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Ocho, back to things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There was a situation on the sideline,

Ocho,

that it seemed like,

And this is why I was always conscious, Ocho, of being on the sideline and getting it animated.

Because how is that going to be perceived by the people in the stands or the people that's watching at home when the cameras pick it up? Because the cameras don't pick it up.

When you start doing this right here, Ocho, and you start doing that, you already know the camera. Yeah, absolutely.
Hey, Unc, it's 375 cameras out there now.

Absolutely.

Wait, hold on.

I didn't see that situation, Uncle. I must have missed that.

Yeah,

I think it was the start of the fourth quarter, Ocho.

and i i don't know but uh uh uh

it was the start of the fourth quarter who was it see i was see i was i was at whose cigar bar

and

it was judy and and uh shadure and at first shadour was sitting down and then shadour stood up

so i i don't like i said i was just always cautious knowing

i couldn't you couldn't hide it because there's a fans that's going to be able to see it uh uh especially on your side and then the camera's going going to pick it up as you start to get animated.

You start doing stuff like that. Okay, okay.
I understand.

That's the quarterback and receiver talk now. You know how that goes.
And sometimes it gets animated like that. And we've seen that.
Well, you know how people will take it.

They act like they've never seen that a day in their life, you know, with a quarterback and a receiver, you know, being animated, especially in game. But I know exactly what you're talking about.

I didn't even see it. And I can already pitch it in my head.
Miscommunication,

somebody runs something wrong, or a ball

that happens all the time. But okay, I got you.
I got you. Yeah.
Shador Sanders was asked to keep trying to trick you, Mocho, on something about Kevin Stefansky.

Let's take a listen to what you're talking about. He tried to trip him up, huh?

I got those 14 ones. Those two fortune ones that didn't work.
And did you like Kevin having the aggressiveness there even backed up in your territory?

I mean, first, that's a rude question to ask.

If I think, you know, it was a great call by my coach, you know. Do you like the aggression? Not that you like the call, but do you like the call? I like being out there playing.

So whatever that comes with, it comes with, you know, like, you know, we're not going to be here and ever point figure out no coach or do anything like that.

You know, that's extremely disrespectful, and that's not even in my place.

So I'm thankful for being out there, honestly, and I'm thankful that he trusts us as an offense to be able to go out there and be able to execute. Did we execute? No, we didn't.

But, you know, I'm just thankful that we have that trust.

Hey, I mean, listen, I understand it.

And you you know what honestly it's up to shadour the reporters are going to ask whatever they can ask and see what they can get out of him it's his job to be able to answer those questions correctly and be politically correct obviously take a forest coach and not throw his coach under the bus and correct that that that's pretty much it so he's he's he's well versed in that area And he's really polished, especially when it comes to talking to the media.

He might not answer the questions like a Tom Brady, you know, or Drew Brees or Peyton Manning, but he answers them his way in a way that we all understand, and it's the correct way.

He answers the question.

He answers the questions

just like you expect a quarterback would.

They're very PC, very bland.

Now, what he did do is something that probably other quarterbacks wouldn't do, is that he says, I don't appreciate you trying, you know, that's rude.

Other quarterbacks would have probably said, look, the coach, we run the plays that the coaches call.

Whatever's sent in, it's my job. It's our job to make it work, to execute whatever's called.
It didn't work. I got no problem.
Like you said, he got no problem with what the coach called.

And that's how he should answer the call. You have to understand he's been a quarterback his whole life.
His dad has been an NFL player. His dad has drilled in him, drilled in him, drilled in him.

You always take the high road. You never throw anybody under the bus, be it player or coach.
So he understands that because he's been groomed to play this position.

And a part of being groomed to play this position is know how to speak before and after the games.

That is one of the most important. Now, nothing tops playing on the field, obviously we know that.
But what you say, how you say it after and before is very, very important. And he's mastered that.

He's mastered that part of saying the right thing, the tone in which he says it.

you know he he like hey that that you know i want to be out there yeah obviously so i don't have a problem with what he said um

he just they just have to get better they do they just have to get better it is it is it's hard right because we are all expecting

him to come in and just do something phenomenal And there's so much little for the fans to get to work with. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.

It's just the way the team is built in general.

There's only so much you can do with what you have in that room, especially offensively. And it's just like, it's hard.

It's hard. I don't know if

there are maybe one or two, maybe three quarterbacks in the NFL that you can take off their team right now and put them on the Browns, and they can look any better than what they do right now.

based on what you have at your disposal as far as weapons is concerned. It's very, very difficult.

I

it's gonna take time, it's gonna take time because it's gonna take pieces, gonna take it's gonna take hella drafting, really good drafting, yeah, really good drafting, and key off-season acquisitions before we see any type of change.

You got to get some playmakers, you got to get playmakers outside of him, and that's what you have. You look at the quarterbacks that that consistently, you know, look at Dak.
What does Dak have?

Oh, look at Jalen Hurts, look what he got, look at look at the, I mean, you, you got to go get, you got to go get players that can make play Can I can I say something real quick?

Can you can you imagine if you had two number ones over there in Cleveland? Can you imagine, you know

I got a great one for yojo

How does Bryce Young look this year? What what I oh what I

The man got bitched last year they go get him some

let me sit down.

Let me sit down. Buck it out man what i ain't gonna say that i'm gonna wait till we i'm gonna wait till we get to the panther but go ahead chat what do y'all want us to say

i said it is a bad look when a player and a quarterback or any two players get on and it becomes animated what do you want us to say we don't know what was said nobody said anything that sure during didn't mention it did judy say what was said did judy say did we know what judy said So what do y'all want us to do?

I've said it's a bad look when two teammates on the sideline because the fans see it and the quarterback is going to see it when two players start to get animated.

Even if I'm doing this and I don't say nothing, y'all going to say, oh, uh-uh, uh-uh, got upset with Ocho last night because of the animation. I don't know what you want us to say.

We don't dodge topics. We don't dodge heavy conversation.
But what do you want Ocho and I to say when we don't know what was being said? We don't know what caused the

animation. So what do you want us to say? Just to go out there on the limb and just arbitrary when we don't know what was said or what was being discussed? Can somebody send me the clip on Twitter?

Somebody, anybody got it? Send me the clip so I can get a better, better understanding on what y'all are talking about. I'm going to give it to you in simple terms.

My grandfather said, boy, you don't have enough information to have an opinion. Yeah.

We don't have enough information to have an opinion.

So y'all just want me and Ocho just to blow Judy up when we don't know what we're saying you want us to blow shadur up because he stood up i don't know what you want from us

ash just sent it to you oh

so i i i don't i don't know i don't know what y'all want me to what y'all want me to say because y'all know i don't really have a problem talking about anything y'all say i talk too much about everything So now

I just basically said it's a bad look when a player becomes animated on the sideline because the crowd thinks it's gonna it's a confrontation the cameras pick it up and then the outside people at home just watching thinks it's a confrontation i said it's a bad look outside of that i can't offer any more because i don't know what was said

oh okay i i i saw it now i saw it now they look at a uncle you heard me

They looking at the tablet. They're looking at the tablet, looking at something that something that happened in the previous series and the previous down, and there's a disagreement on what they see

based on whatever play it is they're looking at on the tablet. That's all.

Yeah, that's all. That's normal.
That's normal, Chad. I mean, for those,

I just saw it, but that's normal. That's normal.
But I'm saying, people, because they got so animated, people are going to look at it. Oh, do you see two people starting?

I don't know what they're saying now. But if I see two people getting animated at the shopping, I'm like, okay, what's happening? Somebody's upset about something.

something i don't know so maybe uh uh judy or or or shadour can offer more insight tomorrow because i'm sure i'm surprised no one asked shadour about it or did it i don't know if anybody or there's any reports of somebody asking uh judy about it so i don't know yeah i mean that's to me that's really not even a story i mean if you've been around a game long enough you see it all the time especially with quarterbacks and receivers where there's small disagreements you know um when something doesn't go right or a quarterback misses a throw or a receiver drops the ball, you come to the sideline and sometimes you get animated.

I mean, especially based on what I'm seeing right here. They looking at the tablet, Judy's saying something, and Shador stands up and says another thing.
No, that's not what I saw.

That's not what you see. I mean, so it's so indifferent.
You know, the receiver sees it in one perspective and the quarterback sees it another way.

All I'm saying is this. I tried my absolute best to never get animated because on the outside, you don't know what I'm saying.
You don't know what Seven was saying.

So it's just best to whatever disagreement we're going to have, we have it behind closed doors. Because me getting animated or him getting animated, this is what's going to happen.
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Uh, Ocho, talk about how Judy didn't have no smoke for Dylan Gabriel or Flacco, but somehow want to be animated and vocal towards the door.

Ocho,

What happened, huh?

I don't know.

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Oh, Joe, it's Panthers. Talk to me now.
Hold out the upset of the day. The Rams enter the game with the NFC's best record, but drops.

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So right now it's the Bears, the Rams, the Eagles, the Bucs, Seahawks,

PAC,

and the 49ers. The Lions are currently out of the playoffs if the playoffs were to start today.

Matthew Stafford kind of looked like the Detroit Matthew Stafford, the turnover.

The turnover was what did him in. He threw a pick six.
He was late on the out route. What we say, chat, if you're late on the out route, it's a reservation.
Call ahead.

They're going to have your table set up for six.

He turned the ball over. He, by himself, had three turnovers.
That was the difference in the ball game. He was 18 of 28, 243, two touchdowns, two interceptions, a strip sack.
That was allowed.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I talk about my Panthers.

I had to take that roll out of my mouth real quick because I was stuttering a little bit. Hey, chat,

Bryce Young, the Carolina Panthers, that I said would be the dark horse in the team to watch this season will surprise everybody. Bryce Young today, he was 15 for 20.
Three TDs, 206 yards.

Hubbard, 17 carries for 93. Jalen Coker, way to make your presence felt today, boy.
Every week is somebody different.

He was full.

He was full. He had four for 74 with a TD.

Hey,

McMillan had one for 43 and a touchdown. Chuba Hubbard, two for 41 and a touchdown.

What I told you about them Panthers, huh? Everybody laughed at me in August.

I remember the date, August 25th, if I'm not mistaken. August 25th.

I told y'all I understood what the Panthers were doing when I saw what they did in the draft, what I saw what they did in the offseason, and understanding how Bryce Young played going towards the end of the season.

I already knew knew coming next year, that momentum, that confidence that Bryce had after he got benched, it was going to carry over into the following year, including with the weapons.

They going to be the goddamn team to watch and the team to beat. I enjoy it.
And I'm going to say it again, like I said way back then.

Y'all boys keep pounding.

Keep on pounding. I'm not even, I'm not even going to pay for it.

You remember the game that he out.

Who did he play? Was it the Falcons? that he went to the falcons he threw for

454 yards y'all keep saying it's one game but right now he's uh they're seven and six wait who said it was one game they won the same number of games they won the same number of games as the detroit lions they won one more game than the cowboys and they beat the cowboys so what what what are we saying somebody in the chat talking slick talk about one game or just yeah they talk about bryce young hair

man y'all y'all better do your homework do your homework now come on man what you talking about man?

I told. They did it.
Look, Brian Forbes Jr.

For the Rams,

you owe your team, bro.

Emmanuel? You owe your team. Emmanuel Forbes?

Brian Ford. I think Forbes Jr.
for the

Rams. The DB.

E. Forbes.
Yeah, that's Emmanuel. Emmanuel Forbes.

He owe Ocho.

He owe

fourth down. Touchdown.
Fourth down. Touchdown.
You can't give up a touchdown on fourth down.

You can't.

I mean, I thought it was rerun trust in that truck on what's happening now. But the chat ain't going to know that reference.

They don't know what to do.

Ain't nobody old enough.

Ain't nobody in the chat old enough to know about what's happening.

Yeah, but no, no, Carolina's playing real well. They got a chance to win that division.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Not only they. Because

they have the same number of wins as Tampa.

And they get Tampa again.

So

they could easily win that division. And

I think people are overlooking the Panthers this year.

They're winning games. Man, what the hell?

Go ahead, Elgato.

Can you still hear me, though?

I hear you.

I don't know why people are overlicking the Panthers. Maybe because they've been bad in the past.
So they're not giving them the respect, their due respect, because of who they are.

But when you break it down in perspective on the number of wins they've had and

where they same records as the Cowboys,

they just don't have the hype behind them. They don't have the hype train behind them.
So the only people that are talking about them are those that are actually Carolina Panther fans.

But at the end of the day,

when you bring everything to light as a whole,

they're just as good with a chance to win their goddamn division.

They must be on there, but they got to be on there coming on their bye week this week. They got 13 games already played, so they got to be on coming on the bye week with the 49ers or something.

How the hell are they going to be on the bye week in the season almost over?

Oh, Joe, they seven to six. Everybody else nine and three, ten and two.
God damn.

Honestly. They're on their bye week with the 49ers.
The 49ers bye week up this week, too. Hey, honestly, if I done played this many games,

I wouldn't even want no bye week this damn late in the season, honestly.

Me personally. Uh-uh.

What you want?

Huh?

What you want? No, I say I wouldn't want no bye week this late. You want to keep playing? Yeah, yeah.

I want my week off. Now we playing too well to take a week off.
Forget that. The bye week, they should have had their bye week week six week seven

that's a lot of games to play throughout i mean just think if you had like you said if you had your bye week week three week four week five and now you got to no i i i said i said no you know what ocho get that get refreshed get your mind recharged hey you got a week off get out of here hey if you need a get your get your day of treatment then get out of here go somewhere nice and warm take the missus somewhere take mama somewhere hey

ask your in-laws or your mom them parents. Can they watch the kids? You and old lady dip.

Dang what I did, but I'm saying that's what y'all should do.

We wasn't getting no week off, though, man. We got Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Had to be back Monday.

Yep. Same, same.
Yeah.

We didn't get no time off like that. But no, Carolina's playing good.
They ran the ball 40 times for 164 yards. Chuba Hubbard was running extremely hard today.
Rico Dotto, 18 for 58.

Didn't have a big-time day. But

when the Rams tried to get the ball back, they're like, nah, we ain't going to get it back to you.

Stop us if you can. And they couldn't.

But like you said, Ocho, the team that you said, the Chicago Bears, they're the number one seed. And the Carolina Panthers have an absolute chance to win their division and make the playoffs.

Bills beat the Pittsburgh Steelers by the score of 26-7. Aaron Rodgers, playing with a cast to protect the fraction left wrist, completed just 10 of 21 attempts, 117 yards.
His third

upset of the day, the Rams entered the game with the NFC's best record, but drops. Now, the team that has the NFC's best record, the Chicago Bears, who hold the tiebreaker in the conference.

The Rams are still

a game up on the 8-4 Eagles and also hold the head-to-head tiebreaker.

So, right now, it's the Bears, the Rams, Rams, the Eagles, the Bucs,

Seahawks,

Pac,

and the 49ers. The Lions are currently out of the playoffs if the playoffs were to start today.

Matthew Stafford kind of looked like the Detroit Matthew Stafford, the turnover.

The turnover was what did him in. He threw a pick six.
He was late on the out route. What we say, chat, if you're late on the out route, it's a reservation.
Call ahead.

they're gonna have your table set up for six

he turned the ball over he by himself had three turnovers that was the difference in the ball game he was 18 of 28 243 two touchdowns two interceptions a strip sack that was allowed whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa i talk about my panthers I did,

I had to take that. I had to take that roll out of my mouth real quick because I was stuttering a little bit.
Hey, Chad,

Bryce Young, the Carolina Panthers, Panthers, that I said would be the dark horse in the team to watch this season will surprise everybody. Bryce Young today, he was 15 for 20.
Three TDs, 206 yards.

Hubbard, 17 carries for 93. Jalen Coker, way to make your presence felt today, boy.
Every week is somebody different. He was full.

He was full. He had four for 74 with a TD.

A

McMillan had one for 43 of a touchdown. Chuba Hubbard, two for 41 on a touchdown.

What I told you about them Panthers, huh? Everybody laughed at me in August. I remember the date, August 25th, if I'm not mistaken.

August 25th, I told y'all I understood what the Panthers were doing when I saw what they did in the draft, what I saw what they did in the offseason, and understanding how Bryce Young played going towards the end of the season.

I already knew. Coming next year, that momentum, that confidence that Bryce had after he got benched, it was going to carry over into the following year, including with the weapons.

They're going to be the goddamn team to watch and the team to beat. I enjoy it.
And I'm going to say it again, like I said way back then.

Y'all boys keep pounding.

Keep on pounding. I'm not even.
I'm not even. I'm not even.

You remember the game that he out?

Who did he play? Was it the Falcons? That he went to the Falcons. He threw for

454 yards. Y'all keep saying it's one game, but right now he's uh, they're seven and six.
Who said it was one game?

They won the same number of games, they won the same number of games as the Detroit Lions, they won one more game than the Cowboys, and they beat the Cowboys. So, what are you doing?

You say somebody in the chat talking slick talk about one game, or just yeah, they talk about Bryce Young.

Y'all better do your homework, do your homework now.

Come on, man, what you talking about, man?

I told they did it. Look, Brian

Forbes Jr.

For the Rams,

you owe your team, bro.

Emmanuel? You owe your team. Emmanuel Forbes?

Brian Ford. I think Forbes Jr.
for the

Rams. The DB.

E. Forbes.
Yeah, that's Emmanuel. Emmanuel Forbes.

He owe Ocho.

He owe.

Fourth down. Touchdown.
Fourth down. Touchdown.
You can't give up a touchdown on fourth down.

You can't.

I mean, I thought it was rerun chest in that truck on what's happening now, but the chat ain't gonna know that that reference.

Bit of no reason

in the chat old enough to know about what's happening.

Yeah, but no, no, the Carolina's played real well. They got a chance to win that division.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Not only because they got the same, they have the same number of wins as Tampa.

So, and they get Tampa Gen.

So,

they could easily win that division.

And

I think people are overlooking the Panthers this year.

They're winning games. Man, what the hell?

Go ahead, Elgato.

Can you still hear me, though?

I hear you.

I don't know why people are overlooking the Panthers. Maybe because they've been bad in the past.
So they're not giving them the respect, their due respect, because of who they are.

But when you break it down in perspective on the number of wins they've had and

where they same records as the Cowboys,

they just don't have the hype behind them. They don't have the hype train behind them.
So the only people that are talking about them are those that are actually Carolina Panther fans.

But at the end of the day.

When you bring everything to light as a whole, they're just as good with a chance to win their goddamn division.

They must be they on there, they got to be on there coming on their bye week this week.

They got they got 13 games already played, so they got to be on coming on the bye week with the 49ers or something. How the hell are they going to be on the bye week in the season almost over?

Oh, Joe, they seven to six, everybody else nine and three, ten and two. God damn.

Honestly, they're on their bye week with the 49ers. The 49ers bye week this week, too.

Honestly, if I done played this many games,

I wouldn't even want no bye week this damn late in the season, honestly.

Me personally. Uh-uh.

What you want?

Huh?

What you want? No, I say I wouldn't want no bye week this late. You want to keep playing? Yeah, yeah.

I want my week off. Now, we playing too well to take a week off.
Forget that. The bye week, they should have had their bye week week six, week seven.

That's a lot of games to play throughout. I mean, just like if you had, like you said, if you had your bi week, week three, week four, week five, and now you got to.

No, I say, I know, you know what, Ocho, get that, get refreshed, get your mind recharged. Hey, you got a week off.
Get out of here.

Hey, if you need, hey, get your get your day of treatment, then get out of here, go somewhere nice and warm, take the missus somewhere, take mama somewhere. Hey,

ask your in-laws or your mom, them parents. Can they watch the kids? You and old lady dip.

that ain't what I did, but I'm saying that's what y'all should do.

We wasn't getting no week off, though, man. We got Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Had to be back Monday.

Yeah, same, same. Yeah, we didn't get no time off like that.
But no, Carolina's playing good. They ran the ball 40 times for 164 yards.
Chuba Hubbard was running extremely hard today.

Rico Dotto, 18 for 58, didn't have a big time day. But

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Stop us if you can. And they couldn't.

But like you said, Ocho, the team that you said, the Chicago Bears, they're the number one seed. And the Carolina Panthers have an absolute chance to win their division and make the playoffs.

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Aaron Rodgers, playing with a cast to protect the fractured left wrist, completed just 10 of 21 attempts, 117 yards, his third lowest total of any game where he's through. thrown at least 20 passes.

His 10 completions were also the fewest in any game with 20 pass attempts. He also was strip sacked, bust his nose.
Aaron Rodgers turned 42 on Tuesday.

Man, Joey Bosa, I thought Joey Bosa saw him in half. I thought they liked the magician.
You know how they saw the assistant.

He got him good, huh? He got him real. Hey, that blind side is that blind side is dead.
That hurts. There's a reason those deep, there's a reason the left tackles make so much goddamn money.

I know you're protecting that blind side, but

I know Debo gonna be mad again.

I know Debo gonna be mad again.

He's gonna be hot because why? I i mean the defense again

the defense again you had the you had the highest paid defensive squad in the nfl and you ain't playing like it you're not

and they got ran through they got ran through like foreign water through a tourist like nothing 250.

Look, somebody can throw for 500. You know, hey, I can run a couple of trick plays.

I can do a stealth goal. I can do all this.
But when somebody line up and they run the ball 51 times for 250 yards,

they just like they just walked up to you and hit you in your face. Basically, it said, What you basically, that's what it is.
That's what running the ball is

moving a man against his will. No tricks, no gimmicks, straight downhill.
A gap, B gap, C gap, toss.

That's it. Hey.

Aaron Rodgers said, man, you know what?

I'm done. I don't see a scenario where he come back this year, Ocho.
He's taking a beating, Ocho.

And the thing is, is that it's cold in Pittsburgh, Ocho. It's cold in Baltimore.
It's cold in Cincinnati. It's cold in Cleveland.

So, you know, as you get older, Ocho, if you go back and look at Aaron Rodgers, he played his best games late last year in Detroit. I mean, in the Jets, where were they playing? Miami?

Where were they playing? Where were they?

Warm weather.

But you know what? I mean,

he's been in the cold so long dying in Green Bay. I know even though he was younger, he should still be okay and be able to muster up

whatever it is he needs to muster up to still be able to perform at a high level. I mean, even an old Aaron Rodgers is still.
Now,

I think people,

let's not be mistaken. Even an old Aaron Rodgers is better than half the goddamn league at the quarterback position.

But an old Aaron Rodgers can't elevate a team and make him

a contending team.

And that's the thing. And so when old people, they got money and they live up north, where they do, Ocho, they go to Florida.
They go to Arizona. They go to be in that cold weather.

They go to be in that warm weather because it's good. It's lubricating them bones.

Did you just try to

throw something? You trying to insinuate Aaron Rodgers coming to the Dolphins?

No, I'm trying to say he's 40. He's about 40.
My bad, my bad. I thought you were just saying, okay.
You remember how how when you were in your 30s, as we started to age, those licks hurt.

Imagine, think about it, Ocho, when you retired at 34. Now imagine I'm going to put eight more years on it and you taking those licks.

Those licks hurt when you was in your 30s. Imagine what they feel like.
I promise you, a 40-year-old body was not meant to take those kinds of things.

I don't even know if the body was meant to play football.

There wasn't nobody football. But when God made the body, he's like, you know what? I make this kind of to withstand this kind of punishment.

You know what's funny is you say withstand that kind of punishment. Like, I,

you know, all them years I play,

I might have got hit clean maybe two, three times. That's it.

And it hurt. Yeah, them two, three.

And you was in your 20s and 30s. So imagine you taking those same shots in your 40.
Yeah, I see what you mean. I see what you mean.
Hey, hey, listen, I was so good at making business decisions.

and being able to get down when necessary i didn't take any punishment i didn't take any punishment like you really had, you really had to catch me. I'm talking about clean.

And it only, it only happened, it only happened two, maybe two times. I'm talking about clean.
Like, well, god damn. It even questioned, do I really want to still play this game? Like clean like that?

Why am I doing this to myself?

Yep.

As you get older, Ocho, man, hey, when you young and you want to prove how to, I'm like, man, I started getting older. I'm like, I've been in NFL.
I'm tough. I don't prove it.
I'm tough.

I've been here for six years. I don't need to prove it no more.

If I want to stay another couple of years, hey, OJo, at the beginning of every year, I made sure, hey, get everything serviced. Make sure my blue,

winkle, winkle. Right on the bottom bounds.

Blinkle, winkle, blink. You was good, huh?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, man.

Look,

the Ravens are in first, but Ocho, I'm kind of nervous. Your bingos might be up, but I'm counting on Buffalo to go ahead and put them them in the bank.
I know.

Uncle You know how well we play against Buffalo. Come on, man.

Hey, chat.

Hey, chat, please explain to Unc how well we

play against the Bills. I'm telling you, Uncle That momentum is finna carry.
Did you see how our defense played against the Ravens?

I'm hoping, I'm hoping their Bengals, DJ Turner, Demetrius Knight, I need a repeat of what we did. against the Ravens in Buffalo.
We can do it. We've been bad all season.

Why we can't have two games back to back where we play well where it matters,

where it matters most. You're not.

You ain't.

I tell you what.

I'm going to tell you how the football guards work. I'm going to tell you how the football guards work.

We're going to, we probably, the chances are we're going to beat Buffalo. We're going to beat Buffalo.
And when the Ravens, you hear me? When the Ravens come down to Cincinnati next week, huh?

I'm going to that game. Huh? And I'm taking the number.
I'm taking, I don't know if Buddy in the goddamn chat. I'm taking Butter with me because I want him to witness.

I want him to be able to, I want him to see his team lose.

I told the Bengals organization, I say, I have somebody come with me. We need to roll a red carpet out for him.
Let them see what it's like to come into Paycor Stadium. Huh? Play like a Raven.

Y'all will have to pay for what y'all did on Thanksgiving.

Play like a Raven. You got to die like one.
Huh?

but oh Joe you gotta think about it it's just hard for me to believe the ravens will turn the ball over five times again it's just hard for me to believe something that tell you something if the raven didn't turn the ball over five times the bangles forced you to turn the ball over five times now y'all forced

now y'all oh yeah we for we forced forcing it

now

there's a good chance and in chat anybody anybody in the chat that's not going along with the program, that does not believe in Cincinnati, my boy's down there in the 513, let me know.

I'm taking all bets.

Steelers got a bad, look here. Steelers looking bad, don't you? They look bad.
They do. They look good.
Hey, I have a question, too. Now,

this would be out of my area of expertise. This would be way above my pay grade.

Okay.

But are the frustrations going to grow with Mike Tomlin coaching,

being that they're losing?

Or will it still be the same thing at the end of the season?

He's had 17, 18 consecutive willing seasons despite not going to the playoffs, despite not being able to contend for a Super Bowl.

Because that's not their standard.

Yeah, and the thing is, Ocho, I believe they're further away now than they've ever been. And this is what we know about the Steelers.

The Steelers have never, the Steelers hadn't fired a head coach since 1968.

So when Chuck Noel took the job, he turned it over to Bill Cower. Bill Cower turned over to Mike Tomlin.
Tomlin. So they've had three coaches in 57 years.

Normally, they allow the coaches to leave on their own.

But at what point in time, as Mike Tomlin likes to say, the standard is the standard. The standard ain't been met.
They haven't won a playoff game in almost a decade. Damn.

2016 was the last time they won a playoff game.

They beat Kansas City in Kansas City.

That was when what you call them went Facebook live after the game

AB.

So that's been, oh, Joe, that's a decade.

That's a decade.

You remember they had

the game, home game against, I think, Cleveland. Cleveland dumped them.

They had Kansas City, Kansas City dumped them.

No harm in losing to Kansas City, but

it's just, it's just, I just don't see it getting better anytime soon. Aaron was asked after the game about getting on the same page as a wide receiver.
Here's what Aaron had to say after the game.

When there's film sessions,

everybody shows up.

And when I check to a route,

you do the right route. You know?

Like,

John and I just weren't on the same page i checked to his inbreaker and he ran out breaker um

you know i'm john is a true professional so i'm sure he's you know he's sick sick about that

i know i know i know which play you're talking about too

i know exactly which play he's talking about but hey he's also insinuating that john didn't come to the goddamn film session

Because there was no need to mention that. So he's letting John know.

Because

I'm tired of y'all keep saying,

we're going to get on the same route. We could get on the same page.
If guys bring their ass to film session, if guys, if when I check to a route, run the route that I check to. Yeah.

But see,

when did,

like I said, chat, I get it. I'm just, it's an old time.

When did it become okay, Ocho, the quarterback called film session and you don't show up?

It's not voluntary. If the quarterback, if john said we got a meeting it's mandatory

it is the same it is the same as if mike called a meeting

i i i'm just confused one i i i just don't i can't i can't maybe maybe yeah i can't even see a scenario especially in that building you know based on

it being the steelers and the way they conduct can conduct themselves in general I don't see how anyone could even miss a film session.

I don't see you. I'm talking about offensively.
You know, in order for things to work,

you know, and be able to execute on Sundays, you got to watch film.

So, you know, as Aaron Rodgers, being the quarterback of the team, you need everybody that's a part of that offense in those film sessions.

Right. Like, that's important.
Like, stuff like that, stuff like that, that excites me. I like watching film.

I definitely want you to know. I love that.

Because if I'm in there, I want to know what he's thinking. Because I want to be where he needs me to be to catch the ball.

So it's just hard for me to see a scenario. I would have never, I guarantee.
Look, like I said,

I played with Seven for a decade?

Nine years, nine, because I got there in 90 and he retired at the 90th scene. So I played with him for nine years.

There's not a meeting he could have called

that was in football

that I would show up for. Man, listen, they tell me about anything about film,

I might be the first one there.

Because the only reason

I like film study, I like going to watch film, it's because I want to be able to play fast.

The more I know and recognize what I'm seeing, and I know where everybody's going to be at the snap of the ball, the faster I'm able to play.

I know what everybody's job, I know what everybody's job is. I know exactly where you're going to end up.
I know what my danger is. I know what my danger spots are.

I need that. I just want to say that.
So not only that,

part of me being able to talk trash,

part of my confidence doesn't come from my skill set or my feet or me being able to earn routes. It's about knowing your fucking responsibilities on the other side of the ball.

So I know where you're weak at.

I'm a firm believer.

I totally agree. I totally agree.
It doesn't matter what they call or how they call it. What does the quarterback see?

When is the quarterback ready to release the ball because i need to be coming open when he's ready to release the ball not before and not after

because he ain't waiting because guess what them defensive ends them details they not wait they come they not waiting

i i just i i don't know i don't know if aaron's calling or meeting it just shows me a lack of respect yeah because the quarterback because the quarterback is basically Like when it comes to like the in that situation, he's the leader of that offense.

Now, I don't, like I said, I just couldn't see a scenario, me personally. I couldn't see a scenario where a quarterback call a meeting.
We got film session to go. You don't show up?

Nope.

And I think, I think, in nine years, I might have went to one or two. Maybe, maybe.
Even if it's not. Because normally we watch film together as an offensive unit.
But he might. We watch his unit.
And

I saw it right here. John's seat was right there.
Seven seats. He sat right there.
And I'm asking him, what are you thinking?

Oh.

And I would tell Coop. I would tell Coop.
I was like, Cool,

I don't know.

We might need to go to take that to 10, 12, to 14.

Or I say we might need to back that down to 18.

He would go tell Mike. Mike say, boss, he would say, I talked to boss.
He say, try it your way.

And we see how it time we can practice.

That's the kind of relationship that I needed to have. Hey,

you cool with this? John says, okay, that timed up pretty good. He said, but I think we can get away and practice at 10 to 12 because I know come game time, you're going to be sped up.

It's going to be 8 to 10. Don't run 8 to 10 in practice, because then you're going to be 6 to 8, and I ain't going to be ready to throw you the ball.

But we've already had that. So

I'm having a discussion as we're going through, as we do an install and we start looking at what they do on tape. He's like, okay.

He said, don't, don't, hey, flatten that off.

He's telling me he got the ball. Why would I not listen to him, Mojo? You're right.
You're right.

You're right. You know,

it's good when you have a relationship like that, you know, and there's a certain level of trust also when it came to watching film, which is why I would never miss something like that.

And to have your quarterback even say that,

it kind of bothers, it's not bothering me a little bit. It just doesn't sit well with me.

Because in order for me to be successful, I got to not only know what I'm doing, but know what the people across from me are doing as well.

And I want to make sure I'm available for my quarterback every single time. Trust on that football field is huge.
It's a huge thing. It's a huge thing.

Anytime a quarterback trusts you, he's going to pull the trigger for you every time.

Every time. You know what? I know I can counter him.
I know where we're going to be at. Sometimes he might,

one of my favorite things I love to do. Is you understand, we already talked about how AJ Brown always lines up in the same place and always runs the same routes, right?

Is my route tree, most of the time, obviously I was able to run all of them, right? But sometimes I would always be by myself, you know,

whether they cloud it. You like being the ex-receiver.
You like being the single receiver. I wasn't tripping.
I wasn't tripping. You got more space to offer.
So what I would always do, right?

If I know,

let's say if I run a dig, I run a dig. Let's say I run a dig

in the first quarter. And then they call that dig again.
So, you know, obviously I'm two yards, maybe four yards outside the numbers. The ball's on the left has.

So I know we're coming back to it again. We come back to it again.

I go on the top of the numbers. No one be running the same route.
And Carson won't say nothing. Marvin and Hume won't say nothing.
Cause they know all I'm going to do, I'm going to make sure

I wide off the release. I don't care if you line up at the tight end spot.

As long as you're 14 yards deep and be where you're supposed to be, which is two to three yards outside the numbers, I don't give a damn what you line up in the backfield, Locho.

And you know why they gave me that freedom?

Because I knew I was supposed to be at. And I studied film.
I knew everybody's responsibility on the other side of the ball. Right.

Um,

the Steelers had 90 yards of total offense through three quarters.

They ran the ball for only 58 yards against the Bills, a Bills team that's averaging, allowing 149 yards rushing per game, third worst in the league coming into Sunday.

And the Steelers got 58 against a team that normally gives up almost 150 a game.

Damn.

Mike Tomley got to put the hammer down, man. I mean, what else he wanted to do?

But he's like, Ocho,

if you think about it, think about what he said. He said people need to show up.
What was the issue with the receivers that was in Pittsburgh before this crop? What was the issue, Ocho?

Go back and look. Go back and look at what they've had, excluding Heinz Wart and Antoine Randolph.
Look at the receivers they had.

And it was something.

You either coach it or condone it. Now what you doing?

Amen.

You coach it or condone it.

You're right.

He got there.

Cam Hayward said Josh Allen needed him in the stomach during the game. And he's fed up with that quarterback gets protective while players like him don't.

Ocho, let's take a listen to what Cam had to say.

As a quarterback, they're protected, but I'm not.

Just pisses me off. You're saying we need you or someone else? That's exactly what I'm saying.

Did you cross the line throughout the game, or did you have to double in?

That was that one incident.

Was that on purpose for him? Yes. Even said after,

you know, I had to do something to get you off of it.

Kim, how do you put into words the frustration, the emotions that you feel individually and that this locker room feels at this point after their loss?

Individually,

you're just concerned about

this team.

Ocho, Cam say he's tired of it. He says he's tired of these damn quarterbacks getting protected, and ain't nobody protecting him.

He needs you that hard in the stomach where it hurt where you complain about it.

It's the fact that he needs it. It had to be hard.
Man, he got these big boys out here, 400 pounds complaining about the quarterback. Oh, he needs me in my stomach.
He needs me. Come on, Cam.

Get him back. You know how to get him back?

Sack him and drop all 300 pounds on his ass.

All dead weight.

There it is. There it is right there.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Oh, that's what we're doing.
That's how we finna play. Okay, I got something for you, playboy.
I got something for you, playboy.

Come up that A-gap. Swim, rip, whatever you need to do.
Get that sack and give him the people's elbow, too.

Give him the people's elbow with it. Come in that thing.
Man, I'm not coming to no meeting. Oh, he the quarterback need me in in my mouth.

Yeah, I ain't gonna tell that one now. Come on, man.

But you a stealer, boy.

Huh? You gotta have that mentality. Oh, I had to get it.
Oh, I'm gonna get my get back. You gotta get, you gotta get that get back on the field.
Crying to the media. Oh, for sure.
Absolutely.

Absolutely. See?

And it don't be, hey, bro. Hey, I'm trying to feed my family.
Me too.

But I guess yours won't be eating next week because I'm trying to put your ass out.

Oh,

shoot.

Man, I hate that when somebody does something to you, Ocho, and they talk about, man, I'm just, hey,

I'm trying to do whatever you're trying to do. Now, what we're trying to do.
Listen,

I'm not even saying nothing. I'm not even saying nothing.
You know, because it's my job. If somebody do something to me on the field, it's my job.

I got four quarters to be able to get them back or at least make it even. That's it.
I'm not running to no media talking about, oh, he did.

What?

Oh, they protect, man.

Let's play ball, man. You know what to do.
Get him back.

If somebody hits you

back in the day, you don't go run to the teacher and tell him, come on now.

This is still football. That's, oh, that's how we playing.
Okay, Bet, I got you. I got something for you.
Man, sack him.

And when you lay on him, that whole three, three, how much you think? I'm going to can't weigh.

You were about 280. That's it.
285. Yeah.

Put that whole 285 on him and give him a little extra.

And give him a little extra at the end.

And when you get up off the ground,

yeah.

Hip yourself up off the ground off using his age.

Man, boy. Hey, lucky I ain't play defense.
I would have had all kinds of tricks.

Hey, hey, hey, Cam, you might have to go and dominate and sue on him.

Hold on, no, no, no, don't go that far. Come on.

Yeah.

You don't care nothing about me. I give less than a damn about you.
That's how I look

for an eye.

Yep. Well, I leave everybody blind.
Well, good. You bumping in the walls.
I'm bumping in the walls. Everybody the same.

Hey, and you're not finna do, you're not finna treat me some kind of way. No figure can get your ass back on that field.
You hurt me.

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