BEST OF NFL Week 10 Part 2: Brian Daboll FIRING is a SHOCKER + Aaron Rodgers is STINKING IT UP in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 5 Chargers beat the Steelers 25 to 10. Keely Allen passes Antonio Gates for the most receptions in Chargers history.

Speaker 5 Gates, a friend of mine, a pro football Hall of Famer, had 955, and now Keenan Allen has 956. But Ocho, watching this game last night,

Speaker 5 last night.

Speaker 14 Steelers aren't good. Pure dominance.
Pure dominance from the Chargers. The Steelers aren't good.
They're not good enough. Obviously, offensively, you can't turn the ball over.

Speaker 14 It was

Speaker 14 the first two quarters. I was like, okay, this is a good game.
It's 3-2. You know, defense.

Speaker 14 Both defense playing extremely well. Both offenses really couldn't get nothing going.
But at some point, the Chargers,

Speaker 14 you know how they are. They're going to keep chipping and chipping and chipping.
At some point, that offense is going to catch fire. They're going to start moving the ball.

Speaker 14 When they get in the red zone, they're going to score and put up some points. And the defense played so well.
They had Aaron Rodgers shook. They had him uncomfortable.

Speaker 14 He rushed some throws, some very, very bad habits, even though he is a very good throw of the ball, some very bad habits, causing balls to sail on him, which were really easy,

Speaker 14 easy completions, drop passes that ended up being interceptions. They really couldn't get anything going all night long.
On third down, the goddamn,

Speaker 14 the damn Steelers was,

Speaker 14 what?

Speaker 14 Hold on, I just had it right in front of me. They were 2 for 11.
2 for 11? Well, you ain't finna do nothing with that. You're not finna do nothing with that at all.

Speaker 14 So listen, the Chargers played really well, Even though the Steelers lost a game, they are still first in the division. I think they were.

Speaker 5 Not for much longer, though.

Speaker 14 Oh, the Bengal's coming. I'm glad you know that.
I'm glad. See, I'm glad you.
And you know football.

Speaker 14 That's one thing I can say about you. I don't care what they say, but you know football.
You know the Bengals coming to take that division over. So, but listen.

Speaker 5 No, there's no chance of that. Ocho, you mentioned that

Speaker 5 they're not good defensive.

Speaker 5 If they can't get to your quarterback, they're very average on the back end. Let's call it what it is.

Speaker 5 Chad, I know y'all like the Steelers

Speaker 5 and most of the people my age and a lot of, they have a lot of fans. They travel really well, but the Steelers aren't good.

Speaker 5 If those two guys outside can't get to your quarterback, if they can't attack your quarterback,

Speaker 5 give the quarterback any amount of time. They're either going to be a completion or it's going to be a holding.
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 And their offensive line, the Steelers' offensive line isn't good. Aaron Rodgers is not as mobile as he once was.
So he can't keep continuously getting himself out of harm's way.

Speaker 5 He had some bad throws. They sailed on him.
He had DK early in the game, sailed that one. The other one, he hit the guy right between the numbers.
Yeah, Austin

Speaker 5 had one slip through his hand to get the pick. I don't know why the punt return is trying to, you saying get away, and then you tried to feel the ball.
You never feel the ball below your waist.

Speaker 5 If you got to go down here to catch it, OTO, you know you don't feel no punt like that. You've been feeling punts far too long to know

Speaker 5 you don't take a ball below your waist and here you are trying to do something that you coach not to do trying to be a hero and guess what you give them another cheap easy three points but the steelers just watching the steelers and you watch like i said you watch them and yeah if they they're five and four they're winning but they're not good they don't have they don't have a team that can compete for a championship now mike thomas gonna go and you know tell them and give all these great clips and these great sound bites but he know deep down they don't have a team that can compete for a championship the funny thing about it is they have the players on paper

Speaker 14 When they got some of the offseason acquisitions that they did get, I was like, okay, the Steelers are going to be nice. The Steelers are going to be real nice.

Speaker 14 Obviously, getting Jalen Ramsey, you know, Darius Slay, big play Slayer there. TJ Watt, TJ Watt signed.
So they got Cam. Hey, we're done.
I'm like, okay, you know what?

Speaker 14 On all three levels, defensively, they're going to be all right.

Speaker 14 If there is a weakness, is there is a weak link, it'd probably be the second level, but they would make up for that on the back end and up front. But listen, they, they,

Speaker 5 let's be real those are names

Speaker 5 those guys ain't played good in a while ocho let's be we we're gonna keep it real tonight night cap but they're names steelers are good with names they got big names but those guys haven't played well in a while that's why they're on other teams

Speaker 14 hey uh

Speaker 14 man that's that's that's difficult i i know i know i know what you mean

Speaker 14 Ramsey wanted one it out in Miami. He wanted out in Miami.
I I thought the Steelers would have been a great situation for him.

Speaker 14 I think he's still one of the better corners, even though he's moved to safety. You got the experience with Ramsey.
Then you have Big Pay Slay. Yeah, listen, Slay looked good last year

Speaker 14 when he was with Philly. He played extremely well, played extremely well in the playoffs as well.
So, I mean, when you say they haven't played.

Speaker 5 Yeah, when you had that pass rush. But what happens when them guys can't get home? And you got to hold just a tad longer.

Speaker 5 Like I said, if you look at the names on paper, the names you, oh, he went Pro Bo. Oh, he went to the Pro Bo.
Oh, he went to the Pro Bowl. He's an all-pro.
He did this.

Speaker 5 But all the guys, they haven't played well in a while. They haven't.
That's not to say they weren't good at a particular time because every guy that you mentioned was. They were good.

Speaker 5 They're just not what they once were now. And that's what the Steelers need.
People are not. It used to be a time, Ocho, people were in all names.
Now people

Speaker 5 will make an example out of you and use you to catapult themselves because of your name and that and and people they look well he no all i know is like what paul pierce told me he said look i beat steph in the three-point competition i say man that man was his rookie year was he steph curry is he the greatest shooter of all time i don't know how old he was

Speaker 5 okay Ain't nobody gonna care. Man, this guy was in his 13th year.
This guy was in his 11th year. All I know, was that who you said he was?

Speaker 5 They're not good. They're not.
They're just not.

Speaker 5 And at some point in time, we just got to, we got to call it, we got to call it like we see it.

Speaker 5 They got big names. But if Watt and High Smith can't get home,

Speaker 5 if that front can't get home, because they got Hebring and they got a couple of other guys, if those guys don't get home, oh, that ball getting completed on the back end. It's really that simple.

Speaker 5 It's really that simple.

Speaker 5 But they're not close, close, Ocho. They're not.
I mean, look at this. They had 11 first downs.
There were 211 on third down. They had 221 yards of all.
Hold on. That's Aaron Rodgers, a quarterback.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 They had the ball, Ocho. They had the ball for 22.

Speaker 14 He had a bad day at the office, huh? He had a bad day at office. It happens.

Speaker 14 It happens to the best of us. It happens to some of the better teams, as we'll talk about later on in the show, teams that we expect to play well.

Speaker 14 I expect this to be probably one of the better games today.

Speaker 5 Out of the one o'clock in the the

Speaker 14 one of the better games. It just, it just, the funny thing about the NFL, the funny thing about the NFL, it's just you get games like this where you're expecting to be

Speaker 14 not a blowout, but you expect it to be exciting. You expect it to be two off the

Speaker 14 team scoring back and forth. And it just wasn't that.
It just didn't give that. So

Speaker 14 it's weird. It's weird how it's really, really weird how that works week to week.

Speaker 14 You can never really guarantee what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 I don't know what the Steelers were thinking.

Speaker 5 I don't know they were supposed to be in play for Waddle and there are a couple of other receivers they should have been in play for, but they should have, because really they don't have one guy.

Speaker 5 And if he can't complete the ball to DK, it ain't getting completed.

Speaker 5 The other guys are just guys. They're guys.

Speaker 5 Two, low twos, threes.

Speaker 14 But sometimes you got to win with that. Sometimes those twos and three.

Speaker 5 You ain't win no championship with that.

Speaker 14 What you mean? They have to make plays. They got to catch the ball.
This is the NFL. Every team can have, can't have one ones or one twos.
You just can't.

Speaker 14 You have to make do with what you got. So it's up to those players, the Calvin Austins, you know, anyone outside the DK, the tight ends,

Speaker 14 they have to make those plays.

Speaker 5 Well, you need Steve Austin, the $6 million man in Pittsburgh, if you're going to make some plays with what they got. Because Aaron is not what he once was.
He can't move around like he was

Speaker 5 like he once did. He's not as accurate as he once was because you're forcing him to move.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers throwing interceptions. Man,

Speaker 5 there were times Aaron Rodgers threw four interceptions in a season.

Speaker 5 He got four in the last two games.

Speaker 5 We never

Speaker 5 this ain't the Aaron Rodgers that we're used to seeing. Yeah, he can have the thing is, Ocho, and I've said this, having been, having a player that played really good when I was young.

Speaker 5 And as I started to get older, the thing that I tell people, you can have a big game, you just can't have them with the regularity you did when you were in your prime.

Speaker 5 And we've seen Aaron Rodgers have games that remind you, that is the old Aaron Rodgers,

Speaker 5 but they just don't come with the frequency like they once did. And that's what they need.
They needed Aaron Rodgers. They need MVP Aaron Rodgers that could carry

Speaker 5 an average or mediocre defense. He can't do that now.
As guys get, oh, good, what do they need, Ocho? What did Tom Brady need? Tom Brady needs guys that could elevate him.

Speaker 5 He needed a Godwin. He needed

Speaker 5 a Mike Evans. He needed a K-Dought and he needed Gronk to come back.
He needed an Antonio Brown.

Speaker 5 Those guys that he once won with in New England had gotten old and they could no longer do, he could no longer elevate them. So now I need you to help pull me because I can't pull you guys no more.

Speaker 5 I can't carry you no more. That's okay.

Speaker 5 But if the Steelers was going to stand pat with what they had, there's there's no way they thought that was good enough to win.

Speaker 5 No way.

Speaker 14 No way. Listen,

Speaker 14 we halfway through the season.

Speaker 14 They had some good games. They had some games where they played well.
Then they had some shitty games like tonight. I mean, you're going to have games.
You want to be consistent as possible.

Speaker 14 You want to be as consistent as possible in being hitting your stride. You want to hit the stride offensively and defensively at the right time.
You don't want to peak too early.

Speaker 14 You want to peak too soon. You want to hit it at the right time.
I still think they do have a chance. The fact that they are still first in the division,

Speaker 14 they got to play better. They got to play better.

Speaker 14 We've seen teams have games like this and then hit it right when it counts and when it matters most.

Speaker 5 But we've seen them skate by a couple of victories

Speaker 5 that they could have.

Speaker 5 I mean, I don't think there were any games that

Speaker 5 they lost.

Speaker 5 that they should have won, but we've seen some games that they won they should have lost.

Speaker 5 That jet game, if that guy doesn't fumble that ball,

Speaker 5 but it is what it is. We'll see.

Speaker 5 They played nine games. They're five and four.
There's eight games left.

Speaker 5 I don't believe they can hold the Ravens off.

Speaker 5 With the way the Ravens are currently playing, with Lamar playing at the level at which he's playing, I don't believe that can hold him off on Joe.

Speaker 14 All right, you know what? I'm going to let you have that one.

Speaker 14 I'm going to let you have that one because I was going to mention who they actually played and the team they actually played did a phenomenal job today.

Speaker 14 And there's a reason why they're probably going to win the AFC East and rejuvenize their season.

Speaker 5 Don't worry about it.

Speaker 14 If you could who, you could hear.

Speaker 5 The AFC East, that's New England's division.

Speaker 5 That's New England's division. It's time.

Speaker 14 It's eight games left.

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Speaker 5 OJO Eagles 10, Packers 7, a scoreless first half. The first time in in nearly two years that the NFL has had a scoreless first half.
But the Eagles make enough plays.

Speaker 5 A big play over the top of 36 yards. Jalen Hurts to Devontae Smith, former teammates at the University of Alabama.
And that was really the difference in the ball game as they win 10-7.

Speaker 5 Ocho, I'm going to let you take it. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 Unless you're a defensive guy. Unless you're a defensive guy, that's the only way you enjoy.

Speaker 5 Your microphone, where you microphone, we can get you muffled

Speaker 14 oh shoot my bad

Speaker 14 i'm glad yeah i'm glad i'm glad i'm glad you said something can you hear me now

Speaker 14 yeah yeah i say unless you're a defensive guy that's the only way you enjoyed this game that's the only way you enjoyed this game you expect you expect a lot you expect a lot of points especially from the green bay packers the way we talked about them before the season started with all the weapons that they have jordan love actually continuing to get better you know uh year to year and it was bad huh?

Speaker 14 It was bad.

Speaker 14 Saquon almost got loose a little bit, so I expected him to finally make, make, make his, his visit to the party and have it a big game and do some, and yeah, and do some of the things that Jonathan Taylor has been doing as of late, but that didn't happen.

Speaker 14 Um, it was a closed game, it was a game where the team with the fewest mistakes was going to win. The team with the fewest mistakes were going to win.

Speaker 14 And in the end, there was an opportunity for Green Bay to be able to tie it, and it just didn't happen.

Speaker 14 They missed. I'm not sure if you enjoyed this game.
Maybe you might have liked it

Speaker 14 based on what you saw, but I'm not going to call it a snooze fest

Speaker 14 because I was hyped before the game started. Oh my goodness, the Packers playing? Oh, the Eagles playing?

Speaker 14 I thought maybe it would have been a bar. It's going to be a barn burner.

Speaker 14 It was upsetting.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it left a lot to be desired. I mean, we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's been to the Pro Bowl, one quarterback

Speaker 5 that's won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 He's been a Super bowl mvp i don't think either quarterback played particularly well in this game i thought jalen hurts made the throws that he needed to make especially that big one to devontae smith um could have put a nice uh a a ribbon on that box a bow a nice bow on the box had he hit the drop that one in the bucket to um to aj um aj i don't care what y'all say eagles fan ain't no way aj coming back next year but we'll talk about that at a little another date in time oh i just i just don't get jordan love the mistakes that he makes they got a third and seven.

Speaker 5 You run the over concept. I'm going to dangle this cheese out here in front of you, hoping somebody go to the short route.

Speaker 5 Boy, don't you throw it. They did.
The Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up.

Speaker 5 They dropped Musgrave on the short route, and you got the end cut coming in behind him for the first down. And he take the seven yards when you need nine.
I'm confused, bro.

Speaker 5 And I was like, damn, I wonder what

Speaker 5 LaFleur is thinking. And then he went and looked at it on the iPad.
He said, you got to be eating me. You got to be eating me.
And then he's getting, I mean, he steps up in the pocket.

Speaker 5 Instead of all these guys breaking free, all of me, he got the shallow cross breaking free. He got the end cut breaking free.
He got the over breaking free.

Speaker 5 And he takes off running like he Lamar Jackson. Bro, throw the ball.
Ocho. Yeah.
The contract that he got, he earned that. But he's not meeting the expectations of what they happen.

Speaker 5 And I told you, I said, even with this mica trade, are we sure they're better than the Rams? I've asked you that. I said, Ocho, are we sure?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And that was a hard one back then.

Speaker 14 To answer that question, honestly, it was a hard one, especially with the way the season started, the expectations that they did have.

Speaker 14 Hell, the expectations that we had watching Jordan Love and what he's been able to do. uh as of late i mean you you would think hell they're gonna be right down and running with the rams

Speaker 5 Jordan Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for my fancy.

Speaker 5 And the throws that he's missing on Joe, if that's a rookie quarterback or a second-year quarterback, I'll kind of give him a little bit. Yeah, I kind of give him a little grace.

Speaker 5 But when you've a Pro Bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes.

Speaker 5 Bro, you get sacked and you're going to do, what you do, you try to pat the ball to Josh Jacob. Josh Jacob, okay? They coming on a blitz.
You hit the guy and leak out. Either break out or break in.

Speaker 5 You can't keep straight up the field, bro. You got to give him an angle to throw you the football.

Speaker 5 This is why I can't coach, oh choke. Some things they shouldn't have to tell you.

Speaker 5 You know damn well, Josh Jacobs, you're not going to run no route if you sleeping out and you're going to keep straight up the field.

Speaker 5 You're going to break out or you're going to break in because you got to give him an angle to throw you the football.

Speaker 5 So I don't blame Jordan Love for that for missing that throw because it's like, bro, if you break break out, you give me, I mean, think about it. You got brawn on your hip.
You catch this.

Speaker 5 Ain't no telling how far you're going to go.

Speaker 5 The Eagles, the one thing they're going to do, they're going to make plays. They're going to find a way to get the ball.

Speaker 5 I thought Green Bay did a great job of Jalen Hurst get the ball, gets going, picks up a big, and the guy comes in, punches it out. I was like, okay, Green Bay, you might be on to something.

Speaker 5 But you know, you've got to protect the ball for four quarters when you play the Eagles because they're very opportunistic. They'll find a way to get the ball out.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, I just need you to help me with one thing, and then I'm going to let you go. Take it.

Speaker 5 It's fourth and one.

Speaker 5 Why are you trying to go in a hurry when you've already got? First of all, they missed your first

Speaker 5 fall start on the quarterback sneaking in the first quarter. They missed that one.
They damn sure missed the one on the touch push. I'm trying to figure out how can I see things in real time.

Speaker 5 The officials at the damn game can't. We'll get to that in a minute.

Speaker 14 They're not supposed to call it.

Speaker 5 They're not supposed to call him.

Speaker 5 He got fourth and one. This is the money down.

Speaker 5 Take the time out. Give me your best fourth and one.
Give me your best fourth. Okay, what do we like on fourth and one? What do you? Hey, George, what do you like on fourth and one?

Speaker 5 We got three options right here. I like this.
Which one do you like?

Speaker 5 Receivers.

Speaker 5 When they go double tight, when they go jumbo formation, they got four line. They got one center, guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman.

Speaker 5 That extra offensive lineman is a tight end. You got to back your ass up.
You're the Z receiver. The guy to the open side now, he's the X receiver.

Speaker 5 Boy, look here. Sometimes, Ocho, what I get upset about, sometimes I'll be watching these guys play.
If Dynamite was brain, they couldn't blow their nose.

Speaker 5 Boy, look at here.

Speaker 5 This is why, chat. I mean, it's common sense, Ocho.
You got an extra lineman. He's on the ball.
He's now the tight end. You've got to back off.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The open side is now the ex-receiver.

Speaker 5 It's just, it's just common. It's just so,

Speaker 5 and maybe, maybe it's me because

Speaker 5 some things you just like, oh Joe, it's just common knowledge. I could just like really think on the fly and just like, okay, man, I'm supposed to be on the ball.

Speaker 5 I made the mistake one time and it cost us a big play and I promised I'd never be in that situation again.

Speaker 5 I know who's supposed to be on the ball, but if he lines up on the ball, Locho, ain't no harm, no foul. I'll back up off the ball.

Speaker 5 Instead of having a play where now all of a sudden we have an illegal formation because me, I'm supposed to be on the ball. You're supposed to be on the ball.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 You get on the ball. I'll get off.

Speaker 5 A lot of times, guys, I like to be on the ball. A lot of times, guys don't like to be on the ball because you're closer to the defender.

Speaker 5 I like being being on the ball because it's going to give me an opportunity to get my hands on you. Because I'm going to throw your ass out the way.

Speaker 5 I ain't going to be doing it.

Speaker 14 You know what that tells me, too,

Speaker 14 after one, two, three, three, four, four days to prepare, after three days of two days of real practice, five days of fast Friday, I mean, one day of Fast Friday, that that actual play that they did call in that fourth and one is one that they didn't go over many times, one that they didn't rehearse very many times, one that they didn't go through and walk through on Saturday on Saturday mornings, you know, when we talk about situational football.

Speaker 14 In case this comes up on four down, and these are the plays we choose from, this is the alignment that we need.

Speaker 5 That's that's why that happened. They rushed it, ocho.
Why are you, ocho? This is the most important.

Speaker 5 This is for the game. Oh, yeah.
Why would you rush it? I would rather take a timeout because the likelihood of you getting the ball back,

Speaker 5 and if you do get the ball back, oh, you're you're not going to get it back with a whole bunch of time. So now, and you look at the position that you're in.
Look where you are.

Speaker 5 Bro, I'm like, you got to be kidding me. You rush that on fourth and one.

Speaker 5 Normally, Ocho,

Speaker 5 if I'm going to invest something and this is my last, I ain't just finna go, hey, put it down right there. Ocho, I'm going to think about this.
Okay, let me think about this. Okay.

Speaker 5 This is my absolute last here.

Speaker 14 And it got to be, it got to be the best.

Speaker 5 It's got to be the best option.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 the Eagles, the one thing

Speaker 5 they're not going to do, and you can think about Sirianni whatever you want, they're not going to beat themselves.

Speaker 5 They're not going to beat themselves.

Speaker 5 They're going to line up properly. The alignment is going to be where they're supposed to be.
If a guy's on the ball, he's going to be on the ball.

Speaker 5 If the guy's off the ball, he's going to be off the ball. Defensively, they're going to be where they're supposed to be.
Man, I watched the situation where they had 22 men.

Speaker 5 They ran what we call cover five, Ocho, 22 man. Yeah.
Man, I watched

Speaker 5 Mitchell.

Speaker 5 Man, I thought it was a Kong Ku movie. Romeo Dobbs ain't moved.
He ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Speaker 5 Ain't move nowhere, oh, Joe. Chop it down.

Speaker 5 Oh, yo, don't laugh, man.

Speaker 5 Man, oh, Joe.

Speaker 14 What kind of movie? Hey, hey, what kind of movie?

Speaker 5 What's it was a Kong who movie? Ha, ha, ha, whoo, ha. And he ain't moved.

Speaker 5 Quick, hey, Mitchell, like.

Speaker 5 Stabbed him with one and he just standing up there like, bro. You got to be

Speaker 5 all that dancing is fine if you're at the disco. But when you're on the football field, you got to be moving forward.

Speaker 5 Because the quarterback, as he's going back and you're still at the line of scrimmage, oh,

Speaker 5 yeah. And remember, we had the conversation.

Speaker 5 Josh Jacobs said, we need a dog. We got some good.

Speaker 5 And all the receivers got mad. And they need a dog, OJ.

Speaker 5 They need to go.

Speaker 5 They got good. They got quality receivers.

Speaker 14 I think watson is the best but he can't stay healthy he got so much speed he got hamstrings he had his knee he can't stay healthy well listen listen what we're looking for when we talk about a dog they have such good quality wide receivers that are really good at doing different things all is all is a little fine-tuning up it ain't nothing but a little fine well they need to come see you so they can get the fight so they can fine-tune it

Speaker 14 Hey, and let me tell you something. Everybody, every, if you think about it, everybody that came to that wide receiver workshop in July, you see what they're doing this year, right?

Speaker 14 Hey, JSN, JSN had my eyes wide open, being able to see him in person. I saw him at Ohio State.
I seen him at the Rose Bowl, you know.

Speaker 14 I saw him, I saw him a little bit last year, but I was not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm seeing now, you know.
And just, listen, Dobbs,

Speaker 14 Wicks,

Speaker 14 Jaden Reed, come on back down here, man.

Speaker 14 Breen them boys with you, man. Let's politic together continue to work on our craft continue to work on our game and get better for situations like today for nights like today

Speaker 14 where plays where plays don't come come often and the ones that you do make you got to make a difference these are the reasons why you get paid the million these type of games are the reasons why you get paid the big bucks look

Speaker 5 for me

Speaker 5 I think the way the Eagles are going to have to win, they're going to have to win the game more on Jalen Hurts' arms than Saquon legs, as opposed to what it was last year.

Speaker 5 Teams are not going to let him run wild.

Speaker 5 Last year, it seemed like every game we've come out here and we're like, man, how y'all keep letting this man hit his head on the goal post from 60?

Speaker 5 How y'all let him hit his goal head on the goal post twice from 50 plus? Now there's like, we're going to shut this water off. You're going to have to get water elsewhere.

Speaker 5 And the elsewhere is going to be in the form of Jalen Hurts, his legs, and his arms. But they do a great job.
Jalen, it's rare that Hurts turns the ball over. They got it out tonight.

Speaker 5 You know, they got him going down, and then boom, dude, get a get with the peanut punch. He did a great job of getting it out.

Speaker 5 But if I'm the Packers, the Pat, it's a team game, but you know, the frustration is starting to get built, Ocho. Bro, we held that team to 10 points.

Speaker 5 We held that team to 10 points. We held Saquon Barkley to 60 yards.
We held the quarterback to under 200 yards passing.

Speaker 5 That's got to be enough. Well, it wasn't enough.
So you're going to have to find ways that, like, you're going to have to create more turnovers.

Speaker 5 You're going to have to put him, you're going to have to put the opposing quarterback under the rest. Now, granted, that's a good offensive line.

Speaker 5 The big right tackle, he got nicked, came out, but you see, when the rubber needed to meet the roll on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in the game because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it means to him.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 this Green Bay Packers team, man, they got to do some soul searching because the lions hey hold on they got they play the lions on thanksgiving don't they i think that's the thanksgiving day game i i believe so yes three games at the packers packers they got at giants they got at uh vikings at home at lions on thanksgiving

Speaker 5 hey and

Speaker 5 just so you know they got the bears twice the bears ain't no easy win

Speaker 5 Oh, no, not no, not no more. No, no, no, not.

Speaker 5 And you go to Denver.

Speaker 14 Well, they're gonna, they're gonna beat they're gonna beat down.

Speaker 5 You see that pass rush? Who you think got a better pass rush? Ush or the us or the Eagles?

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 you know, the Broncos pass rushes is

Speaker 5 exactly.

Speaker 14 Hey, talk about, forget the pass rush, defense, defense as a whole.

Speaker 5 And on all three levels, they got the raid in the game.

Speaker 5 And the Vikings again.

Speaker 5 The Eagles remaining schedule, Lions at home, at Cowboys, Bears at home, at Chargers, Raiders at home, at Commanders, at Bills.

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Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, we talked about this last night.

Speaker 5 We didn't see it coming so soon, but the Giants head coach Brian Dayball has been relieved of his duties after blowing another double-digit lead Sunday in Chicago.

Speaker 5 Giants co-owners John Marr and Steve Tisch said today, the past few seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have not met our expectations for this franchise.

Speaker 5 We understand the frustration of our fans, and we will work to deliver significant improved product.

Speaker 5 Assistant coach, offensive coordinator Mike Kafka will serve as the Giants' interim head head coach. Dayball, 20, 40, and one as Giants head coach.
His 336 winning percentage puts him behind

Speaker 5 Ben McAdoo. No, he had a bunch of cheesecake factory, that big menu he had.

Speaker 5 And Ray Perkins

Speaker 5 fired two of fired two of the three head coach coordinators and flip-flop play calling with others, replaced five of nine position coach, started seven different quarterbacks, had a running record with none of them he's fired as the giants because he didn't win it's really it's really that simple no owners uh uh john marron steve tisch you fail

Speaker 5 how is the general manager still there because he hired him how is he still there daniel jones is gone saquan barkley is gone he drafted evin neal so yes so you think you're gonna get an improved product when when the general manager the guy that's making all the decision he's still there i'm not saying brian day should or should not have been fired.

Speaker 5 We'll discuss that in a minute. But I'm trying to figure out how

Speaker 5 Sean

Speaker 5 has been able to keep his damn job.

Speaker 14 Hey,

Speaker 14 honestly,

Speaker 14 regardless of what coach comes in there,

Speaker 14 they're probably going to get fired. They've gone through multiple coaches.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 They've been going through multiple coaches. And for Brian Dayball to get fired is is kind of somewhat understandable.

Speaker 14 He's had leading games in multiple games this season.

Speaker 14 He had leading games early in the game, and they lost on the back end.

Speaker 14 They lost on the back end. I'm talking about bad game that they should have continued to be able to have some type of success after having the leads they've had.
And they squandered

Speaker 14 everyone. You mean you didn't win not one of those.

Speaker 5 I think they made four double leads going into the fourth quarter, right? Yes. I mean, they had a 26-8, 26-9 lead over the Broncos.
They had a 20-10 lead over the Bears.

Speaker 5 They had to lead with the Cowboys with like 14 seconds. The guy comes on, do a midfield goal, and they end up winning in an overtime.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, here it is.

Speaker 5 Week two, they led 13-3, lost 40-37. At the Saints, they led 14-3, lost 26-14.
The Broncos, they led 26-8, lost 33-32. With the Bears, they led 20 to 10, lost 24-20.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And one thing about it, we always say coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches.

Speaker 14 You could have 100 coaches, 100 different coaches coming there, and all 100 are going to get fired.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 14 All 100 are going to get fired. And listen, some accountability has to be.

Speaker 14 Put on put on the players as well, you know, but but obviously the coaching staff too.

Speaker 5 And the one person who is see oversees all that is brian so at this point it was time no brian don't coach the team he ain't got no say he probably didn't have any say over the final 53 he probably had no say in free agency he probably had no say in the draft hell no he happy to have a job

Speaker 14 hold on so it sounds like somebody they run this show over there like like like the like like that team they got that start on the horses they're all yes

Speaker 5 yes that's why i laughed when jerry told me he thought about hiring sean payton man you actually think sean payton's gonna to come in there. And the only thing he's going to be is a coach.

Speaker 5 He ain't going to have no say over the final 53. He's not going to have any say over the draft.
He's not going to have any say of free agency. He's just going to stand there and coach.

Speaker 5 And then when things go wrong, they're going to blame him.

Speaker 5 Just like all the coaches he fired. How many coaches has he had since he fired Jimmy?

Speaker 5 Who took over at the gym? Was it? He had, who's that? Dave Campo? He had Dave Campo. He had

Speaker 5 Chan Galy, who was my old position coach. He had Wade Phillips.
He had Jason Garrett.

Speaker 5 Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 5 Now, he's probably had more than that.

Speaker 5 Right.

Speaker 5 Until, damn.

Speaker 5 You know, hey, John Marrow, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 You know, when you had a lot to say about what the fans, what the fans were saying, because you was reading all their mail when they was calling in and talking about cap and all that.

Speaker 5 You read the mail.

Speaker 5 Let's read some of the mail what they're saying about you.

Speaker 5 See if they're happy with you and what you've been able to do with this franchise.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because y'all ain't, y'all, look, y'all ain't been close. Since y'all got rid of it, since Eli retired,

Speaker 5 you bungled that.

Speaker 5 Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you start Gino, and then you start Eli again after you don't break the man streak.

Speaker 5 And they did that.

Speaker 5 Of course they did.

Speaker 14 You know, you know, you know what they're doing.

Speaker 5 Oh, Bart, Barry Switzerland. Baron Switzerland came after Jimmy.
So it was Baron Switzer. Then I think it was Parcells.
Campo.

Speaker 5 Oh, they had 10 coaches. Okay.
So, Jimmy Johnson, Baron Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, Brian Schotten.

Speaker 5 Jimmy Johnson had a 550, 550 winning percentage. Baron Switzer had 625.

Speaker 5 Chan Gailey was 18 and 14. Dave Campo was 15 and 33, 15 and 33.
Bill Parcells was 34 and 30. Wade Phillips was 34 and 22.
Jason Garrett was 85 and 67. Mike McCarthy was 49 and 35.

Speaker 5 And Brian Schottenheimer right now is 3, 5, and 1.

Speaker 5 No, but no, but what we're saying is that ownership plays a large part in the success of a team.

Speaker 14 I'm glad you just said that, huh? look at all the teams that consistently win the chiefs look at the chiefs

Speaker 14 look at the ravens look at the patriots yep the ravens um

Speaker 14 well obviously i'm gonna throw the package in there because they're a winning organization not actually going not actually you know getting

Speaker 14 lombardi trophies but always being always being in contention Always being in contention. And another thing,

Speaker 14 one thing that can overcome bad ownership is a great quarterback.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but you got to pick him, and sometimes they'll mess that up. Hey,

Speaker 14 that too. But

Speaker 14 having an elite quarterback and overcome some of the bad decision-making that happens all the way up.

Speaker 5 I think the problem that Coach Dayball ran into, Ocho, is that he realized early on the only guy that can save my job is the quarterback that we drafted in the first round.

Speaker 5 But in the process of doing that, he put him in harm's way. Because, Ocho, if I'm drowning, I don't give a damn about drowning you to save myself.

Speaker 5 I'm trying to keep my head above water. So, if that means you got to go down, I got to stand on your shoulders, so be it.

Speaker 14 And that's

Speaker 14 what he did.

Speaker 5 He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying to save his job. Because at the end of the day, yeah, I drafted him.
Hell, I want to coach him.

Speaker 5 So, and so, in the process of putting him in harm's way,

Speaker 5 he subjected him to some hits. Jackson Dartin, I said this now, I was early on.
Man, let the chat, they always want to let somebody live.

Speaker 5 Now, you got your guy in the in the blue tent damn near every game because you wanted to let him live you like that fire I want my quarterback to have energy okay now look at your quarterback y'all still like that Jarrett

Speaker 5 because you had a lot to say I said you can't run like that You can't.

Speaker 5 You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind of hits. That's why they're protecting his ass in the pocket.
Once he leaves the pocket, T off on him. He's a running back.

Speaker 5 Now look at him. But y'all had a lot to say.
We ain't had that kind of energy in a long time, and you might not have it again.

Speaker 14 Hey, listen. Hey, honestly, Joe, and as a fan of the game, but watching Jackson Dart once he came in, but that was affected.

Speaker 5 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 You got to be smart, though.

Speaker 14 If you do, now that comes on him, and that's going to come. He's going to get that with experience and understanding.
You got to pick and choose your battles.

Speaker 14 And when you pick me, but you got to pick them wise.

Speaker 5 Well, I hope they knock some sense into it because they damn sure knock tomorrow's out of it.

Speaker 5 oh yeah you got you got to make business decisions you got to make business decisions when you got that ball in your hands and you cross that threshold and you become a runner man hey them boys is not playing with you out there man this is not college them and them grown them grown men they're trying to break you because that's their opportunity because they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they want to but what they can do is tee off on your ass when you're out of the pocket but they give you something called a protection where you can slide and they can't touch you

Speaker 5 now you try to be a hero and I get all that. You get up and get the fire, get the first down, and you do all this, and you get the crowd hype and all that.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Okay, Billy badass.

Speaker 5 I've seen it. I know what they're going to do.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Quarterbacks are not used to taking hits like that. They're not built to take hits like that.
So why would you subject yourself to taking that kind of punishment, OJo?

Speaker 5 You cannot go take that that kind of punishment hold on and it's a funny thing about it and some of the play calling ain't helping no

Speaker 5 some of the play calling did i just tell you i'm trying

Speaker 5 hell yeah i'm trying to save my damn self so if you drown in the process so be it ocho yeah as long as you save my ass thank you why you think he calling no flays ojo

Speaker 5 and and and i get it I get it. But Jackson Dart needs to be smarter and they need to put an emphasis on it also.
Hey, son, get down. You get the first down.
Hey, I get it.

Speaker 5 The crowd gets energized, but the crowd will get you effed up.

Speaker 5 They get you effed up.

Speaker 14 Hey, trying to do what they want, huh?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and you're exactly right. Let me ask you a question, Ocho.
Who do you think will be a good fit?

Speaker 5 Who do you think will be a good fit for the Giants?

Speaker 5 Nah.

Speaker 5 Okay. I see how much money they take from you in New York.

Speaker 5 You bet

Speaker 5 on 1.5 million, you bring home 747,000. Kick rocks.

Speaker 14 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 Can I coach from Vegas?

Speaker 5 I do have all my meetings from Zoom.

Speaker 14 I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would resonate very well with grown men that are in the NFL.

Speaker 5 Hell,

Speaker 14 brother, Lane Kiffin, huh?

Speaker 5 Lane?

Speaker 5 You like John Gruden? Yeah.

Speaker 14 Oh, Lane Kiffin and John John Gruden?

Speaker 14 That's the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

Speaker 5 Mike McCarthy. I heard Mike McCarthy name thrown around.

Speaker 5 What about...

Speaker 14 Hey,

Speaker 14 for that city, though,

Speaker 14 that city needs a coach like a Lane Kiff and a John Gruden that's a little bit fiery.

Speaker 14 You know, a little bit has a little personality to him.

Speaker 5 The offensive coordinator

Speaker 5 for Washington.

Speaker 5 He was the head coach

Speaker 5 in Arizona.

Speaker 5 Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury? Now, he normally works really well with mobile, athletic quarterbacks. We saw what he did with Kyler.

Speaker 5 We saw what he's done for Jalen, Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 would he work with a Jackson Dart? A guy that's mobile. He's not quite as athletic as Daniels and Kyler.
But But that might, that, hey,

Speaker 5 what do you think? You think Drew

Speaker 5 would ever make a format with all the NFL stuff?

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, the thing is,

Speaker 5 it might be a part of it. I mean,

Speaker 5 the question is, his thing is, they threw it out because, you know, the commissioner wanted to hear it. It's like, no, you're not going to do that.

Speaker 5 You're not going to be the arbitrator, the man suing you, and you hear your own opinion. No, hell no.

Speaker 5 So the question is with the NFL, how is that going to play out? Because this thing's going to court.

Speaker 5 So, do they get a settlement and a part of the settlement?

Speaker 5 He can come back and coach, or is it a situation where we're going to give you money and you done, you can cover the league, but you're not going to coach in the league?

Speaker 14 I like the John Gruden route. John Gruden, and obviously Lane Kevin, who coached him in college.

Speaker 5 I think that did you just not hear what I said?

Speaker 5 He has a pending lawsuit against the NFL.

Speaker 14 Let me tell you,

Speaker 14 there are certain rules that are bent, regardless of stuff like that going on. Well, they can make it happen.

Speaker 5 If the NFL says we're going to offer you a settlement, but you cannot coach in the NFL.

Speaker 5 Oh, okay.

Speaker 14 Well, hell, you know who else has had a lawsuit against the NFL and is still coaching?

Speaker 5 Brian Florence. BF over there.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, he's coaching.

Speaker 5 Is he a head coach?

Speaker 5 Okay. Now, the question is,

Speaker 5 he's had good defenses.

Speaker 5 You think he's going to get a job with that lawsuit? Who's going to hire him? Because you do realize if he sued the league, who is he suing? One of those owners.

Speaker 14 One of the owners, yeah.

Speaker 5 So it's going to be a very interesting situation to see how this plays out. It's kind of like, oh, Joe, I got a lawsuit against you, but I want my job back.

Speaker 5 Nah, you're going to take this money and go ahead on.

Speaker 5 You ain't getting no job back.

Speaker 14 Hey, but honestly,

Speaker 14 knowing how the NFL works, understanding the ecosystem that they do have,

Speaker 14 that brotherhood they have amongst each other, I can still see

Speaker 14 things working itself out in ways that we won't be able to explain.

Speaker 5 Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained. But it's just hard for me to see a scenario.
Oh, this man got, he won 60, he won 100 million.

Speaker 5 They say, you ruined my reputation by leaking this stuff.

Speaker 14 Right.

Speaker 5 And you cost me $60 million, $60, $70 million that was left on my contract.

Speaker 5 Oh, all that was

Speaker 5 all that's off the table. He signed a 10-year, $100 million deal.

Speaker 14 $100 million deal. Yeah, I remember that.
But I thought he was still getting paid for yourself. No.

Speaker 5 You don't get.

Speaker 5 They bought, they bought his. And the thing is,

Speaker 5 Mark Davis didn't want to. He said he didn't want to.
He said the NFL forced him to.

Speaker 14 Forced him to do it? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Who else?

Speaker 5 I hear people talking about Clint Kubiak,

Speaker 5 the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 He was the offensive coordinator in

Speaker 5 Minnesota last year. With who was his quarterback in Minnesota?

Speaker 5 Sam Darno. He's the offensive coordinator in Seattle.
Who's his quarterback?

Speaker 14 Ooh, Sam Darno. It's funny.
It's funny how that worked, too, right?

Speaker 5 He's going to get some strong consideration. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5 coach.

Speaker 5 Hey, Clint,

Speaker 5 let me get a job.

Speaker 14 Do you really, you have to understand? Also, Clint has to look at the landscape of the New York Giants. Understand what you're working with.

Speaker 14 Understand what you had when you was out there in Minnesota. It made things easy.
Oh, Joe. You know,

Speaker 14 understand the weapons you have around you now that you were over there in goddamn

Speaker 5 Seattle.

Speaker 14 Yeah, now do you do you want to come and start all over in New York? You do have Jackson Dart, who is very exciting. Scatterboy will be back next year.
Malik Neighbors.

Speaker 14 Well,

Speaker 14 he should be fine by the start of the season on. Who?

Speaker 5 Malik. Yeah, he should be.
He definitely should be. But here's the thing, though, Ocho.

Speaker 5 Ocho,

Speaker 5 that's still a gold standard franchise. And my first head coaching job is going to be with the New York Giants.
Who turns that down?

Speaker 5 No, you just saw, you just saw what's the

Speaker 5 guy that was at Philly last year?

Speaker 5 The OC? Yeah.

Speaker 5 He was at Dallas OC for a long time. Kellen Moore.
Kellen Moore.

Speaker 5 I Kellen.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe. He took New Orleans.

Speaker 5 He took the New Orleans job. If give it a choice, you take New Orleans or you taking the Giants.

Speaker 5 The Lions beat the commanders 44-22. Dan Campbell resumed, took over play calling duties from first-yard offensive coordinator John Morton this past week, and it ignited a dominant win.

Speaker 5 Campbell said he met with Morton for an honest conversation to discuss some changes last Monday, a day after a stunning home loss to the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 5 Things looked a lot different on the field, Ojo. Detroit racked up a season high, 226 yards rushing, 546 yards total.

Speaker 5 Jamison Williams benefited from the change. He had six catches for a buck 19 and a touchdown.
It's the second time that he has eclipsed 100 yards this year.

Speaker 5 The first time came in week two against the Bears, in which he had 108.

Speaker 5 Not so pretty in this ballgame. Frustration set in on Deron Payne, who punched Amon Ross St.
Brown. Payne was ejected.
I can see a potential one-to-two game suspension coming.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Easy. Easy.

Speaker 5 This is not the first time because there was a situation that he got into it with a former teammate. Remember, he got into it with a former teammate.

Speaker 5 He got pieced up on the side.

Speaker 14 I remember that. I remember that.
I remember that.

Speaker 5 Yes, yes.

Speaker 5 But the NFL is not going to take Kylie to this.

Speaker 5 I'm saying one to two games, two games on the high end. He's getting a minimum of at least one game.

Speaker 14 I say one game. I say one game.
If it is two, it's because he's a repeat offender in general. And just having issues like this, you know, on the field,

Speaker 14 They're going to be all right. Obviously,

Speaker 14 frustration said, and I'm not sure what Amon Ross said to him, but it was enough to piss him off. It was enough to piss him off.

Speaker 5 Ken Law said, Amen, Raw punched him first.

Speaker 5 What receiver you know, Ocho, gonna punch a D-tackle?

Speaker 14 Me?

Speaker 14 Me?

Speaker 14 I done whooped on a few people. I had a fight with Sam Adams in the locker room back in Cincinnati when he was with

Speaker 5 Hey, hey, hey, listen to me.

Speaker 5 How many? Let me ask you a question. How many D-tackles on the football field did you put on the field?

Speaker 14 Oh, no, I ain't put on the field. I did all my fighting in the locker room.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So,

Speaker 5 Payne was ejected. Jared Goff, 25 or 33, 320, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
Jameer Gilles, 15 carries, 142, two tubs. Montgomery,

Speaker 5 15 carries, 71 yards. 33 rush attempts, 226.
33 pass attempts, 320.

Speaker 5 Amon Ross St. Bryan, no,

Speaker 5 J-Mo, six catches, a buck 19, one touchdown. Amon Ross St.
Brown had 5-58, never touchdown. Sam Laporta had 5 for 53.

Speaker 5 Raymond had 4 for 49. Mariota was 16 of 22, 213, two touchdowns.
They didn't run the ball particularly well at all.

Speaker 5 Listen,

Speaker 14 in order for the commanders to even have a chance, honestly, I'm just gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 14 The person that gives them their best chance to win, Mario is a good, he's a good quarterback, he's a decent quarterback, he's a tier, he's a tier two

Speaker 14 borderline tier three quarterback.

Speaker 14 In order for the commanders to have a chance playing against a team like the Lions that can score well and put up a crazy amount of points, you got to be able to match that in some way, shape, form, or fashion.

Speaker 14 You have to be able to match their output offensively. And if Jaden Daniels is not playing, it's slimmer than none.
Unless your defense, your defense got to play all-out world.

Speaker 14 They got to play out world. The goddamn goddamn Lions had 546 goddamn yards of offense today, man.
546 yards of offense.

Speaker 14 These are video game numbers in real life. And this is happening almost every week.
Even sometimes in their losses, they put up crazy numbers.

Speaker 14 They was five.

Speaker 5 What get them in trouble is when they turn it over. That's it.

Speaker 5 When the lions don't turn it over, we remember that's how they lost against Washington.

Speaker 14 And there was zero turnovers a day.

Speaker 14 Zero turnovers. Third down, they were five or ten.
And on fourth down, obviously,

Speaker 14 I don't give a goddamn what analytics say. Forget what analytics say.
Dan Campbell is going foot on four down. They were two for two on four down today.

Speaker 14 That's the day.

Speaker 14 That's going to break your back every time at the defense because now you're thinking you're going into a game. You want to play well, especially offense like that.
You stop them on three downs. Boom.

Speaker 14 You're somewhat happy because you're thinking in your mind, goddamn, we can get off the field. Now we got a punt.
They got a punt. And here they go.
Fourth and two, fourth and one.

Speaker 14 Shoot, fourth and four. Sometimes they going for it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, depending depending on where they are on the field.

Speaker 14 They're definitely going for it.

Speaker 5 Down and distance,

Speaker 5 position on the field is more determining than down and distance. It used to be down and distance.
If it's fourth and short, oh, you're we're going to go for it. Now

Speaker 5 it could be fourth and four. If they plus 50, they go 50.

Speaker 14 If plus 50 is a good one, I think they're a little bit more cautious, fourth and anything further than that. But once they cross that 30 yards, once they caught that 30 yards, and they all

Speaker 14 down territory for them. Yeah.
Anything past the 30, it's a wrap. They're They're going for it.

Speaker 5 I agree. I agree.
But they look good.

Speaker 5 I don't know how long. I don't know.

Speaker 5 We've seen this before.

Speaker 5 He took over the play calling from an ex-teammate of mine, Anthony Lynn, was calling, but I think they had lost like all the, they had lost a bunch of games that he took the play calling over.

Speaker 5 So I don't know if he's going to continue to do that

Speaker 5 or at some point in time turn it back over, but I don't see him turning it back over when they had this kind of production and the Rams, Rams, and the Lions look like the Lions that we thought thought they were going to look like.

Speaker 5 With this Arsenal,

Speaker 5 the two-headed monster they got, Gibbs got speed to burn. Absolutely.
Montgomery run well between the tackle. He can catch the ball.
They do a great healthy mix. Both guys got 15 carries.

Speaker 5 Nobody feels like they're being left out.

Speaker 14 You know what's funny about that when it comes to the play calling? Remember, I told you

Speaker 14 when Ben Johnson left and we talked about whether the Lions still look the same. I said they still have the same players.
They still have the same players.

Speaker 14 And obviously, the merry-go-round of who's going to call the plays and who's not.

Speaker 14 I think that really doesn't matter just about whoever's calling the plays finding a rhythm and putting those players in position to work now you got to understand when the lions do play the the game they played where they didn't look the right the right the way they should offensively or based on they didn't look the way we're used to seeing them well hell the other team on the other side of the ball get paid too huh

Speaker 14 The team on the other side of the ball gets paid too. And you look at games where the Eagles have lost and we're used to

Speaker 14 seeing them play well. Or Saquon hasn't been going off today.
Well, hell, the goddamn, the the film is out there now. We know what to do.
We know how to stop them.

Speaker 14 So, it's not like they plan against themselves. They are playing against other people that get paid millions of dollars as well, that watch film, that study, that know their tendencies.

Speaker 14 So, I think it's sometimes, I mean, we get caught up in who's calling the plays, where they look this way because Dan Campbell was called.

Speaker 14 I really don't think it really matters much because the personnel they have offensively is so goddamn good. It's so good, they're going to just execute whatever you goddamn call.
But we used to see.

Speaker 5 But that's the thing, though. I think putting that personnel in position,

Speaker 5 because that was the same personnel they had before they got.

Speaker 5 What's the guy at New Orleans now calling the plays?

Speaker 14 Oh, Mr. Kelly Moore.

Speaker 5 Yeah. The guy before Kelly Moore didn't do that with that off.
That was the same players. They didn't go to the Super Bowl.
As a matter of fact, they faltered down the stretch.

Speaker 5 When Shane Steichen had them, they went to the Super Bowl. Shane Steichen has a competent quarterback now.
look at what they're doing

Speaker 5 so yeah obviously play call players matter it's it's still gems and joes but somebody got to put those gems and joes because hey everybody all everybody got the same chess piece on the board but everybody don't know how to play right right right right and

Speaker 14 you're right you're right about that and and the funny thing this is the good thing about when you when it comes to your tier one players at certain positions when you have those chess pieces and some chess pieces are a little better than others where you lack when it comes to calling plays, the chess piece is so good, they can overcome that bad play calling.

Speaker 14 They can overcome that bad play calling depending on who the player is. Hell, it's a lot of receivers that can save a quarterback that throws bad balls.

Speaker 14 You know, I mean, yeah, I'm trying to say it in that sense.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but it's still, you're right.

Speaker 5 It's still the Jeffs and the Joes, but it definitely helps when people can put people in a position to do what they do. Because you look at Kellen Moore, he in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 How'd that work in that board?

Speaker 5 He ain't got he, he still has he running the same offense that he ran in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 He calls the same plays, but he ain't got Jalen Hurts and he don't got Saquon and he don't got Devontae and he don't got AJ, so therefore it's not gonna look the same.

Speaker 5 And that offensive line isn't the same.

Speaker 5 So, with that being said, you're not gonna get the same results, it's a combination, but at the end of the day, the more good players you have, the better your chances are winning.

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