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Oh, Joe, I bet Hard Knocks wishing they were following the Cleveland Browns around this year. Now it's Dylan Gabriel's significant other jumping into the drama.
Whoa, what happened?

TikTok saying, my fiancé, Dylan, is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but I'm not going to share it.

She then captioned another with Brown's loss. What's new?

But then, this is, he got into a disagreement with a commenter on a post and wrote, actually, everyone in the building wants him to play, but you wouldn't know because you're never been into the NFL or coach, right?

Well,

you know, I mean, listen, we see this all the time. We see

family members display their frustrations, whatever they may be, really not understanding how the game works, you know, the ins and outs of it. And, you know, she wants her fiancé to be on the field.

You know, he's not on the field.

Shadur has been chosen to be the quarterback. How many knows everybody in the building wants him to play?

I mean,

they've been on the news for how long? I'm asking you.

How does she know that? Unless somebody pillow talking.

Oh, come on, man.

I tell you what. Let Charles, let when you was in Cincinnati, let Chauncey say, man, my brother ain't getting the ball.
They need to throw the ball to my ball to trade it.

What you tell me what you think the people in Cincinnati and what the Bingles organization is going to think. Where did that come from? Oh,

did I say something?

What you be off saying something? You know that came from you.

Even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe.

That's why I always tell family, friends, and loved ones, be mindful of what you say, because whether they said it or not, it's going back to them. Yeah.

I mean, we, you know, that's his wife. You know, they have those conversations.
I'm sure he does. Of course I want to play.
Of course I want to start.

You know, you go home and who's the one, who's the one person you have peace and can vent to when it comes to what you, oh, honey, how is your day at work? Well, shit, I ain't starting.

Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a husband and wife, a fiancé. You know, I mean, that's normal.
And she's venting and her frustrations about, oh, damn, here we go. What's new?

We done lost again. But you have to be careful now, Ocho, because back then, there was no social media that your significant other could go to.
Ah.

Now, there's a platform called social media

that they can go to and disseminate information all across the world and instantaneous. So even if you were to sin and then hit delete, it's gone.
Oh, it's too late. It's gone.
It's too late.

Once you hit sin, it's a wrap.

Man, Lord, have mercy. Yeah.

I just wish people understood that it's a, it, it, it makes, it put Dylan in a bad spot. Right.

Because I don't believe, see, when she said the locker, when she said, hold on, what if you say? Uh,

actually, the building. When she said the building, I don't think, I think it's from locker room up.
I don't think it's the locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room.

I think it's from above the locker room up. The building, I think that's the executive.
I think that's the front office. Hold on, we already know.
We already know that, though. We already know that.

Based on the words,

based on things that have been said you know you know that part but down down down below where it really matters the meat and potatoes of the team

you you i i don't need this i don't need i don't need to say no more because i i can't i can't throw anybody else under the bus

you know like like i slipped up long time ago i i don't want to do that again but but you that's that's what they that's what they want just be that's what they want in inside that building the people that's going to war

And

I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

What I don't understand is that people need to understand you're not the center of attention.

If you weren't dating Dylan Gabriel, how many people you think would know who she is?

That's what anybody, unless you're Taylor Swift. Now, Taylor Swift is a different animal.

Everybody knows who she is, even if she not dating Trav. Right.

But when you look at it, Sierra Russ, okay, that's a different, that's a different dynamic. Right.

But when we're talking about somebody that doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that you only know, oh, that's Dylan Gabriel Fiancé. Oh, that's such a that's Ocho's wife.

Man, that's Ocho's significant other.

So anything that gets said out of her mouth that at Corle that relates back to football, right? Oh, Ocho talking ass.

That's how it is.

I'm sorry. It's just like stuff at work.
When stuff comes back to work.

Oh,

I told you that. I told you that.

I've seen situations get messy because something got said in the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife or girlfriend.

Now. And it got all over the place, huh? All over the place.
Damn.

And you know where it came from because we talked about it in the locker room.

Yeah. And

ain't none of the wives, girlfriends, significant others, fiancés, or whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear it. So one of you, Mofo, said it.
Running your mouth.

And in that group, it ain't but a small group. It ain't like we talking aloud

across the room. Uh-huh.

We're talking in a small group, four or five. Yeah.
Oh, so it's easy. And we on the practice field.
It's easy to pinpoint who says something.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I always ask somebody, hey, man, Shaw, let me tell you something.

I'd be like, okay, who else you told? Man, I ain't told nobody. Cause I don't want you to tell somebody else and then they get out and then you told me about what you're thinking.
I did.

I didn't tell nobody, but sharp, you a damn lie.

Because if you already told somebody else, don't tell me. Yeah, hold on, hold on.

Yeah,

Chad,

it's just a bad spot to put your significant other in in the locker room. Because I'm telling you how athletes think,

be it football, basketball, baseball, when something gets out and it's team-related. They're like,

she must have heard him say that. He's saying that.
Even if it's not true, she could have just been going out on a whim on her own. and saying how she feels.

Dylan might not have said anything, but they're still going to attach it.

It's just like anything else. If somebody does something,

the first place they go look.

Yeah,

yeah.

Yeah, hey.

You see that?

Yes, sir.

First of all, why you got my jersey, Ocho?

Why you got my jerseys?

Hey, listen. Hey, when I let me tell you something.

Hold on, let me tell you how I got the jersey. Hold on.

hey see when you was out of town right when you were traveling and you were doing them alcohol hey listen you were doing one of them alcohol signings and i had to break in your house right and i had to steal my trophies

i i i i snatched one of these jerseys up all for you i snatched one of these jerseys how about we make a trade huh how about we make a trade nah don't worry about it i'm gonna keep this i'm gonna keep this i'm gonna i mean i'm gonna keep this for the rest of my trophies Hey, this is the real deal, too.

Look, look at the sleeves. Oh, yeah.
Oh, Joe. I got the home in the way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.
High tides. I like that.

Well, I tell you what, when you send the rest of my awards, I got you.

Yeah. Yeah.

I appreciate this.

Hey, it's heavy. It's stitched up, too.
This is the real deal, right? Oh, yeah. Hold on, hold on.
You see what else?

Yeah.

Yeah. Hey,

we look about the same. See the guns?

Yes, sir. Yeah, I appreciate it.

I just,

Chad, it's kind of like, Ocho, if somebody in jail and they escape, what's the, where is the first person? The first place they go is where?

They mama, they girl?

My, he ain't got no.

He got to be going there. Mama and their girl.
Hey, think about it.

If somebody says something, and it has to do with the locker room, the first place, even if, even if, like I said, Ocho, even if that's her, even if those are her own thoughts, and she, I like to believe she's smart enough and she can have her own thoughts, right?

But that's not what people are going to believe, no, not at all. And I don't, I don't think she's thinking about it that way anyway.

She was just more so expressing her feelings based on how she feels about wanting her husband or husband to be, you know, to actually be out there actually playing.

So, but she knows she knows better now because she's going to get the backlash and then it's going to fall on Dylan Gabriel and he's going to get pissed. What are you doing? You can't be doing that.

You know,

they're both new to this.

They're both new to this. And she will understand.

You got to be careful

before you hit sin, you got to think. Because once you hit it, it's there for life.
And guess what else, Ocho? Guess who's going to get asked about this? You think they're going to ask 12 about this?

Yeah. You think they're going to ask the fansky about this? Of course.

Something that they don't really have shouldn't, look, they should be like, okay, what do you guys need to do to get a win? What do you guys need? Blah, blah, blah. Right.
I got now. I got now.

I've got to answer answer questions about something. Some

a lady that ain't a

ain't never ain't only been going to the game to see Dylan. Yeah.

Now I got to answer questions about what she said that ain't got nothing to do that's going to help us win a football game, Mocho. Nothing whatsoever.
Yeah. Hey, it just adds to the circus.

Adds

unnecessary fuel to the fire.

So I just like, Chad, I would just recommend anybody, young ladies, if you you dating a guy in college or high school and you guys might be together, just keep that in mind.

Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him. And you might have your, you might be like you, you might be your own person.
You have your own thoughts.

You have your own mind. And I get to talk.

I can speak freely. But they're going to tie it back to him.
And that's not fair. And that's not fair to him.
And you don't want to put that kind of stress.

You you don't want to put that kind of pressure and you don't want to sign shine that kind of light on him

so just be just just be mindful of that that

your actions

gonna reflect back on him it's gonna it's gonna tie it's gonna tie back to him just like if you do something out

oh man that's man oh man you see man you heard what happened to ocho girl

man you heard man

man man they say sharp girl was acting a fool in the mall

Yeah.

It's different when you date a celeb, entertainer, actor, actress. It's a different set of rules.
Yes. And you have to move differently.
You got to abide by it. You can't like, oh, I move highway.

You can't do that. Because now you can't just think about you.
You have to think about that other person and the possible jeopardy of perils you might put them in.

And I don't think enough people do that. No.
But you should. I mean, the really ones, oh, Joe,

you ain't never seen peyt man the wife or heard her say anything have you no um see that that's a that's that's a different type of understanding

i had no idea until she walked up to me she said you don't know who i am

i said i sure don't she said i'm actually i say

how you doing yeah had a great

there's i mean so many people that you wouldn't even know that's their wife because they like hey

stay in the shadows do what i do i understand

but some understand they have to play the background some understand they have to play the background and they're not the main character i understand i'm not the main character and i know my place and i know my role there are a lot like that then there are some that want to be front and center

okay that's my man boy i need to be i need to be front and center right along with him it's it's it's different every everybody different and it also depends on who you're dating yes Some people date you just because they want to be front and center.

Yeah.

And quarterbacks, first of all, quarterbacks bars a different level. Yes.
You're basically dating the CEO. Yes.

You date the CEO. The guy.

So you definitely, you definitely have to be willing to take a back seat.

You got to be like Savannah James. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. She ain't going to, hey, she's going to do a little podcast.
She got a little, whatever she got going on.

Look, they try to beat up for Aisha Curry, but I understand what she's saying. I understand what she's saying.

But, man, I just, I just hate it. I just, you know, understand

they're young, though, Joe. Some things, you know,

sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand the gravity of what you're in.

And then you get a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So hopefully she learned that

just keep that to yourself. Okay, the building wants him to play.
If when that time comes, he gets an opportunity to get back in there. He plays well.
He's able to hold down the spot.

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OJo, Chador Sanders says he's working hard to build trust with Jerry Judy. Jador says it's going to take some time.

That chemistry with guys like Jerry, I'm more of a trust person, so we have to spend some time on the task.

It's just, it's just, and I told you, OJO,

anytime you start doing this right here. Yeah.

I mean, listen, it's a disconnect. You know,

it's a disconnect. Once that Wi-Fi get on point, it's going to be all right.
You got to understand these two ain't work together, honk. Right.
Chemistry is very important.

I think people, those that have played the game at any level, you understand, it's one thing when you get to the NFL, right?

You have to be able to, you have to work with your receivers.

You got to work with receivers because Just because you have a ball in your hand, you have a guy out there running routes doesn't mean you have an instant connection. True.

There's certain little nuances that you have to have, certain rhythms and timing that you have to know that over a course of a training camp, over a course of the offseason, that you get to know your receivers.

I mean,

right now, I understand their frustrations. They're not winning.
Judy wants to get the ball. Judy wants to be productive in that offense, and things aren't going the way he'd like right now.

But the problem that people are going to have is that, first of all, Shadur is a rookie quarterback

in only his second start, like you said. But what about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in there and Joe Flacco's in there?

So how many times do we see that kind of attitude on the sideline? Right.

Because

I'm sure Dylan Gabriel sailed a bunch of them. He killed a bunch of worms and knocked a couple of birds out of the sky.

And we didn't see this. So people are like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jew.

The man just got in. This is on his second game starting.

He's a rookie quarterback if he's a second year third year guy and y'all still not on the same page right i would get it yeah but in this scenario

it's hard to get people to be on your side considering if i'm not mistaken he lead the league in drops

and you had a 35 yard completion that you let the guy come from behind you and knock the ball out

yeah

So that's what people see.

Now,

last year he had an unbelievable season. Jameis did a great job of throwing him the ball.
Hey, crazy work last year. Yes.
Crazy work. But you have to, but Ocho.

Now, we can't take one season and forget about

the year that was in Denver before and what's going on right now.

We're not going to do that. I just want, I want, I want Jerry to understand.
that this is a rookie quarter,

a rookie quarterback in only his second start.

How about, I mean, maybe y'all spend some extra time after practice after practice wednesday thursdays friday stay out stay stay out a little bit longer you know get listen hell me and unc me mentor me and unc well me and cars used to do that used to do that and i'm not talking about when he first got there from when he first got there third year fourth year fifth year we get we got in that extra timing just to know Boy,

we can have a goddamn blindfold on. He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm going to be at.
Right.

Every time, on rhythm, regardless of a rush, regardless of whoever's in front of me, regardless of a defense. So when we were out there, it was like it was damn near 707.

Like, that's how sharp and on point and precise we were. It was like, it was damn near like 707.

But it takes time to build a relationship.

You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No.
It doesn't happen like that. You've got to put time in.
Y'all need to sit in a meeting room. Okay, tell me what you're thinking on this route.

Tell me what you're thinking on this play right here.

That's how it was with John. I'm like, okay, tell me what you're thinking.
Well, if the guy's playing you like this, expect it on the outside.

If I can put it like this, I'm going to put it on your back shoulder.

Or, you know, hey, like we were talking about when that guy's running and I can't beat him over the top, oh, he said, I'm going to back shoulder you.

So just know that the ball is going to come and you're going to have to open your hips and catch it on your back shoulder.

You know what's funny is that I like that we're talking about this too. And I want to talk about the way I view Jerry Judy and the type of receiver he is is they're having problems.

They're having problems and issues offensively over there in Cleveland.

But I've always seen Jerry Judy as not a problem, but a solution to the problem, especially with the skill set that he has as a receiver, regardless of the drops, regardless of the issues he may have had, understanding what he can do.

when it comes to putting people in the goddamn blender being able to define the mismatches for him offensively knowing that he can beat he can he can beat whoever is out there at db

he can beat like let me say this again he can beat whoever there is out there at db

he's a mismatch for damn near anybody unless we talk about you know one of the top two better dbs in in in in the nfl his route run is tremendous his ability to separate is tremendous so i don't even understand where the issues are coming from you know especially seeing them with the with the animations and theatrics on the sideline yes yeah it's goddamn easy you know the fact that he's one of those few players, it's only a handful of them.

You know, I don't got to worry about you. Here, I need you to just get open.
Just do that for me. Just get open.
Oh, Joe, you look at Judy as a number one?

Yeah.

Yeah. Not even close.
You don't think so? No, sir. Hey,

you, listen, can I say something real quick? Yes.

I know some, maybe people in the chat, or maybe you might not be fond of him, but would. No, I ain't got no.
I like him.

I thought he should have been.

i said when they came out he came out that draft with cd with jetta with rugs i said he should have been the number one receiver take it yeah so i yeah hey and i was happy that he went but ocho hey simply simply simply this huh simply this being able to get open beat man to man and create separation that's that's all i need because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently The people that are number twos cannot do that consistently.

Those all receivers that are number one receivers, my office of coordinator doesn't have to hide me.

It's third down. We need you to get open man to man.
I don't give a fuck. Oh, I almost cursed.
I don't care what it is. Get open.
Jerry Judy can do that.

He can do that. I'm just saying.
You can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than, I mean, he a number one on that team because you got that.

Look, if you're talking about a number one, because he has to be a number one on that team, but you'll go 25 deep receivers before you take him. So

we basing things off skill set or are you basing it off numbers? What are we talking about?

His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver.
Look at his numbers now. That's what I just said.
Are you talking about his skill set or are we talking about numbers?

Well, everybody's a number one if you just look at skill set because everybody can get open.

I can stack up a bunch of them.

Yes, they can. No, I'm not.
Look, let me take that back. Everybody can't get open.

But how many, how many, if we were to have a draft right now and you start taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected?

No,

you throwing in different scenarios that I'm not talking about.

He's not a one, oh, Joe. He's oh, Joe.
He's a two. He's a solid two.

A solid two. He's not a one receiver.

Unk, what is... What is

a question?

What is your criteria? Wait a minute. Wait, wait.
What's your criteria for being a number one receiver? I'm curious. They build a game plan to stop you.

Are they building game plans to stop Jerry Judy?

You know damn well they're not building no game plan. They built a game plan to stop Ocho Cinco.
They built game plans to stop Shannon Sharp. He is not a number one because you know why?

Chad, if he was the number one, Ocho would have said, hell yeah.

No, I'm, I'm, wait, hold on. Are they building, are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes or no? Hold on.
So let's go. We got 32 NFL teams, right?

I asked yourself. No, no, no, no.
You can't do that. No, let me finish.
You got 32 NFL teams.

So every time every team plays that has a number one receiver, the defense is game plan to stop their number one? Absolutely not.

When we come in. Absolutely not.
Or when we come in on Wednesday. If he circled as a guy that we got to stop, if we don't stop him, that's what a number one is.

I'm I'm not saying that every week he's going to get that, but we got to focus on him. If we don't stop him, we can't.
It's going to be hard for us to beat him.

It's only five receivers in the NFL that teams have to do that to. Ocho.
Only five.

Ocho. I get he's from like.
Only five.

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. AJ Brown, CeeDee Lamb, Pickens.
It's only a few receivers. Nico Collins is a number one.

Tyreek Hill is a number one. Brian Thomas Jr.
is a number one. The guy at the the Giants is a number one.
Pink and CD is a number one. Terry McLurin is a number one.
The guys that they got two guys in

Drake London is a number one. Stop this notion.
Oh, Joe. No, Joe.
Don't do that. Come on, Becky.
Come on. Now you just throwing anybody's name out there, top cone.
Are they number ones? Yes or no?

Who? Are they number ones? Yes or no? Yeah. Oh, so.
Hold on. So when you play the Atlanta Falcons, the focal point is stopping Drake London? Is Drake London the number

Is that what you're asking me?

Yes, he's their best receiver. Okay.
He's not their best receiver. Okay.

JSN. JSN is not a number.

Okay, now

we're talking.

Now we're talking. No, he's not a number.

Now we're talking. Now we're talking.

Now we're talking.

I like that.

Now we're talking. Come on, Ojoe.

Nah, I know.

Hey,

I'm basing it off what you're able to do. I need a skill set.
It's how we know

he's had one year. So, what about those years that he didn't do nothing?

So, all of a sudden, so he just acquired this skill set last year. The previous three years, he lost it, and he's lost it now, but he had it last year.

Nah.

I tell you what, you take Jared Judy or Devontae Smith.

You take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddell.

I'm just asking, those are guys that play two. So would you take them? Would you take, would you take Jared Judy or would you take Devontae Smith?

Would you take Jared Judy or Jalen Waddell?

Would you take him or

would you take Pierce in

Indy? Or would you take Michael Pittman Jr. over Judy? Which one you taking?

I'm going to give you every chance to take Judy.

so listen i you you hear you hear everything all the all the comparison of the teams and and and and how you doing and how you're doing that right you you see what you're doing

you talk about you talk about you talk about players that are all on competent offenses that get that get balls with quarterbacks you see you see what you're doing with right

are you trying are you trying no no no you're trying to compare the goddamn shit circus he got to fucking deal with at cleveland and you're naming the dolphins

you naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball looking like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated. Like, come on, man.

What about Balik Neighbors?

How was he? What was the Giants last year? Oh, hey, he was gangster. Oh,

he was gangster.

Oh, you mean that rum that rummage sale that they had up at the Giants last year? That he had a hundred and something catches? Yeah, they yeah, they threw that thing to him like crazy.

I'm just

this. This is a great, this is, this is a great comp.
I like this conversation. I like this conversation.
But let me tell you something. Also, situations matter.
Where you are matters.

Quarterback matters.

It's so many factors that come into play, especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and great offensive systems.

That's all. So it's like it's, eh, it's almost unfair to have that conversation in comparison.
But

let's move on.

Well, 90% of the chat disagree with you. 90% of the chat say he's not a number one.
Hey, 90% of the chat can't cover me. 90% of me.
No matter, hold on.

100% of the chat can't cover me and tell me nothing about playing receiver. Maybe 15 years ago, you had a very compelling argument.
Now,

Jerry Judy leads the NFL and drops and drop percentage with qualified on-target passes dropped by receiver Judy has dropped almost 19%,

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Speaking of Hall of Fame, Tara Suggs went on Johnny's Glory Days podcast and talked about Antonio Brown's upcoming pro football Hall of Fame candidate. Suggs said he's a first ballot.

Is he a first ballot? I wouldn't think so. The off-the-field stuff, they're going to shy away from that probably until it gets resolved.
They let another murderer in the 90s.

Hold on. They let another murderer in the 90s.
I bet you if they could, they would have waited. Like,

we might not want to put this guy in this fraternity just yet. Hey, huh?

I don't think, I don't think, because you got to think about it. T.O.
had not, look, should AB be a first of all, let me say this. Should he be a first ballot based on what he did?

Way Charles, you see that? Yes.

Yes.

But

with T.O. they changed the bylaws.
They said what you did off the field and what you did in the locker room or on the sidelines could be weighed against you. So, so you see how they did that, huh?

You see how they were able to move the the goalposts? You see how they were able to move the goalposts and having the power to control,

having the power to be able to control when and who not to let in when they retire.

The criteria for making the pro football hall of fame is conducted and based off what you do in between the goddamn lines. So now

we're making it personal. They change it.
Yeah, they changed it. They changed it in their favor.

So if you don't conduct yourselves in the manner in which we see fit away from the game of football, now we can chastise you for it. We can chastise you for it.
I mean, listen, A.B.

is a bona fide Hall of Famer, no matter what. I understand what he's done off the field.
I even understand some of the stuff he's done on the field.

But when it was time to go, when you talk about the story, you talk about some of the greatest NFL receivers that ever played this month. Almost cursed.

Greatest receivers that ever played this game. You can't tell the story without mentioning Antonio goddamn Brown.

You're right.

I think he's talking about oj but oj was already in that's the one thing about that fraternity once you're in you can't they can't take you out you're there for perpetuity

so so i think he's talking about oj but oj was already in so there's nothing you can do now maybe uh at usc they removed some of his paraphernalia they took him i don't know but in the nfl you once you go into that building you're in that building um

I just think the thing is, Ocho, I just think he's going to have to wait. They made T.O.
wait three rounds. T.O., if T.O.
is not a first-ballot Hall of Famer, the man had

the third most catches. I think at the time of his retirement, he had the second most receiving yards,

over a thousand yards.

There's only been three men that's been a first-team all-pro with three different men, with three different teams: Deion Sanders, Ted Hendrix, and one T.O.

So, three men in the history of the game has been a first-team all-pro with three different teams. T.O.

led San Francisco in yards, he led uh uh uh uh Buffalo in yards, he led Philly in yards, he led Dallas in yards, he led Cincinnati. Five teams, five,

yeah, TO's horseback. You know what, you know what I don't like?

I don't like the fact that they hold they hold so much power, they control everything, yeah, they're able to control everything, and you have players, you have players that played extremely well at a very high level, consistently for a very long time.

And you have people that are able to control, you know, and if it affects a lot of players that want to be a part of that fraternity so bad. You want to be, so you have to, you have to pander to it.

You know,

it's out of your control. So if you, you can't even, almost, you can't even be yourself.
You have to be

something different. You have to conform to what they want you to be like while you're playing the game in order to be a part of this over here because of what it means.

One of the greatest, if not the greatest achievement as an NFL player.

But or.

And the thing is, I mean, I don't know if he's talking about OJ, but OJ was acquitted.

Now, you might think he did it, or he knows who did it, or he had something to do, but he went before 12 men and women and they said, not guilty.

After that, we can come up with conjecture and speculation and innuendo all we want.

But at the end of the day, he went before a jury of his peers and they heard all the evidence and they said not guilty. But I don't, like I said, is A.B.
a Hall of Famer? Yes.

Do I think he's going to have a hard time getting in based on his history of his off-the-field activity and the way he conducted himself in Pittsburgh?

Because you got to realize, Ocho, when you go before the board, somebody,

Ed Bouchette, would probably have to be his presenter. So he would have to get up there and says, okay, Antonio Brown, he had this many catches, had this, this, this, and this.

But also, uh, uh, uh,

so you see how that goes? Now, some, you know, some guys like a Tom Brady guy, go say

Peyton Manning. The guy just

ain't say a word, Peyton Manning,

sat back down. Tom Brady, gonna be the same thing, sit back down.
Some guys, you know, offer Jerry Rice, sit back down, Emmett Smith, you know, some things like that.

But I think he's gonna have a hard time getting in base because, like you said, it's 50 men and women, and every man and woman knows a B story.

Yeah.

It is what it is.

Jason Kelsey made some interesting comments about the difference between Shanahan offense and the West Coast offenses. Let's take a listen to what Kelsey had to say on Joe.

I do think there's a reason while there has been a lot of great

offensive coaches that have come from the Shanahan tree and the McVay trees, not a lot of those has transitioned to the Super Bowls.

And I think that if you look at largely the teams that have won Super Bowls over the last decade, most of them have been West Coast offenses that are pretty much grounded in a lot of the Bill Walsh and Andy Reid like lineages or pro-style offenses.

And I think part of that is like

the scheme can be great, but it's going to be really hard to win a Super Bowl with the coach out scheming.

At the end of the day, most of the Super Bowls are won with quarterbacks and players on the field.

Teams that operate out of drop back pass more tend to win Super Bowls more because drop back pass is is more important in close games and at end-to-game situations and that's why i think the west coast offense while it's not as uh you know as as ridiculously interesting as some of the shanahan principles and things i think it probably translates when you have great players into more success at the end of the day

Hey, Unc, I like that a little bit. I like what he's saying.
Obviously, Shanahan system and the West Coast system, I think it all comes down to obviously having a combination of both.

Having a combination of great players with the with the great quarterback. Because if you have, if you have a great quarterback, regardless of the offense that you are running,

whether it's Shanahan-like or if it's West Coast system, being able to manipulate that offense and knowing exactly what you're doing and having the right supporting cast, hell, anything is possible.

Anything is possible. It all comes down to the person at the helm.
who has the ball in his hands the most in his decision making. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day.
Scheme is great.

You know, tactics is great. The system you're running is great, whether it be a Shanning Handstout offense or whether it be the West Coast system offense.

Hell, we've seen the West Coast system offense be successful. Think about how many teams that have a West Coast system that have won the Super Bowl.

The thing, look, in Mike's system,

the West Coast system, they really use the short passing game as their run game.

The true West Coast system, the way Bill Wars granted it, they never had a Terrell Davis. They never had a guy that could hit his head, that could run the ball like that.

And if you go back and study, you look at Green Bay, Green Bay, they had Dorsey Levins.

If you go back and look at the West Coast, the very few teams have had a guy that could run the ball like we had with TD.

And even though you go back and you look at the Broncos, even after TD, they had Mike Anderson and they had Ruben Drones and we had Clinton Porters and they had a number of guys,

they weren't TD.

And so if you look at now McCaffrey, you see how they're able to scheme and how they're able to run the ball with McCaffrey.

And still, they still throw a lot. We didn't throw the ball that much to the running backs.
That was my job, Ed's job,

and Rod's, Foot's job, to do the legwork as far as the passing game. Yeah, we threw a couple of screens, but we weren't a great screen team

like the 49ers are with Kyle, like they are with mcvey we weren't we weren't a good we were not a good screen team we were a toss it handed weak side zone team stop it if you can and then we're going to play action off of that we're going to run boot we're going to run fullback slide drag slide we're going to run overs and we dare you you know what i do like too about the west coast system monk and for those that are in the chat uh to give you a different perspective especially when it comes to soccer i want you to think about the barcelona teams you know the ear the early days of messi when obviously they kill you with 100 passes, you know, ticky tagger, ticket, ticket, ticket.

That's what I think about the West Coast system, huh?

You know, being able to have 14, 15, 17, 18 play goddamn drives, and it's damn demoralizing for a defense because there's no way to stop you because you're always able to find the mismatch based on whoever it is at the helm controlling the ball and having the ball in their hands the most.

And

when it's done the right way,

when it's done the right way, it's the most beautiful thing in the world. The most beautiful thing in the world to watch.

But if you look at it, you look at Andy Reid was in that system. Andy Reid,

you look at every, because he came from Michael Hongren,

John Gruden, all those guys,

Mariuchi, all those guys with under Hongren who came up under that system.

Mike went directly to San Francisco and got that from Bill Walsh himself. And so you see all the guys that came from Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, McVay, all those guys,

LaFleur,

O'Connell, all those guys. And so you see a variation of it.
They do a lot of, got their own, put their own spin on the dojo, but that's what it is.

But none of them has really had a guy that can run the football like a TD.

And so that's the only thing that's missing from the West Coast that I was in.

compared to what we see now. They throw a lot more.
They throw away.

The game has changed now. The game has changed now.

So they're going to throw the ball more than we ran it. We ran more than we threw it.
Matter of fact, what is

Mr. Campbell and the Detroit Lions? Is that not West Coast a little bit?

I don't know. He underpar sales.
So he got most of his tutelage under par sales. Okay.
Because

they kill you with those damn, on those damn crossing routes over and over.

Yeah,

they run a lot of shallows. They run a lot of in cuts.

They do a lot of three by ones, a lot of bunches.

They do a lot of motion. But hey, think about the 49ers, huh? Think about the 49ers, especially that year they went to the Super Bowl with Pearl.

When they faced the Chiefs, that is

beautiful football in every sense of the word because

they can start at their five-yard line and dink and dunk and dink and dunk and dunk and scream play the goddamn McCaffrey, chunk play the McCaffrey, you know, running off tackle, running through a gap.

And just, it's just a continuous.

And when it's done the right way, when you have a quarterback that's making all the right decisions, and as great as Shanahan is, is finding the mismatches and making sure you play to your player's strengths, putting them in position, make those plays.

It's a beautiful thing. I know you don't know anything about soccer, but

I could show you a clip. I could just show you a clip of Barcelona playing.
And it's like the death of a thousand passes.

And they're just going back to back and they're almost lulling the defense to sleep.

Lulling the defense to sleep until the right time. And it's just, before you know it, the goddamn goal

in the back of the net. You don't know what the hell happened.

Yeah.

Tell a bitch about where

Clinton Porter. Clint Porter was unbelievable.
He had way more talented. He

had way more talent than TD.

But he didn't take it as serious as TD.

Clinton Porter should be in the the Hall of Fame. That boy was a

Clinton Porter's had 3,100 yards and 31 touchdowns in two seasons. Shit.

Two seasons. Nice, boy.

Yes.

Hey, y'all used to run that stretch, that stretch reporter. Yes.
I think Payton used to run that a lot, too. I mean, we looked at quarterback almost falling to get that stretch out there.
Oh, my.

Yes. And hey, Porter's a whole lot.
And then we play pass off over to throw the ball over your your head. Portus a whole last stretch long and cut back across that green

boy.

Good night, Irene.

And what a once Portis hit that second level, Unc.

Oh, you can't get him back. Look,

what

if Portis would have taken it serious, Ocho? Do you know how many times on a

Saturday night

I sit up in my room

at at the bed check.

I see who's leaving.

If I see who's leaving, who do you think you'll see him leaving? Coach.

That's why he traded him.

Who's going to trade a running back? Think about it. He's offensive rookie of the year.
He goes to the Pro Bowl. The guy that he beats out for a Pro Bowl spot is Ladanian Tomlinson.

Ladanian Thomason has 1,600 rush yards and a thunder catches in a season, and Porters beat him out for the Pro Bowl.

Damn. Mike traded him

because of that.

I have a question. He wouldn't want to work out.
Wait, he was lazy?

Hold on. Coming from a program like the University of Miami, where everything is predicated.
I don't know where he came from. I'm telling you what he was when he got the dimp.

Wait, the way them boys were coming out to you?

I just thought that that transition would have stuck, especially going into the league.

Man, man, Porter came to the game one time, hung over, talking about

man, I can't play today.

You but get your ass out there and run some gas, run that look out, and get your ass and do a contrast.

They ain't got nothing to do with Mike. Mike ain't no portal looking down your throat.
I bet he had one hell of a game, too.

A monster,

a monster game,

man. Poe, I say, Poke, man, why you won't do right?

He'll tell you. He'll tell you himself.

I mean, I got.

I mean, I thought it was just going to be a matter of time. I didn't think he was going to trade him because I did all I could, you know, being a veteran presence there, trying to do all I could.

Come on, Pope, man. Damn, just do right.

Hey, matter of fact, wait, who was the replacement?

Pope came to practice and wouldn't even have his shoes tied and they couldn't tackle him.

Hey, matter of fact, you know what? If Coach made that decision to let Porter's go, that means there had to be somebody behind him that they trusted or that maybe not as, maybe not as good,

but we can do just by.

They are,

who's that?

I think it was maybe

Ruben Drones. I think it was Ruben.
I remember Ruben. I remember.

Yeah. He ended up rushing for 1,200.
Hey, what's the running back? Did you play with the running back? You didn't play with Travis Henry played in Denver too, didn't he?

No, I was gone.

Yeah, Trav was gone. I was gone when Trav got there.
I was wondering, I wouldn't, I don't know why I'm thinking about thinking about running backs. I'm gonna have Travis Henry doing,

you know, he, he, he would, he did some time, OJo.

No, not talking about the running back play for the Bill. Travis Henry, he did some time, OJo.
I ain't know that.

Yeah.

Damn.

Oh, Joe. One day after being claimed by the Buffalo Bill on waivers from the Steelers, cornerback Darius Slay has informed the Bills he will not be reporting to the team.

Slay had been a healthy scratch in week 13 and seemingly fallen out of favor in Pittsburgh. So the two sides have mutually agreed to part ways.

Adam Schefter reported that Slay wants to continue to play. Since Slay was released between the trade deadline and the end of the season, NFL rules require him clear waivers

before he can become a free agent. That did not happen as the Buffalo Bill put in a claim on the 34-year-old.
Slay does not want to play in Buffalo.

However, Tom Pellisero reported that Slay has informed the Bills he will not report to the team and is contemplating retirement.

The Bills are likely to let Slay manipulate his way out of the situation.

When Anquan Bowden signed with the team before the 2017 season, when the playoff drought was broken, he'd been retired after two weeks before the season began.

He later asked the bills to release him so he could play elsewhere. Bean refused to grant Bowdoin's request and retained his rights.
Ocho,

well, I think players don't want to go to the bills. What's wrong with Buffalo? They got Josh Allen.
They got James.

Ain't nothing wrong with Josh Allen. Going to a team like that, you have a quarterback, but there's a chance you're going to be in contention.

Defense is decent.

I would love to go play with Superman if I was the defensive back, but I think Slay might be chilling. Slay might wanna make a move and go back to Philly.

He might want to be able to, you know, have a chance to go back to Philly and help him out in some way, shape, form, or fashion.

That might be it. Or maybe, you know, I just don't see in understanding how much Slay loved the game.

That has to be his move. I think it's a chess move.
Obviously, we both have the same agent. I don't play anymore, but still, we both have the same agent in Drew Rosenhouse.

And I know Drew is going to give him the right information that he needs if that's what he's trying to do.

And Drew will do him due diligence behind, you know, behind the scenes, behind closed doors, so Slay can get exactly what he wants. And I personally

think if it was going to be a move, I think he would love to go back to Philly as opposed to Buffalo.

Yeah, they know that. That's why they're not going to release him.
You think they play hardball? So,

yeah, for sure.

For sure.

That's why they claim him. A lot of times people would claim player.
They get released. They would claim players.

So I want to make sure you don't go to a competitor that's somebody that we might have to play.

What if we release? What if we let him go? Then he goes to Philly. We end up seeing Philly in the Super Bowl.
And now we got to deal with Slate.

Now we got to deal with it. So, no, I don't.
No, I don't. Because all they're going to be on the hook for is the last, what, whatever pro-rated of a $1.3 million left.

Because I think he signed an eight, nine million dollar deal. He got seven and a half of it up front.
So the rest of him, so it's really nothing.

So, yeah i agree with you i think he that's what he wants he wants to go back to philly i don't think he ever wanted to leave philly no

but you know they you know uh if they went young uh

uh uh my kid and mitchell you heard me they they went young they went they went young

they did of course

it's the nature of the business i i think slay is still a very very good quality corner Very good quality corner. And having that veteran presence in that locker room, honestly, for me,

I wouldn't want to leave either i wouldn't want him to leave but defense has been playing well hope you can only play so many people you got a quarterback on the big uh big contract you got two both the receivers making big time money look at your offensive line how much look at how much lane johnson my lottery dickerson look how much money they're making

friendly contract though

he didn't at first

yeah they released it that's why they released it yeah

and so now we got guys coming and they had to resign bron Bond. Yeah, they did.

You got Jalen Carter coming up. You got Mitchell coming up.
You got Jordan Davis coming up. You know what I'm saying? You got Mitchell.
You got the junk. You got all Joe.
You can't keep everybody.

As good as you draft, you're not. I don't care how much money you got and how much you want to keep everybody.
You're not going to be able to keep them. You're not going to be able to afford them.

That's my dog. Hey, wait a minute.
Well, maybe Slay might come back next week. He might come back next week because the Bills do have to play the Bengals.

You know,

personally, I wouldn't want to come back a new team and have to deal with Chase and Higgins.

No, you don't think so?

It's really cold up there.

That's football weather, man.

Not for no significant other having to sit outside.

They got sweets.

Man, please. You don't like the Sweets in Buffalo? The Sweets in Buffalo, nice.

Man, I mean, they try to pay money like that, don't you?

You don't think so?

You know how much sweets cost? Not that much.

But sweet ain't

sweet ain't number 10,000.

Clearly, you didn't have a sweet.

No, you didn't. Not for no 10,000.

Yeah, yeah.

How much?

Not even.

Not even, not even in Cincinnati, can you get a sweet for 10,000?

I probably say the cheapest sweet would probably be

a couple hundred thousand. What?

Ain't no sweet cost $100,000 now. Come on now.

Boy, the sweets, the closer you get to midfield, they cost a million dollars. What the hell you talking about? What kind of sweet shot? What, man, what did you talk?

Oh, Joe, you do realize most sweets, they come 12, 16, 18, 24, 30. That's what sweets come in.
Hey, you know, you know what's funny, um?

You know what's funny? Is I I actually had a suite, and I don't remember how much it cost.

But I guarantee you, because as fiscally responsible as I was, if it was anything like the numbers you said, I would have told my homeboys and family, but y'all got to sit y'all ass in the stands when they get to November.

How many, how many, how many, first of all, how many,

how many

people fit in the suite?

Let me see. It's two rows at the front.
You got all the food. Then you got the bar.
You got the bar stool.

You have to pay for the food. The food don't come with the sweet.
You have to pay for the food. But you know, everything, everything comes.
I mean, it's part of the package.

No, it's not. Yes, it is.

You have to pay in the, you have to, you get the sweet and then you have to pay extra for the food. Nah, I got a discount.
I think that's what it was. I got a discount.

You got to understand, you got to listen. What's the average price? Let me tell you something.

Listen, I'm, I'm.

You can't get it for per game. No, yeah, you got to get it for the season, all eight games.
You got to get it for all eight games.

You

got to understand for me, they might have gave me a discount because I wasn't just a player. You hear me? I wasn't just a player for the Bengals.
I was a part of the Brown family. You hear me?

I was, like, I was so integrated in the part of the family. I'm not saying I was adopted, but there was a point where I won't change my name to Chad Brown Johnson.

Like,

that's the kind of relationship I had with ownership.

I can't I can't wait to hear these numbers

uh

yeah closer to center field because I remember me and Ray had one this was in 2000 and we were next next to the owner's box and we played a quarter of a million

damn a quarter of a million and the food did not come free

oh hell hey hey i i like this oh yeah i like this i like this topic right here boy hold on i can like this topic it's a good topic

oh this is a good topic

we're gonna have to we're gonna have to we're gonna put a call in to see how much

i'm calling i'm calling i'm calling right now hold on

Come on, answer the phone. Don't do me like, don't embarrass me in front of people.

Company.

Oh, he embarrassed me in front of company. God damn, TJ.

Cause.

Damn, he answered the phone.

Hey, I've now, now you got me curious.

A quarter of a million for a suite?

Yeah, because we, we like, obviously the owner's on the 50-yard line. You know, the owner's on the 50-yard list.

So we had the suite right next to it.

So

probably, Ocho, in between the 20s is where you're going to pay the most. Obviously, you start getting the corner and then the end zone.

Because you see what they call

at the Super Bowl. Them sweets at the Super Bowl be two, three million dollars.
That's crazy.

And honestly, at the Super Bowl, those aren't the actual fans.

Oh, no, no, no, it's basically a corporate event. That's all it is.
And the thing is, Ocho, you have to give your suite up.

If the Super Bowl is in your state, let's just say for the sake of argument, you got a suite in Cincinnati, and the Super Bowl in Cincinnati, that's not your suite. That belongs to the NFA.

Yeah, you're right. You're right.
They got to be got to make their money. Yeah.
They got to make their money. They're not playing by that.
Yeah. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute.

I mean,

just like, I'm like,

God damn, a quarter of a million, boy. Oh, hell.
Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe.
It's expensive, man.

But look, most of the time, you know, who has the sweets, the quarterbacks, the really high dogs.

The big boy.

And, you know, you don't want you, you know, you don't want your wife's, you know. Because when I was there, the only guy that had a suite was John.

When I was in Denver, the only guy that had a suite was John. Anybody played that high?

I mean, that's not.

everybody had to sit outside to have family members.

Yeah, because it wasn't nobody, but wrong. He was the only one making big money like that, man.
You can't afford no plate, no $100,000.

You got to realize $100,000 in the 90s, but OJO was a lot of damn money.

Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of money now, but I'm saying back then

when you have people not making $100,000. When I first, my first two years, I didn't even make $100,000 a year.
I made $63,000 and $73,000.

Damn. So, hey, give me them $125 tickets.
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