Club Shay Shay - Anthony Hamilton Part 2
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Anthony Hamilton — Grammy Award-winning singer, multiplatinum songwriter, and one of the most soulful voices in modern R&B — joins Shannon Sharpe for a raw, emotional, and Southern conversation about music, manhood, heartbreak, and legacy. From the “born in a pot of collard greens” grit in his voice to the stories behind his biggest records, Anthony breaks down a life built on struggle, faith, and timeless storytelling.
He opens the episode performing “Charlene,” unpacking the real breakup behind it — waiting by the door, balancing ambition and love, and how men often hide behind their careers. Anthony talks about how long a partner should stand beside someone chasing a dream, the struggle of supporting a family with limited means, and why attention, not money, is the real love language.
After performing “Coming From Where I’m From,” he reflects on how growing up without his father pushed him to hustle harder, and how being adopted at 14 changed his life. He shares that his father didn’t return until right before his wedding — a reunion only made possible by his future wife. Shannon brings up viral memes about his music “sounding like walking home from work,” Flau’jae discovering “Charlene,” and Anthony realizing he’d officially become “old school.”
With “Her Heart,” Anthony discusses making mistakes, breaking promises, and how men grow emotionally. He opens up about crying as a man, why vulnerability is strength, and the meaning behind “I Cry.” Then the mood lifts as he performs “Cornbread, Fish & Collard Greens,” reflecting on why men rarely approach women anymore, social media replacing real connection, and the lost art of old-school flirting.
Anthony shares his favorite Southern dishes and his craziest food experiences before revisiting his early break as a background singer for D’Angelo. He performs “How Does It Feel,” shares lessons D’Angelo taught him, and remembers missing his final phone call. He opens up about D’Angelo’s pancreatic cancer, Angie Stone’s passing, their snowstorm sessions, and the heartbreak of their son losing both parents in one year.
Shannon and Anthony dive into Drake — linking in Toronto, studio sessions at The Embassy, and late-night rides in Rolls-Royces. Anthony compares Drake’s home to Prince’s legendary jam sessions, then takes us inside the homes of Nelson Mandela, Will Smith, and Jamie Foxx, plus his private talk with Barack Obama after performing for him.
He breaks down writing Donell Jones’ “U Know What’s Up,” creating “Thug Mansion” with Tupac, winning a Grammy with Al Green, and collaborating with The Roots, Jill Scott, Chris Brown, Jeezy, Rick Ross, Nas, and more. He discusses unreleased songs with John Legend and Ty Dolla $ign, appearing in DaBaby’s video, signing with Jermaine Dupri, and how music has changed in the streaming era.
Anthony reflects on grinding in New York City with just $67, how Nick Cannon bought him his first car, and the struggles artists like Kevin McCall face. He recalls working on American Gangster with Denzel Washington, Empire with Terrence Howard, witnessing a killing at seven, and his barber days — where the “struggle beard” became his signature. He shares the moment Michael Jordan gifted him Jordans and his experience working with Oprah on They Call Me Dad. He closes by reflecting on raising six sons, marrying young, and how dating feels different after marriage.
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Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway.
Also, someone you were very close to, Angie Stone. Yeah, man.
And she tragically lost her life in an automobile accident.
Speaker 4 And then you had to sing, you sung at the funeral. Sing both of them.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
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That was pretty hard. And, you know, and they wanted me to go and view her body.
And before going to view it, I was just like, I don't want to see her all messed up and mangled up.
Speaker 4 I just don't want to see that.
Speaker 4 It's hard enough that, you know, she's gone in the way she left. Right.
Speaker 4
And so she's like, no, just come, please. And I went, and she looked amazing.
I'd never seen anybody
Speaker 4 laid to rest looking so peaceful. And she had a smirk on her face, like, I told y'all.
Speaker 4 I'm serious, man,
Speaker 4
in all Angie Stone fashion. Right.
So it was just good to be able to
Speaker 4 be there for a family, man.
Speaker 4 What's one of your favorite Angie story?
Speaker 4 So me and Angie were working on the duet that we had. And
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we were in New York City down in the village. And we had let out the studio at 4 a.m.
And it was a blizzard. Yeah.
So we had to all get in the same cab.
Speaker 4 First, we had to get a cab that wanted to pick our Black Tails up.
Speaker 4
And so we end up, you know, slipping and sliding in the snow. And that was one of the funniest things.
Because, you know, Angie, she almost busts her butt.
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And we laugh about it. And just being on tour, we did a silken sandpaper tour.
So we always would bring that
Speaker 4
blizzard, the snowstorm in New York City. And, you know, country.
We're country. We wasn't used to that.
Right.
Speaker 4
Angie and D'Angelo have some. I mean, think it's, it's got to be tough for him.
Oh, man. He loses mom tragically.
Now, tragic passing of his father. And now he's motherless and fatherless.
Speaker 4
I can't imagine it. I can't even imagine it.
I can't. I wouldn't want my kids to ever have to go through that.
Well, anyway. Yeah.
Yeah, I just pray for him. I just make God comfort him in a way.
Speaker 4 Send him the best person that can help mend that.
Speaker 4 Did you go to
Speaker 4 the Drake D'Angelo show in Toronto?
Speaker 4 Absolutely. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 4
Yes. Actually, I went with Drake to see D'Angelo.
Okay. Yeah, I was down there working with Drake.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4 he was like, D'Angelo's in town.
Speaker 4 I was like,
Speaker 4 let's go. So we all, you know, got in this big, big car, Bentley or Rose, whatever, one of them big cars, taller than me.
Speaker 4
And we went and we saw the show, man. Right.
Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool.
You one of these unique artists
Speaker 4 that
Speaker 4
You can really cross over. Like you mentioned, you can do rap.
You collab, you know, Jadakiss and Drake and some of these others.
Speaker 4 Is that something that you always strived? Did you always want to be like, you know what? I mean, collabing with other RB,
Speaker 4
that's easy. Because we've seen that so much.
But to see the crossover appeal, which you have.
Speaker 4 You know, I always knew I loved music and I understood it. If I heard it, if it's a rap song,
Speaker 4
I know how to be Anthony Hamilton on it. Okay.
The country songs I've done with Josh Turner and John Rich from Big and Rich. I'm a country boy.
I know it. Right.
Rock, Carlos Santana.
Speaker 4
I know what it means. And I know what it should feel like.
And I love it.
Speaker 4 So,
Speaker 4 you know, it's just, it's an extension of who I am.
Speaker 4 I never feel like I'm out of my character. Right.
Speaker 4
So it's just, it's fun. Would you do a country album? Absolutely.
I have so many country songs and I'm actually working on one. Oh, really? Yeah.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 Because I think it's so impressive.
Speaker 4 Because not a whole lot of people are willing to take that risk that you be one genre and I know you for this and that I'm willing to step out of my comfort zone and do that.
Speaker 4
I tilt my hat off to Beyonce. Absolutely.
Because she's at the top of the, she's at the top of the, here, she's here. She's a pantheon.
And she says, you know what? I'm going to do something else.
Speaker 4 I'm going to do this. Yeah.
Speaker 4 You have to be brave
Speaker 4
in today's society because it's people that want to control your destiny and your happiness and, you know, dictate. who you should be for them.
When he's like, no, I know who I want to be.
Speaker 4
And I know all the many me's I want to be. So you just have to go for it.
When you're at, I think Drake calls this house the embassy, you go there and you're recording.
Speaker 4 Do you ever get in awe when you meet people? You've met a lot of famous people. You had a conversation, you were at the White House, and you met President Obama and you met Mr.
Speaker 4 Mandela and you met all these.
Speaker 4 Do you ever get in awe? Do you ever like, man, I'm just a country boy from North Carolina, and here I am. I'm
Speaker 4 him.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 I remember the first time going to Prince House was like, whoa,
Speaker 4 this is.
Speaker 4 In Janassas, huh? In Minneapolis?
Speaker 4 I went to the...
Speaker 4 Janassas' house. Yeah, I went to the,
Speaker 4
what's the name of the studio? Paisley Park. Paisley Park.
I went to Paisley Park. Okay.
But his house is in L.A. Okay.
So after the award shows, he has these big jam sessions.
Speaker 4 So you had Stevie Wonder on Keys, Quest Love on drums. like everybody
Speaker 4 there after these shows and he wants me to sing but I'm trying to party
Speaker 4 I'm trying to get a little drink and go down here in the heart.
Speaker 4 He would always fire me, tell somebody to find me, make me come and sing. I remember one time I was singing the Lord's Prayer, he would say,
Speaker 4 Anthony,
Speaker 4 he must have got in some trouble.
Speaker 4
He was a funny cat, man. We would sit and watch some YouTube, me, him, and Shelby Johnson, Shelby Jay, who was one of the last singers to sing with Prince.
But another country,
Speaker 4 just a southern girl.
Speaker 4 Is it true that he wouldn't let people eat, meet, drink, smoke
Speaker 4
at his sessions? So D'Angelo was supposed to go. We were supposed to go meet Prince years ago with D'Angelo.
And
Speaker 4 we were all excited. But when he said all that, you know, the drinking and the smoking and all that, Dee was like, man, forget that.
Speaker 4 You know?
Speaker 4 But it wasn't out of, you know, no disrespect. It was just like,
Speaker 4 I don't want to be uncomfortable. and I don't want to make y'all uncomfortable.
Speaker 4
But Prince turned it around, though. Eventually, you know, we were able, he had food, he had drinks, and just, I think he started to change.
Right.
Speaker 4 You know, I think when you start to grow and realize, like, hey,
Speaker 4
my path is my path, and yours is yours. So we can all be here at the same time and have a good time.
What was it like meeting Mr. Mandela? We know his story.
Speaker 4 20 plus years in Roberts Island, what he fought for,
Speaker 4 having to work and the work Corey,
Speaker 4 being beaten, and still
Speaker 4 he forgave his oppressors. You know what? I was supposed to have met him, and he had taken sick.
Speaker 4 So, as I was flying out, basically, they were taking him to the house that he was born in.
Speaker 4 So, unfortunately, I didn't get to meet him, but I met his family, the rest of all his kids and family. I sat in his house on his couch, and I was like,
Speaker 4 this is amazing. You know,
Speaker 4 the spirit of who he was,
Speaker 4
it was permeating throughout that house. It was very strong.
Do you ever get nervous around famous people?
Speaker 4
I think it's harder for me to sing at award shows. Really? Yeah, for some reason, I feel like it's so much judgment.
They're judging you. They're judging me, you know.
Speaker 4
And I don't get a chance to, you don't get a chance to warm it up. Right.
So in my shows, I can coast, warm it up, and get to where my sweet spot is.
Speaker 4 You got to be able to be
Speaker 4
on the goal. Off the bustle.
Yeah. And I think that's one of the challenges that took the longest.
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 You got an opportunity to perform in front of President Obama
Speaker 4 and
Speaker 4 Michelle Obama. Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 4 A few times I've
Speaker 4 been to the White House. He invited me to his birthday party as well after that.
Speaker 4
That was pretty surreal, too. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. They take your phone.
So you ain't in there taking pictures and all that. So he was able to walk around and just be.
And have a good time. Absolutely.
Speaker 4
He came and talked to me, and I took my son, one of my sons and he came and spoke to us for at least a good 10 minutes. Wow.
Just down to earth, man. And I met Michelle a few different times.
Speaker 4 Getting to your writing,
Speaker 4
is it only natural, can you be a great artist without being a great writer? Absolutely. I think a hip record can change anybody's life, whether you wrote it or anybody else.
I think
Speaker 4 the music makes a way for the artist to be either great or just mediocre or good.
Speaker 4 You write on Donnell Jones, You Know What's Up?
Speaker 4 Yeah, I co-wrote that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 So
Speaker 4 I'm always fascinated is that when you write a song, do you have anybody particular in mind when you're co-working?
Speaker 4
Like if you just write a song, do you have somebody particular in mind that you want to give this piece to? Absolutely. A lot of times you do.
A lot of times it's like, this sounds like...
Speaker 4
R. Kelly.
This sounds like
Speaker 4
Beyonce. This sounds like her or Jasmine Sullivan.
You hear that person's voice because the music represents a different, a certain sound.
Speaker 4 And for the Donnell Jones, we actually went in to write for him.
Speaker 4
So these guys are the same writers that wrote for Jaheim and so they had a really nice sound. But I didn't know that song was going to be a success.
Right.
Speaker 4 So when you go, so let's just say for the sake of argument,
Speaker 4 I'm an RB singer, and I call people in. I was like, look, I want you guys to help me write something for my album.
Speaker 4 So we invite, what do you invite five, six, seven people in and you guys sit around and they get, do you just go or do they give you a kind of a direction to go in?
Speaker 4 I think
Speaker 4
you start throwing out ideas. Okay.
And sometimes that's challenging because, you know, their ideas can
Speaker 4
kind of, you know, make you lose your train of thought. Okay.
And sometimes you get in the studio with people who are greedy there because they know if you wrote back in the day, if you wrote more,
Speaker 4 more words, you get more percentage.
Speaker 4
And so those are the writers you want to stay away from. But I think, you know, you throw ideas out, whatever's the strongest tends to stick out.
I remember being in writing Why for Jada Kids?
Speaker 4 I think it was for real and a whole bunch of people were in the studio, a lot of producers and writers. And it was me that went in.
Speaker 4 and started saying, oh, that I've been giving, man, it's pain that I've been living.
Speaker 4 And everybody had been trying to get that hook.
Speaker 4
And it wasn't until I did that that it's like that's the strongest thing we've heard. Right.
And it's different. So it just takes that one line that, like,
Speaker 4 I'm a dog, I'm a mutt.
Speaker 4
When you hear a line like that, it's like, okay, we got to pay more attention to this writer. Right.
Because they got it. You know? So it just, it just depends on the session.
Speaker 4 the sound, the music, and the group of people you're with.
Speaker 4 So
Speaker 4 you said in the old days, the more lines you wrote, the more you got paid. Is it still like that currently? I think now people are more,
Speaker 4
you know, it's more of a, hey, let's split it down the middle. Okay.
Because the paperwork is a headache. Yeah.
I wrote 0.5%.
Speaker 4 Let's just split it three ways in the three of us. And I think a lot of times it's more of a barter system now.
Speaker 4
You wrote and song of Tupac's Thugs Mansion. Yeah.
Will you hear that, so I mean, how did you, how do you, I mean, I wouldn't have, I ain't gonna lie, and I ain't, I ain't picturing you in Pop.
Speaker 4
You know, man, I'm a thug. I'm a thug.
I'm a thug out here in these streets.
Speaker 4 Man, Tupac was one of my favorites. Yeah.
Speaker 4 He had a different delivery, man. And when I got the call to be a part of that,
Speaker 4 I jumped on it right away
Speaker 4 and just started writing. Ain't no place I'd rather be.
Speaker 4 Only place that's right for me.
Speaker 4 Iced out, chromed out paradise in the sky. I was like, what would he want me to say? And how
Speaker 4 would the heaven that he's speaking about, what would it look like? And so I just had to go from Pac's, you know, perspective, point of view, or his idea. Idea.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4 that's what you came. So you have, like, when you say when you're writing,
Speaker 4 I kind of have an idea of who this person is and kind of the direction that they like to go.
Speaker 4 So, and you says a lot of time, it might, you have to be careful because it'll suppress your natural ability to write because you get so caught up in trying to write something specifically for them.
Speaker 4 A lot of times you do that and you miss the mark. Sometimes you think, oh, I'm going to go in and write a song like what he's already used to, something in that vein, but no, they called you in.
Speaker 4
They called you for a reason. For a reason, for you to give them something a little different.
Yeah. To get them out of their, you know, out of their box.
Speaker 4 Do you like for them to say, look, You write. Don't worry.
Speaker 4 We're going to take what we take, but you just write. Don't worry about that you're writing this for me,
Speaker 4
about whatever. You just, I want you to be, I brought you in here because you're Anthony Hamilton.
And you have an ear, you have an eye. I just want you to do that.
Yeah, I like when
Speaker 4
you get that freedom. But after you do it a certain amount of times and you have some success under your belt, you're kind of going to go in there and do it how you do it.
Anyway.
Speaker 4
Now I'm going to do the Anthony Hamilton every time. Right.
So, and if they don't need that much, then I'll dial it back. But from the gate, I'm going to give them what I think.
Speaker 4 And the Tupac song, did you feel pressure?
Speaker 4
I think I was so excited that it outshined the pressure. You know what I mean? Like, this is Tupac.
I got to get this. You better not feel this one.
Speaker 4 Don't mess this up, man.
Speaker 4
Man, I wouldn't, you know, in the research, you're like, man, that's Anthony Hamilton. Yeah.
Yeah, man.
Speaker 4
Do you get surprised? Do people get surprised when they know that certain songs that you like, man, I didn't know you wrote that. Yeah, yeah, a lot of times.
Certain songs. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Especially the Donnell Jones. People didn't know that I had a hand in that.
Speaker 4
You got to win your Grammy with Al Green. And you know, Al Green.
Hey,
Speaker 4 if you grew up in the South. Come on, man.
Speaker 4 That was one of, that's one of the most exciting times in my career. Really? Absolutely.
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Speaker 4 To work with Al Green? Yeah.
Speaker 4 So I was in the studio with Al.
Speaker 4 So they invited, they said, if he says a certain word, word, a cold word, that means he's ready to go.
Speaker 4
It means he ain't feeling you. So I didn't ask for no pictures.
I didn't do none of that. So we're in the studio.
He come in. Hey, how you doing that? He said, Al.
Speaker 4 And so it's time to sing. And,
Speaker 4 you know, I was on the mic here, and I'm on a mic over here. And I'm like,
Speaker 4 I'm about to lose it. Not only am I excited for myself, but my mom and my aunts, now
Speaker 4 They think I'm somebody. Right.
Speaker 4 Earlier in my career, it's like, cut out all that racket. Cut out all that noise.
Speaker 4
The moment I said, you know, I'm singing with Al Green. I'm doing a song with Al Green.
Oh, baby, I knew he was going to make it.
Speaker 4
I was already, y'all had already been singing. But this was big for my whole family.
Right. Yeah.
Because we did, because in the South, I mean, Al is Al is it. Everybody, my mom, my aunts,
Speaker 4
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Absolutely. Spending my day.
Speaker 4 You know what I mean? So that I mean,
Speaker 4 I still get chills. I want my picture now, though, Al Al Green,
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Speaker 4 wherever you are out there, I want my picture now.
Speaker 4 I'm looking at some of the collabs that you've been with, the Roots, Babyface, Nas, Rick Ross, Ambrosia, Marsha Ambrosia, Bootsy, E40, Jennifer Husson, Jill Scott, Jeezy, Chris Brown, Meek Mill, Eve, Jadicus.
Speaker 4
Wow. Bro, that's a very eclectic group.
There are some similarities, but there are some vast differences. Wow.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 Is that when you got into this business, is that kind of direction that you wanted to not just be in one box, you wanted to be in a lot of different boxes?
Speaker 4 I just wanted to work with all the people who I thought were great.
Speaker 4 I wanted to work with,
Speaker 4 you know,
Speaker 4
people who were moving the needle. Yeah.
You know, and so being able to do that, man, it's been an honor and a blessing. Right.
So,
Speaker 4 yeah.
Speaker 4 Because you don't know. Once you get into business, you think you have an idea
Speaker 4 of
Speaker 4 what's going on, but you really don't know
Speaker 4 how things are going to go.
Speaker 4 Do you ever get impressed? Because you're like,
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Speaker 4 This is going to do really well.
Speaker 4 They like when we have a conversation and you tell them the backdrop of the story of the song and then you actually sing the song.
Speaker 4 Like when you hear somebody say like man, you know cuz sometimes you just take for granted until you hear them and they're singing and they're not on an album but they're actually singing and you can hear it like when you hear fantasia
Speaker 4 people be playing
Speaker 4 fan
Speaker 4 she's nothing she comes but she ain't nothing to play with don't don't don't come behind if you don't know what you're doing jasmine some i'm talking about you talking about people that got i'm talking about can really they can sing you know ain't nothing to sing they can sing Man, I've been watching Jasmine do that since she was 11, 12 years old in Philly.
Speaker 4 I would go down to Philly to hang out. And me and Music Soul Child, all of us would be at a place called the Five Spot that the Roots had a jam session.
Speaker 4 So she had to come in with her parents because she was underage. Right.
Speaker 4
Killing it exactly how she's doing it now. I was like, whoever she is, I never forgot her.
I was like, I've been looking for her. So when she finally came out, I was like, that's her.
I knew it.
Speaker 4
I knew it. Yeah.
Oh, she's something.
Speaker 4 So, so let me let me ask you this: like, when you like Jasmine Sullivan, Jill Scott, Fantasia, you tour a little bit right now with Fantasia.
Speaker 4 When you go in, so what's your mindset when you go in and you get ready to do a song with, say, a Jill Scott, or you're getting ready to do a song with a Jasmine Sullivan?
Speaker 4 What is Anthony Hamilton's mindset? I want him to like it. I want him to love it so much.
Speaker 4 You know, I just want to, I don't know, I want to find the perfect song. I want them to be able to express themselves and like the idea or the direction that I'm going.
Speaker 4 I want to love the idea that they have for me because I want to be able to do my best.
Speaker 4 So I want to be able to
Speaker 4 them what they expect of me,
Speaker 4
but it super exceeded. Yeah.
So you want to be in a situation like,
Speaker 4 who is this?
Speaker 4 Stephanie Mills
Speaker 4
and Teddy P. Come on, man.
Rick James and what's that girl name? What's up? Tina Marie. Tina Marie.
Yeah. The fire desire.
You want that kind of passion
Speaker 4
when Stephanie Mills is singing and she's looking up at Teddy P. I love that.
That's one of my favorite clips.
Speaker 4
That's kind of the collab. That's kind of the connection that you want to have.
Yeah, you want the synergy, man. You want the energy
Speaker 4 to make sense. You want people to feel the energy that you're creating from because that's ultimately what's going to sell the record.
Speaker 4 Until you get it out live, you got to have that energy in there.
Speaker 4 You want to be able to have that kinship. Give me your dream collab.
Speaker 4 Man.
Speaker 4 Wow.
Speaker 4
Definitely, I was, me and Dee had talked about getting this to D'Angelo was definitely one. But Lauren Hill, I think.
Okay. To get in with Lauren Hill, oh, man.
She might be late, though.
Speaker 4 I mean, I'll wait on her.
Speaker 4
I mean, I'm going to wait on her. Just go ahead.
She is Lauren Hill. Go ahead and start.
I'll take a nap. I'll take it.
I'll wait up for Monday. Yeah.
Speaker 4
But no, you're going to see on Thursday or Friday. Absolutely.
I'm going to be right in there waiting on her. Same outfit because I picked it out for her.
Speaker 4 You have released unreleased songs with John Legend, Ty Dollar, and Jaquis.
Speaker 4
Yes. Yeah.
You ready for them to come out of it, Brussels? What's up? I think the John Legend definitely is a big record, man. Man,
Speaker 4
you and Legend on one? Yeah, man. It's a song.
Actually, he wrote it, and it was a song that he sent me a few songs, and that one stood out to me.
Speaker 4 And I can't wait for the world to hear that one. The song with Jaquees is
Speaker 4
pretty dope, too. Yeah.
Yeah. And Ty, Ty is just of it.
Speaker 4 He's a maniac with the pen. Do people ever call you and say, no, I'm good.
Speaker 4 But you're more pleasant than that.
Speaker 4
You know what, right? I'm busy. I got a look.
You know what? Let me check my refrigerator light i i get back i'll get back with you you know what i i have and and and one that i really regret not
Speaker 4 really making time for it wasn't the fact that i didn't like what they were doing but i was just touring so hard
Speaker 4 pit bull really got tomato pick i'm i ain't on tour right now pit bull
Speaker 4 give me one more chance
Speaker 4 Give me, give me, give me one more chance.
Speaker 4 So, yeah,
Speaker 4
I just love what he's done, man. And at that moment, it was early in his career, and I was moving around a lot.
But that's one of the ones I just keep kicking myself about.
Speaker 4
You did a, I think, a video, did a song with The Baby, Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Homeboys.
Speaker 4
So, what's it like? I mean, because, you know, there's something about a homeboy. There's something about someone from North Carolina.
Absolutely. He's from North Carolina.
You're from,
Speaker 4 you know, right here in North Carolina. So
Speaker 4 what was that endeavor like? You know what, man? You know, working with the baby, he was on fire.
Speaker 4 He came out, and I heard about his name, but when he came out and he hit,
Speaker 4
he was on fire. So I was like, okay, I know he's going to have a lot of energy.
Yes. He's got that baby energy.
Speaker 4 But I knew he was going to speak a similar lingo. When I was in the studio, when it was after the Grammys,
Speaker 4 we went into the studio. I sang
Speaker 4 on a song with him. And we went in the studio after that and we wrote blank.
Speaker 4 And I started saying a word that only North Carolina people would say:
Speaker 4
she's going to make me blank. You're going to have me pulling out a pistol.
And certain words, like, well, you're going to make me blank.
Speaker 4 He knew what that is.
Speaker 4 You're going to make me go crazy. I'm going to act a donkey.
Speaker 4 Or if you, shell, shell as hell.
Speaker 4 So these lango, we start talking about just being in Charlotte and just a certain conversation that we have and certain lingo that we have. So we just,
Speaker 4
you know, bonded on that. Right.
Being North Carolina, and I think that opened the door for him to just trust me. You mentioned that you and Jodisie are related.
Speaker 4 When did you realize that you guys were related? After you guys had made it, or you knew you knew each other like growing up, did you, when you had family function, they came and you were there.
Speaker 4 You're like, oh, we related? I think, you know, a few times my family tried to tell me, like, you know, they, you know, you skinned them through the Truesdales.
Speaker 4
I was like, oh, okay, cool. But I I didn't, you know, I ain't paid no attention.
Right. But then, as time goes on, I started looking at them.
I said, well, they kind of look like my people. Yeah.
Speaker 4 And it wasn't until Casey said, well, you know, we cousins.
Speaker 4
Mm-hmm. Truesdale.
And I was like, well, maybe, maybe it's true. Maybe there's some truth to it.
Yeah. And so my, you know, I started asking around, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4 yeah. That's your family.
Speaker 4 You ended up opening for them.
Speaker 4 Yep. The first tour I ever been on was
Speaker 4 the tour with Joe to see the freaking you tour. Right.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4 you talking about
Speaker 4 I thought I wanted to be in the music business. I thought I would want to be around the girls, but
Speaker 4 the amount of women that will come to those shows and the after parties and the
Speaker 4
you're like, yeah, I picked the right profession. Yeah, but I was a little nervous.
I was like, boy, this is a little more than what I. Yeah, what you envisioned.
Oh, it was a lot. It was a lot.
Speaker 4
I mean, they were able to just get there. Back then, I think people had access to be in your space a lot more than they do now.
And I was like, I'm not ready.
Speaker 4 I wasn't, I wasn't ready. Yeah, I had to.
Speaker 4 So, what was, I mean,
Speaker 4 I mean, like, I got, I mean, we got family, you know, we tour and I got to open up. I mean, you said that's your first tour.
Speaker 4 You don't want to mess up, even though, you know, we might be related, we're related, but
Speaker 4
I still want to do right by them. Absolutely, absolutely.
And even still now, we've shared
Speaker 4 some of the same stages because KC was like, Anthony, my cousin, but I'm going to have to.
Speaker 4 So we all joke about him.
Speaker 4 One of the guys in the tones is our cousin as well, the guy in the middle, Joe Dido.
Speaker 4 So it's always a friendly competition, a family competition,
Speaker 4 you know, because he's a bad boy. And I learned a lot from him.
Speaker 4 But yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 You want to make them proud and you want to represent them.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4 it's fun, too.
Speaker 4
But you know what? The thing is, is that you're trying to make a name for yourself. You want to represent them, but you know, you don't always want to be the opening act.
You want to be the closing.
Speaker 4
You want to, you know, pull the curtain, shut the curtains. Absolutely.
I can shut the curtain now. I can shut the curtains now.
You know,
Speaker 4
I made a name for myself when it comes to hitting the stage. I perform really hard.
I give a lot. Yeah.
And it's kind of hard to come behind me if you don't have the same passion.
Speaker 4 You can't measure up. It's going to be a problem.
Speaker 4 Who would you like to go on tour with?
Speaker 4
Wow. I'm going to get you.
It's a tour.
Speaker 4
It's three of y'all. Oh.
It's three.
Speaker 4
Shoot. I think that one of those tours I've done.
Really? Maxwell and Joe. Oh, but Maxwell, Anthony, I ain't gonna lie.
I think I done saw Maxwell like
Speaker 4
eight times in concert. Yeah, and incredible every time.
He is unbelievable. Absolutely.
I'm trying to figure out how he still moves like that. I've been trying to do that.
He got bionic knees.
Speaker 4 I'm about to say them knees.
Speaker 4
He didn't get them knees from Timu. Nah.
They're not the Timu knees. You know, incredible, man.
And Joe is absolutely flawless. Vocals is always on point.
Speaker 4 You know, another great tour.
Speaker 4 Fantasia and I, we do really well. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Wow. Fantasia, you next.
Speaker 4 Yeah, man.
Speaker 4 Oh, man. Another tour.
Speaker 4 It's so many out there, man. I like to do her,
Speaker 4 me, her,
Speaker 4 and
Speaker 4
it's a young guy coming up. His name is EJ.
Okay. The chosen voice.
He's a young, I mean, he sounds like Johnny, not Johnny Guitar Watson, but
Speaker 4
Johnny Taylor. Okay.
Okay. This young guy, man, look him up, man.
He's incredible. Oh.
Speaker 4
You know who I would like to see you do a song with? Who? Michelle Indegue Ocello. Love her.
And I was trying to work with her too. And she was ready.
And I don't know what happened.
Speaker 4
I think my manager got me busy. And, you know, but I still, I love you too, Michelle.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
I had to learn how to say that. Indiggi Ocello.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, you fancy.
You got all that fancy education. But
Speaker 4 I've seen her probably
Speaker 4
eight, ten times. And from Colorado to LA to Atlanta, the Variety Playhouse, I saw a little small intimate thing.
Yeah. Like when I like something, I'm going.
Yeah. I'm going.
Yeah, that's good. And
Speaker 4 I love that. So, you know,
Speaker 4
I done got old now. I can't be in all that nib noise.
I'm like, yeah, they get it bouncing around.
Speaker 4
Nah, that, that, that ain't me. I just want to sit down.
Yeah, and enjoy yourself. Have a good old time.
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Go to Chastain. You know, Atlanta, go to Chastain Park.
Oh, man. That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4
That's funny. Oh, man.
You know, another spot that's good, too.
Speaker 4
It's in L.A. What's the one that's outside with Sit? The Bowl.
The Doug, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Hollywood Bowl.
Hollywood Bowl. That's a nice spot.
Yeah, man. I saw Max Weather there.
Speaker 4
I saw John Legend there. Oh, yeah.
I've seen a little bit of John there.
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Speaker 4
I think I was there for a minute. It was some kind of function going on.
But I saw Chancellor Rapper there.
Speaker 4
Incredible. Oh, he's incredible, too.
Man, I thought you should. I'm going to check that out.
Speaker 4 You mentioned you were like in transition from like 93 to 03, and then you signed with Soso Death. You signed with Jermaine Dupree,
Speaker 4 who had a
Speaker 4 part of who's up on the era stuff, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 So what was that? So
Speaker 4 where did Jermaine, how did Jermaine stumble upon you?
Speaker 4 His father, his father heard me singing at a Grammy Brunch. Really?
Speaker 4 Yeah, and this is when, you know, I didn't have a deal or anything, and I was just like, had been working with Mark Batson, who allowed me to come, who produced
Speaker 4
Charlene and Can't Let Go. He produced Coming from Where I'm From.
But he would let me come down and just sing it right for free because he was just a fan of my boy. Right.
Speaker 4 And that's how these songs came about. So the Grammy Brunch,
Speaker 4 they invited me to sing.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4
before I went on stage, I'm sitting in the back and Kamora Lee Simmons was staring at me. And I was like, okay, this feels weird.
And I didn't even know who Michael Malden was.
Speaker 4
Isaac Hayes introduced me on stage. I sang coming from where I'm from, like it was the last song I ever.
had a chance to sing because at this moment I was ready to give up again.
Speaker 4 The moment I got off stage, Michael Malden came and said, hey, I have somebody I know, I think you should talk to.
Speaker 4
My son. I said, okay, my son is Jermaine Dupree.
I said, oh, wow.
Speaker 4 And he said, we just had a conversation about this type of singing and this type of music. Do you mind having, you know, if I hooked y'all up or whatever? I said, absolutely not.
Speaker 4 But mind you, I had met Jermaine Dupree back in the day when he was running around and taking
Speaker 4 crisscross around.
Speaker 4
And I wanted his attention because I wanted him to know, like, I want to sing. Right.
But he was busy. He wasn't rude, but he was just busy.
I was like, I never signed with him. I told him this.
Speaker 4
Right. I said, I never signed with him.
I was just in my feeling.
Speaker 4 God said, if you want to make God laugh, make plans.
Speaker 4
And, you know, one of the best collaborators. And we're still great friends right now.
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Sampling.
Speaker 4
You okay with letting the young artist jump on something of yours? Absolutely. Absolutely.
I think it's, you know. You ever tell them no? You ever told anybody no?
Speaker 4
No, I don't think I had to. I think they come to me with the right stuff.
If you come to me talking about killing, shooting, I kill you.
Speaker 4
I may not want my music on that. Right.
You know what I mean? But, or anything that's being disrespectful to any walk of life. But for the most part, I think they do me well.
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Who are some of the young RB artists
Speaker 4 that you like? That, you know what?
Speaker 4 I can rock with this. I love her.
Speaker 4 I I like Gibbion.
Speaker 4 I like Friday.
Speaker 4
What's his name? Lucky Day. Okay.
I think he's a bad boy. He's a great writer.
Speaker 4 Wow.
Speaker 4 Who else I like?
Speaker 4 There's a few really good ones.
Speaker 4
October London came out right. He came out with the Marvin Gaye.
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 That's Snoop's guy, isn't it? Yeah, Snoop's guy. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Who else I really like him right now? Leon. I like Leon Thomas.
I like what he's doing. There's a few out there that's really, really good.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4
BJ Chicago Kid. That's my boy.
Oh, man. He's dope.
Speaker 4 He's a dope brother. When you're driving around,
Speaker 4 what do you listen to?
Speaker 4
When Anthony is in his car and he's driving around. Yeah.
What are you listening to? Man, you know what? I make these playlists with different artists on it.
Speaker 4 I might listen to Gunner. Okay.
Speaker 4 Then I'll go to Tupac and then I
Speaker 4 may go to Al Green. So it just depends on what mood I'm in.
Speaker 4 I do like to have an open playlist.
Speaker 4 Because
Speaker 4 I want to be able to have these different emotions and it be all right. Right.
Speaker 4 You know, and there ain't no better place than in your car.
Speaker 4 You be singing? I'll be singing the heck out of it.
Speaker 4 Hell, I might even sing Charlene if it come on at the right time. Really?
Speaker 4 Yeah, I might get to you.
Speaker 4 At the real life.
Speaker 4 Have you ever been on a taxi or Uber and your song come on?
Speaker 4 Absolutely.
Speaker 4 And then look in the mirror like. New York.
Speaker 4 That's your part right there. Yeah.
Speaker 4
I just start singing. And, you know, they don't know.
Sometimes I tell them, sometimes I don't. Right.
Yeah. But if you start singing, it's like, man, you sound good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 You sound good. I say, yes.
Speaker 4
That's absolutely actually my song. Right.
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Streaming. What are your thoughts on streaming? Because I get different, you know, different people say different things.
Some people say, you know, you make good money.
Speaker 4 Some people say, oh, you're trying to kill it?
Speaker 4
I mean, they're trying to kill us. I mean, it's just robbing.
You're just robbing you, man.
Speaker 4 You have to spend so many times to get
Speaker 4
anything worth taking home, man. Right.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 You know, they really did us in with that one. And
Speaker 4 I'm shocked and disappointed that we didn't stand up and
Speaker 4 speak out like the actors and actresses did.
Speaker 4 I think
Speaker 4
it got too far gone. Yeah.
Yeah. It's probably not going to.
Speaker 4 Because I don't know if
Speaker 4 you're going to ever be able to sell the hard copies like you once did. I don't think.
Speaker 4
Excuse me. The tower records are gone.
Now all you have is a little specialty mom, mom, and pop shop. They still sell volumes.
Yeah, yeah. But what used to be, it used to be a thing.
Speaker 4 And, you know, we go and listen to it in the headphones.
Speaker 4 Come on, man. Yeah.
Speaker 4
I miss that. Yes.
Virgin Records and Tower. And, you know.
Yes. Those were the good days.
Speaker 4 Now it's just.
Speaker 4 And you get the eight track, you get to record, and everybody had to be quiet because you could hear it in the background.
Speaker 4 Be on the
Speaker 4
tape for the eight track. Absolutely.
Those were the times, man. The great times.
That's what made me want to be a part of the music business. Now it's just, you know,
Speaker 4 you make your living and
Speaker 4 you
Speaker 4 make your fan base happy and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 4 But in terms of the music, how it feels, it's pretty sterile, pretty disconnected, if you ask me.
Speaker 4 You were a struggling artist. You go to New York and you got less than 70 bucks in your pocket.
Speaker 4 What made you so convinced that you were going to make it? Because
Speaker 4
not making it wasn't an option. It was an option.
No.
Speaker 4
I had to, because I had been living it and breathing it, and it was in my blood too deep. Like, that's who I am.
It's like me dying. Did you ever want to quit?
Speaker 4
A few times, but not enough to really do it. Right.
You know?
Speaker 4 Who could you call it when you were having those moments where things weren't going your way and there were times that you felt like giving up?
Speaker 4 Who was someone that you could call and they say, Anthony, it's just right around the corner? My best friend Chop, who used to drive me from Charlotte to New York numerous times. Drive you?
Speaker 4
Yeah, we met in barber school. So I'm a barber, you know, went to school to cut hair and do men and women's hair.
Yeah, he used to drive me.
Speaker 4
He had a white BMW back then, and we get in there and we drive all the way up to New York, singing, playing jokes. He's your best friend.
Yeah. Anybody can drive you that way.
Speaker 4 Yeah, and Eddie Kane, my friend, Ramon Montgomery, Eddie Kane. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Those two, they saw the gift. Hold on.
Speaker 4
This might have been internet because, you know, you can't believe everything on the internet and you can't believe believe everything you read. And my Aunt Joanne.
Aunt Joanne, too.
Speaker 4
Nick Cannon bought you a car, your first car? Yeah, man. Yeah, Nick Cannon did.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 How did you beat Nick?
Speaker 4 On a video set.
Speaker 4 He did a song called Can I Live?
Speaker 4 Paying respect to his mom for not aborting him.
Speaker 4 And so it's a song called Can I Live.
Speaker 4 So they wanted me to be,
Speaker 4 you know, I did the song, but they wanted me in the video.
Speaker 4 The night of the video, I was supposed to have flown out on the red eye.
Speaker 4
And so, you know, it's going to be really quick. We're going to get you in and get you out.
I was there for hours and, you know, didn't complain.
Speaker 4
Ended up getting wet. There was a scene.
I wasn't really supposed to be in the water. I was wet.
Never complained.
Speaker 4
And he kept saying, he's like, man, he's just being so grateful and gracious. I want to do something special for him.
And so I have been eyeing this old station wagon, Gold.
Speaker 4 And it's like, he loves that car.
Speaker 4 And don't you know Nick wrote that man a check that night for that car?
Speaker 4
That was my first car ever owning. Nick bought my car, my first car, before I could buy it.
A station wagon, huh? Yeah, 1971.
Speaker 4
Same year I was born. Damn.
It's a, it's a. Had the wood paneling on it and everything.
No, not this one. But I do like the wood.
I did want the wood paneling. I wanted the truck, the wagoneer.
Speaker 4
But it's a station wagon 71 gold, and it's beautiful. I had it repainted.
You still got it? Oh, absolutely. It's beautiful.
You still got it? Really? Oh, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 You ain't going to never let it go, huh? I ain't going to let that one go. Nah.
Speaker 4
So you'd have had a lot of cars since then, but you're going to keep that one. Yeah, I had too many.
I haven't had. My first car that I bought was a Dodge Durango.
Speaker 4
And then after that, I got an Infinit or used one. Then I finally got the big boy now.
Yeah. The 2025.
But
Speaker 4
yeah, not a lot of cars. You know, my ex-wife had a few.
Right. But, nah.
Yeah, I mean, it's kind kind of hard for you to have anything nice. You got six kids.
I mean, you know.
Speaker 4 You got a little bus. You got a
Speaker 4 splinter man. See what happens when you come to club, Shay Shay.
Speaker 4
Yeah, you got to go. With six boys? Man, look.
Yeah, that's why I sing.
Speaker 4 Are you available? Hell yeah, I'm available.
Speaker 4 And tomorrow, too. Oh, man.
Speaker 4
Well, obviously, you've been in the music game for two decades. Made good money.
What is the one thing that you learned about money?
Speaker 4 Wow
Speaker 4 The more you make the more somebody need it
Speaker 4 Well, you know money is one of those things like it's
Speaker 4 It's great to have but if you don't know how to maneuver with it Then it's almost not it's almost like not having it right you don't know how to invest it the right way
Speaker 4 Then it's just it's sitting there and it's not really doing a lot
Speaker 4 not working for you like it's supposed to
Speaker 4 and
Speaker 4 You know, I'm looking at these people like, man,
Speaker 4 how is it that they have so much wealth, the right deals, the right investments?
Speaker 4 Very important. Yeah.
Speaker 4 I mean, you know.
Speaker 4 What do you think your best purchase, what's the best purchase that you had? Oh, my home.
Speaker 4
My home. Yeah, my first house.
Under a million.
Speaker 4 You know, my financial advisor at the time was a black sister.
Speaker 4 Like, you don't need no house. house, under a million, and woo-to-woo and all that.
Speaker 4 I'm still in it.
Speaker 4
Still in. I'm about to sell it, though, boy.
I got some equity.
Speaker 4
Shelly, chilly, celebrate. I'm about to sell the hell out of it.
Excuse my French.
Speaker 4 Yeah, I think
Speaker 4 that
Speaker 4 was very,
Speaker 4
a very smart move. Yes.
And
Speaker 4 always got to have a place to call home. Man,
Speaker 4
that takes a lot of the stress away, man. Yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 4
One place. You don't need 15 places.
No, no, no, no. I tried that having a place in LA.
And
Speaker 4 it's just, it's just
Speaker 4
weight. It's just too much.
It's just too much. Just like,
Speaker 4 stop.
Speaker 4 Did you see
Speaker 4 single Kevin McCall like EBT?
Speaker 4
Wow, that was heartbreaking, man. Such a great writer, and he had a promising future.
Yes. You know, I just think sometimes my personal stuff gets in the way of,
Speaker 4 you know our growth and relationships are important.
Speaker 4 You know, you gotta, you gotta cherish those relationships, yes, yeah, and it's it's like you said, I mean, when you make so much, it is not how much, and I tell people, it's not how much you make, it's how much you keep.
Speaker 4 Absolutely, there've been a lot of people that's made a lot of money, but didn't keep any of it. So, what have you actually done? What have you actually accomplished? Man, yeah, I'm afraid of that.
Speaker 4 I don't want to be
Speaker 4 poor no more in no, in no way, no, no form, form.
Speaker 4 Poor spirited or, you know,
Speaker 4
just want to be better. You an American gangster.
You get to meet today. You get to meet Denzel? What? I met Denzel at the 75th anniversary of the Apollo.
Okay. And don't you know he remembered that?
Speaker 4 Really? He asked me on the set
Speaker 4 of
Speaker 4 American Gangster,
Speaker 4 I bet you don't know the first time we met.
Speaker 4
I bet you don't know it. I said, yes, I do.
He said, where was it? I said, the 75th anniversary of the Apollo. That's right.
That's right.
Speaker 4 Did that. It's good to have you here.
Speaker 4 Such a class act.
Speaker 4 How is it? I mean, we get an opportunity. We've never been on set with him.
Speaker 4 All we see is the finished product. But to be there and to watch him jump in character,
Speaker 4
I hear he's very serious about it. He takes his profession to the up team.
Absolutely. And, you know, people there excited and want to pictures.
He said, no, no, we're not here for no pictures.
Speaker 4
We're not here for pictures. We're here to make this amazing movie.
We're here to be great and all that.
Speaker 4
Classy, though, but you don't feel offended. Right.
And he goes and he nails it.
Speaker 4
What do you think it is that makes him special? Because we've seen him do Malcolm X, and he looks like Malcolm X. We've seen him do Hurricane.
We've seen him do American Gangster. We've seen him in
Speaker 4 Spike Lee's movie, Inside Manning. We've seen him
Speaker 4
devil in blue dress. And we've seen him in so many things.
Yeah, Book of Eli. Yeah, oh man.
What is it that makes him special? He keeps a little piece of Denzel in it. Nobody else can be
Speaker 4 that.
Speaker 4 I think that's his special sauce. That Denzel, the swag, you know, even when he's
Speaker 4 these, what's the gangster movies?
Speaker 4
Equalizer. Yeah.
Oh, I caught on to those.
Speaker 4
Oh, my God. I didn't know they were so good.
Yeah. Well, I remember the TV show that used to come out.
They used to come on. Wow.
I had no idea, but there's always a swag.
Speaker 4 There's always a personality that only he possessed.
Speaker 4
And he knows how to become the character when you forget he's Denzel. Man.
I was so mad at him in Training Day.
Speaker 4
Did he play that thing or what? I just didn't. I just didn't like him.
I was mad. I was like, man, God, he's such an evil man.
But he was so great. Jake, I'm going to get that money.
Speaker 4 How do you transform?
Speaker 4 yourself into this character that deep, man. And
Speaker 4 what he's able to do is
Speaker 4
he will make you believe that he's that. Yes.
I mean, when you watch him and Malcolm X, you couldn't tell me that wasn't Malcolm X.
Speaker 4 I mean, they did a great job with Malcolm with makeup, but the way he spoke
Speaker 4 bodied it.
Speaker 4
He's incredible. He's incredible.
You also on the set of Empire with Terrence Howard. Yeah, yeah.
Terrence is a buddy of mine. Terrence likes music too.
He plays the guitar. Yeah, because
Speaker 4 yeah, what is that?
Speaker 4 When he was singing, what's the name of that song when he was in Memphis? Oh,
Speaker 4 yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4 what's the name of
Speaker 4 that movie?
Speaker 4 Hustling Flow.
Speaker 4
Hustling Flow. Yeah, yeah.
I mean,
Speaker 4
he loves music. He's a music head, man.
And he's a character. Every now and again, every couple of years, he called me.
He found my number and called me. It's been a couple years.
Speaker 4 Terrence, where you at? Where you at, Ted?
Speaker 4 But he normally keeps in contact, man. You was on the Chappelle show? Yeah.
Speaker 4 You know what? I think, look,
Speaker 4 you can have a lot of guys, but the way he's able to tell a story,
Speaker 4
he's at the top of the food chain right now. He is the top.
He is absolutely, he's such a,
Speaker 4 man, he's such a technician when it comes to taking comedy and making it more than just comedy. Yes.
Speaker 4
Because he, I mean, you know, you take real life events, you take your events, and you make them funny. He's so cool.
And the way he can weave.
Speaker 4 Incredible.
Speaker 4 He's the GOAT.
Speaker 4
He absolutely is. Chris Rock is another one who's incredible.
Oh, yeah, I love Rock. I saw both of them at the Radio City Music Hall.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4
they were at the Hollywood Bowl a couple years ago, also. Oh, that's a really great.
If you can see those. Kevin Hart, I was
Speaker 4
able to go check out a show and hang out backstage with him. Right.
Incredible.
Speaker 4 Oprah.
Speaker 4 You on the show,
Speaker 4 They Call Me Dad?
Speaker 4
You on Oprah's show. Oh, I did.
Absolutely. I almost forgot that.
Yeah, me and my younger three. Yeah.
Yeah, that was big. That was.
So what's the age range?
Speaker 4 So you got the older three, that's what, how old are the oldest? My oldest has turned 37.
Speaker 4 What? Yeah, I'm 37, too.
Speaker 4 I don't know.
Speaker 4 So you got an early start.
Speaker 4 Early, early.
Speaker 4 Which clock are you counting?
Speaker 4 So, look,
Speaker 4
I was very young. I was probably 16.
Yeah, you was singing in, huh?
Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4
you was singing, okay. She was older than me.
I think I need to bring her up on charge.
Speaker 4 How far can you go back?
Speaker 4 Not that far.
Speaker 4 You better watch yourself.
Speaker 4
But no, it was my high school sweetheart. Right.
So, yeah, 37,
Speaker 4
34, and 28. Okay.
And then my ex-wife had my twins about to be 15. Okay.
in a couple days, and my baby boy is 13.
Speaker 4 All of them with you?
Speaker 4
Yeah, Well, four of them are in Charlotte. Charlotte.
Anthony Jr., he lives in Charlotte. Okay.
But in his own home. Right.
But my younger three are with me
Speaker 4 like 75, 80% of the time when I'm home.
Speaker 4
You drive, you carpool dad, you do all that, huh? Every morning. Yep.
Except for this morning. I had to come here and do the club.
Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 4
So when, like, you said that when you're on the road, your ex will take them. Yeah, yeah, they go there.
Right. And sometimes she takes my little dog.
Really? Yeah. What a nice lady.
Speaker 4 Having six boys,
Speaker 4 that's a huge responsibility. What do you because you said,
Speaker 4 and I find this, I see this a lot, is that
Speaker 4 when the father is not around,
Speaker 4 you try to make sure you're more around
Speaker 4 because you try to get away.
Speaker 4
You know what it was like not to have a dad. Yeah.
And you don't want your kids to feel like that. Absolutely.
I work really hard to make sure that they know I'm present.
Speaker 4 Like, I go to school meetings,
Speaker 4 you know, I try to help with homework, but my brain
Speaker 4 is different. I got tutors, yeah, yeah, so they're gonna fail.
Speaker 4 My bass player, his daughter, you know, been tutoring my boys for years. Um, so I make sure you got everything that you need, right?
Speaker 4 But, you know, I just want them to know, like, it matters. Like, I'm just not going to shove money in your hand and say, You think that's going to make it okay?
Speaker 4
No, that's not going to make it okay, right? Because they're going to resent me later on when money can't offer them. It can't fix it.
Yeah, it can't fix it.
Speaker 4
Some things money can fix, but there are going to be... Some things it can't.
There are going to be some things that money can't fix. Exactly.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 You were married, you mentioned you were married, what, 15 years?
Speaker 4 10, together, 13, 14.
Speaker 4 How hard is it to end a marriage when kids are involved? Because I'm not so sure kids really understand. They're just like, okay, mom to dad together, and then now mom and dad not together.
Speaker 4
You know, that's one of the things that make you want to fight a little harder because you don't want to break it up. Break that up.
You want them to have that perfect family.
Speaker 4 I think we all dream of having a perfect family, mom and dad, in the house. But you get to a point where it's like,
Speaker 4
do I want them just in the house around something that's not as healthy as it should be? Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it is.
It's hard when like staying together just for the kids.
Speaker 4 Because, yeah, while we want to do the right thing, but we're miserable. I mean, how long are you going to be miserable? I don't want them to think.
Speaker 4
I'm not going to say that you were miserable, but I'm just saying. No, I get it.
I get it.
Speaker 4 I don't want them to think it's okay to accept anything that's not,
Speaker 4
you know, up to what you deserve. Right.
Yeah. You know, the quality of life, man, it starts with the relationships you allow yourself to be in as well.
Would you get married again? Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 4 You have more kids?
Speaker 4 That wasn't so quick without.
Speaker 4 You know what?
Speaker 4 It depends.
Speaker 4
I know. I'm praying.
I'm like, Lord, what is going on?
Speaker 4
You trying to, hold on. That means you be going to high school graduation at 71.
They like, see, you know, you shouldn't do that. They say Lil Marcus.
Speaker 4 Your grandfather. But I have on Sneakers.
Speaker 4
That ain't my grandfather. That's my daddy, fool.
I wear some Sneakers. I'll be wearing some Sneakers.
You wear some Air George? I'll be wearing some sketches.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I know you're a Sneaker head, too. Yeah, you're going to wear them sketches, huh? I might have to.
I might have to go.
Speaker 4
I might have to go to some special shoes. You know, that's a hard one for me.
Yeah. You know, because it is like snowing.
Speaker 4
You still on the road. Still on the road and, you know, changing pampers and all that stuff.
The hard parts that I've made it through. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Do I want to do that again? So that's when you're dating or trying to be in a relationship at this age.
Speaker 4 You know,
Speaker 4 whoever you choose to date, you have to take all that in consideration. Well, I'm taking in consideration she of still of childbearing years.
Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 4 What's the dating scene like for Anthony Hamilton? Are you a difficult date?
Speaker 4
I'm pretty simple. I like good food and good conversation.
You know, we're going to have a good wine, make it a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I don't. Dating is different.
Is dating different
Speaker 4 after you've been married for the length of time that you've been married? Yeah, because you're off the market for a minute.
Speaker 4 So, is dating different now than when you first, let's just say, when you first started and you were dating, is it how much different is dating now than it was then? Well, you
Speaker 4 want to be able to go somewhere and be regular. Yeah, I think that's the harder part, being able to go somewhere and sit down and have a meal without
Speaker 4 interruptions and
Speaker 4 choosing people that you feel
Speaker 4
really good intentions. Yes.
You know, that's weaving through that.
Speaker 4
Hard. Yeah, and then I don't want to talk about my favorite color and all that.
I don't
Speaker 4 care about that.
Speaker 4 Ain't no color.
Speaker 4 I just, yeah, all that.
Speaker 4
Yeah. You get up to a certain age.
It's like, I don't know. So, what so what? So
Speaker 4 what you got to talk about something, eh?
Speaker 4
What do you talk about what you like to cook, what's your hobbies, what's the place you like to go? Yeah, I mean, you know, you do it, but just. Damn.
Just
Speaker 4
your favorite color is all about it. Just wear it.
I'm wearing it.
Speaker 4
Cut the conversation short. No, I'm just kidding.
You know, you get to know people. Right.
Listen to their stories and you share stories. And,
Speaker 4 you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4 How long do you date before you bring someone around the kids?
Speaker 4 You know, I think that takes, that's a, that's a
Speaker 4
very, very protective space for me. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't just let anybody in my house. I don't even have parties and stuff at my house.
Speaker 4 Because you know they're going to go back and tell mama.
Speaker 4
You know that. You know.
No, no, I mean, if you're ignorant, I mean, yeah, you know, she has a right to know who's around her. Absolutely.
Because I want to know. Yes.
Because I pull up.
Speaker 4 Like,
Speaker 4 what's going on?
Speaker 4 But yeah, you know,
Speaker 4 I think the spirit will start to speak.
Speaker 4 Some might take a little more time and some don't ever make it.
Speaker 4 And then others, you're just like, this person is pretty decent. Their energy is good.
Speaker 4 And you know what
Speaker 4
makes you take more time? When they're trying too hard to be a part of your kids. Yeah.
Be in a space.
Speaker 4 When am I going to meet the kids? 20, never. Never.
Speaker 4 You get 20, never.
Speaker 4 Yeah,
Speaker 4 that bothers me. Right.
Speaker 4 When you're trying too hard.
Speaker 4 The relationship with your parents, how different are you with your kids than when your parents were with
Speaker 4 There's some similarities because I'll bust you. I'm about to tear your tail up.
Speaker 4 But, you know,
Speaker 4
I want to give you a voice. You know, at a certain age, you should be able to express yourself, and I hear you.
Yeah. And
Speaker 4 just take that and start to guide you
Speaker 4 based on who you are
Speaker 4 as opposed to making you be who I think you should be.
Speaker 4
So I think back then they didn't know no better. No.
Now we have access. It wasn't no reason.
It wasn't no reason. I remember what you should say, boy, you don't reason with a child.
Yep.
Speaker 4 yeah they tell you what you was gonna eat they tell you what you were thinking yeah they tell you what you were doing it wasn't no oh well what would you like to do today yeah yeah yeah you're gonna do what i tell you to do yeah i gotta eat what i put on the table yeah yeah i got a little bit of that in me so i'm trying to keep a good balance right
Speaker 4 be friendly without you know
Speaker 4 blurring the lines of the respect
Speaker 4 because i think to now to
Speaker 4
Now in today's time, we got too many parents want to be friends. That's where you go, right? I'm I'm not your friend.
Your friend down the street. Yeah.
Our dynamic won't ever change no matter what.
Speaker 4
You're always going to be dad. You're always going to be the child.
Absolutely. I told them I was born first for a reason.
Yeah. You know, and,
Speaker 4 you know,
Speaker 4 we can have a good time. We can hang out.
Speaker 4 Have fun.
Speaker 4
Watch movies and all that. But when I tell you to do something, I need for you to do it.
Yeah. And do it with excellence.
But you know what?
Speaker 4 We couldn't ask our grandparents why. When they said do something we couldn't say why oh get smacked in the mouth i don't got smacked in the mouth so many times or suck you what oh
Speaker 4 yeah yeah
Speaker 4 i didn't i didn't know that was cussing uh oh
Speaker 4 i didn't know that was cussing so all that's cussing those are curse words I didn't know that until that backhand, that backhand hit me in the mouth.
Speaker 4
Yeah, my mom, my little mama didn't play. My grandma, she was with the switches.
My mom was with that backhand. She had a mean, quick backhand.
Gig up close on you? Yeah, man.
Speaker 4 So I learned to run really fast.
Speaker 4
Because the thing is, Anthony, the way you and I was brought up, you can't raise kids like that. You're going to jail.
Absolutely.
Speaker 4
Going to jail. Going to jail.
But I'd be so upset at times, I might call the police so they can watch.
Speaker 4
But, you know, their kids now, they have a lot of rights. Yeah.
Too many, I think. Yeah.
I think they have too many rights, and they know it. Yes.
Speaker 4 And they'll manipulate you to manipulate the system and
Speaker 4
so on. These kids now, they look crazy.
Yeah. I love y'all, but y'all look crazy.
You look crazy.
Speaker 4 You mentioned earlier that at the decision, I think it was 14, you had to make a decision that you were going to go, you got adopted by a family friend.
Speaker 4
So when I went to school, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah.
So when you told, did you, how did you break that news to your mom?
Speaker 4 It was actually in the court. Damn!
Speaker 4 You didn't tell her beforehand? I just was over there already.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 It's like, you know, I'm just going to go over here. And she said no.
Speaker 4 At that moment, I think she was just trying to figure out
Speaker 4 what was... pushing me to that.
Speaker 4 And so she really, you know,
Speaker 4 really didn't have a say. I just kind of
Speaker 4 left. Did you and her have a conversation before it got to the point that you wanted to leave or you felt that you needed to leave? Were there ever any conversations between you two?
Speaker 4 That was just anger in me.
Speaker 4 You so angry you couldn't talk. Yeah, I just felt like you being a parent, you should know better.
Speaker 4 You should be able to, you know, do a little different.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4 so I was just mad because
Speaker 4
I couldn't help everybody. Right.
You know,
Speaker 4
I just saw a lot of people needing their lives to be different. And so I couldn't change that.
So I just followed all that up.
Speaker 4
But you had some trauma. You dealt with some trauma earlier.
At the age of seven, you saw your uncle shoot your cousin's husband. Yeah, that was pretty crazy.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 And a nice man, too. Had you ever experienced death before? Did you know what death was?
Speaker 4
I knew by going to funeral, but I didn't really know. Right.
That was the first time seeing something like that. That was.
Speaker 4 What caused him to get so upset? I have no idea.
Speaker 4 I have no idea.
Speaker 4 Uncle Jay was
Speaker 4
used to hunt and do all that stuff. So he was a wild man anyway.
I just think, you know,
Speaker 4 they had words and he didn't like it. And I think he had been on the bottle.
Speaker 4
So I think that probably had a lot to do with it. But I don't even think he made a lot of time.
Really? I don't think so. No, back then, then.
They ain't send people to,
Speaker 4 yeah.
Speaker 4
I don't know what happened. I don't know what it was, but back then, people ain't really getting no time.
Yeah, like they get you shoot somebody like that now, you go to jail. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 Until they until they start making coffee. Yeah, that
Speaker 4
I never, I can still see that. Really? You never get that vision.
No, you never. It wasn't like
Speaker 4 a bunch of blood or anything. I just remember them laying a pillow under his head after the I heard the shot.
Speaker 4
I saw it. Yeah.
It was outside or inside the house. Outside.
We were in my grandmother's house looking out the screen door.
Speaker 4 Heard him arguing, the next thing you know, a gun goes off.
Speaker 4 Yeah. I heard him yelling, you come outside.
Speaker 4 And he came outside. I don't know if I would have
Speaker 4 no back then, that's what, you know, you asking for it.
Speaker 4
Meet me such and such. Now I'm good.
I'm going to drive right on past. Yeah, yeah.
I'm not, you know, my ego is intact. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 I'm staying in the house. Right.
Speaker 4
You know, it's a smarter. You mentioned that you got your start, you went to barber school.
You good? You good with them clippers? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 I might not look like it because I choose,
Speaker 4
you know, just started making me groceries. Right.
So I'm going to keep it. I don't want them to mishandle the check and send it to the smooth faced guy.
Speaker 4 But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm still, you know, I got six sons. You know, you want to save some money, you better.
Speaker 4
Oh, you cut that. So you cut the hair? Oh, absolutely.
Four of them have locks now. Yeah, okay.
But they still want it faded and
Speaker 4 shaped up.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4 So you good with the razor, huh? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4 Did you
Speaker 4 razor shave? Did you do?
Speaker 4
Absolutely. You had to finish school 1,500 hours.
Yeah. So I did perms.
I did jerry curls back there and there.
Speaker 4 Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, the little smelly curl. I put the little paper on that thing.
Oh, yeah. That looked like something else, but it's jerry curl.
Yeah. That's jerry curl.
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Man,
Speaker 4 that strap. For that strap, man, you had to, yeah, you had to, you had to learn to do that.
Speaker 4
Tape or fade. Yep.
And
Speaker 4 I think the curl, the curl, you had to be able to do a curl.
Speaker 4 You still, you ain't going to let that go? You're going to clean this up? You know what?
Speaker 4
Sometime I do, and sometimes I, then it gets boring. Then I want to, you know, grungy, no shave.
You know what I mean? It's like...
Speaker 4 This is that Carolina dirt.
Speaker 4
You kind of known for the struggling beard now, huh? Yo, cats used to be mad at me when coming from where I'm from came out, and I end up, I cut it. Right.
They were so upset.
Speaker 4
It's like, man, that's the struggle. Right.
It represents a struggle for a lot of people.
Speaker 4 You look like you struggle like me.
Speaker 4 And
Speaker 4 really, people were really upset.
Speaker 4 It's like, fine, I'll grow it back.
Speaker 4 Or whatever, whatever it's doing, growing up, appearing, I'll appear back.
Speaker 4
I've given an opportunity to sing for your state team, the Hornets, the national anthem, Michael Jordan on the team. Yeah.
You ever made Michael?
Speaker 4 Oh, absolutely. Michael, he supported me from day one.
Speaker 4 A lot of the tours and stuff, sponsored a lot of things for me.
Speaker 4 And
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I've been getting some Jordans for. Yeah, yeah, I see.
You had a couple of pairs over there. Yeah, I know you're a sneakerhead.
I was like, I got it. If he try it.
Yeah, I see that. Yeah, I see that.
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I had a few pairs. One UBs.
Look at that. Look at what you.
Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. Oh, these old things?
Speaker 4 So I know you got a few pair, but DC, these are the ones, Jordan, I won one through 30. Yeah.
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But you only could pick two colors. Right.
So if it's black and white, all 30 pairs are going to be black and white. So me, Carmelo, Anthony, Brigitte, Barrett.
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And Kawhi Linerwe was on the team, so we had to out-design people. Right.
So we out-designed them. We did the
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number ones because they used to make his feet bleed. So we created a number one called the Bloodline.
But I won, we won our team one, so we all got 30 pairs. So this
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one-ofs. Yeah, yeah.
Nobody has the chocolate with the bubblegum bottoms. So I got 30 of these.
If y'all want to buy a big on the thing,
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and these are Camelos. I was like, I know you ain't got these either.
No. But I seen you got some, you got some joints.
Yeah, I got some heat. But
Speaker 4 I sold some,
Speaker 4 I think,
Speaker 4
what was that, November of 24? You did? Yeah. Yeah.
I sold like 300 pairs. God doggy.
You sold 300. So you still got? Probably like 275, maybe another three.
Good God. Yeah, you got me beat.
Yeah.
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You know what I mean? I got hats, though. Oh, you're a hat guy? Yeah, I like my hats.
God doggy. So you sold 300 pairs? Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah. I think 320, 313, 323.
Wow. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, sneakers now, they go. Yeah.
Speaker 4
And they're yours? Yeah. Ooh.
Yeah. You ain't even got to do this no more, boy.
You got to.
Speaker 4
I just, you know, the thing was, I was like, you know what? Somebody need to get some use out of these. I'm not wearing them.
I wear the same sneakers all the time. Me too.
Speaker 4 You know, now, after you get so much stuff, man, it's just like it's just hard. I realize now I'm starting buying the same old jean jacket, just a different button or something.
Speaker 4
So you realize, just cut it out. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 Man.
Speaker 4
Anthony, thank you for coming by. Thank you for performing.
Thank you for telling your story. Absolutely.
Speaker 4
I'm absolutely certain our audience is going to love this because they love when we sit down and have a conversation. You talk about this song, you perform the song.
Man, I can't thank you enough.
Speaker 4
I appreciate it, man. Thank you, absolutely.
Thank you. Appreciate you, man.
Appreciate you. Before I go, I have a gift.
This is For Life. It's a young designer out of Charlotte, North Carolina.
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And he knows about your career. And he wants you to have this for life.
Thank you. His name is S.
Dub. S.
Dub. Yeah, man.
Numeral Three. And he's a designer out of Charlotte and an amazing musician.
Speaker 4 Appreciate you, bro.
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For life. For life.
Andrew Hamilton.
Speaker 4 been grinding all my life.
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Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price. Want a slice, got the roll of dice.
That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.
Speaker 4 All my life, been grinding all my life.
Speaker 4 Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price.
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Speaker 4 All my life, I've been grinding all my life.
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