mentioned? Maybe somebody I did.

Speaker 12 Yeah, nobody that you mentioned, but I've always, it's always been Tim Bailey for me.

Speaker 12 Okay. He's always the, you know, he gets the ball.
He's locked down.

Speaker 12 He's interchangeable. If he needs to go play somewhere else, like in a different position, he can do it.
Like, just because he knows the, know the defenses or know football.

Speaker 12 Yeah. He's always been any war number 24.
Like that, yeah, that's, he, he's always been the person. That's the guy.
So you like, you like, because I measure corners.

Speaker 12 And then there's not a knock on the corners that don't, but I like to see you get frequent flying miles. I like to see you travel.

Speaker 12 I mean, if you got a bad dude and he only normally he the X, I'm going there. If he the Z, I'm falling there.
If he in the slot, I'm gonna fall in there.

Speaker 12 If he in the backfield, I'm lining up like a linebacker. Wherever you go, just know I'm gonna be back.

Speaker 12 I mean, and that's a that's a part of it. Like, like,

Speaker 12 that's a mindset. Like,

Speaker 12 I just want to cover the best. Like, if you're allowed to do it, you're allowed to do it.

Speaker 12 If you're not allowed to do it, then, you know, the people that aren't allowed to do it, I guarantee they wish that they can do it.

Speaker 12 So that's something that you can't knock somebody for. I don't.
No, no, no, no. Some people just like they got their defenses and you play left, he played right, whatever the case.

Speaker 12 And that's how it was with Reeves and Crow. Normally, Revis and Crowe, they stayed, Crow stayed on one side, Reese stayed on the other side.

Speaker 12 And so, wherever you went, Sherman, and when they were in Seattle, he was on one side, and Brandon Browner was on the other side.

Speaker 12 So, let me ask you a question. You got the big contract, and you know what comes along with big contracts, even more expectations.
You've gone to the Pro Bowl, you've been an all-pro.

Speaker 12 What are the expectations that Sting puts on himself?

Speaker 12 damn the outside pressure what you put on yourself oh well really on myself like it's more about like like technique like it's sometimes like like well we kind of mentioned earlier um

Speaker 12 patience we was talking about patience right so sometimes well and then you also said like like kind of falling for the first move or wanting to react to the first move like like yes like people know i'm a pest a patient defensive back at the line of scrimmage so I'll get harder moves, like first steps, thinking that, okay, yeah, they're going.

Speaker 12 Like, you know, it's just a game within the game.

Speaker 12 So I'm hard on myself, like, trying to make sure that I'm sticking true to who I am and controlling,

Speaker 12 controlling the game myself, not being reactive, but like, like, you know, like controlling the game. And then another thing is, like, yeah, I got all the picks, the ball skills, whatever,

Speaker 12 but

Speaker 12 I've said this before, like last year I had however many I had, like interceptions, I could have had double that. Same thing for right now.

Speaker 12 I got however many I have right now, I should have double that.

Speaker 12 And those are the type of things that bug me because I know my pops is sitting in the stand somewhere, just like mad at me, like

Speaker 12 frowning or something. And I can feel them like just

Speaker 12 being mad at me.

Speaker 12 But I'm also mad too. So, you know, like those, those are the main things for me because, you know, like, I know how to catch a football.
So, like, why am I not catching the pass on this or

Speaker 12 that? Or why is this person getting like an inch of separation when they're, when they're not supposed to? Like, like, you know, like stuff like that. Like, normal.

Speaker 12 I mean, I feel like that's normal, like, football stuff. Like, whatever.

Speaker 12 Let me ask you this. Do you think we're going to see somebody, Dick Night Train Lane, his rookie season? He had 14 picks.
I think in 1980, Lester Hayes

Speaker 12 had 13 picks. And we haven't seen anybody.
We've seen a 10. You saw, we just saw.
Diggs had 11.

Speaker 12 Diggs.

Speaker 12 He had 10. And we've seen a lot of 10.
Champ Bailey one year had 10. But we really haven't seen somebody get that 12, 13 to really challenge that 14.
We do have an extra game now.

Speaker 12 And I think Train got here. They have having 12 games, if I'm not mistaken.
Could have been, I think it was 12 games.

Speaker 12 Night Train?

Speaker 12 Who? Diggs. Diggs had 11.

Speaker 12 15.

Speaker 12 I mean, you could, you could,

Speaker 12 like, let's say, uh, what's his name? Uh, something Paul, uh, he played for the Washington for

Speaker 12 he had four and one game.

Speaker 12 So, like, I feel like if somebody, if somebody, or, or this was either last year or two years ago, uh, Darius Slay going against uh, Justin Jefferson, and i think he had two or my yeah i think he had two but he could have had like six that game so like those type of games

Speaker 12 where

Speaker 12 you just catch all the ones you're supposed to catch yeah you gotta catch all and then just play like your normal game like you know you get one every nine then or whatever then i think it's possible but if you don't

Speaker 12 I think it's gonna probably come from a it's probably gonna come from a safety somebody that's roaming

Speaker 12 but you're right because normally they targeted but once he start catching them they start going away from yeah but you know, you gotta be like,

Speaker 12 you're covering the best receiver. Like, they gotta throw him the ball.

Speaker 12 Oh, they're gonna feed him now.

Speaker 12 But then, then

Speaker 12 they're gonna start stacking him, start running you, start running you off picks and everything, and doing all that other stuff, try to run a bunch of shallow crawls.

Speaker 12 Then they're gonna whip you, they're gonna start him in hard, do Zarro, do everything to try to get you off his tail. It's still opportunities, though.
Like, regardless, they're gonna be there.

Speaker 12 Regardless of whether they try to hide the receiver or not, like, if you're on them, you're on them. So,

Speaker 12 that's the opportunity right there.

Speaker 12 Right now, look, we know they only take seven teams to the playoffs. Right now, you guys are four and five, and you're third in your own, and you're third in your own division.

Speaker 12 You lost a couple of games that you're looking at. I mean, I'm sure when you went back and watched the film, like that team shouldn't have beat us.
That team should not have beat us.

Speaker 12 What are you guys going to do? You're four and nine, four and five with eight games to play.

Speaker 12 What do you guys need to do to position yourselves to make sure if you're not challenging for the division you get one of those remaining three playoff spots well i mean you know going into every week you you wash away the week before and you don't look past the week that you're on um but one of the things that that uh my position coach dino uh he he always say just just do your do your job like like do take care of what you got to take care of and then like don't go out there chasing plays don't go out there like like just doing your own thing like just do what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 12 And then if everybody do that, then you know the result will be what you would want it to be.

Speaker 12 So I think everybody just got to do that.

Speaker 12 And that's with every sport. That's what every job.
That's with life. That's with everything.
Just do what you're supposed to do. And then, you know,

Speaker 12 the result still comes.

Speaker 12 Well, you're going to get some opportunities to get some picks. You got the Titans coming up.
You got Calvin Ridley. Buffalo, they got a bunch of guys.

Speaker 12 And then the Colts, they got Pearson Pittman Jr., and then you got the Chiefs, you got Worthy, and you got Rashid Rice, and you got Juju. So you're going to get some.

Speaker 12 And then you got the Cardinals, Marvin Harrison Jr.,

Speaker 12 the Chargers got what they got. So you got some opportunities.
So I'm expecting we have this conversation again in about eight weeks. I'm going to be looking like, okay, Sting.

Speaker 12 I mean, last I talked to you, you had three. Now, I need to see about six or seven.
We talk again.

Speaker 12 Easy. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 12 I don't know. Like, like, no, it is what I need.
I need six. I need six or seven.
I mean, hey, hey, hey, these things, stay locked in.

Speaker 12 Don't let them, don't let them try to hang you out here trying to jump on everything.

Speaker 12 Yeah, they locked in, bro. Hey, Stinger, I got one more question.

Speaker 12 I got one more question.

Speaker 12 You know, a lot of times, especially when a player is active, you know, they're in their prime, they're playing extremely well, and they play DB.

Speaker 12 They never get an opportunity to give receivers their flowers or receivers that really

Speaker 12 not saying beat them, but you got to really be on your A game.

Speaker 12 You got to dot your I's and cross your T's when you're playing against a certain person that really have you out there thinking, you know, you got to bring your A game.

Speaker 12 Is there anybody that comes to mind for you since you've been in the league where you just know, okay, when I'm playing so-and-so,

Speaker 12 I got to be on the game. Oh, well, yeah, since I've been there, yeah, yeah, it's a actually, it's a lot of people because

Speaker 12 we're in the field, like everybody's

Speaker 12 right, right? But

Speaker 12 I've always said Garrett Wilson with the Jets, like he, like, I remember the first time I went against him, we was at some, like we was at some high school camp.

Speaker 12 It was an opening or something like that.

Speaker 12 Ryan Clark was actually my coach.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Garrett, he ran like a slant rock or whatever with the woo.

Speaker 12 And I'm playing like a deep third or something.

Speaker 12 And the ball is thrown so high.

Speaker 12 and i'm like 20 yards behind or like 15 20 yards behind him i'm thinking the ball coming right to me. Like, and he jumps up so high.
Like, he jumps up so high, catches the ball, just runs.

Speaker 12 And I'm just looking at you, like, yeah, that's

Speaker 12 but since I've been in the league, like, yeah, going against him, I think I played against him like twice already.

Speaker 12 Right. And he, yeah, I mean, he's, he's nice.
Like, he, he's nice. And then, but it's a lot of people.
It's so many people I can't even. Devontae Adams always.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Tyree,

Speaker 12 uh, Mike Evans. Nobody talked about Mike Evans for some strange reason.
Like, like, he,

Speaker 12 he's Mike Evans. Like, isn't it?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 12 But it's a lot of people. I can't think of everybody, but yeah.
Right.

Speaker 12 Derek, you and your dad, Derek Sr., run Cover One Elite. Tell us about that.
What is Cover One Elite? Oh, so it's really just like a DB camp.

Speaker 12 Like a couple years, well, we went to Hawaii for a couple years, get some people like all throughout the league.

Speaker 12 Whether it's people I played in in college with or

Speaker 12 just know, like throughout the league.

Speaker 12 So they'll go down there last year. We had it in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 12 Actually, we was just talking about it. Like, maybe we can get this in Greece next year.
Like, you know, like, just

Speaker 12 what about safety? Y'all invite, y'all invite 57 of your own safety? I mean, hey, look, it don't matter. If you want to come, you just know you're going to work.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 If you want to come, you're going to have to work.

Speaker 12 You ain't getting a free trip.

Speaker 12 Damn, I thought I was going to be able to go to Mikanos or Santorini, you know, get some olive oil, oh, yo, some cheese. Damn, you know,

Speaker 12 look, you can work. All right, so the way, the way it's set up is we...
We normally go out there for like, I think it's like five days or something or six days.

Speaker 12 The first day, travel day, next day, work day, then you're off the next day, then you got another work day, then you're off the next day. So, you know, you can do whatever.

Speaker 12 Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you can do your business is your business.
Oh,

Speaker 12 and then

Speaker 12 I ain't really no cover safety, though.

Speaker 12 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 12 They call me graveyard. Cause when I leave the field, the body is everywhere.
So, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 12 All I want you to do is funnel up to me. Hey, Sting, just funnel it to me.
Don't even worry about, hey, don't even worry about that slant. I got that.

Speaker 12 I got that slant. We got We got linebackers.
I'll put that suit bone on.

Speaker 12 We bring like four linebackers or two to four linebackers, safeties.

Speaker 12 It's everybody. So, come on.

Speaker 12 I like that.

Speaker 12 I like that.

Speaker 12 You got to look. You got to look.
You was on that 2019 national championship team. That great team.
Probably the greatest team. One of the greatest teams ever assembled in college.

Speaker 12 Arguably one of the greatest.

Speaker 12 You can make a case it's the greatest offensive team.

Speaker 12 But what you guys were able to do, you, Joe, Joe Burrow with the quarterback and Jetta and Chase and Marshall and Thad Moss and Clyde Edwards-Alaire and all those great offensive linemen, the DBs like yourself,

Speaker 12 they fired Brian Kelly.

Speaker 12 How do you guys get back to something similar to that where LSU, that alums and everybody and boosters are proud to show up to Death Valley and know we cutting somebody ass tonight?

Speaker 12 Well, honestly, I mean, it really just come down to whoever they bring in, whoever,

Speaker 12 it doesn't matter who they bring in, like as long as the, the players, like, they really buy in to being at LSU, like, you know, you can, you can go to a certain school, you can, you can be from here and be from there,

Speaker 12 but once you get to where you're at, like, you got to know what the goal is in mind.

Speaker 12 Like, like, yeah, you're at this university, yeah, you're doing all this and that, but the goal should be to get to the next level. So

Speaker 12 once everybody come get into tune with that, like, and really break down like how can we be great like that's that's what it's gonna take so i i don't think it matters like who

Speaker 12 who it is or or what it takes from the i'm just saying from the coach's standpoint like that that doesn't matter like it's the players buying into themselves first and then the coach like just adding on to that

Speaker 12 Because you got great facilities, tremendous fan base. Stadium is electric.
Death Valley at night. There's nothing like like playing in Death Valley at night.

Speaker 12 Man, that's Derek Stingley Jr., the great all-pro cornerback from the Houston, Texas. D.
Sting, thanks for some time tonight, man. Appreciate that.
Continued success. Stay healthy.

Speaker 12 Look, when we talk to you in January, I'm going to be looking at the stats because I know you got three now. I'm like, okay.
Hey, Ocho, we got to call him back up. He done got seven.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 I appreciate y'all, though.

Speaker 12 Appreciate you, man. Congratulations on all the success.
Continued success. We'll see you down the road, bro.
All right, bro.

Speaker 12 Derek Stingley Jr., ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 12 Eagle fans,

Speaker 12 every time we say something about the Eagles, we mention AJ Brown, y'all making it up. Oh, you just want clicks.
Oh, Joe, you just be, you need to push back against Uncle AJ Brown again

Speaker 12 expressed his unhappiness with the Eagles, this time while live streaming, playing Madding. Yeah.
Ocho? Yeah.

Speaker 12 Hello. He made his rounds today on social media.
AJ Brown doubled down. We normally don't show full two minutes of videos, but here we are.

Speaker 19 It's not just solely about my situation. I mean, guys, like, obviously I want to win too, you know?

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 19 I think if

Speaker 19 we're really focusing on winning and doing our job, like we can't just keep slapping the band-aid over the defense doing their job and getting us out of trouble.

Speaker 19 At what point are we going to pick up our slack as an offense that

Speaker 19 we're so great, you know, and that's what I'm getting at. It's not about we're not winning, or I don't care about winning, all I care about is snacking stacks.

Speaker 19 No, it's been week after week, sometimes we're not contributing, we're not doing our job on offense, so you can't just keep slapping a band-aid over there, and you expect to win late late in the year, and you think you're gonna go to it at the end of the year.

Speaker 12 It's not gonna happen, sorry, it's not gonna happen, it's not gonna happen, you know.

Speaker 19 And last year, what it was, thank you for the ring, but it's a new season.

Speaker 19 They adapted, we have to adapt, and we have to continue to like get better and try to find new ways so that's that's where the frustration comes in because it's not about winning you guys like i want to win yes i want to help contribute as well do our thing on offense as well that's i think that's fair

Speaker 19 did you feel like you're misunderstood in that in that people i don't care if i'm misunderstood like i stand up i stand up in front of it and follow that short over and over again like it's about doing what we're supposed to be doing on offense and if we are really in this business we're trying to get better

Speaker 19 we got to do what we got to do. And not just say, oh, it's about wins.
Like long as we got the win, it's cool. No, that ain't what we do.
No, you cannot do that. Not in this league.

Speaker 19 We got to continue to get better. We got to do what we have to do on the offense to help the defense, to help the special team.
Because after the game, I said,

Speaker 19 all the right answers. I still made a story.

Speaker 19 You know, in that moment where I'm just talking to my friend, having followed my friend, I'm not apologizing for that.

Speaker 19 Like I said, because if you have eyes, you can see that. And so it's not that I was throwing anybody on the bus.
I'm literally trying to laugh through this shit.

Speaker 19 This shit is tough, but but I'm trying to make fun of the situation and to try to get through it. So, I mean,

Speaker 19 you know, it is what it is, man.

Speaker 12 Hey, Eagle fans.

Speaker 12 Now, if a lot of you was talking about all you try to do is get clicks, all you try to do is get likes. Oh, you're not pushing back.

Speaker 12 Eagle fans, at any point in time, y'all want to jump in the chat and say, oh, we were wrong, because the man told you himself. Hey, now, I want to know one thing.

Speaker 12 Y'all still believe we're going to be there next year?

Speaker 12 No, no, no, no, no. Hey,

Speaker 12 listen, listen.

Speaker 12 I said it a long time ago. Now, there is no pushback, but I understand exactly how AJ Brown feels.
You look at him.

Speaker 12 You look at his body language. He's upset.
He's very upset. And I like what he said.
I like one of the keywords he said, we have to adapt. We have to.
Yes.

Speaker 12 Like the wins is one thing, but thank you for the ring. But in order for us to get back, everybody's caught on to us.
There's film out there. There's film out there.

Speaker 12 There's a a reason why they don't look the same offensively, but

Speaker 12 they are getting the wins. They're getting the wins.
But for us to continue to have that success, we're going to have to evolve as an offense.

Speaker 12 We're going to have to adapt to the fact that teams know what to look for.

Speaker 12 We're the Super Bowl champs, and they're playing us a little different now.

Speaker 12 They're playing us a little different. So we have to evolve as an offense, and it just hasn't happened.
And it probably going to bite you. It's probably going to bite you in the ass on the back end.

Speaker 12 Not right now. Not right now, because you're squeezing wins out.
But when it gets to the playoffs, when you're playing better teams,

Speaker 12 it's going to be different. With it, not allowing Saquon Barkey to run.
What do you have to do? Jaden Hurts is very capable. He's very capable of being able to throw the ball.

Speaker 12 You know, so I mean, it's, I understand his frustrations, and it's coming to a head, huh?

Speaker 12 It's coming to it. It's like having it, like, hey, hey, Joe, it's like having a pimple.
That thing,

Speaker 12 that thing ready to pop. Hey, look, Ocho, y'all know it's different, man, when you got that bullseye on your back, bro.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 12 Hey, look, you're getting everybody's best game. You know what I mean? So, they're not playing when they come in there and play Philly, bro.

Speaker 12 You, I'm talking about everybody that dotted their eyes and crossed their T, they know everything that's gonna happen.

Speaker 12 They're not gonna be playing, so you're gonna get everybody's best game, and that's the hardest thing.

Speaker 12 So, I understand, I understand what he's saying, but he definitely gotta know that, man, they got the biggest target on their back. They the champs, bro.
This is what comes with it.

Speaker 12 You're the measuring stick, yeah, because you go to everybody. Guess what? No matter where you play home home or away, you're the Super Bowl champs.
So what is everybody saying, Ocho?

Speaker 12 They're measuring themselves to you. That's what they do against you.

Speaker 12 So they beat you. What are they saying? See, I told you, that is the defending Super Bowl champs.
Look at all those great players. And we kicked their ass today.

Speaker 12 There's no reason there's not a team in this league that we can't beat when we flock in, when we focus, and we play our type of game. Yeah.
AJ is absolutely right. I'm not saying AJ is wrong.

Speaker 12 My thing is, is that, and Nick Sariana says, well, I'm kind of getting tired of talking about it. And he is.

Speaker 12 It's not going away until the offense starts to look better and AJ Brown is involved. Yeah.
So you could get tired of talking about it,

Speaker 12 but until this offense starts to look like it did, Ocho, the last half of last year and in the postseason,

Speaker 12 it ain't going away. And you know, the one thing about it is things might change.
They might change for the good, or they might change for the bad.

Speaker 12 I i mean the fact that someone's bringing to to their attention because we can all see it from the outside looking in we can see it looking in and we're not really saying anything and we're looking at aj brown crazy because they're winning the games yeah

Speaker 12 because they're winning the games but as the season continues to progress as you get closer to what and which i consider real football doesn't start until after thanksgiving That that that's what that's when it's time to get going.

Speaker 12 That's when when teams start to click and you want that momentum to carry into the playoffs I'm hoping things change for for the better because I want AJ Brown to have success.

Speaker 12 I want the Eagles to have success. And of course, I want Jalen Brown to continue to silence all his doubters.
Jalen Hurst.

Speaker 12 I'm sorry. I'm J.
Jalen Hurst. What do I think about basketball?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I'm Jalen Hurst to continue to silence all his doubters. So, I mean, I understand his frustrations.
I've been there as a receiver.

Speaker 12 Obviously, never been on a team of this magnitude that is coming off a Super Bowl, a Super Bowl win, championship for that matter.

Speaker 12 But I do understand the frustrations of wanting to be a part, an integrated part of the offense.

Speaker 12 You know, I'm not asking for the ball 30, 35 times a game, but just make me feel like you want me, you know? Make me feel like you want me. So, I mean, that's pretty much it.

Speaker 12 So, I get his frustrations, but I can compartmentalize in a sense. And as fans, not really understanding, y'all winning.

Speaker 12 Y'all are winning. How are you fussing when y'all are winning? And

Speaker 12 I understand.

Speaker 12 That was my only thing, Ocho. Like I said, Ocho, I'm not saying that he's wrong.

Speaker 12 I'm saying it's going to be hard to get fans to empathize with you when they're winning the game because then they look at it like you don't really care about winning. You care more about your stats.

Speaker 12 So it's this what fan I'm saying as a fan. So you would care more that you had nine for one 140 and two touchdowns and you lost as opposed to having five for 53.
It's like, no.

Speaker 12 And my only thing was, I said, when you make it public like this,

Speaker 12 you're going to get a lot of pushback. Because at the end of the day, the job is to win the game.

Speaker 12 So if he had kept it, if he had went up and talked to Jay Jay Hurts about it, if he had talked to Sariana and Petula about it, and just kept it behind closed doors,

Speaker 12 at some point in time, Mocho, like you said. Hey,

Speaker 12 he probably did that already, man. I'm sure he has.

Speaker 12 He done probably did it. This started last year.
For sure. You saw him read that.

Speaker 12 So the fact that

Speaker 12 nothing has changed, you know, now it's gotten to this point because, well, shit, but maybe y'all ain't hearing me. Maybe y'all not understanding where I'm coming from and me wanting to

Speaker 12 contribute to what we're doing when it comes to some of those wins that we're getting. Where I'm just, I'm out here.
I'm out here like a goddamn Christmas ornament.

Speaker 12 So basically, you're telling me I'm decoration.

Speaker 12 So I see both sides. I also understand the business side of things too, Joe.
And now, when we talk about, oh, we still winning, and I got this $33 million salary. And that not comes.

Speaker 12 Now, $33 million receivers don't catch 50 passes.

Speaker 12 Hey, and you know that game they play.

Speaker 12 that game they play now they want to play a different game where you don't have the you're not contributing the way you used to used to where it seemed like you lost a step because your numbers not what they used to be because your production is falling well

Speaker 12 you told me it was about wins so now you don't want to pay me what you're paying me you want me to take a pay cut because my production ain't right oh joe it's about wins publicly it's about production privately oh yeah absolutely i know that the fans don't understand that which is why that's where the frustration comes comes from from a player that's active, because you already know what they're finna do.

Speaker 12 Absolutely, absolutely know.

Speaker 12 He said he tired of running them damn wind sprints. Yeah, he get great.

Speaker 12 And just say, I'm in shape.

Speaker 12 I don't need to do no cardio on Sunday. I don't did cardio Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
I'm good.

Speaker 12 Like I said, when this first broched up and looking at his body language,

Speaker 12 oh Joe, my thing is, look, I don't know it all, but having played the the game and been around guys, the body language tells you, you hear him talking.

Speaker 12 He's telling you without actually coming out and trying to say it.

Speaker 12 But he's like, I'm giving you a hint.

Speaker 12 It sounds like, it sounds like, it sounds like AJ is unhappy with his role in this offense. Yes.

Speaker 12 But y'all want to make it seem like it's about clicks and like I'm just basing it on my intimate knowledge having played the game having been around guys and I know the mindset of guys like an AJ Brown.

Speaker 12 He's a humble guy, but he worked his ass off. And he's like, Let me, you gave me this money for a reason.

Speaker 12 Now you got people think I'm out here tricking it off because my numbers is not reflective of the type of salary that you're paying me. It's because y'all not doing what you're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 12 The Eagles are still going three and out more often than any offense in the NFL since 2014.

Speaker 12 And they still winning? And they still winning.

Speaker 12 Because the defense, look, the thing is, is that the mark of a good offense on yours, what? Can you get done what you need to get done when you have to? When it matters most, yeah.

Speaker 12 So, Joe, when they need a third and five, they get it.

Speaker 12 When they need that fourth and one and they get that touch push, when they got two guys that's in front of the center that's on the other side of the ball before the center snapped the ball,

Speaker 12 they get it. Their defense is really good.
Now, their defense hasn't been as dominant, like attacking the quarterback. They still, man, Jalen Phillips is going to play big dividends.

Speaker 12 You saw him, did you see him? How violent he? Oh, Joe, he's violent. Oh, yeah.
And that's the one thing when you're looking for a defensive lineman, Joe,

Speaker 12 an edge rusher or D-tackle, is he violent. How violent is he with his hands? Look at him said the edge.
Y'all go watch him how he's locking out.

Speaker 12 He got to tighten it like this. Oh, come here.
I don't know where you're going, Josh Jacob, but you can't go without me. Right.

Speaker 12 Hey,

Speaker 12 he is a hell of a player.

Speaker 12 He played in Fangio's defense, so he knows this defense. So there's really not a learning curve.
But

Speaker 12 AJ is absolutely right.

Speaker 12 Because when you look at the Seahawks,

Speaker 12 if you think you're going to hold them to seven points, you look at the Rams, if you think you're going to hold them to seven points,

Speaker 12 That ain't happening. If you think you're going to hold the Lions to seven points, that ain't happening.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Because at some point in time, Ocho, you're going to have to win a game where you really score 35, 38, 40 points. And there's going to come a time,

Speaker 12 even when we had the 2,000 Ravens, there was a situation where we had to outscore Jacksonville and we ended up beating them 38, 35. Yes.

Speaker 12 There will come a time.

Speaker 12 Defense is doing outstanding. Yeah.

Speaker 12 But AJ, and my only thing is, and I said this when it first happened, OJ, I said, man, Ocho, I wish he could have kept this private because it's going to look like, it's going to look like he cared more about production than wins.

Speaker 12 And everybody's like, it's wins the game. Well, okay, because I'm going to come in here when y'all tell me when I ain't got my 55 passes for 700 yards.
I'm going to say, hey, but we won. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I'm walking my ass off for Saquon.

Speaker 12 That ain't going to work. And y'all will look at me crazy.

Speaker 12 You know what? Comparison is the thief of joy to Joe Nong. When you look at what's going on with the Rams and how

Speaker 12 their their offenses, you look at JSN over there in Seattle with Sam Darnell, the two offenses are completely different. I mean,

Speaker 12 in comparing the two to the Eagles,

Speaker 12 it's a thief of joy, and it makes you sad

Speaker 12 as a receiver.

Speaker 12 When you look at what JSN is able to do, what you look at Devontae Adams and Puka Nakura are doing over there, and it's kind of different because that offense over there in Philly is not run like that.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 I totally understand young bull frustrations, man.

Speaker 12 And I hope. I hope.
I hope things do get better. I'm not sure they will because this has been going on since last year.
And

Speaker 12 it's tough. He's in a tough spot.
He's in a tough spot. And people, especially those that are fans of the game, probably won't understand it.

Speaker 12 As a former player, as a former receiver, as a former elite receiver, just not know anybody.

Speaker 12 Definitely understand where he's coming from. I do.
I do.

Speaker 12 Can I ask you a question, Ocho? Yes, sir. You and Joe? What's that?

Speaker 12 If you making your money in stocks and bonds you making millions and millions in stocks and bonds it's gonna get hard it's gonna be hard for somebody to get you to invest in real estate the eagles say we winning and winning

Speaker 12 how we deviate

Speaker 12 and all of a sudden try to force feed you the ball right because we're having success now if they're not having success it's easy the fans are also gonna be on AJ's side.

Speaker 12 But because they're winning, it's hard to get fans to come on your side, Joe, when you're winning and you're not getting the numbers that correlate with that winning. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Hey, bro, we're selling you. Hell that damn cry.
Ain't nobody cared nothing about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Hey, listen. Y'all say this has been going on since last year.
Oh, yeah. I bet he held it in as long as he could.
Yeah, that's why we're going to. Why do you read books on the sideline?

Speaker 12 Why you don't read a book on the sideline? I'm trying to find things to distract me.

Speaker 12 I'm trying to find and do things in-game that are going to distract me from the fact that I'm I'm not being productive.

Speaker 12 Because if I don't read this book, I'm going to pour out all this Gatorade on the sidelines. Ain't nobody going to have an inch to drink.

Speaker 12 My baby watching. Hey, Kennedy, I love you.
I love you. You should be in bed.
I think they're school tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken. But I love you and thank you for supporting daddy.
What up, Twin?

Speaker 12 This is crazy. I can't believe they're going three and out more than any offense since 2014.
And they're seven and two. Yeah.

Speaker 12 That's the mark of a really, really good football team. Yeah.
They getting it done.

Speaker 12 Yes. Do y'all think about Ocho.
They're seven and two and they're going out at a high clip of three and out than any offense since 2014. Yeah.

Speaker 12 You do realize that we saw about five or six years of the Jets offense and they're worse than the Jets. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Ocho!

Speaker 12 That's funny how they work, huh?

Speaker 12 They worse than your bingles. They ended up getting Joe Burrow.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, Joe, your bingles got Joe Burrow.
No need to throw that in there. There was no need.
But I had to. I had to.

Speaker 12 I had to give, you know, Ojo, we like to do context and perspective.

Speaker 12 Because optics, you know, it matters.

Speaker 12 You're right. You're right.

Speaker 12 You're right.

Speaker 12 And for them to have the level of success that they're having

Speaker 12 with the amount of three and outs, but like I said, the mark of any great unit. Can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely got to have it? When they need to convert a third down,

Speaker 12 they get it. They had third and 12, boom, picked it up.
They had third and nine, picked it up. Fourth and one, they get the two-ish push.
They pick it up.

Speaker 12 You know what else, too? It comes down to the quarterback, too. The quarterback is a phenomenal decision-maker.
He does not put the effing ball in harm's way. You can't.

Speaker 12 He don't put the ball. He don't put it.
He decision making is phenomenal. If I got to check it out, I'm going to check it down.
If it ain't open, I ain't throwing it. I don't care who mad.

Speaker 12 I don't care who gets upset. I'm not having no turnovers.
I'm not putting my team behind the eight ball. You can't.

Speaker 12 When you go three and out, the last thing, when you have the rate of three and outs that they have, the last thing you do, Ochoa is turn the football over.

Speaker 12 That's a recipe. A great grandma's recipe to get your ass tore.
All right, we got a very special guest joining us.

Speaker 12 Texas AM wide receiver Casey, conception, 40 receptions, 629 yards, 8 TDs on the season. KC, how you doing?

Speaker 12 How you doing?

Speaker 12 Man, I'm doing amazing, man.

Speaker 12 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let me hold some.

Speaker 12 I got you, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 12 So, coming into the season, KC, what were you goal?

Speaker 12 What was the team goals? What did you guys want to accomplish? There's 12 teams in the playoffs, a SEC title.

Speaker 12 So, when Coach Elco came up there and you guys assembled together, what were some of the goals that he wanted you you guys to get done this year? He wanted us to be in Atlanta, you know.

Speaker 12 He wanted us to be there for the SEC championship, you know, and then

Speaker 12 eventually in Miami.

Speaker 12 Thus, so far, so good. You just went down to Miami, thump them.

Speaker 12 You got South Carolina at home, you got Sanford at home, and everything that you possibly hope for probably going to come down to you and Texas on ABC at the the at uh Daryl Royal Stadium,

Speaker 12 but you can't think about that. You're thinking about South Carolina now.
What do you guys need to do? Because you guys have played extremely well.

Speaker 12 Your quarterback is probably going to be in New York as one of the guys for the Heisman Trophy. Marcel Reed is playing unbelievable.
What is the connection with you guys?

Speaker 12 Because, hey, bro, you're doing it. You're doing your thing.

Speaker 12 You got 40 catches, but you got eight touchdowns. So once every five times you touch the ball, you out.
Yes, sir, most definitely. Yes, sir.

Speaker 12 Getting to it.

Speaker 12 Got you, man. Got you.
Got you.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 let me ask you this.

Speaker 12 As I mentioned, your quarterback, Marcel Reed. He's a guy known as more of a running quarterback, but his ability this year to

Speaker 12 throw the football. Because

Speaker 12 you guys run it, but he's dropping dimes to you and the other receivers. What have you seen in the growth and the maturation of him? yeah sir so uh

Speaker 12 coming in you know uh

Speaker 12 you know uh we all heard that he wasn't a passer he wasn't passing and then you know up on my official visit here um i had came to see him throw and i'm like dang like he can actually throw the ball you know but but you know they were just letting us know that you know they that they need some more weapons you know inside the offense that can create these big plays for them so

Speaker 12 That's all we need.

Speaker 12 Hey, what has it been like for you as far as the season is going so far?

Speaker 12 obviously as a receiver before every season we set you know long-term short-term goals we short long we set long-term goals as well have have those goal have you met those goals yet and your expectations that you had you set out for yourself before the season yes and my zeff you know um

Speaker 12 i came here to you know uh to win the championship you know um you know uh of course you know uh

Speaker 12 we all got our personal goals you know but it's all about the team first you know uh i came here you know to uh win the championship and whatever they need me to do to do that I'm going to get it done.

Speaker 12 So let's do it.

Speaker 12 Casey, you kind of remind me of myself because when I was growing up, when I got anxious, I sped up my talk and I would have a speech impediment. I talked with a lisp.

Speaker 12 I get anxious and my grandfather would say, slow down, son. You don't have to be in a hurry to speak.
How have you been able to? How have you been able to embrace who you are?

Speaker 12 Like, okay, this is who I am. Because if you take ownership of your vulnerabilities and your insecurities, no one can make you feel inferior about them.

Speaker 12 So how have you been able to embrace who you are? This is a part of who you are. But, you know, as you go to the next level, you're going to have to get better and better.

Speaker 12 And, and I'm sure you will, if that's something that you're working on. Yes, sir.
So, you know, I've been stuttering all my life, you know, my dad, he stutters also.

Speaker 12 So, you know, just, you know, having conversations with him, you know, and

Speaker 12 seeing how he has dealt with it.

Speaker 12 And then, you know, being a, being a

Speaker 12 role model or somebody that these little kids can, you know, look up to, you know, if they have a speech impediment or if they have trouble, you know, talking, you know. Um, so yeah,

Speaker 12 that's probably

Speaker 12 do you do? Do you get anxious when you have to speak publicly or you speak in front of a crowd or you talk in front of the team? Do you get anxious? You're like, don't call on me.

Speaker 12 No, I don't want to give no pregame speech. I don't want to give no pimp talk.
I just want to go out here and do my job. I just want to go out there and play it, man.
You feel me?

Speaker 12 Like, I like, I like talk life here and there, you feel me? But it's not like no big old

Speaker 12 speeches and nothing.

Speaker 12 You ain't gonna give me no remembering Titan speech. I'll coach Boone.

Speaker 12 Also, if I'm not correct me if I'm wrong, you love to cook and you cook a lot for your teammates. So, so what's

Speaker 12 your signature deal? All right, so I'll probably have the guys come over, right? I'll probably make some salmon on the Blackstone.

Speaker 12 Probably make chicken breasts on the Blackstone,

Speaker 12 make yams, mac and cheese, probably a little rice.

Speaker 12 Hey, yo, come on, man.

Speaker 12 Yeah, oh, you a boy, you know, I'm gonna cook too. I went to school for that.
Yeah, I went to I went to culinary. I went to culinary art school about two years before, and I, yeah, I got kicked out.

Speaker 12 You know, I was still in the shit, but I ain't gonna lie to you.

Speaker 12 I cook too, I throw down

Speaker 12 the show.

Speaker 12 So, I've been cooking, you know, go ahead, go ahead. You know, all my life, you know, uh, I uh grew up watching my father, my mom, and my uh auntie, you know, uh, Paula, you know, cook.

Speaker 12 And then, you you know,

Speaker 12 I just, you know, to watch them. And then as I got,

Speaker 12 and then as I have gotten older, you know, I'm on my own now. So, you know, I got to make my own meals now.
So

Speaker 12 you, so you can, so you be pocketing that stipend. You be pocketing your money that you're supposed to be spending on food and cooking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Hey, but listen, this is a good thing. This is what a lot of people watching, you know, especially for us fellas, man.
You got, that's a great tool.

Speaker 12 That's a great tool to have your toolbox to be able to cook, you know, not just for yourself, but you're not you married

Speaker 12 You got a lady though

Speaker 12 I ain't married, but I got I got somebody Okay, okay, okay, okay, but that's

Speaker 12 Valentine's Valentine's Day. What you cook for your lady?

Speaker 12 Valentine's Day, what I'm gonna probably cook.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, give us, give us a Google. Hey, hold on, let me write this down before you go.
Valentine's Day, you know, all right, look.

Speaker 12 All right, look, I'm gonna try a little mashed potatoes, you know, with the little

Speaker 12 steak bites, you know, with the uh

Speaker 12 write that down for me, you feel me? Write that down for me, okay? Yeah,

Speaker 12 okay, I'm on the snowflake, the snowflake steak that's so buttery, it melts in your mouth, the snowflake steak, yo, you feel me?

Speaker 12 And then we go, and then we go the beat and well, though, you feel me? We go beat them well, meet him well, okay,

Speaker 12 now you're talking, now you're lie, now you're talking, okay, and then we'll probably put a little asparagus on the side, you feel me?

Speaker 12 Asparagus,

Speaker 12 I just want you to know,

Speaker 12 I just want you to know, uh, uh,

Speaker 12 hopefully, uh, uh, uh, Casey,

Speaker 12 before you, you know, you already done got your pleasantry, you done got everything you need to get done before you feed her this meal because she's going straight to sleep. Hey, no, that's

Speaker 12 like that. Straight to sleep.
You give her steak bites, mashed potatoes, asparagus, Casey. night,

Speaker 12 night night. Yeah, hey, she gonna hit you with the step curve.
Can you take that last bite?

Speaker 12 It's over with. So just, I just saw you just saw you dope.
Just saw you dope.

Speaker 12 Hey, hey, KC, tell me something.

Speaker 12 Who you model your game after?

Speaker 12 So growing up, you know, I watched a lot of

Speaker 12 highlights.

Speaker 12 You know, I watched a lot of tablet off highlights at

Speaker 12 West Virginia. And then now.

Speaker 12 And then now I would say

Speaker 12 probably

Speaker 12 Jamar Chase.

Speaker 12 I like to watch Jamar Chase, you know, his, you know, after the catchability. So definitely.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Because you know what? You do,

Speaker 12 because you're tremendous once you get the ball in your hand.

Speaker 12 And I like watching you in the slot, but I thought you should have had three touchdowns. Now, one day you dropped that one across.
You better ride on it.

Speaker 12 I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about.
Yeah, it was right on the dying.

Speaker 12 I'll talk to Russell about that one.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 what was your personal goals coming into the season? So coming into the season, you know,

Speaker 12 I just

Speaker 12 wanted to

Speaker 12 bounce back, you know, from my sophomore year, you know,

Speaker 12 and just

Speaker 12 and just let the world know, you know, that

Speaker 12 I'm one of the best players in college football.

Speaker 12 Absolutely.

Speaker 12 Absolutely. Hey, you got to do me one favor, though.

Speaker 12 You got to talk a little bit more shit. You got to let them know this me.
I'm here. I've arrived.
I'm him. You know, and if you don't want to do it, I'll do it for you.
It ain't no end of the problem.

Speaker 12 Say less, I got you. Say less.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 12 That's what got me.

Speaker 12 I, you know, happened to sit there and had a speech impediment. Then I started talking.
And the more I talked, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 12 I want him to hear exactly what I was saying. So I'd slow down.
And I'd I'll be like,

Speaker 12 You

Speaker 12 know what I'm saying?

Speaker 12 You ought to do that.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 that's how I got him. So that's all you got to do, Casey.
Man, Casey, man, congratulations on the season you're having.

Speaker 12 Keep it going. You're a couple of games away from your ultimate destiny, one of your destinations.
It's being in Atlanta SEC championship game. Stay healthy.

Speaker 12 And hey, once you guys get to Atlanta for the SEC championship game, come back and talk to us and tell us how you did.

Speaker 12 Yes, sir.

Speaker 12 We're going to have to come down there. See, we'll see bites, mashed potatoes, and hams.
We're going to have to come down there and see what you see with you,

Speaker 12 man.

Speaker 12 Hey, yo, perfect.

Speaker 12 All right. We're going to see if you cook it like that.
Cause we're going to put that, we're going to scream high. And I'm going to be one foul with him now.
I'm going to say this was some booze.

Speaker 12 This was some booze.

Speaker 12 I appreciate you, Jordan. That's KC conceived.

Speaker 12 Takes in your wide receivers. Sporty catches, 625 yards, eight touchdowns.
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