Club Shay Shay - Claressa Shields Part 1

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Speaker 32 First American woman to win Olympic gold medal at 17.

Speaker 34 I keep my stuff on me.

Speaker 34 That's that gold, baby. And they're heavy.

Speaker 35 That's my own worm.

Speaker 34 Yeah. Keep them in that purse and that Chaneli.

Speaker 28 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 26 Sacrifice, hustle paid the price.

Speaker 28 Want a slice, got to roll the dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 28 All my life, been grinding all my life,

Speaker 34 sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want a slice, got to roll the dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 38 Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay.

Speaker 33 I am your host, Shannon Sharp, and we're on the road at Sweet Science Fitness Atlanta Boxing Club right here in Atlanta, Georgia.

Speaker 32 The lady that's stopping by for conversation and drink today is one of the world's best active female boxers, pound for pound.

Speaker 32 With an undefeated professional record, she holds 19 major world championships spanning five-weight classes.

Speaker 32 She holds the record becoming a two, three, four, five division world champion in the fewest professional fights.

Speaker 40 She's the first and only fastest boxer in history to hold four major world titles in boxing in three-weight classes.

Speaker 32 She's the first ever undisputed woman's heavyweight champion.

Speaker 40 She's the most watched woman's professional boxer in history.

Speaker 33 She's the first American to win Olympic gold medal.

Speaker 32 She's 17 years of age, and she won back-to-back gold medals.

Speaker 40 She was inducted into the USA Boxing Alumni Association Hall of Fame.

Speaker 32 Her gloves were enshrined into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

Speaker 47 From Flint Street to global fame, here she is the global, the greatest of all time.

Speaker 32 Larry Holmes used the jab.

Speaker 48 He was trying to do damage.

Speaker 41 A lot of people use the jab as a range finder.

Speaker 48 Klitchko, it was a range finder because he's trying to drop the right hand.

Speaker 4 So he was boom.

Speaker 33 That's what he's trying to do.

Speaker 4 Larry Holmes will boom.

Speaker 49 That's me.

Speaker 34 That's my jab right there.

Speaker 50 So you tried, you tried to.

Speaker 47 Power jab.

Speaker 35 Yes.

Speaker 51 Uh-huh. Snappy, powerful.

Speaker 52 So

Speaker 53 I'm pushing.

Speaker 54 Almost.

Speaker 4 Or am I.

Speaker 34 So we gonna bend your legs some.

Speaker 34 There you go. And put some of the weight on your back leg.

Speaker 4 Back foot, okay.

Speaker 34 On the back leg, because what you gonna do when you push off, you wanna make sure that your weight stays in the middle of here so when you push off you're going forward but you still just uh take a little step so you can back up something because you real tall right so get your stance together again let me see put your arm out there yeah so when you take your step you're gonna hit the back you're gonna take a short step probably to about right there go

Speaker 55 that's the good job so you push not forward you said like i hit a drumming

Speaker 31 hard as a picture

Speaker 34 you see that hey they're gonna feel it though see i'm just waiting because that's one of them ones that like that's like a flicker yeah if you push off your back leg the way that you really want to push off and really get it, ah, that is gonna it's gonna stick them.

Speaker 34 You know what I'm saying? Like make them say what's up.

Speaker 23 Okay, so

Speaker 28 boom.

Speaker 28 You saw that grip.

Speaker 34 You have more power if you push off that back leg and then when you throw your right, so when you got this hand here,

Speaker 30 get that hand up.

Speaker 58 Because you already hitting your chin, get that.

Speaker 33 Yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah, get that.

Speaker 34 So you're gonna pull this shoulder back, switch positions, and put that shoulder in front.

Speaker 31 That's where the power comes. Okay.

Speaker 34 Right there. But keep that foot down.
You're not moving it to the front when you throw it.

Speaker 36 When you go, one, two,

Speaker 34 push it there because you're pushing off both. So one, two,

Speaker 34 switch positions on them shoulders.

Speaker 4 Let's go. So be your legs up.

Speaker 56 One, pull it back.

Speaker 28 Yes.

Speaker 59 Oh, okay.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 34 I know you're going to feel that power. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 50 No, I don't want to feel it. I want them to feel it.

Speaker 34 Well, you're going to feel it when you throw it. Okay.
So make sure your dab is up here

Speaker 34 Where your head is at.

Speaker 60 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 35 One.

Speaker 28 Boom, boom.

Speaker 38 Almost. Try again.

Speaker 4 Go.

Speaker 34 It's fish. That was more stronger.
That was. Let's go again.

Speaker 34 One more time. Yo, jab a little soft.

Speaker 28 Boom, boom. That's.

Speaker 61 You just feel like he stopped you.

Speaker 35 It ain't stopped moving, yeah.

Speaker 50 We really told her that jab fall.

Speaker 50 Yeah, you see the bag still moving. Yeah.

Speaker 50 30 seconds or both.

Speaker 34 You definitely shaking it up.

Speaker 62 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 34 So now that we got that jab, we got that right. We're going to get our hook.
We're going to pull this shoulder back now and make an L with this hand. The L, uppercase L.
Yeah.

Speaker 34 There you go.

Speaker 31 All right, so let's try it again.

Speaker 30 One, two, three.

Speaker 34 And make sure that when you twist back on that hook, twist, it goes from here.

Speaker 52 So it's got a back.

Speaker 34 Twerking the hip and the shoulder.

Speaker 23 Throw my back out.

Speaker 29 Yeah, watch yourself.

Speaker 29 All right.

Speaker 63 Let's go.

Speaker 34 Keep that foot down. You moved it.
Keep that foot right where it's at. Oh, it's supposed to be.

Speaker 60 Oh, so I just pivot with it.

Speaker 34 Yeah, you can pivot, but leave it where it's going to be.

Speaker 47 But I'm going to pick it up. Don't pick it up.

Speaker 34 Don't pick it up. Okay.

Speaker 34 Back up some.

Speaker 34 Let's go. Ah, ah, ah.
Ah!

Speaker 48 Twitch.

Speaker 48 I need to rap.

Speaker 23 Pull that hook, man.

Speaker 34 Hey, the hook is a real sneaky punch.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Everybody worried about that jab that right hand, but it that hooked.

Speaker 54 No, that on the uppercut.

Speaker 47 Oh, the older, oh, the uppercut is coming because that's the one you don't see see sometimes you can you can catch that hook coming up

Speaker 34 right because it's up top but this one coming from under touch it right on that button right there

Speaker 34 you sweating already yeah you see that you sweating already

Speaker 34 so last score is you're gonna have that jab step with it gonna have that two

Speaker 34 you're gonna put that three on and the uppercut down see everything up in the top one two three but the uppercut you making a you here so it's coming from here

Speaker 34 Here. If you want to go to the body, bend your legs.
You want to go to the head.

Speaker 23 You bring it right up here.

Speaker 30 So,

Speaker 41 the jab.

Speaker 65 Boom, boom.

Speaker 36 Boom.

Speaker 34 But keep your chin down.

Speaker 38 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 34 When you throw that uppercut, you don't want to come here.

Speaker 30 Oh. Keep your chin.
Boom.

Speaker 52 Boom.

Speaker 34 And throw that uppercut. You're going to just twist it so that.
So put that hook up front.

Speaker 38 Put that hook up front.

Speaker 34 Boom. Now when you twist here, boom, make this an uppercut.
And you're going to hit them before and up is right there. That's your uppercut.

Speaker 16 Man, I hurt my wrist throwing the hook.

Speaker 34 Oh, you put that, you put that twerk on it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 54 Keep your fists close.

Speaker 34 Keep your fists close. Yeah.
Make sure you don't have them open.

Speaker 38 I did. That's what happened.
Okay. Well, well, I don't be hurting my hand.

Speaker 34 I only hurt my hand whenever my hand is open or it's not like

Speaker 38 when you close it all the way, it shouldn't hurt.

Speaker 54 Well, I think what it did is that

Speaker 14 I'm out there.

Speaker 23 I'm out.

Speaker 23 way.

Speaker 55 Throw it soft one.

Speaker 55 One,

Speaker 38 two,

Speaker 65 three,

Speaker 30 four.

Speaker 65 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 34 Keep that chin down.

Speaker 34 You're gonna do like seven punches.

Speaker 38 One, two, three,

Speaker 55 four.

Speaker 34 We're bringing that uppercut right here.

Speaker 38 Soft?

Speaker 64 Right there.

Speaker 34 In the middle of the body.

Speaker 64 But I'm trying to hit him with his chin, Clarissa.

Speaker 34 Are you you're going to the head?

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Oh, well, you're still bringing it up. Just don't bring it over here.
The head is where your head is at, right? Because you line them up.

Speaker 30 One, two, three.

Speaker 55 Overcome here.

Speaker 34 There we go. Perfect.
That's actually pretty good.

Speaker 30 That's pretty good.

Speaker 34 They really not ready for shit.

Speaker 57 They ain't ready.

Speaker 38 They pretty not ready. They're really not ready for Uncle.

Speaker 69 They ain't ready for Uncle Real.

Speaker 57 Hey, if hey, Uncle can't get you, y'all call me.

Speaker 30 I'm coming.

Speaker 47 That's what I need. Hey.

Speaker 47 Clarissa, Hamilton.

Speaker 65 Hey.

Speaker 34 He told me to do it.

Speaker 23 He's going to bail me out, too.

Speaker 28 I'm coming. Damn.

Speaker 50 It's, it's, it's, it's.

Speaker 38 No, no, that was good.

Speaker 34 You want, you want any more?

Speaker 24 No, I don't want no more.

Speaker 53 That's what you need to be asking.

Speaker 68 Hello, that walks a little die.

Speaker 65 We good.

Speaker 34 What do we got? What you got? Oh, what I got for you, I got you a Clarissa Shields woe hat. And I couldn't figure out your size, but this is a 2X.

Speaker 26 I feel a 2X.

Speaker 34 And I don't know if you wear matching, you know.

Speaker 34 But it got the pants to it.

Speaker 30 To the side? Yeah. To the side.

Speaker 54 I don't know about these pants, Clarissa, but are you jacking them?

Speaker 65 I know, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 63 I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 64 Are these women 2x or are they men 2x?

Speaker 34 They're unisex.

Speaker 34 But you know what? You got a football body, so they might not.

Speaker 65 But I don't know.

Speaker 31 You have to chop my house.

Speaker 23 I think, I don't know what y'all think.

Speaker 32 Y'all think I'm going to be able to do this?

Speaker 34 I think you picked the hoodie.

Speaker 4 I think I'm going to pick the hoodie.

Speaker 34 I don't know about the arms, though, man.

Speaker 65 You huge, bro.

Speaker 34 He's too humongous.

Speaker 63 Hold on. Hold on.

Speaker 32 I thought we're getting to this.

Speaker 48 We'll talk about this in the rain.

Speaker 4 I'm ready. I'm ready.

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Speaker 34 um my first dream was to be a singer like Aaliyah. Okay.

Speaker 34 My second dream was to be a mom. My third dream was to be a boxer.

Speaker 32 You've always wanted to be a boxer?

Speaker 63 Yes.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 34 those were like the dreams in order. Before I started boxing, I wanted to be a singer and I wanted to be a mom.

Speaker 34 But at a young age, I started boxing when I was 11 years old. So I think at the age nine or eight people are asking me, like, what do you want to be?

Speaker 34 And I remember saying, like, I wanted to be a mom and I wanted to have 10 kids. That was like a big thing that my family used to laugh at me about.
I still laugh about to this day.

Speaker 32 Do you come from a big family?

Speaker 32 well my mom has four of us and then my dad has like seven okay yeah so you come from a fairly large family so growing up so what what what was what was it about boxing that drew you to the sport me versus you one-on-one

Speaker 34 that's it you know i i i had played basketball i played soccer i ran track cross-country i was doing everything but it was like i hated when they would say oh we got a team trophy but it was second place like i would win a race right but we would still get second place because all the points tallied up and this other team got more.

Speaker 34 Right. You know, and then basketball, they don't want to pass you the ball.
And then, you know, girls get rough with you. You get rough with them back, but I guess I'm too rough.
Right. And then

Speaker 34 I really enjoy cross-country, but I mean, running five miles, three and a half miles a lot of time. Like, who want to do that? Right.
And it just seemed like with boxing,

Speaker 34 it just made me feel really good. Like, I felt very strong.
I had got my first bruise there.

Speaker 32 So you grew up liking the fight.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I liking

Speaker 34 knowing that you said you could beat me up and you said you was better than me. But if I get in the gym and I work hard and me and you fight, I beat you.
I liked it being like, there's nothing you can

Speaker 34 say about me beating you up because that's literally like what happened. Like there's no, people like say, oh, I got robbed, this and that, but it was like, I get in the ring and dominate everybody.

Speaker 34 So it's like.

Speaker 34 You saying you can beat me and I say, okay, let's do it. And it's woman versus woman.

Speaker 34 Or a lot of times growing up, it was me versus a man that's what i'm saying this but in in in boxing okay i understand points if you knock somebody out okay option you win but in a street fight that's a whole different thing so you grew up you grew grew up fighting little girls and little boys yeah yeah up in street fighting yeah yeah that's how i initially got into boxing but I started getting into fights at school because I was being bullied.

Speaker 34 I was never the person to start the fights. I was actually scared to fight when I was younger.

Speaker 34 So my anger drove me to fight after being picked on for a very long time.

Speaker 32 I read that you had like a speech impediment. You didn't talk until you were five, you stuttered until you were nine.

Speaker 42 So, how was it?

Speaker 32 How were you communicating if you're non-verbal?

Speaker 41 You didn't really speak until you were five years of age.

Speaker 32 How do you communicate?

Speaker 34 I used to just cry.

Speaker 34 My mom used to scream at me, like, say what you want. If you're hungry, say you're hungry.
You want to go outside? Say you want to go outside. And I used to just start crying.

Speaker 34 I think it took for me to get taken in by my grandmother, Joanne, who really, who really took her time with me.

Speaker 34 Yeah, who understood me, taught me a little bit of sign language because they thought I was deaf, but I wasn't. I just didn't want to talk.
Okay.

Speaker 34 And did you know you could speak?

Speaker 32 So when you were by yourself, okay, in front of your parents or with your siblings, you didn't say anything.

Speaker 70 But when you were alone, did you speak?

Speaker 74 Did you hear your own voice?

Speaker 32 Did you speak and say anything?

Speaker 34 I was able to think. But as far as in getting it out, it used to take a lot.
So my grandma was very patient with me.

Speaker 34 She put me in a speech impediment class in school, an anger management class also.

Speaker 34 But my grandma was just like, she was sweet, but she was a no-nonsense lady. I feel like I'm a lot like her.

Speaker 30 Right.

Speaker 32 Because the thing is, I had a cousin that stuttered bad, and my grandfather used to always tell him, and not in the nicest way, slow down, start over.

Speaker 34 Slow down, start over.

Speaker 63 Think it. Yeah.

Speaker 34 Then say it. Right.
So I had to get in the, like, you know, when you're emotions, right? You just feel them and you want to get it out. But it was like, you have to feel, think, then talk.

Speaker 41 And the more upset you get, the faster you want to speak and the more you stutter and

Speaker 34 the worse it gets. Yeah, because then you just be sensing them.

Speaker 56 They're like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 34 So for me, I had to get in the concept of that. But when I found journaling,

Speaker 34 to me, it was like, if I could write something that I understand and that you can read, I don't even have to talk to you anyway.

Speaker 65 Exactly.

Speaker 45 So did the kids make fun of you?

Speaker 32 Would you talk in front of kids that once you started communicating at the age of nine,

Speaker 42 would you talk in front of kids?

Speaker 32 Is that something that they made fun of you about?

Speaker 41 Because I had a speech impediment and I would go to speech class and I sounded normal to me.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 47 Because to my ear, I'm like, okay, bro, what is it?

Speaker 44 Why is it that you guys love it?

Speaker 42 What are you saying?

Speaker 44 I'm saying the same thing that you would say, but I didn't get it.

Speaker 38 Right.

Speaker 34 No, so for me,

Speaker 34 that's why I got into a lot of fights. People making fun of me stuttering.

Speaker 34 People making fun of me how I used to talk and how fast I used to talk because my mom talks really fast.

Speaker 34 So it just was a thing of, I started getting into fights for that reason.

Speaker 34 People picking on me about my hair, about my clothes, because I didn't grow up with the best clothes, you know, and stuff like that.

Speaker 34 So that's what made me start fighting to just, I think the first fight I got into, I beat somebody up pretty bad. And I just remember after that, they wanted to be cool.

Speaker 34 Like they left me alone, right?

Speaker 77 Okay, I kind of like, oh, if I whip your tail, you go leave me alone.

Speaker 32 And the world will get around.

Speaker 70 Don't bother Clarissa.

Speaker 34 Don't mess with.

Speaker 34 Listen, the boys know nothing messing with Clarissa. The girls know nothing mess with Clarissa.
Like

Speaker 34 it was a thing, like leave her alone because for some reason, I guess when you're quiet, you become like a, like a victim to people. They feel like they can mess with you.

Speaker 34 So for me, you know, I stay to myself, but people just come up, well, these kids, you know, they're so mean nowadays.

Speaker 34 They used to walk up and copy my work, grab my paper ball it up and throw it away so now the teacher's asking me what happened i'm trying to explain it and then this other kid can speak better than me saying that i'm lying i'm like no i did my work she took my work and bought it up and threw it in the trash so after going through that for a while um i think i think my first fight was when i seen somebody bullying my little sister okay who can talk right and my sister used to beat me up when i was younger so when i seen somebody younger than you she beating you up yeah my sister used to beat me up brianna used used to beat me up.

Speaker 34 Yep.

Speaker 73 But you fell back.

Speaker 47 So they taking your homework.

Speaker 74 Yeah. They're copying your homework.

Speaker 34 Taking it, then balling it up.

Speaker 32 Balling your homework, throw it in the trash. So now when it comes time to turn the homework in, you ain't got no homework.

Speaker 70 They got homework. Yeah.

Speaker 41 You trying to explain the situation.

Speaker 32 And the teacher's like, yeah, this is a situation where the dog ate your homework. I get it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 34 Well, she's believing the other kid because they're getting it out. And I'm stuttering, like,

Speaker 34 and I'm like, you don't know what I just said? Like, she took my stuff, copied it, bought it up, and threw it. And it seemed like that used to aggravate me.

Speaker 34 So I got, I think I threw a chair at a kid before, not a teacher. Damn.

Speaker 34 You had anger issues. I had really bad anger issues when I was a kid.
It took a while. I think probably like

Speaker 34 16, 15, I finally was like, okay, I got control of this. Right.
Yeah, it took a while.

Speaker 32 You mentioned your dad was in prison.

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Speaker 32 You say you didn't see him for the first time until he was nine, until you were nine years of age.

Speaker 41 Yeah. Did you understand?

Speaker 41 Did you know why he went to prison?

Speaker 32 And did you understand that him being incarcerated limited your ability to see him?

Speaker 34 So growing up where I grew up at, nobody really had a dad. So it's like, you don't miss out on something that you dad that don't nobody else have either.
Right.

Speaker 34 So it was like the community, like we all just had our moms, you know, and you can't miss something that you never had. So my dad went to prison when I was two, got out when I was nine.

Speaker 34 And when I met him, I mean, honestly, meeting him gave me a whole new perspective of who I was. Like, my dad laughed really loud.
And I used to wonder, like, why is my laugh so loud?

Speaker 34 You know, why am I so,

Speaker 34 you know, stern and mean? And my dad is the same way. Like, I think I get a lot of my attitude from my dad, and I get my sassiness and my fast Twitch from mom.

Speaker 35 Right.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Did you know who he was when you saw him?

Speaker 34 Yeah, I had seen pictures of him for a long time and we look alike. So I had seen pictures of him and when I met him and he just was, he started talking.

Speaker 34 When my dad first saw me when I was nine, well, he saw me when I was two, but when he saw me again when he got out, he just started crying and smiling real big.

Speaker 34 And he had braids, he had cornrows to the back, and they threw like a big old

Speaker 34 welcome home party for him. And when I and when my dad see me and my sister, he just started crying and he hugged both of us.
And that was probably the first time that I really let a grown man hug me.

Speaker 34 Cause I was more of like,

Speaker 34 don't nobody touch me. But my dad came home hugging me and giving me kisses all the time.
He used to make me kiss him on the lips. I'd be like, ugh.

Speaker 35 You kiss your lips.

Speaker 34 And then I think one day I bought my face up when I kissed him. He said, why you do that? I said, dad, that's like cigarettes.
Like, just, can we kiss on the forehead or something?

Speaker 55 He was like, yeah.

Speaker 34 So now whenever I see my dad, he sees me, we kiss on the forehead.

Speaker 30 We don't kiss him on the lips no more.

Speaker 32 Did the kids make fun of you about your child, about your about your dad being in prison?

Speaker 77 Did anybody know your dad was in prison?

Speaker 34 Nobody cared because nobody had their dad.

Speaker 34 We all was in school and we talked about our moms.

Speaker 35 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 34 Like our mom's going to pick us up. Mom going to parent teacher conferences.
You know, it was our mom that was involved in our life.

Speaker 34 So nobody, like, just like I was saying, like, how can you miss out on something that you never had?

Speaker 34 Now that I had my dad, when my dad did get in my life, I did want to spend more time with him and be around with him more. And, you know, my dad taught me how to run to get in shape for boxing.

Speaker 34 You know, he'd take me, he'd be on his bike or in his car, and every other block he'll have me sprint. He just had his whistle that was so loud and annoying.

Speaker 34 And when he blew the whistle, that's when you sprint, hit it. That's when you sprint.
So my dad would tell me I ran two miles, but really I ran four.

Speaker 34 And my dad was like that.

Speaker 56 He tricked you to run it farther than what you thought you was going.

Speaker 32 Let me ask you a quick. I mean, you're, and I think people that go through things, they are the best people to try to give advice.

Speaker 32 So, what advice would you give young kids dealing with a situation that they have a parent incarcerated and to deal with that?

Speaker 32 That they're not going to be around, they don't know if it's going to be a year, two years, five years.

Speaker 32 Like you said, it was seven years in between two years old and not nine years old and dealing with your dad. How would you advise kids to move forward? Obviously, each situation is different.

Speaker 32 What was some of the advice that you would

Speaker 32 impart on some younger generation, this younger generation?

Speaker 34 For me, I don't think that any of us can control our childhood, you know, because we're kids, you know, but I think that as long as kids understand that

Speaker 34 you make the decisions for your life, whatever, like, I think the younger you start, the better.

Speaker 34 So if you want to be a dentist, a doctor, a scientist, whatever, nurse, you can start that at a very young age.

Speaker 34 And I don't mean like start having a job, but I mean like start making those choices that will get you there. Knowing that when you get to a certain age, nobody controls your life anyway.

Speaker 34 right i mean i moved out when i was about 13 and i was living with my boxing coach so that was a decision that i made because i'm like you know the olympics is in four years so i gotta start getting ready for the olympics so i always tell like my advice is know that it doesn't matter who your parents are or where you come from your life is about your decisions right and i and and i grew up poor So me always believing in, believing in God and getting baptized, but Jeremiah 29, 11, you know, for I got another plans I have for you, plans to give you hope and plans to prosper and have a great future.

Speaker 34 And so that's how I thought about like right now, things may be going bad, but it will get better.

Speaker 34 So I always tell kids, like, listen, whatever you want to be, your life is your life, no matter your situation or your circumstances. You can have crackhead parents,

Speaker 34 you know, parents who abuse alcohol, drugs, whatever, but how you decide to make your life is on you. And when it turns out good, you can say you made the right decisions.

Speaker 34 You know, that would be my advice.

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Speaker 32 Your mom, you mentioned your mom, your mom had a drinking problem battle addiction.

Speaker 32 What was that like?

Speaker 41 I mean, because like little girls, a lot of times little girls want to be just like their mom. They, you know,

Speaker 41 hair, that ain't what you that ain't what.

Speaker 32 You said your life really turned around when you went and lived with your grandmother.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 70 Was that your maternal grandmother? That was your mom's mom?

Speaker 59 Yeah, yeah, my mom's mom. Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 42 can you contrast the differences between your mom is normal,

Speaker 32 she's not intoxicated or she's not under the influence as opposed to her just walking around being normal?

Speaker 34 Well, my mom is a lot like me, but she's way more quiet. My mom don't hug people.
She's really quiet.

Speaker 34 She don't say much. She just kind of observes everything.
And she's very sassy. She's very sassy, okay?

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 sometimes she can be a pushover. You know, sometimes what to her friends and people that's close to her, she'll be pushovers.

Speaker 34 But when she get,

Speaker 34 when she gets that liquor in there, she Mike Tyson.

Speaker 52 What?

Speaker 35 I'm telling you the truth.

Speaker 34 Listen, my mama will knock you inside your head quicker than you can.

Speaker 34 Hey, listen, if you did something to her when she was sober,

Speaker 34 when she used to drink, she'll let you know. And it could be a month ago, two months ago, you've been and forgot it even happened.
Maybe she called you. You ain't answer the phone.
Maybe

Speaker 34 you did something to her. And I'm telling you, she gonna remind you when she get that stuff in her.

Speaker 34 And if you around, she gonna go upside your head. She goes inside your head with that, with that cane she got.

Speaker 34 Listen, my mama will hit you

Speaker 34 She ran up ran over one time with that cane.

Speaker 34 I said mama chill out for real, you know, but my mom, but that's the difference though like when she's when she used to drink she used to get real real aggressive real me and she can and my mom can really fight like she'll she can

Speaker 34 so you get it from your mama for real though huh my mom and my dad used to underground street fight with my mama she like

Speaker 34 I don't know, it's like she starts the fights, kind of like my little sister. You know, like they be starting the fights, and I'm like, what's wrong with y'all, man?

Speaker 34 But that's the difference. So my mom, you know,

Speaker 34 it took

Speaker 34 for, I think, when I turned 17 and I won the Olympics, my mom completely stopped drinking. You know, she stopped drinking.

Speaker 34 She became more like, now she liked to hug me sometime, all that stuff. But she never was like that.

Speaker 30 Wow.

Speaker 34 When I won the Olympics, I feel like it made her feel like she...

Speaker 34 Yeah, yeah, she did something good.

Speaker 32 And I want her to know that she did do something good and that I turned out to be all right, even though my childhood wasn't all that great have you ever had a conversation with your mom about what transpired in your childhood and what went on you had a conversation with her so so what did she say did she apologize like carissa i'm sorry i know um i did the best i could um i might have not been the best mom but i just i just want you to know that i loved you and i'm proud of you well

Speaker 59 when i was five and i had got you know you got us the the the r word yes um

Speaker 34 you know family don't talk about that stuff for a long time so when it happened to me when I was five, we didn't talk about it until I was 16, almost 17.

Speaker 34 So when we talked about it, me growing up as a kid and being taken in by my grandmother and living with my grandmother most of my childhood after being five,

Speaker 34 what I knew and what I felt, I guess,

Speaker 59 was like...

Speaker 34 Was it inaccurate or was it emotionally flawed? I don't know, but I felt that she picked the abuser over me. And I grew up with that in me for a lot of years.

Speaker 32 I was a resentment towards your mom.

Speaker 62 Yeah, for a long time.

Speaker 50 Did you tell him?

Speaker 34 Well,

Speaker 34 I told my aunt, and my aunt told my grandma, that's how I got taken by my grandma.

Speaker 101 But

Speaker 34 from my knowledge,

Speaker 34 I thought that I had to move with my grandma because my mom chose him.

Speaker 34 That was what I...

Speaker 4 That's what you interpreted it as.

Speaker 34 Yes, because, you know, they say keep kids out of grown folks' business. So

Speaker 34 I'm just with my grandma.

Speaker 34 So I go from being around four or five kids every day my brothers and my sisters to now with my grandma and just me and her you know how it is with grandma yeah grandma straight grandma grandma just cook and you watch movies and you don't go outside much a grandma is you know yeah she's grandma absolutely you know and so um that was how i interpreted it so when it finally got when i was like 16 i'm doing all these interviews

Speaker 34 getting ready for the olympics i just beat the world champion mary spencer's a lot going on and they kept asking me like you know who are you how was your upbringing and i just was like like listen i had a rough upbringing but that's all over now i'm about to win the olympics right but for some people interviewing you like that's not enough

Speaker 34 right so they kept digging

Speaker 34 yeah so they kept digging and digging and i was like i don't want to tell anybody about what happened to me because one i don't want to make my mom look bad but then but but then two

Speaker 34 if my in my mind if my mom you know, didn't believe me or took his side, then what I'm going to look like telling the world that and they don't take my side, you know, or or or they don't understand or believe me so I spoke with my mom about it and you know she let me know she's like she told me she broke up with that guy after a year after it happened she couldn't believe it she never chose him over me I moved my grandma because he threatened to kill me that's how I moved my grandma so my grandma like I said she's very stern and she ain't gonna play with you so my grandma took me in just to keep him from harming me also too he got beat up by a lot of my cousins he got he got jumped on he got I heard he got pistol whipped a whole bunch of stuff happened to him So it was a thing of like all this grown folk stuff is going on and me as a kid I didn't know so when I turned 16 my mama told me and yes she apologized you know she apologized let me know know that she loved me that it was okay to talk about it and get it out and me being able to talk about it is what made me feel um

Speaker 51 Feel like a way to lift it up.

Speaker 34 It was a way off my shoulders. It really was because it was like a deep secret that I was hiding.
And I just remember kind of like

Speaker 34 i don't know if i was blaming myself or what but it was like dang i always felt like you know like

Speaker 34 like i wasn't good enough to be with my siblings be with my mom but i'm i'm grateful for my grandmother because she i mean taught me how to clean up you know uh shower keep your clothes together fold your clothes hang your clothes up um told me how to cook You know, like, my grandma.

Speaker 41 You already talked about you wanted 10 kids.

Speaker 32 So she's like, well, you want 10 kids?

Speaker 34 My grandma wanted me to sing. My grandma used to always give me mic sets for Christmas and try to make me sing and stuff.
But I was always shy because I would sing in front of her.

Speaker 34 But when it came, like, you know, like when the family came in, grabbing me together, like, Clarissa, get up there and sing. Nah, I ain't doing that.
My grandma used to be like, Coco, I said sing.

Speaker 34 I'm like, oh, so that was your nickname, Coco. Coco.
That's why I wear it on my shorts. Okay.
On my shorts, yep.

Speaker 32 I think I read where you said that your mom would get intoxicated sometimes and you would walk around for days looking for her.

Speaker 34 Yeah, we have to go get her, yeah.

Speaker 32 Did, I mean, you a child, Clarissa. I mean, do you really like,

Speaker 41 did you realize at the time, I'm a child, that this wasn't normal.

Speaker 32 And I understand that you said most kids in Flint didn't have their father, but there most kids in Flint probably wasn't walking around the neighborhood trying to find their mom either.

Speaker 34 Well, it's me and my sister. And I'm the second oldest out of my siblings.
So I have a big brother who's four years older than me, but I'm like his big sister, too. He called me his little big sister.

Speaker 34 Right. So I've always kind of like been the oldest.
So when it comes to our mom, my job has always been to protect her.

Speaker 34 So if she gone for a couple days and we don't know where she at and we don't know about her safety, we're not going to call the police and stuff.

Speaker 34 We get out there on the streets and we and we go find her. And it was always a thing of, see, my sister spent more time with mom than me.

Speaker 34 So I would tell her, think of your memory, what houses y'all went to and what streets? Because Flint ain't that big.

Speaker 23 Right.

Speaker 34 Flint, 10 minutes north, 10 minutes south. 10 minutes east.

Speaker 34 So you can walk around a whole flint probably within four hours right just walking around and hit the whole and hit the whole thing so um

Speaker 34 that's just how we used to go get her and when we go get her everybody knew like

Speaker 34 i was real mean

Speaker 34 i was real mean like i was real mean i was rough and i would fight you so people knew like hey

Speaker 34 She here to get yeah, I'm here to get I'm here to get my mama and I go on there I get her and we go home and and like I say, you know, but she was grown she was always good, but it was more of a thing like

Speaker 34 it was my job, you know.

Speaker 34 I mean, sadly, it was my job, and I wouldn't choose anybody else, but my mama, like my mama was, she's a great, she's a great person, you know, she just dealt with something that she couldn't, she couldn't defeat at the time.

Speaker 32 Do you think that's one of the reasons why you're as resilient as you are is because of the things that you had to overcome in your own childhood?

Speaker 34 Absolutely. That's why I have a no back down attitude.

Speaker 34 I don't take disrespect. I know that mentally I'm tougher than a lot of people.
I know heart,

Speaker 34 the heart that I got, other people don't got it in them, that they couldn't survive.

Speaker 34 People talk about me inside the ring, you know, but outside the ring, I know that you guys, people couldn't make it through what I made it through.

Speaker 34 And then when they come inside the ring, and then that carries, I got a no-quit attitude. I'm very tough.
I'm very skilled. I'm mean in there.
And I don't take no for an answer. I don't back down.
So

Speaker 34 I know that with all of that together combined with hard work and prayer, that that's why I'm undefeated and unbeatable.

Speaker 32 Growing up, did you cook as a child?

Speaker 41 Did you learn that?

Speaker 32 Or did you, once you got older and had to cook? Because I read that your mom used to sell to fuel her addiction, that she would sell the food stamps.

Speaker 73 So now that makes it.

Speaker 34 You need to research.

Speaker 41 That makes that makes it very, very difficult for you to get food because you're reliant on that assistance. And now, man, what are we going to eat?

Speaker 32 And you have to make something out of nothing.

Speaker 34 Listen, when we didn't have food stamps, I wasn't really that good at cooking back then. I probably hadn't had an idea from watching my grandma.

Speaker 34 But me and my sister, my brother, used to split a pack of Raymond noodles. We would break it down to four pieces.
We'll cook it. And that's how we used to do it.

Speaker 34 I used to go without eating a whole lot to make sure that they ate. Wow.
So that was it. But like I said, I'm the big sister, though.

Speaker 34 So it's not a thing of, I kind of felt like once again, like that's my job. Like I just moved my little sister to Atlanta, her and her three kids, what, two weeks ago?

Speaker 34 She has an apartment five minutes from me now.

Speaker 34 Like it's, I don't know, it's not, it's not my job to

Speaker 34 take care of them, but it's my job to make sure that everybody is good, if that makes sense.

Speaker 32 That's normally the oldest, the oldest daughter. She normally takes on the mother's role.

Speaker 32 My mom is the oldest, and so when my grandmother, she, my grandmother would go to the fields with my grandfather, it was my mom's job to raise the other kids.

Speaker 42 You took that on.

Speaker 32 Okay, my mom's not here. Now I got to be the mom.
I've got to make sure they're dressed, get them ready for school. I've got to make sure I got to, I've got to find.

Speaker 34 I just want everybody to turn out all right. You know what I'm saying? Everybody ain't going to be famous.
How did you,

Speaker 47 where did that come from?

Speaker 34 I mean, I just love my siblings and they loved me before I had anything. I think me and my sister are the complete opposite, but it's needed.
It's needed.

Speaker 34 You know, I'm like sunlight and she like darkness, you know.

Speaker 34 But I think that, you know, before my fights, if my sister don't call me or she not in the back room, I don't really feel like the beast that I am.

Speaker 34 Like she's seen the beast before the makeup and the hair.

Speaker 34 And I always like for her to remind me of that. And sometimes she in the back room, she like, hey, if you don't whoop her ass, I'm whooping your ass.

Speaker 65 I'd be like, all right.

Speaker 34 Even though you can't beat me up no more, but it still sounds good.

Speaker 34 You know, so.

Speaker 32 So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 77 Like, when you were like hungry, did you eat a lot at school?

Speaker 60 Because I mean,

Speaker 65 school lunches.

Speaker 31 We definitely relied on bang, though.

Speaker 34 We definitely relied on the school, school lunch. And listen, I have friends.
I'd be like, hey, man, let me borrow a dollar.

Speaker 57 I'll pay you back.

Speaker 34 And some of my friends still be like, you know, you owe me a dollar and 25 cents from when I bought you some pieces. I'd be like, I really don't remember.

Speaker 32 Your grandmother passed away.

Speaker 32 Do you remember where you were when you got the news that your grandmother had passed?

Speaker 32 And I can just imagine, because I I know I had my grandmother for 43 years and I still remember it to this day like it was yesterday when my sister called and said Shannon Granny's gone so what because the woman that gave you basically everything but life she took you in when you were at your most vulnerable when you were at your lowest and she helped you become the woman that we see sitting here today talking to me

Speaker 49 um

Speaker 34 you're gonna i can't think about you know my grandma was my best friend and when she passed it it really

Speaker 34 it really hurt my heart. You know, I really wanted to go with her, you know, because I was just like, I got to be stuck here with the rest of this stupid family.
And she was the best one to me.

Speaker 59 I wear cocoa on my shorts for her.

Speaker 34 I wear the Betty Boop socks. I try to carry her memory and, you know, hold myself

Speaker 34 to a high standard, you know, but my grandma was.

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Speaker 34 She was everything to me. And where was I at when she passed?

Speaker 34 I had just seen her two weeks prior, and I knew she was about to pass.

Speaker 16 She had cancer, right?

Speaker 34 She fought cancer like four times, had overcame it, then they kept coming back. And this time, I guess it took over her.

Speaker 34 It took over everything, basically. And I just remember

Speaker 34 I seen her two weeks before she passed and she was like um

Speaker 34 you know she was my granny was really really really really funny and sarcastic but she told me she said Coco when I when I die make sure they bury me you know bury me

Speaker 34 you know face down and I was like what she was like yeah so everybody can kiss my ass

Speaker 34 I mean I was I think I cried that day when she was telling me that

Speaker 34 but I remember when she said it, I started laughing and she was like, for real, Coco, she said, at my funeral, listen, don't be letting everybody come up and kiss a hug on me.

Speaker 34 She said, you know, I ain't like people. Like, I don't like these people.

Speaker 28 I said, grandma, you got to stop.

Speaker 34 You're not going nowhere. And then,

Speaker 34 but she passed probably two years before I won the Olympics, but she, but she knew I was going. She knew I was getting prepared for it.
She kept my robe hanging outside her house.

Speaker 34 I had a gold robe that said T-Rex on it. And,

Speaker 34 you know, just,

Speaker 34 I never really mourned my grandma passing

Speaker 34 until a few years ago because it was too hard to deal with. But her birthday is coming up November 5th, 6th, and she passed away December 21st.

Speaker 34 So November 5th, I think November 5th or 6th, one of them days, we're gonna celebrate her birthday. I always had the family come.
We gonna do a big, we're gonna do a big dinner.

Speaker 34 And then on her day that she went to be with the Lord, December 21st, we let off balloons and everybody said what's their best memory of her. And we all got some funny memories with grandma.

Speaker 34 And I can say that I was a favorite. You know,

Speaker 34 my grandma loved me. And

Speaker 34 she let me know back then, you know, that

Speaker 34 I was worth the trouble. You know, she let me know that even though I was different, that she was always talking about equal rights and equal pay for women.

Speaker 34 This is when I first got in the boxing. And I really didn't understand why she was preaching it so much to me, but she was always on it.
And it kind of prepared me for when I turned pro.

Speaker 34 for the inequality that we have to go through and all the fights and the challenges that I had to overcome. I feel like she mentally

Speaker 34 prepared me because the stuff that she was saying, I kind of was like jotting down in my head as notes.

Speaker 34 So, and it really helped me and the amateurs to get equal pay for the women who was on the Olympic team.

Speaker 34 So it really helped them, but it's just something that she kind of instilled in me, like instilled in me on stand on your word, finish what you start.

Speaker 34 Losers never quit and quitters never win. Like my grandma still allotted me, you know, and she just was like, always,

Speaker 34 hey, try to talk it out, but if you, but if you can't, lay him out.

Speaker 34 Hey, if you can't talk it out, lay him out. And I was, and I'm a true believer in that.
I think that I try to squash a whole lot of beef with people. And it's like, you know what?

Speaker 34 We ain't, you just got to fight. This ain't going to work.

Speaker 35 We can't get along.

Speaker 59 We're going to get it on.

Speaker 34 Get it on. Let's go.

Speaker 59 Clarissa, you've overcome a lot.

Speaker 32 I mean, in backdrop and researching you and reading your story, you tried to commit suicide twice at 13 and 16.

Speaker 42 What was going on so bad in your life that you say, you know what?

Speaker 42 It's better if I go someplace else than have to deal with what I'm dealing with here?

Speaker 34 You know what? I think that at 13 I was just angry, you know, kind of confused about like, why am I a kid having to go through all of this stuff? You know, but I think at 16,

Speaker 34 when I tried to do it, it was simply because

Speaker 34 Heck, I thought my chance to go to the Olympics was over.

Speaker 34 It wasn't because I was still undefeated, but I think two or three weeks before this big tournament to fight my way to the Olympics, my mom, you know, being intoxicated, a door fell and hit me right on the eye, like a corner.

Speaker 34 It fell, like it was off the hinges and it fell. It made my eye real big.
I couldn't see out of it. And this tournament was up in three weeks, and this was my only chance to make it to

Speaker 34 the Olympics.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 that's when I was like, if I can't go to the, if I can't fight my way up out of here and I got to stay here because this this didn't happen,

Speaker 34 you know,

Speaker 34 I would rather just, you know, just go. And I was, I was going to, I was going to cut my wrist and I was in a closet and I called one of my friends.

Speaker 34 Well, I was, I made a post on Facebook or something. And one of my close friends, Aaliyah, called me and she was like, whatever you're thinking about doing, don't do it.
She was my best friend.

Speaker 34 She still is with my best friends now. And

Speaker 34 I was in my closet and she was like, going, well, I was sitting down. She was like, go in the closet, go and go and pray.
She's like, like, what are you doing? I'm like, listen, I got this knife.

Speaker 34 I'm like, I'm tired of being here. Like, if I can't fight my way up out of here,

Speaker 34 I'm not about to live like this. It's over with.
And she was like, go in your closet and pray. And she spoke to me on the phone for hours.
And I fell asleep in the closet, woke up, I

Speaker 63 still

Speaker 34 big as hell. And I just remember.

Speaker 34 My mom being she was sober now. She came, you know, and asked me what happened to my eye.
And I was like,

Speaker 34 you did it. The door hit me in the face when you was acting crazy or whatever.
And then I just remember from there. And then my coach came and he was like, we're going to have to ice this.

Speaker 34 You may not be able to go to the tournament or blah, blah.

Speaker 34 And I believe the first, I think my eye stopped being black maybe a day before that tournament started or the day of, but it was like, I still went and fought five days back to back to back and fought my way to the Olympics.

Speaker 34 And that's all I really wanted to do, you know, at 16.

Speaker 32 I don't think

Speaker 32 looking at it and people that go through obviously when people decide to take their own life is because they're in a lot of pain but I think I don't think they realize the pain that they're in imagine that the pain that you do to the people that's left behind no absolutely because they're asking questions what is it what was going on so bad and now for the rest of their lives, they're asking these questions and they're having to deal with the pain that you thought that you couldn't overcome.

Speaker 34 I think that too. When I was that young, I felt like I didn't know what depression was.

Speaker 34 You know, we all know what sadness is and when we're mad, but we don't know what depression is.

Speaker 34 And, you know, depression is when you're having them suicidal thoughts, them bad thoughts, you know, them,

Speaker 34 like for me, when I went through depression, it was like I, I'm always a big advocate for myself and always speaking positive and up and uplifting.

Speaker 34 And then it's like, when you get depressed, that same voice that was being uplifting and that was being positive, now it's being negative. Now it's being, and then it's, and then it's your voice.

Speaker 34 And that's what was hard for me to deal with. But once I, like I said, figured out, listen, you know, things,

Speaker 34 every day is not going to be a sunny day, right? But that doesn't mean that it's like mud either. You know, so I had to.

Speaker 34 differentiate that and then just

Speaker 34 know that listen it gets better it's I mean I always tell myself when I'm going through something, I'm like, there's somebody going through something worse. I always tell myself that.

Speaker 34 And people, when they come to me with a problem, I say, you know what? It's somebody doing worse than you. And they think I'm being sarcastic.
I'm like, I'm for real.

Speaker 34 It's somebody doing way worse than you.

Speaker 34 I've seen somebody sleeping under a bridge

Speaker 34 with a cover with dirty clothes on. At least you went somebody's house.
and you able to lay down and get and you know get some food.

Speaker 34 They out there sleeping on the concrete and asking people strangers for money.

Speaker 34 There's always someone doing worse than you. And I always try to tell myself that when I feel like things are getting hard.
And I tell people that who come to me complaining about things being hard.

Speaker 32 You go to the Olympics, okay, obviously the swelling goes down, your eyes is okay, and you go to the Olympics and you said you had to fight five consecutive days and you won and you make your way to the Olympics.

Speaker 59 I'm going to the Olympics.

Speaker 32 Lifelong dreams, it's a culmination, but I just don't want to go. I want to bring that gold medal back.

Speaker 70 Absolutely.

Speaker 32 So now you switch it, like, okay,

Speaker 32 I got to do this.

Speaker 59 I got to do this.

Speaker 70 So now,

Speaker 32 what's your mindset?

Speaker 34 I mean, it was no other option for me. I don't think I would have lived flying home with a silver or a bronze medal.

Speaker 59 I don't think I could have made it. Or no medal.

Speaker 34 Yeah,

Speaker 34 I don't think I would have been able to,

Speaker 34 because it was my dream since I was 13 years old to go to the Olympics. So now that it's finally here, I'm at the Olympics.
I'm like, yo, this is,

Speaker 34 it was really, it was really surreal.

Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 all I remember thinking is everyone around me, even close on the USA team, was doubting me because of my age.

Speaker 34 But I had the best skills, I had the most power, and I was the most determined, and I was one of the hardest workers. And I was like, I'm going to win this gold medal.

Speaker 34 And having my coach, Jason Crushfield, with me,

Speaker 57 man.

Speaker 32 You know you couldn't lose if he did.

Speaker 34 Okay, listen, it's impossible.

Speaker 34 It was impossible then, and it's impossible now.

Speaker 34 He comes to my fights now. I make sure that he got tickets and stuff, but Jason,

Speaker 34 when I tell you, like a mass scientist with boxing, and not only that, he was a mass scientist with me. He knows how my brain works.

Speaker 34 He knows what to say, when to say it. He knows how to communicate with me, even if I can't hear.

Speaker 34 If I can't see, if, listen, they keep me holding up, covering my eye because I can't see. And they'd be like, how many fingers you got up? He'll figure out a way to make me say two,

Speaker 34 even though i don't see nothing right like he just is a mad scientist and i mean the way that he trained me the belief that we had in in in in each other really made my first olympic run i mean it was it was hard don't get me wrong but

Speaker 34 we dominated you know and i always say we because i don't think i could have done it without you without him and before my grandmother passed she told me she said whatever you do you keep on listening to that jason she always told me you always listen to him even though when i I was having a bad time or I was in a bad mood, she said,

Speaker 34 whatever Jason says, that's what you do. Always listen to Jason.
My grandma was a big, she was a big advocate of him.

Speaker 51 Did you,

Speaker 32 you lost the amateur, but that was before the Olympics or after the Olympics?

Speaker 59 Before. Before.

Speaker 32 That was in China?

Speaker 77 Where were we?

Speaker 34 China. Shinguandao, China.

Speaker 41 But he didn't go then.

Speaker 34 Nope, he couldn't make it for financial purposes. He didn't have no money.

Speaker 32 But let me ask you a question. Had he been there, do you believe you lose that fight?

Speaker 34 Nah, I don't believe I would have lost. Because we would have done our homework.
We wouldn't have knew how tall she was. We wouldn't have knew who was the judges.

Speaker 34 He made sure he did his homework all the time. And we always had a game plan.

Speaker 34 You know, he never let me get comfortable. He's like, yeah,

Speaker 34 this fight was good, but next fight, you got to fix X, Y, Z.

Speaker 34 You know, so, um,

Speaker 34 but you know what?

Speaker 34 Even though I feel like I didn't lose that fight against her and the amateurs,

Speaker 34 I feel like it was needed. I never asked God to be undefeated and to win a gold medal.
You got to be very specific with your prayers.

Speaker 34 I asked God that I said, listen,

Speaker 34 I want a chance to fight for an Olympic gold medal. I didn't say I wanted to be undefeated or unscathed or anything.
I just say I want to fight for the gold medal.

Speaker 34 So this was a tournament before the Olympic gold medal. And I feel like, well, before the Olympics.
So I feel like had

Speaker 34 I not lost,

Speaker 34 then I would have lost at the Olympics.

Speaker 34 So it was like, I can take that defeat because it built a different, it built a different fire in me. Like it wasn't even just toward her, you know, like towards Savannah.

Speaker 34 It was like, I literally want to bite off all y'all heads. Like, I want to get so in shape and I want to get so strong that

Speaker 34 even when we get to the Olympics, that if the ref don't stop the fight, I knock you out or I beat you so bad to where you quit. Like I got in really great shape.
for the Olympics.

Speaker 34 And I lost that fight three weeks, three months before the Olympics. And I mean, for three months, I ran

Speaker 34 six miles one day, four miles the next, six miles the next day, four miles the next, six, four, six, four.

Speaker 34 Went to the gym twice a day, sparred four or five times a week. Like, I was a dog, and that's what that loss is.

Speaker 78 This has never happened again.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I'm like, this has never happened again. That's why now I still train like a dog now.

Speaker 101 It's like, I'm always feeling like, training like I'm the underdog.

Speaker 34 Like, like, I don't, like, like I have everything to fight for and nothing to lose. Like, that's how I,

Speaker 34 that's how I train, you know, but that happened then. And I was like, you know what?

Speaker 34 It made me a better fighter and it made me just want to hurt people more, which is part of my job.

Speaker 32 It seems like you take the most pleasure out of that part right there.

Speaker 34 Yeah, yeah. People get hitting their face, Shannon.

Speaker 34 And you're hitting their face, man. People be talking too much.
Listen, listen.

Speaker 45 They'll be selling the fight, Clarissa. They don't meet rich.
What?

Speaker 34 No, no, no.

Speaker 70 They got to be selling. They got to sell it.

Speaker 34 Mike Tyson said everybody got a game plan so they get hit in the mouth.

Speaker 34 And you know what?

Speaker 34 A lot of these internet folks that be on the internet doing this stuff, they wouldn't be doing that if we can reach through that phone and just give them a

Speaker 34 give them a good old.

Speaker 32 Do you be wanting to tell some of the people on the internet say glove up?

Speaker 59 I do.

Speaker 34 But you know, I have, though.

Speaker 35 I have.

Speaker 34 You know, a troll put up on me one time.

Speaker 34 She got the hands.

Speaker 102 Hold on, you be.

Speaker 76 Come on, Clarissa.

Speaker 34 Nah, man.

Speaker 45 No, I don't.

Speaker 34 Come on. No, I don't, no, I don't.
Listen, first of all, the gym is a sanctuary.

Speaker 70 That's your home.

Speaker 34 So while I'm training and getting ready, it's best you keep the internet beef on the internet.

Speaker 34 Don't ever come to where I'm at where I'm getting ready for a real world championship fight, fighting for millions of dollars. You want to come and pull up on me talking that trash to me face to face.

Speaker 34 Oh, no, you wanted your ass whooped, and I'm going to give you just what you want.

Speaker 45 That woman ain't had no skills, though.

Speaker 34 She said she was a boxer.

Speaker 34 She said she could be being a fighter.

Speaker 15 I'm an astronaut.

Speaker 34 But you know what? No, this girl had been trolling me for two years. Now, you know, when somebody trolls you so much that you recognize their face? Yeah.
That was a situation like that.

Speaker 34 It wasn't just no random.

Speaker 45 So when she pulled up at the gym, you knew exactly who she was.

Speaker 63 I said, what the hell is the hell going on with me here?

Speaker 34 I thought I got set up.

Speaker 34 I said, man, wait a minute. What's going on?

Speaker 34 And then I seen her, I said,

Speaker 30 I walked right up to her.

Speaker 28 I said, what the hell are you doing here?

Speaker 34 She was like, I told you, I'm going to give you that work.

Speaker 103 I'm coming out.

Speaker 34 She's like, she said, I'm here to knock you out. Let's go.
I said,

Speaker 50 what?

Speaker 50 In my time, speaking of you said, yes.

Speaker 34 Now, in my mind, I was like, what? But I told her off the jump I wasn't going to spar with her. I said, man, I'm not sparring you, man.
Get out.

Speaker 34 Get out of my gym. I'm finna train.
I got, and it was a sparring day. I had two dudes there waiting for me to spar with them.
I had six rounds of one and three with the other one.

Speaker 34 I'm like, man, I ain't got, I'm not about to spar you. Gone.
I'm about to spar these dudes. And she was like, got the being disrespectful, cussing me out.
I started cussing her out.

Speaker 34 and get the ring before I knew it.

Speaker 59 I just was like, well, glove on up then.

Speaker 34 I said, I ain't got nothing else to say. Go glove on up.
She gloved up. I gloved up.
Fight over at 30 seconds.

Speaker 77 You knocked out?

Speaker 101 I beat the hell out of her.

Speaker 34 She quit.

Speaker 34 She quit. I hit her with a big shot.

Speaker 34 She went down.

Speaker 34 No, she was like covering up. I hit her with a big bite shot.
And I hit her in the head again. Then she like started.
Doing something.

Speaker 34 I don't know if she was like taking a knee or what, but she stopped fighting back. And you know, me as a fighter, we don't fight folks who don't fight back.
No,

Speaker 34 did I want to grab her and do some more stuff to her? Yes. But the sportsmanship and the classiness in me said, Let me let this girl go ahead and live and get her on the fight here.

Speaker 34 Yeah, but you know what? I would love to do that to a bunch of girls that were talking trash, though.

Speaker 34 I mean, if they ever want to come to the gym and spark with me, I get in there with them just to make them be like, you disrespectful. You need to get in your mouth.

Speaker 41 No, have mercy. I can't believe you.

Speaker 35 I can.

Speaker 74 I believe it.

Speaker 45 I know you do.

Speaker 34 Shannon, we live in a world today,

Speaker 34 too many folks is okay with being disrespectful.

Speaker 63 Too many folks.

Speaker 34 Yeah, they are. And I'm in a sport that where, listen, you talk it, then you walk it.
That's what opponents do. I don't even want to talk trash back and forth with you.
We ain't going to fight.

Speaker 34 It don't even make sense. That's why a lot of the internet beef, I'd be like, you know what? Let me go ahead and just sit this one out because she's not going to fight me.

Speaker 34 She's going to get on here every day, make subliminals, make posts, talk trash she she ain't really trying to see me no she ain't trying to see me because when i when i take this jacket off these traps and everything about big as yours

Speaker 34 man you know right now you see my shoulders

Speaker 32 yeah yeah you win the you win the first american woman to win olympic gold medal at 17.

Speaker 30 yeah

Speaker 34 i brought it too

Speaker 62 i keep my stuff on me that's that gold baby yeah that's the first one uh-huh this was in london in 2012 yeah and then you go back to followed up in Rio in 2016.

Speaker 22 That's Rio. Uh-huh.

Speaker 34 Yeah. And they're heavy.
And they're heavy.

Speaker 35 That's why I don't wear them. Yeah.

Speaker 34 Keep them in that purse. And that's Chanelle.

Speaker 42 So did you, when you get back, did you go back?

Speaker 47 So you go back to school and you a gold medalist?

Speaker 57 Yeah,

Speaker 34 in the 12th grade.

Speaker 50 You're in high school, so you...

Speaker 79 I was popular.

Speaker 64 You were popular?

Speaker 55 Yeah, I was popular.

Speaker 32 All the guys wanted to holler at you.

Speaker 48 They didn't get me.

Speaker 45 They wanted to holler at you.

Speaker 34 They've been trying to holler before before to make up in the hair.

Speaker 35 Been trying to holler.

Speaker 45 They're trying to get at you like that, Carissa?

Speaker 75 Listen, oh, so Coco, oh, so that's why.

Speaker 35 Coco had him hot.

Speaker 34 Coco was hot as you know. But no, I was always too like, I was like,

Speaker 34 up in school, I was the jock, I was in honors classes, like I was a smart kid, I was famous. I had a documentary crew following me around,

Speaker 34 so it was more of a everybody knew me,

Speaker 34 and

Speaker 34 I was still at the time, I was at the time only thing i was confident about was boxing so i spoke highly about about boxing how i knock people out beat them up but i wasn't into the whole the glam the real clothes and whole

Speaker 34 yeah because i was in a gym full of guys and all we cared about is who got a who got around the track faster right who sweated the most who hit the butt back harder and who won and sparring that's what we cared about we didn't nobody was like oh rest you didn't have your lashes done today right or rest you got you know um

Speaker 34 you like, oh, you're sweaty, and like your hair's in the afro. Nobody, right? Nobody cared.
I mean, they had seen me look that look that same way from the time I was 11 till I was 17.

Speaker 34 I mean, I went to Olympics and wore the queen Latifa Cleo brace to the back. Like, I wasn't trying to be no glam model, I was just trying to

Speaker 34 fight and win. That's all that really mattered to me.

Speaker 41 But your coach wouldn't like you to have a boyfriend.

Speaker 104 No,

Speaker 65 you wanted a boyfriend?

Speaker 52 I had a boyfriend.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 68 how you pour that out without him knowing?

Speaker 35 Well, lying

Speaker 35 duh

Speaker 34 but i think of my biopic i had the boyfriend i had we had been together since i was 15 16 till i was probably about 22 21.

Speaker 4 damn that was a long time i was a relationship type person i mean you hey you hey he was with you when you you was i mean

Speaker 34 yeah but you know how these young boys is

Speaker 50 Y'all the same age.

Speaker 34 But you know how these young boys is.

Speaker 34 And like I said, I was very stern. I don't play none of that.
And I'm all, and I'm always too like a girl.

Speaker 34 Like, if it's ever, if it's ever a thing between me and another woman, I'm gonna always tell you to go with the other woman. Yeah, because the fact you've had thought, you thought about that?

Speaker 34 You thought about me with another woman in your mind?

Speaker 51 You thought, oh, who should I pick?

Speaker 34 Please don't pick me because I'm a dog you.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I'm a dog. You just, oh, oh, you think you like me and her? You want to fight with me and her? You want to lie to both of us?

Speaker 104 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 34 I'm going to dog you.

Speaker 59 Oh, come on. Don't be like that.
Nuh-uh.

Speaker 34 Got to give it to them how they want it.

Speaker 34 But that's why it was like, I'm more of a, I can't be no,

Speaker 34 I found out early on that I can't be a pimp. Like, like, I can't be like a girl to have multiple guys and date them.

Speaker 32 You're a one-guy woman.

Speaker 41 That's it.

Speaker 34 I don't want to have multiple men, and I don't want multiple men having me

Speaker 34 and having somebody else. Like, no.

Speaker 39 But you're going to feel some type of way.

Speaker 104 Oh, no, I'm going to get rid of you.

Speaker 35 Don't play that.

Speaker 34 Oh, Lord. It's me or look, it's me or nothing.
Okay, so you like me, we together and we're making this work.

Speaker 34 If you want to go out and cheat and stuff, I'm like, we don't got to be exclusive because I'm turning on all types of people.

Speaker 32 Yeah, yeah, because they tried to get a Coco, too. Now, I just put them though.

Speaker 34 Yeah.

Speaker 74 You know, I could have the roster too, but I chose you.

Speaker 34 But exactly. So that's why I'd be like, back then, I was like, nah,

Speaker 34 this ain't that. So he was there at the beginning, but he just.

Speaker 70 Did he try to come back?

Speaker 34 I ain't going to put his business out there.

Speaker 23 Yeah, he tried to come back.

Speaker 34 He gotta come back. But you know what? I don't think that no guy who I've ever been with has not, I've always broken up with them.
I've never got broken up with. I've always broken up with them.

Speaker 34 So I feel like no guy I've ever been with has ever been like,

Speaker 34 oh, if I tried to get back with them or they won't get back with me, like they always tried to. So, I mean, but I don't blame them.

Speaker 30 I'm fine as hell.

Speaker 34 Fine as hell, popping.

Speaker 52 Dick.

Speaker 30 Natural.

Speaker 65 I don't blame them.

Speaker 4 Are you the first person in your family to graduate high school?

Speaker 30 No.

Speaker 38 My mom graduated.

Speaker 103 My grandmother,

Speaker 65 my uncle.

Speaker 34 Out of my siblings, I'm the first.

Speaker 34 Out of my siblings. And my little brother got his GED.
He's the youngest. Right.
And I believe my older brother got his GED when he was in prison because he did. He did a bit, too.

Speaker 32 So, I mean, you're the first. I mean, think about it.
You're the first of your siblings to get a high school, and you mentioned the others are going back and get a GED.

Speaker 32 But was that, well, that was not something that you said, you're the second oldest. That's not something that you're thinking about at the time.
You had a singular focus, the Olympics.

Speaker 34 The Olympics, uh-huh.

Speaker 32 And school is just a part of the, you know, I got, okay, I'm gonna go, I'm here, I'm gonna go get, uh, get my high school or my high school diploma.

Speaker 32 But the main goal, your main focus, and you say you aren't a student, so seemingly school came easy to you.

Speaker 34 Yeah, except for what, what, what was it, science? I never, I never understood science.

Speaker 101 Okay.

Speaker 101 But

Speaker 34 everything else came pretty easy. Listen, I would get all A's and B's and get like a D in science.
Damn. A C in science.
Like, I think the highest I got on a GPA, I got a three-point.

Speaker 34 I got a B one time. So I got a

Speaker 34 3.8.

Speaker 34 And I was trying to get a 4.0 this specific market period. Cause I just was like, this is the, this is the.
I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it.
And I got a 3.8 because I got a freaking B

Speaker 34 in science. So I just was like, yeah, science sucks.

Speaker 32 It ain't for me.

Speaker 56 Yeah, no.

Speaker 32 You mentioned earlier that you fought your grandmother, you know, you fought for equal pay. Hell, I'm doing equal.
I'm boxing.

Speaker 70 We boxing the same amount. I'm boxing.
I'm in here putting, you know, putting my life on the line.

Speaker 32 I'm practicing. I'm in the gym.

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Speaker 32 And in 2016, the men used to get three times the pay.

Speaker 32 The Olympic, the training committee, correct?

Speaker 34 But 2012?

Speaker 51 Yeah.

Speaker 34 I think they used to get twice more than

Speaker 56 what we got, yeah.

Speaker 32 And you was like, nah, this ain't right.

Speaker 34 Well, I was winning every tournament. So that didn't make sense to me.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 34 And you don't really know what the other guys are making until you ask them.

Speaker 34 So when I found that out, I just was like, huh? So going back for my second Olympic gold medal, I let them know that I wouldn't go back unless these things changed.

Speaker 34 And they were all for it because they knew they kind of needed me to win a medal.

Speaker 32 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 34 You know, I don't think

Speaker 34 USA Boxing has had an Olympic gold medalist before me since 2008, which was Andre Ward.

Speaker 34 Or was it four?

Speaker 31 2004 Andre Ward.

Speaker 34 I mean, well, we had some bronze medalists, some silvers.

Speaker 35 Yeah, we got gold. But gold.

Speaker 42 We know for gold.

Speaker 34 Yeah, yeah. I had got 2012 and 2016.
I'm the only gold for those years. Right.

Speaker 32 And, you know, USA boxing, we used to be the B's and E's.

Speaker 34 Listen,

Speaker 34 I think Shakur Stevenson should be an Olympic gold medalist. I was there.
I seen the fight.

Speaker 34 He went against the Cuban. And I think Shakur is a better fighter than a Cuban, but he came out with the silver.
But in my mind, Shakur is like

Speaker 100 bomb.com.

Speaker 34 Like this dude can really fight. He's in shape.
He's focused. And he was just young, but I felt that he won the fight.
I feel like he won the fight, but it was so close. Right.

Speaker 34 You You know, but I felt like Shakur won it, and he should not,

Speaker 34 if anything, even though he got the silver, in my mind, he's an Olympic champion.

Speaker 59 But we've seen him rob too.

Speaker 41 Well, Roy Jones just got his medal back from the 88.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I saw that. That was crazy.

Speaker 63 That was crazy.

Speaker 32 I mean, I remember watching that.

Speaker 32 Man Roy beat that man.

Speaker 34 No, he did, which is like him close, though.

Speaker 35 I don't know. But it was in Seoul.

Speaker 52 And he happened to be.

Speaker 34 Was that Seoul Korea?

Speaker 51 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 34 Wow, man. Yes.
But, you know, stuff like that, I just can't believe it. Even I, even with May wasn't, you know what I'm saying? Getting a bronze.

Speaker 32 But that was in the U.S.

Speaker 59 That was in Atlanta.

Speaker 34 Yeah, in Atlanta.

Speaker 34 But that's what I'm saying. Like, for me, people don't even understand how terrified I was.
I had just, to me, got robbed right before the Olympics.

Speaker 34 And now I'm going to the Olympics and I'm like, oh, God, these girls is taller. They're bigger.
They're more known. Like, what am I going to do?

Speaker 41 Yeah, and they're older.

Speaker 45 You're 17.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I think.

Speaker 32 You ain't fighting no more teenagers.

Speaker 41 Them women's 20s in the 20s, and you fighting them.

Speaker 34 20s, 30s. The girl I fought against for the Olympic gold medal 2012, she was 34.
I was 17.

Speaker 32 Theoretically, she old enough to be your mom.

Speaker 63 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 34 But she was strong, though. That's when I was like, ooh, these older women got some strength on them.
I'm like, she got the old woman strength.

Speaker 34 Hey, you know when they grabbed it, she'd be like, hold up.

Speaker 34 She was strong.

Speaker 32 So what's your game? Okay, you go in there and you're fighting a lady that's double your age.

Speaker 33 Your coach is,

Speaker 41 so what was your game plan in the gold medal? You're like, okay, I've gotten through all this for the gold medal.

Speaker 32 This is everything. This is everything that I prayed for.

Speaker 59 This is everything that I've hoped for.

Speaker 73 And this moment is here now.

Speaker 74 So were you calm? Were you relaxed?

Speaker 42 So give me your thought process of leading to that gold medal match.

Speaker 34 I was very focused. I was calm and I was ready.
I knew that.

Speaker 34 The girl I was fighting against had hammer fists. She could punch.

Speaker 4 But I also knew too, I was fast as lightning.

Speaker 34 I knew I had really good head movement. And I knew that if I got in the right distance and range with her, I would be more stronger than her, than her against me.

Speaker 34 So I went in there and just,

Speaker 34 coach told me to have fun. He said, have fun and beat her up.

Speaker 34 And I went in there and I had fun and I beat her up. But I remember the first round, She caught me with a shot and I remember, oh, that's it?

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 34 But she had been putting girls down at the Olympics. She had been dropping them.
Yeah. Getting eight counts on them.
And then she hit me, and I kind of shook my head a little bit.

Speaker 34 I'm like, ooh, it's good. Then I was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 34 She wants to fight. She thinks she's just big like that.
And I said, okay, but the way that her punches were coming so slow.

Speaker 43 You could see them.

Speaker 34 By the time she threw two punches, I already had landed with four.

Speaker 69 Yeah.

Speaker 34 Six. So I'm like, I'm just going to light her up and then sit on something.
And when I start sitting on them, it was over.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 34 17. But man, I'm telling you, like, that girl was strong.
I wonder what she's doing now.

Speaker 34 Toilet pover.

Speaker 32 So, what country do you think have the best fighters?

Speaker 34 America.

Speaker 52 Really? America has the best fighters.

Speaker 32 Even women?

Speaker 34 America.

Speaker 56 Wow.

Speaker 34 Now, if we're talking about a lot of these American girls, sometimes they don't show up on those big stages. In those big moments.

Speaker 34 Yeah, you know, when you got the world championships in the Olympics, these girls won't show up, but they'll turn pro and become world champions.

Speaker 34 You know, I think America has girls who are tough, slick, great upbringing. We have a great USA boxing program to help us get prepared to

Speaker 34 win these tournaments.

Speaker 34 I think that the other girls in the other countries, they just, I don't know, maybe they're used to those bigger moments or something, but I feel like as far as in skill and everything, I feel like America has the best fighters.

Speaker 34 And then I have to say,

Speaker 34 second is the UK.

Speaker 34 And we all know Kay Taylor from Ireland, you know, but the UK and Ireland kind of, you know, but yeah, I get us my top three.

Speaker 32 But you know, the thing is, is that

Speaker 32 amateur boxing, Olympic boxing is different than pro boxing.

Speaker 34 Way different.

Speaker 32 And so you, I mean, because you see like some of these guys that like didn't have great amateur background become world champ. And you see some Olympic champions don't do nothing in pro.

Speaker 34 Well, I think that all comes with

Speaker 34 are you a complete fighter okay you know I'm saying I knew in the amateurs and the amateurs like before I learned about the point system I did used to sit down more on my punches and pick my shots more right but then you get to the Olympics and all they care about is who's landing the most points and who and who has the effective punching so you have to fight the point system in order for you to win a fight right now when you turn pro

Speaker 34 It's back to how I was at the beginning, which is more taking my time, sitting on my punches, but I've been doing something else for the past six, six, seven years.

Speaker 34 So I have to switch that to turn pro. And then you have to adjust to the no headgear in the pros.

Speaker 59 Yes.

Speaker 32 And that's a big difference. Is that a big difference? What?

Speaker 44 Because

Speaker 44 while you're seeing, I mean, your peripheral.

Speaker 34 You can see more with the headgear off.

Speaker 30 Okay.

Speaker 34 But you feel more too. Oh, absolutely.
You know, you see amateurs getting there and fighting the inside and thought this combination, you're not going to see that in the pros because

Speaker 34 you got headbuts.

Speaker 34 You got,

Speaker 34 I mean, you got elbows. You got, listen, I got hit with a shoulder in pro boxing.

Speaker 30 Right.

Speaker 34 A shoulder. Right.
You know, she was doing something, and I came in, that girl and hit me in my jaw with her damn shoulder.

Speaker 32 So. You ever get mad in there?

Speaker 59 Like, oh, oh,

Speaker 32 oh, you doing that now? Okay.

Speaker 34 I don't get mad inside the ring. You got to control it.
I may look mad,

Speaker 34 but I'm not. I'm actually very happy.
and want to show off my skills and show you what I got, you know, but I know that I'm very strategic, so I know that once you get mad, you can't really think.

Speaker 34 Okay, so I don't think I've got mad in a professional fight since my pro debut, but that's because she kept pushing me on the floor.

Speaker 34 Damn, yeah, but that's she must have been really strong.

Speaker 42 She pushed you down,

Speaker 34 she was rough, but it was like, you know, you're sitting there throwing punches, and then you just see somebody just go, boom. So it's like, what the hell?

Speaker 41 I thought we were punching. Hey, did you tell?

Speaker 77 Hey, Ralph, you're not going to say anything?

Speaker 34 Yeah, that's when I got mad.

Speaker 34 Last time I got mad, like, right,

Speaker 56 hello.

Speaker 32 Last year, the big story in the Olympics with Algeria, Imani Khalif.

Speaker 70 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 32 Transgender.

Speaker 34 Is it a transgender?

Speaker 32 I mean, she's identified her whole life as a,

Speaker 73 if I'm reading it correctly, she's identified her whole life as a female.

Speaker 35 Yes. As a woman.

Speaker 34 I think she was born with

Speaker 59 X, Y, chromosome.

Speaker 56 Both parts or something like that? Yes.

Speaker 34 So

Speaker 34 the reason why I steer clear away from this is because nobody knows the facts. But I don't believe that in boxing, amateur or professional, that they will let, in the amateur, that they will let

Speaker 34 a male

Speaker 34 fight against women. I just don't believe that.
I believe that the story was

Speaker 34 taken out of proportion. All the facts weren't there.
And that's what we got. But

Speaker 34 Iman Khalif fights like a girl.

Speaker 32 She does.

Speaker 34 So,

Speaker 34 and I, and, and I say that just like, not to just, like, she's a gold medalist too. So, I, I say that to say, like,

Speaker 34 if she's always fought against these girls, right, why now is it being changed?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 41 Her whole life she grew up fighting against women.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and now all of a sudden.

Speaker 34 Yeah, and yeah, so to me, I feel like

Speaker 34 we would have to go there to actually see her and talk to her and hear what she has to say about it But i don't i don't think that she identifies as

Speaker 34 ever identified as a man yeah i i think that she's she's a girl and that's why now people say oh they that they want her to turn pro and fight against me or whatever whatever but she from what i know is it's a girl right from what i know

Speaker 32 going to an olympics obviously when you go to the olympics you make the uh american team and all these the nba uh michael phelps is there you meet lebron james i mean i think you walk next to LeBron.

Speaker 34 Yeah, Kevin Durant already.

Speaker 73 KD.

Speaker 32 So what is it like to meet, like,

Speaker 69 man,

Speaker 32 I'm the most popular?

Speaker 77 I mean, everybody knows who

Speaker 32 these men are, these people are.

Speaker 77 So what was that like?

Speaker 32 What was that moment like for you walking in the opening ceremony?

Speaker 34 Honestly,

Speaker 34 I had thought to myself, and this was such a surreal moment, I thought to myself when I seen LeBron and everybody, I thought to myself, I said, yo,

Speaker 34 I'm with the best athletes in the world.

Speaker 34 And Ben Adonai said, Ding-dong,

Speaker 34 you are here to fight to be one of the best athletes in the world. And that's when it hit me like, yo, I'm really a big deal.

Speaker 34 I know I thought I wasn't stuff then, but I'm really the stuff now.

Speaker 102 Yeah.

Speaker 59 You are

Speaker 59 a muscular woman.

Speaker 32 Shape, like you said, you got shoulders, you got body.

Speaker 41 I'm sure you've been criticized.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 59 But I mean, I'm a woman.

Speaker 34 People is crazy.

Speaker 41 They don't want you to be a bean pole.

Speaker 32 They want you to be 105 pounds.

Speaker 41 They want you to be 120 pounds and be a Victoria's Secret model.

Speaker 59 I mean, what?

Speaker 59 I don't.

Speaker 34 I really get confused because I feel like maybe it's a preference, but I'm built. like the bodies that these girls in that these girls are getting and buying.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 34 You know, I'm thick at the bottom. I got a big butt, and nice legs i got a slim waist yeah i may not be too big in the chest but i don't want to be big in the chest because i can move my arms yeah but

Speaker 34 my back and everything is strong because of my sport yes but when i put on a dress i look just as feminine just as just as pretty just as fine so i don't really get i i think the criticism come from haters or come from people that's jealous yeah or wish that they were me or something.

Speaker 70 Wish they had somebody like you.

Speaker 4 Serena went through the same thing.

Speaker 34 I seen it first. Serena.

Speaker 73 Serena was like, oh, she looked like a man or she looked like this serena was very muscular i saw serena um when she was probably in her early 20s and she was i mean she was in shape and shape yes yeah yes yes and now i guess you know now they're like well i don't know where people people just say oh she she looked like a man she all this and now she she done a 180 word of body and everybody's like well i don't know why she did that i like the old body well this her body let me know They always got something to say.

Speaker 34 They do. You know, when I was fighting at 154 pounds, I was literally all muscle.
Like, I don't think I had no body fat on me because there wasn't any body fat left to be there. Right.

Speaker 34 So then I go to 160, my body was kind of still the same. Now I'm 68, 75.

Speaker 34 I done got, I had to put on some muscle. My legs got a little bigger.
I done got a little wider in the hips. And the waist and stuff.
And it's more of a, this is what I have to do for the weight clap.

Speaker 70 You move up your weight, it's hard to get.

Speaker 34 Right, but I only look really, I don't know.

Speaker 34 I don't, I don't, to me, I don't look strong like you.

Speaker 34 Like, I mean, I look strong. I look in shape, but I'm not like,

Speaker 52 yeah, nah, no.

Speaker 31 But they try to make it seem like that.

Speaker 73 You're very feminine. Yes.

Speaker 73 You are, you are,

Speaker 32 I mean, women athletes, they have bodies, they have muscle, and they need that to have functionality.

Speaker 34 Yeah. So

Speaker 34 when I hear that stuff, long as I look in a mirror and I like what I see, that's what makes me happy. People will say that I look like I'm I'm like 140.

Speaker 34 I say that's a beautiful compliment, but I walk around at 180, 180 85 pounds. You know what I'm saying? I know that I'm stacked and when it comes to the fight, I lose my weight or whatever.

Speaker 34 But I like walking around with my meat and having my

Speaker 34 stuff. Your man like it.

Speaker 23 Oh, Pap love it.

Speaker 104 Okay.

Speaker 34 I was telling him that I'm a fight at 160. He was like, no, you're not.

Speaker 34 I was like, I'm for real. He's like, no, we're not going out at 160.

Speaker 32 I mean, but as you get old, as you start, as we start to age, it gets harder to take that weight off. Are you really trying to go back down to that weight?

Speaker 34 If the competition is there, but that's nothing but a diet and nutrition team and just a bit more running. But

Speaker 34 when I have a fight locked in and I have a goal at hand, age doesn't get in the way. I've been working out my entire life.
So it's actually easy for me to lose weight.

Speaker 34 It's all about, am I going to lock in and focus and make the sacrifices to lose the weight? But I went down to 154 and lost 35 pounds in six weeks. So,

Speaker 69 hey,

Speaker 34 boss, but when you want to make history,

Speaker 34 I became the fastest boxer to be three-time undisputed champion in the least fights. Yes.

Speaker 34 So I did that, but the sacrifice was I had to lose 35 pounds in six weeks.

Speaker 70 Is there a heavier,

Speaker 32 you're the heavy, yeah, I mean, you're a heavyweight, so there ain't nowhere you can go. So now basically.

Speaker 34 175 and 175 plus is different. Right.

Speaker 32 So you can go up another, you can take it, you can get another weight, you can get another division?

Speaker 34 Not at, well, me and Danielle Perkins fought at 175 plus.

Speaker 35 Right, okay.

Speaker 34 So that's heavyweight. Right.

Speaker 34 But then it's weird because,

Speaker 34 all right, we got different organizations, right?

Speaker 34 And for the WBC, they call

Speaker 34 175 heavyweight.

Speaker 34 But then other organizations call 175 light heavy.

Speaker 34 So it's like when me and her fought, we fought at 175 plus because the contract was at one, it was at 180 because Danielle was a big girl. I came in weighing 173.

Speaker 34 Danielle came in weighing at 178 and we fought

Speaker 34 for the heavyweight underfield championship.

Speaker 32 Well, if you walk around at 180, 185, she walk around at 190 and 195, maybe two.

Speaker 34 Danielle Perkins is huge.

Speaker 34 Danielle Perkins is huge. I'm like, listen,

Speaker 59 I love that girl, okay?

Speaker 34 But when I was like,

Speaker 34 We was facing off and stuff. I'm like, yo, I didn't know she was this big.

Speaker 34 Like, somebody ain't telling me something. Hold up.
I'm looking at her, too, like, and then she's so calm and trying to be all nice to them. I'm like, don't be nice to me.
I'm going to beat you up.

Speaker 34 And she's just like, Clarissa, we good.

Speaker 35 I'm like, no, we not.

Speaker 34 I know I heard you about to hit me.

Speaker 34 We is not cool. But no, she,

Speaker 34 me fighting against her. Let me know, like, yo, even though I only came and weighing 173

Speaker 34 for our fight and I rehydrated probably to like 1 to 180. It was like, yo, I was able to handle her strength, handle her size, and everything about her was tough.
Her bones was hard. She was tall.

Speaker 34 She was strong. She was quicker than what I thought.

Speaker 34 I mean, Danielle Perkins was.

Speaker 34 I understand why she only got six fights. People say, oh, she only had five fights when we fought.
Ain't nobody trying to see her. Don't nobody want to fight her.

Speaker 34 When I watched her fight and some of her fights, these girls came in very confident the first, second, and third round.

Speaker 34 But then you got to the fourth round and you see these girls is like tired and then they face start getting bloodied up and bruised. And I'm like, this girl punching, man.

Speaker 34 This girl is punching for real. And then these girls end up quitting or she stop them.

Speaker 59 And I'm like, yeah, I got it.

Speaker 34 I got to watch out for this one. And that was the only one who I fought so far who I said, I got to watch out for this one.

Speaker 32 Everybody feel like you go in the ring, you're like, I'm confident. I got you.

Speaker 34 Well, I feel like I had her too, but not. I was like, I had to watch her.
I'm like, I can't slip up in here. Slip up and miss that one second.
Hey, catch it with a shot. She'd be like, woo.

Speaker 34 You know, when it went and be like,

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