BEST OF NFL Week 12 Part 2: Shedeur Sanders SNUBBED of GAME BALL after first Browns win, Mahomes taking shots at Andy Reid?!

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Speaker 23 Falcons got on the winning track, Ocho, by the score of 24-10 over the New Orleans Saints. Kurt first cousin, 16 of 23, 199, two touchdowns, one pick.
He was sacked three times.

Speaker 23 Bijan Robinson had 14 carries for 70 yards. Algier had 12 for 44, 29 carries, a buck 21.

Speaker 23 Mooney had three catches, had a big touchdown over the top, 49 yards, one touchdown. Ocho, I watched this game.

Speaker 24 See, this is one game I didn't get to see. There was only so many TVs out there.

Speaker 23 Yeah, chat, if you're a Falcons fan, you know what I'm about to say is true. What happened? What happened? Kyle Pierce Senior dropping too many passes, Ocho.
He just, I don't know what is.

Speaker 23 I don't know what it is. I mean, he just dropped it.
I'm talking about routine stuff. I'm not talking about no acrobatic catching where you got to go up.

Speaker 23 I'm talking about stuff hitting him dead in his hands. I'm talking about over-the-shoulder stuff.

Speaker 23 He's too, and he's too talented. He's as talented of a tight end, receiving tight end that I've seen come out in the draft.
He's supposed to be Brock Bowers.

Speaker 23 He's supposed to be McBride. That's what he's supposed to be.
Yeah.

Speaker 24 He's dropping him clean, clean, huh?

Speaker 23 Clean.

Speaker 24 Hold on. You talking about clean, like contested catches.

Speaker 23 No, he's dropping routine stuff, hitting him in the chest. Ain't nobody right now.
No, he just dropped it. Oh, damn.

Speaker 23 And I just thought, I just knew this was going to be the year that, you know, he shows everybody why he was a top five pick. He went in front of Chase.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he was number four, huh?

Speaker 23 It's just, it's,

Speaker 23 I just, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.
I, I, I just, I, I, I, did, I did not envision, especially come off the season that he had as a rookie where he went over a thousand yards.

Speaker 23 Yeah,

Speaker 23 I just knew, like, okay, the sky's the limit. This could be, and it just, it just hadn't, it just hadn't clicked.

Speaker 23 It just hadn't clicked.

Speaker 23 Jackson, Smith, and Jigba have another awesome day, Ocho. Eight catches, a buck 67 against the Titans.
He has 1,313 receiving yards. He broke DK's record that he set in 2020.
DK did that in 16 games.

Speaker 23 He's broken the record in 11 games. Smith

Speaker 23 and Jigba is

Speaker 23 on pace to become the first player with 2,000 receiving yards in a single season.

Speaker 24 If there's a player that should get it, if there's a player that the NFL and the team and the powers that be that control everything, he's one of the ones you want to do it.

Speaker 24 He's one of the players you want to allow to be able to break that record. JS is having one hell of a season, huh? He's having one hell of a season.

Speaker 24 And the fact that he's continuing exactly what he started at Ohio State, we saw him in the Rose Bowl go for what, 200, 280?

Speaker 23 No, he went for three.

Speaker 23 Oh, 330.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he did went for three something. And coming to the NFL, most of the time, it's a hit or miss when it comes to receivers.

Speaker 24 But for him to show that, not only did I do in college, but hold on, hold my beer. I'm going to give it to you in the NFL, too.

Speaker 24 Every week, not just one week, and then he goes missing for two or three weeks. But I'm talking about back to back to back.

Speaker 24 And it's a testament to not only the quarterback, but the play calling that continuously puts him in position to be able to make these plays and create mismatches.

Speaker 24 So he can do exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 23 The Tennessee, yeah.

Speaker 23 yeah the seattle win they moved to eight and three thanks to a 30-24 victory over the tennessee titans sam darnoll was 16 of 26 244 two touchdown kenneth walker had 11 carries for 71 yards they had 20 rushes 114 yards one touchdown sharp enough uh but it was jackson smith and jigba eight catches a buck 67 two touchdowns uh they had 16 or 16 uh completions for 244 yards.

Speaker 23 Man,

Speaker 23 he cooking, folks. I mean, he's unbelievable.
I mean, he is, wow, he's so smooth.

Speaker 23 Clean, he's so smooth.

Speaker 23 Man, I've seen silk that wasn't that smooth, Ojo.

Speaker 23 That Joker, man, good God Almighty.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he's cutting up now.

Speaker 23 Yeah, man.

Speaker 24 He's cutting up. And you know what the funny thing about it is? It don't matter who it is.
You know, you think, man, okay, maybe he's playing against bad defenses.

Speaker 24 Maybe he's playing against bad teams.

Speaker 23 It don't matter.

Speaker 24 Everybody getting that work.

Speaker 23 Everybody getting that.

Speaker 24 Everybody.

Speaker 23 So don't know about, oh man, I locked, not this year. There might be a time down the road that you say I locked him up, but not this year.

Speaker 23 He own one. I want to see him get 2,000.

Speaker 24 Yeah, once you get into a rhythm like this, ain't no stopping. And the play calling is going to always continue to be in your favor just so you can get that record.

Speaker 23 Ask somebody, is he going to be the MVP if he gets 2,000 yards? No.

Speaker 23 Because somebody had to throw him the ball to get him 2,000 yards.

Speaker 24 Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 23 So Matthew Stafford, right now, I think Matthew Stafford has a stranglehold. Now, I will say this:

Speaker 23 if

Speaker 23 Miles Garrett was on a winning team, doing what he's doing, he would get serious, serious, serious consideration.

Speaker 24 Consideration, yeah, hands down,

Speaker 24 hands down, absolutely.

Speaker 23 Because I'm talking about, I mean, he might, he might be, like I said, I think he's going to be the first defensive player, the win defensive player of the year that's on a losing squad since Cortez Kennedy did it.

Speaker 24 Oh, shit.

Speaker 23 But

Speaker 24 can you see me?

Speaker 23 Yeah, I see you. Now I hit the wrong button.
I ain't got the one I like you.

Speaker 24 Hold on, I hit the wrong button on my computer, man. Oh, there you go.

Speaker 23 Damn.

Speaker 23 But Smith and Jake, but it's having an unbelievable season, and it's a pleasure to

Speaker 23 watch him go to work, and it doesn't matter. They see you too, Ocho.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 23 The Jags beat the Cardinals in overtime. We had a couple of overtime games today.

Speaker 23 I thought we might get another one with the Cowboys and the Eagles, but hey, the Cowboys walk it off thanks to Brandon Aubrey's 42-yard field goal. But we did get two overtime games.
We got

Speaker 23 Detroit and the Giants, and we got this one right here, the Jags and the Cardinals.

Speaker 23 As

Speaker 23 Trevor Lawrence was 18 of 30, 256, three touchdowns, three picks,

Speaker 23 and a fumble. So they got four turnovers.
Damn.

Speaker 23 The Cardinals got four turnovers.

Speaker 24 And still, and still.

Speaker 23 And still lost.

Speaker 24 Hey, Jacoby with Dylan, though, boy.

Speaker 23 Oh, yeah. 33 or 49, 317, one touchdown.

Speaker 23 Michael Ocho. Yeah.
Again, you see what he did? Now he get a big play. He spin the ball.

Speaker 23 Ball hit his foot. Roll to the end.
So now he got to go get it. Now he got to come back and try to find the official.
You see?

Speaker 23 Bro, come on, man. Y'all come on now.
Come on, bro. There's a time and a place to celebrate.
You down. Why are you spinning the ball?

Speaker 23 Do you not understand situational football in that situation? Yeah. Spinning the football.
This is not the first quarter. This is not the second quarter.
Bro, this is over. This is over time.

Speaker 24 No, they don't.

Speaker 23 They excited. Oh, my God.

Speaker 24 He's excited to make make them plays, huh?

Speaker 24 But you got to know.

Speaker 24 You got to be aware of your situations. The time.

Speaker 23 You remember Pittsburgh, the guy Claiborne?

Speaker 23 What was the time?

Speaker 23 Who was the receiver from Notre Dame?

Speaker 23 He caught the ball in Minnesota. Chased Claypool and started celebrating, Ocho.

Speaker 23 Ted, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, ted, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tikki, tea.

Speaker 24 The time of going down, huh?

Speaker 23 Yes.

Speaker 23 But I'm looking, I'm like,

Speaker 23 I'm just, oh, yo, I'm just looking at him. I'm looking at him like this here.

Speaker 23 Come here, you. Come here.

Speaker 23 See, back in the old, when we played Ocho, you do some foolishness like that.

Speaker 23 Come here, son. Come here.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 Get you a little sofa.

Speaker 24 Hell no.

Speaker 23 Now, if he hasn't already, he'll apologize. Yeah.

Speaker 23 He'll apologize. Like, look, I just can't do that.
Valuable time is off the clock. Oh, you, you got the ball.
Just get the ball, go back. You saved 10 seconds.

Speaker 24 10 seconds, yeah.

Speaker 24 Hand it to the ref.

Speaker 23 Maybe more.

Speaker 24 You hand it to the ref,

Speaker 24 you get leaving more time on the clock.

Speaker 23 But the Jags win the score in overtime 27 to 20. Even though Arizona takes the ball away four times,

Speaker 23 they still lose the game.

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Speaker 23 The Browns beat the Las Vegas Raiders by the score of 24 to 10. Shadura Sanders became the 42nd quarterback to start a game for the Browns since they came back into the league in 1999.

Speaker 23 He also became the first Browns quarterback to win his first career start in the NFL since Eric Zeire did it back in 1995.

Speaker 23 The victory ended a 17-game losing streak for Browns in games in which the quarterback was making their first career start.

Speaker 23 That was the longest streak by any franchise since 1950 when quarterback starts were first recorded.

Speaker 23 The win snapped a 13-game road losing streak for the Browns, which was also the longest active streak in the NFL and their second longest in franchise history.

Speaker 23 Shador was 11 of 20, 209 yards with one touchdown and an interception.

Speaker 23 He was, look, they didn't run the football worth of nothing. 27 rushes, 67 yards.

Speaker 23 But Ocho, his ability, and he's looking, the thing that you have to like about him, he's looking to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 23 He realized I don't catch big fish fishing around the shore.

Speaker 23 I need to cast way out there.

Speaker 23 You see, he rolls out of the pocket, throws it over the top.

Speaker 23 He's going to give those guys an opportunity to make plays i was very impressed with him and i know what everybody said it wasn't nobody but the raiders but had they lost he was gonna say well he can't beat the raiders how is he gonna beat this team that team well we won't know how he'll do against this team or that team because we know the team that he played today he put puts in them go ahead on

Speaker 24 it it was the raiders it was the raiders but what i saw from zedu tonight i mean tonight it looked good there's there's There's room for improvement.

Speaker 24 There's some things that he could do well.

Speaker 24 He would also need his supporting calves to help him out. Jerry Judy, I know you want a dead leg, baby, but just go ahead and get, hey, young boy, just go ahead and get out of bounds, get them yards.

Speaker 24 There were some throws. I know Shadur would probably probably probably want to have back, especially that interception, you know,

Speaker 24 staring down that stick route, right

Speaker 24 at the snap of the ball. Outside, especially when you can't run the ball, I mean, you can't run the ball into making it dimensional.
It's very, very difficult. It's very, very difficult.
But

Speaker 24 they were able to pull the win off. I'm sure Shadur is probably not happy and glad he got the win, but there's a lot of stuff you can go back and look at and he'll watch film and see where he can

Speaker 24 improve in certain areas. And I like the fact that he not only got a start, he made history today.
He made history today and he gets to build on that going into next week.

Speaker 24 I'm not sure what's going to happen with Stefanski, if Dylan Gabriel is healthy, if he's going to be the starter or not. You know how stuff like that is up in the air.
So

Speaker 24 I like the way he looked today. I mean, I'm excited for him.
I'm excited for him because

Speaker 24 the offense looked different. It just looked different.

Speaker 23 They had a bounce about him. If you think about it,

Speaker 23 and the defense did their part. They sacked Geno Smith 10 times, Ocho.

Speaker 24 It was 10?

Speaker 23 10. Miles Garrett had three.
Miles Garrett has 18 sacks with

Speaker 23 six games to play.

Speaker 24 He needs five more, right?

Speaker 23 Five more to break the record.

Speaker 23 If you keep singling him he's gonna get 30.

Speaker 23 he's got 13 sacks in his last four games oh that's crazy yeah yeah he gets in that sprinter stance he gets down like a track and get down on all fours yeah he coming to hunt the quarterback but i i i like I like the fact that Shador was looking to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 23 And I think that's what they needed, guys. Because having been a receiver, bro, I want to get down the field.
I want to, hey, throw the ball. Hey, look, I want to catch the ball.

Speaker 23 but all this shallow cross and all these bubble screens and all that.

Speaker 23 But come on, man. Yeah.
It's hard to methodically go down the field. Oh, Joe.
You know, and we're going to talk about this.

Speaker 23 The Chiefs going down the field, they had 13, 17, 12, and they're kicking field goals. But it's hard, especially when you got a young quarterback.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 And to ask him to be perfect. Tom Brady could play like that.
That's Tom Brady.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 23 He's not going to make those mistakes.

Speaker 23 But you're asking a first or second year guy, young quarterback, to say okay we want you to be basically we end up being somewhere of 25 or 33 for a 275 yard three touchdown nah you're asking him to do too much let him take some chances and i thought shadour did a great job of getting outside the pocket on the one they scored on ocho yeah he did a great job he goes back

Speaker 23 he's holding the safety just like this there and then the last second he turns and so by the time the guy catches and gets up the safety like hold on if i come downhill i ain't gonna get there so let me try to get him at a nah i ain't gonna be able to get him

Speaker 23 because basically when he hit that seamocho yeah it was good night irene yeah it was a rap yeah it was i mean

Speaker 23 but 11 to 20 i mean and he was like hey that's one week of starting imagine when i get an offseason yeah imagine when that call plays specifically for me

Speaker 23 yeah imagine yeah you got you got uh who's that john litting who said imagine

Speaker 23 all the people

Speaker 23 But I thought he played really well. I thought he was really poised.
I thought, I know it was great to see his dad was in attendance. And Ty was like, well, I don't know.
Man, you know Goodwill.

Speaker 23 Ty wasn't missing that one for nothing in the world. They could have been playing.
If Colorado had had a game today,

Speaker 23 Ty would have like, man, you know, hey,

Speaker 23 I ain't feeling too well.

Speaker 23 It would have snuck out here to Vegas to watch his son. And that was great.
Because, you know, this is really the first time that his dad's not coaching him. His dad's not around.

Speaker 23 Picking up the phone is one thing but being able to have a conversation face to face

Speaker 23 is something entirely different but i was really really pleased with the way he played i thought he threw the ball really really well isaiah bond did a great job uh

Speaker 23 samson uh what he caught that yeah that long that 66 yarder like you said jerry judy bro

Speaker 23 did you think he was like i mean he that he was just oblivious like ain't nobody behind me he

Speaker 24 ain't listen i don't i don't know what judy would think about i don't know how you forget about the goddamn backside support.

Speaker 24 Pursue, you know, they coming now.

Speaker 24 You know, they coming. Hey, listen,

Speaker 24 I'm not sure. There were three defenders in front of him.
Yes.

Speaker 24 He was getting ready to dead leg somebody.

Speaker 24 I know the setup, but you got to understand, you got to have self-awareness, understand your surroundings, man. Get that thing, get out, make a business decision, or take your ass out of bounds.

Speaker 24 One or the other.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 23 get out of bounds. But look, I know the receivers are happy because he's giving them opportunity to make plays over the top.

Speaker 23 All that shallow cross and bubble screens and all that we talked about earlier, Ocho, this gives him an opportunity to push the ball down the field and give them an opportunity to make some big plays.

Speaker 23 After the game, Kevin Stefansky was non-committal on the starting quarterback for next Sunday's home game against the 49ers. Ocho, the video is going viral online.

Speaker 23 Here's Stefanski handing out game balls in the locker room after the game.

Speaker 23 Stayed resilient together. Like I told you, we needed to, right? Stay resilient together and we fought together.
How about Gage's big punt return on special team?

Speaker 23 How about Corey?

Speaker 23 Every single time you're out there pinning those guys doing your job great.

Speaker 23 Offense wasn't perfect, wasn't perfect. How about that big play by Sam at the end?

Speaker 23 IB, huge play. Q, huge play.
Harold making a big play. And then another rookie making his first start.
Nice job, Shador. Well done.

Speaker 23 There's that old saying, save the best for last. How about that defense?

Speaker 23 Holy

Speaker 23 is what I have to say about that. 10 sacks by our defense.

Speaker 23 Okay?

Speaker 23 I got one ball in my hand. Okay, I got a guy.
He's got to get a cold every week. Okay, he had a cold this week.
Wasn't feeling himself.

Speaker 23 Three sacks which gives him 18 on the season for 11 games through 11 games which breaks his own browns record miles garrett

Speaker 23 so i'll see you guys in tomorrow hey i'll see you wednesday

Speaker 23 i remember

Speaker 23 so hold on a guy making his first start a guy that you didn't really want to start a guy that you didn't even want in your organization right right and that's all he get great job

Speaker 23 He don't get no game ball.

Speaker 24 Nah, he don't get no game ball. That wasn't his pick.
That's not what they want. They don't want him to succeed.
You know that.

Speaker 24 No disrespect. The owner told you, the only told you to himself.
Even the head coach, the head coach guy, the head coach's guy is Dylan Gabriel. We all understand that.
Listen, didn't you do it?

Speaker 24 Make history tonight? Yeah.

Speaker 24 First Browns quarterback as a rookie to start and win after what?

Speaker 23 Since what? 17. I mean, you got to think about Ocho.
They've had 42 starting quarterbacks since 1999. Right.
No quarterback making his first start.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 23 The last 17

Speaker 23 have said, we didn't do get it. They didn't get it done.
Yeah. Well, listen.

Speaker 23 That didn't work the game ball, Ocho?

Speaker 24 It's clear as day, man. It's clear as day.
Like, I mean, we've been going back and forth about this over and over, that nitpicking a here and there.

Speaker 24 And people, people say, oh, they hate, they're not hating. Oh, Dylan Gabriels.
Listen, all that, we know what the play is.

Speaker 24 The writing is on the wall. It's always been on the wall.
When the owner came out and said what he said about this not being my pick, this is brother Drew Berry, Drew Berry, right?

Speaker 24 Is that how you say that? Andrew Berry, Andrew Berry, excuse me, Andrew Berry, it was his pick, it was his idea. I mean, we know what it is.

Speaker 24 You know, the odds are stacked against you, the odds are stacked against you. When the opportunity presents itself, he has to go out there and do what he did.
Do what he did.

Speaker 24 The odds were stacked against him. He went out there, had a good game today,

Speaker 24 much, much more room for improvement, but he gave him the opportunity to win. He allows him to have a different style of offensive play calling when he's out there playing.

Speaker 24 And that's all he can do.

Speaker 23 Oh, Joe, I ain't say you got to get a man a car.

Speaker 23 I ain't say that. I ain't say you got to pick the man up on

Speaker 23 the team need to pick him up on his shoulders and carry him off the field. But that little bit, oh, you talk about big-time catch.
Hold on. And this is not a knock on you, Harold Fanny.

Speaker 23 So please don't take it this way. He had four catches for 40 yards.

Speaker 23 I mean,

Speaker 23 he made two big. I mean, Shadura played his ass off.
Level 20A had an interception. I thought he was very good.
I thought he was very good with his eyes. I thought he was very good with his feet.

Speaker 23 Everything was attached. And that's all you got for the man.
Miles Garrett deserved five. All the football that you

Speaker 23 brought to El Vegas, give them to him. Say, son, we're going to ship off.
All 40 of these damn footballs to your house in Cleveland. Miles Garrett, whatever Miles Garrett want.

Speaker 23 As a matter of fact, Miles, you're underpaid.

Speaker 23 Take your ass back in there and get more hey you need to get 50 million yeah and he'll get this record as long as the browns are able to keep the game close yes where teams can't just run run the ball right excuse me excuse me as long as they as long

Speaker 23 you see he got five last week why because for the large part a large portion of the game they had the lead so if his team got the lead on what you got to do oh joe you got to throw the ball back in the game right when you see what happened tonight they jumped out on him 14 another 14 three now you got the past You can't, first of all, your run game is not good enough, and your offensive line was not good enough to blow people off the ball.

Speaker 23 So you got to throw it.

Speaker 24 Right.

Speaker 23 And they got a good enough defensive line that you can't just double. I'm doubling Miles Garrett.
Somebody else might get three sacks, but it ain't going to be him. Him, yeah.

Speaker 23 Because he's a guy that you game plan. Oh, Cho.
We go in there on Wednesdays. They got him circled.
He got red ink around him. This is the guy that if we don't block, he's going to tear our ass up.

Speaker 23 He will destroy our game plan, run or pass. Yeah.

Speaker 23 With that being said, that man couldn't flip Shadua football, Locho?

Speaker 24 You know, the man wasn't flipping him no football, uh.

Speaker 24 You know, the man,

Speaker 24 that is not the individual that they want after him.

Speaker 24 They made that clear a long time ago. The game that they've been playing in training camp, him not getting reps, we understand that.

Speaker 24 So, therefore, them, you actually wanting him to give him credit after a game, that ain't happening. So, to me, it's not surprising to me because, okay,

Speaker 24 we already already know what it is.

Speaker 24 We know you're not our guy. I think Shador even knows that as well.
He's not tripping. I'm going to prepare myself so when the opportunity presents itself, the end result looks like the day.

Speaker 24 The most important stat, that W. That's all that matters.

Speaker 24 Listen, on the next week, I'll see you Wednesday.

Speaker 23 Ojo,

Speaker 23 you and I have both been in situation. And Charlotte, I know y'all probably the last guy that y'all want to hear dating advice from, but

Speaker 23 we've all had the young lady, Ocho, she was gorgeous, drop dead gorgeous.

Speaker 24 Yeah, come on, wait, take your time.

Speaker 23 I wanted her so bad.

Speaker 24 Yes, yes.

Speaker 23 But when it didn't work out, I realized the other one, she was the best for me. And I needed to give her credit.

Speaker 23 Because the one that I wanted,

Speaker 23 it didn't work out. I understand Stefanski won't Dylan Gabriel.
But you got to understand

Speaker 23 the guy now is the best for you.

Speaker 23 And it's going to give you the best opportunity to win because he is unafraid to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 23 Because in this league, that's how you win. Big plays.

Speaker 23 I just, I don't get it. Ocho, sometimes you got to, like Coach used to tell her, sometimes I got to fool him.
Sometimes you got to lie to your team.

Speaker 23 Even if you don't like Shador, even if you won't Dylan Gabriel, you won't commit. I get all that.
And I get the semantics. I get

Speaker 23 the scheme of it, Ocho.

Speaker 23 I want them to prepare for both. Knowing damn well, Dylan Gabriel ain't going to see that field anytime soon.
I get all of that.

Speaker 23 But this notion

Speaker 23 that this thing is even close,

Speaker 23 this notion.

Speaker 23 That this was just a whole, I mean,

Speaker 23 a whole hum performance. Right.

Speaker 23 The guy got no snaps with the guys that he played with the day until Wednesday of last week.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 23 And he does that on the road in a hostile environment.

Speaker 23 And all you got for him is that.

Speaker 24 Yeah. I mean, that's what it is.
And one thing about it, listen, you have to understand coaches have egos too. The owner has an ego too.

Speaker 24 The owner and the coach, not in cahoots, but they both wanted their quarterback. They got their quarterback in the third round.

Speaker 24 Things happen. Things can work out.
Dylan Gabriel is hurt right now there is no way in hell they're gonna sit on their hands and show the world that they made a mistake

Speaker 24 ain't no way ain't no way in hell that's not happening it happens ocho

Speaker 23 i mean it's not happening all made mistakes but the thing is not making a mistake do you learn from it because remember ocho

Speaker 24 uh mistakes without consequences there's no lesson to be learned well you have to understand but how many consequences have they had in the last what 40 40 something years this is this is the 45th start.

Speaker 24 This is the 45th starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns since 19, I don't even know.

Speaker 23 1999, this is the 42nd, 40-second different starting quarterback.

Speaker 24 That's 40-something quarterbacks. So, obviously, they haven't learned their lesson regardless of who the owner is, who graws, who the head coach is, and that's how they see fit.

Speaker 24 We're going to continue to prove that we made the right pick in the third round by

Speaker 24 doing goddamn Shadura Sanders somewhat of an injustice.

Speaker 24 And what they're trying to do is likely likelihood it's probably gonna backfire

Speaker 23 it's probably gonna backfire and not work in their favor all I'm saying is this I believe the young man played well enough today to earn another start

Speaker 23 no matter what you think about him whether you like him or dislike him whether you like his brassness his arrogance or his cockiness or whatever the case may be

Speaker 23 I don't know whether you like or dislike his father all I know is he played well enough today and chat and chat Cleveland Browns fans at any point in time did dylan gabriel play in his starts as well as shadure played today that's all i'm asking that's what you have to look at

Speaker 24 the way you judge a starter oh yo i'm not saying a starter can lose they said a starter can't lose his job due to injury mike shanahan said a starter can lose his job because if the guy comes in and he's playing better than you at the time you got injured that is our new starter yeah i i have a question yes i have a question before dylan gabriel had that concussion he played six games right he played in six games yes to the best of my knowledge yes okay sick games so i mean it would be hard to compare compare the two based on real-time real nfl games until we have shadour play sick games as well right see the the point is will stefanski and that organization allow shador to continue to play their game because they don't want him to prove them wrong That's what they don't want.

Speaker 24 That's why I think the game that

Speaker 24 Stefanski is going to play is he's going to find out is Dylan Gabriel, will he be able to go this week? So we're not

Speaker 24 on the wrong side of being right.

Speaker 23 Wait,

Speaker 23 OJ,

Speaker 23 instead of him, let him play. Because maybe he proves you right.

Speaker 23 Maybe all of a sudden he flops. I don't believe he will.

Speaker 23 I believe the kid had two months of mock. I believe that he believes in the way he was brought up and what his dad has instilled in him.
And he wants to be great, not because of his father.

Speaker 23 he's like my father did what he did yeah but he can't throw no passes for me no he can't slide the line he can't read anything for me everything that i'm getting now is because is my own i'm doing this should do it sanders and i love my father i love the last name that he bestowed upon me but at the end of the day he can't throw no passes

Speaker 24 you do realize that owner and that head coach Don't want to be made to look like a fool by putting 12 out there and having 12 continuously win you games. You you do realize that, right?

Speaker 23 Made me look like a fool to help me get to the playoffs. Made me look like a fool and make me be a consistent winner.
Make me look like a damn fool and maybe potentially get me to the man.

Speaker 23 Do you look? Do you know if that if Shadua were to get that get that team into the playoffs, get to the AMC championship game? I'm not talking about this year.

Speaker 23 I'm talking about, let's just say, in the next five years. Right.
If he were to do that and take that team to a Super Bowl, they'll build a statue. Yeah.

Speaker 23 I mean, it'll be, it'll be Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Shadua Sanders.

Speaker 24 You do realize the owner would look like a fool. You do realize the fancy will look like a fool.
They do not want young bulls to succeed.

Speaker 23 Well, the fans think they're a damn fool now to begin with. So it ain't matter what you look like.
They already think you are. Yeah.
I'm there.

Speaker 23 All you would do by keeping this going because you know, sometimes you got to keep your mouth closed because people won't know how big a damn fool you are.

Speaker 23 But I said, Boy, keep your mouth closed sometimes. People might think you're a fool, but if you open your mouth,

Speaker 23 you remove all doubt. Yeah.
So the the Cleveland fans, they don't hold

Speaker 23 Mr. Haslam and Stefanski in the highest regards.
So there's not a whole lot they can do to change that. Now,

Speaker 23 if you really want to go booing and carrying on,

Speaker 23 take the young man. Don't let him start next week.

Speaker 24 Hey, well,

Speaker 24 now you know the game these folk play. You understand.

Speaker 24 You've been around long enough.

Speaker 24 So him to have the game he had, right, to not only get a game ball, for Stefanski to get in front of the media and still be non-committal to who's going to be the starter next week.

Speaker 24 What does that tell you? We in goddamn week 12. We going into week 13.
There's no need to be playing these mind games as if we in goddamn training camp. You don't know who the fucking start.

Speaker 24 I'm sorry. You don't know who the starter is going to be.
It's a game.

Speaker 24 It's a game at this point because that's not who you actually want at the helm playing quarterback for your franchise because you don't want to look like a goddamn fool.

Speaker 23 Oh, Joe, there are are very few people. There are very, very few people with the first person

Speaker 23 that razzed their barry.

Speaker 24 Wait, who?

Speaker 23 Then my grandma say,

Speaker 23 my grandma say.

Speaker 24 Hey, bring that to me. Say that to me.

Speaker 23 There are very few people

Speaker 23 that are with the person that initially razzed their barry.

Speaker 23 Don't worry about you be driving tomorrow to see you like, damn, I don't understand.

Speaker 24 I ain't never heard that one before.

Speaker 23 You know, don't worry about it.

Speaker 24 But anyway, hold on, hold on, no, no, you don't skip over me like that. Give it to me in English now.

Speaker 23 Oh, Joe, a berry.

Speaker 24 Right. I know what a berry is.

Speaker 23 Juice.

Speaker 24 Yeah, juice.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 23 A lot. How many people that are married or in a serious relationship? Right.
That person that they're in that relationship with, that is the first person that piqued their curiosity.

Speaker 23 That is the first person that they love. That is the first person that they wanted to be with.

Speaker 24 Okay, so why you need to say that?

Speaker 23 Third, fourth, fifth but i'm that's what i'm saying okay

Speaker 23 i get it yeah so in a situation like that okay i'm but you know what just for gp just to endure to do a unbelievable job game ball for you right yes yes yes yeah you you do that when it's actually the person you actually want that's it that's a different you understand that's it hold on you're using that analogy wrong too honk no because my grandma used to say my grandma used to say what uh uh uh you said berry is it's cherry no raspberry you don't razz my berry which means he don't excite me

Speaker 24 don't worry about it ocho you'll get it hey that hey that hey that that must be some downside i ain't never heard of course it is of course no i'm saying down here it's it's more like cherry the first pop my cherry so you yeah actually okay you don't rat you don't razz my berry you don't excite me I like that.

Speaker 24 I like that. I like that.
That's different.

Speaker 23 So I get it. Shadur

Speaker 23 might not have excited them in the beginning. They was more excited about Dylan Gabriel.
Right. But at the end of the day,

Speaker 23 who makes you wholesome?

Speaker 23 Who makes your house feel like a home?

Speaker 23 Who, when you get excited,

Speaker 23 when you need someone to talk to and say, you know what? I'm going to love you through all those scars. And I know you got a lot of them.
But come lay your head on me.

Speaker 23 And I'm going to make it okay.

Speaker 23 That's what this young man had the potential of doing. Give him an opportunity.

Speaker 23 That's what we did, because a lot of times, I get it. We're visual.
Man, we're very visual.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 23 If you as sports, you're big, what do I see? Man, he could throw the ball 100.

Speaker 23 That's why they make so many mistakes at the quarterback position, Ocho. Because what can he do? He can throw the ball 80 yards.
I saw him on one knee, throw the ball 60 yards, and hit the upright.

Speaker 24 Ain't got nothing to do with it.

Speaker 23 How many times are you going to be on one knee? Because if he's down on one knee, that means he's down already. So the ball is going to be incomplete.

Speaker 23 With all that being said,

Speaker 23 a lot of times we get in awe about what we see.

Speaker 23 Sometimes the aesthetic beauty,

Speaker 23 long hair, complexion,

Speaker 23 face body. Yes.
Oh, she got degrees stacked on top of the grease. Uh-huh.

Speaker 23 But sometimes it's what's on the inside, it's what we can't see.

Speaker 24 Right.

Speaker 23 That's the determining factor. Tom Brady had no aesthetics.

Speaker 23 He couldn't run fast. He couldn't jump high.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 23 He didn't have, he didn't have no arm like Mahomes or Josh Allen, but what you couldn't see

Speaker 23 made him deadly.

Speaker 23 See, sometimes

Speaker 23 we look at the black mamba. The black mamba is not the most dangerous snake in Africa.

Speaker 23 It's not as dangerous as the bloom slang or the common brown in Australia. Right.
Or the western or the coastal Taipan.

Speaker 23 But he has the name. You see the black number.
Now, he will attack without provocation. Most snakes that are venomous, they won't attack without provocation.

Speaker 23 That's what makes him so deadly because it is one of the few snakes that will attack without provocation.

Speaker 23 Man, give that man a damn game ball.

Speaker 23 It ain't your game ball any damn way. It's like you buy no footballs.
Hey, he got me hot up in here.

Speaker 24 See, hey, hey, hey, don't, don't, don't let your emotions get the best of you because you think you're mad right now.

Speaker 24 You think you're mad right now? Wait until Wednesday and watch the games they play.

Speaker 23 Oh, hey, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 23 Wait until Wednesday. You remember that song, Mocho?

Speaker 24 If you think you're lowly now wait until tonight if you think you're low if you think i'm mad now like you say wait until wednesday all right talking about america cabin come out there says uh dylan gabriel is taking snap boy i break up everything well i tell you i tell you one thing you might as well get the breaking right now you might as well get the breaking right now because you you you understand you understand the nfl you know the games that they play especially when the owner has come out at the beginning of the season excuse me at the beginning of the season matter of fact in training camp and saying a certain individual is not hitting draft pick.

Speaker 23 He said it, he did say that, yes, he came out and said it.

Speaker 24 So, what does that let you know already what the play is going to be for the foreseeable future as long as 12 is there?

Speaker 23 One in three people untreated just don't wake up.

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Speaker 23 The outcome that everybody expected, the Patriots beat the Bengals by the score of 26 to 20. Mike Grables, New England Patriots, became the first NFL team to reach 10 wins.

Speaker 23 Joe Flacco, Ocho, Chad, y'all remember I told Ocho, I said, Ocho, Joe Flacco, he gonna start out hot.

Speaker 24 Right.

Speaker 23 I mean, he's gonna be hotter than he gonna be hotter than four foxes in a forest fire. Yeah.

Speaker 23 But

Speaker 23 he'll turn over machine, huh?

Speaker 24 Nah, he turned over. He turned it over one time today.
He turned. Listen, 6'6.

Speaker 24 Hey, I know.

Speaker 24 Hey, listen. And you know what's funny? You know what's funny, too? Hey, that DB cheated.
He wasn't where he's supposed to be. You know that? He cheated up.
He stayed up much closer.

Speaker 24 How could you not, as a quarterback, not see that

Speaker 24 using your peripheral?

Speaker 24 But it was a two-shell.

Speaker 24 Instead of going back where he's supposed to be at, he's sitting there at the line of scripts.

Speaker 23 I'm like, man, what is he doing?

Speaker 23 Because guess what? What? Got a little pressure and he throw it late. What happens when you throw late to the flat?

Speaker 24 Oh, it's going the other way every time.

Speaker 23 Okay. Every time.

Speaker 24 Yeah, but listen, the pages, the pages had the pages had one hell of a game, they had a good game.

Speaker 24 Hey, Drake May threw intercepting too.

Speaker 23 You heard me? I got Drake May, I got Jacoby Brissette. I said, What you call him wasn't gonna get no TD? Uh, uh, uh, T.
Higgins,

Speaker 23 oh, I hit that fat, Jay. Y'all better be on that prize pick.
You made JSN. I said, JSN gonna have at least 94.

Speaker 24 Got it. I said that.

Speaker 23 Okay, you said that. Okay, I said Jacoby Brissette.
We're gonna have

Speaker 23 boot. got that drake may playing the bingles got that i said t higgins wasn't gonna get no touchdown no kind of way

Speaker 23 because gonzalez had it that because he got hurt

Speaker 24 nothing but his feelings hey but listen well honestly well technically you know my team won then basically

Speaker 23 whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa talk about what you mean your team who your team you know i played with the patriots uh now he played with the patriots

Speaker 24 hold on hold on hold on hold on, hold on. I'm just saying, I played there, I played there.
Listen, I played there, you know, towards the end of my career.

Speaker 24 I was old, I was old as hell, but I played there, you know. You know, I had to kick the tires a little bit, but I was there, chat.

Speaker 23 What's up? Did y'all hear what this man just said?

Speaker 24 I'm just saying, it is what it is. It's in the books.
You the one, you the one been telling me, listen, you play with the Patriots, you know. So, I mean, I'm just throwing it out there.

Speaker 24 I'm still a banger. I'm still a bangle.
I'm still a bango fan at heart, but I never knew. Yeah, I mean, listen, I, you know, honestly, I love everybody,

Speaker 23 the Patriots. Nah, nah.
You told me.

Speaker 23 You told me you played with the Bangles and your heart and your team that you grew up watching, the Miami Guppies. Right, right.
That was your two teams.

Speaker 23 What about you went to the Super Bowl with

Speaker 23 the Patriots?

Speaker 23 I ain't played, but I ain't wearing nah.

Speaker 24 Yeah, you know, you know, I say that, Uncle, I ain't really do nothing when I was there. I would like decoration.
Like Christmas time, you know how you love ornament on the tree?

Speaker 24 You know, the ornament on the tree, he's really there, but he ain't really got no, no, no well-doing, like the star that's at the top. You feel me? Yeah, you know, my days was really over.

Speaker 24 I was just out there, like, okay, this is why they went all the time, you know, and you know, just having a good time, enjoying the ride.

Speaker 24 I ain't really get you know to be productive or nothing like that, so I don't really want to claim nothing. I ain't really get no work in.
You feel me?

Speaker 23 I sure hope y'all got on that prize pick or that parlay I had. I sent that thing out at night for y'all.
I got another one coming for you.

Speaker 24 Hey, you know what I want to see too, Uncle Now we talk about the Bengals too.

Speaker 24 Hey, that goddamn uh mitchell tinsley yeah that goddamn mitchell tinsley man every time every time young bull in the game onk he making a play man plays happen hey i need i need to see him man since the since since um the preseason when he made that one-handed catch in the end zone every time he in the game unknown he making a play onk i'm talking about every time the day he beat gonzo he beat gonzo at the line of scrimmage Hey, I'm talking about setting like,

Speaker 23 I'm like, ooh. Hey, and you know,

Speaker 23 at that position, Ocho, if you stop your feet at the corner, it's over.

Speaker 24 It's a wrap.

Speaker 23 It's a wrap. It's over.

Speaker 24 Yeah, you got to keep your feet alive. You got to keep your feet alive.
So I would love to see him get a little bit more burned. T.
Higgins went out today. Chase is coming back.

Speaker 23 I think it's over for Burton.

Speaker 23 I think, Jermaine Burton, I think it's over, Ocho.

Speaker 24 You think so?

Speaker 23 And Sensei. I'm not saying it's over for him in the NFL, but I think his time's up.
I mean, he's another healthy scratch again. They're down the receiver, Chase, and they don't care.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 24 I don't know know what's going on in that area. You know, I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think Chase and T did what they could to take him under his wing.
I'm really not in a facility.

Speaker 24 I don't know the personal things that may be going on, but I know he's an extreme talent. He's an extreme talent.

Speaker 24 I'm not comparing him to Pickens. I'm just speaking on he has a lot of upside, a lot of potential, and I hope he gets.

Speaker 24 on the right chick at on the right track at some point, even if it's not in Cincinnati, because he can be tremendous. He can be tremendous for some team once you get things going.

Speaker 23 Oh, Joe, the Ravens beat the Jets. The Ravens have gone from one and five start to first place tie in the AFC North, despite Lamar not had in his MVP form.

Speaker 23 Lamar has been held on the 200-yards passing for three straight games for the first time in five years. He also has gone back-to-back games without a touchdown pass for the first time in six years.

Speaker 23 Lamar was asked if he

Speaker 23 felt fully himself in the recent weeks and if injuries are holding him and the offense backs, he said, I can't call it, but I'm out there, so I feel like I should still be able to do what I do.

Speaker 23 I feel like we just need to execute a lot better. We're getting great field possession, but we're not putting points on the board, and that has nothing to do with no injury.

Speaker 23 One of the biggest changes in the game has been the decrease in rushing.

Speaker 23 He holds the record for the most rushing yards by a quarterback, and he's averaging a career low, 29, less than 30 yards rushing per game. And Derrick Henry, they carried him, ocho.

Speaker 24 Normally, this is when you see the ravens run the ball 34 times yeah it's normally 200 plus yards yes sir they ran the ball 34 times a day less than 100 yards yeah i mean hey unknown listen it's something weird about this season it's something weird about this season when it comes to certain teams that we're used to seeing be very dominant especially offensively the chiefs it looks weird

Speaker 24 It looks very weird. The Baltimore Ravens, it looks weird.

Speaker 24 You know, even when they were healthy, they started out 0-2,

Speaker 24 They started out 0-2. So they really haven't been able to get themselves in a groove before Lamar got hurt.

Speaker 24 But the fact that they've been able to come back and dig themselves out of a hole and Lamar being back now, it gives them a chance no matter what.

Speaker 24 They will always have a winning chance as long as Ada is back there. As long as Aida back there, they're going to be all right.
At some point, that offense is going to have to hit their stride.

Speaker 24 They're going to have to hit their stride because the defense is playing a little better as opposed to how they look at

Speaker 24 how they looked at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 23 Ain't no way in hair lay stuff.

Speaker 23 I don't want to put too much because they played the chats, Ocho.

Speaker 23 Let's. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 24 Okay, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 23 I mean, they had 26 carries for 76 yards. Yeah.

Speaker 23 But for the Ravens, the run for the Ravens,

Speaker 23 Lamar was 13 to 23.

Speaker 23 Oh, D-Hawk ran a stutter go so sweet and he threw it out the end zone yeah did you see i don't know if you saw that ocho i i missed d hot ran a stutter goal ocho he run a he run a stutter so sweet yeah

Speaker 23 and he missed him and lamar missed him yeah i ain't see i ain't see that play hold on let me get my charger go ahead um

Speaker 23 Lamar was 13 to 23, 153, no touchdowns, no interception. He was sacked once.
Derrick Henry had 21 carries for 64 yards.

Speaker 23 Again, as I mentioned, they had 34 rush attempts for 98 yards, but they did have two touchdowns. Derrick Henry did get the ball in the end zone twice.

Speaker 23 But offensively, for something,

Speaker 23 they seem to be off. And I don't know why.

Speaker 24 This is Lamar, what? It's only

Speaker 24 his third week back, right?

Speaker 23 Yeah, it's probably about his third week back.

Speaker 24 Yeah, third week back. I mean.

Speaker 24 I mean, as he goes, the rest of the team goes. So when he gets back into rhythm and he starts feeling that confidence back again, then I think everything will pick up.

Speaker 23 Well, it's going to have to.

Speaker 23 The team beat the Colts for two quarters, including overtime.

Speaker 23 Chris Jones and the rest of the defense dominated the Colts offense, which allowed the Chiefs to exit Arrowhead with a much-needed 23-20 comeback victory.

Speaker 23 After the game, it looked like Mahomes took a shot at the Chiefs coaching staff when he praised Lou

Speaker 23 Amarulo.

Speaker 23 Ocho, take a listen to what my homeboy had to say. Yeah.

Speaker 37 They definitely do some of the stuff. I mean, Coach Anna Rumo is a great defensive coordinator, great coach, and he has this stuff.

Speaker 37 But I think what makes him such a great defense coordinator is he kind of tailors his team,

Speaker 37 tailors his scheme to the team that he's playing with. And so he wants to go with their strengths.
And so

Speaker 37 getting their guys in the best position to succeed. And even from some of the trades they've made, they've adjusted their defense as well.

Speaker 37 And so I think that's that's something that makes him a great coach is that he's not stuck in his ways of like how he calls the thing. He adjusts his scheme to the team that's around him.

Speaker 37 And obviously they've done a lot of great things this year.

Speaker 23 If you go back and study Ocho, if you look at them, what defense has given Patrick Mahomes the most trouble? The Cincinnati Bengals. Bengals, yeah.
Who's their coordinator? The guy that's at the Andy.

Speaker 24 And you know what? You know what's funny? Is you think about how difficult the Chiefs and the Bengal games are, how difficult they make it for Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 24 And look at what he has to work with over there in Indianapolis. Yes.

Speaker 24 Supporting cast of players he has to be able to pull off, making those games even more difficult, as opposed to the Bengal defense, which most consider

Speaker 24 to be bad, you know, in a sense. So, I mean, Todavius Ward, goddamn saucers out there, Zaire Franklin, they got a really, really good scar.
really really good squad.

Speaker 24 When Buckner coming back, I don't know.

Speaker 23 There's a possibility he might not come back, no, not this year, yeah.

Speaker 24 Oh, he hey man, he's a real, he's a real, he not, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 He's he, he, he's the, he's the disruptor, he's the, he's the, he's the guy that you circle, says, okay, we got to deal with him, yeah, but but my home, Mahomes, almost, almost, you know, I think he was trying to do too much.

Speaker 24 Mahomes was trying to be Superman today, huh?

Speaker 23 He

Speaker 23 missed some throws.

Speaker 23 Uh, Hollywood Brown had Sauce beat bad on a cobalt, yeah, and and Mahomes missed it. He had Trav on

Speaker 23 an uncover quick and he missed it. Yeah, he had Juju on the over route

Speaker 23 and he missed it.

Speaker 23 So there's some opportunities that are there that Mahomes normally wouldn't miss. Yeah.
Good thing Rashi Rice showed up today.

Speaker 23 Kareem Hunt. Look, Kareem's going to get you hard fought yards.

Speaker 23 He's not what he would like his rookie his first two years, Ocho.

Speaker 23 He's not that guy.

Speaker 24 Right, he wasn't asking.

Speaker 23 But he's solid. He's going to get you some hard fought yards, some hard ones, some hard threes.
He'll break a tackle. Good on the goal line.

Speaker 23 But Ocho, the problem that they're having is that when they get into the red zone, Ocho, they had a 17-play drive, settle for three. They had a 14-play drive, settle for three.

Speaker 23 Had a 13-play drive, settle for three. They had a 14-play drive, settle.
Ocho, you know this. Yeah.
You kick field goals, you get your ass kicked.

Speaker 23 you score touchdown now you really really put pressure on an opposing team that is the problem the problem is they used to be automatic when they got into the red zone

Speaker 24 every time hold on not not only automatic when they got into the red zone on the creativity between patrick mahomes and andy reed it was unbelievable remember all the tricks they used to do all the yeah

Speaker 24 and doing all you know having dude that's not working anymore because now the film is out there Now the film is out there. So it's a little different.
Everything is a little bit more difficult.

Speaker 24 Yeah, you know, once, you know, won three Super Bowls Bowls already. It's the same offense.
Everybody's seen almost everything

Speaker 24 you have today.

Speaker 24 So therefore, it becomes that much more difficult.

Speaker 24 People were talking, okay, the Chiefs are down. They're 5-5.
They're 500 for the first time. And who knows how long?

Speaker 24 But again,

Speaker 23 keep talking. My computer's messing up.
We finna do something. But you keep going.
Keep going. Keep talking about the Chiefs.

Speaker 24 Okay,

Speaker 24 anyway, chat, listen, I think when it comes to the Chiefs, right, as bad as they've been this year, they're 5-5. Obviously, we're not used to them being 5-5, but they're going to be all right.

Speaker 24 Anytime you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, anytime you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, he can put that team on his back, similar to what he did today.

Speaker 24 He almost lost the game a little bit because he was trying to do too much, trying to do too much, trying to be superman, trying to carry the load himself.

Speaker 24 The commentators talked about it. I'm sure he knows as well.
But Rashi Rice had one hell of a goddamn today, day today. He was eight foot.
He had, what, eight foot 141? Kareem Hunt with 30 for 104.

Speaker 24 And shoot, that's it. So, Chad, it's just me and y'all right now.

Speaker 23 Welcome to Nightcap with Ocho.

Speaker 24 Oh, you still there, huh?

Speaker 23 Are you back?

Speaker 23 Oh, Ocho, here it is. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 24 You good? I got it the rest of the way. Go ahead and chill.

Speaker 23 The Chiefs have a 17-play drive, 64 yards, three points.

Speaker 23 They had a 13-play drive that took eight minutes and 12 seconds, three points. They had a 10-play drive that 84 yards, 81 yards,

Speaker 23 three points.

Speaker 23 Then they fumbled. Then they had an 11-play drive,

Speaker 23 11-play drive that resulted in a touchdown. And then, Ocho, to end the game, they had a 15-play drive

Speaker 23 for 87 yards. And at that point in time, they were just trying to get in and

Speaker 23 got the field goal. And then the field goal to end win the game, Ocho, another 12 plays.
So that's 12. Let's see, 27, 30, 41, 46, 51, 54, 64, 77,

Speaker 23 94.

Speaker 23 They had 96 plays. Let me see if I'm mad because I was quick in my hand.
You know, you know, I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 You know, I'm just doing, I'm just, you know, I'm speeding through this thing. So let me see.

Speaker 23 The hell

Speaker 23 they had 91, so minus the penalty, they had 90, 91 actual plays.

Speaker 23 That's crazy. Ultra, you don't normally see that many plays in an NFL game.

Speaker 24 No, not today. 65, 70 is the norm.

Speaker 23 Yeah, 60, 65 is norm. Right.
91, 91 actual call plays? Yeah.

Speaker 23 That's crazy.

Speaker 23 Damn.

Speaker 24 Well,

Speaker 24 what do you think the issue is with the Chiefs?

Speaker 23 Obviously,

Speaker 24 not being able to score once they get into the red zone.

Speaker 24 They were automatic before.

Speaker 23 Okay,

Speaker 23 they won the Wildcat with Travis Kelsey, and then

Speaker 23 John

Speaker 23 pulls the guy's helmet. They call it back.
So you got to settle for a field goal.

Speaker 23 Whereas before, like you said, the creativity, they were able to get the ball into the end zone.

Speaker 23 Some razzle, dazzle, play, flip it here, there, you know, shovel pass to the tight end, shovel pass to the back.

Speaker 23 They were always quick screen, you know, jail, quick screens, get the ball into the end zone. Right.
Now,

Speaker 23 it's a struggle once they get inside the 20 because now it's condensed.

Speaker 23 And so,

Speaker 23 and they're not getting the home run because you remember, OJO, remember how they used to complete the big play over the top? Right. They had Tyreek.

Speaker 23 Now, once they got rid of Tyreek, their offense completely changed because they didn't have anybody that can get over the top. The top.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 So now everything was like ping, ping, ping, ping, ping ping ping and the funny thing about it even though they had the ping it and i call it i'm gonna call it tiki taka they had the tiki taka all the way down the goddamn field but because you had patrick mahomes you're still able to have success just doing that because he can make the right decision with the ball and not make mistakes but see what happens when you play that type of game ocho you got to be perfect you see the thing is i mean he tried to go with a quick pass guy gets his hands up yeah he picks it off now he's got the ball they got the ball in the one yard line that that's now that's unfortunate Yeah, but see, but here's the thing:

Speaker 23 what did they tell the mocho? The ball's going to come out quick. So get your hands up.
Get your hands up, yeah.

Speaker 23 Chiefs upcoming schedule at Cowboys.

Speaker 23 Texans at home. Chargers at home.
At Titans. Broncos at home.
At Raiders.

Speaker 23 Schedule again.

Speaker 23 Thanksgiving at Cowboys.

Speaker 23 Then that Sunday night football, they get the Texans at home. Then they got Raiders at home.
Then they're on the roll, Texans.

Speaker 23 Excuse me, Titans.

Speaker 23 Then Christmas, they get the Broncos.

Speaker 23 And then TBD Raiders.

Speaker 23 Damn. Well, by that time, the Raiders,

Speaker 23 everybody be living in the hotel. Because they be done packing their stuff up.
They ready to go, Ocho.

Speaker 24 Hey, well, honestly, listen, Uncle, if if you play in vegas it really ain't no ain't no need to really rush back home if you in vegas

Speaker 23 i mean yeah but you just want to get away ocho because you've been in the grind you've been you've been here i just want to get away i could always come back but i'm gone right i got you i got you i got you i got you

Speaker 23 The 49ers beat the Panthers 20-9. Kristen McCaffrey against the old team that he used to play for that drafted him as a top 10 pick out of Stanford.
CMC had 142 yards from scrimmage.

Speaker 23 He had 89 of those yards, 24 carries, 89 yards, long of 17, one touchdown.

Speaker 23 He had seven catches for 53 yards. So he's on pace, Ocho, to do something that only he, Roger Craig, and Marshall Falk has ever done.
Rush and receive 4,000 yards in a single season.

Speaker 23 All those guys did, they those guys did it once. If McCaffrey stays on the pace that he's on, he'll do it for the second time.

Speaker 23 So something very, very special. Something

Speaker 23 bears watching.

Speaker 23 Oh,

Speaker 23 here's the 49er schedule at Browns,

Speaker 23 Titans at home, at Colts, Bears, Seahawks at home. Yeah.
So, they got a pretty nice schedule.

Speaker 23 They got what, what is that, 1222. So, that's a Monday night.

Speaker 23 They got the Colts on Monday night football. And then they followed that up NBC at 520 game.
So, that's a

Speaker 23 Sunday night night game.

Speaker 23 So,

Speaker 23 but this game, Ocho, ooh, Purdy.

Speaker 23 Purdy was pretty awful.

Speaker 24 Listen, not only was Purdy awful, though, he threw interceptions in the first half. JC Horn played out his goddamn mind.
The defense played out their goddamn mind.

Speaker 24 And the Panthers offense, it failed us tonight, huh? The Panthers offense failed us tonight. I'm not sure what was wrong with Bryce Young and T.

Speaker 24 McMillan and some of the receiving Jimmy Horn, but they were off. Their communication.
This far into the season, you shouldn't be having mental errors like that

Speaker 24 or

Speaker 24 mistakes like that, especially in the passing game, because he's throwing the players that are running one route and the players are going a completely different way.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 24 So a lot of players would miss. Down on the goal line, Bryce, there was no need to throw that ball.
But you've got nothing but green grass in front of you.

Speaker 23 But Ocho, even if he throw, the thing is, you know, when you roll out, Ocho, you cut half the field off. So now they're flowing.
They know.

Speaker 23 First of all, down there, Ocho, you're not finna throw it all the way back pylon. You rolling to your right.
You've got to release that ball.

Speaker 23 You don't have to take a full roll because the further you roll, the field gets condensed more and more condensed.

Speaker 23 That's why the guy at the front side was able to fall off because you brought the bright side tight into him. You got to throw that ball earlier.
Yeah, right. You're going to run out of real estate.

Speaker 24 He didn't even have to throw the ball at all.

Speaker 23 Oh, you wanted to go ahead and run it in, huh?

Speaker 24 Nothing but green grass in front of him. Nothing but green grass in front of him.

Speaker 24 Obviously, his eyes were locked in on on on the receiver and on in the back of the end zone um outside of that it this isn't this isn't this wasn't panther football tonight this is not this is not the this is not the carolina panthers that we've we've been watching that have won the last five of their last five of this last seven games they they they they lost one tonight but um it wasn't good the defense did what they needed to do offense Offense left a lot of points, a lot of plays out there on the field.

Speaker 23 Yeah,

Speaker 23 I thought Carolina got away from the running game a little bit too early. Uh, they didn't have the ball a whole lot.
Uh, what looked like they had the ball 42 total plays.

Speaker 23 That's not a whole lot, but when you look at it, oh Joe, I think the thing is, is that let's let's let's talk to 40 dots first, yeah,

Speaker 23 Jennings. When you run, when you run that over route,

Speaker 23 if you gain ground, you're gonna allow that cornerback to jet it or undercut you. And that's what he did: the dig route, the dig route, yes.

Speaker 23 Ocho, you can't, you can't run that. No, If you run that route like that, if you gain ground, he's going to jump right up under you.

Speaker 24 Especially somebody like JC Horn. JC Horn.
Someone that is as sound as him. He has good eyes, good discipline, and he's going to play.

Speaker 24 He's going to stay on your inside hip every time.

Speaker 24 Not only did he ride, he rounded by damn near four or five years.

Speaker 23 I'm like.

Speaker 23 You got to keep because once I got him there, Ocho, I got to keep him on my hip.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 23 Because if I let him up underneath on that square, square in. That's what what it's called.

Speaker 23 It's a square in square out, square in. So on that square end, Ocho, I got to keep him on my hip because if I give him, if I give him any leeway,

Speaker 23 he's going to undercut it or he might grab me and slingshot himself, grab me by my waist, pull himself forward, and now he's right there up underneath the throw.

Speaker 24 And you know what? Another thing that a lot of receivers need to get out of doing too, Uncle? When they get to them top of them routes, they doing all that wiggle.

Speaker 24 They do that wiggle instead of just getting up to your point and just snapping that thing off.

Speaker 24 When you play against a good corner, I'm talking about the good ones, and when you do that wiggle, all they do is they stop their feet.

Speaker 24 So, if they stopping their feet and you sitting there wiggling, he's gonna drive on it.

Speaker 23 Let me ask you a question, though, Joe.

Speaker 24 You can't do that with the good DBs.

Speaker 23 Let me ask you a question: You run a go ball like that? No, you get to the you get it 10 yards, and now you all of a sudden you're doing this on the go ball.

Speaker 23 No, everything got it's gotta look, it's gotta look the same

Speaker 24 every time.

Speaker 24 Everything got to be, even if you don't run full speed, give the illusion give the illusion that you are running full speed get the way you got to and snap that thing of all them tricks and all that it works on your average corners but when you go against the best the better dbs the jc horns you know the pass obtained the denzel awards you're not pulling that off no hell yeah

Speaker 23 they don't get that yeah any indication you give them they stopping their feet and you're driving yes because that's the indicator you get i mean you know you you're taught to give an indicator to your quarterback but you're also giving an indicator to your uh to the db also yeah McMillan, there's a reason why we say you to keep your arms tight.

Speaker 23 You see how he got his arms out? What did that DB do, Ocho? Put tugging

Speaker 23 where he would have been. He hit 27 right in the chest.
That's why they tell you to keep your arms tight because they grabbing anything, Ocho.

Speaker 24 Yeah, always.

Speaker 23 Always. They're going to grab.

Speaker 24 And they're not going to call every goddamn time.

Speaker 23 They're not going to call it. They're not going to call it.
But this was a really sloppy game. I was surprised how sloppy the game was.

Speaker 23 Purdy did not look good tonight.

Speaker 23 23 of 32, 193, one touchdown, three interceptions.

Speaker 23 That was just awful. That was just awful.
His defense bailed him out because they got the turnover and then

Speaker 23 Bryce Young comes right back and gives it right back to him. They got, look,

Speaker 23 Carolina really has very small margin for error because they're such a young team and they're not, they don't, they don't have

Speaker 23 top five talent at any position on the offensive side of the football. Okay.
So with that being said, you can't do what they did tonight. You can't turn that ball over like that on the road.

Speaker 23 No, excuse me. You can't.

Speaker 24 You can't, especially now with the way the defense is playing. You can't keep putting the defense out there on the field, putting them in harm's way.

Speaker 24 Obviously, when they're getting stops, you're getting the ball. You had turn them.

Speaker 24 They got three points off of three turnovers. They got three points off of three turnovers.

Speaker 24 You got to get more than that because they give you the ball back and give you the opportunity to not put the game away, but at least extend the lead enough to have a chance on the the back end.

Speaker 23 And

Speaker 23 they give you short fields. Very short, yeah.
You got to get something.

Speaker 23 You got to get something more than, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, OJo, you're only going to get three out of each one. Okay, that's nine points.

Speaker 23 But you got to come away with three turnovers. You got to come away with more than three points.
Something.

Speaker 23 You got to. It'll be nice if you cash one of those guys in for a tud, but three points.
And like I said, I just didn't, I thought they ran, I didn't think they ran the ball enough.

Speaker 23 I mean, you got Daddo back there. You got Chuba Hubbard.
Run the football.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 23 And I know you're probably thinking about, well, you know, they don't have those pass rushers. They don't have Bosa.

Speaker 23 You know, Warner's not in there. There's some things that we can take advantage of.
They don't have the most outstanding corners.

Speaker 23 Run the football. Yeah.
Run the football.

Speaker 23 That is your friend when you're on the road.

Speaker 23 You need to run the football. But the 49ers, look, the 49ers keep their, they got to stay attached to the Rams and the Seahawks.
8-4 right now, so that's when they leap.

Speaker 23 They leap over Detroit for the seventh seed. Now, Detroit falls back to the eighth seed.

Speaker 23 But they haven't had their buy yet. I think Detroit's had their buy.
Haven't Detroit had their by?

Speaker 23 Because Detroit's seven and four.

Speaker 23 Yeah, Detroit's seven and four.

Speaker 23 So that means they had a bye already. Because the 49ers haven't had their that's why they're 12.

Speaker 23 Yeah, Detroit had theirs week eight.

Speaker 23 Yeah, uh

Speaker 23 the Niners and Hunters are weak 14

Speaker 23 They're like we might as well go ahead and run this thing all the way through But yeah,

Speaker 23 it was a sloppy game on you. I expected the 49ers to play a lot would be a lot crisper than what they were

Speaker 23 Hell, I thought Bryce Young considering what he had came what he had done I mean what that 4-4 who was that against the Falcons yeah

Speaker 24 they were that they were down 14 and came back yeah

Speaker 23 so he had he had started to play really well i really like mcmillan's game mcmillan is really good he can really really play ocho and he's only going to get better he's doing this in his rookie season so i can just imagine in two or three years what he's going to be like yeah hell he might who knows he might even take a leap like uh uh jsn did yeah now i'm not saying look that that's

Speaker 23 I'm not saying that's going to happen, but he's on pace to have over 2,000 yards on 125 catches. So

Speaker 23 he's doing, he's, and he's in that zone right now. I just want to, once you, because Ocho, you know, when you got a special season going, yeah.
Everything just seems to go your way.

Speaker 23 You catch every deep ball, you carry them,

Speaker 23 you catch him. Everything just

Speaker 23 is just Zen. It's just perfect.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 What out?

Speaker 23 Trimon Marie punched him in the knots.

Speaker 23 Oh,

Speaker 23 McCaffrey? Jennings. Oh.
Oh, that's why they were fighting, huh? At the end of the game. Oh, okay.

Speaker 23 Oh, oh, man.

Speaker 23 What happened? Oh, Jennings. That's why they were fighting at the end of the game, but DB punched him in the

Speaker 23 foul pole.

Speaker 24 Oh, I missed that. I missed that.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 That's why, at the end of the game?

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 24 I was setting it up.

Speaker 23 Oh,

Speaker 23 that's going to cost him a fine. I mean, that's going to probably cost him like 25,000, 50,000.

Speaker 24 Well, hold on, what kind of fight? We talk about a little shoving man.

Speaker 23 Well, Jennings was blocking him, and he, bow.

Speaker 23 Okay. So at the end of the game, they got into a little tussle.
But, you know, they got cameras. So they see all that.

Speaker 23 The refs might have not caught it, but them 22 cameras they got. Yeah, they caught it.

Speaker 24 They're going to see it.

Speaker 23 They're going to see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So don't even, don't even, hey, save your time. Don't it? Hey, that Tuesday that you was going to call in to appeal that.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 24 Go golfing. Don't even waste your time.

Speaker 23 Yeah, yeah, golfing because it ain't going to help. But yeah, this was a game I thought would be a little better.

Speaker 23 It wasn't clean. I mean, what you you get,

Speaker 23 five total turnovers.

Speaker 23 Sloppy game. Sloppy game.
But the 49ers win. Moved to 8-4.
Carolina, 6-6.

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