Nightcap Hour 2: Oregon SAVES CFP Hopes + Miami Hurricanes ROUTE Syracuse + Akeem Mesidor joins NIGHTCAP
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Oregon saving its college football playoff hopes by beating Iowa,the Miami Hurricanes roll Syracuse 38-10 today, and Akeem Mesidor joins the show to talk about the season thus far and much more!
0:00 - Oregon saves CFP hopes, escapes Iowa on last-second field goal
3:03 - Miami used some tricks to roll to a 38-10 win over Syracuse toda
7:10 - Miami Hurricanes DL Akheem Mesidor joins the show
18:10 - Kyler Murray’s future in Arizona is getting cloud
26:23 - Jayden Daniels won't be placed on IR
30:20 - Darvin Ham on Westbrook
37:05 - SGA says he wasn’t a fan of how the Thunder won the title
39:50 - Scout on LaMelo Ball
44:25 - Play or Fade
46:35 - Q & Ayyyyyy
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Speaker 15 Yeah.
Speaker 16
Johnny, we're going to get you out of this one. Oregon Saves College Football Hopes escape Iowa on a last-second field goal.
Number nine, the IWA Ducks.
Speaker 16 took down the
Speaker 16 who did the IWA 1816 on Attica Sappington's 39-yard field goal with three seconds to remain. The Ducks leaned on their run game, which gashed Awa for 261 yards on 36 carries.
Speaker 16 The special teams produced 12 points, including a safety after a bad snap by Iwa.
Speaker 16
It was raining. The conditions weren't very good, but Oregon found a way.
And that's what you have to do to keep your hopes alive. You got to just stay alive.
It's a surviving advance.
Speaker 16 That's it.
Speaker 15 And something, you know, a surviving to get you beat too, huh?
Speaker 15 Yeah. Surviving will get you beat too.
Speaker 15
Not the normal Oregon we're used to seeing the way they perform today. I don't know, maybe the conditions, maybe the temperature, maybe the rain, whatever it may be.
But again, same thing with
Speaker 15 not Vandi game, the LSU, LSU, Alabama, LSU, Alabama game. Same thing.
Speaker 15 Same thing.
Speaker 15
Sometimes, sometimes you get a game, you play a team that is somewhat inferior, and they just play well. They just play well that day.
Any given Saturday.
Speaker 15 Anything that happens.
Speaker 17
I think for Oregon, obviously, you look at the end of their schedule. They have USC coming up, and then they finish with Washington.
So two ranked games.
Speaker 17 They're not
Speaker 17 breezing their way into this college football playoff. They're definitely going to have to come out the next couple Saturdays and earn it for sure.
Speaker 17
This is one of those ones where you're like, okay. We got out of there.
Next, let's go get ready for SC. We've seen what they are.
We've seen their games on tape. We feel like we can beat them.
We go.
Speaker 17
So, you know, they should beat the next two teams they have, but it's nothing. It's not a layup.
It's not guaranteed. It's not, you know, they're going to have to go out and fight for it.
Speaker 17
To be honest, I don't really know what stands out on this Oregon team, to be honest. I think the quarterback at times shows flashes.
I think their defense at times shows flashes.
Speaker 17 But, like, I don't think you look at it and say, this is one of the best. or better Oregon teams of the past decade or so.
Speaker 17
And like, so it's like, what do they do well, you you know, kind of type of thing. But they're going to be in.
They're in the conversation. They're in the mix.
Speaker 17 We'll be talking about them a lot for the next two, three weeks, if they take care of business. Yep.
Speaker 16
Hey, make sure you guys go check and subscribe to Johnny Menzel's podcast, Glory Days on all platforms. Johnny, thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next week, man. Have a good one.
Speaker 16 Hey, head back out and, you know, have a drink for me.
Speaker 17
You know, brother. Much love.
I appreciate you.
Speaker 16 See you next week. Alrighty.
Speaker 16 Miami used some trick plays, Ocho, today to roll to a 38-10 win over Syracuse.
Speaker 16 Carson Beck threw for a touchdown, caught a scoring pass, and a clipped 10,000 yards passing to mark in his college career.
Speaker 16 The Hurricanes put it on each of their first four drives, then scored on each of the next four. Miami had no points on its first 22 plays, then 22 points on its next 22 plays.
Speaker 16 That's the thing that's so frustrating about
Speaker 16
Miami. Yeah.
Because like you could see like, damn, man, they just moving the ball up and down the field. Yeah.
And then the next game, you're like,
Speaker 16 have y'all practiced? Have you watched take? I mean, what is going on?
Speaker 15
I have no idea. With the talent that UM has right now, with the money that they're paying Carson Beck, I mean, things should be very smooth week in and week out.
And obviously, it's not that.
Speaker 15 Some of the games they've lost, I'm like, well, what the hell is going on? And then Beck throwing the interceptions that he throws.
Speaker 15 And I think about the talent he has around him is good enough to even on a bad night if he has a bad night the talent around him should be able to over overshadow his bad play and that that just hadn't been been been the case the players are good the skill position players are good but then they're not as good as what they used to be It's not some of the Hall of Famers that came through there, but there are some.
Speaker 16 This is different.
Speaker 16 They're not the Kanes of the 80s. They're not the Kanes of the 2000s.
Speaker 16
That's not what they have. This is a different time.
This is a different era they got good players but yeah
Speaker 16 i mean you look at what they had they don't have no ed reeds no sean taylors no ray lewis's that's different ron browns no no no santiana moss no michael irvin brett parapet they don't have that that's not that's that that's not what they have they have good you know vinnie wasn't the heisman uh uh um bernie was the number one pick in the supplemental draft that's not what they have and it's okay most teams don't have what they once had but this is a good team and I feel they've lost some games that they definitely should not have lost because their quarterback has turned the ball over at the most inoport time, most inopportune times, too many times.
Speaker 16 Yes.
Speaker 16 You can't throw four picks and hope you overcome it. Nah.
Speaker 15 For one, you don't have the defense to overcome it.
Speaker 16 No.
Speaker 15 And the offense is too inconsistent for you to overcome, you know, throwing four goddamn picks. Nah, that's not happening.
Speaker 16 I mean,
Speaker 16 they beat beat Notre Dame, beat South Florida, they beat Florida, they beat Florida State, then you lose the Louisville with the four interceptions, you lose the SMU,
Speaker 16 you beat Syracuse, now you go at NC State. No, you home to NC State, you're at Virginia Tech, and you're at 24 Pitt.
Speaker 16 So
Speaker 16 we'll see, you know,
Speaker 16 there's still a lot to play for.
Speaker 16 They could get to 10 and 2 and just let the chips fall where they may.
Speaker 16 Because somebody above them is going to lose and they'll get an opportunity to rise. But
Speaker 16
they've gagged some games. You can't lose at home to Louisville.
I understand Louisville is a good team.
Speaker 15 Hey, Louisville is good,
Speaker 16 did they beat Cal tonight, or did Cal beat them? Didn't they play Cal?
Speaker 15 Yeah, Louisville wasn't lose to Cal?
Speaker 15
I doubt it. Listen, I can't even see the scoreboard.
I can't even see the scoring. I know goddamn well that that didn't happen.
No disrespect to Cal, but hey, Louisville.
Speaker 16 Cal beat Louisville 29-26.
Speaker 16 You serious? You want to say that again?
Speaker 16 I beg your pardon.
Speaker 18 You serious?
Speaker 16 I beg your pardon.
Speaker 15 You serious or you playing?
Speaker 16 29-26. Cal beat number 15, Louisville.
Speaker 15 Hey,
Speaker 15 I don't understand college football.
Speaker 16 Yeah, I know.
Speaker 15 I don't understand college football.
Speaker 16 And Cal beat him in Louisville.
Speaker 15 But you talk about
Speaker 15 an off night. That's an off night.
Speaker 15 That's an off night. Look at me putting my foot in my mouth.
Speaker 15 I mean, you don't expect Louisville to lose, especially not with the way they look against you. Women, you go out there and you play and you lose to a cow.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 Well, god damn.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16 Oh, man.
Speaker 16 Okay.
Speaker 16
Oh, okay. Here he is joining us now, Ocho.
Today's game against Syracuse. He had four tackles, a sack and a half, and a fourth fumble.
Here he is, six-year red shirt senior, Akeem Mezador.
Speaker 16 Keem, what's going on, bro?
Speaker 16 Becky, you're mute.
Speaker 15 We got it. I'm muted.
Speaker 18 There you go.
Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah, we got you.
Speaker 18 How y'all doing?
Speaker 16 What's up, man? We're great, man. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 18 Of course. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 16 Go ahead, Ocho.
Speaker 15 Now we're going to say, man, what's good? How's everything?
Speaker 18 Everything's going well. Coming off of W, Just enjoying the rest of football tonight and heading to sleep.
Speaker 16
Hold on, hold on. Talk about.
Y'all win 38-10. You get four tackles, second half, a fourth fumble.
And you in your room, dorm room?
Speaker 18 Yeah, I'm in my apartment.
Speaker 16 In the body,
Speaker 18 I'm really about to go to sleep soon. Yeah.
Speaker 16 You finna go to sleep.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 Hold on, you down there. You down the street from me in the gables?
Speaker 18 Yeah, right here.
Speaker 15 Man, I'm in.
Speaker 15 Hey, I'm finna come pick you up after the show, man. We finna go hit booby trap, man.
Speaker 18 Nah, not me.
Speaker 16 Not me.
Speaker 16
So look, we were just discussing a little earlier. Yeah.
You had a couple of setbacks. You lose to Louisville.
You lost in overtime to SMU, and you guys bounced back.
Speaker 16 Tell me what the mindset was today coming in, playing, you know, Syracuse team that's on a little hard times, but you want to make sure they don't get on good times against us.
Speaker 18 Yeah, well, we established an identity at the beginning of the season, starting off strong, really.
Speaker 18 and then we kind of we kind of steered away from that um during smu and and louisville so just throughout the week really the mindset was get back like get that identity back work through it work hard every day and then do the same in the game and just get that get our swagger back
Speaker 16 So Mel Cap, Mel Kaiper has you very high on this draft board. So when you came into the season,
Speaker 16 what were your goals? What were your expectations coming in for your final season at the the U?
Speaker 18 Really just want to put on tape that I can ball. Really, just
Speaker 18 that's it.
Speaker 3 Yeah.
Speaker 15 And the funny thing about putting it on tape, showing that you can ball, it's about not only balling, you know, it's about doing it consistently week to week.
Speaker 15 It's about doing it regardless of who you're playing, especially against those that are also ranked high that you're probably going to have to see Sunday because, you know, obviously once you get to that next level, the level of play rises,
Speaker 15 you know,
Speaker 15 of the players you play week to week.
Speaker 15 week so you know being able to show that that's one of the reasons you know I've watched you that's one of the reasons you are ranked so high on Mel Kuyper's board so for one congratulations to that and these these next three these next three you get that you get to finish it off and put put the exclamation point on everything
Speaker 18 absolutely
Speaker 16 help me out with this
Speaker 16 from Canada to Miami Canada Miami Canada Miami how how did this happen
Speaker 18 Well,
Speaker 18 I love football. I started when I was young, played all my life, really.
Speaker 18 And
Speaker 18
a mentor of mine approached me one day, and he just explained to me how football is more serious down in the States. You know, you can go to school for free.
You can make a living out of this for real
Speaker 18 down in the States.
Speaker 18 He just put me on to college football.
Speaker 18 And then I went to multiple different schools, ended up finishing my senior year in Florida, and then recruitment blew up, and I was able to go to, I was able to come play D1 football.
Speaker 16 So you're like, hold up, wait a minute.
Speaker 16 You mean to tell me I can go to school for free, get a college education, if I'm good enough, I might eventually get paid millions and millions of dollars to do this?
Speaker 16 Where I sign up at? What I need to do.
Speaker 18 Basically.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 What part of Canada?
Speaker 18 Ottawa, Ontario.
Speaker 15
Oh, yeah, Ottawa. Okay, okay.
You know,
Speaker 15 I played in Montreal for one year. Yeah.
Speaker 15 That was fun.
Speaker 15 Canada is a beautiful place. The people are very, very, very nice.
Speaker 15 That was one of the best places I ever had to visit.
Speaker 16 So it was really dope.
Speaker 16 Has American football been everything you thought it would be? Because
Speaker 16 we heard you say your mentor told you about American football and how they take it serious. And not to say you guys, but, you know, you guys,
Speaker 16 Canada is more known for hockey. That's what you guys are known for, hockey.
Speaker 16
In in the USA, we're football. And they take it serious.
College football is taken serious. NFL football is taken even more serious.
So has it been everything you thought it would be?
Speaker 16 Has it been harder? Has it been easier? Or has it been exactly what you thought it would be?
Speaker 18 Well, growing up, the narrative was, you know, Americans, they don't play with it.
Speaker 18 They'll eat your breakfast, you know, just
Speaker 18 up here. And then,
Speaker 18 so that was my expectation the whole time. I finally got here and it it was just football is football at the end of the day.
Speaker 17 Yep. Really felt the same.
Speaker 18 So, it wasn't really a culture shock or anything for me. It's ball is ball.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16 And you're like, you know what? I just whipped this American's ass. So
Speaker 16 hey, I guess I'm pretty good, too. Y'all had this all hyped up and I'm whipping left and right.
Speaker 18 Yeah.
Speaker 16 So
Speaker 16 what do you, what are you majoring in? I'm assuming you have your degree by now. What did you major in?
Speaker 18 So I graduated with a American studies major, and then now I'm getting my master's in liberal arts.
Speaker 3 Okay.
Speaker 16 Hello, what's American studies? Is it history? I mean, what do we study in America?
Speaker 18 It's really everything. I don't know.
Speaker 16
In other words, you majored in eligibility. Let me get me something that I can stay eligible to play on this football team because my goal is to go play in the NFL.
I get it. I get it, Akeem.
Okay,
Speaker 16 you got that.
Speaker 16 Man, you said, Look here, I ain't come here to be, I ain't getting no chemistry degree. I ain't here to do no finance, no econ.
Speaker 16 I need something
Speaker 16 eligible, stay on this field.
Speaker 15
No engineering. I ain't listen, but I ain't trying to, I ain't trying to do none of that.
I'm trying to get to that next stage.
Speaker 16 Yeah, I'm trying to get to the bag.
Speaker 18 Yeah.
Speaker 16 So, uh, you, you, you come from a big family, you got you know, brothers, siblings.
Speaker 18 Yeah, I have um,
Speaker 18 I have about 10 siblings.
Speaker 18 Damn!
Speaker 16 What are you calling me?
Speaker 15 I like that.
Speaker 18 I was the youngest, but now I'm the second youngest.
Speaker 16 Okay, hold on, don't you mean you you
Speaker 16 so I'm assuming you're probably like 24, 25?
Speaker 18 24.
Speaker 16 Okay, you're 24. So, how old is the oldest?
Speaker 18 Uh, 33.
Speaker 18 Okay, what it's on, my it's on mom and dad's side.
Speaker 18 So, my pops, my pops has
Speaker 18 nah, nah, my pop, I don't know, my pops has hella kids.
Speaker 15 You say pops to have hella kids. You think he got more kids than I do?
Speaker 18 I don't know. How many do you have?
Speaker 15 13.
Speaker 16 Nah, nah, nah, nah.
Speaker 18 You're not all the way up.
Speaker 15 Okay, okay.
Speaker 15 I only have eight. I only have eight, but I mean,
Speaker 15 that's normal.
Speaker 16 So you, so how the youngest, you got one younger than you, so how old is he now?
Speaker 18 She is, she's seven now.
Speaker 16 hey
Speaker 16 yeah so 33 to 7 that's that's a that's a big that's a big gap
Speaker 18 it is
Speaker 15 that's that's that's a sign too you know that huh what's a sign
Speaker 15 you heard me on
Speaker 15 a sign of what i don't know maybe maybe maybe next year after we jump the broom and we get married is about maybe we both have kids who
Speaker 15 me and you but
Speaker 16 man
Speaker 16 i'm just saying
Speaker 16 what i look like having a kid at 58, oh, Joe.
Speaker 15 I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 15 Well, you still work, don't you?
Speaker 16 Yeah, I still work. Okay, well, oh, yeah, my plumbing works now.
Speaker 16 It ain't clogged. Yeah,
Speaker 16 but I don't know.
Speaker 15 I'm just saying, I think
Speaker 15 it's like
Speaker 15 starting over, refreshing, having something
Speaker 15 to live for.
Speaker 16 This man, hi, Keen.
Speaker 16 Hey,
Speaker 16 that's y'all's business.
Speaker 16 If I was a Keene's age once again, 24. Right, right.
Speaker 15 Did you hear what you hear what you just said? If I was a keen age, but going out on the limb and redoing that again will make you feel 24.
Speaker 16 No, it won't.
Speaker 15 It could.
Speaker 15 Thank you. See, I told you.
Speaker 16 Please.
Speaker 16 I'm barely getting around on my own, let alone chasing a toddler.
Speaker 16 Hey, Akeem, both of us can't be peeing in the bed.
Speaker 16
Hell to the dog. I'm good.
I'm good.
Speaker 16
Akeem, man. Congratulations on a big win today.
Hakeem Mezador, four tackles, second half, fourth bumble. Hey, after you, good luck the rest of the way.
Stay healthy. Good luck in the draft, man.
Speaker 18 Thank you. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 15 Hey, do me a favor.
Speaker 15
Tell Malachi, man. Tell Malachi Ocho said what's up, man.
Me and Minnie, me and Pops. We go way back in the way back down there in Dade County, man.
Speaker 18 All right, I'll tell him tomorrow.
Speaker 16 All right, love.
Speaker 16 Appreciate you, man.
Speaker 18 Appreciate you guys. Thank you.
Speaker 16 Oh, Joe, you out your mind, man.
Speaker 15 No,
Speaker 15
I think it's a good idea. I mean, listen, I mean, in the Bible, it says, be fruitful and multiply.
It had nothing to do with age. There was no age on that verse.
And I just think for me,
Speaker 15 it did something to me.
Speaker 15 It made me feel feel young again. Like French fries here with me now.
Speaker 15 You know what it's like having to run around after her at three years old?
Speaker 15 It just
Speaker 16 what you say the Bible said
Speaker 16
be fruitful and multiply. Yeah, ain't that what it says? Proverbs 2:7 says, Hey, in this economy, be broke and die.
So,
Speaker 16 no,
Speaker 16 man, you see, I didn't cutting all this stuff. I'm no, man, I ain't fooling with you, man, baby.
Speaker 15 Hey,
Speaker 15 hold on, let me see where my baby is. Hold on,
Speaker 16 man, please, Ocho, you trying to... This man...
Speaker 16 Chat, y'all been Ocho crazy.
Speaker 16 Oh, no.
Speaker 16 Oh, man.
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Speaker 16 jacoba brissette if healthy anyway which i said the cardinals have some big decisions ahead of them sheter adam shef reported that many of his sources around the nfl believe the cardinals and murray will part ways in the offseason one source in particular said the separation is imminent which means unavoidable kyla has two seasons left on a five-year 230 million dollar contract that he signed in 2022 currently he's currently slated to count fifty three point million against the salary cap next season and $43.5 million against the cap in 27.
Speaker 16 The Cardinals will take a $57.7 million in dead cap money next year if Murray is cut before June 1st.
Speaker 16 If he's cut after June, excuse me, if he's cut after June 1st, it will split the $50 million into $26, $7.2,
Speaker 16
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Ojo! Oh, my God.
Speaker 16 If you were the Cardinals.
Speaker 15 You got to catch my breath.
Speaker 16 If you're the Cardinals, what are you going to do with Kyler Murray?
Speaker 24 Hey,
Speaker 15
this is a very good one. This is a very good one.
The fact that they continue to sideline him because Jacoby Brissette has a hot hand and has him playing extremely well.
Speaker 15 And the money that he makes, listen i understand what kyla murray brings to the table i understand what he brings he's a dual threat uh he can throw he can extend plays um he's really good at at some of the things he does but there are things that jacoby brousette brings to the table with with with his lack of of ability to run with the ball but he's able to throw make all the throws because he can see.
Speaker 15 He attacks the middle of the field, something that Kyler Murray's not good at because it's it's hard for him to see He's always having to you know his ability to be able to just drop back and make some a throw that Jacoby can in the middle of the field it just It's just it's just different But again, he can he can he can make he can make plays he can make he's good.
Speaker 15 He's good at he's good at what he does, but it's not enough. I mean, have you seen how the offense looks on?
Speaker 16 Yes, I've seen it.
Speaker 16 Oh, Joe, you remember when they beat the Cowboys? I said they say, hey, Kyle, take another week. As a matter of fact, take another two, three weeks.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16 I said that in jest, but I was being dead serious because the offense at no point in time with Kyler, excuse me.
Speaker 16 At no point in time, did this offense this year with Kyler look like it did on Monday night against the Cowboys? No, no, no, no.
Speaker 15 But this is this is a scary thing, huh? We talked about Jacoby Rousette. Are you trying to say he's the quarterback for the foreseeable future?
Speaker 16 No, no.
Speaker 16 Ocho,
Speaker 16 they told you everything you needed to know when they put that clause in his contract. Right, right.
Speaker 15
Yeah, I understand that about the playing the video games. Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 I mean, but but where do you go now? So you just start over.
Speaker 16 Ocho,
Speaker 16 how many, how many division titles you won? How many playoff games you won with Kyler?
Speaker 16 You could win that many. You can win that many without him.
Speaker 15 Yeah. Hey, listen, it's been a minute with his career.
Speaker 16
Does he make you the mere fact, Ocho, think about what you just said. The number one pick of the draft.
The coach said if he was healthy, he still wouldn't be starting. Damn.
Speaker 15 Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16
Let me ask you a question. Joe Burrow come back healthy.
Is Flacco still playing?
Speaker 15 Absolutely not.
Speaker 16 Thank you.
Speaker 15 Oh, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 15 that's a that's apples and oranges now.
Speaker 16
But look, and the thing is, look, Miami, look, Miami might be in the business for a quarterback. New Orleans, damn sure in the business for a quarterback.
The Raiders need a damn quarterback.
Speaker 16
Cleveland possibly needs a quarterback. Look, there are going to be places he's going to be able to go.
The Jets. So it's not like he's not going to be able to find a home.
Speaker 15 Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 15 okay.
Speaker 15 He got to be the right fit, Uncle. It has to be the right fit for the type of quarterback he is.
Speaker 16
Yeah. You have to build a system around him, Ocho.
Yeah, you have to go. And most quarterbacks, most quarterbacks have a system built around him.
Right.
Speaker 15 Well, the system was built around him.
Speaker 16 Yes.
Speaker 15
The system was built around him. And you got the weapons.
You marvelled,
Speaker 15 man.
Speaker 16 Hey, mike bride oh cho but i told people oh
Speaker 16 he's small
Speaker 16 not just in height but in weight yeah he yeah he's compact but
Speaker 16 he's taking those hits like that man you ever seen him in person yes
Speaker 15 hey hey hey that's that's my dog he little though
Speaker 9 yes he little
Speaker 15 he could play some ball though man he's exciting he's exciting you know when when put in the right position to make make make plays he can do it He just hasn't been able to do it consistent enough.
Speaker 15
And we're able to do it consistent enough. It makes everything and everyone around you better.
It makes your team better. It gives you a chance.
And it just hasn't been what they thought it would be.
Speaker 16
Maybe he just needs to leave. He needs to go somewhere else.
You know,
Speaker 16 maybe it's a situation where
Speaker 16
they're tired of him. He's tired of them.
It just needs a clean break. It just needs a clean break.
Speaker 16
He's his own guy. You know, he has a personality that's kind of look different.
He wants to do things his way. He don't want to, you know, hey, that's how he did it.
That's how he did it.
Speaker 16 This is how I'm going to do it.
Speaker 16 But
Speaker 16 I saw this coming. And
Speaker 16 I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised.
Speaker 15 What do you think about him going back to baseball?
Speaker 16 Nah, not being away from it this long.
Speaker 16 You got to go back to the... Why would I go back to the baseball, go back to the minor leagues and make $1,200 a month? Hell to the normal.
Speaker 16 Somebody go pay him $35, $40 million to be the quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 15 So he, okay.
Speaker 16 I mean, just because he's not starting in Arizona,
Speaker 16
that doesn't mean he's not. Oh, Joe, you mean to tell me he can't play for New Orleans? He can't play for the Raiders.
He's better than what they got at the Raiders.
Speaker 16 He's better than what they got at New Orleans. Is he better than what they got at the Jets? yes or no
Speaker 15 situation matters
Speaker 15 it does what what you what you have around you is very very important
Speaker 15 very important
Speaker 16 I don't care what situation is he better than what they got in New Orleans and he's better what they got at the Raiders yeah and he's better what they got at the Jets He is he just is um
Speaker 16 I don't know about anything else. Hell, I'm tempted to say he's better than what they got in Cleveland.
Speaker 16 You don't think, oh, chat, y'all don't think he's better than Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 16 So, y'all said he ain't better than Justin Fields, he's not better than Spencer Rowland or what's a uh
Speaker 15 Tyler Shuck Shook.
Speaker 16 He's not better than Shook,
Speaker 16 he's not better than
Speaker 16 Pickett and Gino.
Speaker 16 Okay,
Speaker 16 Okay.
Speaker 16 Y'all don't think y'all don't y'all don't
Speaker 16 so somebody say he ain't better than what they got in New Orleans. He ain't better than Spencer Rattler or Tyler Schook.
Speaker 16 Okay.
Speaker 15 I'm reading my chat going fast. God damn,
Speaker 15 I'm trying to read it.
Speaker 15 Hey, somebody said I'm so unprofessional. I was never professional in the first place.
Speaker 16
Somebody talk about I'll take rattle over him. I'm not gonna lie.
You lying.
Speaker 15 Hey, they lying.
Speaker 15 They definitely lying.
Speaker 16 I get it.
Speaker 16 The man is down now, but y'all not taking no Spencer Rattler or no Tyler Schook
Speaker 16 over no Kyler Murray. You're not.
Speaker 16 So stop it.
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Speaker 16 Jayden Daniels won't be placed on IR, but there are reportedly wide range of outcomes for when he could return to the field. According to Jeremy Filer, the commanders are really playing this by ear.
Speaker 16 So this is actually a pretty complicated cause because I'm told Daniels could potentially be back in three weeks. I said
Speaker 16
two to four weeks. Anyway, after three weeks on that elbow issue, not going to need surgery.
Most times, unless something is really, really wrong,
Speaker 16 they're not doing surgery on the dislocated elbow. They're not putting injury reserve right now, but
Speaker 16 talking to the team, people as a player could return in about five to six weeks. Things here really fast, depending on when they revisit Brown to bye week, in about two and a half, three weeks.
Speaker 16 If they're sitting at three and eight, this could certainly be a factor here, and so they're really playing this one by ear. Yeah, I think, like I said, I don't, like I said, I don't know.
Speaker 16 All I could say is based it on mine, and I had to do this all the time. You think about it, I gotta have to block with it, right?
Speaker 16 You ain't gotta block with that, and it's on his non-throwing, it's on his non-throwing, yeah.
Speaker 15
But the cautious thing, the one thing that scares me, young, even though it's on his non-throwing arm, there wasn't any ligament damage. Let's say he sits out two, three weeks.
If their record is no,
Speaker 15 it doesn't improve and it's not
Speaker 15
in rushing him back. There's no point in rushing back.
And I think this will probably be his last game played this season because there's really nothing to play for at that point.
Speaker 15 You're out the playoffs. No need to risk any further injury or re-injuring or getting yourself hurt
Speaker 15 at that point. And
Speaker 15 you prepare yourself for next season.
Speaker 15 That's just me. Now, the commanders might feel differently.
Speaker 15
Being the competitor that I know Jaden Daniels is, he might feel differently regards to what our record is. I want to get out there and play.
But, hey,
Speaker 15 I don't think you should chance it, especially if there's no chance at making the playoffs.
Speaker 16 I agree.
Speaker 16 I said the same thing about your quarterback in Cincinnati.
Speaker 15 Why you keep bringing up McBangles?
Speaker 16 Because if there ain't no chance to go, why are we bringing Joe back for us?
Speaker 15 Yeah,
Speaker 15 he wouldn't come back anyway, though, though.
Speaker 15
If we don't have a chance, he wouldn't be coming back. But the fact that we have Flacco and Flacco's playing the way he's playing, we probably will be in the the playoffs.
We're probably gonna win.
Speaker 16 Oh, y'all will have bye-week. Oh, y'all, yeah, y'all just gave, y'all about to give up 42.
Speaker 3 Hey,
Speaker 16 hey, nobody gave up 42.
Speaker 15 We will see who we'll be.
Speaker 16
Y'all ain't gonna beat, y'all. Y'all not gonna, y'all not going to beat the Steelers.
Y'all not gonna beat what you call them again. Y'all not gonna beat Steelers.
Hold on.
Speaker 15 You mean the same Steelers? You mean the same Steelers we beat Sunday Thursday night or Sunday night? That same Steelers?
Speaker 16 You're not gonna do it again, though.
Speaker 15 Okay.
Speaker 16 Not gonna happen. Not gonna happen.
Speaker 16 Okay. Definitely not gonna be Lamar and the Ravens.
Speaker 16 How you know?
Speaker 16 Y'all couldn't beat them when they had Lamar. And y'all had Joe.
Speaker 15 You just listen, it's the NFL.
Speaker 15
It's Sunday. Any given Sunday.
Ain't no telling what's gonna happen.
Speaker 16
So it don't matter when y'all play. You're right.
Any given Sunday, Saturday, or Thursday, y'all could lose.
Speaker 16 You do most of the time.
Speaker 18 All right.
Speaker 15 Keep that same energy.
Speaker 16 Got it.
Speaker 15 Keep that same energy.
Speaker 16 Ojo, leave us alone, man. Hey, hey, I'm good.
Speaker 15
I'm good. I'm good.
I'm good. Let me see.
I saw how the Ravens look coming out the back. I saw how the Ravens, the Ravens look good coming out at the back.
Speaker 15 Lamar Jackson back from injury after two, three weeks down, came out on fire. So how do you think we're going to come out out the back?
Speaker 15 How do you think Flacco and Uno and Chase and Chase Brown, how do you think we're going to look coming out the back?
Speaker 15
The defense is going to improve exponentially. That's a big word for me.
Exponentially. I can't even spell that, but I can say that.
I know.
Speaker 16 But guess what, Ocho?
Speaker 16
Go back and look at how Chicago is moving y'all guys off the ball. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Speaker 15
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, the game is one that lost up front.
It's one in the trenches.
Speaker 16 That was ugly, Ocho.
Speaker 16 That was ugly.
Speaker 15 It was.
Speaker 16 Darvin Ham says the Lakers had to put their roster, had to gut their roster for Russell Westbrook. And that's hard to compete with
Speaker 16 so many lower level role players. But in terms of Russ Mann, you know, it was a difficult situation because to get a player like that, you pretty much have to gut your team.
Speaker 16 And that's essentially what happened.
Speaker 16 In order to get Russ on the Lakers, they had to part ways with Caruso, KCP, Kyle Kuzman, and a lot of other players they weren't able to keep because the money wasn't there.
Speaker 16 Now you've got essentially three max super max players on your roster. And you know, now you've got to go after lower level players who God blessed them.
Speaker 16 They're capable players, but to be elite and win a championship in our league, you have to be elite and have elite groups. A lot of times, that financial constraints just won't allow you to do that.
Speaker 15 Yeah,
Speaker 15 I just came to understanding that.
Speaker 15 I just came to having a better understanding of that, especially when it comes to basketball, how you bench, you know, having it, having a deep bench and being able to have some of your starters sit down and still not miss a beat, and still not miss any momentum, you know,
Speaker 15 when they're not in the game. I think about the bench,
Speaker 15 Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 15 They have an unbelievable bench.
Speaker 15 If I'm not mistaken, they might have the best bench in the league.
Speaker 15 Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 16 They do.
Speaker 15
Yeah, and I mean, like, so I understand, and I didn't view it like that. I didn't understand it.
I didn't understand why people were complaining about getting Westbrook.
Speaker 15 You know, I'm thinking, oh, hell,
Speaker 15
they finna run the table. Oh, it's finna be crazy.
And then, damn, the bench is horrible. The supporting cast wasn't good enough to carry the load when all the starters weren't in.
Speaker 15 Or you always had to keep one of,
Speaker 15 said, top three players in the game
Speaker 15 at some point.
Speaker 16 I didn't know that. I forgot
Speaker 15 to think that much.
Speaker 16 Nobody.
Speaker 16
thought Russ would work with LeBron in L.A. except the Lakers.
You won't find one player. In order for Russ to work, Russ needs the ball, and you need to build
Speaker 16 the team around him.
Speaker 16 This is not to take anything away from Russ. Russ is
Speaker 16
a top 75 player all time. He's an MVP, a two-time all-star, all-NBA.
But he wasn't good with the Lakers. And it's okay to say that.
Speaker 16 Him and Braun just wasn't going to work because neither one is really... LeBron
Speaker 16 was better off the ball than Russ.
Speaker 3 Right.
Speaker 16 Russ is not a catch and shoot guy. And so when you need
Speaker 16
with LeBron, LeBron was going to be the primary ball handler. You need somebody that can catch and shoot.
That's why he would have been so, that's why Clay Thompson would have been great.
Speaker 16 That's why when you see him play with Steph, it's so great because those guys can catch and shoot. That's not what Russ is.
Speaker 16
Russ is a guy that needs the ball and he needs to be able to get downhill. Well, if LeBron's got the ball, how is he going to get downhill? It's okay, chat.
This is not a knock on Russ.
Speaker 16
And then, when you say this, this is not taking away anything that he's ever accomplished. He wasn't good with the Lakers.
Y'all know that.
Speaker 16
But I guess because he's from LA and he does great in the community and he is a solid teammate. Nobody has anything bad to say about Russ.
He just wasn't good with the Lakers. It's okay.
Speaker 16 You see, when he was
Speaker 16 in OKC after
Speaker 16 KD left, they built a team around him.
Speaker 16 That's what you need. It's okay.
Speaker 16 Darvin, and please stop talking about it, bro.
Speaker 16
For whatever reason, it didn't work. It didn't work with you.
It didn't work with Russ.
Speaker 16
It didn't work. It's okay.
It's okay to move on.
Speaker 15 Yeah,
Speaker 15 somebody probably asked him the question.
Speaker 16 Yeah, but
Speaker 16
just like, hey, guys, look, I enjoyed enjoyed my time there. I understood the assignment.
When you got a team and you got LeBron James and you got Anthony Davis,
Speaker 16 no matter who else is on that team, championships is what expected.
Speaker 16
I don't get why they did that. I don't get why they broke that team up, why they wouldn't re-sign Caruso, where they left all their perimeter defenders, they let that go.
It's the same thing now.
Speaker 16 The Lakers are not a good defensive team.
Speaker 16 They're not.
Speaker 16 But we got to stop this notion. And it's not bagging on Russ.
Speaker 16 But Russ needs a system. Russ needs to build a system that's conducive for him.
Speaker 16 And that's okay.
Speaker 16 It's just.
Speaker 16 They just, man, they just.
Speaker 15 He's having a good time over there in Sacramento now.
Speaker 16 Yes. But they're not going to win.
Speaker 16 Sacramento have no championship aspirations.
Speaker 3 No.
Speaker 16 He's not winning no championship. And it's okay.
Speaker 16 It's okay.
Speaker 15 Got me thinking about my times.
Speaker 16 Huh? Russ, look, Russ played. Russ, look, the one thing you can say about Russ.
Speaker 16
He's not going to cheat you with effort. He's going to give you everything he got.
He's going to play hurt. He's going to play hard.
Speaker 16 But
Speaker 16 this notion that
Speaker 16 Russ balled out in LA, he didn't.
Speaker 16 The pieces didn't fit.
Speaker 16 The pieces just didn't fit.
Speaker 16 Him and LeBron was never going to work. The only people that thought it was going to work was probably Plinka and LeBron.
Speaker 16 Because I'm sure LeBron had something to do with this. He did.
Speaker 16 He did.
Speaker 16 But it didn't work.
Speaker 16 It's not the first time. That's not the first situation that's been in the NBA and it didn't work.
Speaker 16 And that's okay.
Speaker 16
It's not the last situation that won't work. But Darwin needs to move on with this, man.
It's just...
Speaker 16 Damn.
Speaker 16 I don't know what he hopes to accomplish by revisiting this.
Speaker 16 SGA said he wasn't a fan of how the Thunder won the title, honestly speaking. I didn't like the way we won the title, if that makes sense.
Speaker 16 I don't think we won an NBA championship playing our best basketball. We were definitely more dominant in the regular season than the postseason.
Speaker 16 And for me, as well, as a player, I don't think that was good in the postseason
Speaker 16 as I was in the regular season.
Speaker 15 I mean, the game is different in the postseason, too, huh? It is.
Speaker 16
They don't let you get up and down. Yeah, they don't.
You play better teams in a series. It's not, you know, they get seven games to try to figure you out.
Speaker 16 It's not like, okay, you play Sacramento, then you're on to San Antonio, then you got the Clippers. Okay, guess what? We got a home, and we got a back-to-back.
Speaker 16 We got the Clippers one night, we got the Lakers the next night. No, you got that one opponent, and you got it, you know, because they went seven games with the Nuggets, they went seven games
Speaker 16 with the
Speaker 16 Pacers, yeah. And Aaron Gordon, if Aaron Gordon doesn't hurt his hamstring in that game seven, what happens?
Speaker 15 It changes everything, okay.
Speaker 16 If Halliburton doesn't tear his Achilles in games in game seven, what happens?
Speaker 16 Changes everything, I get it, but they look, and right now they're doing, I think they lost one game, game, and they're doing this without J-Dub.
Speaker 16 So
Speaker 16
I like his mentality. I like his mindset.
It's like, I want to be dominant. I want to be dominant in the postseason like I was in the regular season.
Speaker 16
Even though there were spurs that he was sensational, but they won. And that's what you need.
You need your best player to say, you know what, I ain't satisfied.
Speaker 16
And I don't want anybody else to get satisfied. I don't want anybody else to get comfortable.
Yeah, we won a championship, but I ain't here to just win one.
Speaker 15 Multiple.
Speaker 16 Multiple, Multiple.
Speaker 16 And now they got Hartenstein had 33 and 19 last night.
Speaker 16 Well, if you're getting 33 and 19 from Hartenstein, you're not beating them.
Speaker 16 You're not beating him.
Speaker 15 Hartenstein is a center. He's the five, right?
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 That's crazy, man.
Speaker 16 J-Dub hadn't played yet.
Speaker 15 When J-Dubb does play, he's the four, right?
Speaker 16 J-Dub is a two.
Speaker 15 That's all?
Speaker 16 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 16
Him and look. I mean, Lou Dort is like really the two, but he's really a two.
He plays a small forward. Oh, okay.
Speaker 16 Because they go Hardenstein, they go Chet, they go J-Dub, they go Lou Dort, they go Shea.
Speaker 3 Adam, Aiden, oh,
Speaker 15 what, in person? But them boys so tall, man. Yeah.
Speaker 3 God damn.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16 But
Speaker 16
I like Shay's mentality. I like his attitude.
I like the fact that, like, yeah, we won, but I ain't happy how we won.
Speaker 15 Nah.
Speaker 15 Man, I should have been a hooper, man.
Speaker 16 An anonymous scout, oh, y'all, anonymous scouts says LaMelo Ball doesn't take basketball seriously. Yes, he's talented, but he doesn't take basketball serious enough.
Speaker 16 Another West Scout said it's hard to build a winner with him because of how he plays and the liberties he takes for himself when he plays.
Speaker 16 So because
Speaker 15 I don't know because if he plays the game with Flair,
Speaker 15 he plays the game a little bit more free than others.
Speaker 16 Tell me the person that's in the history of the game that's what played with Flair and won
Speaker 16 Jordan. Magic?
Speaker 15 Jordan? Magic?
Speaker 16 Kobe?
Speaker 16
That stuff he's doing, and they ain't play like that. No, you look at elevating above the rim.
Now, magic with the passes and stuff like that, but they didn't play like that.
Speaker 16 I mean, he tried all kinds of stuff on the court.
Speaker 16 Step back, shooting 32-footers.
Speaker 15
Oh, but they be going in, huh? Hey, they be going in. Hey, he'd be going.
Hey, listen,
Speaker 15
he's exciting to watch. He's exciting to watch.
Now, his style of play might not be that of what NBA scouts would like, you know, from their point guard or from the person that's handling the ball.
Speaker 15
But I'll tell you one thing, as a fan of the game, he's exciting to watch. He's the type of player that's going to put buttons.
He's going to put butts in the seat.
Speaker 15
Now, maybe you want to tell him to tone it down. Jason Williams was the same way.
White chocolate. White chocolate was the same way with that goddamn ball.
Speaker 15
Unbelievable, especially with the passes and stuff. And if I'm not mistaken, I heard the stories about once he was here with the Miami Heat.
It was like, hey, man, you got to cut all that out.
Speaker 16 No, no, no.
Speaker 16 You got to cut.
Speaker 15 Yeah, you got to cut all that out. But listen, if they don't want him where he's at, sit him on down and hit us then.
Speaker 16 And plus, he don't, plus, he and Charlotte. Yeah.
Speaker 16 People say, well, Magic had a flare. So which player is Lamello playing with that's Kareem
Speaker 16 or James Worthy?
Speaker 3 Right.
Speaker 16
or Bob McAdoo or Jamal Wilkes or Michael Cooper. So I just want to dip which one of those guys? Yeah.
So maybe it has something to do with him being in Charlotte.
Speaker 15 Yeah.
Speaker 15
You take him out of the equation. Who you going to watch? No disrespect.
Nobody.
Speaker 15 My point exactly.
Speaker 3 Nobody.
Speaker 15
My point exactly. And he's not even the type of player that plays above the rim.
So the fact that he brings all those other qualities to his game that makes it fun to come watch and sit down,
Speaker 15 listen, that lets lets you know how good he is.
Speaker 16 He's a phenomenal talent, but he don't play defense.
Speaker 16
So now you're going to turn the ball over. And now you're not going to play defense? Yeah.
Yeah,
Speaker 15 you minimize those turnovers.
Speaker 15 You'll be all right.
Speaker 16 You'll be all right.
Speaker 16 It's like
Speaker 16 you look at the team that won. You look at OKC.
Speaker 16 They got like six, seven guys that play defense. So they're never going to be on the court without
Speaker 16 three solid defenders.
Speaker 15 So, yeah.
Speaker 16
You know, you got Chet defending the paint. You got Lou Dorr on ball.
You got Jay Will on ball. You got a,
Speaker 16 you got Case
Speaker 16 Caruso.
Speaker 16 I mean, you just got guy. They just run guy after guy after guy after guy at you.
Speaker 15 And you know what, also, when I think about it, when it comes to players that are heavily dominant
Speaker 15 on the offensive side of the ball, for what they lack on defense, they make up on offense in other areas. In other areas,
Speaker 15 you get some players that are kind of balancing both, but they're not as good in the offensive end.
Speaker 16
I think the thing is, Ocho, but here's the problem that you run into. Because now you get in a nip and tuck game.
If you go watch,
Speaker 16 what did
Speaker 16
Minnesota do to keep Luca in the pick and roll? As great as he is offense, we want you on defense now. Right.
What you're going to do. And they get whatever they want.
They get a layup.
Speaker 16
They get a foul. They get an easy jumper.
See, that's the problem that you run into. Because at some point in time now, you ain't going to just blow people out.
Speaker 25 No.
Speaker 16 So,
Speaker 16 you can't have three, four guys on the court that don't play defense.
Speaker 16 Yeah, that's true. You can't.
Speaker 16 Because in a close ball game,
Speaker 16 they're going to get whatever shot they want.
Speaker 16 But unfortunately, I don't know.
Speaker 16 Carolina not going to, I mean, Charlotte's not going to trade him.
Speaker 15 Trade him if you want to.
Speaker 15 I tell you, I think he's the only guy you can come to see.
Speaker 16 Trade him.
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Speaker 18 Oh, so hey,
Speaker 15 they play in Berlin tomorrow, huh?
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 So the game come on what? 6.30? 6.30, 7.30. Which one?
Speaker 16 Probably 9.
Speaker 16 No, it'll be 9 your time, right?
Speaker 16
9.30. Yeah, 9.30 your time.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'll catch it the second half.
Speaker 16 You ain't getting up. Hell no.
Speaker 16 I'll catch it the second half.
Speaker 15 I'm trying to think.
Speaker 16
Tyler's finally got on his clock. He likes, oh, they set the clocks back on.
Yeah, they did.
Speaker 16
James Cook, more than 87 yards rushing against the Dolphins. Moore.
Moore. Yeah.
Oh, Alex. How many receptions? You going to have four receptions, Alec Pierce?
Speaker 15
Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course.
Of course.
Speaker 16 How many catches he got?
Speaker 15 He's going to get more than four because they're not going to be able to get it.
Speaker 16 Nah, nah.
Speaker 15 They just got rid of
Speaker 16 AD Mitchell.
Speaker 15 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So those targets are going to
Speaker 15 go to Pierce and Pittman.
Speaker 15 Last week he had six.
Speaker 16 Oh, yeah, okay. We're going more.
Speaker 16 James Cook, oh, he's getting more than 87 against the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 Yeah.
Speaker 16 Rico Dowdle, more than 110 total yards, rushing and receivers versus the Saints.
Speaker 15 Man, anything with Rico Dottle in it is up.
Speaker 16 Yep, I like that. Moore.
Speaker 16 Isaiah likely, more than three receptions.
Speaker 16 He needs to have three receptions or more against the Vikings.
Speaker 3 Of course.
Speaker 15 That's it.
Speaker 16
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All right, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Time for our final segment of the evening.
It's time for Q and A.
Speaker 16 Oreo Hoodlum, Ryan Williams need to transfer to Old Miss.
Speaker 15 Absolutely not.
Speaker 15 He'll be all right. He's going to be all right.
Speaker 16 JJ Carver, Johnny on here looking like weekend at Bernie's.
Speaker 16 Thomas Beatty, two questions for you guys. Where does Omar Cooper's catch stack up with other pass catchers in both college and the NFL? And second, do you see any IU players making it to the NFL?
Speaker 16 Well, the quarterback is a high-rated prospect.
Speaker 16 A lot of people say he might be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 16 Yeah. Look, Indiana, I mean, I'm trying to think of top Indiana players.
Speaker 16
Only one I can really think of off the top of my head is Anthony Thompson. He came out with me as a running back.
You know any Indiana players, football players?
Speaker 15 Where did Antoine Randall L go?
Speaker 16 I think he might have went down.
Speaker 3 Antoine Randall L.
Speaker 15 I might be wrong. I'm not sure.
Speaker 15 I might be wrong, but I thought it might have been Indiana. I could be wrong.
Speaker 16 He might have did.
Speaker 15 I can't remember. I just.
Speaker 16 I know.
Speaker 16
My year, Anthony Thompson came out. He didn't go to Indiana.
Yeah,
Speaker 16 Antoine Randallel did go to you.
Speaker 15 Okay, yeah,
Speaker 15 that's the only person I remember.
Speaker 16
That's not what they're known for. But that was an unbelievable catch.
Given the circumstances, given what was needed, and the DB was trying to push him out of bounds,
Speaker 16
and for him to get a foot down. That was dope.
That was dope. Hey, quarterback said, I'm going to put it right up under the goalpost.
You go get it.
Speaker 16 And he went and got it.
Speaker 15 That was dope. And they also had.
Speaker 16
Nah, y'all don't get no Pennix Jr. Pennix Jr.
graduated from what you call him, Washington.
Speaker 16 Don't do that. People trying to clap.
Speaker 16 Because
Speaker 16
Ohio State, don't get Jamison Williams. Ohio State, don't get Joe Burrow.
Because that's not where he finished his career at.
Speaker 15 Thank you.
Speaker 16 Marquez Duffy, McDuffie said, Ocho Ash, what are your three favorite college football catches ever?
Speaker 15 Ooh, ever?
Speaker 15 Man, please. That's hard.
Speaker 15 I wonder if I still need some of the TCU.
Speaker 16 Ever?
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 That's difficult.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16 You should have came about better. Ask about the NFL, man.
Speaker 15 Yeah,
Speaker 15 NFL, I see, it's some really good Chris Carter, Brandon Lloyd,
Speaker 16
Chris Carter, Brandon Larry. Oh, any catch Brandon Lloyd made.
Hey.
Speaker 16 People don't forgot about Brett. Can you imagine Brandon Lloyd with the gloves today, Ocho? Not that you?
Speaker 15 Man, please.
Speaker 16 Man, please.
Speaker 16
People think Fitz is CC, but Brandon Lloyd making catches. I'm like, this dude catching, I'm talking about the ball on the ground.
I mean, he catching the ball on the ground like this. Yeah.
Speaker 15 Yeah, he was nice. Brandon was nice, boy.
Speaker 16 Oh, and one, oh, he put one hand, like catching it like this here,
Speaker 15
he got multiple one hands, though. He does.
Multiple.
Speaker 16
And I got an opportunity to see him in Denver a lot. You know, in the 49ers.
Yeah.
Speaker 16 Man, he was.
Speaker 16
Alec B, thank you, Uncle Ocho, for giving us the best podcast to watch and listen to. Alex, thank you for watching.
Tino Davis, we need Jeremiah Smith on the show.
Speaker 16 Well, if you know how we can get in contact with him, we'd absolutely love to have him on the show.
Speaker 15 I can call him, Uncle.
Speaker 16
Nick Mars, Ocho talk about running for pres, fixing the debt, and no government shutdown, been on two years. Child, please.
I agree.
Speaker 15 Hey,
Speaker 15 you heard what he said? I've been on you two years, but why wouldn't we be shut down?
Speaker 15 We wouldn't be shut down because of the very fact that I want to make sure everything stays up and running the correct way.
Speaker 16 Well, you didn't realize if we was up and running short the way you know the premium is about to go up, right? Yeah.
Speaker 16 Family of Ford is paying about $500 in pre-insurance per month, about to be $2,000 a month. You know what they're doing.
Speaker 15 You know, listen, they know what they're doing. This is all the game, huh? This is always, this is all a part of the plan.
Speaker 15
I don't want to make this a political podcast. I could get into that, but I don't want to get into that.
I don't, people don't need to see that side of me because
Speaker 15 that's really not my thing.
Speaker 15 That's not my thing, but I just know what they're doing.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16 True and infamous 73. If you're, if you're a Laker fan and the Lakers lost, you can't say basket or ball.
Speaker 16 I didn't see the game tonight. Did they lose?
Speaker 15
Yep. So that means you can't say basket or ball.
Matter of fact, you can't see any part that starts.
Speaker 16 We ain't even talking basketball right now. It's football season.
Speaker 16 Go watch tape before y'all speak on J-Rod. Matter of fact, go watch TT
Speaker 16
Texas Takes defense. The fuck Johnny talked about nobody pop out on tape.
Top five defense.
Speaker 16 Well, you know what? You know, the thing is, they're going to have to make a decision here in the next
Speaker 16 month.
Speaker 15 Yeah.
Speaker 16 I just don't know. Like I said, a defensive player winning that award.
Speaker 16 And now is as good a time as any to win it because ain't nobody having a Joe Burrow type season. Ain't nobody having a Barry Sanders tag season.
Speaker 16 Ain't nobody having a Devontae Smith type season or a Travis.
Speaker 15 I don't think people understand how special you have to be as a defensive player in college to be considered for a Heisman.
Speaker 15 Just because he's saying people popping out on film, because collectively, as a whole, you guys have a good defense, it's always one person, and that one person always rises to the cage in regards to who you're playing consistently, week in and week out, not playing a great as a whole, as a unit.
Speaker 15
We're talking about one individual, yeah, all over the place, popping out on film, no matter who the F they playing. There's a huge difference in that.
That is not in college football today, It's not.
Speaker 15 Remember when LeVar Arrington was playing?
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 Julius Peppers?
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 I mean,
Speaker 15 like,
Speaker 15
that type of popping out every week. Oh, I got to watch this MF play.
I got to turn the TV on because so-and-so is playing today. Man, ain't nothing like that out there on defense.
Speaker 16 I mean, think about it, OJo.
Speaker 16 In the 100-plus-year history of the NFL, there have been two defensive guys to win MVP as a defensive player. Lawrence Taylor and Alan Page.
Speaker 16 Now,
Speaker 16
two guys have won. Charles Woodson was a primarily defensive player.
Travis Hunter,
Speaker 16 back and forth. So they've been having the Heisman Trophy since, what, 1936?
Speaker 3 Mm-hmm.
Speaker 16
I think that's the poll. I think Jay Berwanger was the first one to win the award.
In 36, I think that's also the poll era.
Speaker 16 35.
Speaker 16 Jay Berwanger.
Speaker 16
So, how many defensive players? And so, now you say, now, after all these guys, Derek Thomas with 25 sacks, he didn't win it. Teddy Brewski had 20-plus sacks.
He didn't win it.
Speaker 15 Yeah.
Speaker 16
Terrell Suggs had 24 sacks. He didn't win it.
Do you know what the Heisman Trophy was originally called?
Speaker 16 In 1935, it was called the Downtown Athletic Club Award. In 36, they renamed it to the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 16
Damn. Yeah, that would have been a great question.
It would have.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 16
I just know it's at the I don't even think it's at the downtown athletes. Is it still at the downtown athletic club? They still hold it there.
I think that was.
Speaker 16 Look, like I said, it's just like it's just so hard for a defensive player to win that award
Speaker 16 when the game has been catered to so much offense.
Speaker 15 But you know what, even though the game has been catered to the offense that's how you have to be that special as a defensive player to even be considered to win it though and it's still it's still possible
Speaker 15 okay
Speaker 16 it's still it's still possible it's still possible tj watt had 22 and a half sacks did he win the award absolutely not michael strahan had 22 and a half sacks did he win the award absolutely it's hard for a primarily defensive player it's a linebacker
Speaker 16
A middle, if you maybe an edge rusher, he gets 25, 30 sacks Ocho. Okay.
Yeah. Now we're on to something.
Now you got to hope a quarterback don't throw for 5,050 touchdowns.
Speaker 16 It's
Speaker 16 if a defensive player was going to win, it'd probably be the year to win it, Ocho, because they really, nobody's just like, hey, look at me, look at me, look at me.
Speaker 16 There are really no offensive guys there like that.
Speaker 15 Yeah.
Speaker 16 Who's to say Jeremiah Smith might get a trip to
Speaker 16 New York?
Speaker 16 I'm not so sure he's not the best player in the country.
Speaker 15 Listen, if he can come out this year, he'll be number one.
Speaker 16 Hell, he could have came out last year. He might have been a top three.
Speaker 15 He might have been number one. Yeah.
Speaker 15 Well,
Speaker 3 yeah.
Speaker 3 Hey, hold on. Now that I think about it,
Speaker 15 they need to change that rule, man, because he should be coming out this year.
Speaker 15 The fact that he even has...
Speaker 16 They should have traded for Adrian Peterson or Herschel Walker. Because they damn sure could have came out as freshmen.
Speaker 15 Oh.
Speaker 15 well, they were different, man.
Speaker 16 Yeah.
Speaker 15 And it was grown men amongst boys.
Speaker 16
But you know what? At least he gets to make four or five million dollars a year. He got a little something to put in his pocket.
You know,
Speaker 16 yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, he taking out a big, he probably got a $20 million Lawyers of London, maybe even more.
Speaker 16 Lords of London policy.
Speaker 15 He's going to be nice, man.
Speaker 16
He'll be all right. He's going to be nice.
Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.
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Speaker 15 Hey, matter of fact, I know we're ending the show. Goddamn, like, we started the show.
Speaker 15 I'm peeking down at my phone while we're talking college football, trying to see the goddamn Ericsson Lubin and Virgil Ortiz fight. Man, fight lasted goddamn one
Speaker 15 in and out, fight was over. Ortiz got him out of there, and got him out of there, got him out of there,
Speaker 15 got him out of there. So, him now, not boots, boots, and Ortiz at some point are gonna fight, and that might be the biggest fight in a long time
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Speaker 16 Again, we want to thank Johnny for joining us and Akeem Mezzador, who had an outstanding night tonight for the UM as they beat Syracuse. He had four tackles, a sack and a half.
Speaker 16 So he played extremely well. Alabama beats LSU by the score of 20-9.
Speaker 16 Texas AM beat Missouri 38-17.
Speaker 16 Fernando Mendoza threw a touchdown pass with 36 seconds left on the clock as they rally to beat Penn State 27-24.
Speaker 16 The number 16 Vanderbilt Commodores won in overtime, keep their slim playoff hopes alive by the score of 45-38 over Auburn.
Speaker 16 Gunnar Stockton threw three touchdown passes as the number five Georgia Bulldogs beat Mississippi State Bulldogs by the score of 41-21.
Speaker 16 And Texas Tech, number eight Texas Tech, beat number seven BYU 29-7 to remain unbeaten and strengthen their push for the college playoffs. And Oregon on a field goal
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with three seconds left on the clock by Atticus Sappington of 39 yards went 18 to 16. Thank you guys for joining us tonight.
We'll see you tomorrow after the game. It's Green Bay and Philly, right?
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