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Speaker 11 Ocho, the Ravens beat the Browns by the score of 23-16.

Speaker 11 But

Speaker 11 what overshadowed that was Shadur Sanders getting his first taste of NFL

Speaker 11 action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ball game, excuse me, and did not return.
Shadur came in.

Speaker 11 Shadur's stats was 4 of 16, 47 yards, zero touchdown, and interception.

Speaker 11 He had a couple of opportunities late in the ball game. He had a couple of drops.
He had a couple of drops. Look, and

Speaker 11 listening to...

Speaker 11 I found it on social media. For Kevin Stafansky to say the first time that Shadura Sanders had taken a snap with the starters, with the ones, was in this game is malpractice.

Speaker 11 At no point in time, and this is what I said, Ocho. So at no point in time, so you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt.
He can't possibly bang a knee, bang a shoulder, get concussion.

Speaker 11 There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get Shadur like. One reps with the ones, two reps with the ones.
I ain't saying split it 50-50. I understand that.

Speaker 11 But even when when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two.

Speaker 11 Just in case.

Speaker 11 So for Shador Sanders, the here we are in week 11. The man got drafted in May.
And at no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones. It's very, very disappointing.

Speaker 10 You know, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 10 Not only is it disappointing, right? And a lot of people say, hey, listen, you and Unc, you were screaming for Shador to start. You want him to get in there and look at, look at his stat line.

Speaker 10 Look at, look at what he did. Well, obviously,

Speaker 10 I'm confused, and I'm trying to understand.

Speaker 10 This ain't maddening.

Speaker 10 You don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen, especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones.

Speaker 10 When it comes to the play calling, when it comes to the play calling, what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones?

Speaker 10 You don't know what he does well, what he doesn't done, what he, you don't know what he does well.

Speaker 10 You don't know what he, what, what he, what he's not going to be good at because there's, there, there's, there's no chemistry. There's no chemistry.

Speaker 10 So you're just out there calling plays all willy-nilly, not knowing how the offense can run. And I know as a quarterback, you're supposed to be, you're supposed to be prepared.

Speaker 10 You're supposed to know, you know, if the opportunity presents itself, you got to be able to go in there and do what you can do.

Speaker 10 But like, come on, no, no reps at all. Let me ask you a question.
No reps up?

Speaker 11 No, but let me ask you this.

Speaker 11 Normally on Saturday

Speaker 11 or Sunday morning, Dylan Gabriel will tell Stefansky these plays. These things that I really like.

Speaker 10 Every quarterback does that. Every quarterback does that, huh?

Speaker 11 Every quarterback does that. So do you think he had any idea of the plays that Shadur likes? No.

Speaker 11 Or he's just going to call plays just, oh, here's my play sheet that I'm calling. Because

Speaker 11 you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes,

Speaker 11 what he's good at, what you know he's good at. You don't even know what Shadur is good at.

Speaker 11 Now, it's going to be very interesting. Look at this play.
Now,

Speaker 11 you got three guys blocking one guy, and somebody about to come in and hit Shadur damn this round.

Speaker 11 Now, what should have happened? It was a redirect. You slide the line to the left.

Speaker 11 And now, guess what? You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around, and now you're protected. But hey,

Speaker 11 the old line is going to have to make calls until Shadur gets get

Speaker 11 into the fame. He's not there right now to say, no, no, no, no, no.
I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect.
Let's liz this. Let's liz this.
Let's loosey this.

Speaker 11 Now we're going to slide the line to the left. Now we're going to take, hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right.
Why the hell we got three guys?

Speaker 11 And now we got a guy for to come in here and try to put his helmet up under Shadur's chin.

Speaker 11 So it's going to be very interesting this week.

Speaker 11 I'm sure Gabriel is going to be in protocol. We'll see if Shadur is going to get the start against.
I think they play the Raiders, Rocho. I think they play the Raiders.

Speaker 11 We'll see if he gets the start against the Raiders. And he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps, all the ones, and

Speaker 11 Stefanski will have an idea what he likes and will call plays accordingly.

Speaker 10 And honestly, it's very important too

Speaker 10 for Stefanski to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do because it allows you to call plays and put them in advantageous situations for you.

Speaker 10 It just makes your job easier. It just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is able to run smooth.
I mean, it's really easy.

Speaker 10 It's not about Dylan Gabriel. It's not about Shador Sanders.
It's about putting our players in positions. for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win.

Speaker 10 That's all.

Speaker 11 I'll give you a prime example, Ocho. When I wasn't the starter, my first couple years, they would put me in the game.
But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we're going to run.

Speaker 11 Because they say, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to make a play.

Speaker 11 They got a small cornerback. We're going to throw a fade.
I don't care what the coverage is.

Speaker 11 We're expecting you to go up over top of it. Okay, in this situation, we're going to bump this coverage.

Speaker 11 If they bump with it, that means this man coverage, you're going to be one-on-one inside level, linebacker with inside leverage. So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away.
So I knew.

Speaker 11 Now, if I'm just like all of a sudden going the game and they're not calling plays for me, I just got, I just, with now,

Speaker 11 quarterbacks, always, you go listen to Brady, you go listen to Manny, go listen to Breathe and any Big Ben, any of these quarterbacks.

Speaker 11 They say, me and the offensive coordinator, we went over it that the Saturday night or

Speaker 11 day of the game. This is what I really like.
Normally it's Saturday night. And you come and say, okay, so what do you like? So Brady and Manny would say, I got these, well, Manny called his own thing.

Speaker 11 So let's do Brady, Brees, and all these other guys. It's like, this is what I like.
This is what I like in this 31 to 3, 33 to 5, 35 to 7. This is what I really, really like.

Speaker 11 Now, this is what I like, A, in this area of the field. This is what I like in the red zone.

Speaker 11 This is what I like out of this personnel because I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to get this coverage, which gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage.

Speaker 11 So, all that's going through the mind. But for a quarterback, Ocho,

Speaker 11 not to get no reps, I'm talking about none. He said it.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 See, and I was like, what? I mean, listen to Mary Kay Cabinet and listen to people that they're saying Shadur is not getting any reps. As a matter of fact, Bailey, it'll be very interesting.

Speaker 11 And somebody should have asked him, well, let me ask you this, Coach Strafansky. Did Bailey Zappi get any reps with the ones?

Speaker 11 Because it makes no sense. If Bailey Zappi is getting reps with the ones, then why would you put Shadur in that situation? Why not have Bailey Zappi as two?

Speaker 10 Yeah, and it's funny. And you know what?

Speaker 10 The piggyback off what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before games start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do.

Speaker 10 For one, especially early in the game to get them in the rhythm. And you mentioned Brady.
And hell, I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Speaker 10 I've seen it the night before in the hotel on Saturdays before when the meeting ends. Bill O'Brien, the receiver, and the Tom Brady sit there, they go over the plays that he likes.

Speaker 10 And Bill O'Brien will run off plays. He'll call out plays and Brady, you know what? I don't, I don't like that one.
You know what? Let's save that one

Speaker 10 for later on the game in a certain situation when we may need it. And he had those first, those first 15 plays that he really, really likes and he's comfortable with.

Speaker 10 And that's what they would go with.

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's how it should be.

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Speaker 11 Because at the end of the day, you got to run what the quarterbacks feel comfortable with. You got to set your ego aside.
Sometimes, you know, we want to bring our ego to the party.

Speaker 11 But it's not your party. So you don't get to dress how you want to.
We said this is an 80 themes party.

Speaker 11 Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without an afro and some platform shoes on those choice and bell balls. You know what I'm saying? This is not your party.

Speaker 11 So you, you, you, you call plays accordingly, because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable when you call that.

Speaker 11 He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense if you call that. I'm glad, like I said, hopefully, um, Dylan Gabriel's okay.
First of all, let's start with that because

Speaker 11 I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens.
Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity.

Speaker 11 That's operating out his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most of it.
I got my opportunity. Someone went down and I made the most of it.
But, you know,

Speaker 11 in order to seem like in order for Shadur to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get deaned. Hopefully he's okay.
Maybe he comes back. Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to square one, Ocho.

Speaker 11 Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we we're moving forward we don't know we'll see how this thing plays out uh if he's still in protocol but i think now that

Speaker 11 you um you're in a situation

Speaker 11 where

Speaker 11 there's a great chance that i believe there's a greater than 50 chance that you're gonna start

Speaker 10 because i don't care what anybody says you pair you prepare differently as a starter than you do backup you just not not only do you prepare differently from the starter to the backup but the play calling changes significantly The play calling completely changes.

Speaker 10 Completely different game plan depending on who you have at quarterback based on their skill sets and what they're able to do.

Speaker 11 I totally agree. But,

Speaker 11 you know, things are a lot faster now in the NFL than they are in college. Guys move faster.

Speaker 11 You got to throw guys open. I like that guy.
He threw the fanning, the tight end 44 on the crosser, on the dagger route. I thought he'd throw that with timing.

Speaker 11 He hit Jew with one, and Jew jew made a great move uh he had another one a couple of guys dropped one 84 had one in his hand but give a woozy credit he's great that great play by a woozy that was a great play that was a great play but when you have a young player in there having been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you have a young guy and you have to make plays for him You understand that he's nervous.

Speaker 11 I don't care what anybody says. He's nervous.
I've been here before. I've been doing this all my life.
You ain't been doing it on this level all your life.

Speaker 11 You ain't did it like this with those guys all your life so um hopefully he gets an opportunity another opportunity he'll be better prepared um

Speaker 11 than he was uh

Speaker 11 and uh we'll get a different result also in this game miles miles gay hey man

Speaker 10 eight

Speaker 10 hey he's the real deal huh

Speaker 11 He the real deal is he gonna break. He got seven games to go, so he needs he needs eight sacks to break the record.

Speaker 10 He might very well get that.

Speaker 11 He might very, hey no, they got the Ravens again.

Speaker 11 He might

Speaker 11 hold on. I bet they got Pittsburgh.
They got y'all again.

Speaker 10 He definitely might because he had three today, right? Did he have three or four?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 11 They got at the Raiders.

Speaker 11 They get the 49ers, Titans at home. They're at the Bears.
They get the Bills at home. They get the Steelers at home.
They get the Bengals on home.

Speaker 10 Now, the best matchup out of everybody you said will be probably will be a matchup to watch will be Miles Garrett and Deion Dawkins.

Speaker 10 Miles Garrett and Deion Dawkins. And everybody else on there, and there's no disrespect to them, but you got your hands full.

Speaker 11 Oh, everybody got their hands full.

Speaker 10 You got your hands full. And I obviously.

Speaker 11 What's called Big Trent? Got his hands full.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. Oh, shoot.
That's true.

Speaker 11 Big Trent got his hands full.

Speaker 11 Yeah, everybody got their hands full. Colton Miller, Miller, everybody.
Because he's kicking everybody ass.

Speaker 11 He's on one of those. He's

Speaker 11 on one of those tears right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him.
He don't even see you.

Speaker 11 He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest.
Having been around, having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas, I played against Leslie O'Neill.

Speaker 11 Go look him up. If you don't know, the Greg Townsend, all those guys, the Michael Spray hands, when they get into a rhythm,

Speaker 11 it ain't nothing you can do.

Speaker 11 Nothing you can do. It's just like a guy shooting a basket like Jordan.
They say Jordan getting a zone or Steph getting in the zone. Does it matter if you put your hand?

Speaker 11 You know, they put their hand in his face like a KZ. He ain't even looking at you.
He's looking at the rim.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 he's throwing a pebble in the ocean. That's how big it looks to him.
There's a chance, Ocho. It haven't happened.

Speaker 11 I don't think it's happened since 92 when Cortez Kennedy won the defensive player of the year on a losing team. I think they were 2-14.

Speaker 11 and Tez won the defensive player of the year. That might happen because right now, Miles Garrett's the best defensive player of the year.

Speaker 10 He's easily.

Speaker 10 Without question.

Speaker 11 I mean, he is so, man, he is so for a man his size

Speaker 11 to move like he does, the way he can bend, the way he can change the

Speaker 11 direction, the way he can pose with one arm.

Speaker 11 The way he can, hey, he faking. I mean, he lining up and he, ah, ah, he in and out.

Speaker 11 He's wax on, wax off. He ripping.
He bending the edge. He can hump you.

Speaker 10 He got a night eight.

Speaker 11 He has,

Speaker 11 when it comes to rushing the quarterback, he has no weakness because he can turn power. He can turn power to speed, speed to power.
He just

Speaker 11 can snatch pull you.

Speaker 11 He's just amazing.

Speaker 11 And I just hate. I just hate

Speaker 11 that he ain't going to win.

Speaker 10 Not even. Listen, he might not win as a team collectively, but he's gonna win individually.
He's gonna win individually.

Speaker 10 Every time. And sometimes in a winning effort, defensively, sometimes in a losing effort.
But what you get from Miles Garrett is you get consistency.

Speaker 10 You get consistency from him, and he's gonna be an impact. Sometimes that impact results in wins, sometimes it doesn't.
But

Speaker 10 he's a force to be reckoned with week in and week out.

Speaker 11 And the thing is, OJo, but when we talk about great defenders, when it comes to D-linemen, what did all of them do?

Speaker 11 Win?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 What did Reggie do?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 11 What did Strahan do? What did A-O-T do? What did Aaron Donald do?

Speaker 11 JJ Watt.

Speaker 11 You've got to do that. Yeah, but

Speaker 11 I'm not saying you got to win a championship.

Speaker 11 I'm not saying you got to win that, but Ocho.

Speaker 10 It's unfair.

Speaker 11 You go in 3 and 14. You go

Speaker 11 5 and 12.

Speaker 10 But it is unfair. It's unfair.
You have to think about the situation those players, those players were in. You better think about the team that they were on collectively, you know, as a group.

Speaker 10 So they won because of the team that they were a part of.

Speaker 10 There was an effort on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for Aaron Donald. Michael Strahan, look at the defense back then.

Speaker 10 Look at the offense with Eli Manning, some of the things they were doing, you know, during that time.

Speaker 11 Hell, Reggie White, but you got to realize, but you got to realize, Ojo, with Reggie White.

Speaker 10 man

Speaker 11 you gotta think about what the what the the uh the giants were before they got oh yeah yeah yeah yeah you got to realize what they before they got carrie collins and ended up going to the super bowl they weren't going to they weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s they weren't like that hey all it takes is a quarterback stray was doing oh yeah absolutely absolutely but

Speaker 11 and and and guess what reggie got tired of losing reggae said said, I'm going to Green Bay. Yeah, the money.

Speaker 11 They had money, but they had more money

Speaker 11 at other places. I want to win.

Speaker 11 Time. Say, babe, Atlanta, y'all trying to get me used to losing.
I want to win.

Speaker 11 So at what point in time does Miles Garrett say, man, here I am. I'm getting 23, 24 sacks.
And

Speaker 11 I ain't even sniffing the playoffs. I'm not even close to the playoffs.
My season is already over. Think about it, Ocho.

Speaker 11 We ate 10 games into the season, and the Clevelands already know they're eliminated from.

Speaker 10 I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 11 You six games, six weeks into the season, Ocho. We got, ocho, we got 11, 12 weeks to go.
All right. Hey, man,

Speaker 11 let me see what I'm going to do.

Speaker 10 And the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline.

Speaker 10 There were teams that tried to get him, man. And listen, I don't know the details.
I'm not an insider. I don't have the sources, but

Speaker 10 the Browns weren't going to do that.

Speaker 10 I don't think there's anything a a team could offer them where they would have done it because I think a team that really needs.

Speaker 11 No, no, no, no, not now. No, I don't think, I don't think, I be personally, I don't think he wanted to leave in because he's on a great, he's on a great pace right now.

Speaker 11 I think that's something they might revisit in the because I'm gonna make a I'm gonna make you tell me like Betelgeuse, Beetlejuice. You're gonna have to tell me no.

Speaker 11 You gotta tell me, no, Ocho. You gotta tell me, no.
I ain't gonna lie to you. You gotta tell me no.

Speaker 11 Because

Speaker 11 he's a, man, he's a hell of a, he's a hell of a, hell of a player. The real deal.
And he got an opportunity. He's gonna go down as one of the all-time great.

Speaker 11 But I want to see him. I want to see him on the all-time.
I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in an AFC or NFC championship game.
I want to see him in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 I want everybody to see Miles Garrett.

Speaker 11 I want them to see. Just how special he is.

Speaker 10 And not have to see it watching highlights. Because you got to do

Speaker 10 it.

Speaker 11 You got to think about it, huh?

Speaker 10 You know, as great as he is i mean how many people are tuning in to see the cleveland browns play outside of browns fans unless unless it's the team that they're playing unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the browns that's about the

Speaker 10 only time

Speaker 11 yep going back to shadur wyatt teller said after the game uh this is what he said wyatt teller said on shadur i think i've heard his cadence like two or three times i think it's going to come i think going out at halftime we all got on the line he said his cadence and we're kind of okay got through it again a lot of learning, but we, but he played his heart out.

Speaker 11 We just fell short. Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1.
Stefanski wasn't even getting uh Shadur his backup, uh, at least minimal reps during the course of the week.

Speaker 11 I get Flacco to a certain extent, Ocho, because Flacco is a veteran. Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can.

Speaker 11 But at some point in time, I'm not saying you split it 50-50. I'm not even saying you split it 60-40.
But

Speaker 11 you can't find a way to get that man two reps in a period.

Speaker 11 So the offensive line, the running backs, and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that. Because that's very important.
Some people have a slow cadence, some people have a fast cadence.

Speaker 11 And you need to be able to hear it. So

Speaker 11 I was surprised

Speaker 11 that

Speaker 11 Stefanski said that, man, since the man got drafted, you know, they had to draft him. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 I know how long ago it was.

Speaker 11 And today is, today is Sunday. Is the day the 16th?

Speaker 11 November 16th.

Speaker 11 June, July, August, September, October, November. So six years ago.
See, but you have to understand. The first time that man got first team reps was today in a national game against the Division.

Speaker 10 But you have to understand that that wasn't their call.

Speaker 10 That is not the player that they wanted.

Speaker 10 They had they had their mind made up. They had their mind set on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one.
Obviously, it was Joe Flacco.

Speaker 10 When things didn't work out with Joe Flacco, they were going to Dylan Gabriel as their, as their, as their quarterback. Yeah.
They did, they, they just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans.

Speaker 10 You know, now that that's their business. That's, that's the way they felt.

Speaker 10 Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion, hoping, I'm hoping he's okay and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for the Browns, being that he is the one that they wanted to be their starter.

Speaker 10 So I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back once he clears concussion protocol. But now,

Speaker 10 if

Speaker 10 Dylan Gabriel is out, now shador has a whole week he has a whole week to get all those all those things down to get that rhythm to get that timing get that chemistry with the receivers with the linemen so they can hear that cadence and understand

Speaker 10 understand

Speaker 10 you know the sound and and how he gonna call those plays in the huddle and obviously at the line of scrimmage

Speaker 11 let's take a listen to what shador had to say after the game ojo

Speaker 35 But it's different when there's different body types going out there, different way how people get out of routes. Like what I seen on

Speaker 35 the pick initially was I see his hips turn. So I'm like, okay, we're going to be able to get out there.

Speaker 35 But at the same time,

Speaker 35 playing quarterback is extremely hard. So it's like, I like knowing every detail about my receivers.
I like knowing the small things, what they're good at, what they're not good at.

Speaker 35 It's like so many details

Speaker 35 that helps me play confident with those guys. And I know, you know, we at the bottom right now.

Speaker 35 This performance, everything, it will never be like this.

Speaker 35 But,

Speaker 35 you know, I'm dedicated to

Speaker 35 being able to get those opportunities with those guys to

Speaker 35 have a relationship. You know, I got a relationship with all the hungry dogs, though.

Speaker 35 We let clockwork out there.

Speaker 35 You just got to see. You just got to see everything a little bit more, you know, like them come out, routes them, do all different type of stuff.
So.

Speaker 11 You want to go to the next sound before we respond to this? Let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett had to say about Shador after the game.

Speaker 36 Don't be discouraged from one drive or two drives. It's a good no football team over there.
So

Speaker 36 just trying to keep him to keep his confidence high and

Speaker 36 keep on chasing that standard which he set. And we're going to continue to support him.

Speaker 36 He spoke after the game and he wanted to pin it on himself and his performance, but we're not going to allow him to do that.

Speaker 36 It's a team game. So we're all in this together.

Speaker 10 He said he addressed the entire team in the locker room.

Speaker 10 Hey, you know what, too, Unc, as a receiver, and Unc,

Speaker 10 you're going to test this

Speaker 10 with great understanding.

Speaker 10 And those of you in the chat that are listening, I don't think they understand how important it is to have a cadence with your receivers, to understand to work with them throughout the week.

Speaker 10 So so to understand their movements you know their their tendencies and and when they're going to break when they're going to get out and being able to being able to throw the ball i think people think you just you get out there and you you just throw the ball to your receivers and it's just that easy it's just that easy but there's there's there's a timing and cadence to it and rhythm to it that that's why you always hear players talk about throwing with your quarterback in you know in the offseason and throwing with them in practice and and getting those getting those reps so everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is sped up times 10.

Speaker 10 And you can tell and you know when a player is about to break based on his mannerism, based on his body language. And I think people watching the game of football think it's just so easy.

Speaker 10 You know, you get the ball and you just throw it and the guy has to get open. But that's not the way it works when you have other players.

Speaker 11 Everything is easy that you can't do.

Speaker 11 Everything is easy that you can't do.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I know what you mean. I know what you do.
Yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 11 Those that can do, those that can't talk about others that can do

Speaker 10 yeah you you you right you right

Speaker 11 let me ask you a question ocho you played with tom brady do you think tom brady would allow some some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on sunday because he wouldn't trust you

Speaker 11 thank you neither would peyton manning neither would john elway

Speaker 11 Because if there is a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game, you best believe John Elway was going to see you run a dig, an end cut, an overroute, a slant, a comeback, a a stop, a smoke, a shake.

Speaker 11 He's going to see you do it in practice. And guess what? When it comes time to one-on-one, guess what? He's going to say, hey, no, don't worry, AT, let him get up there.
I want to see what he can do.

Speaker 11 I've been with you for seven years. I've been with you.
I know what you can do.

Speaker 11 But he's going to want to see what those guys can do because if I got to go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I need to know I can trust you. I need to see some mannerisms.

Speaker 11 Hey, you tell him, bro, let me know when you're going to break out, bro. I got to to know when you're going to break out.
You just can't do that.

Speaker 11 Make sure you get your depth.

Speaker 11 Hey, I can't. I can't listen.
This is 707. I can't be.

Speaker 11 Pardon the language, chat. I can't be back here jacking his ball off, which means he can't be all that patting.

Speaker 10 You get your head knocked off.

Speaker 11 Oh, no.

Speaker 11 No, he can't do that. And you hear me saying, guys, what y'all think this is? 707?

Speaker 11 No, that ball's got to come out. One, two, three, balls out.
One, two, three, four, five, balls out.

Speaker 11 So to ask your door to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center, he hasn't thrown the Judy, he hadn't thrown the Hannah, he hadn't thrown to any of those guys, and they expect him to work a miracle.

Speaker 11 We're not making excuses, but look, as time progresses, he getting more and more time, we'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance. But I think it's unfair to give him a grade.

Speaker 11 If I were to give him a grade, I would say incomplete.

Speaker 11 Incomplete.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen, bitch.

Speaker 11 Hey, hold on. We asked him to take a test.

Speaker 10 We asked him

Speaker 10 without studying.

Speaker 10 Without studying. I mean, that's unfair.

Speaker 10 Listen, if you're going to give me an assignment, right, at least give me the curriculum. Give me the curriculum that I can properly study so I can pass the goddamn test.

Speaker 10 That's all.

Speaker 10 Make it fair. Make it fair for me.
Just don't throw me. Hey, don't throw me out.

Speaker 11 Don't throw me out there blind.

Speaker 11 I give you, chat. I don't know how many of you guys went to college.
I don't know how many of you, you, I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school.

Speaker 11 Imagine showing up your first day of class and the teacher gave you a test.

Speaker 10 And you don't know what the hell it's on.

Speaker 11 No, no, no, no, no. You know the class, the class,

Speaker 11 you in the history class. You in a science class.
You in the chemistry class. And the first day you show up and you go,

Speaker 11 whoa, whoa, what did you that at?

Speaker 11 Damn.

Speaker 11 Hell, you didn't even give me the syllabus. You didn't even tell me

Speaker 11 what we're going to be going over this quarter, this semester.

Speaker 10 Hold on, I'm going to act like we're in church now.

Speaker 11 Go ahead.

Speaker 11 It's tough, chat.

Speaker 11 And look, y'all know me, I'm not big on excuses. You either get it done or you don't.

Speaker 11 But having played this game, having been a guy that's been in the situation that Shador, that didn't get a whole lot of reps, but...

Speaker 11 And when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game. I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in a game when you're taking no reps.

Speaker 11 I've never thrown to Jerry Judy. The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is pat and go

Speaker 11 and warming up. I've never thrown to these guys.
The centers never hack snapped me the ball because normally when I'm throwing pat and go, ocho, they throwing the ball underhand.

Speaker 11 The ball boys throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that.
The centers are down there. The linemen are down there working on some other stuff.

Speaker 11 So until we come as a team to stretch, then

Speaker 11 they go do, you know, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 907 or whatever we're going to do.

Speaker 11 Or they got the individual periods and then we have our individual periods and then we come together. But I just think the thing is, is that he just needs some time.

Speaker 11 He needs to work with that offense. They need to get his use to his cadence.
Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in.

Speaker 11 I definitely think we'll see a better Shadur next week.

Speaker 11 he starts, I guarantee you, we'll see a better Shadur

Speaker 10 than what we saw.

Speaker 10 It's all about preparation, huh? It's all about preparation. It is.
You know, it's one thing when opportunity presents itself. If you're prepared,

Speaker 10 it looks different. You're a lot more confident.
But if you don't know what to prepare for or don't have the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare for, say, a test, this is what you get.

Speaker 11 Exactly.

Speaker 11 Oh, Joe, you ain't ain't winning war without the proper weapons.

Speaker 11 So cannons and musket, nah, that ain't how they're doing it now.

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Speaker 11 So,

Speaker 11 hey,

Speaker 11 they,

Speaker 11 they, hey, hey, they dropping

Speaker 11 bunker busters from B-52s. A bunker, a bunker buster? It's a whole...

Speaker 11 Yeah, they got those bombs now, OJo. You drop it because people, you know, they done dug inside the cave.
They drop them and they

Speaker 10 mess up the whole bunker, huh?

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Speaker 11 Man.

Speaker 11 The Eagles defeat the Lions by the score of 16 to 9.

Speaker 11 Ocho, me personally, I think that was a horrible pass interference call. That is a play on because, you know,

Speaker 11 it could have went either way, but I don't think that I don't, I personally don't think it was a PI. on Yeshin.
I don't. But that being said, the Eagles win this ball game.

Speaker 11 They moved to 8-2 with a 16-9 victory. And the Lions dropped

Speaker 11 6-4.

Speaker 11 Ocho,

Speaker 11 we're going to talk about this a little later, but there was a meeting between A.J. Brown and the owner, Jeffrey Lurie.
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 11 So I chatting didn't happen because you know y'all going to get mad at Ocho and I for talking about it. Because y'all are going to say it didn't happen.

Speaker 11 Although everybody has reported that it did happen. You keep telling Ocho and I, there's nothing going on.

Speaker 11 But normally, players and owners don't have closed-door meetings that's normal i've never had a close i did once i was retired you know what i'm saying but anyway ocho the eagles did what they needed to do jalen hurst was 14 of 28 135 yards no touchdowns no interceptions again he didn't turn the ball over he had one fumble but they ended up recovering it um saquon was 26 of 83 nothing to write home about 40 rush attempts 148 yards the wind was gusting i think probably excess of 30 40 miles an hour which made it difficult.

Speaker 11 And knowing what you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, where the wind swirls and it gets hard, you know, points are going to be at a premium.

Speaker 11 And we know how Dan Campbell is. He's very aggressive.
But I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were going to be at a premium.

Speaker 11 And it wasn't going to be a ball game, Ocho, where you're going to get 31, 28, 35, 34, something like that. So points were going to be at a premium.

Speaker 11 But what did you like about what you saw from the night?

Speaker 10 I mean, listen, they were resilient. They were resilient.
They obviously

Speaker 10 weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough.
AJ Brown had somewhat of a down night.

Speaker 10 11 targets. He had 11 targets.
He caught seven of those. He had 49 yards.
I mean, Saquon, you know, had 26 carried for 83 yards, but the defense dominated, huh? The defense dominated.

Speaker 10 The fact that it's as explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is, I mean, they were held in check. They were held in check.

Speaker 10 Golf was what? 14 for 37. He had one TD.
He had an interception. They were able to help hold gibbs sonic is is gibbs sonic

Speaker 10 hey wait listen they was able to able to hold him 12 carry for 39 yards uh no yeah yeah wait hold on yeah yeah

Speaker 11 but he got it in the past so he got if you look at oh cho he had 107 yards receiver five carries five catches so he got his he got his yards from scrimmage he just didn't get him the way we conventionally used to see yeah absolutely but that goddamn that that goddamn eagles defense unknown but them boy and play some goddamn balls, especially that front four.

Speaker 10 Jordan Davis had him a night tonight. Jalen.

Speaker 11 How many balls did they bat down, Ojoe? Five, six, seven?

Speaker 10 Maybe, if I'm not mistaken, maybe about seven, eight. Maybe about seven and eight.

Speaker 11 Because Jordan Davis, I think I saw him get three. Carter got three, got two.

Speaker 11 97 got one. I mean, every time I turn around, and it's so frustrating, Ojo.
Because you know, you're like, oh, yeah, I got it. Damn.

Speaker 10 Matter of fact, listen, and all it is is just being able to disengage. If you can't get to the quarterback, use your eyes.
Use your eyes.

Speaker 10 Hold the offensive player out and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane with your hands.
And watch the quarterback's eyes. And it worked wonderfully.
Jalen Phillips had a sack tonight.

Speaker 10 And listen, in the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good.

Speaker 10 I mean, honestly, it was a boring game. It was somewhat of a boring game.

Speaker 10 It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that.

Speaker 10 But I enjoyed it. And the fact that offensively the Eagles

Speaker 10 didn't look to par as we'd like them to look, but they still got the most important stat. They got the W.

Speaker 11 That's what they do. They're not, I mean, they don't, you know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35.
Sometimes they need to score 10. They score 10.

Speaker 11 They do what is necessary to win and they don't put themselves in harm's way.

Speaker 11 I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early too soon um there are times that you know punt the ball away and pin them down make them go don't give them a short field uh golf turned the ball over early uh got and i think they got three points out of that but detroit they better get home field yeah

Speaker 11 because anybody they could potentially play unless it's the rams gonna they're gonna probably be outside

Speaker 11 And the conditions, you know what the conditions are. In January, they're going to probably be

Speaker 11 like this, maybe even worse. So you don't know because when you look at the schedule, let's see.
Philly is the one seed.

Speaker 11 Probably only going to get one team out of that division.

Speaker 11 Green Bay, Chicago, those are two teams that could possibly get in. Guess what, Ocho? The weather is bad there.

Speaker 11 So Philly is bad. The Rams.
Seattle, Seattle, you know, Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them.
But I just thought, look,

Speaker 11 it's tough. I can just imagine because Jalen has to answer questions, not about Detroit, but about AJ.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 it's starting to bother me. Like, man, I want to focus on Detroit.
Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort.

Speaker 11 They're putting plays in the game plan to make me, I ain't going through my progression. Throw it to AJ.

Speaker 11 Throw it to AJ. And that got Goff into trouble because golf had a time, had to tighten on the shallow cross, but he's looking for Almond Ra.

Speaker 11 What happens, Ocho, a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught unless the guy that's covering him man, unless he's green dogging,

Speaker 11 he's taught, okay, start looking for crosses. Start looking.
And so what happened is that he blocked. The linebacker is not green dogging, which means he's not pressing.

Speaker 11 So he starts looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross, but ball.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 11 But he's looking looking at Armin Rob because he'd already made his mind up where he's going with the football. And it's hard to undo that.
And you see Jay Montgomery is

Speaker 11 Montgomery is jumping up in him down there in the middle of the field.

Speaker 10 I'm open.

Speaker 11 The tight end was Scott Free.

Speaker 11 You see golf player with gloves on, but I think it just got frustrating because he had some opportunities and then they backed the ball right back down in his face like we were playing

Speaker 11 beats volleyball. And it's tough.
It was frustrating

Speaker 11 to watch. But look, the Eagles are going to look, the Eagles, they're not going to win style points.
And winning is, this is not gymnastics.

Speaker 11 This is not swimming, you know, platform diving or anything like that where it's subjective. No, this is about wins and losses.
And how do we get the win is unimportant.

Speaker 11 The most important thing is that we got the win, not how we got it. Is that why we got it?

Speaker 11 And that's what the Eagles, that's what the Eagles do, Ocho. The Eagles win.
It ain't pretty.

Speaker 10 It's not pretty. And the one thing,

Speaker 10 it's also when I'm thinking about a game like this, I'm thinking how Dan Campbell's thinking in a sense. You know what? I'm going to take some chances.
I'm going to go for it on four down.

Speaker 10 See if I can get those points in premium due to the elements

Speaker 10 and force the Eagles to play a different style of game. Force them to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us.

Speaker 10 To me, to me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on him and force him to be able to throw the ball.

Speaker 10 Let's make them uncomfortable.

Speaker 10 Let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do.

Speaker 10 And that's the only exact thing. And the defense, they step up to the challenge.
They step to the challenge and play it extremely well.

Speaker 11 If you got Laporta, I give you that. Because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers and against your safeties.
So I'll give you that.

Speaker 11 But given what you're up against, considering the elements that probably 17 points would win you this ball games, the last thing you want to do is

Speaker 11 give away field position and let them get easy points. If you, oh, Joe, if they drive the field and

Speaker 11 they get a field goal, if they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can live with that.

Speaker 11 But I can't put them on a short field and let them get one field goal and now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range.

Speaker 11 Or even if they don't score, they're going to have me backed up.

Speaker 11 And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up i feel like a salmon in spawning season i feel like i'm swimming upstream and there's a lake full of bears this every every time hey they get full because they hibernate they got to eat all they can because they're about to go into hibernation and that's what happened to the detroit is that they gave the eagles short fields and even when they didn't score points ocho it kept them backed up And they just needed, they just needed to start one.

Speaker 11 I mean, they did a great job of stopping the tush push and got a short field, ended up getting a field goal out of it.

Speaker 11 But like I said,

Speaker 11 it'd have been very interesting to see

Speaker 11 if they don't call that PI call, can they go down and get a touchdown?

Speaker 11 Put it like this. I'm not putting no money that means something to me that they're going to go down and get a touchdown.

Speaker 11 You might put some money on it that means something to you that says, okay, yeah,

Speaker 11 Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown.

Speaker 10 You know what's funny is I don't think it would have made a difference. I don't think it would have made a difference.

Speaker 10 Whether it was a PI or not, I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles played defense all night long, all four quarters.

Speaker 10 You know, it looked like it looked like what it did.

Speaker 10 They were able to get nine points. Nine points.

Speaker 10 We talk about

Speaker 10 a Ram. Talk about the Rams.
We talk about a Lions team that's able to score

Speaker 10 in bulk.

Speaker 11 They're number two and scored average of a little over almost 32.

Speaker 10 Exactly. So for them to come out today, and I'm not going to blame the elements.
I'm not going to blame the weather

Speaker 10 at all.

Speaker 11 Because both teams had to play.

Speaker 10 Exactly.

Speaker 10 exactly and we've seen them play in cold weather before and still be able to to put up points you know at will so i think the eagles they played one one hell of a game um on on all three levels on all three levels they they were phenomenal did they

Speaker 11 and the thing is ocho but you know about dome teams there's a reason why dome teams don't go to the super bowl unless they're in their own building Because when you have to go outside and you have to, normally late January, the weather is bad.

Speaker 11 You go to Philly or you go to Cincinnati, you go to Pittsburgh, you go to Baltimore, you go to Kansas City. If you're a dome-weather team, it's really not conducive.
Normally, you look at the Rams.

Speaker 11 They got to the Super Bowl how they had home field.

Speaker 11 When they didn't have home field, it's tough.

Speaker 11 I mean, the only warm weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the Super Bowl is Tampa is when they went on the road to Philly and they beat Philly in Philly.

Speaker 11 And it took a Herculean effort from the defense because the offense really didn't do anything. Ronde Barbie ended up getting like a 90-yard pick six, something like that.
But it's very tough.

Speaker 11 So Detroit got their work cut out for them if they want to get to where they want to be.

Speaker 11 And it's not going to be easy because I don't know if you noticed. Chicago's playing really, really well.
That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable. Hold on.

Speaker 11 And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like...

Speaker 11 I mean, sometimes I don't know Jordan Love. Do you need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he like, I'm Derrick Henry.
Wow. oh no you're not

Speaker 11 until the tent he went and ended up going inside until he figured out like nah bro you can't you can't take shots

Speaker 11 can't take shots on your shoulder like that uh if you look at the eagles ojo they beaten the lions the packers the vikings the bucks the rams and the chiefs hey

Speaker 11 with the exception

Speaker 11 of the Vikings

Speaker 11 everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions i mean maybe the vikings still are,

Speaker 11 but the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all you takes is seventh. They still, there's an outside chance that they could win the division.

Speaker 11 But the Rams, they're clearly in sole possession because

Speaker 11 they beat Seattle today.

Speaker 11 So to beat the Lions, to beat the Packers, to beat the Bucs, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team now.

Speaker 11 You're just not going to just go in there and willy-nilly just go roll over them. So if you think that's what's going to happen, that ain't happening.

Speaker 11 They're very well coached, and I know a lot of people don't like their offense. And Kevin Petula, la la la, they're not, they're not going to beat themselves.
You're going to have to beat them.

Speaker 11 Jerry Goff, worst completion percentage in a single game in his career, Ocho, 37.8% tonight. The ninth lowest mark by a quarterback who has at least 35 attempts since 2005.

Speaker 11 The Eagles' defense did it again.

Speaker 11 So, basically,

Speaker 11 148,

Speaker 11 148,

Speaker 11 and 124. So they had about 270 yards.

Speaker 10 Hey. 270.
You know what's funny? We have all this discourse and all this talk about AJ Brown and the offense and it not

Speaker 10 living up to the standards and evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year. And Saquon really hasn't had a day yet.

Speaker 10 What we're used to seeing, I think at some point, they're will hit their stride. At some point, I think things are going to open up.

Speaker 10 That offense is going to change, especially, I think it's going to start clicking when it matters most.

Speaker 10 Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly, but I think at some point, maybe

Speaker 10 that momentum or they catch fire at the right time

Speaker 10 when it matters most. Now, I mean, obviously, they're winning games ugly.

Speaker 10 The defense is carrying a load and probably the main or the majority reason why they're winning.

Speaker 10 But I think once the offense catches up to where the defense is and maybe maybe just maybe just halfway maybe just halfway i think that they're going to be a force to reckon with especially once once they get to the goddamn playoffs and there's a good chance if they keep playing like this defensively and if the offense gets any better or any more efficient especially on the ground and they're running they have a healthy balance of both man it's going to be hell huh it's going to be hell but we know at some point in time one team offense is going to have their way with that defense And then the offense is going to have to bail them out.

Speaker 11 We've seen it happen no matter what.

Speaker 11 Everybody has a game in which whatever your strong suit is, you struggle and the other side of the ball needs to bail you out. And it's normally the side that

Speaker 11 has struggled. So the offense has really struggled, but the defense has been exemplary.
So what happens when an offense, opposing team offense, has their way with that defense?

Speaker 11 And I'm saying, you know, somehow they get, you know, 28, get 31 points. Now we're going to need Jalen Hurston.
We're going to need the offense to go match that and go get 32, get 33, get 34 points.

Speaker 11 So we know that game is coming. We don't know who it's going to be.

Speaker 11 Maybe it's the Cowboys because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game.

Speaker 11 You throw everything out of the window. Don't look how bad the Cowboys are.
I know the Cowboys have played like some stir-fry this year.

Speaker 11 Against a division opponent,

Speaker 11 you throw everything out of the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles.
8-2 on the season. Dropped the Lions to 6-4 with a score of 16-9.

Speaker 11 Jordan Davis, Ocho, entered the night with three batted balls. He finished with a tie for the league lead with six.
So he had three. Carter probably had two.
97, I think that's Hunt. I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 11 Had one.

Speaker 11 They won.

Speaker 11 They played well. They handled the elements,

Speaker 11 the conditions better better than Detroit did. Cause, you know,

Speaker 11 how do I practice that, Ocho? I normally practice them and don't. So they probably went outside.
I'm sure they went outside.

Speaker 10 It's cold in Detroit right now. It's cold in Detroit.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen, knowing Dan Campbell to get them ready for the elements and what you're going to have to, I mean, what it's going to be like on Sunday, we're going to practice outside Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Speaker 11 Yep. Before the game, reports came out from ESPN Sal Palantonio, the guy that knows all things Eagles.
He's been covering the Eagles Eagles for probably 40 years.

Speaker 11 AJ Brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense.

Speaker 11 During the 10-minute meeting, Brown promised Lurie that he would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lurie that he just wants to be a part of an offense and is frustrated.

Speaker 11 All right, Chad, hey, Eagles fan.

Speaker 11 Me and Ocho didn't know what we were talking about. We just making stuff up.
Now, how many times, how many, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Jeffrey Lurie?

Speaker 11 He's on this team for two decades. Met with a player about something that he was posting on social media.

Speaker 11 Met with a player about his role in the offense, his role in the defense. Eagle, this is, hey, chat, this is only for Eagle fans.

Speaker 11 I don't want anybody else to chime in because Ocho and I, we just doing this for clicks, mainly you, um, because Ocho, Ocho, cool, we like Ocho, but it's mainly you.

Speaker 11 So Eagles fans, I want y'all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm going to give you a couple of minutes to chime in.

Speaker 11 Now,

Speaker 11 and I like Cocho, I understood from the beginning. My only thing was, I said, AJ, it's just that when you do this publicly and

Speaker 11 winning. And you say your goal is to win and you're winning, the fans are not going to look at it like, man, I want to be involved because I want to take this offense to the next level.

Speaker 11 They're going to look at it as you complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stats.

Speaker 11 That's how it's going to be.

Speaker 11 So, my thing was just keep it behind closed doors.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 11 he probably kept it behind closed door, Ocho, as long as Ocho, using all this stuff.

Speaker 11 Absolutely. Until you open the door and all that shit come rolling.

Speaker 10 Absolutely. And the funny thing about it, too, is you know what I think? I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors.
I think he's those conversations with Jalen.

Speaker 10 I think he's had those conversations with Coach Siriani.

Speaker 11 Siriani Tule. He might have.

Speaker 10 He might have because this has been going on since last year. It's been going on since last year.

Speaker 10 So I think the conversations have already been had and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed.
But what A.J. Brown has to understand, this offense is run a certain way.

Speaker 10 It's always run a certain way. And the way that they do it,

Speaker 10 Jalen Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to take the chances like Aaron Rodgers.
He's not going going to take the chances like a Brett Favre or a gunslinging quarterback.

Speaker 10 I'm going to make the right reads. I'm going to do the right things with the ball.
And I'm not going to put my team in

Speaker 10 harm's way and have us behind the eight ball when it comes to playing football. And that's just the nature of the business and the way they do things.

Speaker 10 And I think the Eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have. It's not pretty.

Speaker 10 It's not aesthetically pleasing. He's not going to go out there and throw for no 400, 500 yards.
That's not the offense.

Speaker 10 It doesn't ask for him to do that. But when time come, when times come and you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm, we've seen him do it.

Speaker 10 Hell, a la last year in the Super Bowl, they weren't allowing Saquon to get diddly, diddley squat. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game.
This year, things don't look like it should.

Speaker 10 They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they're not even throwing the ball well.

Speaker 11 They get in the spurs.

Speaker 10 But what are they doing? They're being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point, the roles are going to reverse.

Speaker 10 This is going to be a game, just like you said, with a defense, they're going to get had.

Speaker 10 They're going to be a team that's going to be able to take advantage of them.

Speaker 10 And the funny thing about it, you think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and have an offensive scoring, high-volume output, you think about the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 They beat the Chiefs. Yeah, you think about the Lions tonight.
They scoring 27, 28, almost 30 a game. Not yet.
It's going to be a team you least expected.

Speaker 10 It's going to be a team you least expected, and they're going to have their goddamn way. And it's going to come time where Jalen Hurt is going to have to step up.

Speaker 10 And he's going to beat you with your arm or Saquon going to do what he do on the ground like he did last year that he hasn't been able to do yet this year.

Speaker 11 This offense is built to play with a lead

Speaker 11 because of the way they play is running pass. A lot of teams pass the run.

Speaker 11 So, OJo, you afraid of us throwing the football. So now you play coverage, we can run into a lot of box.

Speaker 11 So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run and then we're going to pass.

Speaker 11 We're going to dictate. We're not going to let you dictate when you pass.

Speaker 11 But they normally pass and it's third and short. What gets the Eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the football.

Speaker 11 See, when it's third and short, Ocho, you don't know. I can run it with Saquon or I can use Hurts legs or I can do something quick.
Screen the

Speaker 11 Jalen,

Speaker 11 screen to Devontae, quick something, quick pop, Goddard.

Speaker 11 They get into trouble when you start, they start third and 10, third, 12. That's when they get into trouble.

Speaker 11 And so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at, staying out of situations like that. But give them credit.
They won tonight, played the elements better.

Speaker 11 That's what you have to do when you're at home, OJO. Hey, we're in our environment.
We're the Eagles. We play and we practice outside.

Speaker 10 Hey, and one problem I do have about watching the game tonight, the fact that I can still, I don't play for the Eagles,

Speaker 10 I don't play for the Eagles, but I watch a lot of football and I watch the Eagles all season long. Hell, I watch every goddamn team.

Speaker 10 But the fact that I can tell you, based on AJ Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly what route he's running, that's not good.

Speaker 10 That's not good because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday. What do you think those that are playing across from him are doing?

Speaker 10 He had 11, I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that, but it's the same stuff over and over and over.

Speaker 10 If he lines up two yards outside the number if he's by himself he's running the hitch

Speaker 10 if he if he's in if he is if he's at the top

Speaker 10 or the slam if it's if it's two by two and sweeney's on the side with him or the titans on the side with him he's off the ball he's running the slam

Speaker 10 it it's it's like the same thing if he if he's inside he's running the quick out I mean,

Speaker 10 it's just, or the stick right, it's just the same.

Speaker 10 There's really no creativity in them putting him in.

Speaker 11 And they like to put him on the left-hand side, Ocho. They like to throw him the gold ball on the right-hand side.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 If you notice that, Ocho, a lot of his gold balls are on the left-hand side.

Speaker 10 I mean, so

Speaker 10 I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers he'd like to, but

Speaker 10 you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is. Route recognition, formation recognition, and the tendencies, the tendencies are the same.

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