Nightcap Hour 1: Joe Burrow aka BUBBLE BOY back at Practice + Shedeur Sanders QB1 vs Raiders + Bills Keon Coleman BENCHED AGAIN

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Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Shedeur Sanders making his first NFL start this upcoming Sunday, Joe Burrow makes a major step in returning and is back at practice, and Keon Coleman is inactive for Thursday Night football and much more!

04:30 - Joe Burrow back at practice
25:05 - Browns QBs 0-17 in their first career starts
54:35 - Keon Coleman inactive for Thursday Night Football

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Speaker 21 I'm your favorite Unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own Bingles Ring of Fame honoree, a former Pro Bowler and an all-pro.

Speaker 21 He's Chad Ocho Cinco-Johnson, and the third member of the big three, joining us every Wednesday night to talk about all things NBA, NFL, and anything else we deem worthy of being discussed.

Speaker 21 He's here to join us. He's from Arkansas, Little Rock, went to the University of Arkansas, an all-star, seven-time NBA all-star, mainly with the Hawks and the Nest and the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 21 Here he is, Iso Joe Johnson. Joe, what'd it do? Sir, what's up, baby? What's going on? OJo, what's up? Good.
Hey, man, I'm right here, man.

Speaker 22 I'm just waking up from a little three-hour nap, boy.

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Speaker 22 Oh, I ain't tripping. I ain't tripping.
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Speaker 21 First topic, Joe Burrow made huge steps in his recovery journey on Wednesday by being named a full participant in Bengals team practice.

Speaker 21 Excuse me, this is the first time that he's gotten the designation since he suffered the turft toe injury in week two.

Speaker 21 Joe would need to be activated by December 1st from the injury reserve to have any chance to play again this season. Oh, Joe,

Speaker 21 your Bengals are three and seven.

Speaker 22 Yes, sir.

Speaker 21 Three and seven. You have seven games to go.
Yeah, yeah. Is there a scenario which you see if

Speaker 21 the Bengals were to lose Sunday? Yes, sir. Is there a scenario where you see Joe being activated? Because if he's not activated by June 1st, excuse me, December 1st,

Speaker 21 that means he can't, I mean, basically, he can't come off and he'd be on there for the rest of the season. Do you see a scenario where you guys lose this game and him come off injury reserve?

Speaker 22 Yeah, honestly, I think regards there is really no scenario in this matter or in this case, whether we win or whether we lose.

Speaker 22 Joe Burrow being the competitor that he is, he would probably override any suggestions that he gets from doctors,

Speaker 22 anyone that sits in positions of power

Speaker 22 in that front office, and he's coming back to play, whether we're losing or not.

Speaker 22 Just knowing Joe Burrow, the type of player he is um the type of competitor he is whether we have a chance to to to get to the playoffs or he could have want to finish the season off strong and and and and make some with a statement to show that he can still stay upright he can he can still be healthy you know regardless of circumstances whether we're going to the playoffs or not

Speaker 21 so you just hey you you just looking forward to him getting back out there on the field you don't you ain't really you don't really think y'all gonna make no playoffs make no

Speaker 22 hey hey joe joe honestly right now i i haven't really really thought of the scenarios or the possibility of us making the playoffs at three or seven i think it's very very difficult joe honestly yeah i think it's very difficult but for me

Speaker 22 uh i would love for joe to come back not even playoff scenario but just to finish the season off strong finish the season off strong getting you know get in there do what you can

Speaker 21 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're probably

Speaker 21 hold on, let me feel that.

Speaker 21 You about to be three and eight.

Speaker 22 I'm not talking about from a team standpoint at this point when we when you're three and seven. I'm just saying individually,

Speaker 22 all players need to finish the season off strong from an individual standpoint so they feel a little better about themselves going into next year, regardless of whether we did well or we whether we did well or we didn't as a team collective.

Speaker 21 Ain't no regardless. Ain't no irritation.
And stop using irrigardless. You're not supposed to use irritable irrigation.
Regardless, by

Speaker 21 or regardless.

Speaker 21 Yeah, y'all were terrible this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were terrible.
But you can't finish y'all on no good note.

Speaker 22 Okay, I said, that's why I said individually. That's why the first thing I said, even if, even if we lose, which we won't, which we probably won't.

Speaker 21 You going to lose? Take the if out. Take the if out.

Speaker 21 We play. Take that out.
You know, y'all, first of all, y'all was losing with Chase.

Speaker 21 Y'all was losing with Chase. Yeah.
He gone.

Speaker 21 Okay, now let's try again.

Speaker 22 Like I said,

Speaker 22 someone who has a little optimism, Joe. I'm gonna talk.
I'm gonna Joe. I'm gonna talk to you.

Speaker 21 I got you. I got you.

Speaker 22 I'm a little optimistic. Ain't no telling what's gonna happen.
I know Chase is not playing this game.

Speaker 21 We got 11 weeks. I know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 22 You know what?

Speaker 22 Hey, Joe,

Speaker 22 I don't like the way Uncle's treating my bank.

Speaker 21 Hey, hey, Ocho, I think y'all just need to let Burn. Ocho, can I have, can I, you know what? I just want to take my last bite.
of my short. Take your last bite.

Speaker 22 Take your last bite. Take your time.

Speaker 21 I'm talking about your time. I'm talking crazy.
I want to go ahead and finish it and get some food on my stuff because I've been hungry.

Speaker 21 I had a couple of vents I had to go to last. So I'm going to get my last, my last bite.

Speaker 21 Hold on. That is.

Speaker 22 Take it time. Me and Joe got it.
Me and Joe got it. Anyway, Joe, like I was saying.

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Speaker 21 And listen, from an individual standpoint,

Speaker 22 from an individual standpoint, Joe,

Speaker 22 knowing how Burrow is, knowing the competitor that he is.

Speaker 21 He's a liar. Hey, he,

Speaker 22 Joe, he's coming back to play, Joe.

Speaker 22 Regards to how we're doing at the moment.

Speaker 21 But listen, hey, but sometimes, Ocho, you know, we can get in our own way now. Yeah.

Speaker 21 The man been bogged down with injury. You know that toe gonna linger, bro.

Speaker 22 Hey, Joe,

Speaker 22 I know one thing. If Joe, if Burrow ain't feeling 100%, he's not taking his ass out there on that field.

Speaker 21 Well, then he ain't gonna play. It ain't no way that toe gonna be 100%, man.
Listen,

Speaker 22 let the man heal up, and then y'all get another crack at it next year if it don't happen next year oh you gotta blow that thing up okay okay i mean i i i like that joe but i i me me honestly if joe feels good and knowing knowing how he is he's sitting on that sideline joe if if if he can go and then think about it uh 80 uh 85 87 even a 90 joe burrow It is better than half the goddamn league.

Speaker 22 It's better than half the league out there, even Hobble. So

Speaker 22 I would like to see him, though, honestly, just to finish it off strong, just so you feel good about yourself in your head. And when the back of your head is like, well, God damn,

Speaker 22 I done been hurt three out of six seasons, you know, and

Speaker 22 ain't been able to contribute or help my team out. Man, shit, knowing him, man,

Speaker 22 I'm finishing this shit off. Hey, look,

Speaker 21 I'm sure he probably does want to get back up. I mean, hell, he's making a lot of money.
Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 But uh, Ocho, sometimes, man, you know, you got to get in guys' way, man, and just tell them, hey, look, we understand. Yeah, We know you want to play.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 But you probably need to sit the rest of this season out. We can get you right going into the next season.

Speaker 21 Hey, man.

Speaker 21 Y'all out there just playing football just to be finishing the season. They can't get hurt again now.
Come on now.

Speaker 22 Yeah. I mean, you right.

Speaker 21 I'm trying to help y'all, man.

Speaker 22 Joe, Joe, you right, but I'm telling you how the individual is.

Speaker 21 He's an animal. I already know.

Speaker 22 But he's an animal, bro.

Speaker 22 He's an animal.

Speaker 22 I just don't see any scenario where he can go sit down, especially he was a full participant in practice practice today.

Speaker 22 He was a full participant in practice.

Speaker 21 See what that thing feels like tomorrow. Yeah.
Unless Joe Burr will come back as a combination of Miles Garrett and Lawrence Taylor, y'all ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 21 I don't give a damn what he comes back at.

Speaker 22 We understand that part, Joe.

Speaker 21 So if he comes back as Miles Garrett and Lawrence Taylor,

Speaker 21 Deion Sanders and Ray Lewis in there. So which one of them is he going to be?

Speaker 22 Right. I mean, neither one.

Speaker 21 Neither one.

Speaker 22 You have to understand that. That's not the part we talk about.

Speaker 22 You got to understand the type of individual Joe is.

Speaker 21 You got to understand.

Speaker 21 I know what he is.

Speaker 21 You don't become the number one overall pig without being a competitor. And that's

Speaker 21 also don't become somebody without being realistic.

Speaker 22 Yeah, man. I understand.
I joke.

Speaker 21 I mean, have you seen your defense? Yeah, Unk.

Speaker 22 That man ain't thinking about none of that. That man ain't thinking about none of that.

Speaker 22 That man is thinking about getting on that field, getting back healthy, and trying to contribute and finish the season off on a high note for him individually.

Speaker 22 So he feels better about himself going into the offseason. I'm telling you how he's thinking.

Speaker 21 I know it.

Speaker 22 Because if he wasn't, it wouldn't be no goddamn reason to be a goddamn pricer today.

Speaker 21 Oh, he, hey, Joe, he was over here.

Speaker 21 Look on your screen, OJo. We got something showing for you.
What's that? What they're bringing him at.

Speaker 21 Look how they're bringing it back, Joe.

Speaker 21 Is that bubble rap?

Speaker 21 Y'all, we got to. We ain't got no choice.
Hey, why y'all?

Speaker 21 Hey, listen. We ain't got no choice, no choice.

Speaker 21 Hey, hey, dude.

Speaker 22 Hey, y'all, why y'all disrespecting him a quarterback now?

Speaker 21 Hold on, hold on. Well, you over there laughing.

Speaker 22 He better than Bo Nick's down in Denver right now. And he ain't even, and Joe ain't even.

Speaker 21 We're not debating his skill set. We're not debating how good he actually is.

Speaker 21 Because,

Speaker 21 excuse me, we know he's great.

Speaker 21 We're not debating that.

Speaker 22 I know, I know, but the jokes, hey, but hold on, the jokes just flying and the he-he and the ha-ha and like, like he ain't that boy.

Speaker 21 You don't think that fit. You just said the man been hurt three of his six years.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I'm just speaking facts on what

Speaker 21 ACL. His first year, he got hurt.
The next year, he went through, then he went to the, then he went to a Super Bowl. Then he got his wrist hurt.

Speaker 21 Now he done missed, he missed the entire rest of that season, which was probably about eight, nine games.

Speaker 21 Now, this is week 12, so he's going to miss that bare minimum, a bare minimum, another 10 games. Right.

Speaker 22 What the hell happened to my camera?

Speaker 21 You act like we put this around Brett Favre.

Speaker 21 Peyton. Come on now.
Oh, there. You talking about a guy that's been, he missed 10 games his rookie season, if not more.
He's going to miss 10 games this season.

Speaker 21 With his wrist injury, he missed probably another 10 games. So he's missed probably 30 games since he's been in the league.

Speaker 22 Right.

Speaker 22 I didn't need you to detail all that.

Speaker 21 The whole

Speaker 21 thing.

Speaker 21 The regret was Ocho, you know this. They got to be available.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 22 You listen, you're right.

Speaker 21 You are available. What good? What good is that? Man, I had the best feet.
Man, I had the best feet in the NFL. Yeah.

Speaker 21 But you played every other year.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah, you, you right. You right.

Speaker 21 But what

Speaker 21 you played every Sunday.

Speaker 22 I did. I did.

Speaker 21 I did.

Speaker 22 Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you should have seen my feet, Joe.
These things right here, Joe.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I seen you cut a rug or two.

Speaker 22 Hey, these things right here, Joe?

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Hey, them boys got a mind of their own, boy. You hear me?

Speaker 21 We already know what's going to happen, Ojo. Man, Ocho had 150 yards and two touchdowns, but they lost.

Speaker 22 That's a lie. That's a lie.

Speaker 21 Don't do that, Ocho.

Speaker 21 Don't do that.

Speaker 21 You saying longest Ocho guy he is, he was cool?

Speaker 22 Nah, nah,

Speaker 22 Joe, I'm not saying that I did everything.

Speaker 21 No, he wasn't happy about it. He just knew it was.
Hey,

Speaker 21 he knew I'm going to get mine. Unfortunately, I'm not in a situation where as a team, we're good enough to win more than we lose.
Joe. So

Speaker 21 I got to do my part.

Speaker 22 Joe, my grandma always told me, baby, in life, you can only do one thing. You can control what you can control and do your part.
So, Joe, I did my part.

Speaker 22 Now, collectively, as a team, I can't control the other 10 people. I can't control the 11 people that's on defense, but I know what I can control.

Speaker 21 What is that, bro? I control me.

Speaker 22 I can control them feet that had a mind of their own. Hey, Joe,

Speaker 22 I'm the only receiver in the history of the game. They didn't pay me to play receiver joe they paid me for my feet alone

Speaker 22 i'm just saying i'm just being honest to you it's in my contract if you look i show you a copy of my contract it it it states we are paying him individually on what he's able to do with his feet that's what they paid me for they ain't so you said so you saying when the db lined up in front of you he had no chance line up in front of who you man the devil is a lie joe boy ain't play that up there you get a don't ever get too close to me we will have a conversation because i'm gonna talk to you all the way through the route okay huh yeah man i ain't joe i ain't play no game joe

Speaker 21 hey boy let's say hey joe he was he was in this he was in this band ojo can sing really really good but they ain't have no number one hits because they would let him sing lead

Speaker 21 So if they let him sing lead or they had more people like Ojo in the band, they'd have been really, really good.

Speaker 21 So in other words, he really needed to play an individual sport when he could just rely on himself because when you play football you really got to rely on the 10 guys on offense the 11 guys on defense and the 11 guys that they try out there every time on special team ocho did his thing but like he said he could only do he couldn't tackle nobody he couldn't get no picks couldn't sack the quarterback hey joe we we had we had some and then they didn't get they got really good once they got they got caught when well Kitner wasn't bad.

Speaker 21 Kitner threw for 4,000. Kitner wasn't no bad quarterback, but they was bad enough enough that

Speaker 21 they got ended up getting Carson Palmer with the number one overall pick. And then once Carson got in there, they kind of took off from there.

Speaker 22 Yeah, hey, Joe, we were good, man.

Speaker 22 We had some ups and downs.

Speaker 21 Hold on, let that. Look, I don't pat you on the back now.
Yeah, I appreciate you. I was patting you on the back.
I wasn't trying to beat Dust out your clothes. I just pat you on the back.

Speaker 21 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 21 He want me to beat Dust out of his clothes now. Damn.

Speaker 22 I appreciate it.

Speaker 21 I was just going to leave it at that. Man, Ocho was really good.
Ocho did his thing.

Speaker 22 I was nice now.

Speaker 21 You know, I was a little something. I was a little something to watch, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 22 Hey, Joe, you know, hey, Joe, I could fill up a stadium by myself, Joe.

Speaker 21 I would like that.

Speaker 21 You was going to put on the show now. Oh, yeah.
You're going to get that.

Speaker 22 You're going to get that. Whether I was playing home or away.
I'm going to fill your stadium up.

Speaker 21 Yeah, see, that's what I need to. See, I need to be, I need to be a couple of years, a couple of years younger.
Yeah. Because he'd be talking to him on the sideline, talking right out of the game.

Speaker 22 Uncle How you gonna take my script and try to use it on me?

Speaker 21 Ocho, you do realize i was talking before you was born

Speaker 22 uh what do you know where i'm from

Speaker 22 do you know where i'm from do you understand we start in pee wee pee wee optimist that talking started at four years old you wasn't doing that when you was four you when you was in four you was that there in the country you know picking watermelon you weren't talking like this I came out the womb talking

Speaker 22 yeah that's what I do hey Joe I'm telling you Joe boy you put fucking right environment, boy.

Speaker 21 I say we'd have talked to right out of this game, Joe.

Speaker 21 Hey, I'm saying, y'all ain't never played against each other? Yeah,

Speaker 21 hey, Joe, I do. Hey, Joe, I spanked him.
He was younger than me. It don't matter, Joe.

Speaker 22 I spanked him when we played him.

Speaker 22 Every time,

Speaker 22 Joe, I showed up to the party, boy, with nothing

Speaker 21 that I was on, oh, Joe.

Speaker 22 You was on the team.

Speaker 21 What you talking about?

Speaker 21 Joe, we already said you had 30-something yards, oh Joe.

Speaker 21 That's all?

Speaker 21 That's what you mean? That's all.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I mean, because

Speaker 22 you're saying, I'm really not a 30-yard receiver.

Speaker 21 So the fact that I only had 30.

Speaker 21 And when you scored against the Broncos, Joe, I mean, Ocho, I was already at the game. The game was over.

Speaker 21 Hold on, you gotta go.

Speaker 22 Oh, whoa, do you know you're not finna do that? Oh, no, the devil is alive because you've been out the game now for 20-something years. And every time the Broncos played.

Speaker 21 No, you talk about

Speaker 21 when the game that you played, when I was with the Broncos and the game you scored on, you scored with like 20 seconds. The game was over.
I was on the sideline, Drake and Kool-Aid.

Speaker 21 Well, hold on, wait a minute. Okay, Ray slashed around in my stomach.

Speaker 21 Joe.

Speaker 22 Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, I think Unk might got amnesia because if I, if I recall in 2005 against the Denver Broncos Monday night football, I went crazy, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 21 I retired. I was in the booth.

Speaker 21 I was sitting at a desk.

Speaker 22 What does that have to do?

Speaker 21 You just said I only scored against the Broncos in the last 30 seconds. I was like two decades.

Speaker 22 You just said I only scored on the Broncos in the last 30 seconds. That's not what I recall.
No, no, no.

Speaker 21 I said when I was playing on the Broncos.

Speaker 21 Okay, okay. With Shannon.
I don't know what you did after I left. Yeah.
But I'm saying I do know you scored with like 35, 40 seconds left of the ball game. I done got my shoes off.

Speaker 21 I got on flip-flops. Okay.
Okay. It sounds good.

Speaker 21 I got on shower shoes on the sideline.

Speaker 21 I done cut my tape off and everything. And you still in there playing.
Nah. Hey, hey, hey, hold up, though.

Speaker 21 When you scored at the end, you were still there. Hey, look it up.

Speaker 21 Hey, Joe.

Speaker 21 Look it up. I think it was either 2002, 2003.
Joe wasn't there. Look it up, Joe.
I ain't going to lie to you. I remember like it was yesterday.
He scored.

Speaker 21 We beating the brakes off him.

Speaker 21 And then he going to try to celebrate.

Speaker 22 I never, hey, Joe, one thing I never do, I was always self-aware.

Speaker 21 I was always self-aware. He was going to pull it up.

Speaker 22 You heard me, Joe?

Speaker 21 No, you weren't self-aware with that one. Because

Speaker 21 I don't even know why you scored a touchdown and want to celebrate. Hold on, I'm telling you how it was.

Speaker 22 I never do that. Hey, Joe,

Speaker 22 unless we're scoring first or I'm scoring to tie, I never celebrate if I was scoring and we were losing. Never.
Never.

Speaker 22 To me, that's a lack of self-awareness. And to me and myself, I look crazy because why the hell am I celebrating?

Speaker 22 There's nothing to celebrate for and we're not winning the game or actually tying the game. So that's something I always kept in the back.
Well, you wouldn't win no game with me.

Speaker 21 But I'm just saying.

Speaker 21 Was it 0-3 or 0-2?

Speaker 22 I'm trying to think it might have been oh two nah it was oh two i gave y'all that work that's all i know

Speaker 21 oh three

Speaker 21 oh oh oh oh

Speaker 21 get it right ash pull up the receipts ash

Speaker 21 When did, all up, when did he score that touchdown?

Speaker 21 What did he? When did he score that touchdown?

Speaker 21 Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, you see, you see, Ash put out the receipt, Joe.
I was at the giving boy that bitch, but see, what at hold on, the score was 30 to 10. He

Speaker 21 okay, hold on, hey,

Speaker 21 the score was 30 to 3.

Speaker 21 Empty calories. Hold on, we done did all that hard work.
He got some cardio in the first four and a half quarter, three and a half quarters.

Speaker 22 Why didn't you just heard Ash say I was giving y'all that work? You just heard Ash I was giving y'all that work.

Speaker 21 You caught a 23-yard touchdown.

Speaker 21 The score was 30 to 3 we'll have took our starters out we didn't get nobody nope the starters weren't out the game they weren't out the game because what you did what you're not gonna do is

Speaker 22 you're not gonna put no backups on me not no no you're not no you're not i think the person if i'm not mistaken that was coming me he wore 24.

Speaker 21 he wore 24. he took up me the whole game

Speaker 21 who dealt o'neal nah no no

Speaker 21 Champ wasn't there when I was there, Ocho. Okay.
Champ came out. I was gone.
Oh,

Speaker 22 who was it?

Speaker 21 It was Delta o'neal well he got that work too who ended up playing with you in cincinnati if i'm not mistaken hey he got that work anybody with a two and a number got that work

Speaker 21 for years straight except revision except revisit i'm gonna give this credit i think if i'm not mistaken who

Speaker 21 who you giving credit to oh revis that that's it that's it and it listen hey joe no no no no no no we didn't have revers no no no i'm just saying i was telling joe anybody with a

Speaker 22 as their first number got that work for 11, 12 years straight, Joe.

Speaker 21 I seen Revis.

Speaker 22 Oh, man, it was like a bad relationship that never turned out right.

Speaker 22 You hear me?

Speaker 21 How you get to Rebus Island and couldn't get off there, huh? Let me find out you was Gilligan. No, I ain't had Gilligan.
You on Gilligan? He was on Gilligan.

Speaker 21 Hey, Joe, I got stuck. Anybody coming to rescue Gilligan?

Speaker 22 Joe, I got stuck, Joe.

Speaker 22 I ain't had my passport.

Speaker 21 He had defense lay down, Joe.

Speaker 22 Yeah, I mean, listen. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, he was nice, Joe.
He was, he was, he was nice. He was nice.
He was nice. He was nice.

Speaker 21 I'm not going to say any light.

Speaker 21 I talk crab.

Speaker 22 I talk cash shit. But one thing I'm going to do, boy, when it comes to defense,

Speaker 21 I'm going to get up with it, give him his credit.

Speaker 22 And every time I see him, I give him his flower.

Speaker 21 That year, he had a year bad.

Speaker 22 Oh, Joe, everybody got it, Joe. That 2009 season, Joe,

Speaker 22 that was an historic run that will never be repeated.

Speaker 21 Never be.

Speaker 22 Every week, he traveled with number one. I don't care.
Hey, coach, I got it. Don't even worry about this.

Speaker 21 And nobody will get a hundred.

Speaker 21 Nobody will get 100. No.
100? He shut down Deletron. He shut down T.O.
He shut down.

Speaker 21 Alvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson.

Speaker 22 Nobody got over 50, boy. There's one person.
There's one person who consistently was able to

Speaker 22 give Revis that business and give him problems, and that was Stevie Johnson.

Speaker 21 Stevie Johnson.

Speaker 22 Yeah, played in Buffalo. Hey, Joe, Stevie was about 6'4 and and moved like he was five feet tall.

Speaker 21 I mean,

Speaker 22 his lateral movement and his quickness.

Speaker 21 You had to be quick to give him problems. You couldn't be a big receiver and be physical with him because he hold it to his hands then.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 21 uh the browns quarterbacks uh wow the browns quarterbacks are 0-17 and their first career starts since the team rejoined the NFL.

Speaker 21 This goes back to 1999. Let that sink in.
A quarterback has never won their first NFL start in Cleveland, going back to 1999.

Speaker 21 So basically, that's 27

Speaker 21 years.

Speaker 22 Hey, that's crazy work.

Speaker 21 Look at these names from Tim Couch to Spurgeon Wynn. Tom Brady's still mad about that Spurgeon win.

Speaker 21 Luke McCown, Charlie Fry, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Coat McCoy, Brandon Whedon, Thad Lewis, Johnny Manzera, Connor Shaw, Cody Kessler, Deshaun Kaiser, Kevin Hogan, Baker Mayfield, Dorian Thompson Robinson, and Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 21 Hey, that's a good one. That's crazy, Ocho.
Hey, I think.

Speaker 22 Maybe they just have bad luck in general. Maybe in just organizational bad luck.
Because to not have had a quarterback and to have, I mean, they've had some success, but it was short-lived.

Speaker 22 it was short-lived that they're still in search of one that they can call their franchise quarterback and that's why they were so so eager to do what they did with deshaun watson because look what they've had to deal with for so long huh this is what they've had to deal with for so long that's why they they were willing to throw whatever it was at deshawn watson because you understood the success that he had before

Speaker 22 you know,

Speaker 21 those issues arose. And even after they arose, we still don't win because we know what we're getting.

Speaker 21 you see the problem with ojo and ojo look at look at the series

Speaker 21 99 they had a they had what had a starter 2000 they had a different starter 04 a different starter 05 a different starter 06 a different starter 08 a different you see a real current theme ojo yeah man joe you see the real current theme yeah

Speaker 21 no continuity yeah you ain't just finna keep trying quarterbacks out there year after year and think you're gonna win look at that think about it 12 different quarterback 14 different quarterback 14 different quarterback i mean some of these in the same season

Speaker 21 16 cody kessler 17 deshawn kaiser 17 kevin hogan 18 baker mayfield

Speaker 22 hey also not crazy and you know what else too joe and unknown not only different quarterbacks different head coaches different officer coordinators different plays having to continuously learn something new or learn a new system and not getting like unk said any continuity you know as as an offense, this is what happens.

Speaker 22 This is what happens. It's always something new.
So no one's ever to get acclimated and comfortable to one thing. And this is what it will always look like.

Speaker 21 Turmoil. Hey, hey, I agree.
You can't cheat chemistry and continuity, man. You can't cheat that.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 21 If you're coming in every year with a different quarterback or a different OC, a different head coach, I mean... Different system.
Yeah, it's a different system.

Speaker 21 So it's hard to catch rhythm and timing. You know, that stuff takes a while, but I can see why ain't no quarterback.
quarterback one

Speaker 21 no one no game one that's crazy yeah well i know one thing on

Speaker 22 shadour he gets his chance to start this is the opportunity he's been waiting on you know there's no there's no more excuse because you make the better team to start against oh yeah yeah listen you have a chance to make history you have a chance to make history and and change the narrative you know and if things go well the talk's gonna be good if things don't go well we're gonna let it be known we're gonna be i'm it's especially me i've gotten really good at this uncle joe i've gotten really good at being critical when things when people when people aren't playing well yeah we have we you gotta we gotta call we gotta talk about what we see yeah yeah yeah i'm not sugarcoating but if you go out if you go out there and it up you know all excuses are out the window you had a week to prepare you had a week to get acclimated with the offense and you got and you're playing against the raiders

Speaker 21 Damn, that's

Speaker 21 just block 98. If y'all make a mistake, block 98.

Speaker 22 Yeah, a matter of fact, you could

Speaker 22 you can scheme him all game. You can scheme a way to stop 98 all game.
Chip him, double him, do whatever you need to do to give Shadura time to be able to do what he does best.

Speaker 21 Throw the ball.

Speaker 22 Shouldn't be no goddamn excuses.

Speaker 21 Because, boy, they throw him in against the Ravens. Them boys fighting for their lives over there.

Speaker 21 Well, I think the thing is, and plus he gets an opportunity. I think the biggest thing, Joe Nocho, he gets an opportunity to work with those guys.

Speaker 21 So he'll understand how they get in and out of breaks he'll understand you know the the tempo and the speed in which they run their routes because that's something that you can't you need to be in there to see because one guy he might takes a while he might not get his head around ocho was a guy that got his head around real quick yes so you know a i could put this ball out there before he come out his break i know as soon ocho snapping his head around yes other guys he's like bro the ball will hit you inside your damn head if you don't get your head around now you got to get in and out of those breaks and i thought he threw the ball with some timing Yeah, he missed some throws.

Speaker 21 There's a couple of shallow crosses that he probably should have took, but he's a guy that wants to push the ball down the field. Their problem was they were unwilling to take chances.

Speaker 21 Gabriel was unwilling to take chances and push the ball down the field. It's hard for you to methodically three yards here, two yards there, five yards here, five yards, one yard.

Speaker 21 It's hard to methodically go down the field and win games without at some point in time taking a chance to put the ball down the field.

Speaker 21 It's just hard to just do that every single single down in and down out.

Speaker 21 They got to have some consistency. Obviously, they can't fall behind and take their new and take the running game completely away.

Speaker 21 But as long as they can keep the game, I'm able to run some, I can play action off of that Ocho. Give him some stuff where I get down flat.

Speaker 21 Hey, I get a flat route, I get an over route, I get a comeback. You know, give him stuff like that, stuff that's going to allow him to get the ball out of his hands real quick at times.

Speaker 21 And there are other times that you're going to have to call plays specifically so he can push the ball down the field,

Speaker 21 And I think they'll have some success. Look,

Speaker 21 what it calls might have another four or five sack game, Miles Cross.

Speaker 21 Miles Garrett. That offensive line, did you see the offensive line? You see what the Cowboys do? The Cowboys ain't got two players combined that's good as Miles Garrett, let alone one.

Speaker 21 Yeah, you're right. And he ate.

Speaker 21 So, I mean,

Speaker 21 Quinny Williams had a sack and a half. O'Diggy Zua had two.
I mean,

Speaker 21 Everybody was getting it on action. Yeah, Kenny Crowe.
I can just imagine.

Speaker 21 Hey, you know what?

Speaker 22 And if you think about it, Unc, as good as the defense is, this just might be the game. This just might be the game

Speaker 22 with that 0-17 losing streak for quarterback starting in their first time. It might be snap.

Speaker 22 There's a good chance if he protects the ball. And I knowing the defense, the defing will get the ball back for him many of times on sunday it's a good chance

Speaker 21 hey hey i'm oh defense the

Speaker 21 defense

Speaker 21 should create some great field position for it yes because geno is prime geno lately i mean gino is really high up on turning the ball over now i don't know if he's leading the league interception but he damn close

Speaker 21 put it like this i don't know if he leading the room ojo but he at the table with a guy that's leading the league in interception geno at the table having a conversation with you you know i'm right behind you

Speaker 21 I'm probably going to tie you up this week. So don't get too comfortable having that lead.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 Shador just needs to be Shador.

Speaker 21 Like I said, get the ball out of your hands and don't take, listen, Shador, I understand like, you know, you're looking to make the big play, but it's okay to throw the ball out of bounds.

Speaker 21 You're not going to outrun.

Speaker 21 You weren't blessed with your dad's speed.

Speaker 21 You weren't. So that belly and back, you're not going to outrun these DNs.
You're not. You're not.

Speaker 21 All you're going to do if you're in field goal range, you're going to take your team out of field goal range. Make it manageable.
Let it, if you take a sack,

Speaker 21 take a sack on second down, OJo. Now you put yourself further behind the sticks on third downs.
They need to stay in front of the sticks.

Speaker 21 And that's the thing that you want, like young quarterbacks, Joe, you want them to stay in front of the sticks. You want it second and five, second and six.

Speaker 21 You want it third and one to three, third at the bare maximum, third and five. You start getting third, third, eight to ten, twelve, thirteen.
You're asking for trouble.

Speaker 21 Yeah, you're asking for trouble.

Speaker 21 I believe in him, man. I think he's gonna do, I think he's gonna do pretty well this weekend, uh, considering you know, with him having a week with the ones, right?

Speaker 21 The number ones, he hadn't done that all year. So, and I think he just

Speaker 21 a young, confident dude, bro. I feel like he he knows this is his moment, and I feel like he's gonna step up and shine.

Speaker 22 Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 21 he waited. Uh, he waited a long time, what, 12 weeks to get his opportunity.
It didn't seem like it was going to come. Yeah.
Um, but you know, hey, now the opportunity is here. Yeah.

Speaker 21 My brother said, hey, man, I ain't getting no run, man. They ain't give me, hey,

Speaker 21 John Elwy gonna call your number now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Just make sure when he calls your number, you pick the phone up. You ready? You go.

Speaker 21 You ready? You go. Okay.
It took him 12 weeks for him to call his line. Count call his number.

Speaker 21 Shadura, answer the phone.

Speaker 21 Yep, answer the phone.

Speaker 22 That's going to be a good one.

Speaker 21 Shadur spoke about getting first-team reps.

Speaker 21 I'm truly excited for that, knowing that I have a piece of the offense to say so and how things fit my eye and place and the players exactly where they need to be, seeing how that come in and out of route, seeing the structure of the old lineman, seeing their set, just having a feeling.

Speaker 21 I'm more of a field type of a person. So that's how I learned.
That's how I do everything. I'm not just a, I'm going to watch it.
It's just going to happen. No, I got to be out there, feel it.

Speaker 21 I got to move around. I like so many details that it takes for me to feel my best and play my best.

Speaker 21 I'm doing everything in my power and this team's doing everything in their power to help me get prepared.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Ojo? Yeah.

Speaker 21 What you think the stats, what you think his stats gonna be?

Speaker 22 You know what,

Speaker 22 I don't want to say, I don't want to jinx it. I don't want to jinx it.
I just know.

Speaker 21 You don't want to jinx it?

Speaker 22 Yeah, I don't want to jinx it. I just know that Safanski understands what Shador's strengths are going to be.

Speaker 22 He's going to understand what Shador does well. So the game plan going to that game is going to be dedicated and geared towards what he's able to do well.

Speaker 22 For one, that's getting the ball down the goddamn field. Having a healthy balance of being able to run the ball.
So play action works as well when they do want to throw. Yep.

Speaker 22 And make sure they cannot under any circumstances be one-dimensional. They can't be one-dimensional.
So a healthy balance of the run, a healthy balance of the pass.

Speaker 22 And once that young bull gets in the rhythm and get any kind of confidence, Joe, man,

Speaker 21 I think that comes with the prep, you know, throughout the week. Yeah.

Speaker 21 You know, especially with the ones, getting that under your belt, that's going to create a lot of confidence for the young boy, man. Yeah.
You know, going into the game.

Speaker 21 And I think that's going to help him, Uncan Ocho.

Speaker 22 Yeah. And the play goal, the play call is going to look completely different.
Because you got a quarterback that can do something different that you couldn't. It's going to look completely different.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Ocho, you remember, Joe, you remember your first start? Ocho, what you remember about your first start?

Speaker 22 San Diego Chargers. San Diego Chargers in San Diego, obviously, when they had the baseball field.

Speaker 21 Rodney Harrison Murph, huh?

Speaker 22 Yeah, yep. Rodney Harrison,

Speaker 22 Junior Seal,

Speaker 22 Ryan McNeil, who

Speaker 22 went to UM, played defensive back.

Speaker 21 Yeah, went to the U?

Speaker 22 Yep.

Speaker 22 I scored my first touchdown on Ryan McNeil in the corner of the end zone, and the scar is still there because I landed on the, on, I don't know if it was third base or a home plate and skinned up.

Speaker 22 The infield. Yeah, the infield and skinned up.

Speaker 22 My whole arm is still there. It's still there.
That's how deep. That's how deep that cherry was.
Yeah,

Speaker 22 that was dope.

Speaker 22 That was my first start.

Speaker 21 Joe, you remember your first start? Yeah, my first start was,

Speaker 21 obviously, it was my rookie year. It was the second game of the season, Uncan Ocho.
I was playing behind Eric Williams, who was a small forward for the Boston Celsius

Speaker 21 at the time. Yeah, well, he had he injured his knee in the first game.
So, second game of the season, coach was like, We're gonna start you at the two.

Speaker 21 It was against the Milwaukee Bucks with Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, Big Dog.

Speaker 21 Oh, man, I came out there and had a time. You hear me? I put about 23.
Okay, yeah, young rookie. I wasn't a little 20 years.

Speaker 21 Uncle I wasn't but 20 years old out there, man, out there, getting to it. You hear me? Yeah,

Speaker 21 you

Speaker 21 dropped a little 20 for a little easy 20 piece on them.

Speaker 21 Hey, look, see, all you need, especially when you're young like that, is to see those type of performances just to let you know, okay. Yeah, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do it right here.
I can do this.

Speaker 21 Yeah, oh, yeah. And next thing you know, boy, you be putting on a show

Speaker 21 for real.

Speaker 22 I like it, man.

Speaker 21 I used to, I just kept saying, man, man, they need to put me in. They need to put me.
I'll be saying, oh, yo, man, he need to put me in. I can make some plays.
I can make some plays. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Lord and behold,

Speaker 21 they put you in. We get ready to play the Chiefs.

Speaker 21 we get ready to play the chiefs now you hey the chiefs got albert lewis they got kevin ross they got uh uh deron cherry yeah they got martin baylis they got neil smith derek thomas

Speaker 21 uh damn big joe phillips oh man they got percy snow yeah i say dan salamore ojo yeah i say I say put me in, not against them.

Speaker 21 Let me go about that ain't them. they got a little

Speaker 21 they got like the number one number two defense in all the football

Speaker 21 so i'm like yeah we're gonna we're gonna put you we're gonna we're gonna start you and we're gonna put you in i said oh oh okay

Speaker 21 i said so you know i'm like so what i'm gonna do so they say hey we want you to line up outside yeah and we get into the we get into like five inch inside the five of the inside we're gonna throw you a fade

Speaker 21 i'm like

Speaker 21 Alvin Lewis went to the Pro Bowl. Kevin Ross went to the Pro Bowl.
So you mean to tell me y'all going to put a rookie in and say, go run a fade on one of them? Yeah.

Speaker 21 Yeah, just jump up on the top of him.

Speaker 21 Y'all say that like that's easy.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Hold on, what happened? I didn't know no better. I was like, oh, oh, Joe.
So I, hey, I told my brothers, but your boy's gonna get in the game. They gotta play for your boy.
What a call.

Speaker 21 Hey, they say, jump ball.

Speaker 21 I'll keep jump ball. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 okay, Joe, I get out there.

Speaker 21 They call it Rock because

Speaker 21 he was compact, but he was strong. He got his hands on you, you call hell getting off him.
Yeah, but anyway,

Speaker 21 they didn't expect me to shake him like I did. Yeah, because they thought it was going to be physical and so just throw a jump ball.

Speaker 21 Joe, how about I beat him off the ball clean? I said, okay, he's going to lay it on the top. I don't care that that

Speaker 21 got him. Yeah.

Speaker 21 He back shouldered, oh, Joe.

Speaker 21 So I really had to jump up over the top of him to get it.

Speaker 21 Did you get it?

Speaker 21 I got it. Oh, you caught it.
I got it.

Speaker 21 I caught it. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Hey, hey, I walk into the

Speaker 21 Ocho, Joe. I walk into the line.
I said, Lord, if you help me catch this ball, you ain't got to let me catch no more my whole career. I don't make problems.

Speaker 21 Hey, hey, listen. Hey,

Speaker 21 hey, because ain't nothing.

Speaker 21 I caught it, though. I caught it.
I caught it, Ocho. Yeah.
And from that moment, that gave me the confidence because I be the pro bowler for my very first touchdown.

Speaker 21 So that gave me the confidence that I belong. Yeah.
And I'm like,

Speaker 21 and I remember getting back, and I remember going to the side because

Speaker 21 everybody came and like, man, good job. Good.
Hey, that's the way to make a play.

Speaker 21 And seven, John told me, say, see, that's like you. You can do that.

Speaker 21 I said,

Speaker 21 I can do that.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I'm him.
Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, that's me.
Wow, I don't know why y'all surprised. I'm surprised.

Speaker 21 I tried to play a coupon. Guess what, Joe? Hey, I was so good.
It's a get in there.

Speaker 21 They throw me a short cross. Guy hit me in the back.
I fumble it.

Speaker 21 I know, I know, I can't have no prosperity. I wouldn't want to be able to have no prosperity.
But then

Speaker 21 they put me back in. They put me back in.
Hey, you just got to hold on to the ball.

Speaker 21 It's going to happen quick. Oh, yeah.
Oh, Joe.

Speaker 21 I run a gold ball against Cover Two. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Man, I'm talking about as soon as the ball hit my hands,

Speaker 21 it hit me in the back.

Speaker 21 I held on to it, though. Okay.
I held on to it, though, Ojo. Okay, hello.
I had the ball and threw a yeah.

Speaker 21 That was like man i i really i really and and come to find out i go back and listen to the uh uh the tv version of it yeah and they and uh the uh the announcer said coach reeves is really high on this kid think this kid has a lot of potential yeah

Speaker 21 so he didn't tell me that

Speaker 21 oh i got potential yeah yeah yeah okay

Speaker 22 okay hey hey one thing about it

Speaker 22 hey joe i mean joe and unk and those in the chat that have played sports one thing about it, when you're not sure yourself, you know, and even if you are confident and you go out there and you perform well and whatever it is that you do,

Speaker 22 whatever your respective craft may be, and you make a play or you do something good, and then you do it again and you start to build that confidence, once you got confidence, it's a wrap.

Speaker 22 It's a wrap from that point on, and you just stack them one on top of another. And

Speaker 22 at some point, it just becomes, it becomes natural. It becomes consistent.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah. Hey, look, as a rookie, man, you play so hard, bro.

Speaker 21 I'm talking about so hard because listen, I just remember being out there on the court thinking like, man, I'm out here with playing against Michael Jordan, Tracy McGrady.

Speaker 21 I'm playing with Antoine Walker, Paul Pierce.

Speaker 21 I remember being in so much of awe that I was like,

Speaker 21 I'm telling y'all, bro, I couldn't really sleep as a rookie. Like, I used to be so geek for the moment.
Like, I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait.

Speaker 21 So you just wanted to play hard as crap because I never wanted coach to have a reason to take me out the game. I don't care what it was.

Speaker 21 I was out there playing hard as I don't know and trying to get as many deflections as I can. Hands everywhere.
I ain't lying.

Speaker 22 Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 21 Hey, it's just like when you see,

Speaker 21 man, I remember the first time we played in Denver was a preseason game. We played the 49ers.

Speaker 21 Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice.

Speaker 21 All them.

Speaker 21 Roger Craig, John, all them. them just.
I'm like, damn, I'm really on the field. I've really been in the family.
That's damn. That's Jerry.
I'm looking at Jerry like

Speaker 21 that, Joe Montana.

Speaker 21 Yeah. Damn, that's Ronnie Lot.

Speaker 21 Yeah. I'm like,

Speaker 21 I caught a touchdown in the preseason, Ocho, and then hit the hammer on him.

Speaker 21 Hold on. You were dancing in the preseason?

Speaker 21 Boy, look at here, I'm from an HBCU. I just caught a touchdown on the defending Super Bowl chair.

Speaker 21 I was

Speaker 21 crazy. Yeah, man, I was man, I was, and it was televised.
It was a Monday night game. It was televised, oh choke.
Yeah, they saw me. Everybody in Savannah State, they know they watch it.

Speaker 21 My hometown, Glennville, they watching. I already know.
Man, man, I told y'all. I know Sharp, man, I told y'all Sharp liked that.

Speaker 21 Man, I bet I was so happy

Speaker 21 all right i call it i bet my uh my cell phone bill probably 700

Speaker 21 because you know back then cell phone bill they they charge you about a minute it was like three dollars a minute joke oh yeah yeah oh yeah

Speaker 21 it was like three four dollars a minute i mean a phone bill

Speaker 21 hey quick high that old had that big old brick too i don't know why i had a brick bro I was a seventh round draft pick nigga, $64,000. I got a cell phone bill.

Speaker 22 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 21 The Motorola, the Motorola, 8-8-something. I know you're talking about.
Yeah, that big brick. Yeah, they had the big brick.
Now, they had the one that

Speaker 21 you had the pouch.

Speaker 21 You had to carry like a pouch with it, yeah. Yeah, that you carried on your person.
You could just hit it, yeah. And then they came with the portable.
What's her joke?

Speaker 21 Was it free on the weekends?

Speaker 21 Could you come? That came later. At first, it wasn't like that.
You had to pay. And it was all like if you go out of the area, it was Roman.
So you got Roman charging. Roman charging.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Man, the Roman charging, man,

Speaker 22 It'd be crazy.

Speaker 21 I ain't no. Hey, let me tell you.
I didn't know nothing about the Roman charge. I just, hey, they didn't explain it to you back then, Ocho.
They don't explain it to you now that this what you get.

Speaker 21 And if you go over your data, you got to pay extra. They didn't explain it.
Phone, this is what it costs. Blah, blah, blah.
I ain't know nothing about Roman.

Speaker 21 I ain't know if you go out of the thing Roman with extra, like $6, and you get a call. I'm big balling.
Oh, you're taking my phone on the road. That's Roman.

Speaker 21 You got money. What?

Speaker 22 Hey, listen, I forgot. I forgot what service provider.

Speaker 21 You ain't got no money?

Speaker 22 Yeah, I forgot what service provider I was with, Joe and Uncle, but I understood.

Speaker 21 I forgot what I was with too, OJ.

Speaker 22 I had them explaining to me about the minutes.

Speaker 22 And they said, well, if you use a certain amount of minutes and you hold on to it, they don't use your phone that much this month, the minutes going to roll over.

Speaker 21 They roll over. Roll over to the next month.
I say, yeah.

Speaker 22 So I'm going to make sure I don't go over a certain amount of minutes. So I got a little bit extra going to the next month.
Joe. Boy, hey, there was some days back then, boy.

Speaker 21 Boy, them some days. It don't work like that.
You better burn through them minutes so quick. Quick.
Man, what?

Speaker 21 You burned through the minutes so quick. And then, once they brought that weekend, uh, uh, after what, after seven o'clock, yeah, and weekend free, hey, I call, hey, I call y'all at 705.

Speaker 21 You ain't get no call during the day on the phone, on the phone, all night long. You get, hey, I call you when it's free, and then the weekend, wow, you blur that thing up.

Speaker 21 Hey, I'm there to this thing.

Speaker 21 hey to that thing get hot on the side of your head you got oh yeah hold on and joe hey joe and hey hey don't have no girlfriend though on the weekend y'all be on the phone you be on the phone all day all night hold on you wake up the phone sitting on your chest hello

Speaker 21 oh you you still there

Speaker 21 Yeah, I'm the whole hey, boy, hey, there was some days.

Speaker 22 Hey, Joe, I know you did that.

Speaker 21 It was a day, though, it was a day that you ain't gonna lie. Come on now.
Hey, on the phone all night long. Ain't don't be talking about nothing.
Ain't talking about nothing.

Speaker 21 Six, seven hours straight.

Speaker 21 Man,

Speaker 21 they made the phone, this phones got smaller, and they had the little clip that you have on your side, like that star ticket.

Speaker 22 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the sidekick, too, yeah.

Speaker 21 Oh, man.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 22 Oh, them some good memories.

Speaker 21 Let me ask you this, Joe and Ocho. Which game do you think will have the most views? Browns Raiders or Eagles Cowboys?

Speaker 21 Browns?

Speaker 21 Browns

Speaker 21 Probably the Browns Raiders.

Speaker 22 I mean, it's a lot of people.

Speaker 21 Man, it's a lot of people looking forward to seeing Shadure play. They are.
Browns Raiders. He got his thing.
It's in the early window. So

Speaker 21 they're not really going head to head because

Speaker 21 the Fox game, the Cowboys, Eagles, I think, if I'm not mistaken. 425.
Is that 425? 425, right? And so Winchie Carb is in that 105 window.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 21 So all those things. It's just the Cowboys, man.
Hey,

Speaker 21 did you see all those Cowboys fans Monday night at that stadium? Oh, Joe, yo. Yeah, I did.
Did you see all those cowboy fans?

Speaker 21 I flew out. We flew out, Jordan, I flew out on Tuesday morning.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 21 Joe, Ocho. I was like, hold on.
They fans weren't going to Dallas. They flying to Atlanta.
So I can just imagine the people going back to Dallas.

Speaker 21 I can imagine the people going elsewhere because there were so many Cowboy fans in that airport. So many Cowboy fans.
I'm talking about Cowboy hats, cowboy boots, that jersey, CD jersey.

Speaker 21 I'm like, oh my goodness. You people traveling, man.
They travel. Hey, the Steelers.
Oh, man. They love the Cowboys.
Hey, the Steelers.

Speaker 21 They're both in the late. Oh, actually,

Speaker 21 they moved them.

Speaker 21 The Coast Chief is in the early window. So the Coast Chief is the one o'clock game.
And now the

Speaker 21 Browns, Raiders. and the Cowboys Eagle are both in the same 425 window.
Oh, shit. It's going to be interesting.
Yeah.

Speaker 21 I still think the browns and raiders gonna have the most views and the way they do that see you can't get uh what you call them like like sometimes you can have they have okay you can watch this game this game this game this game they're not finna do it with these two games you gotta

Speaker 21 you gotta

Speaker 21 hey look why it's so hard to watch the game now man you got to download eight apps

Speaker 21 you sure do

Speaker 21 guess what joe

Speaker 21 Guess what? When that new contract come up, you're going to have to download some more. Yeah.

Speaker 21 That's how you get it.

Speaker 21 Well, you already got Netflix, but Netflix.

Speaker 21 Netflix is going to want to package.

Speaker 21 That's how they get it.

Speaker 21 That's how these franchises, you see all these franchises, how they skyrocket in prices.

Speaker 21 I mean, a Broncos owner just, he just bought the Broncos for $4.5 million. Now they're worth $6.8 billion.
In five, six years, they've increased $2.3 billion.

Speaker 21 The Cowboys worth, what, $11, $12, $13 billion. Jerry bought it for $13,500, $140 million.

Speaker 21 Hey, that's why because the revenue, there's nothing, look, there are a lot of sports.

Speaker 21 There's baseball, there's basketball, but don't nothing move the needle in North America like NFL football. Damn folks love some football.
Especially two reasons.

Speaker 21 Fantasy and sports betting.

Speaker 21 Because you watch it intently. Are they going to cover Ocho? And then now the prop bets?

Speaker 21 Man, sometimes you don't even care about the game.

Speaker 21 i just want to see a cd get six catches i just want to see a cd get 75 y'all i want to see what chase that's hey that's why i had to that's what i care about i don't care all that other stuff i try to get these props

Speaker 21 hey look on ojo that's why i have to stop betting i can't watch the game in peace because i got i got my

Speaker 21 i'm trying to hit I'm like, man, and look, it's like when you're watching it intensely like that, you ain't never going to hit.

Speaker 21 But boy, I let you mess around, make a bed, and end up falling asleep or something. Boy, Boy, you be right on the number.

Speaker 21 Every time.

Speaker 22 I had to stop watching.

Speaker 21 I had to stay.

Speaker 21 That's how they do when you play the cash three of the cash. Hey, I know you happy.
Happy about what?

Speaker 21 I know you happy. I know

Speaker 21 your birthday came. I said, what? What birthday? That was my sister called me.
Tell me, yeah, I know you probably had it. I said, had what?

Speaker 21 Your birthday. I said, huh? My birthday hit?

Speaker 21 0626, cash four.

Speaker 21 I had, you know what I'm saying, don't you? I had it straight in straight box.

Speaker 21 A little cool, a little cool $12,500. A little $12,500 I hit.

Speaker 21 Then the cash three, my aunt's birthday, 7-Eleven.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 21 I played it. I had it 10 times straight.
It came. That's 5,000.
They tried to run it back past me, Joe, the next day because I played it that evening on Sunday. And I played it again.

Speaker 21 Broke on, you know what? Y'all 0-4.

Speaker 21 Y'all slick. Y'all going to try to run it back again.
Hey, guess what? They came and brought it right back. Brought it right back, Joe.
And guess what? I was sitting on it again.

Speaker 21 Another 5,000. Yeah, Joe.
They can't get on boundaries.

Speaker 22 Matter of fact, you know what? I'm going to do that. Now, you just gave me an idea.
You know,

Speaker 22 I'm going to play my grandma and my mama's birthdays.

Speaker 22 I'm going to play my grandma and my mama's birthdays. Probably play, you know, maybe do the year they were born.
Yeah, I'm going to go play.

Speaker 21 I don't know.

Speaker 21 That's normally what it is. Yeah, that's normally what I do.
You play your birthday. If you play it, you know, you can play it straight, combo, straight box.

Speaker 21 I played it straight. I had it two times straight and one time combo.

Speaker 21 Combo probably cost you $2 because it's extra because now any way it comes, those numbers come. It could come 6620.
It could come 6602.

Speaker 21 Any combination, and you'll get half of what you normally would get. So,

Speaker 21 oh, yeah,

Speaker 21 I'll hit it. I hit a lick on it.
Oh, Joe, Bill's wide receiver Keon Coleman is reportedly likely to be inactive for the second consecutive game.

Speaker 21 Keon is expected to sit tomorrow's against Texans, according to Eric Turner of Cover One. Earlier in the week, Koshawn McDermott said he needs to see Keon show growth to get back on the field.

Speaker 21 On Thursday night against the Texans, the Bills are likely to go with Joshua Palmer, Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shavers, Khalil Shakir, and Gabe Davis as active.

Speaker 22 Hey, listen, they're going with the veterans. They're going with the veterans.

Speaker 22 Hey, listen, obviously as a rookie, you know, you want to come in and make your impact, but they have players that are a little bit more impactful, a little bit more impactful than you are and bring a little bit more to the table than you do.

Speaker 22 So, you know, obviously,

Speaker 22 I mean, at this point, we're going into week 12, week 13, whatever it may be. I mean, it's already set in stone.

Speaker 22 I mean, anything that you could have shown or proved that you could do, you haven't done it to date, which is why they're comfortable making you inactive, showing you that we can get the job done without you, especially as productive as they were offensively last week without you.

Speaker 22 Hell, you know that.

Speaker 22 We don't need them.

Speaker 21 That's a great story. OG, I got a great story to tell you.

Speaker 21 Joe, ooh.

Speaker 22 Yeah, we had what, five, six touchdowns, and you didn't play. So, well, hell, but what's the point of this point?

Speaker 21 Say up, six. 317 yards.

Speaker 22 Yeah. Hey, so, hey, you know what that means?

Speaker 22 To me, all it says is Keon Coleman, young bull, I know you're going to see this. You know, I love you to death.
We talk all the time. Come on down here with me in the offseason.

Speaker 22 Come on down here with me in the offseason. I guarantee you, they'll never sit you down again.

Speaker 22 Even if you do miss a meeting, you'll be too valuable for them and what you bring to the table on a Sunday for them to sit you down. Come on down here, work with your boy now.

Speaker 21 I remember my rookie season, Dennis Smith, number 49, Ocho. We call him Kahuna.

Speaker 21 And Kahuna, I mean, he was one of the guys that from the time I got there, he always, I don't know what it was, but the veteran players, a lot of the veteran players that were really good took a liking to me.

Speaker 21 Him,

Speaker 21 L. Way, I mean, I mean, veteran players, Huna got there in 81, John got there, obviously, in 83 with the trade through Baltimore.
But they, the best took a liking to me.

Speaker 21 And I remember him saying, Sharp,

Speaker 21 never let them see they can win without you. Oh, dude, that's why I shot up a lot of times, because I didn't want my backup to get in.

Speaker 21 And then all of a sudden, he played well, and then all of a sudden they figured they can move on from me.

Speaker 21 So that was also another reason that i shot up but i never forget him saying that he said sharp never let them see that they can win without you if you notice who adopts that the quarterbacks brady take every rep Peyton Manning took every rep, Brett Favre took every rep, Drew Brees took every rep.

Speaker 21 You're not going to see if that guy can play or he can't play. Because I'm never going to give you an opportunity to let you see if he can play.

Speaker 21 You just got to go on your instinct because I ain't coming out of there. See, what Keon Coleman did, he allowed them to let terrell shavers get on the field show

Speaker 21 we can win without him

Speaker 21 now once they find out they can win without you guess what they'll do ocho win without you and they'll move on now he the coach says i need to see growth we having a conversation about a guy in the second year that shows growth now

Speaker 21 i'm gonna tell you look got a great personality Hey, the best. But after a while,

Speaker 21 they'll be going to be laughing at you. You talk about, guess what, this jacket, guess where I got this jacket from? I'm going to go back.

Speaker 21 get it's funny key key key but at the end of the day you better be putting some points on the board you better be getting some yards you better be getting some catches you better get some some sacks and interceptions you better do something other than make them laugh because they're gonna say you need to go to the improv you need to be at the laugh factory because the football field ain't where you need to be right at the end of the day

Speaker 21 as as my good friend glow said the day gonna end And when it ends, you better have catches, yards, and touchdowns if you play on the officer side of football as a skilled position player. And

Speaker 21 they're not playing.

Speaker 21 Hey, OJo, it's too much money involved because before you know it, they're going to have to make an investment. $20, $25, $30, $35, $40 million.

Speaker 21 And they say, hold on. You doing this and you on your rookie contract.
What's going to happen if we give you 30 million, Ojo? Yeah.

Speaker 22 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 22 You got to be special. There got to be something about you, Joe.
There got to be something about you as a receiver that separates you. Everybody play receiver.

Speaker 22 everybody can run everybody can can catch what is it about you that makes you that much more valuable and better than the next man it got to be one thing you ain't got to be a bunch it's got to be one thing that separates you from everybody else hey unc Joe you know on every on every nfl team there's a number one receiver and there's a number two receiver there's something about that number one receiver that the number two can't do whatever it may be they both play the same position but one is a little better than the other you have to find that one niche they got just just one, Joe.

Speaker 22 That's it. That's all it takes.

Speaker 22 And they got to find it. His personality is so big.
It's so big. If we can get his game on the field to match his personality.

Speaker 21 He ain't got to match it, though.

Speaker 22 Oh, my God. Hey, Joe, I'm talking about it's two.
It's two players I want to work with so bad, Joe.

Speaker 22 So bad, because I know if I can get them anywhere close to how their personality is in front of that camera off the field,

Speaker 21 we talk about all world.

Speaker 22 We talk about all world. They can be in a conversation of top five based on if they can get their skill set up the part and match their personality.
Yeah. Keon Coleman is one.

Speaker 22 The other one is Xavier Leggett.

Speaker 21 Hey, listen.

Speaker 22 Hey, them boys, them boys electric when that camera's in front of them, boy.

Speaker 21 If I can get their game to match their personality, man.

Speaker 21 Okay, Ocho. I like Keon Coleman.

Speaker 21 And this could be a wake-up call for him. You know, for him to be a healthy scratch again.
Like, you know, you know, what could potentially be coming next down the pipe, man?

Speaker 21 This should this should make him really look at himself in the mirror and get to work and be like, Man, when I get back out there, I got to get them boys hell.

Speaker 21 You know what I mean?

Speaker 21 So, uh, I'm hoping, I'm hoping he takes some good from this, bro, because I seen him over there dancing and all that when he knew he was out.

Speaker 21 Hey, look, I tell my son,

Speaker 21 that irked me, man. I tell my son who went to college, I said, hey, bro, they watching you.
Even when you don't think they watching you, boy, they watching you.

Speaker 21 Yeah, they watching you. So you sit over there and moat, pout, and do all that.
Man, no folks watching, man.

Speaker 21 Always.

Speaker 21 We've all been here.

Speaker 21 The longer you go without something, the easier it is to be without something. The longer they play without Keon in that lineup, the easier it becomes to them to play without him in the lineup.

Speaker 21 I'll give you a prime example. You saw they say CD and

Speaker 21 Pick went out. Yeah.
Now, if that's the third, fourth, and fifth receiver, they're not even playing. Right.
But that's the one and two receiver, they miss a series. You see the difference?

Speaker 21 Jimmy Johnson says, Jimmy Johnson cut a guy for sleeping in the meeting. The reporter said, well, Jimmy, if that was Troy and he was sleeping in the meeting, what would you have done?

Speaker 21 He said, I'd have woke his ass up.

Speaker 21 One guy get cut,

Speaker 21 the other guy

Speaker 21 gets woken up.

Speaker 21 They asked Mike, well, but, you know, you say you lead the players if they're not there. Well,

Speaker 21 what if it's TD? What if it's Shard? What if it's L Way?

Speaker 21 Well, that's the one thing about charting the flight. They wait on you.
We're going to wait. But you understand the level of importance by some of the things that you can get away with.

Speaker 21 But I'm going to be on time because I need to be on the back of the plane to make sure when everybody else get on, I see what they're wearing so I can cut their ass up when they got on some bull job.

Speaker 21 And that's what my job was on your get to the plane early so I can see what you got on. You know, if you got on bus two.

Speaker 21 That's what sharp was. That's what them that's what them Jonas them Jonas were.
It was coming, huh? If you got on some some bullshit, don't you get on bus too? We had coaches getting on that bus, man.

Speaker 21 I just want to see what 80 folk gonna say about what such and such got on.

Speaker 21 Come to the right place because I would tear his ass up.

Speaker 21 But

Speaker 21 Keon, don't you, don't, don't you, don't you, hey,

Speaker 21 let us cut you. Don't you give us a reason to cut you.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 21 they will. Boy, do you understand? There's a guy in college right now won't Keon Coleman spot.
There's a guy in high school, want to be a starting receiver, want to be a receiver on the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 21 And high school, bruh. And got his head down working.
These y'all,

Speaker 21 this ain't no doctor, no lawyer. You don't get no 30-year career in the NFL.
They replace every year the turnover. That's why the average NFL career is 2.3 years.

Speaker 21 Even when you get a guy like Aaron Rodgers, they got 20 seasons. Even you got a guy like Mercedes-Lewis, they got 20 seasons.
And 15 and 18, the average NFL career is 2.3 years. That's it.

Speaker 21 So how many guys, in order for that 20 20 and 18 and 15 Ojo to drag it down to 2.3? That means a lot of guys playing one year or not even playing at all. At all.
Absolutely. Hey, look at it.

Speaker 21 Look, look, look at the NBA. It's 450 guys every year, not just this year, not last year, every year.
So if they got 50 new guys coming in every year, guess what?

Speaker 21 They got to have at least 50 going out. 50 guys got to go.

Speaker 21 It's 450 guys. It's only 450 guys every year, bro.

Speaker 22 Hey, that's why you got to stay on top top of your game. That's why you got to continuously train.

Speaker 21 That's it.

Speaker 21 And don't give them a reason to.

Speaker 22 You got to get better.

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