Best of NFL News Part 1: Shedeur Sander's ISSUE with Jerry Jeudy, & AB HOF SNUB?!

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Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, I bet Hard Knocks wishing they were following the Cleveland Browns around this year. Now it's Dylan Gabriel's significant other jumping into the drama.
Whoa, what happened?

Speaker 5 TikTok saying, my fiancé Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but I'm not going to share it.
She then captioned another with Brown's loss. What's new?

Speaker 5 But then, this is, he got into a disagreement with a commenter on a post and wrote, actually,

Speaker 5 everyone in the building wants him to play, but you wouldn't know because you're never been into the NFL or coach, right?

Speaker 14 Well,

Speaker 14 you know, I mean, listen, we see this all the time. We see

Speaker 14 family members display their frustrations, whatever they may be, really not understanding how the game works, you know, the ins and outs of it. And, you know, she wants her fiancé to be on the field.

Speaker 14 You know, he's not on the field. Shadur has been chosen to be the quarterback.

Speaker 5 How she knows everybody in the building wants him to play?

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 they've been on the news for how long?

Speaker 5 I'm asking you.

Speaker 5 How does she know that? Unless somebody pillow talking.

Speaker 5 Oh, come on, man.

Speaker 5 I tell you what. Let Charles, let when you was in Cincinnati, let Chauncey say, man, my brother ain't getting the ball.
They need to throw the ball with my ball or trading.

Speaker 5 What you tell me what you think the people in Cincinnati and what the Bengal's organization is going to think. Where did that come from?

Speaker 14 Oh,

Speaker 14 did I say something?

Speaker 5 What you be, I said something. You know that came from you.

Speaker 5 Even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe.

Speaker 5 That's why I always tell family, friends, and loved ones, be mindful of what you say, because whether they said it or not, it's going back to them.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, you you know, that's his wife. You know, they have those conversations.
I'm sure he does. Of course I want to play.
Of course I want to start.

Speaker 14 You know, you go home and who's the one, who's the one person you have peace and can vent to when it comes to what you, oh, honey, how is your day at work? Well, shit, I ain't starting.

Speaker 14 Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a husband and wife, a fiancé. You know, I mean, that's normal.
And she's venting and her frustrations about, oh, damn, here we go. What's new?

Speaker 14 We done lost again.

Speaker 5 But you have to be careful now, Ocho, because back then there was no social media that your significant other could go to.

Speaker 14 Ah,

Speaker 5 now

Speaker 5 there's a platform called social media

Speaker 5 that they can go to and disseminate information all across the world and instantaneous. So even if you were to sin and then hit delete, it's gone.

Speaker 14 Oh, it's too late. It's gone.
It's too late. Once you hit sin, it's a wrap.

Speaker 5 Man, Lord, have mercy. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I just wish people understood that

Speaker 5 it put Dylan in a bad spot.

Speaker 14 Right.

Speaker 5 Because I don't believe, see, when she said the locker, when she said, hold on, what did she say? Uh,

Speaker 5 actually, the building. When she said the building, I don't think, I think it's from locker room up.
I don't think it's the locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room.

Speaker 5 I think it's from above the locker room up. The building, I think that's the executive.
I think that's the front office.

Speaker 14 Hold on, we already know. We already know that, though.
We already know that based on the words,

Speaker 14 based on things that have been said, you know, you know, that part. But down, down, down below, where it really matters, the meat and potatoes of the team,

Speaker 14 you, you, I, I don't need this, I don't need, I don't need to say no more because I can't, I can't throw anybody else under the bus,

Speaker 14 you know, like I slipped up long time ago.

Speaker 14 I don't, I don't want to do that again, but but you, that's, that's what they, that's what they want, just be, that's what they want in inside that building, the people that's going to war,

Speaker 14 and not, I'm not telling you what, I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

Speaker 5 What I don't understand is that people need to understand

Speaker 5 you're not the center of attention.

Speaker 5 If you weren't dating Dylan Gabriel, how many people you think would know who she is?

Speaker 5 That's with anybody, unless you're Taylor Swift. Now, Taylor Swift is a different animal.

Speaker 5 Everybody knows who she is, even if she not dating Trav.

Speaker 5 But when you look at it, Sierra Russ, okay,

Speaker 5 that's a different dynamic. Right.
But when we're talking about somebody that doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that you only know, oh, that's Dylan Gabriel Fryance. Right.

Speaker 5 Oh, that's such a, that's Ocho's wife. Man, that's Ocho's significant other.

Speaker 5 So anything that gets said out of her mouth that at Cornel that relates back to football,

Speaker 5 oh, Ocho talking ass.

Speaker 5 That's how it is.

Speaker 5 I'm sorry. It's just like stuff at work.
When stuff come back to work.

Speaker 5 Oh,

Speaker 5 I told you that. I told you that.

Speaker 5 I've seen situations get messy because something got said in the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife or girlfriend.

Speaker 14 Now. And it got all over the place, huh?

Speaker 5 All over the place.

Speaker 14 Damn.

Speaker 5 And you know where it came from because we talked about it in the locker room.

Speaker 5 It ain't none of them, ain't none of them wives, girlfriends, significant others, fiancés, or whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear it. So one of you, Mofo, said it.

Speaker 14 Running your mouth.

Speaker 5 And in that group, it ain't but a small group. It ain't like we're talking aloud across the across the room.

Speaker 14 Uh-huh.

Speaker 5 We're talking in a small group, four or five. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, so it's on the practice field.

Speaker 14 It's easy to pinpoint who said something.

Speaker 5 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 Absolutely.

Speaker 5 I always ask somebody, hey, man, Sharp, let me tell you something.

Speaker 5 I'd be like, okay, who else you told? Man, I ain't told nobody. Because I don't want you to tell somebody else.
And then they get out. And then you told me about my shop.
I think I did.

Speaker 5 I ain't tell nobody, but Sharp, you a damn lie.

Speaker 5 Because if you already told somebody else, don't tell me.

Speaker 14 Yeah, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 Chad,

Speaker 5 it's just a bad spot to put your significant other in in the locker room. Because I'm telling you

Speaker 5 how athletes think,

Speaker 5 be it football, basketball, baseball, when something gets out and if team-related, it's like, what?

Speaker 5 She must have heard him say that. He's saying that.
Even if it's not true, she could have just been going out on a whim on her own and saying how she feels.

Speaker 5 Dylan might not have said anything, but they're still going to attach it.

Speaker 5 It's just like anything else if somebody does something the first person the first place they go look

Speaker 14 yeah

Speaker 5 yeah hey

Speaker 5 you see that yes sir

Speaker 5 first of all why you got my jersey oh

Speaker 14 why you got my jerseys

Speaker 14 hey listen hey hey when i let me tell you something when i when i hold on let me tell you how i got this jersey hold on

Speaker 14 hey see when you was out of town, right? When you were traveling and you were doing them alcohol, hey, listen, you were doing one of them alcohol signings and I had to break in your house, right?

Speaker 14 And I had to steal my trophies.

Speaker 14 Dude, I snatched one of these jerseys up all for you. I snatched one of these jerseys.

Speaker 5 How about we make a trade?

Speaker 14 Huh?

Speaker 5 How about we make a trade?

Speaker 14 Nah, don't worry about it. I'm going to keep this.
I'm going to keep this.

Speaker 14 I mean, I'm going to keep this for the rest of my trophies. Hey, this is the real deal, too.
Look, look at the sleeves.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe, I got the home in the way.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.

Speaker 5 High tides.

Speaker 14 I like that. What? I tell you what, when you send the rest of my awards, I got you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 14 I appreciate this.

Speaker 14 Hey, it's heavy. It's stitched up, too.
This is the real deal, right? Oh, yeah. Hold on, hold on.
You see me?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Hey,

Speaker 14 we look about the same.

Speaker 5 See the guns?

Speaker 14 Yes, sir. Yeah, I've been there.

Speaker 5 I just,

Speaker 5 Chad, it's kind of like, Ocho, if somebody in jail and they escape, what's the, where is the first person? The first place they go is where?

Speaker 14 They mama, they girl?

Speaker 5 Might not, he ain't got no.

Speaker 5 He got to be going there. Mama, their girl.

Speaker 14 Hey, think about this.

Speaker 5 If somebody's saying something and it has to do with the locker room, the first place, even if, even if, like I said, Ocho, even if that's her, even if those are her own thoughts, and she, I like to believe she's smart enough and she can have her own thoughts.

Speaker 5 Right. But that's not what people are going to believe.

Speaker 14 No, not, not at all. And I don't think she's thinking about it that way anyway.

Speaker 14 She was just more so expressing her feelings based on how she feels about wanting her husband or husband to be, you know, to actually be out there actually playing.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 she knows better now because she's going to get the backlash. And then it's going to fall on Dylan Gabriel.
And he's going to get pissed. What are you doing? You can't be doing that.

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 14 they're both new to this.

Speaker 14 They're both new to this. And she will understand.

Speaker 14 You got to be careful

Speaker 14 before you hit sin, you got to think. Because once you hit it, it's there for life.

Speaker 5 And guess what else, Ocho? Guess who going to get asked about this? You think they're going to ask 12 about this?

Speaker 5 Yeah. You think they're going to ask Stefanski about this?

Speaker 14 Of course.

Speaker 5 Something that they don't really have, shouldn't look. They should be like, okay, what do you guys need to do to get a win? What do you guys need? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 right i got now i got now i've got to answer answer questions about something some

Speaker 5 a lady that ain't a

Speaker 5 ain't never a never only been going to the game to see dylan yeah

Speaker 5 now i got to answer questions about what she said that ain't got nothing to do that's going to help us win a football game ocho nothing whatsoever yeah hey it just adds to the circus

Speaker 5 adds unnecessary unnecessary fuel to the fire so i i just like chat i would just recommend anybody, young ladies, if you, you, you, you dating a guy in college or high school and you guys might be together, just keep that in mind.

Speaker 5 Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him. And you might have your, you might be like, you might be your own person.
You have your own thoughts.

Speaker 5 You have your own mind. And I get to talk.

Speaker 5 I can speak freely. But they're going to tie it back to him.
And that's not fair. And that's not fair to him.
And you don't want to put that kind of stress.

Speaker 5 You don't want to put that kind of pressure. And you you don't want to sign shine that kind of light on him so just be just just be mindful of that that

Speaker 5 your actions

Speaker 5 gonna reflect back on him it's gonna it's gonna tie back it's gonna tie back to him just like if you do something out oh man that's man oh man you see man you heard what happened to ocho girl

Speaker 5 man you heard man

Speaker 5 man man they say sharp girl was acting a fool in the mall

Speaker 14 yeah Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's different when you date a celeb, entertainer, actor, actress. It's a different set of rules.
Yes. And you have to move differently.
You got to abide by it. You can't like, oh, I move highway.

Speaker 5 You can't do that. You can't, because now you can't just think about you.
You have to think about that other person and the possible jeopardy of perils you might put them in.

Speaker 5 And I don't think enough people do that.

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 5 But you should. I mean, the really ones, oh, Joe,

Speaker 5 you ain't never seen Peyton Manning White or heard her say anything, have you? No.

Speaker 14 See,

Speaker 14 that's a different type of understanding.

Speaker 5 I had no idea until she walked up to me. She said, you don't know who I am.

Speaker 5 I say, I sure don't. She said, I'm Ashley Manny.
I say,

Speaker 5 how you doing?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, so many people that you wouldn't even know. That's their wife because they like, hey,

Speaker 5 stay in the shadows, do what I do.

Speaker 14 But some understand they have to play the background. Some understand they have to play the background and they're not the main character.

Speaker 14 I understand I'm not the main character and I know my place and I know my role. There are a lot like that.
Then there are some that want to be front center.

Speaker 14 Okay, that's my man. Well, I need to be, I need to be front center right along with him.

Speaker 14 It's different.

Speaker 14 Everybody different. And it also depends on who you're dating.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 14 Some people date you just because they want to be front center. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And quarterbacks, first of all, quarterbacks bars a different level. Yes.
You basically date the CEO.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 5 You date the CEO.

Speaker 14 The guy.

Speaker 5 So you definitely, you definitely have to be willing to take a back seat.

Speaker 5 You got to be like Savannah James.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 She ain't going to, hey, she's going to do a little podcast. She got a little, whatever she got going on.

Speaker 5 Look, they try to beat up for Aisha Curry, but I understand what she's saying. I understand what she's saying.

Speaker 5 But, man, I just, I just, I just hate it. I just, you know, understand like they're young though, Ocho.
Some things, you know,

Speaker 5 sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand the gravity of what you're in.

Speaker 5 And then you get a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So hopefully she learned that

Speaker 5 just keep that to yourself. Okay, the building wants him to play.
If and when that time comes, he gets an opportunity to get back in there, he plays well, he's over the whole down the spot.

Speaker 5 But don't you go on social media and act.

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Speaker 5 OJo, Chador Sanders says he's working hard to build trust with Jerry Judy. Chador says it's going to take some time.

Speaker 5 That chemistry with guys like Jerry, I'm more of a trust person, so we have to spend some time on the task.

Speaker 5 It's just, it's just, and I told you, oh Joe, anytime you, anytime you start doing this this right here.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, listen, honk, it's a disconnect. You know,

Speaker 14 it's a disconnect. Once that Wi-Fi get on point, it's going to be all right.
You got to understand these two ain't working together, honk. Right.
Chemistry is very important.

Speaker 14 I think people, those that have played the game at any level, you understand, it's one thing when you get to the NFL, right?

Speaker 14 You have to be able to, you have to work with your receivers.

Speaker 14 You got to work with receivers because just because you have a ball in your hand, you have a guy out there running routes doesn't mean you have an instant connection true there's certain little nuances that you have to have certain rhythms and timing that you have to know that over a course of a training camp over a course of the offseason that you get to know your receivers i mean it and right now i understand their frustrations they're not winning Judy wants to get the ball.

Speaker 14 Judy wants to be productive in that offense. And things aren't going the way he'd like right now.

Speaker 5 But the problem that people are going to have is that, first of all, Shadur is a rookie quarterback

Speaker 5 in only his second start, like you said. But what about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in there and Joe Flacco's in there?

Speaker 5 So how many times do we see that kind of attitude on the sideline? Right.

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 5 I'm sure Dylan Gabriel sailed a bunch of them. He killed a bunch of worms.
And he'll knock a couple of birds out of the sky.

Speaker 5 And we didn't see this. So people are like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, on, Jew.

Speaker 5 The man just got in. This is on his second game starting.
He's a rookie quarterback. If he's a second year, third-year guy, and y'all still not on the same page, I would get it.

Speaker 5 But in this scenario,

Speaker 5 it's hard to get people to be on your side considering, if I'm not mistaken, he leads the league in drops.

Speaker 5 And you had a 35-yard completion that you let the guy come from behind you and knock the ball out.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So that's what people see.

Speaker 5 Now,

Speaker 5 last year he had an unbelievable season. Jameis did a great job of throwing him the ball.

Speaker 14 Hey, crazy work last year.

Speaker 5 Yes. Crazy work.
But you have to, but Ocho. Now, we can't take one season and forget about

Speaker 5 the years that was in Denver before and what's going on right now.

Speaker 5 We're not going to do that. I just want, I want, I want Jerry to understand that this is a rookie quarter,

Speaker 5 a rookie quarterback in only his second start.

Speaker 5 How about, I mean, maybe y'all spend some extra time.

Speaker 14 After practice.

Speaker 14 After practice, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Fridays,

Speaker 14 stay out a little bit longer.

Speaker 14 Listen, hell, me and Uncle Mentor, me and Uncle, me and Carson used to do that, used to do that. And I'm not talking about when he first got there.

Speaker 14 From when he first got there, third year, fourth year, fifth year,

Speaker 14 we got in that extra timing just to know, boy,

Speaker 14 we could have a goddamn blind full-on. He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm going to be at.
Right.

Speaker 14 Every time, on rhythm, regardless of a rush, regardless of whoever's in front of me, regardless of a defense. So when we were out there, it was like it was damn near 707, huh?

Speaker 14 Like, that's how sharp and on point and precise we were.

Speaker 14 It was damn near like 707.

Speaker 5 But it takes time to build that relationship.

Speaker 5 You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No.
It doesn't happen like that. You've got to put time in.
Y'all need to sit in a meeting room. Okay, tell me what you're thinking on this route.

Speaker 5 Tell me what you're thinking on this play right here.

Speaker 5 That's how it was with John. I'm like, okay, tell me what you're thinking.
Well, if the guy's playing you like this, expect it on the outside.

Speaker 5 If you can put it like this, I'm going to put it on your back shoulder. Or, you know, hey, like we were talking about when that guy's running and I can't beat him over the top, Ocho.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he said, I'm going to back shoulder you. So just know.

Speaker 5 That the ball is going to come and you're going to have to open your hips and catch it on your back shoulder.

Speaker 14 You know what's funny?

Speaker 14 i like that we talk about this too and i want to talk about the way the way i view jerry judy and the type of receiver he is is they're having problems they're having problems and issues offensively over there in in cleveland but i i've always seen jerry judy is not a problem but a solution to the problem especially with the skill set that he has as a receiver regardless of the drops regardless of of the issues he may have had understanding what he can do when it comes to putting people in the goddamn blender being able to define the the mismatches for him offensively, knowing that he can beat,

Speaker 14 he can beat whoever is out there at DB.

Speaker 14 He can beat, let me say this again. He can beat whoever there is out there at DB.

Speaker 14 He's a mismatch for damn near anybody, unless we talk about, you know, one of the top two better DBs

Speaker 14 in the NFL. His route run is tremendous.
His ability to separate is tremendous. So I don't even understand.

Speaker 14 where the issues are coming from, you know, especially seeing them with the animations and theatrics on the sideline yes yeah it's goddamn easy you know the fact that he's one of those few players it's only a handful of them you know i don't got to worry about you here i need you to just get open just do that for me just get open oh joe you look at judy as a number one

Speaker 14 yeah

Speaker 14 yeah not even close you don't think so no sir hey um you you listen can i say something real quick yes i know so i know some maybe people in the chat or maybe you might not be fond of him but would no hang on i like him i thought he i thought he should have been i said when they came out he came out that draft with cd with jetta with rugs i said he should have been the number one receiver take it yeah so i yeah hey and i was happy that he went but oh joe hey simply simply simply this huh simply this being able to get open beat man to man and create separation That's that's all I need because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently The people that are number twos cannot do that consistently those all receivers that are number one receivers my office of coordinator doesn't have to hide me

Speaker 14 we it's third down we need you to get open man to man i don't give a oh i almost cursed i don't care what it is get open jerry judy can do that

Speaker 5 he can do that i'm just saying You can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than, I mean, he a number one on that team because you got to, look, if you're talking about a number one, because he has to be a number one on that team but you'll go 25 deep with receivers before you take him so we we we basically think off skill set are you basing it off numbers what we talking about

Speaker 5 his skills are not conducive look at his numbers in denver look at his numbers now that's why i just said are you talking about his skill set or we talking about numbers well everybody's a number one if you just look at skill set because everybody can get open

Speaker 5 i can stack them a bunch of them

Speaker 5 yes they can no i'm not look let me take that back Everybody can't get open, but how many, how many, if we were to have a draft right now and you start taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected?

Speaker 14 No,

Speaker 14 you're throwing in different scenarios that I'm not talking about.

Speaker 5 He's not a one, oh, Joe. He's oh, Joe.

Speaker 5 He's a two. He's a solid two.

Speaker 5 A solid two. He's not a one receiver.

Speaker 14 Unk,

Speaker 5 what is let me ask you a question. Hold on, what is your criteria?

Speaker 14 Wait, wait, what's your criteria for being a number one receiver? I'm curious.

Speaker 5 They build a game plan to stop you. Are they building game plans to stop Jerry Judy?

Speaker 5 You know damn well they're not building no game plan. They're building a game plan to stop Ocho Sinko.
They build game plans to stop Shannon Sharp. He is not a number one.
Because you know why?

Speaker 5 Chad, if he was the number one, Ocho would have said, hell yeah.

Speaker 5 No, I'm waiting. hold on.
Are they building? Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes or no?

Speaker 14 Hold on. So let's go.
We got 32 NFL teams, right?

Speaker 5 I asked yourself.

Speaker 14 Let me, no, no, no, no. You can't do that.
No, let me finish. You got 32 NFL teams.
So every time every team plays that has a number one receiver, the defense is game plan to stop their number one?

Speaker 5 Absolutely not. When we come in, when we come in, absolutely not.

Speaker 5 Or when we come in on Wednesday, if he circled as a guy that we got to stop if we don't stop him that's what a number one is i'm not saying that every week he's going to get that but we got to focus on him if we don't stop him we can't it's going to be hard for us to be it's only five receivers in the nfl that teams have to do that to ocho only five

Speaker 5 number one and you it's ocho i get he's from my own

Speaker 5 five

Speaker 14 jamar chase justin jefferson AJ Brown, CeeDee Lamb, Pickens. It's only a few receivers.

Speaker 5 Nico Collins is a number one.

Speaker 5 Tyreek Hill is a number one. Brian Thomas Jr.
is a number one. The guy at the Giants is a number one.
Pickens, CD, is a number one. Terry McLurin is a number one.

Speaker 5 The guy that they got two guys in the guy, Drake London is a number one. Stop this notion.
Oh, Joe, no, don't do that.

Speaker 14 Come on, Meggie. Come on, you just throwing anybody's name out there at top cone.

Speaker 5 Are they number ones? Yes or no?

Speaker 14 Who?

Speaker 5 Are they number ones? Yes or no?

Speaker 14 Yeah, you. Oh, so hold on.
So when when you play the Atlanta Falcons, the focal point is stopping Drake London?

Speaker 5 Is Drake London the number one? Is that what you're asking me?

Speaker 5 Yes. He's their best receiver.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 5 You're not their best receiver? Okay.

Speaker 5 JSN. JSN is not a number one.

Speaker 14 Okay, now we're talking.

Speaker 5 Now we're talking. No, no, he's not a number.

Speaker 14 Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

Speaker 14 Now we're talking.

Speaker 14 Now we like, I like that.

Speaker 5 Now we're now talking. Come on, old Joe.

Speaker 5 Nah, I'm not.

Speaker 14 I'm basing it off what you're able to do. I need a skill set.

Speaker 5 How do we know?

Speaker 5 He's had one year. So, what about those years that he didn't do nothing?

Speaker 5 So, all of a sudden, so he just acquired this skill set last year.

Speaker 5 The previous three years, he lost it and he's lost it now, but he had it last year.

Speaker 5 Nah.

Speaker 5 I tell you what, you take Jared Judy or Devontae Smith.

Speaker 5 You take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddle.

Speaker 5 I'm just asking. Those are guys that play two.
So would you take them? Would you take, would you take Jared Judy or would you take Devontae Smith?

Speaker 5 Would you take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddle?

Speaker 5 Would you take him or you take Pierce? Would you take Pierce in

Speaker 5 Indy? Or would you take Michael Pittman Jr. over Judy? Which one you taking?

Speaker 5 I'm giving you every chance to take Judy.

Speaker 14 So listen,

Speaker 14 you hear everything,

Speaker 14 all the comparison of the teams

Speaker 14 and

Speaker 14 how you're doing that, right?

Speaker 14 You see what you're doing?

Speaker 14 You talk about players that are all on competent offenses that get balls with quarterbacks. You see what you're doing?

Speaker 5 With Russia.

Speaker 14 Are you trying? No, no, no. You're trying to compare the goddamn shit circus he got to fucking deal with at Cleveland and you're naming the Dolphins.

Speaker 14 You naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball looking like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated. Like, come on, man.

Speaker 5 What about Balik Neighbors? How was he? What was the Giants last year?

Speaker 14 Oh, he was gangster. Wow.
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 14 He was gangster.

Speaker 5 You mean

Speaker 5 that rummage sale that they had up at the Giants last year? That he had 100 and something catches?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 14 they they threw that thing to him like crazy

Speaker 5 i'm just i'm just i'm just

Speaker 14 listening this is this is a great this is this is a great comp i like this conversation i like this conversation but let me tell you something also situations matter where you are matters quarterback matter it's so many factors that come into play especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and great offensive systems.

Speaker 14 That's all. So it's like,

Speaker 14 it's almost unfair to have that conversation in comparison. But

Speaker 14 let's move on. 90% of the chat says he's not a one-one.

Speaker 5 Well, 90% of the chat disagree with you. 90% of the chat say he's not a number one.

Speaker 14 Hey, 90% of the chat can't cover me.

Speaker 5 90% of me.

Speaker 14 Matter of fact, hold on. 100% of the chat can't cover me and tell me nothing about playing receiver.

Speaker 5 Maybe 15 years ago, you had a very compelling argument. Now,

Speaker 5 Jerry Judy leaves the NFL and drops and drop percentage with qualified on-target passes dropped by receiver Judy has dropped almost 19%,

Speaker 5 6% higher than any other receiver.

Speaker 5 Ban Ocho.

Speaker 5 Hey.

Speaker 5 Bad Ocho to be a hell of an attorney, y'all. Ocho, know damn well, y'all guilty.
Ocho to hit, whatever it is, the weapon, Ocho, the gave it to the lawyer. Oh, man, look at my client, he do this.

Speaker 14 Hey, hey, you got me hot, man. Talk about the check.
Hey, you got me hot. Talk about the check of covering me, man.
I'm hot.

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Speaker 5 Mmm, yeah.

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Speaker 5 Speaking of Hall of Fame, Tarot Suggs went on Johnny's Glory Days podcast and talked about Antonio Brown's upcoming pro football Hall of Fame candidate. Suggs said he's a first ballot.

Speaker 5 Is he a first ballot? I wouldn't think so. The off-the-field stuff, they're going to shy away from that probably until it gets resolved.
They let another murderer in the 90s.

Speaker 5 Hold on. They let another murderer in the 90s.
I bet you if they could, they would have waited. Like,

Speaker 5 we might not want to put this guy in this fraternity just yet. Hey,

Speaker 5 I don't think, I don't think, because you got to think about it. T.O.
had not, look, should AB be a first of all, let me say this. Should he be a first ballot based on what he did?

Speaker 14 Wait, Charles, you see that? Yes.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 with T.O., they changed the bylaws. They said what you did off the field and what you did in the locker room or on the sidelines could be weighed against you.

Speaker 14 So, so you see how they did that, huh? You see how they were able to move the goalposts? You see how they were able to move the goalposts and having the power to control,

Speaker 14 having the power to be able to control when and who not to let in when the retired criteria for making the pro football hall of fame is conducted and based off what you do in between the goddamn lines.

Speaker 5 So now we use now.

Speaker 5 They change it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, they change it. They change it in their favor.

Speaker 14 So if you don't conduct yourselves in the manner in which we see fit away from the game of football, now we can chastise you for it we can chastise you for it i mean listen ab

Speaker 14 is a

Speaker 14 bona fide hall of famer no matter what i understand what he's done off the field i even understand some of the stuff he's done on the field but when he when it was time to go when you talk about the story you talk about some of the greatest nfl receivers that ever played this mother i almost cursed

Speaker 14 greatest receivers that ever played this game you can't tell a story without mentioning antonio goddamn brown

Speaker 5 you're you're right um i think he's talking about oj but oj was already in that's the one thing about that fraternity once you're in you can't they can't take you out you're there for perpetuity

Speaker 5 so so i think he's talking about oj but oj was already in so there's nothing you can do now maybe uh at usc they removed some of his paraphernalia or they took him i don't know but in the nfl

Speaker 5 Once you go into that building, you're in that building.

Speaker 5 I just think the thing is, Ocho, I just think he's going to have to wait. They made T.O.
wait three rounds. T.O., if T.O.
is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, the man

Speaker 5 had the third most catches. I think at the time of his retirement, he had the second most receiving yards,

Speaker 5 over a thousand yards.

Speaker 5 There's only been three men that's been a first-team all-pro with three different men, with three different teams. Deion Sanders, Ted Hendrix, and one T.O.

Speaker 5 So three men in the history of the game has been a first-team all-pro with three different teams. T.O.

Speaker 5 led San Francisco in yards he led uh uh uh uh buffalo in yards he led philly in yards he led dallas in yards he led cincinnati five teams five

Speaker 14 yeah

Speaker 14 you know what you know what i don't like i don't like the fact that they hold they hold so much power they control everything yeah they able to control everything and you have players you have players that played extremely well at a very high level consistently for a very long time and you have people that are able to control, you know, and if it affects a lot of players that want to be a part of that fraternity so bad.

Speaker 14 You want to be, so you have to pander to it. You know,

Speaker 14 it's out of your control. So if you, you can't even, almost, you can't even be yourself.
You have to be

Speaker 14 something different. You have to conform to what they want you to be like while you're playing the game in order to be a part of this over here.
Because of what it means.

Speaker 14 One of the greatest, if not the greatest achievement as an nfl player

Speaker 5 but or

Speaker 5 and the thing is i mean i don't know if he's talking about oj but oj was acquitted now you might think he did it or he know who did it or he had something to do but he went before 12 men and women and they said not guilty

Speaker 5 After that, we can come up with conjecture and speculation and innuendo all we want. But at the end of the day, he went before a jury of his peers

Speaker 5 and they heard all the evidence and they said not guilty. But I don't, like I said,

Speaker 5 is A.B. a Hall of Famer? Yes.
Do I think he's going to have a hard time getting in based on his history of his off-the-field activity and the way he conducted himself in Pittsburgh?

Speaker 5 Because you got to realize, Ocho, when you go before the board, somebody,

Speaker 5 Ed Bouchet, would probably have to be his presenter. So he would have to get up there and says, okay, Antonio Brown had this many catches, had this, this, this, and this,

Speaker 5 but also.

Speaker 5 So, you see how that goes? Now, some, you know, some guys like a Tom Brady guy, gonna say

Speaker 5 Peyton Manning, the guy just

Speaker 5 ain't say a word, Peyton Manning,

Speaker 5 sat back down. Tom Brady gonna be the same thing, sit back down.
Some guys, you know, offered Jerry Rice, sit back down, Emmett Smith,

Speaker 5 you know, some things like that. But I think he's gonna have a hard time getting in base because, like you said, it's 50 men and women and every man and woman knows a B story.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It is what it is.

Speaker 5 Jason Kelsey made some interesting comments about the difference between Shanahan offense and the West Coast offenses. Let's take a listen to what Kelsey had to say with yo.

Speaker 60 I do think there's a reason while there has been a lot of great

Speaker 60 offensive coaches that have come from the Shanahan tree and the McVay trees, not a lot of those has transitioned to the Super Bowls.

Speaker 60 And I think that if you look at largely the teams that have won Super Bowls over the last decade, most of them have been West Coast offenses that are pretty much grounded in a lot of the Bill Walsh and Andy Reid like lineages or pro-style offenses.

Speaker 60 And I think part of that is like

Speaker 60 the scheme can be great, but it's going to be really hard to win a Super Bowl with the coach out scheming.

Speaker 60 At the end of the day, most of the Super Bowls are won with quarterbacks and players on the field.

Speaker 60 Teams that operate out of drop back pass more tend to win Super Bowls Bowls more because drop back pass is more important in close games and at end-of-game situations.

Speaker 60 And that's why I think the West Coast offense, while it's not as,

Speaker 60 you know, as ridiculously interesting as some of the Shanahan principles and things, I think it probably translates when you have great players into more success at the end of the day.

Speaker 14 Hey, Uncle I like, I like that a little bit. I like what he's saying.

Speaker 14 Obviously, Shanahan system and the West Coast system, I think it all comes down to obviously having a combination of both, having a combination of great players with the with the great quarterback because if you have if you have a great quarterback regardless of the offense that you are running whether it's like whether whether it's shanahan like or if it's west coast system being able to manipulate that offense and knowing exactly what you're doing and having the right supporting cast hell anything is possible anything is possible it all comes down to the person at the helm who has the ball in his hands the most in his decision making.

Speaker 14 That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Scheme is great.

Speaker 14 You know, tactics is great. The system you're running is great, whether it be a Shanahan-style offense or whether it be the West Coast system offense.

Speaker 14 Hell, we've seen the West Coast system offense be successful. Think about how many teams that have a West Coast system that have won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 The thing, look, in Mike's system,

Speaker 5 The West Coast system, they really use the short passing game as their run game.

Speaker 5 The true West Coast system, the way Bill Warren granted, they never had a Terrell Davis. They never had a guy that could hit his head, that could run the ball like that.

Speaker 5 And if you go back and study, you look at Green Bay, Green Bay, they had Dorsey Levins.

Speaker 5 You look at the West Coast. The very few teams have had a guy that could run the ball like we had with TD.

Speaker 5 And even though you go back and you look at the Broncos, even after TD, they had Mike Anderson and they had Ruben Drones and we had Clinton Porters and they had a number of guys.

Speaker 5 They weren't TD.

Speaker 5 And so if you look at now McCaffrey, you see how they're able to scheme and how they're able to run the ball with McCaffrey.

Speaker 5 And still, they still throw a lot. We didn't throw the ball that much to the running backs.
That was my job, Ed's job,

Speaker 5 and Rod's, Foot's job, to do the legwork as far as the passing game. Yeah, we threw a couple of screens, but we weren't a great screen team

Speaker 5 the 49ers are with Kyle, like they are with McVay.

Speaker 5 We were not a good screen team. We were a toss-it-handed, weak side zone team.
Stop it if you can. And then we're going to play action off of that.
We're going to run boot.

Speaker 5 We're going to run fullback slide, drag slide. We're going to run overs.

Speaker 14 And we dare you to see. You know what I do like too about the West Coast System Monk?

Speaker 14 And for those that are in the chat, to give you a different perspective, especially when it comes to soccer, I want you to think about the Barcelona teams.

Speaker 14 You know, the early days of Messi, when obviously they kill you with 100 passes, you know, ticky tagger, ticky tag, ticket, ticket. That's what I think about the West Coast system, honk.

Speaker 14 You know, being able to have 14, 15, 17, 18 play goddamn drives, and it's damn demoralizing for a defense because there's no way to stop you because you always able to find the mismatch based on whoever it is at the helm controlling the ball and having the ball in their hands the most.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 when it's done the right way,

Speaker 14 when it's done the right way, it's the most beautiful thing in the world.

Speaker 5 The most beautiful thing in the world to watch.

Speaker 5 But if you look at it, you look at Andy Reid was in that system. Andy Reid, you look at every, because he came from Michael Hongren,

Speaker 5 John Gruden, all those guys,

Speaker 5 Mariuchi, all those guys with under Hongren who came up under that system.

Speaker 5 Mike went directly to San Francisco and got that from Bill Walsh himself. And so you see all the guys that came from Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, McVay, all those guys,

Speaker 5 LaFleur,

Speaker 5 O'Connell, all those guys. And so you see a variation of it.
They do a lot of, got their own, put their own spin on the locho, but that's what it is.

Speaker 5 But none of them has really had a guy that can run the football like a TD.

Speaker 5 And so that's the only thing that's missing from the West Coast that I was in compared to what we see now. They throw a lot more.
They throw away. The game has changed now.
The game has changed now.

Speaker 5 So they're going to throw the ball more than we ran it. We ran more than we threw.

Speaker 14 Matter of fact, what is

Speaker 14 Mr. Campbell and the Detroit Lions? Is that not West Coast a little bit?

Speaker 5 I don't know. He under par sales.
So he got most of his tutelage under par sales. Okay.

Speaker 14 Because they kill you with those damn on those damn crossing routes over and over.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 they run a lot of shallows. They run a lot of in cuts.

Speaker 5 They do a lot of three by a lot of bunches.

Speaker 5 They do a lot of motion.

Speaker 14 But hey, think about the 49ers, huh? Think about the

Speaker 14 49ers, especially that year they went to the Super Bowl

Speaker 14 when they faced the Chiefs. That is

Speaker 14 beautiful football in every sense of the word. Because

Speaker 14 they can start at their five-yard line and dink and dunk and dink and dunk.

Speaker 14 and dunk and and scream play the goddamn mccaffrey chunk play the mccaffrey you know run running off tackle running through a gap and just it's just a continuous and when it's done the right way when you have a quarterback that's making all the right decisions and as great as shanahan is is is finding the mismatches and making sure you play to your player strengths putting them in make those plays it's a beautiful thing i know you don't know anything about soccer but i could just i could show you a clip i could just show you a clip of Barcelona playing and it's like the death of a thousand passes and they're just going back to back and they're almost lulling the defense to sleep,

Speaker 14 lulling the defense to sleep until the right time. And it's just before you know it, the goddamn goal in the back

Speaker 14 in the back of the net, you don't know what the hell happened.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Tell me somebody. We uh

Speaker 5 um

Speaker 5 Clinton Porter. Clint, Clinton Porters was unbelievable.
He had way more talented. He was way more, had way more talent than TD,

Speaker 5 but he didn't take it as serious as TD.

Speaker 5 Clinton Porter should be in the Hall of Fame. That boy would.
Hey,

Speaker 5 Clinton Porters had 3,100 yards and 31 touchdowns in two seasons. Shit.

Speaker 5 Two seasons. Nice, boy.

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 5 Porter's want to do man.

Speaker 14 Hey, y'all used to run that stretch, that stretch with Porter.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 14 I think Payton used to run that a lot, too. I mean, we looked at the quarterback almost falling to get that stretch out there.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 14 Yes. And hey, Porter's a whole lot.

Speaker 5 And then we play pass off over to throw the ball over your head.

Speaker 14 Portus a whole last stretch long and cut back across that green.

Speaker 14 Boy.

Speaker 5 Good night, Irene.

Speaker 14 And once Porters hit that second level, Uncle.

Speaker 5 Oh, you can't do that. Good luck getting him back.
Good luck.

Speaker 5 If Porters would have taken it serious, Ocho, do you know how many times on a

Speaker 5 Saturday night

Speaker 5 I sit up in my room

Speaker 5 at the bed check.

Speaker 5 I see who's leaving.

Speaker 5 If I see who leaving, who do you think you'll see him leaving? Coach.

Speaker 5 That's why he traded him.

Speaker 5 Who's going to trade a running back? Think about it. He's offensive rookie of the year.
He goes to the Pro Bowl. The guy that he beats out for a Pro Bowl spot is Ladanian Thomason.

Speaker 5 Ladanian Thomason has 1,600 rush yards and a thunder catches in a season and Porter's beat him out for the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 Damn. Mike traded him

Speaker 5 because of that.

Speaker 14 I have a question.

Speaker 5 He wouldn't want to work out.

Speaker 14 Wait, he was lazy?

Speaker 14 Hold on. Coming from a program like the University of Miami, where everything is predicated.

Speaker 5 I don't know where he came from. I'm telling you what he was when he got to them.

Speaker 5 We would need the difference.

Speaker 14 Wait, the way them boys were coming out to you,

Speaker 14 just thought that that transition would have stuck, especially going into the league.

Speaker 5 Man, man, Porter came to the game one time, hung over, told me, I'm finished. All right, man, I can't play today.

Speaker 5 You better get your ass out there and run some gas, run that look out, get your ass, and do a contrast.

Speaker 5 They ain't got nothing to do with Mike. Mike ain't no portal looking down your throat.

Speaker 14 I bet he had one hell of a game, too.

Speaker 5 A monster.

Speaker 5 A monster game,

Speaker 5 man. Man, Poe, I say, Pope, man, why you won't do right?

Speaker 5 He'll tell you. He'll tell you himself.

Speaker 5 I mean, I got.

Speaker 5 I mean, I thought it was just going to be a matter of time. I didn't think he was going to trade him because I did all I could.
You know, being a veteran presence there, trying to do all I could.

Speaker 5 Come on, Pope, man. Damn.
Just do right.

Speaker 14 Hey, matter of fact, wait, who would he replace with?

Speaker 5 Pope come to practice and wouldn't even have his shoes tied and they couldn't tackle him.

Speaker 14 Hey, matter of fact, you know what? If Coach Coach made that decision to let Porters go, that means there had to be somebody behind him that they trusted or that

Speaker 14 maybe not as good,

Speaker 14 but we can do just by.

Speaker 5 Who's that?

Speaker 5 I think it was maybe

Speaker 5 Ruben Drones. I think it was Ruben.
I remember Ruben.

Speaker 5 I remember.

Speaker 5 Yeah. He ended up rushing for 1,200.

Speaker 14 Hey, what's the running back? Did you play with the running back?

Speaker 14 You didn't play with Travis Henry played in Denver too, didn't he?

Speaker 5 No, I was gone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Trav was gone. I was gone when Trav got there.

Speaker 14 I was wondering, I wonder, I don't know why I'm thinking about thinking about running backs. I wonder if Travis Henry doing,

Speaker 5 you know, he, he, he would, he did some time, OJo.

Speaker 14 No, not talking about the running back play for the bill.

Speaker 5 Travis Henry, he did some time, oh, I ain't know that.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 14 damn.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, one day after being claimed by the Buffalo Bill on waivers from the Steelers, cornerback Darius Slay has informed the Bills he will not be reporting to the team. Slay had been a healthy

Speaker 5 scratch in week 13 and seemingly fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh. So the two sides have mutually agreed to part ways.
Adam Schefter reported that Slay wants to continue to play.

Speaker 5 Since Slay was released between the trade deadline and the end of the season, NFL rules require him to clear waivers

Speaker 5 before he can become a free agent. That did not happen as the Buffalo Bill put in a claim on a 34-year-old.
Slay does not want to play in Buffalo.

Speaker 5 However, Tom Pellisero reported that Slay has informed the Bills he will not report to the team and is contemplating retirement.

Speaker 5 The Bills are likely to let Slay manipulate his way out of the situation.

Speaker 5 When Anquan Bowden signed with the team before the 2017 season, when the playoff drought was broken, he then retired after two weeks before the season began.

Speaker 5 He later asked the bills to to release him so he could play elsewhere. Bean refused to grant Bowdoin's request and retained his rights.
Ocho.

Speaker 5 Well, I think players don't want to go to the Bills. What's wrong with Buffalo? They got Josh Allen.

Speaker 14 Ain't nothing wrong with Josh Allen. Going to a team like that, you have a quarterback, but there's a chance you're going to be in contention.

Speaker 14 Defense is decent.

Speaker 14 I would love to go play with Superman if I was a defensive back, but I think Slay might be chilling. Slay might want to make a move and go back to Philly.

Speaker 14 He might want to be able to have a chance to go back to Philly and help him out in some way, shape, form, or fashion. That might be it.

Speaker 14 Or maybe, you know, I just don't see in understanding how much Slay loved the game.

Speaker 14 That has to be his move. I think it's a chess move.
Obviously, we both have the same agent. I don't play anymore, but still, we both have the same agent in Drew Rosenhouse.

Speaker 14 And I know Drew is going to give him the right information that he needs if that's what he's trying to do and drew will do his due diligence behind you know behind the scenes behind closed doors so slay can get exactly what he wants and i i i personally think if it was going to be a move i think he would have he would love to go back to philly as opposed to buffalo

Speaker 5 yeah they know that that's why they're not going to release him you think they'll play hardball so

Speaker 5 yeah for sure

Speaker 5 For sure.

Speaker 5 That's why they claimed him. A lot of times people would claim players.
They get released. They would claim players.

Speaker 5 So I want to make sure you don't go to a competitor that's somebody that we might have to play.

Speaker 5 What if we release it? What if we let him go? Then he goes to Philly. We end up seeing Philly in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 14 And now we got to deal with Slate.

Speaker 5 Now we got to deal with. So, no, I don't.
No, I don't. Because all they're going to be on the hook for is the last, what, whatever pro-rated of $1.3 million left.

Speaker 5 Because I think he signed an $8, $9 million deal. He got $7.50 of it up front.
So the rest of him, so it's really nothing.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, I agree with you. I think that's what he wants.
He wants to go back to Philly. I don't think he ever wanted to leave Philly.
No,

Speaker 5 but, you know, they, you know,

Speaker 5 Cooper Days. They were young.

Speaker 5 Mike

Speaker 5 and Mitchell.

Speaker 14 You heard me?

Speaker 14 They went young.

Speaker 14 They were young.

Speaker 5 They did, of course.

Speaker 14 It's the nature of the business. I think Slay is still a very, very good quality corner.
Very good quality corner. And having that veteran presence in that locker room, honestly, for me,

Speaker 14 I wouldn't want him to leave either. I wouldn't want him to leave.
But defense has been playing well.

Speaker 5 Hope you can only play so many people. You got a quarterback on the big contract.
You got two both the receivers making big time money. Look at your offensive line.

Speaker 5 Look at how much Lane Johnson, Milado, Dickerson. Look how much money they hold.

Speaker 14 He had a team-friendly contract, though.

Speaker 5 He didn't at first.

Speaker 5 They released it. That's why they released it.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so now we got guys coming and they had to resign Bond.

Speaker 14 Yeah, they did.

Speaker 5 You got Jalen Carter coming up. You got Mitchell coming up.
You got Jordan Davis coming up. You know what I'm saying? You got Mitchell.
You got Junk.

Speaker 5 Oh, Joe, you can't keep everybody. As good as you draft, you're not going.
I don't care how much money you got and how much you want to keep everybody. You're not going to be able to keep them.

Speaker 5 You're not going to be able to afford them.

Speaker 14 That's my dog. Hey, wait a minute.
Well, maybe Slay might come back next week. He might come back next week because the Bills do have to to play the Bengals.

Speaker 14 I personally wouldn't want to come back a new team and have to deal with Chase and Higgins.

Speaker 14 No?

Speaker 14 You don't think so?

Speaker 5 It's really cold up there.

Speaker 14 That's football weather, man.

Speaker 5 Not for no significant other having to sit outside.

Speaker 14 They got Sweets.

Speaker 5 Man, please.

Speaker 14 You don't like the Sweets in Buffalo? The Sweets in Buffalo, nice.

Speaker 5 Man, that man ain't trying to pay money like that, Ocho.

Speaker 14 You don't think so?

Speaker 5 You know how much sweets cost?

Speaker 14 Not that much?

Speaker 5 But sweet ain't clearly.

Speaker 14 But sweet ain't number 10,000.

Speaker 5 Clearly, you didn't have...

Speaker 5 No, you didn't. Not for no 10,000.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 How much

Speaker 5 cost? Not even.

Speaker 5 Not even, not even in Cincinnati, can you get a sweet for 10,000?

Speaker 5 I probably say the cheapest sweet would probably be

Speaker 5 a couple hundred thousand. What?

Speaker 14 Unc, ain't no sweet cost $100,000 now. Come on now.

Speaker 5 Boy, the sweets, the closer you get to midfield, it costs a million dollars. What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 14 What kind of sweet shot? What? Man, what is your talk?

Speaker 5 Ocho, you do realize most sweets, they come 12, 16, 18, 24, 30. That's what sweets come in.

Speaker 14 And you know what's funny, Uncle? you know what's funny?

Speaker 14 Is I actually had a suite and I don't remember how much it cost, but I guarantee you, because as fiscally responsible as I was, if it was anything like the numbers you said, I would have told my homeboys and family, but y'all got to sit y'all ass in the stands when they get to November.

Speaker 5 How many, how many, how many, first of all,

Speaker 5 how many

Speaker 5 people fit in the suite?

Speaker 14 Let me see. It's two rows at the front.
You got all the food. Then you got the bar.
You You got the bar stool.

Speaker 5 You have to pay for the food. The food don't come with the sweet.
You have to pay for the food.

Speaker 14 But you know, everything comes. I mean, it's part of the package.

Speaker 14 No, it's not. Yes, it is.

Speaker 5 You have to pay into, you have to, you get the sweet, and then you have to pay extra for the food.

Speaker 14 Nah, I got a discount, I think that's what it was. I got a discount.

Speaker 14 You got to understand,

Speaker 5 you got to listen. What's the average price?

Speaker 14 Let me tell you something.

Speaker 14 Listen,

Speaker 14 I'm.

Speaker 5 You can't get it per game.

Speaker 14 No, yeah, you got to get it for the season, season, all eight games. You got to get it for all eight games.

Speaker 14 You, you, you got to understand for me, they might have gave me a discount because I wasn't just a player, you hear me? I wasn't just a player for the Bengals, I was a part of the Brown family.

Speaker 14 You hear me?

Speaker 14 I was it like I was so integrated and a part of the family. I'm not saying I was adopted, but there was a point where I'm gonna change my name to Chad Brown Johnson.

Speaker 14 Like, that's that that's the that's the kind of relationship I had with ownership.

Speaker 14 I can't I can't wait to hear these numbers

Speaker 5 Yeah, closer to center field because I remember me and Ray had one this was in 2000 and we were next next to the owner's box and we we played a quarter of a million.

Speaker 14 Damn. A quarter of a million.

Speaker 5 And the food did not come free.

Speaker 14 Oh, hell. Hey, hey, I like this.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 14 I like this topic right here, boy. Hold on.

Speaker 14 I like this topic.

Speaker 14 This is a good topic.

Speaker 14 Oh, this is a good topic.

Speaker 5 We got to put a call in to see how much.

Speaker 14 I'm calling right now. Hold on.

Speaker 14 Come on, answer the phone. Don't do me that.
Don't embarrass me in front of people. Come, company.

Speaker 14 Oh, he embarrassed me in front of company. God damn, TJ.

Speaker 5 Cause uh

Speaker 14 damn, he answered the phone.

Speaker 14 Hey, I now, now you got me curious.

Speaker 5 A quarter of a million for a suite yeah because we we like obviously the owner is on the 50 yard you know the owner's on the 50 yard line yes so we got we had the suite right next to him

Speaker 5 so

Speaker 5 probably ocho in between the 20s is where you're going to pay the most Obviously, you start getting the corner and then the end zone.

Speaker 5 Because you see what they call

Speaker 5 at the Super Bowl. Them sweets at the Super Bowl be two, three million dollars.

Speaker 14 That's crazy. And y'all, and honestly, at the Super Bowl, those aren't the actual fans.

Speaker 14 Oh, no, no, no, it's basically a corporate event, huh? That's all it is.

Speaker 5 And the thing is, Ocho, you have to give your suite up.

Speaker 5 If the Super Bowl is in your state, let's just say for the sake of argument, you got a suite in Cincinnati, and the Super Bowl in Cincinnati, that's not your sweet, that belongs to the NFA.

Speaker 5 You're right, you're right.

Speaker 5 They got to make their money, huh? Yeah, they got to make their money.

Speaker 14 They're not playing by that.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm just like, I'm like,

Speaker 14 God damn, a quarter of a million, boy. Oh, hell.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, Joe, it's expensive, man.

Speaker 5 But look, most of the time, you know who has them, the suites, the quarterbacks, the really high dollars.

Speaker 14 And the big boy, the big boy.

Speaker 5 And, you know, you don't want you, you know, you don't want your wife's, you know, because when I was there, the only guy that had a suite was John.

Speaker 5 When I was in Denver, the only guy that had a sweet was John. Man, nobody played that high.

Speaker 5 I mean, that's not.

Speaker 14 Everybody had to sit outside to have family members.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because it wasn't nobody, but bro, he was the only one making big money like that, man. You can't afford to pay no $100,000.

Speaker 5 You got to realize $100,000 in the 90s, but Ocho was a lot of damn money. What?

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, it's a lot of money now, but I'm saying back then.

Speaker 5 When you have people not making $100,000, when I first, my first two years, I didn't even make $100,000 a year. I made $63,000 and $73,000.

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