Best of NFL News Part 2: CeeDee and Pickens' Drunk Night Before Game, Michael Penix JR. ACL injury!

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Speaker 35 Oh, Joe, got some bad news. According to Adam Schefter, Michael Pennix suffered a partially torn ACL in Sunday's game and is lost against the Panthers.
Pennix is seeking a second

Speaker 35 opinion, but this is not encouraging. This is expected to be the fifth season-ending injury for Penix in his eight college and NFL seasons.

Speaker 35 And his third ACL. He toured his ACL in 2020.
I mean, excuse me. In 2018, 2020.
And now he has a partially toured ACL in 2025.

Speaker 36 Damn.

Speaker 37 Wait, so out of eight years he's been injured, five out of eight?

Speaker 35 Yep.

Speaker 37 College including.

Speaker 35 Season ending.

Speaker 35 Because one year I think he had a shoulder injury.

Speaker 37 Yes. I think when he was at Indiana, if I'm not mistaken, I might be wrong.

Speaker 37 I could be wrong but i think when he was at indiana before he went to washington yep no that sucks man that that that that that totally sucks that that totally sucks i i hate that i hate that for him um obviously they weren't having the season you know they they would want to have but i think obviously the growing pains in being a rookie with it being you know your first time starting and getting the full reps

Speaker 37 getting accustomed to how the game flows and how it goes and and you know the ups and downs of

Speaker 37 being the starting quarterback for a franchise. You need those reps.
You need those reps. And I'm sure after this season ended, he would have been much better.

Speaker 35 Yes.

Speaker 37 Being familiar with everything, the system, the play calling,

Speaker 37 the team, just everything together.

Speaker 37 Damn,

Speaker 37 that totally sucks for him to have a season-ending injury and be behind eight ball. And at that point, anything ACL, there's no need for a second opinion.
There's no need for a second opinion.

Speaker 37 Go in there, get the work that needs to be done so you can get back that much faster going to the following year which you're having what six six seven

Speaker 35 maybe you got but got a good got a good six seven yeah i mean you i mean look just november so you have the surgery so you got december january february march april may

Speaker 35 june july

Speaker 35 august that's nine months yeah you know that's plenty time that's it is it the same is it the same leg is it the same knee I just hope he can have a career like Thomas Davis.

Speaker 35 Thomas Davis tore his ACO three times and came back to be an all-world linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 35 So let's just hope if it's a situation like that, because he ended up having a very promising NFL career after tearing his ACL as many times as he did.

Speaker 36 Damn, man, that's tough.

Speaker 37 Some happened.

Speaker 37 Drake London got hurt as well. I saw something with Drake.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 I think he's going to be out at least this week.

Speaker 37 Damn, man.

Speaker 37 Like these injuries, dude.

Speaker 35 The Falcons dropped a quarterback at the top 10, paid a different quarterback $180 million to avoid being in the quarterback purgatory.

Speaker 35 Somehow, a year and a half later, they're in quarterback purgatory.

Speaker 35 Raheem Morris, after drafting Michael Pennington's Jr. at number eight, we're talking about winning the NFC South and going to the playoffs.
We don't want to be picking that high anymore.

Speaker 35 We don't want to be in that position. That helped us make this decision.
Save things to say that

Speaker 35 they're not going as

Speaker 35 well as they hoped. It didn't make sense to me

Speaker 35 that you pay Cousins that kind of money coming off the injury that he had and still sign a quarterback.

Speaker 35 A quarterback with, I get it, Ocho, but he still had an injury history.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 I mean, think about it.

Speaker 35 You think, it's hard for me to see a scenario where they would select any other player at any other position that's coming off that's his career would have been ended like four times

Speaker 35 before.

Speaker 35 Going to the NFL. So let that sink in.
So let's just say he had five years and four of those years his seasons ended with a a season in the injury. You're probably not going in the top 10.

Speaker 36 Damn.

Speaker 35 But also. But I just hope he can, like I said, I hope he can have a Thomas Davis type.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 35 Because Thomas ended up going to Pro Bowls and helping the team get to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 35 But it's tough. I can just imagine.

Speaker 35 Rehab all over again, OJo. And the thing is, when you rehab, you can't train.

Speaker 36 No.

Speaker 35 You're just hoping to get back to a point where you have functionality.

Speaker 35 Training is where you put your body into a situation where, hey, you can call on it and you know it'll answer. He don't get to do that.

Speaker 35 You got to rehab.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 35 That ain't what you do with rehab.

Speaker 35 Rehab just gets you back to where you were. I'm trying to get farther than where I was, Ocho, where I was.

Speaker 35 I mean, I feel bad for the young man.

Speaker 37 I hate injuries, dude, because I understand how much

Speaker 37 it sets players back, especially when you want to improve year to year. Yeah.
The season ends.

Speaker 37 you want to improve in your game, you want to add new things to your game, you know, to be able to help, not just help you out, but help your coaches, help your players, because the better you come back from a skill set is the easier you make everyone else and job around you.

Speaker 37 That's what I always thought about. How can I make everyone else job around me? All right,

Speaker 37 when we have a game or we got an offensive plan, Carson, you don't have to worry about me. Bob Burkowski, Marvin Lewis, you don't have to worry about me.
And I just focus on the other 10.

Speaker 37 Offensively, you already know I'm going to be there for you. no matter what you need no matter what you need so i i always try to put that mindset in the players when you get in season

Speaker 37 that's just coaching that's just ex the no's you're not getting any better in season no

Speaker 35 you put that's gonna be hard for you to maintain your strength bingo because guess what ocho your shoulders hurt your hips hurt your jaws hurt it's hard for you to get up under that weight and squat and do leg press and bench i mean you you know you do it as long as you can but some days hey, my elbows just hurt.

Speaker 35 My shoulders hurt. I can't get up under that heavy ass weight and press it.

Speaker 38 Yeah.

Speaker 37 Hey, you get the bulky of work, the meat and potatoes, you getting better as a player. You know, from

Speaker 37 a skill point is the offseason. That's why the offseason is so important.
That's why taking the time off that's necessary when the season ends,

Speaker 35 you take it. It takes you six weeks off.

Speaker 37 You get into that work.

Speaker 36 I'm telling you.

Speaker 37 Hey, receivers,

Speaker 37 come on down there, holler at your boy. You know, all these injuries, I can stop all these injuries.
Listen to me.

Speaker 37 Everybody like to laugh and hee-hee and ha-ha.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 35 All right.

Speaker 35 Ocho,

Speaker 35 the Falcons do not have a first-round pick. That first-round pick belongs to the Rams.

Speaker 37 The Rams of Minnesota?

Speaker 35 The Rams.

Speaker 36 Okay.

Speaker 35 They didn't have to give up anything because his cousin was a free agent.

Speaker 37 Oh, shit. That's right.
That's right. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 35 But now think about it, Ocho.

Speaker 37 Name another position a guy comes off an achilles injury after his 11th 12th year in the league right and gets that kind of contract name a position other than a quarterback no there there is none because they understand how valuable the quarterback position is that's why you take a chance you understand it's hard to get quarterbacks that have put up the numbers that kirk cousins has put up even though he only had one playoff win it's extremely difficult Extremely difficult.

Speaker 37 That's why taking him a chance on a player like Kirk Cousins, despite his history, you know, and not making a playoff, despite the injury coming off an Achilles. Okay, well, you know what?

Speaker 37 Well, he's not a dual threat quarterback anyway. You know, once that Achilles heals up, he can be able to do

Speaker 37 what he normally does as a functioning quarterback. He's a willing and dealing quarterback.
Yeah.

Speaker 36 He's surgical with the ball. He just is.

Speaker 37 That's him.

Speaker 37 We're going to take a chance and we're going to give him that kind of money.

Speaker 36 And then also, the

Speaker 37 type of player, the type of person he is, he's a high-character guy.

Speaker 37 So you're willing to

Speaker 37 take that chance. You're willing to make that investment.

Speaker 35 This is not on high insight, but I told you at the time, I said, Ocho, just contract just doesn't make sense to me to guarantee that type of money

Speaker 35 for a guy

Speaker 35 that... Now, if that's Tom Brady, that's Peyton Manning.

Speaker 35 Okay, I get it.

Speaker 35 They're certified.

Speaker 35 They're approved.

Speaker 35 But for a guy that hadn't had postseason success and

Speaker 35 he's had it coming off an Achilles injury, and he's not mobile to begin with, he's going to be less mobile.

Speaker 36 Yeah,

Speaker 35 it didn't make sense to me. And then you go draft a quarterback.
If that was the case, why not? Why just save that money, Ocho, and just go get you a quarterback?

Speaker 35 If that was the route you wanted to take, you have to think about it, huh?

Speaker 37 Where they going to get one from?

Speaker 35 Where are you going to get one? In the draft, like they wouldn't got pinned from.

Speaker 36 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 37 Hey, listen, you understand how difficult it is to find a franchise-altering quarterback. You understand how difficult that is?

Speaker 35 Yeah, but covers one franchise altering.

Speaker 37 No, but

Speaker 37 he can help you compete week to week. He can help you compete.

Speaker 37 Look at what's going on right now. Some of the teams that have been struggling for years to actually find a good, decent quarterback.

Speaker 37 Because you know, once you get one, just let him be, let's let him be good.

Speaker 35 Just

Speaker 35 they took Atlanta in the 2021 draft. They took Kyle Pitts number four.

Speaker 35 Guess who went number five that year?

Speaker 36 Who?

Speaker 35 Jamar Chase.

Speaker 37 Oh, yeah. That's NC.

Speaker 35 Jalen Waddell went six. Panay Sewell went seventh.
JC Horn went eight. Pat Sertan the second with nine.
Devontae Smith with 10.

Speaker 35 All the AAAs. Michael with 12.

Speaker 35 Rashawn Slater with 13.

Speaker 35 I mean, if you take a tight end that high, you got to use him. But when they do use your cow, you're going to have to catch the ball now.

Speaker 35 And I know it's a problem because he gets the ball so infrequently, he's trying to hit his head on the goalpost every time he gets the ball because he's like, I don't know when I'm going to get another chance.

Speaker 35 I've never seen somebody score without the ball.

Speaker 35 You got to catch it.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 35 And I know, like I said, I understand the frustration of

Speaker 35 this Mulvinki because, you know, he came on and told us, hey, the chemistry that he and Pennix

Speaker 35 had. Yeah.

Speaker 35 Pennix was talking about it in camp, and he was talking about it. He came on night camp and talked about it.

Speaker 36 Damn.

Speaker 35 And I don't know.

Speaker 35 Give me the coaches that were hired.

Speaker 35 Oh,

Speaker 35 they interviewed, they interviewed Jim Harbaugh. The Falcons interviewed Jim Harbaugh.
They said no. They interviewed Mike Vrabel.
They said no. They interviewed

Speaker 35 Mike McDonald. They said no.
I think they interviewed Ben Johnson. They said no.

Speaker 35 I'm happy Raheem got the job, but

Speaker 35 Mr. Blank probably like, damn.

Speaker 37 Hey, you got to work with what you got.

Speaker 37 You gotta work with what you got.

Speaker 37 Uh,

Speaker 37 it was Sloanek, Johnson, Barbaugh, Belichick, McDonald, Callingham, Wilkes, Vrable,

Speaker 37 Hean, Joe Brady, Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 35 Well, he did a good job passing on some of them.

Speaker 35 Oh, Joe, he's going to have to get it together, man. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 35 Look.

Speaker 35 They're getting restless. They're getting restless in Atlanta.

Speaker 37 Hey, the players got to help you out, man.

Speaker 35 They do?

Speaker 37 Them players got to help you out.

Speaker 37 The old ad is, players will get you fired.

Speaker 35 Yeah.

Speaker 37 They will get you fired.

Speaker 35 They can get you fired. They will get you hired and fired.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 35 Man, I feel for Raheem, man. Damn, I just thought this was gonna be.
Hopefully, he turned it around.

Speaker 35 Oh, yeah, and Coach Belichick, man, man, y'all saw Coach Belichick. The guy took his hat off.

Speaker 36 Yeah,

Speaker 35 we're gonna talk about that.

Speaker 35 Oh, Joe, did you see that?

Speaker 36 Yeah, I saw it, man.

Speaker 35 Bill, the coach took his hat off. The shake, and you can't even look the man in his eye, oh cho.

Speaker 37 Hey, hey, Bill, do everybody like that, though. So he can't, he can't feel bad.

Speaker 37 You look at you look at Bill at the end of Patriots games and you keep keeping moving he making a beeline it's it's different

Speaker 35 you set an example you ain't setting no example in no because he's done this now think about how many times in the afc championship game that a uh uh tony dungy yeah a bill cower or a rex ryan has had to come out there and talk to cbs

Speaker 35 this is this is really what rubbed me the wrong way and i think coach belichek is the greatest nfl coach ever absolutely but this is what rubbed me the wrong way is that the rules don't apply to him.

Speaker 35 And the NFL has let this behavior go on. But let a player don't want to do the media and say, you know what? I don't want to do the media day.
I'm going to let Ocho go do it. Yeah.

Speaker 35 They're going to dock me money. Right.
But he's supposed to do it. And he sent some special teams guy out there.
Some backup lineman we ain't nobody ever heard of but his family.

Speaker 35 That's what rubbed me the wrong way. That man took his hat off to shake your hand.

Speaker 35 and then you like like basically give him your butt

Speaker 35 that that's that's that's always rubbed me the wrong way about him yeah and it always have and and and two things can be true he can be great and be a jackass at the same time yeah and he's always that bothers me you heard me huh he's always been this way

Speaker 37 And he's not changing. That's the funny part.
Whether I'm in the NFL, this is the way I conduct myself. Oh, now I'm in college.
This is the way I conduct myself. And I'm not changing for anybody.

Speaker 35 I'm not changing for anything. And I think the thing is,

Speaker 35 yeah, when you're winning,

Speaker 35 when you don't win

Speaker 35 and you give people your butt to kiss, and they're in position to hire you, what do they do, Ocho? They're like, okay, next. Yeah.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 37 Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 36 Oh, Joey, there was plenty of speculation to why the Cowboys star receiver CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens were benched for the opening drive against the Raiders.

Speaker 36 CeeDee confirmed the rumors that he and Pickens had been out past curfew having dinner and a few drinks at red rock casino okay

Speaker 36 cd you should have hit your boy up i'd have came out with y'all

Speaker 36 however cd made sure to shoot down any claim that he was seen throwing up around 7 30 a.m yeah cd said uh such a claim was offensive to him because he knows how to hold his liquor uh ocho yeah

Speaker 36 what's up oh he knew hey Hey,

Speaker 36 this is what they do to Ocho. Hey, but shoot up.

Speaker 37 Hey, I'm going to be honest with you, boy.

Speaker 37 Not me personally, but it was a lot of folk late during my time either. I'm not one, I ain't no snitch.
You know, I ain't going to do nothing like that.

Speaker 37 You know, if I'm ever in the chair, I'm going to just plead the fifth, you know.

Speaker 37 But I done seen it happen. Now, now it's a little bit different because we got cameras everywhere.

Speaker 36 Everywhere.

Speaker 37 Technology is a little different. So when we played,

Speaker 37 didn't nobody know because there wasn't nobody to tell unless somebody close to you snitched on you.

Speaker 36 Yep.

Speaker 37 Or you told on yourself by actually showing up late. And most of the times it was kept in house.
Now, boy, everybody could see.

Speaker 36 Cause he got them camera phones. Oh, yeah.
Because even when you try to go out, like, hey, can I get a picture? I said, no, I'm just right.

Speaker 36 Yeah, somebody's going to know. Cause you're going to post it.

Speaker 37 Hey, and if you don't give it, hey, and if you don't give them a picture, they'll get mad and tweet. Guess who I just saw?

Speaker 36 Yeah, he acted like an asshole.

Speaker 36 Bro, how you ghost me? How you gave up my position?

Speaker 36 It's like, oh, Joe, it's like the guy that had went to the Airbnb and he left a negative rating.

Speaker 36 The guy that owned the Airbnb sent the photo of his wife to his wife of him going to the Airbnb with another woman. Well, that's real.
Yes.

Speaker 37 That wasn't that wasn't no Netflix show, or that's real life.

Speaker 36 Real life. Oh, hey-oh, hey-oh.
He got

Speaker 36 C.

Speaker 36 He gotta get these. Hey, he gotta get the dumb dumbs.
What? Yeah, man.

Speaker 37 Hey, you done messed up my marriage on the counter. It wasn't me, but it was you.

Speaker 36 No, hold on. You say you messed up my Airbnb.
Give me this bull job rating.

Speaker 36 Now people ain't going to want to come to my spot.

Speaker 37 Hey, that's the true meaning of an I for an eye.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 36 But, Ocho, the thing is, if you're in the wrong,

Speaker 36 why would you even, why would you even do that? Why would you leave a negative rating?

Speaker 37 Right. Because for one, you didn't think he would, you would stoop that low.
You didn't think he was.

Speaker 36 was stooping. I mean, I'm thinking, like, most of these Airbnbs got cameras, right?

Speaker 36 Oh, they're a minimum. You can't handle camera.

Speaker 37 You can't handle camera in the Airb.

Speaker 36 Airbnb.

Speaker 36 At worst case, a ring camera.

Speaker 37 Oh, a ring camera, yes.

Speaker 36 Okay, yeah, you right.

Speaker 36 So how you gonna get in?

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Okay, you're right. So with that.

Speaker 36 Hey, that's. But you see, hey, hey, Keon.
You see the difference?

Speaker 36 CD and Pickens was outpass curfew, having a dinner and a few drinks. They missed a series.
You missed two games. There's levels.

Speaker 36 You're not at that level yet.

Speaker 37 Hey, Keith, we're going to get you there, boy. Come on, holler, let your boy in the offseason.

Speaker 36 I'm telling you, boy, we're going to get you right. You hear me?

Speaker 37 Let's go.

Speaker 36 Ocho,

Speaker 36 me?

Speaker 36 Man, I'm sleepy. I'm tired.
Hey, my thing is, Ocho, when I, when, like, we, after we have a meeting, you know, we have our individual meetings. Then we have the team meeting.

Speaker 36 Mike going to play a video. He going to play the top plays from last week.
We'll have a little music to it. And then, you know, he's gonna give us our speech, what he expects, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 36 And then we go get, you know, a meal.

Speaker 36 Yeah. Oh, Joe.
I'm trying to go to bed.

Speaker 36 I ain't got it in me.

Speaker 37 Yeah, see, you a little different.

Speaker 37 You old school, but you're a little structured. You got a little discipline

Speaker 37 when it came to your approach.

Speaker 36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 37 Players today, they're a little bit more relaxed.

Speaker 36 They're a little more relaxed.

Speaker 37 You know, I want to be outside. I want to enjoy myself.
I want to have a nice little meal you know okay see what's out there you know we in vegas

Speaker 36 i might i might have tried to shake the covers book yeah yeah

Speaker 36 hold on today hold on no no before a game

Speaker 36 nah

Speaker 37 i can't i can't do that huh i can't listen my cutoff my cutoff was wednesday

Speaker 37 my cut off my cutoff was wednesday if i don't catch you between Sunday and Wednesday. Oh, no, I can't do nothing with you.

Speaker 37 want no type of, I don't want no, no lactic acid bill up. I don't want no spaghetti legs.

Speaker 36 So you got, you got to get that work in between that, huh? I cut off with two hours for the game.

Speaker 36 How about cut off?

Speaker 36 Two hours for the game.

Speaker 37 But you ain't had no legs. You out there running with no legs.

Speaker 36 Nah, hey, nah, Ojoe.

Speaker 36 You remember the movie Free Willie? Yeah. How Willie came up by that pool? Yeah.
That's me.

Speaker 36 Free Willie.

Speaker 36 I had bleedy legs.

Speaker 36 I think that's a misnomer.

Speaker 37 You think so?

Speaker 36 I think so. I don't know, boy.

Speaker 37 I don't know.

Speaker 36 No,

Speaker 36 I don't think so. I had a couple.
I know for sure I had a couple of real big games, real, real, real big ones. After, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 36 I'm not, listen, I'm not

Speaker 36 160, 160,

Speaker 36 180, 120, where you know, 150 and a couple of took, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I don't know, maybe, and maybe I'm not even superstitious. I'm not even superstitious, but I just understand that feeling of

Speaker 37 horizontal activity and then finishing and having to stand up and, oh, shoot, and just being a little wobbly, you know not not not not not being in my right state of mind but damn the equilibrium must be off

Speaker 36 yeah

Speaker 36 i don't play like that

Speaker 36 i don't play like oh yeah me either oh cho you see you see the position i play i don't play like that either

Speaker 36 but man nah but in all seriousness though joe i'm like man

Speaker 36 in today's time with like you say the the technology, the way it is. Yeah.

Speaker 36 You can't do nothing. You can't seize you.
It's just hard. It's hard to get away.

Speaker 36 CD number owned it. Hey, Jerry going to tell Pickers to go out anytime he wants to after that performance because Jerry said that's one of the best performances he's seen.

Speaker 37 Matter of fact, with the way they playing in general, as a 1A and 1B, man, y'all go ahead and do what you need to do. Do what you need to do.

Speaker 37 You know, as long as you show up the way you've been showing up on the field, man, we good.

Speaker 36 Hey, we good. Just don't, hey, just a just hey, just don't let nobody see y'all.
Don't let nobody see y'all going out. Yeah, that's it.
That's it.

Speaker 37 And when you come in,

Speaker 37 when you come in coming through the back, though.

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Speaker 36 George Pickens hopes his first season is not his last. Pickens said, I love to be back, especially with CD and Dak,

Speaker 36 all the guys, really. Pickens is the fourth and final year of his rookie contract that he signed with the Steelers at the second round in 2022.

Speaker 36 He's scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March

Speaker 36 of March. Pickens has 908 receiving yards through 10 games, the most through the first 10 games of a player's tenure in Dallas franchise history.
He's uh, he's second in receiving yards. Ocho,

Speaker 36 you know, I know you want uh pick to chase the bag. Would you be content

Speaker 36 if picks stayed in Dallas? Man, listen, hold on.

Speaker 37 But I want to talk about these stats real quick. Now, I want people to understand

Speaker 37 and understand how special George Pickens is, right?

Speaker 37 George Pickens is second in receiving yards, 908. Uncle He only got 58 catches.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 37 He only got 58 catches, man. So that's letting you know he's doing more with less.

Speaker 37 So let's start there. Now, George Pickens coming back to Dallas.

Speaker 37 I like the idea. I like the idea, right? You know, Pickens,

Speaker 37 CeeDee Lamb.

Speaker 37 Dak Prescott. We understand how special, especially with them having a year removed, going into a second year, on how special they can be offensively.
But I understand Dak has to get done again.

Speaker 37 I understand that. I understand that.

Speaker 36 They'll do Dak again. They're not going to let Dak know.
I think Dak number is damn near like $70, $75 million cap here. So they'll redo Dak again,

Speaker 36 but probably give him another

Speaker 36 five-year deal, make it like $300 million. And they'll give him, you know, at the time of signing, they'll give him $100 million.

Speaker 36 He'll get,

Speaker 37 I mean, he got guaranteed right now 229 million so he'll get another deal probably 250 million guarantee but is is is dak willing to take less to make sure george piggins gets what he deserves to make sure he gets close to his value because he's not going to get anywhere near close to his value if he stays in dallas i would love for him to stay in dallas he would be great there offensively and what he can do based on what he's putting on display right now i love it i love the idea i just understand when it comes to getting your first contract, your first big contract, most of the time,

Speaker 37 unless you that guy, like that guy guy, they've already paid CD Lamb.

Speaker 37 You know, so based on where he is right now, he would supposed to be, if he was elsewhere, he would overlap CD Lamb's contracts.

Speaker 37 He would overlap it, but he won't be able to do and get his true value because he's staying in Dallas. So does he want to take a discount and say, you know what, I'm going to stay here.

Speaker 37 I'm going to take less to stay here in dallas and be productive here or do i want to go somewhere else now whatever he chooses to do that that's on him but i'm gonna have a conversation with david mulangetta and we're gonna sit down and we're gonna talk and we're gonna see what type of plan we're gonna put together for pick and see what's best for him for our foreseeable future now dallas cowboys fans i love y'all i love what pick brings to the table but don't be selfish don't be selfish you should want what's best for pick two.

Speaker 37 Yes, being with the Dallas Cowboys, that's what you want because you're a Dallas Cowboy fan.

Speaker 37 But what's best for George Pickens, his family, and his long term, let's think about him long-term, you know, and being able to set up not just his kids, but his grandkids' kids.

Speaker 37 You know, now if he can get that done in Dallas, I'm all for it.

Speaker 36 I think the thing is, Ocho,

Speaker 36 they do, they redo Dak.

Speaker 36 That'll take 30 million off the the cap right there

Speaker 36 to make his cap to bring his cap number down yeah um they'll probably do something restructure uh uh

Speaker 36 give cd's money and a signing bonus yeah that'll take more money off the cap okay now we talking so i i think i think i could i could i see him getting a deal somewhere

Speaker 36 five years

Speaker 36 180 million Okay.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Okay. Okay.
Okay. We cooking.
Okay. We cooking.
I can see.

Speaker 36 We cooking.

Speaker 37 Now, the problem is, now, see, we thinking sensible.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 37 Me and you thinking sensible, the chat, they thinking sensible, especially any Cowboys fans that's in the chat. You know, I love y'all too.
I love y'all.

Speaker 37 Don't think I'm hating. I love y'all.
But,

Speaker 37 and Jerry gonna think sensible.

Speaker 36 Yeah, I think

Speaker 37 he gonna think sensible. Now, we know how Jerry Jones is when it comes to when it's time to pay.

Speaker 37 You understand that? Now, is George Pink gonna have the patience to deal with that bullshit Jerry liked to do, making you wait to the last goddamn minute? I don't know.

Speaker 37 We understand the issues that Jerry Jones has had with David Mulagetta in the past. Yeah.
Is he gonna have the patience to want to deal with the bull drive that Jerry gonna put him through?

Speaker 36 So

Speaker 37 there's other dynamics that come into play, you know. Well, what Mullagetta might want to tell Pick, man, listen, we ain't got time for this shit.
Oh, my bad.

Speaker 36 I'm sorry. We ain't got time for this.
I think

Speaker 36 because Pick got an edge to him. Yeah.
I think Pick has a lot of on the field and how he goes about his business on the field. Yeah.
He has a lot of Michael Irving in him. Yeah.

Speaker 36 We know what Jerry thought of Michael. Yes.
What he thinks of Michael. So I think he would probably lean towards probably getting something done

Speaker 36 that's going to everybody because he realized now.

Speaker 36 He traded for Mingo. Mingo ain't seen the field yet.
Yeah. This year.
I think he's been a healthy scratch the last couple of times.

Speaker 36 Remember, they traded a fourth-round pick from Carolina to get Mingo.

Speaker 36 He's finally got a guy. He's finally got a guy.
Yeah. That's comparable to CD.
It's hard to get a guy comparable to your number one.

Speaker 36 He can fight him tooth and nail. Big, great, great hands, make tough catches.
Tremendous run after the catch. Very good.

Speaker 36 Big, big,

Speaker 36 big body receiver. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 36 Jerry realized those guys don't grow on trees.

Speaker 37 Absolutely not.

Speaker 36 And

Speaker 36 we got him in our home. The best thing to do when you got him in your home, Mojo, is what?

Speaker 37 Don't let him leave. Don't let him leave.

Speaker 36 Don't let him leave. He's on pace for 99 receptions, 1,544 yards and 12 touchdowns.

Speaker 36 Dak is the only team in the NFL this season to have featured top five player in passing, rushing, and receiving yards. Dak is fifth in passing yards.
Javante Williams is fifth in rushing yards.

Speaker 36 Pick is second in receiving yards.

Speaker 36 Man.

Speaker 36 So think about all the offense they got and look where they are because why? The defense.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Defense got to pick it up.

Speaker 36 Now we'll see. We'll see if they can replicate what they did.
They got the Eagles. We'll see if they can replicate what they did.
They went out and made it.

Speaker 36 They let Michael Parsons, they traded Michael Parsons to get

Speaker 36 Kenny Clark and Quinny Williams. That's what Ada said, look, we got to stop the run.

Speaker 36 Clark is more of a run stuffer. Quinny Williams can play the run, but he's more of a pass-rushing DT.

Speaker 36 You got Clowny, you got Fowler, you got Williams, you got some guys that you got a Diggazua that you paid a lot of money to. He's still there.
So we're going to see.

Speaker 36 We're going to see.

Speaker 36 The Eagles,

Speaker 36 we're going to see what the Eagles, we're going to see

Speaker 36 what the Eagles, because you're going to need to establish the run. You're on the road.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 36 See if Saquon can get loose. Looks like Lane Johnson is going to be out.
They're going to have their backup in there. We'll see.
He says, Hey, I want to make a name for myself.

Speaker 36 Lane Johnson is etched in stone. He is what he is.
One of the great

Speaker 36 linemen in history.

Speaker 36 Now it's my time to get an opportunity to show you what I'm capable of. So it's going to be very, very interesting.
But everybody,

Speaker 36 everything.

Speaker 36 I don't know what Jerry thought he was going to be when he traded for him, but he had to be, he has to have been everything that Jerry had hoped for and more.

Speaker 37 Absolutely.

Speaker 36 Was there ever a great teammate that you fought to keep on the team?

Speaker 37 Man, TJ, man, who's

Speaker 37 who's

Speaker 37 you know, I hate the dirty side of the business, but you know, it is a business. I wanted whoosh to stay, yeah.

Speaker 36 You know,

Speaker 37 I thought that that that that chemistry we had and going being from Oregon State and going from Oregon State, being drafted to the Bengals, I mean, I wanted that continuity to stay throughout the entirety of my career, but obviously things didn't go that way.

Speaker 37 I mean, that's about the only person. That's about the only person.

Speaker 36 They didn't really ask me.

Speaker 36 I mean, as I got older, I think once I went there

Speaker 36 and came back, I think Mike value my opinion on what I thought of certain guys. But for the me, hey, you make your own decisions.
Yeah.

Speaker 36 I'm going home. And if it, guess what? And when I come back in the spring for OTAs and it ain't here,

Speaker 36 I guess they moved on. Right.

Speaker 36 Despite being 8-2 and fresh off a Super Bowl win, there continues to be a lot of negativity surrounding the Eagles.

Speaker 36 AJ Brown threw more gas on the fire today when asked about speculation that he isn't the same player he once was. Oh, Joe, let's take a listen to what AJ had to say.
There they go with that bully.

Speaker 35 You know what I mean? There's been speculation out there that you are not the same player he once more. What would you say to those people?

Speaker 35 I guess that clients ain't player either.

Speaker 37 Hey, you see how the bull jab start?

Speaker 37 You see how the bull they come up with that. Oh, your production is not the same as it was before.
So now you're not the same player no more. Oh, now you lost a step.
This is the game they play.

Speaker 37 This is the game they play.

Speaker 37 This is how they do. This is how they say they do.

Speaker 36 know

Speaker 37 ain't nothing wrong with that man, man? You can see, you watch film. You watch the games on so ain't nothing wrong with that man.
Why even see them reporters be playing? That's how she, you know what?

Speaker 37 I would have swung on that reporter.

Speaker 36 He gave me a report. Oh, yeah.
But you see how, oh, oh, Joe, you see how he framed it?

Speaker 36 What do you say to those that say that you're not the same player anymore? You see how he framed it? Yeah.

Speaker 36 Yeah. What do you say about those that say you're not the same? Hoping that he gets something.
They got what he wanted.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 36 I guess Saquon ain't the same player either. They got what they wanted.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Because

Speaker 36 the context, it don't even matter the context. Yeah.

Speaker 36 Y'all said I'm not the same player. Well, Saquon ain't got a thousand yards rush.
Remember, at this point in time last year, he had a thousand yards. Exactly.

Speaker 36 So why y'all didn't ask? Why are y'all not asking questions about him?

Speaker 36 See, y'all keep coming. Y'all keep coming to me, asking me questions.

Speaker 36 But

Speaker 36 does the run game look the same?

Speaker 37 Nope. Sure don't.
So that means Saquon lost it?

Speaker 36 No, ain't nothing wrong with him. Ain't nothing wrong with him.
And ain't nothing wrong with AJ Brown.

Speaker 37 The reporters know that. But the reporter going to go fishing every time.
Now,

Speaker 37 it's on the player on whether they catch that bait or not.

Speaker 36 You're right, OJo. That's it.
You're right. You know, A.J.
Brown, he's one of them.

Speaker 37 He's going to give you what you want every time.

Speaker 36 Oh, AJ will speak his mind now. Oh, he's going to give you AJ Brown every time.

Speaker 37 There was one other player just like that, too, that played over there at that War 81.

Speaker 37 You ask him a question, he's gonna give you what you want every time so be careful he ain't sugarcoat nothing

Speaker 36 man look i just think the thing is now is that

Speaker 36 we eight and two yeah so what can we be critical of ain't really anything you could be critical of because the team's eight and two they're number one in the they're the number one team in the division so let's go to aj brown and hopefully he said something negative about somebody else yeah that's all you gotta hope that's all they're hoping for now

Speaker 36 that's it you said like you said it's it's a fishing expedition. Okay, that's it.

Speaker 36 Let me see how big of a fish I can catch.

Speaker 37 And matter of fact, this is the thing, too, right? The bait is the way you word the question.

Speaker 37 The bait that the reporters use is the way they word the question. I'm going to word it in this way and say they say, you know, we don't even know who they is.
Who is they? Is they watching film?

Speaker 37 Is they not seeing what's going on?

Speaker 36 Yeah, we eight and two.

Speaker 37 I've been complaining about they the whole time. They should know what the problem is.

Speaker 36 And how about this here?

Speaker 36 If uh, whoever says that I'm not the same player, will ask the opposing team why they could keep putting their number one corner on me then.

Speaker 36 If I ain't what they say, if I if I ain't what you think or what they say I am, yeah, all I know is I get roll coverage and I get their best, they get their best corner.

Speaker 36 They don't put their third corner on me, they don't put their second or third corner on me. Why not?

Speaker 36 Yeah, they say I ain't got it no more.

Speaker 36 You right,

Speaker 36 I don't

Speaker 36 throw me the ball and find out. Yeah.

Speaker 36 That's the only way I mean, that's that's all I can tell you. That's all I got for you.
I ain't got, I ain't got nothing else to say. I really don't.
Look, y'all know how I feel about this situation.

Speaker 36 Yes, I'd like to be a more active participant in the offense. Yeah.

Speaker 36 I think if we, if, if all the receivers, I think, look, and I don't want to speak for anybody else, but I think we all think that we could be more involved and the offense would

Speaker 36 flow smoother

Speaker 36 if myself, Devontae, Garter,

Speaker 36 Dotson, if we became more involved. Yeah.
That's not where we are right now. Hopefully that changes.

Speaker 36 Any more questions? Good day.

Speaker 36 That's it. That's all I got for you, Ocho.
Yeah.

Speaker 37 Yeah. Hey,

Speaker 37 that's that good politically correct answer.

Speaker 36 Hey, hey, hey. I thought about being politic.
Hey, I still might. Might be perfect for politics right now.

Speaker 37 Politician?

Speaker 36 Okay. Okay.
I like it. I say, hey, I'm at least.

Speaker 36 uh with that being said though ocho no i was just like hey no we're not playing what you want me to say man you watching the games yeah we're not we're not we're not playing well and we're not good offensively

Speaker 36 no who can you pick out and say okay they're doing an outstanding job offensively bro we ain't scored a touchdown in a month

Speaker 36 a month

Speaker 36 A professional NFL team has not scored a touchdown.

Speaker 36 So there's enough blame to go around on everybody offensively from coaches to players, myself, the quarterback, the offensive line, the running backs.

Speaker 36 There's no way to just pinpoint the blame because one time we get a holding call, next time we jump offside, the next time we make a mistake, we do a middle mistake.

Speaker 36 So there's enough blame if we just,

Speaker 36 and it's just not, okay, we get something going positive, hold it. We get something going, then we have somebody with a middle mistake.
So there's enough blame to go around. But at the end of the day,

Speaker 36 it's upon everybody on this offense that's in that room and the coaches to figure it out.

Speaker 36 So let me ask you a question. You think Cincinnati feeling sorry for us? Nah.
You think Tennessee feeling sorry for us?

Speaker 36 You tell me the team that's on our schedule that feels sorry for us that we haven't scored a touchdown

Speaker 36 in five weeks.

Speaker 36 No, nobody.

Speaker 36 So

Speaker 36 they're not feeling sorry for it. Why the hell are we feeling sorry for ourselves?

Speaker 36 Empathy is something someone else have for you. You can't have it for your damn self.
Right.

Speaker 36 Oh, Po me. Oh, oh.

Speaker 36 Well, stay over there.

Speaker 36 Stay over there. But AJA, bro,

Speaker 36 don't let them try to get you to try to throw

Speaker 36 dirt on somebody else. Don't even do it.
Hey, y'all heard what I said. I done said, I don't really need to reiterate it.
I've just been saying this for the last year.

Speaker 36 I would like to become more involved in the offense, not out of selfish reasons do you see our passing game is struggling

Speaker 36 and right now we're very dependent on the defense but at what point in time do we get to cap the character do we did that do we have to do we get to earn our checks because the defense is earning their checks every week every week right now we're getting free checks

Speaker 36 yep

Speaker 36 so

Speaker 36 AJ later said he does not watch what other wide receivers do around the NFL.

Speaker 36 Reporters ask him, say, why? His response, it gets me upset. Absolutely.

Speaker 36 Now he's talking my language. Yeah, yeah.
That's a good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 37 Hey, listen,

Speaker 37 unless you're being productive, unless you're a part of the offense week in and week out, and knowing that you're going to have those catches and those opportunities, I'm not watching the others that are getting them.

Speaker 37 Because that's going to get me mad. You think I'm going to be watching film on Jamar and JSN and George Pickens and and Devontae Adams, and they out there going crazy weekends.

Speaker 36 They're getting 10, 12 targets a game. I'm getting 4-5.

Speaker 37 Man, please, man.

Speaker 37 Absolutely not. I don't want to see that.

Speaker 37 Hell no.

Speaker 36 I was very fortunate. Like I said, it wasn't like it is now, Ocho, where we had this influx of tight ends.
But yeah, Ben Cole had 160. I had eight, had 40.
Yeah.

Speaker 36 Nah, man, that man ain't no 120 yards better than me. Uh-uh.

Speaker 36 No, hell nah.

Speaker 36 I see Brett Jones or them guys. Oh, no, hell no.

Speaker 36 So I, I, I, I, 1,000%,

Speaker 36 1,000%.

Speaker 36 I am, I'm not watching. And don't let me, and don't let me, you know,

Speaker 36 I'm playing one of those guys. Yeah.
Man, hey, Romo,

Speaker 36 man, don't y'all let that man come in here and show y'all in front of me.

Speaker 36 Don't y'all let that man come in his house and show out in front of me now. I'm just saying, don't let that man come in this house and show out in front of me.

Speaker 36 Do what y'all a do what y'all do to me in practice, right?

Speaker 36 I like that. It's a good one.
Yeah, man. Come on now.

Speaker 36 How that's gonna, how that's gonna look, Ocho. Gonzo came up in my house, go for a buck fifty.

Speaker 36 Now I'm on the sideline.

Speaker 36 Hell no.

Speaker 36 Hey, like Tom, see, I don't want to, I want to play with Tom. Because remember that game that Randy went off? Yeah.
Randy had like two or three touchdowns?

Speaker 36 Excuse me. T.O.
had a went off with like two or three touchdowns. He said, come on, Moss.
He gave Moss four in the first half.

Speaker 36 You good?

Speaker 36 I'm good. Yeah.

Speaker 36 I'm good. I'm real good.

Speaker 36 Kevin Petula and Sirianni are quite obsessed with the hitch route, ranking the most hitch routes run per game via true meteor. Dallas Goddard, 9.44, Devontae Smith, 9.1.
AJ Brown, 7.56.

Speaker 36 No other team has more players in the top 16.

Speaker 36 What I told you. What I told you the other day

Speaker 37 about

Speaker 37 the route concepts.

Speaker 37 I can tell you what A.J. Brown, I can tell you what Devontae Smith is running based on their alignment and and based on formation and definitely based on down and distance every single time.

Speaker 36 Every time. I don't play for the Eagles.

Speaker 36 I love football.

Speaker 37 I'm not an Eagle fan, but I watch the game. The fact that I can still tell you what they're doing and I don't watch them every single week.

Speaker 36 I mean,

Speaker 36 I mean, if I know what's coming, you don't think the people that actually watch film and get paid to

Speaker 36 have a job to know.

Speaker 37 Yeah, man, come on now.

Speaker 36 I mean,

Speaker 36 I just don't know how you expect to be effective when you have this many guys in the top running hitches.

Speaker 36 Really? Push the ball down the field.

Speaker 37 You got to. Because if you don't, they're going to sit on top of everything.

Speaker 36 Why?

Speaker 37 Which is why most of the short and the

Speaker 37 intermediate routes keep getting knocked down.

Speaker 36 Why? Because there ain't no threat for you going over the top of it. Hell no.
Why am I backing backing up? Knowing you ain't going no farther than 10 yards,

Speaker 36 I ain't even getting out of my back pedal.

Speaker 36 That's why Smitty catched so many deep balls over the top. Because he done hitched them.

Speaker 37 Hey, he done slanted him and hitched them to death.

Speaker 36 Hitched and slanted him to death.

Speaker 36 And they be looking like, oh, here comes it. No, he over the top of you now.
Hey, it's either the hitch, the slant, or the curl.

Speaker 37 That's it.

Speaker 36 Oh, or maybe the cross of the overs.

Speaker 36 The over out.

Speaker 36 They did a lot of over. A lot of times when they throw him the gold ball, he's on the left-hand side.
Yep.

Speaker 37 That's it.

Speaker 37 That's the extended route treat for them right there.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 36 It's like,

Speaker 36 and I know it's frustrating. It's frustrating because you see all these guys.
You see Jackson's, you see JSN, you see a mecca, you see Puka, you see Chase, you see all these guys

Speaker 36 getting all the honey

Speaker 36 and getting up a vinegar

Speaker 36 they give me enough of vinegar

Speaker 36 yeah i'm salty i'm

Speaker 37 and not only am i only not only am i only getting vinegar they paying me 33 million dollars yeah and the first thing they're gonna do is well

Speaker 37 man i don't know your production slip you're you you're yeah you're not the same it seemed like you done lost a step we paying you 33

Speaker 37 but the production you're giving us is like you we paying you 12 or 10.

Speaker 37 so we're gonna ask you to take a pick a what

Speaker 36 i already know i listen i already know the game ain't finna play unfortunately i'm not gonna be able to do that guys i wish i i wish i could i wish i could help you out with your cap yeah

Speaker 36 uh uh

Speaker 36 joe burrows made huge steps in his recovery journey on Wednesday by being named a full participant in bingo's team practice

Speaker 36 excuse me. This is the first time that he's gotten the designation since he suffered the turft toe injury in week two.

Speaker 36 Joe would need to be activated by December 1st from the injury reserve to have any chance to play again this season. Oh, Joe,

Speaker 36 your Bengals are three and seven.

Speaker 37 Yes, sir.

Speaker 36 Three and seven. You got seven games to go.
Yeah, yeah. Is there a scenario which you see if the Bronx, if the Bengals were to lose Sunday? Yes, sir.

Speaker 36 Is there a scenario where you see Joe being activated? Because if he's not activated by June 1st, excuse me, December 1st,

Speaker 36 that means he can't. I mean, basically, he can't come off and he'd be on there for the rest of the season.
Do you see a scenario where you guys lose this game and him come off injury reserve?

Speaker 37 Yeah, honestly, I think regardless, there is really no scenario in this matter or in this case.

Speaker 37 Whether we win or whether we lose, Joe Burrow being the competitor that he is, he would probably override any suggestions that he gets from doctors,

Speaker 37 anyone that sits in positions of power

Speaker 37 in that front office, and he's coming back to play, whether we're losing or not.

Speaker 37 Just knowing Joe Burrow, the type of player he is,

Speaker 37 the type of competitor he is, whether we have a chance to get to the playoffs, or he's going to want to finish the season off strong

Speaker 37 and make some

Speaker 37 statement to show that he can still stay upright.

Speaker 37 He can still be healthy, you know.

Speaker 37 regardless of circumstances, whether we're going to the playoffs or not.

Speaker 36 So you just, hey,

Speaker 36 you just looking forward to them getting back out there on the field.

Speaker 36 You don't really think y'all are going to make no playoffs, make no scores.

Speaker 37 Hey, hey, Joe, Joe, honestly, right now, I haven't really thought of the scenarios or the possibility of us making the playoffs at three or seven. I think it's very, very difficult, Joe.

Speaker 37 Honestly, I think it's very difficult. But for me,

Speaker 37 I would love for Joe to come back. Not even playoff scenario, but just to finish the season off strong.
Finish the season off off strong, get in, you know, get in there, do what you can.

Speaker 36 Finish the season off strong, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 36 Hold on, let me feel.

Speaker 36 You're about to be three and eight.

Speaker 37 I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about from a team standpoint at this point. When we, when you're three and seven, I'm just saying individually,

Speaker 37 all players need to finish the season off strong from an individual standpoint so they feel a little better about themselves going into next year, regardless of whether we did well, or we whether we did well or we didn't as a team collectively.

Speaker 36 Ain't no regardless. Ain't no irritation.
And stop using irrigardless. You guys are supposed to use irritable irregardless.
Regardless.

Speaker 36 I said or regardless.

Speaker 36 Yeah, y'all were terrible this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were terrible.
But you can't finish y'all on no good note.

Speaker 37 Okay, I said, that's why I said individually. That's why the first thing I said, even if, even if we lose, which we won't, which we probably won't.

Speaker 36 You going to lose?

Speaker 36 Take the if out. Take the if out.

Speaker 36 We play. Take that out.
You know, y'all, first of all, hold on. Y'all was losing with Chase.

Speaker 36 Y'all was losing with Chase. Yeah.
He gone.

Speaker 36 Okay, now let's try again.

Speaker 37 Like I said,

Speaker 37 someone who has a little optimism, Joe.

Speaker 37 I'm going to talk to you.

Speaker 36 I got you. I got you.

Speaker 37 I'm a little optimistic. Ain't no telling what's going to happen.
I know Chase is not playing this game.

Speaker 36 We got 11 weeks. I know what's going to happen.

Speaker 37 You know what?

Speaker 37 Hey, Joe,

Speaker 37 I don't don't like the way Uncle's treating my bank.

Speaker 36 Hey, hey, Ocho, I think y'all just need to let Burton. Ocho, can I have, can I, you know what? I just want to take my last bite of yourself.
Take your last bite.

Speaker 36 Take your last bite.

Speaker 37 Take your time.

Speaker 36 I'm going to take a picture of Joe.

Speaker 36 I ain't talking crazy. I want to go ahead and finish and get some food on my stuff because I've been hungry.

Speaker 36 I had a couple events I had to go to.

Speaker 36 So I'm going to get my last right now.

Speaker 37 Take a time. Me and Joe got it.
Me and Joe got it.

Speaker 36 Anyway, Joe, like I was saying, listen, from an individual, you and Joe got it.

Speaker 37 Hey, from an individual standpoint joe yeah knowing how burrow is knowing the competitor that he is he's a liar hey he

Speaker 37 joe he coming back to play joe regard regards to how we doing

Speaker 36 but listen hey but sometimes oh joe you know we can get in our own way now yeah

Speaker 36 the man been bogged down with injury you know that toe gonna linger bro

Speaker 37 you know that hey joe i know i joe i know one thing if joe if burr ain't feeling 100 he not taking his ass out there on that field well then he ain't gonna play it ain't no way that toe is gonna be 100%, man.

Speaker 36 You listen, yeah. Let the man, let the man heal up, and then y'all get another crack at it next year.
If it don't happen next year, Ocho, you gotta blow that thing up. Okay, okay.
I mean,

Speaker 37 I like that, Joe. But I, me, me, honestly, if Joe feels good and knowing, knowing how he is, he's sitting on that sideline, Joe.

Speaker 37 If he can go, and then to think about it, 80, 85, 87, even a 90% Joe Burrow

Speaker 37 is better than half the goddamn league.

Speaker 36 It's better than half the league out there, even Hobble.

Speaker 37 So

Speaker 37 I would like to see him go, honestly, just to finish it off strong, just so you feel good about yourself in your head. And when the back of your head is like, well, goddamn,

Speaker 37 I done been hurt three out of six seasons, you know, and

Speaker 37 ain't been able to contribute or help my team out. Man, shit, knowing him, man,

Speaker 37 I'm finishing this shit off. Hey, look,

Speaker 36 I'm sure he probably does want to get back up. I mean, hell, he's making a lot of money.
Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 36 But, Ocho, sometimes, man, you know, you got to get in guys' way, man, and just tell them, Hey, look, we understand, yeah, we know you want to play, yeah, but uh, you probably need to sit the rest of this season now.

Speaker 36 We can get you right going in the next season,

Speaker 36 hey, man, y'all out there just playing uh football just to be finishing the season, they may get hurt again. Now, come on now, yeah, I mean, you're right, I'm trying to help y'all, man.

Speaker 37 I'm trying to, Joe, you, Joe, you're right, but I'm telling you how the individual is.

Speaker 36 He's an animal,

Speaker 36 but he's an animal, right?

Speaker 37 He an animal. I, I just, I just don't see any scenario where he can go sit down, especially.
He was a full participant in practice today.

Speaker 37 He was a full participant in practice.

Speaker 36 See what that thing feels like tomorrow. Yeah.
Unless Joe Burrow come back as a combination of Miles Garrett and Lawrence Taylor, y'all ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 36 I don't give a damn what he come back at.

Speaker 37 We understand that part, Joe.

Speaker 36 So if he come back, it's Miles Garrett and Lawrence Taylor. Yeah.
Lil Bigster, Deion Sanders, right and Ray Lewis in there. So which one of them is he going to be?

Speaker 37 Right. I mean, neither one.

Speaker 36 Neither one.

Speaker 37 You have to understand that. That's not the part we talk about.

Speaker 37 You got to understand the type of individual Joe is.

Speaker 36 I know what he is. Okay.
You don't become the number one overall pick without being a competitor.

Speaker 36 But you also don't become somebody without being realistic.

Speaker 37 Yeah, man, I understand. I joke.

Speaker 36 Have you seen your defense? Yeah, Unc.

Speaker 37 That man ain't thinking about none of that. That man ain't thinking about none of that.

Speaker 37 That man is thinking about getting on that field, getting back healthy, and trying to contribute and finish the season off on a high note for him in the village so he feels better about himself going into the offseason.

Speaker 36 I'm telling you how he's thinking, I know it.

Speaker 37 Because if he wasn't, it wouldn't be no goddamn reason to be a goddamn presser today.

Speaker 37 Oh, he, hey, Joe, he was over here.

Speaker 36 Look at your screen. Look on your screen, though, Joe.
We got something showing for you. What's that? Look what they're bringing it back.
Look at look how they're bringing it back, Joe.

Speaker 36 Is that bubble rap?

Speaker 36 Y'all, we got to. We ain't got no choice.
Hey, why

Speaker 37 Why y'all disrespecting him a quarterback now?

Speaker 36 Hold on, hold on. Well, you over there laughing.

Speaker 37 He better than Bo Nick's down there in Denver right now. And he ain't even, and Joe ain't even playing.

Speaker 36 We're not debating his skill set. We're not debating how good he actually is.

Speaker 36 Because,

Speaker 36 excuse me, we know he's great.

Speaker 36 We're not debating that.

Speaker 37 I know, I know, but the jokes, hey, but hold on, the joke's just flying and the he, he and the ha-ha and like, like he ain't that boy.

Speaker 36 You don't think that fit. You just said the man been hurt three of his six years.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I'm just speaking facts on what he's doing.

Speaker 36 Yeah, ACL, his first year he got hurt. The next year, he went through, then he went to the, then he went to a Super Bowl.
Then he got his wrist hurt.

Speaker 36 Now he done missed T, he missed the entire rest of that season, which was probably about eight, nine games.

Speaker 36 Now, this is week 12, so he's going to miss a bare minimum, a bare minimum another 10 games right what the hell happened to my camera you act like you act like we we put this around brett favre

Speaker 36 payton come on now oh damn you're talking about a guy that's been he missed 10 games this rookie season if not more he's gonna miss 10 games this season uh with his wrist injury he missed probably another 10 games so he's missed probably 30 games since he's been in the league right i i did i didn't need you to detail all that the whole thing

Speaker 36 really great was, oh, Joe, you know this. They got to be available.
Yeah.

Speaker 37 Yeah.

Speaker 36 Yeah, you listen. You right.
You are available.

Speaker 36 What good is that? Man, I had the best feet. Man, I had the best feet in the NFL.
Yeah.

Speaker 36 But you played every other year.

Speaker 37 Yeah, yeah, you right. You right.

Speaker 36 But

Speaker 36 you played every Sunday.

Speaker 37 I did. I did.

Speaker 36 I did.

Speaker 37 Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, you should have seen my feet, Joe.

Speaker 36 These things right here, Joe. Oh, yeah, I seen you cut a rug or two.
Hey, these things right here, Joe? Yeah.

Speaker 37 Hey, them boy got a mind of their own, boy. You hear me?

Speaker 36 We already know what's going to happen, Ojo. Man, Ocho had 150 yards and two touchdowns, but they lost.

Speaker 37 That's a lie. That's a lie.

Speaker 36 Now we don't do that, Ocho. Don't we?

Speaker 36 Don't do that.

Speaker 37 You saying longest Ocho guy he is, he was cool. Nah, nah,

Speaker 37 Joe, I'm not saying that I did everything.

Speaker 36 No, he wasn't happy about it. He just knew it was.
Hey, I'm hot. He knew I'm going to get mine.
Unfortunately, I'm not in a situation where as a team, we're good enough to win more than we lose.

Speaker 37 Joe.

Speaker 36 So I got to do my part.

Speaker 37 And Joe, my grandma always told me, baby, in life, you can only do one thing. You can control what you can control and do your part.
So, Joe, I did my part.

Speaker 37 Now, collectively, as a team, I can't control the other 10 people. I can't control the 11 people that's on defense, but I know what I can control.

Speaker 36 What's that, bro? I control.

Speaker 37 Me.

Speaker 37 I can control them feet that had a mind of their own. Hey, Joe, I'm the only I'm the only receiver in the history of the game.
They didn't pay me to play receiver. Joe, they paid me for my feet alone.

Speaker 37 I'm just saying. I'm just being honest to you.
It's in my contract. If you look, I show you a copy of McContract.

Speaker 37 It states we are paying him individually on what he's able to do with his feet.

Speaker 36 That's what they paid me for.

Speaker 36 So you're saying when the DB lined up in front of you, he had no chance. Lot of preferred who?

Speaker 37 You.

Speaker 37 Man, the devil is is a lot joke why ain't play that up there you get a don't ever get too close to me we will have a conversation because i'm gonna talk to you all the way through the route okay huh yeah man i ain't joe i ain't play no game joe

Speaker 36 hey boy hey joe he was he was in this he was in this band ojo can sing really really good but they ain't have no number one hits because they would let him sing lead

Speaker 36 So if they let him sing lead or they had more people like Ojo in the band, they'd have been really, really good.

Speaker 36 So, in other words, he really needed to play an individual sport where he could just rely on himself because when you play football, you really got to rely on the 10 guys on offense, the 11 guys on defense, and the 11 guys that they tried out there every time on special team.

Speaker 36 Ocho did his thing, but like he said, he could only do,

Speaker 36 he couldn't tackle nobody, he couldn't get no picks, couldn't sack the quarterback. Hey, Joe, we had some and then they got really good once they got they got caught when well, Kittner wasn't bad.

Speaker 36 bad kittner threw for 4 000 kittner wasn't no bad quarterback but they was bad enough that they got the they got ended up getting uh carson palmer with the number of the overall pick and then once carson got in there they kind of took off from there

Speaker 36 yeah hey joe we were good man we listen we we had we had some we had some ups and downs hold up let that look i don't get i don't pat you on the back now yeah i appreciate it i was patting you on the back i wasn't trying to beat dust out your clothes i just pat you on the back you know the bad joke he wanted to beat dust out of his clothes now damn i appreciate appreciate it.

Speaker 36 I was just going to leave it at that. Man, Ocho was really good.
Ocho did his play.

Speaker 36 I was nice now. You know, I was a little something.
Now, a little something to watch, man. Yeah.

Speaker 36 Hey, Joe.

Speaker 37 Hey, you know, hey, Joe, I could fill up a stadium by myself, Joe.

Speaker 36 I would like that.

Speaker 36 You're going to put on the show now. Oh, yeah.
You're going to get that.

Speaker 37 You're going to get that. Whether I was playing home or away.
I'm going to fill your stadium up.

Speaker 36 Yeah, see, that's what I need to. See,

Speaker 36 I need to be a couple of years younger. Yeah.
Because he'd have been, I'd have been talking to him on the sideline, talking right out of the game.

Speaker 37 Uncle How you gonna going to take my script and try to use it on me?

Speaker 36 Oh, Joe, you do realize I was talking before you was born.

Speaker 36 Unc, what do you know where I'm from?

Speaker 36 Do you know where I'm from?

Speaker 37 Do you understand we start in Pee-wee? Pee-wee optimist.

Speaker 36 That talking started at four years old.

Speaker 37 You wasn't doing that when you was four. When you was in four, you was that there in the country, you know, picking watermelon.
You weren't talking like this.

Speaker 36 I came out the womb talking.

Speaker 37 Yeah, this is what I do. Hey, Joe, I'm telling you, Joe, but you put me in the right environment, boy.

Speaker 36 I say, we talked it right out of this game, Joe.

Speaker 36 Hey, I'm saying, y'all ain't never played against each other. Yeah,

Speaker 36 hey, Joe, I

Speaker 36 spanked him.

Speaker 36 He was younger than me.

Speaker 37 It don't matter. Joe, I spanked him when we played him.

Speaker 37 Every time,

Speaker 36 Joe, I showed up to the party, but with notes that I was on, oh, Joe.

Speaker 36 You was on it.

Speaker 37 You was on the team. What you talking about?

Speaker 36 Joe, we already said you had 30-something yards, Ocho.

Speaker 36 That's all?

Speaker 36 What do you mean that's all?

Speaker 37 Yeah, I mean, because I'm just saying, I'm really not a 30-yard receiver.

Speaker 36 So the fact that I only had 30.

Speaker 36 And when you scored against the Broncos, Joe, I mean, Ocho, I was already out the game. The game was over.

Speaker 36 Hold on, you're saying you're going to get over.

Speaker 37 Oh, whoa, you're not finna do that? Oh, no, the devil is alive because you've been out the game now for 20-something years.

Speaker 36 And every time the Broncos don't play, you talk about the broken.

Speaker 36 i was when the game that you played when i was with the broncos right and the game you scored on you scored with like 20 seconds the game was over i was on the highlight drinking kool-aid barely well hold on wait a minute okay

Speaker 36 uh uh joe

Speaker 37 Hey, hey, Uncle, Joe, I think Unk might got amnesia because if I, if I recall in 2005 against the Denver Broncos, Monday night football, but I went crazy, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 36 I retired. I was in the booth.

Speaker 36 I was sitting at a desk.

Speaker 37 What does that have to do? You just said I only scored against the broncos

Speaker 36 you just said i only scored on the broncos in the last 30 seconds that's not what i recall no no no i said when i was playing on the broncos okay shannon okay okay with shannon i don't know what look what you did after i left yeah but i'm saying i do know you scored with like 35 40 seconds left of the ball game i done got my shoes off i got on flip-flops okay okay it's it sounds good i got on sound i got on shower shoes on the sideline I done cut my tape off and everything.

Speaker 36 And you still in there playing. Nah.
Hey, hey. Hey, hold on,

Speaker 36 when you scored at the end, you were still there. Hey, look it up.

Speaker 36 Hey, Joe. Hey, look it up.
I think it was either 2002, 2003. Joe.
Look it up, Joe. I ain't going to lie to you.
I remember like it was yesterday. He scored.

Speaker 36 We beating the brakes off him.

Speaker 36 And then he going to try to celebrate.

Speaker 37 I never, hey, Joe, one thing I never do, I was always self-aware.

Speaker 36 I was always self-aware.

Speaker 37 You heard me, Joe?

Speaker 36 Only words self-aware with that one. Because

Speaker 36 I don't even know why you scored a touchdown and want to celebrate. Hold on, I'm telling you how it was.

Speaker 37 I never do that. Hey, Joe,

Speaker 37 unless we're scoring first or I'm scoring to tie, I never celebrate if I was scoring and we were losing. Never.
Never.

Speaker 37 To me, that's a lack of self-awareness. And to me and myself, I look crazy because why the hell am I celebrating?

Speaker 37 There's nothing to celebrate for and we're not winning the game or actually tying the game. So that's something I always kept in the back.

Speaker 36 Well, you wouldn't win no game with me. But I'm just saying,

Speaker 36 well, was it 03 or 02? I'm trying to think it might have been 02.

Speaker 37 Nah, it was 02. I gave y'all that work.
That's all I know.

Speaker 36 03.

Speaker 36 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, get it right, Ash, pull up the receipts, Ash.

Speaker 36 When did he score that touchdown?

Speaker 37 Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, you see? You see, Ash put out the receipt, Joe.

Speaker 36 I was out there giving the boy that bitch.

Speaker 36 But see,

Speaker 36 hold on. The score was 30 to 10.

Speaker 36 The score was 30 to 3.

Speaker 36 Empty calories. Hold on.
He done did all that hard work. He got some cardio in the first four and a half quarters, three and a half quarters.

Speaker 37 Why, didn't you just heard Ash say, I was giving y'all that work? You just heard Ash, I would give y'all that work.

Speaker 36 You caught a 23-yard touchdown. The score was 30 to 3.
We'll have to take our starters out. We didn't get nobody.

Speaker 37 Nope, the starters weren't out the game. They weren't out the game because

Speaker 37 you're not going to put no backups on me.

Speaker 37 No, you're not. No, you're not.
I think the person, if I'm not mistaken, that was coming, he wore 24.

Speaker 37 He wore 24. And he was there with me the whole game.

Speaker 36 Who Delta O'Neil? Nah. No, no.

Speaker 36 Champ wasn't there when I was there, Ocho. Okay,

Speaker 36 I was gone. Oh,

Speaker 36 who was it? It was Delta O'Neill.

Speaker 37 Well, he got that work, too.

Speaker 36 Who ended up playing with you in Cincinnati, if I'm not mistaken?

Speaker 37 Hey, he got that work. Anybody with a two and a number got that work

Speaker 37 for years straight, except Revis. Except Revis.

Speaker 36 I'm going to give us credit. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

Speaker 36 who?

Speaker 36 Who you giving credit to? Oh, Revis. That's it.

Speaker 37 That's it. And listen, hey, Joe.

Speaker 36 No, no, no, no, no, no. We didn't have Revis.

Speaker 37 No, no, no. I'm just saying.
I was telling Joe, anybody with a two as their first number got that work for 11, 12 years straight, Joe.

Speaker 37 I seen Revis. Oh, man, it was like a bad relationship that never turned out right.

Speaker 36 You hear me?

Speaker 36 How you get to Revis Island and couldn't get off there? Huh? Let me find out you was Gilligan. No, I ain't had.

Speaker 36 You oh, Gilligan. He was on Gilligan.

Speaker 36 Hey, Joe, I got stuck. Anybody coming to rescue Gilligan?

Speaker 37 Joe, I got stuck, Joe. I ain't have my passport.

Speaker 36 He had defense like damn, Joe.

Speaker 37 Yeah, I mean, listen, hey, hey, hey, Joe, he was nice, Joe.

Speaker 37 He was nice. He was nice.
He was nice.

Speaker 36 I'm not going to say him like that.

Speaker 36 I talk crazy.

Speaker 37 I talk cash shit. But one thing I'm going to do, boy, when it comes to defense, I'm going to get up with it, give him his credit.
And every time I see him, I give him his flower.

Speaker 36 That year, he had a year, man.

Speaker 37 Oh, Joe. Everybody got it, Joe.
That 2009 season, Joe,

Speaker 37 that was an historic run that will never be repeated.

Speaker 36 Never be.

Speaker 37 Every week, he traveled with number one. I don't care.
Hey, coach, I got it. Don't even worry about this.

Speaker 36 And nobody was getting a hundred. No, no, nobody will get a hundred.
No. A hundred? You shut down.

Speaker 36 You shut down T.O. He shut down.
Yeah, everybody.

Speaker 37 Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson. Nobody got over 50, boy.
There's one person.

Speaker 37 There's one person who consistently was able to give Reese that give Revis that business and give him problems, and that was Stevie Johnson.

Speaker 37 Stevie Johnson, yeah, played in Buffalo. Hey, Joe, Stevie was about 6'4 and moved like he was five feet tall.

Speaker 37 I mean, his far his lateral movement and his quick

Speaker 36 to give him problems. You couldn't be a big receiver and be physical with him because he made it to his hands.
Then

Speaker 36 you had to be quick. You had to be twitchy.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 36 If you weren't twitchy, it's a rap.

Speaker 36 You had hell on your hands if you weren't twitchy.

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