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Speaker 8 Okay, Deshaun Jackson threw some gasoline on the A.J. Brown Jalen Hurts relationship.
D-Jack said,

Speaker 8 as you can tell, it's something else going on, and i got a great relationship with him i respect him i can say it but i know something else is going on it's not all about football it's not all about x's and o's i have a relationship with the quarterback and i didn't necessarily like and when it hate there it sticks like like a sore thumb that's all i'm gonna say

Speaker 8 now we know he didn't have the greatest relationship with donovan mcnab

Speaker 8 I guess he was telling the story about

Speaker 8 D-Jack was one of the first players. I think he got, he was first team.
I think he was a first-team, he was a Pro Bowl receiver and a Pro Bowl, pro Pro Bowl, but returner.

Speaker 8 Like the first time that a player had been selected to the Pro Bowl in two positions.

Speaker 8 And he said that Donovan said something

Speaker 8 to the effect that I don't think he should have made it exist. I don't know.
That's what D Jack was telling the story.

Speaker 8 But he has a straight has or had, I don't know the relationship currently, a strained relationship with D-Mac.

Speaker 8 D-Jack said, hey, something else going on.

Speaker 8 That's all he's going to say. He ain't going to say no more, OJo.
He said, but there's something going on. OJo, you were the wide receiver.

Speaker 8 As far as I know, you had a great relationship with all your quarterbacks. Kitna, Carson.

Speaker 8 And that's the only really quarterback. I don't know if you had anybody else in Cincinnati.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 8 Scott Mitchell. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I've never had any issues.
I never had issues.

Speaker 9 No gripes, obviously, with the quarterbacks,

Speaker 9 which to me, to me, if you think about me, Joe, you've known me for a while.

Speaker 9 Unc, you've known me for a while, not just on the show but before you know i'm very likable onk i'm very likable not in a setting just like this talking on the mic but hell

Speaker 9 come on man damn what i see i see that's it you know spanish right i see i see yeah yeah yeah i got you i got you but but i'm very likable joe and i'm easy to get along with in any environment hey joe i walk on a room boy i light up the whole goddamn room joe i'm the same way in a locker room so i've never had any issues with any quarterbacks i'm when it's time to work you know what what you're doing.

Speaker 8 Except when you're on nightcap, you don't light up that room. Yeah, I light up the room.

Speaker 8 I said that out loud. Did you hear that? Ocho? I said that out loud.
I heard, yeah, I heard you. I heard you.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 9 Hey, Joe.

Speaker 8 I love everybody. I love everybody.

Speaker 9 So I ain't really had no problems. I never understood why receivers get into it with the quarterback, and they're the ones that got to get him the ball.

Speaker 8 Hey, Ocho.

Speaker 8 Why they call y'all divas? Why they call the receivers divas?

Speaker 9 Oh, you know, they always look for a word to use

Speaker 9 when we're not aligned in how they view we should be like that's that's how they they they find a word to use when we we don't when we don't conform to the ways they think we should act right you know they they they they find a word to use they they call it a diva you know oh he don't want to get with the program you know what he's a diva oh he don't want to be a political robot oh he's a diva oh he has personality oh he likes to be an individual and and and express himself yeah he's a diva just a bunch of bullshit joe that's all it is right i got you shooter

Speaker 8 name any of the top female artists and everybody says the same thing about them from a refer to patty to shocka to beyonce to mariah to whitney all of them say the same thing yeah name one that they just they didn't they didn't call that

Speaker 8 when you them when you them girls okay so be it yeah okay they them guys they know it yeah they know it ain't got no problem with it hey all i want you to do hey

Speaker 8 just go out there and score touchdowns get the yards all that other stuff. Hey, I'm gonna let y'all work that up with your quarterback.

Speaker 8 Yeah, y'all work that out with a quarterback. But like Ocho said,

Speaker 8 if that guy got to throw me the ball, he's the last guy I'm gonna piss off. Yeah, I'll piss off the offensive coordinator before I piss off him.

Speaker 8 Because even if the coordinator calls something that's not coming to me, I'm not primary. That quarterback likes me enough.
I'm gonna be primary whether he called it or not.

Speaker 8 Exactly. Exactly.
So I'm staying on his good side.

Speaker 8 Damn, what the hey? Because at the end of the day, it's like, well, what you hey, John said, hey, we called this, I want you to run this. Got it.

Speaker 8 That's not, that's not what we call. That's what he called.
I don't give a damn what y'all call. That's what he called.
You ain't got no ball in your hand. You got a clipboard.
You got a headset.

Speaker 8 Right. I want the football.
He got it. And he told me to run this.
So I assume he's going to throw me the ball.

Speaker 8 So take it over. I don't need, hey, Ocho.
I don't start to carry it on. I said, hey, he called it.
Take it with him. I'm going to the bench.

Speaker 8 And keep it moving. But look,

Speaker 8 it ain't going away. Because we've seen, because what has happened, Ocho, is that I think a lot of people thought after they won the Super Bowl, you know what, AJ say, you know what?

Speaker 8 But AJ wants to win and

Speaker 8 he wants the offense to be productive. He knows there's a level that this offense can get to that it's it's not getting to.

Speaker 8 And he's tired of, he's tired of like, oh, you know, skating by and relying on the defense and, you know, 15 completed, you know, 15 passes when this offense can be so much more. Yes.
Right.

Speaker 8 And he's like,

Speaker 8 I'm just tired of it.

Speaker 8 And so if going to the Pro Bowl last year, winning the Super Bowl wasn't going to suppress that, you think getting him four targets a game and he's going to be cool with that after he came off a Pro Bowl and a Super Bowl Ocho?

Speaker 8 Joe? It's crazy.

Speaker 8 It's crazy. It ain't going to happen.

Speaker 8 It's just not. And I don't know.
I don't know what they can do short of him

Speaker 8 being like Jackson Smith and Jigba or being Cooper or being a Puka Nakura where you getting 10, 11 targets a game.

Speaker 8 I don't even, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 9 Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, that offense, obviously, when you think about JSN and what he's doing in Seattle, when you look at Puka Nakura and obviously with the Rams, the creativity, the schemes, the multiple formations that they put those individuals in to be successful and get those kind of volume targets and catches and yards, that's not the Eagles' offense.

Speaker 9 That's not the way they run their offense, nor do they have the type of quarterback. Is he capable of doing that or throwing high volume like that? Maybe, but that's not what they do in Philly.

Speaker 9 It's just not. So, when the targets that you do get, it's going to be a few of them.

Speaker 8 So, you better maximize them. You better maximize them.

Speaker 9 You got to maximize them every time, every chance you get.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I agree. I mean, the way Matthew Stafford is throwing that thing around the field,

Speaker 8 it's night and day from when, you know, Jalen Hurts is back there. I mean, they just two totally different quarterbacks.

Speaker 9 Joe, Joe, Matthew Stafford is a gunslinger, Joe.

Speaker 8 Man, listen, I'm watching him, Mojo.

Speaker 9 Joe, he's a gunslinger, Joe.

Speaker 9 I'm not calling him Brett Favre. I'm not calling him Aaron Rodgers, but he ain't too far off when it comes to throwing that goddamn ball.

Speaker 8 Oh, he can throw it.

Speaker 9 He different, boy.

Speaker 8 And the thing, and the thing is, is that now you get a better appreciation for him because he's winning. Yes.
He ain't doing nothing different than what he did in Detroit. Yeah.

Speaker 8 He got to winning though.

Speaker 8 He got some winning.

Speaker 8 He was throwing no look passes in Detroit. He threw for 5,000 yards in Detroit.
He had a 500-yard game in Detroit.

Speaker 8 He's just winning now.

Speaker 8 You see the difference between winning and losing? We look at Matthew Stafford totally different now than when we looked at him in Detroit.

Speaker 8 And he's the exact same player. He's just winning.

Speaker 9 He got a ring now, too.

Speaker 8 So, see,

Speaker 8 you what'd you say, Ocho? You see how a ring changed the perception of him? Yeah, how we think. Yeah, but a ring does that.

Speaker 8 The ring will change the perspective of how we look at women, how we look at men. They're more stable.
They're settled down. Structure.
They're more structured.

Speaker 8 They're level-headed. They're more apt to act accordingly.
Yeah. See, you see what

Speaker 8 i ain't talking about those super bowls i'm just talking about they go on his finger yeah yeah you see how we we look at things totally different with that ring be it

Speaker 8 male female let me let me let me where it be male or woman because i don't want them talking about oh fee you see how you see how beside you daddy he said he call them what women yeah women i apologize anybody that was offended that i used the term female i apologize i meant women yeah 80s women and i'm glad you went there too with that i know we were talking football but you gave a nice little likes a nice little life lesson on on on how we're viewed on the outside looking in especially yes for sure especially for those who can who

Speaker 9 can see us and want to partner with and have a better understanding well hell these individuals these young these young black men older black men as well you know they got a little discipline now they not the same as they was

Speaker 8 Yeah, I got to do it, Joe. Joe.

Speaker 8 We might as well go back. Hey, hey, hey, look, look, look.

Speaker 8 I like how Jordan and Ash done the little, the wood thing right before,

Speaker 8 you know, right before we came on. You know, y'all came up with me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Hold up, though. Why I got to be the drunk, the drunk guy getting married with no sense, though.
That's all I'm saying. Why I got to be that guy?

Speaker 8 Why y'all couldn't figure out nobody else for me to be? I got to be Tay Diggs out here losing my mind, going crazy.

Speaker 8 Hey, Joe, who was that?

Speaker 9 Who was that in that movie? Which one was that?

Speaker 8 I don't know, man. I don't know.
I just know I was the one out there drunk, busted, and disgusted. Come on, now.
What damn? So let me get it right. You want me to be that guy, Joe?

Speaker 8 Nah, I should have been Ochro. Me? Ocho.
Hey, I don't even drink.

Speaker 9 I don't even drink, so it can't be me.

Speaker 8 They don't know that, though.

Speaker 9 Okay, yeah, you're right. Hey, but hold on, hold on.
Let me get back to my point, man. Let me get back to you.

Speaker 8 Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 9 We talk about rings and how rings, you know, we're viewed differently.

Speaker 8 Change the perception of how people view you and how people view us.

Speaker 9 So, I think, Joe, you, you, Joe, you're not married, but you got your woman, huh?

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 9 hey, one thing about it, hey,

Speaker 9 listen, we say we would jump in the broom next year. Hey,

Speaker 9 we could make it a triple-decker wedding.

Speaker 8 We got a good, I probably, we probably get a great price on a menu.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Joe, what you want to do, Joe?

Speaker 8 We got to sit down and talk about this guy.

Speaker 9 Nah, hey, Joe, boy, you got cold feet, nigga.

Speaker 8 Don't do that.

Speaker 8 You got cold feet. And you answered that a little too fast.

Speaker 8 You answered that too fast.

Speaker 8 I'm just saying, we gotta really, we gotta really, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 I mean, I mean, oh, I mean, damn, I mean, you know, you've been with your people for a little minute now,

Speaker 8 I mean, me and Joe. I mean, I might need a man, like I said, might be 27.
Can I do this?

Speaker 9 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you promised, you promised.

Speaker 8 You said 2026, you were jumping a broom, man. Promise, you know, oh, Joe,

Speaker 8 grandfather used to say, promise like pie crust, thin and easily broken. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 A marriage is a commitment.

Speaker 9 Here we go. Hey, and I listen, and marriage is a commitment, also.
And with that marriage, how do they view you again?

Speaker 8 Tim will make that view you as structured and stable. And that's somebody I want to, I want to.
That's why you see. That's why you see.
Hey, think about it. Patrick Mahomes, what did he do?

Speaker 8 Josh Allen, what did Josh Allen do this offseason? Married

Speaker 8 Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Michael Jordan. What did they do? Stephan Curry.
What did they do?

Speaker 8 Now, do now now you shohe otane aaron judge the only guy that was really like the baseball guy was jeter yeah jeter waited to after he get married but if you go back and look at the other guys

Speaker 8 barry bonds all those guys so

Speaker 8 what did tiger woods do go get married yeah phil mickelson was married jack arnold all those guys were married so what is that telling you so you you you saying it you running it all the way down and you still and you still not understanding i understand the joe otro okay

Speaker 9 so 2026 we we jumping the broom whether whether you want to whether whether you want to or not i'm seeing i'm sure you got somebody in mind and listen

Speaker 8 you can get

Speaker 8 limbo over that thing

Speaker 8 oh yeah

Speaker 8 i'm able

Speaker 9 we on the same page man i'm glad we on the same page because hey we we can be viewed differently. And once we're viewed differently, boom, we talk about more blessings.

Speaker 9 You know what?

Speaker 8 We could work with them.

Speaker 9 They're a little different now.

Speaker 9 They didn't settle down.

Speaker 9 The clouds, the storm is gone now. It ain't nothing but sunshine.

Speaker 8 Ocho, we can't do that. We can't do that talking no more, though, Ocho.
What kind of talking? The kind of talking that we used to do.

Speaker 8 That's okay. We can.

Speaker 9 Hey, listen, we can't lose. Listen, we can't lose our edge now.
We can't do that.

Speaker 8 We can't lose our edge.

Speaker 8 I thought Uncle coming back in 26. We supposed to, you know, we, yeah, wey, Joe, you know, I'm still, I still got, you know, I got, I got 12, I got 12 months probation.

Speaker 8 So they say, you know, you know, probably like May, like after a little bit, after April, May.

Speaker 8 Okay. You know, you know, you're ball

Speaker 9 April, May,

Speaker 9 man. Hell no.
When that ball dropped,

Speaker 8 hey, Joe, hey, you know, hey, oh, Joe, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 It's

Speaker 8 2.45.

Speaker 8 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Hey, when that ball dropped, it's a wrap.

Speaker 8 It's a new year. Come on, Ocho.

Speaker 8 When the ball dropped, probation officer, he be watching.

Speaker 9 Man, fuck the P.O.

Speaker 9 A good time serve.

Speaker 8 You know, they let you off early.

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Speaker 8 To Carissa Shields, teaching me how to box. Let's take a look at this.

Speaker 9 Let me see that. Where you at, huh?

Speaker 8 Almost. So we gonna bend your legs on.
Hey, man, step into your body.

Speaker 8 Back foot, on your back leg, because what you're gonna do when you push off, you wanna make sure that your weight stays in the middle of here.

Speaker 8 So when you push off, you're going forward, but you still just

Speaker 8 take a little step, go.

Speaker 8 That's the good job. Please push not to get away.

Speaker 8 You can't feel it, though. See,

Speaker 8 That's like a flicker. If you push off your back wave the way that you really want to push off and really get it,

Speaker 8 that is going to stick them. You know what I'm saying? Like, make them say what's up.
Okay. So probably,

Speaker 8 boom.

Speaker 8 I'm eating that. So when you got this hand,

Speaker 8 you can get that hand up. Because you're already hitting your chin.
Yeah, yeah, you're right here. So you're going to pull this shoulder back, switch positions, and put that shoulder in front.

Speaker 8 That's where the power comes. Okay, boom, boom, almost try again,

Speaker 8 go fish, fish. That was more stronger.
Oh, that was

Speaker 8 stiffer than ginger.

Speaker 8 Your jab a little soft.

Speaker 8 Boom, boom. That's

Speaker 8 still moving. So now that we got that jab, we got that right.
We're going to get our hook. We're going to pull this shoulder back now and make an L with this man.
The L, uppercase L. Ah, ah, ah.

Speaker 8 Twist.

Speaker 8 I need some rap.

Speaker 8 We got to work on a little hook, man. Hey.

Speaker 10 You sweating already.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you see that? You sweating already.

Speaker 8 So last score is we're going to have that jab.

Speaker 8 Step with it. We're going to have that two.

Speaker 8 You're going to put that three on. And the uppercut, dad, see, everything up in the top.
One, two, three. But the uppercut, you making a U here.
So it's coming from here.

Speaker 8 Here. If you want to to go to the body, bring your legs.
You're going to go to the head. You bring it right in.

Speaker 8 One, two, three. Uppercut here.

Speaker 4 There we go.

Speaker 8 Perfect.

Speaker 8 Hey, that's Stephen A. Smith uppercut.
They really not ready for shit. They ain't ready.
They prepare that red. They're really not ready for us.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, I can't get you. Yo, call me.

Speaker 8 I'm coming.

Speaker 8 Hey. Hey, Uncle.
Hey, man. Hey.

Speaker 9 Hey, Joe. Hey, you got to come work with your boy, man.
We're going to come up with your boy. I'm going to show you how that thing's supposed to look.
Hey, hey, hey, Ash.

Speaker 9 Hey, hey, show, show, show Uncle Joe that clip, man. Hey, chat.
Let me show you how you supposed to look.

Speaker 8 Hey, look at this. Look at this, Uncle.
Look at this.

Speaker 9 This is how it's supposed to look. And look how smooth.

Speaker 9 Yo, I don't play Joe.

Speaker 9 Nice and tight. Everything.

Speaker 9 Hand, hey, handle, handle, oh, up top.

Speaker 8 Just uh, just real sharp.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, man, listen. Hey, Uncle Joe, what's up?

Speaker 8 I got so much admiration for boxers, bro. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Not only just the shape that they be in, but that's like a

Speaker 8 rhythm and time in sport.

Speaker 8 That ain't nothing you can just pick up and go in there. I know you're going to look like Muhammad Ali.
And now you got to be putting in some work. Everything is tied together.

Speaker 8 Man, everything tied together. Hey, them feet, them hands tied to the feet.

Speaker 8 Hey,

Speaker 9 the funny thing about it is the whole body got to be working in unison. It does.
Everything has to be working in unison.

Speaker 9 And obviously, there's a certain coordination that you have in football to be able to transition into boxing is very difficult. It is.
Very, very, very, very difficult.

Speaker 9 But, you know, boxing, that's my thing. And, and, and, and, you know, when I, when I fight Devo, hey, hey, Joe, when I fight Devo,

Speaker 9 when I fight Devo, and that y'all just saw a nice little clip, and that's from three years ago.

Speaker 9 So you got to understand, I've been training for the last one, two, three, the last five years now since i fought and obviously you know it's my first time in there so i'm not gonna look nothing like that i've been i thought hold on i thought y'all fighting in the octagon oh it oh joe i'm gonna keep him at a distance joe i'm gonna keep

Speaker 9 yeah you gotta choose that joe you just saw that clip right yeah them feet joe i'm gonna keep them feet i'm gonna keep him at a distance i'm gonna hit him about 10 times And he'll never be able to touch me.

Speaker 9 Never be able to grab me, Joe. Hey, I'm getting around everything, too.
Hold on, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm not running either i'm not right

Speaker 9 you staying there you right there you know i'm telling you what i'm gonna do i'm gonna keep my arm out for my range and i'm gonna i'm gonna stay i'm gonna stay at mid-range the whole time like hey hey like both of y'all got y'all feet in that tie you you right there you you hey joe i'm i'm coming through and i'm parrying everything whatever it may be joe i'm doing whatever it takes joe

Speaker 8 i'm getting in there you're gonna get that work on You say your trainer told you something about stay on the phone.

Speaker 9 Hey, Joe, I'm on the phone every time because that's how I got knocked down

Speaker 9 my first fight you wasn't on that phone i wasn't on that phone joe i was tired

Speaker 9 i couldn't hey joe i couldn't i swear for god i'm hey it was funny everybody be making jokes oh you got knocked down whatever you got there but you haven't been in the boxing ring the three minutes long ain't it long ass time

Speaker 8 long time your arms get so heavy you can't even lift them up joe i was in we was in the fourth round joe oh my honest my

Speaker 9 i swear to god joe i was in hella shape we got to the fourth round that last minute, Joe, I couldn't even put my hand up here if I wanted to.

Speaker 8 I couldn't.

Speaker 8 I couldn't put it up.

Speaker 9 I couldn't. I did everything I could.

Speaker 8 That's why they have their hands up. That's why they train like that.

Speaker 8 You get used to holding your hands up when you tire.

Speaker 8 If you don't,

Speaker 8 it's going to be night and night. And the thing is, Joe, anytime you throw a punch, you leave yourself open.
Because so if I shoot the jab out here, yeah, I'm protecting this.

Speaker 8 But he come over the top with something.

Speaker 8 Quick.

Speaker 8 If you go back and look at how Bud Crawford caught Canelo, Canelo threw the jab, Bud Bud said, okay, and Bud failed him out, they got to them later around, he shoot the jab, bud on the top, pop right away.

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Speaker 8 to be able to get them shoulders right. yeah man i lift too much yeah

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Speaker 9 I'm going to give him a three-piece of the biscuit.

Speaker 8 Move around. around.

Speaker 9 Hey, move around, Joe. Not run away, Joe.
Move around.

Speaker 8 I get you. I got you.

Speaker 8 Joe, this is your subject. The NBA at large is having, seemingly been hit with an injury and a disastrous rate the start of 2025.
We're not in them a month into the season.

Speaker 8 Giannis, Wimby, Anthony Edwards, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Zion, Paulo Bancaro, all sitting out and have already with meaningful lower bodies, either calves, groin, or Achilles.

Speaker 8 The league average pace of play by team is 100.5, which would be the fastest since the late 80s. Joe, have you ever seen this many stars miss this kind of time this early in an NBA season?

Speaker 8 No, I haven't, Uncle Ocho. I hate it for the game, but man, listen, you know, back when I first came in, man, guys was working, man.
We were playing. Guys, playing hard.
You practice hard.

Speaker 8 You wasn't just revving it up for the game.

Speaker 8 And I feel like now in this, in today's game, you know, guys are really just saving their legs for the game and it's like you revving it up so high during the game and then you taking two three days off and then you revving it back up

Speaker 8 i mean you you're bound to get some of these soft tissue injuries the groin the hamstrings the the the calves

Speaker 8 some bound to give man at some point i mean basketball is strictly running sprints sprints quick sprints up and down the floor so

Speaker 8 I don't know, man.

Speaker 8 I hate it for the game. But yeah, I think I'm not sure if guys work as hard as guys used to.
I'm going to just be honest with you. No, it's a different game.

Speaker 8 I mean, Ocho and I, we know it in our sport. They don't practice like they once did.

Speaker 8 Training camp, they don't practice like they once did. There are really no two-a-days where guys are out there pounding on each other twice.
Practice is mainly walkthrough.

Speaker 8 Now, I think they can only have, what, 13 practices, Ocho, and during the season. It's just a different time now.
And

Speaker 8 it is. I just think the thing is that you got to put your body through what you want it to go through.
The rigors of an NFL season is that you hit in practice.

Speaker 8 I mean, I ain't saying you got to take the guy to the ground, Ocho, but you got to let him feel it. You got to thud up.
Right.

Speaker 8 Get your body used to that.

Speaker 8 You can't ask a car, I mean, to ask a car to just get out on the track and say, you know what, we're just going to be chilling, just take it out of the garage and say, okay, not go 500 miles. Nah.

Speaker 8 Nah. If you're only doing that every Sunday, then some of you,

Speaker 8 you're going to throw a ride and one of them Sundays. Exactly.
But

Speaker 8 the pace of play. I mean, I saw the Lakers let the Lakers got 140.
Uh, I saw a team the other night in regulation got 157. These teams get, I mean, that's what it used to be.

Speaker 8 That's what it used to be. You saw, you saw easy a 160 to 150, a 155 ball game, 170, 180s.
Teams just score 180 points, don't you?

Speaker 8 I mean, I think it was the Pistons beat the Nuggets 183, 181, 180, 183, 181, something like that. But teams would routinely get in the 140s and 130s, 140s.
And then in the 90s, they shut it down.

Speaker 8 And then all of a sudden

Speaker 8 it was 73 to 68. And people are like, man, don't nobody want to see that bull drive.

Speaker 8 At all. Now you got guys scoring what the entire team scored in the ball game.
You got guys scoring that by themselves, Joe. You see guys getting 70 points.

Speaker 8 You see guys getting 60-something points in a game, a one guy.

Speaker 8 When in the 90s, there are guys there were teams scoring 60 something points man listen every every guy on the floor now is a threat it's a threat for sure to to score to shoot the ball you can't be out there if you're a liability nowadays nope you know these teams putting up they they they gonna give you them them appetizing shots because they want the tempo they want the pace So you're going to play against, you know, some of these teams who get up and down and you get you a couple good free looks.

Speaker 8 But man, listen, the game is played at a much, much faster pace nowadays because you don't have guys. Obviously, it ain't but three, four guys in the NBA who post up, man.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 It ain't but three, four guys. I mean, then you look at some of the top guards like Luca, Shea,

Speaker 8 Braun. I'm talking about guys who on the perimeter and they post up and they can play out the post.
But

Speaker 8 it ain't but a few guys who post up in this league now. It's pick and roll lead, catch and shoot, catch and go.
Yep.

Speaker 8 But the guy that can post up can all shoot the three. You look at Jokic.
That's crazy.

Speaker 8 I think Jokic had another triple-double at the end of three quarters. You look at Jim Goon.
He can post up, but he can shoot the three. Giannis is not the most proficient.
He can post up.

Speaker 8 Now, guys, it used to be

Speaker 8 every guy on the court. If you mess around and have a night and don't pay him attention, he can go get 30, 40 points on you.
Yeah, why are you playing? Yeah. It used to be only your top two guys.

Speaker 8 Maybe you had one, two guys on a team. Now, Grayson Allen dropped 42 points.

Speaker 9 Crazy.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Now I'm telling you, you don't pay attention to these guys. You're like, oh, man, oh, he don't worry about it.
He's with us. That Joe will go, he'll go eight for 14 from the three.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And you look at,

Speaker 8 man, that Joe got 40 on us. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You're talking about you thinking Hardenstein can't play. You look up, he got 30 points and 17 rebounds.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You're right. You're absolutely right.
This is got a different time now. These guys, these guys are real.
See, and I think the thing is, look, I'm not saying the guy i'm not saying

Speaker 8 i look at it like this joe i think the guys are more skilled and they softer league so the numbers are going to get out of hand

Speaker 8 because they back then the physicality they not letting you come you might come down the lane one time i bet you won't bring your ass back down there again i'm telling i bet you wouldn't I'm telling.

Speaker 8 You're right. And there weren't no play.
I mean, there weren't no flagrant fouls. That's play on.

Speaker 8 Now, if you, you know, you go to to block a shot and the guy comes out on your foot, that's a flagrant. They're going to get the shot.

Speaker 8 They're going to get three points and they're going to get the ball. It's just a different game.
So these guys are so skilled now. It's just like the quarterbacks, Locho.

Speaker 8 You know, the quarterbacks now, they got throwing coaches. Hell, they're in junior high.
Yeah, oh, absolutely.

Speaker 8 They're going to these seven-on-seven camps and they're working with guys. So when they come in the league, they're so skilled.
Now I'm skilled in a league where we can't punish the quarterback.

Speaker 8 We can't touch the receivers. We can't punish the receivers.
So

Speaker 8 we got guys that are more skilled and

Speaker 8 not as physical of a league, you see what you're going to get?

Speaker 8 It's the same thing in the NBA. You get guys that are more skilled,

Speaker 8 that's in a softer league, and now

Speaker 8 these numbers are astronomical. I agree because the talent in the NBA now is

Speaker 8 so much different from what we've ever seen. I ain't never seen this many seven-footers who can play the point guard, who can shoot the three, three, who can

Speaker 8 post up, who can playmate. It's, man, I watched Singun play the other night, the center for Houston.
Yes. Listen, Ocho, that man, seven foot, they inbounding the ball and him.

Speaker 8 He walking it up like he's Magic Johnson.

Speaker 9 Hell, I saw him get dunked on the night, too.

Speaker 8 Did he?

Speaker 9 Yeah, but it was a foul on, what's the one with the Afro?

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, he pushed off Jared Allen.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Jared Allen, he mushed him, but he dunked on you, but he mushed him in the face.

Speaker 8 Man, listen. These dudes, hey back

Speaker 8 even back when i came into the nba in 2001 guys wasn't playing like that you had two traditional bigs and none of

Speaker 8 none of them shot threes you know what i mean so the the the floor was a lot more clogged up now it's so much space out there right that you able if you if you're a great one-on-one guy you can get by your man man you're gonna always there's a layoff opportunity yeah yeah

Speaker 8 And that's why, so that's why the scoring is up. I mean, look how many 30-point scores we got.
Man,

Speaker 8 look at Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves averaging like 28 points a game.

Speaker 8 Man, Lakers look good.

Speaker 8 Yeah. You see Braun coming in to fit.

Speaker 8 Take that. Listen.

Speaker 8 Look, look, look, look, look what Braun tell you. Man, I ain't just no score.
I ain't got to score 25 tonight. I'm going to settle for this little level, 12 assist.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm going to feel my way in.

Speaker 8 I'm going to get to where y'all want me to get to, but right now, I ain't no need me interrupting what Luca and AR got going on. Them boy ball out of control over there.

Speaker 9 It's so funny. As great as LeBron is, he has an understanding and a self-awareness to understand, listen, when I come in tonight, I'm going to facilitate.

Speaker 9 I think LeBron is probably the best

Speaker 9 overall in every aspect of the game. He brings everything to the table.
You know, he's not coming in, you know what? Oh, I need the ball in my hands. I need to dominate.
I need to be able to shoot.

Speaker 9 He has such a feel for the game to be able to come in and do what he did yesterday with all the time he's had off because of him and having Cicada. and now that that that's crazy he looked real good

Speaker 8 i mean look and luca

Speaker 8 how you stop him because you can't speed him up he's bigger than you think he's stronger than you think yeah and there's a there's not a shot that he can't make i mean you saw the guy make three half court shots in a row where he do that at i mean we've seen guys make half court shots okay fine he made three in a row

Speaker 8 yeah from half court

Speaker 8 yeah i mean he can step back and just when you think hey he'll head fake fake you up, and then whoop, whoop, he'll get you up in the air, jump into you, and one.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he had 30, he had 30-something tonight, and you look up, you're like, I thought I knew he was special when I saw him do what the Clippers, and they had this great defensive team.

Speaker 8 They had Kawhi, they had PG, they had Pat Bell, they had all these defenders, and he cooked every last one of them. Was that in the moment, but he cooked every last one of them.

Speaker 8 I say, well, with that defensive team, if they can't stop him, what happens if he goes against a team that don't have defensive guys like that? You're not stopping that. I agree.
I agree. Hey, man,

Speaker 8 he's cold. He's cold.

Speaker 8 Yes.

Speaker 8 He ain't, hey, like I said,

Speaker 8 he ain't moving fast out there, but he understands angles. He can flip his hips real quick to where he can cut you off and get to his spot.

Speaker 8 And once he raised up, you so nervous that you don't want him to pump and get a foul that you're a late contestant. And he's probably going to make that nine times out of ten.
Yep.

Speaker 8 But look at the guys. Look at Bird.
Wasn't the fastest. He get to where he wanted to go, how he wanted to get there.
Same thing with Jokic. You look at other guy.

Speaker 8 Jokic ain't gonna jump over a credit card, but he's gonna bust your ass for a 30-point triple-double on a nightly basis. Look at Luca.

Speaker 8 He ain't gonna jump over poster stamp, but he's gonna give you 35, 10, and 8 on a nightly basis. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Boy got game, man.
He good. Yes.
I think, I think, and for me, I think Brun is in a perfect situation. He ain't going to, they don't have to count on him to score almost 30 at night.
Nope.

Speaker 8 He could settle for 22.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? 12 boards, 10 assists, something like that. Like, you know,

Speaker 8 he going to be able to kind of coast his way into this.

Speaker 8 Hey, it's going to be, look, like I said, I mean, the guys, look,

Speaker 8 I'm old enough to remember, and I remember those guys of the 80s, but I just think it's things called evolution. They know more.
They got better training. They got better supplementation.

Speaker 8 They got better nutrition. So obviously, as things evolve,

Speaker 8 you know, and if I evolve something, Ocho, and then you make it easier for me to do it,

Speaker 8 these guys look superhuman. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at Luca and

Speaker 8 some and Shay, and I'm looking at these guys. They don't even look.
Think about it. Do you understand that the averaging 30 points was reserved for some of the best? Yeah.

Speaker 8 These guys look getting 30 points like it ain't nothing.

Speaker 8 Rolling out of bed. Yes.

Speaker 8 I mean, I think Shay has one game this year in which he hasn't scored 30.

Speaker 8 That's pretty cool. I mean, I'm just looking at him.
I'm looking at these guys. I'm like, well, damn.
Pretty soon, I mean, 30 is the new 20, basically the new 25.

Speaker 8 And pretty soon,

Speaker 8 Joe, I'm going to be honest. I'm not going to be surprised if somebody averaged 40 points a game.
40? 40. Luca average.
Think about it. Luca averages 35 now.

Speaker 9 Well, listen, whatever player comes along, you know, obviously right now the European players are the best players in the NBA. Whoever comes along averaging 40, 40 a game.

Speaker 8 Somebody gonna be in the high 30s, 40s. Watch.
He's gonna be, hey, hey, he's gonna be in shape like Giannis, but he's gonna have a jumper like KD. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, if you if you're gonna average 40, you're gonna have to be in some shape. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Look at, think about Luca. Luca walking the ball up.
Luca ain't pushing. Luca.

Speaker 8 Luca walking the ball up.

Speaker 8 He gonna get to the spot. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Boy, if Luca, and let me tell you how. If Luca shot 40%, because Luca gonna shoot a low percentage because he shoots so many step back threes.

Speaker 8 So he gonna shoot a low percentage. But if you let, if, if he see a couple of them things going early, you might as well forget it.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's like, hey, he gonna get, he gonna get 40, 50 on us tonight. And just like, hey, we just gonna try to contain everybody else.
It's kind of like what Tylu said.

Speaker 8 Ty Tylu said, our job was to let Jokic score, but don't let anybody else do anything. Okay.
55, 12, and 6 later. Well, I ain't know he was going to score like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 They got that kind of ability. A big guy that can shoot.
He can post.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, hey, hey. And he done figured out your defense.
Okay, cool. They ain't bringing the double team tonight.
So it's just

Speaker 8 going to cook Zoo box. Me and big Zoo boxes, I'm going to give him a little dream shake down here.

Speaker 8 be.

Speaker 8 Hey, Joe, he gonna pump and up and under you. Yeah, ain't ain't nothing you can do.
Ain't nothing you can do. He just gotta hope he missed.

Speaker 8 And now, Aaron Gordon, who got injured, Aaron Gore was knocking down three. So if you bring, if you bring the guy off Aaron Gordon, boom, he kicked Aaron Gordon.

Speaker 8 He make that hammer pass cross court, boom, knock down three. Okay, you bring Jamal Murray, can knock it down.

Speaker 8 It's just these guys now, man, they could just going crazy with it. It's like, damn.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think with Yoka is why I love him so much because he just kind of takes what you give him. If you want him to be a score, he'll score.

Speaker 8 If you want him to be a passer, he don't have no problem getting 17 assists. If you need him to rebound, he can get 20 boards.
He ain't tripping. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 He's going to average a triple double again. He just, he got a triple double again tonight.
Man, this is crazy.

Speaker 9 Boy, nice, boy.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 I would not be surprised when it's all said and done. This yoker don't have 250, maybe 300 triple doubles, Joe and Ocho.
Yeah. He's going to break Russ's record.
I mean, he probably

Speaker 8 he done passed Braun, so he probably behind

Speaker 8 Russ, Oscar, maybe Magic.

Speaker 8 I mean, he,

Speaker 8 look and see what Jokic is. He probably number four already at triple doubles.

Speaker 8 It was a second-round pick. The man got drafted in the Taco Bell commercial.

Speaker 8 He three behind Magic. How many does he have?

Speaker 8 Okay, he's on Fred

Speaker 8 how many does yo have

Speaker 8 150

Speaker 8 He got 172 already

Speaker 8 Oscar had the record I think with 180 with 181 Russ probably has like two 208 29 maybe 210

Speaker 8 He might pass Russ this year

Speaker 8 Let that sink in with four with

Speaker 8 because he doesn't have wear and tear on his body, OJ, Joe, because

Speaker 8 he's not a race car. Right.
No. He's a station wagon.

Speaker 8 All he's doing is picking up, dropping the kids off to school.

Speaker 9 Slow and steady.

Speaker 8 That's it.

Speaker 8 And when he's on the road,

Speaker 8 he ain't going, hey, whatever the speed limit is, that's what he going.

Speaker 8 Here in the school zone, it say 15, 20, that's what he going. It's a 35, 40, that's what he going.
He ain't going above 60. So y'all might as well, hey,

Speaker 8 He's going to be in the right lane. He ain't going to be in that fast ass lane.
He ain't going to be the center lane. But man, these guys, I'm watching this, Joe.
They're going crazy. Hey, look,

Speaker 8 the MVP is going to come down. I mean, I know it's kind of like a two-man race right now with him and Shea, but.

Speaker 8 Yokich got me. Dante's going to be Luca gonna be in that.

Speaker 8 The Lakers are going to win enough games this year. Luca's going to be in there.
Giannis is always going to be in it. Jokic just had his 10th triple-double in 14 games.

Speaker 8 Damn.

Speaker 8 Joe,

Speaker 8 people don't want to give credit. It's hard for people to give up those old guys.

Speaker 8 But when it's said and done, it's going to be hard. If he gets another championship or two, Joe, it's going to be hard to not have him in the top 10.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 I mean, he just, he got, he covers every facet of the game.

Speaker 8 He's such a great passer, a willing passer. Right.
And it's like, but don't get it twisted now because I dropped 50 on you now.

Speaker 8 You fell asleep over there now. I dropped 50.
He's seven foot tall.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe, you laughing. He's seven foot tall.
Who's seven feet tall? Jokic. Jokic.

Speaker 9 Why he looks so small on the court? Not no, he don't look small, but he don't look like, he don't look like KD. KD look tall as hell.

Speaker 8 KD a slim, he a slim tall. Like, Jokic ain't like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Man. He got a little weight on him.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 there's a great chance. I mean, for me, it's hard to say he's not a top 20 player already.

Speaker 9 Damn.

Speaker 8 But when he's done, oh, Joe, another championship?

Speaker 8 I mean, think about it. He's finished.
He's finished second in the MVP to Shea and

Speaker 8 Joelle and B,

Speaker 8 but he has three already.

Speaker 8 He's going to be for the next five years, he's going to be one, two, or three in the MVP.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And if he can get Jamal Murray to continue to play at that all-star level, they'll have a chance.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 They'll have a chance. He needs somebody to come along with him, though.
He ain't going to be able to do it by himself. No, because think about it.
Gordon got hurt last year.

Speaker 8 What would it have been in a game seven if Gordon done hurt that hamstring? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Because he go, hey, your two bigs, they got no chance against him. Because he go, whoever your big is, just say, son, we love you.
And

Speaker 8 and it ain't no shame in getting a triple double a 32 point 35 point triple double average on you ain't no shame in that he does that to everybody right he just do what you can he cooking your big ain't nothing he can do do what you can i thought i actually thought though the thunders hardenstein and and and big boy uh

Speaker 8 what's the other one name the big tall oh chad homery I thought they played him pretty well. I know he still got, kind of got his numbers, but they long, athletic, active.

Speaker 8 You know, you would think that they would probably give him a little problem because they can kind of mix up coverages with him. You know what I mean? But

Speaker 8 I know he's going to get his numbers, but I just think, okay, see, he's going to be too.

Speaker 8 You know what happened, though? They played the best when they went that box and won on him. They put Caruso in back of him and let him fight it.

Speaker 8 And they're like, hey, and then everybody, we're going to swarm because now

Speaker 8 we don't have Aaron Gordon out there. So we're not really worried about his replacement.
Right.

Speaker 8 But if they got Gordon and they're clicking, it's going to be tough. Because you already know, you already conceding 30, 10, and at bare minimum, eight.

Speaker 8 You already can basically already concede the triple-double to him. Now, if Murray go crazy, like we know he can,

Speaker 8 oh, you got your hands full. Yeah.
And now Gordon is giving you 20 a night.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, but I don't know if y'all been looking over here in the Eastern Conference. You know, the Hawks been playing well.

Speaker 8 Man, the Hawks playing unbelievable without Trey.

Speaker 8 I know, man. They got them, uh, they got a lot of light-sized guys out there.

Speaker 8 Like, yeah, they got a lot of six, six, nine, six, ten, six, eleven guys, Joe, and they all defensive-minded, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Yeah, they all defensive-minded Uncle Ocho, and they've been, you know, they've been having success. Kong Ru and they got Jalen Johnson, and they got what's the boy.

Speaker 8 Hey, them, them boys, hey, them boys have been balling. They have, they have.
I watched

Speaker 8 they lost to Detroit yesterday, but Detroit, I got to Detroit good,

Speaker 8 they hell in the east over here now.

Speaker 9 Don't worry,

Speaker 8 Shingung, the Rockets.

Speaker 8 The Rockets ain't lost with one game, Joe.

Speaker 8 Well, hey, talking about since they kicked off, you know, they went 0-3.

Speaker 8 They didn't got hot.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they lost their first. And then they went 1-2.
They 2-2, 3-2, 4-2, 5-2, 5-3, 6-3, 7-3, 8-3, 9-3.

Speaker 8 Now they're 10 and three. They just beat Cleveland.
They beat Orlando in overtime. KD

Speaker 8 hit a big bucket. And then they beat, what you call them tonight, by 10.
They're 10 and three.

Speaker 8 Man,

Speaker 8 I'm telling you, when I watch the Rockets play, I'm looking at Singun out there running the point while

Speaker 8 Reed Shepherd come set him a pick.

Speaker 8 Reed Shepherd, the little shooter. He'll come set a pick for Singun.

Speaker 8 Man, I don't know how you're going to stop that because you can't help off KD, obviously. You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 You gotta try to make these other guys make plays, but man, they got guys stepping up, playing big on Ocho. Boy, they find a little fine-tuned rhythm and timing.

Speaker 8 You know, they getting a chemistry and continuity together over there at 10 and 3. It's probably got them what? Number two, number two in the West right now?

Speaker 8 Uh, maybe

Speaker 8 now the Nuggets 11 and three, yeah. Okay,

Speaker 8 okay, ain't lost but one.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they 15,

Speaker 8 They 15 and one. Yeah.

Speaker 8 They might be better. They might be better than what they were last year.

Speaker 8 They've been trying to beat the 70. What was that, the Warriors had? 73? 73 and 9.

Speaker 8 You don't think they're going to try to get that? Oh, they're going to try. But, man, you know how hard it is? I mean, you lost nine games in an NBA season.

Speaker 9 That's crazy.

Speaker 8 Man,

Speaker 8 they got dudes coming in the game putting up a dub. I ain't even never heard of these dudes.

Speaker 9 Coming out of the game.

Speaker 8 Man, they got dudes.

Speaker 8 oh cho they got dudes coming in the game who will drop 20 on you you're like hold on where the dude come from yeah and all of them and all of them they're never going to be on the court without at least three three wing defenders

Speaker 8 i'm talking about and j dub ain't played yet

Speaker 8 and then every time you look up shea got 33. yeah

Speaker 8 check homer i told you now look I told y'all during the finals, I said that the biggest thing for OKC, for them to be a dynasty is if check homer

Speaker 8 can continue to improve and and and take his game to new new heights you know what i mean be efficient and be that rim protector that swiss army knife that is hard to guard and man he's been bought he'll probably be not probably he'll be an all-star this year too

Speaker 8 so okay you know this year joe they don't take positions they just take the top vote getters

Speaker 8 hey so basically what y'all so ain't no you're going you normally you get the two back court and the three bigs

Speaker 8 ain't none of that joke you might have all i mean obviously i think shea luca steph

Speaker 8 but you might have kd

Speaker 8 and the with shangoon i mean theoretically i i think braun's gonna all brawn is gonna be there with the votes because the fans

Speaker 8 i'm saying if by the time i'll start briefing here let's say they

Speaker 8 they don't they lost three games they 38 and

Speaker 8 man they're going to have to get at least two guys.

Speaker 8 For sure. Because

Speaker 8 didn't J Doug go last year?

Speaker 8 Yeah, he did go last year. He hadn't even played a game yet.
Nope.

Speaker 9 J-Doug, nice, boy.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he got some game. But the Rockies are going to be tough because they got a guy that can go one-on-one.
I mean, Shingoon can post.

Speaker 8 KD obviously can post, but they got a ball, a guy that can put the ball in his hand late. And he can make it happen.
And that's KD. And Shingoon says, I don't have a problem

Speaker 8 giving the ball up to a guy that I know that can make that shot.

Speaker 8 So they're going to be tough. They got Amin Thompson that can defend and can score.
You got Big Adams, Big Steven Adams.

Speaker 8 Hey, he might not give you four or five points a night, but he's going to give you double figure rebounds. He's going to set great screens.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, you know what? I think that's so underrated, especially in basketball. Like, you get you a guy who can really set good screens.
Uncle Ocho can get guys open. Yeah.

Speaker 8 A free amount.

Speaker 8 I want him on my team every day

Speaker 8 i'm trying to get this jumper off you hear me

Speaker 8 what

Speaker 8 uh all right joe is gonna need some help here time to play or fade presented by prize picks

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Speaker 8 What are they playing? What are they playing at?

Speaker 8 Where are they playing, Ash?

Speaker 8 I think the Clippers on the road.

Speaker 8 In Orlando.

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Speaker 8 Boncaro's out. So basically, Wagner and

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Speaker 8 Oh, Ben Carroll out. Okay.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 I say Bain.

Speaker 8 He'll probably drop a dub. The Clippers been struggling, man.
They're struggling bad.

Speaker 8 I'm going to go more.

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Speaker 9 all right on Joe Josh Allen more than 225 passing yards against that stout that stout Houston Texans defense in Houston listen as stout as they are as good as those two defense ends are as great as Stingley is he gonna get 225 hundred he's gonna get 225 oh that's a little tricky yeah absolutely listen Josh Allen is one you Josh Allen is one you can't stop he's one you can't stop and they're and they're able to impose their will when it's time to run the ball.

Speaker 9 They're able to impose their will. So he's going to get them yards.
Trust me.

Speaker 8 All right, Ocho say trust him. So I'm trusting him more on Josh Allen, 224 and a half passing yards.
Dalton Schultz, 38 and a half receiving yards. Yeah.

Speaker 9 That's your area of expertise.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 They hadn't been getting them a whole lot of opportunities lately.

Speaker 8 I like Bishop.

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Speaker 8 All right. Final segment of the evening.
It's time for Q and A.

Speaker 8 Pat Dubbs at Ocho.

Speaker 8 Haiti qualified for the World Cup. How's the vibe in Miami?

Speaker 9 Hey, hey, you know what? The vibe is crazy, right? I live all, I live very far.

Speaker 9 I live very far out west, but I'm sure if I was to go, you know, near the city, you know, where I grew up at, but I know they're going crazy in Lil Haiti right now. I know they're going crazy.

Speaker 9 Hey, Uncle, you know what that means? It's been 51 years, Unc. It's been 51 years, if I'm not mistaken, since Haiti is qualified for the World Cup,

Speaker 9 maybe any competition of this magnitude, if I'm not mistaken. But, you know, don't quote me, but goddamn, that's dope.
That's really dope, man. I'm excited for all my ASNs.
Sapase.

Speaker 8 Jason, CJ099. Ocho, you were always losing.
Don't tell us you never celebrated.

Speaker 9 Obviously, Jason wasn't listening very well.

Speaker 9 I specifically said

Speaker 9 if we weren't going into tie a game or we weren't ahead, I didn't celebrate if we were losing.

Speaker 9 Like, listen, I was very self-conscious and self-aware when I celebrated.

Speaker 8 Christopher E. Evans Jr.

Speaker 9 said, do you guys think the Chiefs just might be burnt out because they play so many regular season and postseason games that's a good one that's a great question that's a great question think about ocho they've scored at this point last year this last year they scored they've scored more points given up fewer points patrick mahomes has more passing yards last year at this point in time they were seven and three yeah this year they're five and five five and five but you got you got to understand right each time they get to the super bowl things are going to continue to get difficult you know if they're not going to keep running through everybody each year like they always like they've always done so now you get to a point where you're gonna have to have you're gonna have to have you're gonna have adversity you're gonna have to you're gonna have to you know get some hurdles all those one score games you lost you won last year this year those one score games you're losing them now so i i think anytime 15

Speaker 9 has a chance to not only make it to the playoffs but when when the when the rubber meets the road like you say they're gonna win those games when it matters most.

Speaker 9 I never count my homes out regardless of them being 500 or not

Speaker 8 they need to get on the ball they got some very tough guys they got the colts and then on a short week they got the cowboys yeah oh that's gonna be nice no we're gonna take advantage of them

Speaker 8 hey joe hey joe you feeling good about your cowboys huh come on now come on now hey i don't blame you i don't blame you yeah henny a said max crosby is coming for him talking about your door

Speaker 8 Yeah, I just hope they keep him out. Oh, Joe, you finally fixed the camera.
I'm happy for you, but I'm upset it wasn't me who did it. But congrats.
Oh, oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 Matter of fact, it wasn't even me. She's watching right now.
She's the reason for it. She told me what to do.
All my cable, all my HDMI cables. Yeah.
I wasn't using Apple products.

Speaker 9 So because I have, because I'm using the Apple, the Apple, the Apple camera, so I got all Apple stuff, you know, to go into the, so everything flows, all that.

Speaker 9 what out of market how do you say yeah aftermarket aftermarket stuff is a reason why it kept cutting off an hour into the show.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you supposed, I mean, that's what you're supposed to do. I mean, I didn't know that.

Speaker 9 I didn't know that.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Why are you laughing, Joe?

Speaker 8 Hey, bro, you're so good. Yeah, my baby.

Speaker 9 Hey, baby. I know you're watching.
Hey, girl. All right.
All right.

Speaker 8 L Prey says, oh, Joe, how was it playing alongside Steve Smith and Demetrius Posey back in college? Oh, man.

Speaker 9 Oh, rest in peace. Demetrius Posey.
Demetrius Posey was the better, better of the three of us.

Speaker 9 Demetrius posy young when we played in junior college he was the real deal he was a real deal he's similar to uh like andre johnson you know kind of yeah yes he's like same body style wow very aggressive play good hands nice route runner that's that's who he was at that time unfortunately he passed away uh if i'm not mistaken i think it might have been a car accident

Speaker 9 um and it was me me me demetrius posy and steve smith and the steve smith which you see now what he saw in the league steve was already like that in college I'm talking about the La Bets.

Speaker 8 Steve Smith, hey, yeah.

Speaker 9 Hey, he was always like that in college. Mean as hell.

Speaker 9 Nah,

Speaker 9 he was always like that, boy.

Speaker 8 I bet Smitty,

Speaker 8 his first year in the league, he was a rookie. Yeah.
And he made it as a returner. And if I'm not mistaken, I think his daughter.

Speaker 8 I think he had a daughter at the time.

Speaker 8 He had a newborn.

Speaker 8 But I've always liked Smith. He was always cool.

Speaker 8 As a matter of fact, I voted for him for Offensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 8 That year he won the Triple Crown. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Daz React says, man, that's when you know you're locked in with her.

Speaker 6 Laugh my LM.

Speaker 8 When you fall asleep on the phone,

Speaker 8 that only happens when you see a future. It's been a few times, you know what I'm saying? I've been on the phone like four or five hours, Joe, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 8 And back then, you know, when I was coming up, Joe, you had to keep putting that corner in the payphone.

Speaker 8 you have one minute left

Speaker 9 hey and and the funny thing about it remember when we used to have the house phones oh yeah you know you know during the day your mama say man stay up that phone in case anybody trying to call me don't be

Speaker 9 so hey hey joe on you wait till she falls asleep and you call your girl And you know, ain't nobody gonna be calling the house past a certain time.

Speaker 9 Well, you be, hey, you be on somebody laid up, chilling, fall asleep. Hey, fall asleep with the phone.
You pick it up in the morning.

Speaker 8 Hello, hello. You still there?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 8 This was good days, boy. You get on the phone, Joe.
Hey, you're one of it. You try to talk on the phone.
My girl, my boy, get your ass out the phone and take this trash.

Speaker 9 Hey. You wait till I get on the phone to say that.

Speaker 8 You could have, hey, you could have.

Speaker 8 I got your phone and say that. Yeah.
Hey, and I know y'all ain't no hair on this three-way time my damn phone line.

Speaker 8 See,

Speaker 8 originally, Joe,

Speaker 8 when we first got the phone, there was one line. So your neighbors, if you was on the phone, your neighbors couldn't get on the phone, but your neighbors could pick up and hear you talking.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 if you wanted to use the phone, you would ask, like, Miss such and such, can you get up the phone?

Speaker 8 We need to make a call right quick. Okay,

Speaker 8 you Barney's boys,

Speaker 8 grandboy. Yes, ma'am.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 8 Hey, can you get off the phone, Miss such and such?

Speaker 8 Papa say he want to use the phone. All right, I'll be off in a few minutes, boys.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's the way it was. Hey, and don't mess around and think you hung it up and the phone off the hook, because now it's going to ring busy.
Man, what?

Speaker 8 I've been trying to call you for the last 15 minutes. Who in the hell left that phone off the hook?

Speaker 8 It was an accident. Trust me.
Nobody wanted to hear your mouth. If Shadur gets hot, wins a few games, they're going to flex the Browns to prime time in a meaningless game.

Speaker 8 They care about eyeballs. Who gonna watch? Yep.
That's what they care about. Views.

Speaker 8 People want to see that young man. They do.

Speaker 8 Dr. Frankie Bellamy.
Oh, Joe, did you see Unk punching that bag on Club Shea Shay? You might want to pay up that $6,900. Just saying, love y'all.

Speaker 9 Nah, based off what I say, I'm a Renegon paying that money, man.

Speaker 8 See,

Speaker 8 I'm going to have to hit it with one of them body blows, making pee on itself, joe

Speaker 8 i was gonna say the coldest app the coldest athlete quote y'all ever heard georgia packing up one suit for game six in phoenix because he knew it was over

Speaker 8 oh nothing like that bro hell yeah you seen that on last dance um yeah yeah where that man say hey hey i'm only taking one suit

Speaker 8 Bill Parcells had it with the Giants because back then

Speaker 8 when you won the championship game, the next, the following week was the Super Bowl. It wasn't the two weeks off like we got now, oh, you're to build it up and sell it.
Right.

Speaker 8 Coach Parcel said, y'all packed for two weeks. Y'all packed for next week because you're not coming.
We're not coming back.

Speaker 8 They packed,

Speaker 8 beat the San Francisco and San Fran and flew down to Tampa. That's when Whitney, that's when Whitney sung the national anthem.

Speaker 8 And the Jets were flying over and she had that track suit on.

Speaker 9 Hey, one of the ways, if not the greatest national anthem ever sung for a sporting event

Speaker 9 that is between her and marvin gay when he sang at the 84 uh nba all-star all-star game i think that was in staples too no it was a deform it wasn't staples it was the form great form yeah great western form yeah oh he killed that

Speaker 8 uh or yo hoodlum kawhi leonard ain't ish if we take them rings away you can't though You can't, bro.

Speaker 8 He did that. I mean, Toronto, think about what Toronto's been since he left.
Think about Toronto couldn't get over the hump. Now, granted, LeBron had moved out west, but he got Toronto.

Speaker 8 Probably looks like going to be their own long championship. He did that.
He won another championship with Tim Duncan now. He did that.
He's a two-time defensive player of the year. He's done that.

Speaker 8 No matter how you look at it, he's a. top 75 player all time.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 8 And when he's sued up, you know what you're doing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 He's going to give you what you want.

Speaker 8 Carla Liberton, shout out to Haitian soccer team for the World Cup qualification. Yes, congratulations, Haiti, the great nation of Haiti, qualified for the World Cup.

Speaker 8 David Florence, should ATL look to get Shadur. How Dion is head coach?

Speaker 8 Man, I'm afraid if

Speaker 8 Raheem don't turn this thing around,

Speaker 8 they're going to. Make a move, man.

Speaker 8 Because that's not, it's, I mean, you pay 100-plus million for cousins. You take a quarterback with an injury history.
Ain't no guarantee, Ocho, that, that, that, that Pennix Jr.

Speaker 8 is going to be able to start the season. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 9 and he had a history.

Speaker 8 Yeah. He had an injury history.

Speaker 9 Wait, well, you, you know that, you know, that going into it. That's why they have a scouting department.
They have the people that, that.

Speaker 9 You weigh your pros and your cons. And obviously there was nobody else available at that time.
And when he was on the board, that's a chance you can't pass up. We got to take a chance on him.

Speaker 9 And that's what they did.

Speaker 8 Hey.

Speaker 8 JJ said, Unk, we need you to go back to 2026 on the dot, not a second later.

Speaker 9 I told you. I told you.

Speaker 9 You got to get the people what they need.

Speaker 8 Yeah, we got something coming for y'all tomorrow. So be on the lookout.
JJ Carver, Unk moved like Pop Tart Crust, just high security or a couple of Yans.

Speaker 8 I already go places where they're going to be no problem. I'm going to a place, you know,

Speaker 8 we tried to have a good time. You know what I'm saying? I ain't bothering nobody.
Everybody just want to say, hey, Uncle How you doing, man? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 8 I don't go to places where there's something you might even, I even think something might pop off. Yeah,

Speaker 9 I'll be there. You good? I'll be there.

Speaker 8 If it do pop off, I'll be there.

Speaker 9 You know, I'm security.

Speaker 8 JR Locks, how you mofos get over you think someone you think is cheating and you got that gut feeling?

Speaker 8 Well, it all depends.

Speaker 8 I'm assuming we're talking about card games or shooting dice or something like that, Ocho.

Speaker 8 I think that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I need better context. I can tell you.

Speaker 8 I don't think you can think about it in a, in a... Maybe I guess a video game, I best.
Can you cheat in Madden or something like that, Call of Duty or something like that? Can you cheat? Oh, shit.

Speaker 9 You can manipulate the games, yes.

Speaker 8 Um,

Speaker 8 but I look, look, if I think somebody cheating, I just ain't gonna play with them no more. I'm just that's it.

Speaker 8 That's the end of it for me because I can't. I can't.

Speaker 8 I know how I am. I don't like losing anyway, and then you cheat me on top of it.
And a lot of times, you know, with a joker cheating, Joe, he talking trash. I know he's cheating.

Speaker 8 Nah, hell, nah.

Speaker 8 Nah, Jay, just, hey, just chalk it up to the game and say, man, I'm up out of here, man.

Speaker 8 I ain't fooling with y'all no more. 5-0 say, it's my fiancé's birthday on Friday.
Can you wish her a happy birthday? Her name is Charity. Charity, happy birthday.

Speaker 8 Your fiancé wanted to wish you a happy birthday. He wanted to let you know also that, you know what? You completed.
The happiest day of his life was when he met you.

Speaker 8 The second happiest day, when you said, yes, you would marry him. The third happiest day when it actually happens.

Speaker 8 So, charity to you and your fiancé, congrats, many, many years of blissful marriage and happy early birthday. Man, got him a Scorpio, though.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I guess I don't know about no signs, I just know Cancer and Leo.

Speaker 8 Okay, yeah, my brother, I think, my brother, April 6th, so I think he might be, he might be an Aries or something. That sound about right,

Speaker 8 April 6th, yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he Aries, okay. I don't know about this I don't know you know you know I'm just okay

Speaker 8 you know soft hard shell nice soft you know I'm just saying you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying you know I am you know

Speaker 8 took a while to get you know get through but once you get through thanks man

Speaker 8 oh my gosh he's really nice he's a great guy right

Speaker 8 I'll vouch for him you know what I'm saying I'll vouch for him

Speaker 8 he's a great guy yeah oh hell and I love what you've done to the place

Speaker 8 oh my gosh oh yes me and we were in the hamptons uh you know just a couple of bottles of wine just some friends it was awesome you gotta see it sometime you just come up to the place oh joe just come up you and your girl come up to the place joe hey you have an open invitation it's great it's oh this time of year is magnificent no it's really the spring spring or summer That's our summer home.

Speaker 8 You know, we got a place in the Hamptons, the south of France. We've got a flat in London.

Speaker 8 It's awesome, guys. It's awesome.

Speaker 8 Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know who I am.
I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 8 That is my partner and co-host Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoring a former Pro Bowler and an all-pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

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Speaker 8 Thank you again, Joe, for joining us. Appreciate that.
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Speaker 8 Shadur Sanders will make his first NFL start this week against the Los Angeles Raiders. It's going to be a great game.
I expect Shadur to go out there and play well.

Speaker 8 He gets an opportunity to practice, gets an opportunity to throw the ball to the receiver. And guess what? They're going to call plays that he likes.

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