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You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? Brother Debo, I'm doing great, my good brother, my brother in Christ.

I had a great, great night watching some football, you know, so yeah, the game, unbelievable game. Oh, no question.

You know, like, this is a high-scoring game, so I know you kind of, you know, may have a lot of fun. I ain't gonna lie,

it was high scoring, but I was still able to stick in there because it wasn't like just a straight-out blowout. It was interesting all the way to the end.
Yes, yes, for sure.

You know, Dallas went on out there and they tried their best, but they just didn't have enough to finish it off. Lions beat them, what was it, 44 to 30? Yes.

yeah so detroit get out there and like that whole first series they was just like play action them you know the first play except for the first play they went on here just straight through it to saint brown showing that he was good that was seven they get to i think it was like third and three and gibbs gives the linebacker this shaky shaky spin cycle

yes breaks off his ankles you know for a hot 19.

And then again,

I think it was the next. The next one was the first one was the swing pass to him, where he got crazy, spin cycle, everything.
And then the very next one, the check down to him, he's behind him.

Dookie step turns around like just back-to-back plays, getting the ball into his hands, bro. Gibbs went crazy.
I think the first one was the check down. I think the second one was the out.

Was the swing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, but look, whatever, back-to-back, he went both plays.

I think it was second and four. They ended up dropping him for two.
It was a loss of two.

And then on that third down, they was able to make it make it to make it to golf. They ended up settling for a field goal.
Yep, Muhammad, that's when he started it. Mohammed's first sack of the day.

It was 3-0.

Dallas get out there. And then on the second and six, Pickens takes one for a nice little 11-yard game.

I think it was the first down. They ended up losing five.

They did a little throwback. Yeah.
That joint was looking a little crazy. He threw the ball behind the line of scrimmage, trying to jump past that yeah that was a not not a good play

the uh

second and 15 though he has he is ferguson for 19 yards like i was thinking they was gonna be able to hold up they didn't

the next one they really didn't didn't get too much thing was like a run no incompletion on the first one the second down was just one

And then third down, dude made a nice break on that. He did.
He did. But this is one where it was a little bit noisy in there, Debo.
If you see my man George, it's a little noisy in there.

He was going for the pick. Both of them, and I saw a little alligator came off the joint kind of chilling, but like that was the first one.
It was, it was definitely noisy.

I could see my man Pick is kind of making a little bit of a business decision on that dig. Great little play.
It was a little noisy in there, but you know,

I don't think that was the dig. I think that was the out, wasn't it? No, no, no.
That was the dig. Okay.
That was the dig. All right.
Yeah. They go.
Yeah. 57-yard field gold on that.

57-yard field goal like nothing. Like nothing.

That wasn't even the longest. It wasn't even the longest.
No, no, no, for sure. He just warming up.

Yeah, man.

And, you know, Dallas going ahead, kick it off to Detroit. Man, Dallas Special Teams was selling all night, dude.
They let dude return to what was it, 40 yards to almost midfield.

He was doing it all night. All night, dude.
All night. Like all night.
And the kicker,

Aubrey smacked him, though, on that return. I ain't going to lie to you.
The kicker went and got him some.

Yeah, Dallas defense was able to stand up a little bit. They pressured him into throwing the ball into the ground on the second down.
And then the third down,

I think St. Brown, he ended up tripping on that one.
They almost had a pick.

Yeah, that was good defense. Yeah.
Good defense.

That was a good defense. Could have been a pick for show, but had to punt.
Yeah, they ended up punting the ball. I think Dallas, they faked the

fair catch that put them back. And then they had a holding that pushed them back even further they had the double penalty yes they had the double penalty and then they get to third and four

from i think it was like the 10 or 11 and that gets sacked for a safety that's a safety

bro on review they overturned it he said the ball was clearly all the no it was no no the ball is clearly like soon as he starts crumpling i'm like that's a safety for sure dude yes maybe and before the dude hits him he actually steps himself back further yes to protect himself, to cradle the ball, which puts his whole body in the end zone.

Dude, the ball was sitting half and half then. He said clearly all the way out.

There's no way you can say clearly.

Ref need to get their vision checked. That got to be 2020.
That was 2020. That was terrible.
Yeah, that was bad, man. They ended up punting the ball over to...

to Detroit, and I think they ended up getting the ball close to midfield again, like

42. Yeah, something like that.

First down, a little short, a little short thing to give. Second down, it was another seven.

That got him in the first. And then on the first down, they get that illegal shift where they tried to pass to the offensive lineman.

Yeah,

sometimes they try to do a little bit too deep. It was cute when everything was.
It was getting cute right there. It was getting super cute right there.
Second and 13, coming that boy St. Brown again.

26 to the Dallas 8, brother. Great play call.
Way to, to, he widened the man up. You know what I'm saying? Stacked him up, widened him up, made some space on the inside.
Great, though. Great route.

Next play, they do the reverse to Williams. He ends up stepping out

at the one.

Next play, Gibbs finishes it off.

It's three to 10.

So Dallas comes back up out there. And first down, Williams gave him a nice run.
Second down, he ends up.

No, he only got two on second down. So they ended up going to like third and one.

And that completes like that one for the first. I believe the next third down is when CD,

he just breaks a tackle. He'd take it, what was it, 16? 16.
Yep. They went four for five.
They went four for four on those third downs on this drive. Yeah.
Like they kept converting.

After that, they converted two more, two more, you know, two more first downs, just basically staying ahead of the change. That's a sex rate thing.
You know what I'm saying?

They get to the first and 10, I think, on the Dallas, what, fifth, no, sorry, on the 15-yard team. Yep.
And finally, you know, the defense decides they go stand up a little bit.

They get to the third and 10, and they sacking. Yep.
Muhammad's second sack of the day. Yeah, dude.
Like

they were pressuring him all night, dude.

They ended up having to settle for a field goal again.

It's six to ten.

And Detroit gets back out there. And on the second down, they false start.

Yep. The next play, Gibbs gets, I think it was like 13.
Yeah, they put that man out at wide out. Yeah.

Hey, he was doing, he was doing work, bro. Wide out.
He was literally lining up in the slot, saucing people up. Yeah, they get the incompletion on the third down.
They, they going.

That's the, but on that third down, Debo, they thought it was, he thought he had a false start. He thought he had a free play.
No question.

I think he was in a neutral zone, but yeah, it's not neither here nor they. I told you, they vision got to get checked.
Them boys ain't seeing twinky twinky, baby. That was foggy.

They ain't seeing twinky twinkie. That was foggy.
It was the D-tackle was in a neutral zone, in my opinion.

Yeah, I would, yeah, I would, I would, I would have to agree with you, like, especially if you're saying just any part, like, that's

easy for sure. And then the first play, Dallas get up out there, and that

hits CD, I think with like 27. Yep, 37, 38.

And then the next play, he throws a backwards pass.

You know, they actually gave a sack on that, dude. That was like a sack.

Like, they gave a sack on that with a like with a backwards pass. And then I think what they lose on that, like 15 or something? Yeah, I think they lost 16.
They lost 16 yards. 16.
Okay. Yeah.

Third and 21.

He gets it to Ferguson and he fumbles to Boot Rock.

They punched that ball out. No.
Hello. Turnovers hurt.

Turnover.

yeah i think dallas get it at like what the 50 somewhere close around there

and then they go to first play and they get a hold of him

yep then they get a false start with a false start i think it's like second and like 17 second and 19 something like that and guess who golf goes to

jameis Williams. And this is one of the plays I'm talking about too.
Did you see the route? He took off on the ball like it's a fly, like it's a go. When you're a receiver, you got to threaten

you got to threaten him because Jameis Williams, he's fast, he's faster than these DBs, so you better get on your horse and start hauling.

And then, once he sits it down, right, delivering right on time, you can't stop because you're nervous to get taken up top.

You'd rather him catch the ball coming back to the quarterback, but that's a 20-yard stop. You know what I'm saying?

By that time, if he's not, if he's not selling it, DB's chilling, waiting on him to stop like, man, you're not going nowhere.

But you got to press that phase as soon as he presses him hard enough, He'll turn that hip. As soon as he turned that hip, that's his break in.
Yep. Hit that for 24 yards because he dropped it.

He's throwing a 20-yard curl. And you're not expecting once you pass 15, 16, I'm thinking you're going the over out, you're going deep.
You're trying to take me up top. That was beautiful.

And that's some things that I said when pickings, just even if you're not getting the ball, you got to sell fade for everything. You had to feel

last night. Yeah.
You got to. Yeah, I think it was that next

second down. Montgomery bloms that thing 35.

Straight to the middle. I'm trying to tell you, dude.
Points off turnovers. Points off turnovers.
That's the catch. Yes.
Quick tutty.

Easy money. Quick tutty.
It's 6 to 17.

Dallas actually goes and gets a nice return, but they hit a holding call.

Like that, that ended up kicking it back.

And then I think it was like second and five, Dak hit CD again for like 20,

21, something like that. I think they ended up converting maybe like one more first down after that.
And then that next first down is when, you know, they got the P.I.

when they did the PI to the end, they got the hands to the face call. No, I'm talking about the next first down when CD, he

threw the incompletion to CD and he was supposed to be out. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
He got to keep that in bounds. No, no.
What do you think?

I think that was when he actually

hit his head and was supposed to be out of the game, bro. Yes, yes.
Okay, okay, okay. He is supposed to be out of the game.

So keep that in mind, okay? Because they went to the tent, all that, right?

He went to the tent. He did all that.
And you know how the tent go. You ain't coming about the tent.
You was laying down there asleep.

Your fingers was doing it. Yeah, so you know, you're out.
You got to be. That was the obvious concussion.
Okay.

So second to 10, I think they ended up hitting Pickens for nine, which would have put them at a second and one. But this is where they got the face mask, which kicked them back to a second and 25.

They can't overcome that. And, you know, they end up again with another field goal.
Yep. It's nine to 17 now.

And Detroit gets the ball back with 50 seconds, bro.

Second down, Goff to Gibbs is 18. Yep.
First down, they hit St.

saint brown for nine and then on third down and one they get a pi that pushes them for it i think another 13 14 yards they're able to kick a field goal they lucky it wasn't more time on the clock man on the next play with my man the rookie the same one that got the pi he loses his feet he was out there and sometimes you know in the deep as a db i could see he was just a little he was a rookie he was nervous he was getting cooked out there they had him in milada man to man when he was trying to move your feet so fast, you need to let you hit the ground before you.

Your adrenaline's catching yourself so fast, you can't even get your feet up under yourself. So, when he ran the go ball, my man's feet just clipped and he just like exploded in the air and fell.

I was like, Oh my goodness, he got to breathe. His feet is moving too much.
His legs are heavy right now. Yeah, they end up scoring before the half, it's nine to twenty.

Dallas comes back out there in the very first play. Dak is picked off.
That pick, deflection,

dude, that's on this one, he returns it to the 14. Can I tell you one thing about that play? I am going to run him over.

I put my head on him. The linebacker.
Yeah.

I'm going to make him tackle me.

I'm going to. I'm listening.
You got to put that boom on him. I'm going to make him tackle me.
You got to. You got to.
That's the best. That's that.
No.

Run into him. Run through him.

This is your time. This is your time.
This is your time. Yeah.
This is your time. This is your time.
Debo, I feel you. 1000%.

Can I speak on the play? Go ahead, brother.

This is cornerback one by one-on-one. If you're a DB, you want the situation so bad.
It's two by two.

The running back is offset off to the right of the running back, of the quarterback. Once he sends it in motion and goes to a three-by-one, we call this full-flow.

Three by one, four flow, full flow backside slant every db knows this i love the way robinson stepped off gets a little bit inside acts like he doesn't know of the slant coming and this is when you know you have a safety over the top you play you play that press out you back up because that's the route he runs and then you got george pickens over there wide split on the backside of a four by one there's a thousand percent slant so him reading tape him being ready to film study and then i'm looking at dallas like look if dudes know what's coming in if i know i'm looking like oh my god, it's 411, it's a slant coming, it's a slant coming.

And I just was watching, okay, get off, don't let Dak know that you know it's a slant. That was just great plays by the defense and just sprout recognition.
Yeah, they returned it to the Dallas 14.

I think it was only two plays later.

Uh, what's the dude, uh, Taslin, Teslin? Yeah, I kept calling my man Tesla, but it's Tesla, Tesla, Tesla,

Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, Tesla, 12-yard touchdown from Glenn. Another rough day for the rookie corner.
Second man through your zone. He's just looking.
That's the way. You got to take that.

That's your man. He was having a difficult day.
His legs was a little heavy out there. Oh, yeah.
I mean,

you got to

be like that. I've been telling you that DB is not as tricky.
I mean, when you're playing a lot of man-to-man, you're exposed. You're not a defensive lineman just getting hit out of their hole.

That happened every single play. And nobody had no.
DB, you're going to see that. You're going to see your exposure.
Yeah. Well, you can see it if they run on that rock, too.

you're right. You're right.
27 to 9. Now, I think Dallas gets back out there and it was second to seven.
And how does CD Lamb get a ball for 32 when he wasn't supposed to be in the game?

You think he's already a little, he's already, yeah.

They ruled him out after that for a concussion, but he had already, he was concussed

a series or two before that.

That's when they ended up, they ended up ruling him out. But anyway,

that first down, I think Williams gets a nice game for 11.

Next play, it was a holding.

They got a holding penalty, and they get to it. I think it was fourth and five.
They ended up going for it from the seven. Yes.
Or from the eight, or it was at the nine. It was fourth and five.

They ended up getting. Fourth and five, they got it.
George, George's big hands catch, started getting

trying to fight for extra yards. He fumbles the rock.
He got

lucky they recovered it. Thank the Lord.
Because I think if they recover that five, it's ugly. George in the end zone.
It's over with, right? They get the rock. It's a touchback, right?

Yep. Yeah, for sure.
For sure. Yeah.
But they ended up getting that thing. Yeah, they got the first down.
They were able to.

That was huge. It was necessary.
I think they ran it in on the second down. It's back to a game.
27-16. 27-16.

I think Detroit gets back out there. And again, on the third and eight, Gibbs gets somebody to shake him.

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Back hip him. He's running like he had more.

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Like 10 more yards of sideline on him. He was running like they were in the middle of the field.
Like he had a two-way go.

Man, he's about to hit them breaks so hard and you couldn't break.

He just went straight full plank mode, Debo flew by and just stayed there too. I'm like, is he hurt? Right.
Yeah. So, feelings, pride, that was hurt.
The only thing that was hurt with the pride.

Go ahead, get on up, man. Second down, golf hits Williams for 16.
After that, the defense is over to hold up. They attempt a field goal and get it locked.

I was like, whoa.

Now we got a game. Hey, super.
Now we got a real game. Super game.

They end up, I think it was like

second down.

They pick up 18 with Fenoy.

And then

second down, they put,

they got a holding them. They got a holding penalty on second.

They got a hold on the left, second and nine. Knocked it back to second and 19.
yeah and then they got the third and nine that was the offensive pi

uh that was the illegal pick by uh legal pick yeah yep yep yep yep they end up having to settle for a field goal after on that third and nine and third and 19 they threw it to pickens he kind of jogged off i didn't he didn't really know was he running the goal was he running

dj and then you see it you see it you i mean it's it's it's multiple times where you see him not really getting off the line and like the one time dak is like yo press him like that's that's the one off the line and press him and turn off you know what i'm saying yeah make him make him make him fear fade you got to make the db fear fade yeah and uh i think that's when your man hit the 63 yard yeah now they're going hey i'm like 63 yes

yeah easy money

arbitrage the best kick in the league bro oh easily 19 to 27 well he got well well still he's still he doing the indoor and outdoor but it benefits when you when you're home field no it do

I'm not going to punish him for that. No, no, you can't because a lot of them are missing them indoors, too.
Yeah, come on, man. But he's kicking in the turf.
Yeah, Detroit come out there.

Montgomery, he taken the first two downs. I think the first was a nine.
The second was

straight downhill. Yeah, and then they did an illegal formation.

And I think it was, what was it, Goff?

He got Williams again, wasn't it? Like 13. Yeah, Jay, 14-yard joint? Yeah, I think Montgomery, he ran for like maybe two on the second.
Yeah,

he got a false start.

Coming out to the fourth quarter, now we got the start of the fourth. They get a false start there.

I think Montgomery goes maybe,

what was it, 13.

And they declined the offsides. Yep.
And then second down, I think he hits another one for about eight or nine. Yep.

And then it's a holding. Another holding.

Like, they are trying to set themselves back they giving them a chance to self-inflicted wounds yeah they can't recover from it they end up settling for the field goal it's 30 30 to 19 now yep yeah dallas comes out brother what was it three four four plays bro yep four plays and scores a touchdown The first down, Dak scrambles on him for 12.

He didn't even look like he was trying. No, he was chilling.
He just ain't got the speed or the wheels are not turned off or something. No, no, no, that's not trying.
Dak, Dak is smart.

That is like, yeah, I make that. Jackson Dart needs to watch that.
Hey, he needs to watch that. I was gonna say, I was like, he's chilling.
I got 60 million to wait, make sure I'm good.

I got a, I got a long career. Yeah, yeah, Williams, he runs for I think it was 11 yard, 12, something like that.
Okay,

and I think it was second and five, bro.

For Noy,

Detroit busts coverage. Don't know what was going on there.
there. They laid this man wide open.
He goes 42 yards.

I lie to you, not. I think it was just man-to-man.
I think he was just guessing, honestly.

I'm not thinking that's supposed to be safety help because once he saw and he looked back, that was like a damn, I'll guess wrong. You know what I'm saying? So he had to just get back on his horse.

You know what I'm saying? That was just a

get back on his horse.

No, no, bro, you're beat. You're just looking back at that play, hoping it's a safety horse.
He dropped the ball. Hoping he dropped the ball.

Listen, you dropped back, hoping he dropped the ball or they dropped it. Quarterback got hit or sacked.
Because by this point, yes, for sure. I'm bombed.
I'm bombed.

I think that was a man-to-man, like, honestly.

Dallas ends up going for a two-point conversion. They converted.
Now it is a game-game, three-point game, 27 to 30.

Drive of the game right here, in my opinion. Now, look at the game.
Drive of the game and the help of the game.

Detroit did their thing, but Dallas helped them.

Like, you get that third and six. He hits Williams for what was like 29 plus, and also it starts with the kickoff for turner.
Yes, true statement, true statement, true story.

Like I said, they were selling all night,

they were selling all night.

You get that third down, and he completes it for the 29 plus the roughing the passer.

Yep,

so I think was a they was close, so only gave him half the dance with 13 yards.

Yeah,

and then I believe it was Gibbs on that second down, the right dude, the play before, they were like, yeah, they've been bottling Gibbs up for the most part of the night.

In the very next play. Yeah, in the very next play.
Right through the game. He stracked out on him

for a hot 10, for a touchdown.

It's 27 to 37 now, right? Yep. Yep.
Man, Dallas get back out there in the first play.

They sacked this man again.

They was hitting him all night, dude. They were pressing him all night.
Like, for him to get as many yards as he did, man, he did a good job.

The very next down, though, he hits your boy Finoy for 20 again. Finoy, man, he stepped up.
When CD went down, he was out there hooping.

I did not know who Buddy was, but he was snagging the rock every time. Oh, no question, bro.
He was doing, he was doing a real good job. Like you said, I didn't, I was with you.

I ain't, I didn't really know who he was either. I didn't know.
Yeah,

I know his name now.

Maybe like three more first downs after that against, you know, really staying ahead of the chains, doing what they had to do. And then on, I think it was third and three is when it was

the OPI. They declined it.
It could have went the other way. I mean, I seen where he's talking about because he got the little hook on the little arm thing.

He hooked the little thing and did a little twist. He did a little,

it was

as

if it's me, I'm, I'm, you want, you want that call. You want that call.
You want that call. Yes.
You want that call. But normally you ain't getting that call.

You're normally not getting it because he had a little bit, but like, you know, just swing bys, blow bys, swing throughs over the shoulders.

Like if you had him rocking too much, you as a DB, as a linebacker, you got to stay a little bit more inside leverage. He had you rocking.
So then like it's kind of more of a swing through.

So I could see, I don't, I think he's, I think it's a bang bang. You let that play.
If you let him do that. You know what I'm saying?

I think you let the offensive player do that and then you let the DB. He didn't really even hook him.
He kind of like touched him, then didn't really change his momentum.

That's just a no call for him. Like, I don't think you can be.
Dude, he went to the ground. He was about to go to the ground.
That's why he had to hook him.

That was enough to throw him off, brother. No, no.
I got to go with it, man. Listen,

they got to settle for the field goal. It's the right call, baby.
You're okay.

I'm okay with that on the defensive side. No, I'm okay with that on the offensive side.
He grabbed him. He grabbed him.
He grabbed him, Debo. Look at me.
I'm changing. I'm a corner.
I feel you.

I need to be alone. I'm with you, Debo.
Right. It was a good thing.
What are you doing, bro? OPI. OPI all day.
Detroit got,

I think they had the Detroit 11, so they settled for a field goal. 32, 37, still a one, still a one-score game.
And again,

return game. They sell.
Kennedy goes

42 yards.

Left into the 49-yard line, brother.

Standing midfield. Second and nine.
Goff hits St. Brown, and this man goes 37.

Yep. The very beautiful play.

The man they've been keeping bottled up, supposedly, strikes out again for 13 for a touchdown. Boy,

I thought that was almost a submission defense. I thought they almost like let him score.
That's what it looked like, how easy it was.

I'm not about to let you score up.

Me, we already down. I'm just saying.

You're down 14 now. It's 30 to 44.
He almost walked in the end zone. I'm just saying it looked, and they might not have been trying to let him score, but it looked rather easy.
Yeah.

I mean, hell, Dallas only got the ball with like, what 210 left,

and then they go to the fourth, they get to the fourth down of 10. They say they didn't get it, they reversed that rule, they got

yeah, he was on it. Yeah, that's no question, that's no question.
I think first down, Dak hits uh turpin for 21,

and then Ferguson again, I think it was 15.

Dak gets sacked for the third time by Muhammad. Come on, man,

you know,

and then second down, yo how did reed get that that's the craziest i don't know what my man dj

i love dj reed we worked out together out in la

great great dude he hits me up you know what i'm saying and like that's my one of my young bulls love him to death he had a tough day out there and he deserved that pick he needed that pick he needed that he was out there in a lot of man to man you playing out there man it was and they were they was going at him too now they was going smack at my boy but you know

they putting him in man to man as he was verse cd it could be tough out there modest single high so yes i was so happy he got that pick was able to close that thing out rough day with a pick ends it up y'all win you know what i'm saying ends up with a good day dj

yeah

dallas uh well detroit they nail it out it's it's over with yep so detroit they did a good job but i'm gonna say this dude dallas special teams was selling big time like they helped them tremendously and then you add on top top of it you know the three turnovers and not being able to convert in the red zone i think they were only one of three they ended up losing cd and on top of that the offensive line couldn't protect dak you know obviously detroit gets credit for that because the defense stepped up i think they had five sacks five sacks total 11 times you know detroit's offense did a good job mixing it up like like the timing their their flow the rhythm like

They were able to do what they needed to do. Gibbs was only 12 of 43, but that was three touchdowns.
He also had another seven receptions for 77. Then Montgomery was six of 60.

10 a hit. He got a touchdown.
For the most part, the offensive line kept golf clean. That allowed him to go, what, 25 of 34 for 308, for 308 and a touchdown, 309.
Yep. And Williams, seven for 96.
St.

brown six for 92 like it's going to be very difficult for people to cover both of these guys and have them on the field together or with the you know the double running back combination when these guys are healthy dude

like facing this team is it's going to be hard and Detroit didn't even go for it on one fourth down. No, they did not.
Thank you.

They did not. They did a great job job of making sure.
Maybe they didn't learn. Let's punt the rock.
Yes, ain't nothing wrong with the rock. That won't hurt.

It was not like a, let's not turn over the ball and put on. And look what your special teams did for you.
Special teams.

That was an overall team performance. I wouldn't say, I would say their defense still didn't play as great.
They put them in a lot of tough positions.

There's a lot of man-to-man to be played out there. So you're dependent on your D-line.
You need Muhammad. You need Hutchinson to be able to get after that quarterback.

So I think with Branch getting hurt, you know what I'm saying? That's going to be a little tough. They need everybody they have.
DJ Reed, he could play a little bit.

He had a tough game, you know what I'm saying? But that's a lot. That's man-to-man on CD.
They're asking a lot of you. So, being able to stand up, my man Robertson, he's a great player.

I love the way he played. Being able to be smart, being able to make those plays, being able to understand situational football.
Oh, it's four by one. It's flow.
I'm going to line off.

I'm going to be able to act like I don't. know what's going on and be able to make a play here.

Punching the ball out, Campbell. You know what I'm saying? So don't let him read your mail.

Don't let them read your mail. Yes, I think a lot of the time guys don't get into that

focus. And sometimes, like you said,

as a corner, you could do it by yourself a lot of the times out there by disguising.

But when you're trying to disguise and you're a linebacker or you're someone that's in coordination with someone that's going to be taking your coverage, you got to make sure they're on the same page as you so that when you're out there, you know, like I said, sitting on two, making like you're covering him, make sure you're safety date.

And when he sees you take off, let him roll up.

You know, that way the quarterback has less time, and now he got to read it on the run.

Yep. The Lions, man, it just, the Lions' offense, they had a little bit of everything too.

Like you said, you have both running backs that can run the ball so well, they can catch it out of the backfield. Then you have Jameson Williams, you have Amras St.
Brown, you have

he was supposed to be out. He was supposed to be out.

He's not, he's catching bang eights, you know what I'm saying, saying? Right on time. And when you run those play actions, they mean something.
Because St.

Brown, I mean, because Gibbs could be running that. Gibbs could be getting a handoff.
Montgomery could be getting that handoff.

So when you play actions, that linebackers coming up, it's open down the middle of the field. And these receivers, Jameson Williams, running good routes, taking off like it's a go route.

I didn't see him really lollygagging. You know what I'm saying? So like these dudes are running.

Every play, you got to give it 100, especially, you know, when you're talking about every person, no matter what your job is, your job is built off of somebody else being able to do their job correctly and if you're coming out here and you lax days going your approach because you don't think something is going to go your way and you don't get a effort that you need to now when it actually ends up coming your way you're not even ready to make the play or able to

you got every play man you just got to get you got to get it and then like with them too the special teams debo my man tom kennedy If you don't have to go 80 yards, it makes it a lot easier to make a drive a lot quicker.

You know what I'm saying? A couple runs, a couple couple first downs. We're already in field goal range, you know what I'm saying?

So, that whole team being able to put themselves in good positions, the special teams, like we said, the Cowboys sold, but that dude, Tom Kenny, he was hitting those joints every time they was at the 50-yard line.

You starting from the 50, you damn got points, especially when you got the weapons that he got. Yeah, yeah, dude.
Um,

I think uh

we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna get to my, we're gonna get to my Steelers, but before that, we said, uh, Dan on his uh on his podcast he said uh it's time for uh a foster i think we got it can we got the video

maybe a fresh start for him is what's best whether that's in the pros whether maybe go be penn state's head coach you know what he would do in penn state he'd probably go win national championships i legit

because he's a great recruiter that's what i was saying was i having a conversation we probably had to say probably or i was having this conversation the other day i'm like coach t in college would be one of the greatest college football coaches

what What do you think? You agree with that?

I believe Coach T can coach wherever he wants. He's a great, in my mind.

I think he would be a great recruiter, but at the end of the day, I don't think Coach T is wanting to deal with kids and go and

do all of that stuff. I think Coach T has been dealing with grown men, you know what I'm saying? Being able to, you know what I'm saying, you control what you can control.

That's the one thing I do love about Coach T. He does treat you like an adult.
You know what I'm saying? And you think he can win a championship at Penn State?

I don't

put it past him. With his coaching ability, if he wants to do it, I think he could definitely do it.

I just think personally for Coach T, I think he could be able to still go to another NFL team in a great situation like Andy Reid. He left the Eagles.
Oh, no question, dude.

If they were to let him go today, he'd have it.

Oh, no, for sure.

There's no disrespect.

A thousand percent. But I think he could do it.
I just don't know if he would want to.

And just all the other nuances that come with recruiting kids and like having to do the main thing and keep continuing to recruit them. I think he's more.
NIL, all that. NIL, all that stuff.
Yeah,

it's a different, it's a different

background.

Right now, dude. Yeah.

Yeah. What do you think? You think a different animal? I don't, I don't, be honest with you.
I think

he could be successful for sure. But how successful that could be, dude,

the background to change.

Like, you know, you get a player and he doesn't you know he doesn't like what's going on in year one year two he can be gone he can go transfer you know what i'm saying and and be out of there and so i mean it's just it's it's a different you know it's a different landscape and you know i i would definitely not want to be in college football especially at the like big levels even the small levels because you're going to lose like if you're at a smaller d1 and you get a guy you know and you you build him up you're going to lose him you're molding him for the texas right for the Alabama.

I mean, that's that's just, you know, that's just what it is now in this, you know, in this landscape. So, but, um, the Stillers are playing the Ravens.
Now,

listen, yes, I know I said, I know I said I lost hope, but I can't help but hope.

I don't know why.

So, I do know why. I do know because you love it.
Historically, we do play the Ravens well. Okay,

Like minus the last, the playoff game and, you know, maybe the last game we played them in 2024. You know, if you look back, I think go to maybe 21,

I think we're like six and two, regular season.

Okay. That's six and two regular season.
Like

we play well against Lamar for the most part. So that's what that that's that's one of the things that that gives me hope.
And then

the way the Ravens offense has been playing the last few weeks, I feel like we can win this game, but the defense has to stop the run.

We have to stop Derrick Henry and Lamar.

And

I just feel like right now,

you know,

they're not playing too well. So I think we got an opportunity.
But

we also better be prepared to face the formation that the bills ran on us in and do the exact same personnel because this is a copycat league and if that is not fixed i promise you they're going to run that at least a half a dozen times before they go away from it because it's going to be a lot harder to tackle derrick henry coming off like that than it is with cooks And you got a DB trying to tackle Derrick.

It ain't about getting attacked. We might lose a DB, dude like and if they don't do it like if if the ravens don't even try it or do it

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And have success.

And again, the offense can't turn the ball over. And we have to have some sort of success on the offensive side.
Rather, it's running, passing.

We have to find a way to win. You're bringing up the time.
We got to find a way to win time of possession, bro. We got to.

We got to at least try and get the defense some time to rest. Debo, you're acknowledging the offense exists.
I have to. I appreciate this.

We have to, though. We have to.
You know, we have to. Because I'm hoping the same thing.
I'm hoping the same thing. I'm thinking with the defense, understanding Lamar Jackson is not 100% right now.

You know what I'm saying?

He isn't being able to, he doesn't, even if he doesn't choose to, he's not running the ball the way that he was running the ball normally, like taking off, being able to get it.

Not saying that he can't, but we need to make sure that we.

But we got to make sure we don't have that same game plan that we had in the playoffs where we got our outside linebackers crashing down and trying to get to a dive and you leaving Lamar and a one-on-one with the sake.

That's not going to happen. That's not.
No, that's not. I understand.
We need to, I understand with the schematics that you're talking about.

We can change, we can switch that up, but I'm just saying we need to still go eight in the box. There's not, I'm not liking them.
Make them have to beat us with the pass game through the air. Yes.

Cover threes, single. Make Lamar beat us through the air.
Make Lamar beat us through the air.

Make defense contain rushing lanes. Don't let him get in and out.
They're not really going to be out there beating us man-to-man one-on-one. Or if they do,

I like it. Let's do it.
I'm taking. Yes,

I'm taking that. I'm taking it all day.

I'm putting eight in the box. We don't want to see Derrick Henry and when we get down, we want to win first down, win second down.
They're third and longs.

I like to see them pass the ball and we contain Lamar in there and make it fold in the pocket. Let's do that.
If that's the case, I like us to go out there and win.

Then you said offense too, don't turn the ball over. Be able to get some run game going.
You know what I'm saying? Get the ball to Washington.

Get the ball to DK. Once you get that run game going, those play actions will work.
Bang, hit it in the middle. We have Washington.
We have DK. Let's use them.
Let's get the ball to Gainwell's hands.

Like offense, like you said, matriculate. Don't turn it over.
Don't hurt us. You know what I'm saying? Just make sure, you know what I'm saying? Keep it tight.
It's going to be. cold.

It's going to be wet. It's going to be sloppy.
So time of possession, being able to just have the ball, keeping it out of their hands, you know what I'm saying, is going to be good.

So ugly win, just go out there and win.

Nobody's looking for a pretty win, but we just know we don't want the ball to be getting ran down our throats where they just walking it down and there's nothing we can do. Right.
It's first and 10.

Now it's second and three. Now it's another first down.
Now it's like you can't get your feet under you. You know what I'm saying?

So even with them, like us two, Debo, if they're coming out in 11 personnel, bump it. We're still going base because hey, we got to

bump that third receiver they got.

Hell with him. We're going to take a safety going to cover him something, but we're not going to bring another little guy.

We want to stop the run and then we're going to be able to cover them with our three dbs that's out here or our other strong safety that's in the box we're not just going to like so many little bodies and another nickel nah nah because he's going to get thrown off the club and we wonder why why so many gaps no you gotta be able to make they're not used to having to come and down and fill into the line like that's not that's not what they you know that's not what they do yes

on occasion but if it started getting random play what 30 times 30 times you're gonna have to do it like come on they're gonna have to we got to get that stopped man and like you said the offense has to do something.

But I guess Pat Fryermoose said that

everyone shows up for a film session.

What do you think of him saying that? So now, my thing is this.

If he's saying that, that everyone shows up, then in essence, he's calling Aaron a liar.

And how

do you think

that? is going to

how you think aaron is going to take that you know when it really comes down to it like

so when the media goes to Aaron, he's like, well, you know, Pat said that everyone shows up. So

you're either wrong

or

you're lying.

I know Aaron Rodgers ain't going to be talking about like,

I'm lying or I ain't going like.

I don't know why Aaron would say it if it wasn't true. And I don't understand why Pat would come out and say that what Aaron said wasn't true.
Like right now,

you could have an issue in a locker room, dude.

Like this is not, again, when I said early in the season, dude, I was like, as long as they're winning, the relationship with the Stillers, Mike Tommy, Aaron Rodgers,

it's going to go good. The relationship with Aaron Rodgers and Mike Town and the Stillers, it'll go good.
Right now, we're at a point where this could start going bad.

And now we got some deception right here. We got one person saying one thing, another person saying something else.
You know,

I think it could start to get ugly. You know, you drop this game.
Who knows what, you know, the oppressor looks like. What do you, how do you feel about

Fire Mooth coming out and saying that? And

what's your thought? What do you think?

I think, I don't think Aaron Rodgers is lying about people missing the meetings. I think with Fire Move is saying that, I mean, I think if A-Ryl would have respond, it would be,

I didn't say you, it wasn't you, FireMove. You were in the meetings.
You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think he's just directly talking to him.

he didn't say he said everyone shows up for film sessions that is his he said everyone shows up

well like he was directly talking to the media when they at everyone shows up for film sessions unless everyone shows up he's saying maybe i don't know i would hope i i don't know i think he was saying like everyone shows up now I don't think, I just don't think Aaron Rodgers will lie about people missing the meetings.

And I would just think Fire Move is trying to. Okay.
and what were i talking about early in the season where the dolphins were talking about they were having meetings look where we at now

and then someone says they're not having the meetings now you got people pointing fingers yeah no you pointing at me you pointing at me who

like yeah it's it's it's not it's not good obviously um

but yeah i mean i i it just it's just it's just messy it's messy because it's making air

about who are you talking about? Then he says everyone's showing up. I don't know.
It just for me, you know what I'm saying?

What was the question? Asked the fire move because he's like bringing up. They was like, hey, who's, is everyone not showing up to film sessions?

And then fireman was like, no, everybody's showing up to film sessions. It's like, then it's the next question.
Well, A-Rod said, people aren't showing up to film sessions.

Like, it just makes more and more questions. Like, it's going to, yes, it's going to get messy.
It's going to get messy. You know, like we don't, we are not doing well on the offense.

And that's a combination of, I think, more old coordinator than anything else. And then players not making plays when the opportunities hit, you know, presenting.

You know, you go and you look at Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers, and their stats are similar. Do we got the stats for them, too? From like

their

stats

are similar, brother.

And then even if you jump back, dude, and you look at... You look at Justin Fields.
I think Justin Fields had only started maybe

like six games or something. But again,

quarterback rating was like a 93, 94 or something like that, 1,100, 1,200 yards.

Off his quarter got to go.

What you're running ain't working. Everybody looking the same.
We got three quarterbacks. Everybody looking the same in the same timeframe with the same amount of games.

And then look, 11 games is not a small

bit of games. And like I said, the same thing.

Look at Justin Fields. He had six,

11, 1,200 yards, 93, 94 quarterback rating.

We're looking at the same thing. Yeah.

They got it. Yeah,

that's the same. That's the same.
And they're not the same man. That's a play call.
And we got to open up the playbook.

We got to have people like when you, when I was watching the game the other day, like when we were watching the Lions and you're watching the, and you're watching the Cowboys, just the playbooks.

Do you see them going downfield? Dak still through for, even though we threw one pick, it it was 370 something. You know what I'm saying? Awesome chill.
And my man, golf, through for 309.

Like very, very efficient. 25 completions for 309.
It's not like, and that's just another day of the office. You know what I'm saying?

They're throwing the ball down the field.

I don't, bro.

And every quarterback is doing the same thing.

Three different levels of quarterbacks now.

There's no way you're going to tell me we just got bad players, black quarterback play, bad offensive, all that.

And everybody's looking the same, under the same.

Come on.

It's a lot of route tree because you look at them too. You see Jameis and these dudes running different routes.
You see Amaras St. Brown running.

We're running on the outside of the field. I think we are allergic to the middle of the field.
It's something in there that, I don't know, somebody go catch the cooties or something. I don't know.

I don't know what's going on, brother. And I think they may not be respecting our play action because you got to think that they're going to run it first.

You can't respect the play action if you're not running the boss. 100%.
That's why the back's not open. So you got to, yeah.
We just got to step. That's not going to happen.

Let's get over here to clean it, man.

We got some sound on what Jerry Judy said. You got that? Play that video for us, please.
Probably talk to him off-camera. You know,

that's probably what I would have done differently. You know,

of course, I'm going to speak with mine and tell me what and say what I need, what I see out there.

But, you know,

it is what it is. Football, man, just me and Shadoga good.

You know, stuff like that happens.

You know, y'all going to make it bigger than what it is, you know, because the media, you know, and that's what y'all feed off of negativity, you know, but it is what it is. This is the life you live.

So,

you know, we move on from it. And I live in real life.
You know, so what happened around in this locker room, you know, just real, not what's going on on social media and everything.

So me and Shadog good, everything good, man. We're great, real build.

How you like that response?

Joe, Joe.

I hear you. I'm thinking.
You thinking? How you like that response, Stebo? I like the response. I ain't gonna lie to you.
Like, I ain't got no problem with it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, he's just saying he would have approached it differently. I mean,

he's not really thinking that the cameras is looking ain't nobody thinking the cameras looking at you when you're talking to somebody on the sideline.

Y'all going over what's, you know, what's going on. And the big issue that we had was just, if you go get that energy, just do it, give it to everybody else.

He just said, yo, I should have did it differently. Cool.
But again, I understand, yes, the media over there, their media, yes, they're trying to make a big deal of everything.

Them dudes just looking for clickbait and everything else.

Yeah.

Him saying it, yeah, you might, you ain't have to say it.

You could have just left it going and just been like, yo, yeah, I'll handle it different next time or blah, blah, blah, and left the media out of it and don't even give them any,

attention. Yep, I'm not mad at all at the way that he handled it.
Um, it's just

I think that he realized too, at the end of the day, like you're losing games, people are always going to try to pick the negativity from us outside perspective.

I like to start doing this because I really want to give just an honest opinion. Like, I don't give a damn what, like the bad, the good.
I just want to be able to speak.

Well, you're giving honest opinions, though. Give me your honest opinion on this Tennessee Titans Browns game.

What's the preview? Tell me. I like the Browns.

1,000%. 1,000%.
1,000%.

I think that this is going to be a big game for the Browns. Tennessee's offense isn't doing too well.
Ward is not out there with the most weapons, with a lot of help.

I think our defense is going to be out there smothering Ward. He's not going to have too much of a chance.
Like, Miles might go get him three. You know what I'm saying?

Denzel Ward might get him a pick. It's just going to be a lot of

19 right miles at 19 miles 19 he get 25 he could he could be a 25 you're saying you're trying to get you one might as go get six and

i'm gonna

get six i know he's gonna at least get three if he miles you don't get six and you ain't you ain't the dude i thought you would buddy you're it's easy that's that uh

you're trying to get him going thank you debo i like that i like that give him some uh i like seeing i like seeing sapphire

tennessee defense is not good dude i think they're like 25th wow the offense makes them look way better. They're dead last.

All the defense need to do is keep doing what they're doing.

The offense needs to just have success. Like, this right here is the team that you need to actually help you improve.

Like, they're

dead last. Hey, listen, I'm trying to tell you.
I think this is the game where Shador goes ahead and has him a nice game. Of course, you do Junkins, Jenkins, Junkins, Junkins, whatever.

Junkins go get, he go, he go get him 100 plus. Got to.

It's set up. It's perfect.
Like it's going to be probably, this could be the best game the Browns have had in the last, I don't know how many years, man. It's set up for it.
It's set up for success.

It's set up for us to really go out there and ball out. I'm just hoping too, like the offensive, like it starts with the offensive line.

It starts with the offensive line on the offensive line, defensive line.

I know our our defense is going to hoop, but on the offensive side, if our offensive line can get Jutkins going, protect Shador a little bit, and accept Shador. We got to make.

Dude, the defense is not.

They should be able to. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

The defense is going to do it. I'm just saying for the offensive.
I'm talking about the offense. Their defense is

what, 24, 25? Dude, it's set up for them to have a successful game. Like, this is go, go.

This time, I believe this game. Yeah, I think this game is going to be a good one, bro.
It's gonna be a real good game.

Dude, it's going

to be a good one. I'm trying to tell you.
I'm going deep. I'm going to get that set up, brother.

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I think this is going to be the game that Shadeau will go ahead and get him 200. He's going to get him 200 passing.
Okay.

He's going to get into it. Listen, Junkins going for a buck and some chains.
I got them two for Mo. That's going to be easy.
And I ain't going to lie to you.

I'm hoping I lose this.

I got Derrick Henry for Mo.

Famo.

82. I got him for Mo.

D, I got him for Moe. I'm saying he go run for a buck and some chains.
What you gonna do? Stand up, drop your nuts?

Amen. That's crazy.

You gonna fade this, Joe. Man, Debo.

Am I messed up if I, if I, like, it's just the bottom one? You really feel, you really feel like that's gonna happen, or is this you playing mind games? i feel like it's gonna happen

i can't how many times ain't he got a hundred against us that he played i think it's only once

should i play should i fade i i love everything about this except for the last one

why you go fade me then joe Tell me why, Joe.

Because I believe that they know that's the only reason

that's the only way. We're going to stop the run.
The only way we're going to beat the Ravens because we're going to stop the run. You going to fade your boy?

You fading your boy?

Just say it, Joe. I'm going to fade you, Debo.
I'm going to fade you, bro. Wow, Joe, go fade me.
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Let's get it. Hey, man, look, we in the super chap.
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Hey, we appreciate you now. We appreciate you.
Okay?

It says, Debo, you are a lion. When I was fighting triple state, triple,

when I was fighting stage three breast cancer, your workouts helped.

No, I didn't do them, but in my mind, I knew I had to push and fight and use you.

And just as you were doing lifting all those weights, Joe, you are just a person of great class.

You're just a person of great class, Joe. Thank you.

Thank you. Hey, we really appreciate you.

I hope, you know, I hope everything turns out right. I'll be praying for you.
Prayers first and foremost. Joe and myself will be praying for you.
For sure. Yes.
Yeah.

Hopefully everything will turn out right and, you know, just put it all in God's hands and you can't go wrong there. Yeah, for sure.
Appreciate you coming in life always. Yes.
Keeping my prayers.

Stay prayed up. And yeah, appreciate you for watching the show, though.
Real talk, man. Yes.
Thank you guys for joining us again on this episode of Debo and Joe.

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We will be back here on Monday, Joe.

Come on, man. I just want to let y'all know, thank you guys for joining the Debo and Joe show.
We appreciate it. Just continued blessings if you guys keep watching us, man.
It means a lot.

Thank you so much. And we will see you guys on Monday.

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