Club Shay Shay - Jess Hilarious Part 1

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When you got the job, Ojo and I on nightcap was talking about it. And I said some comments and went viral I said that you know hey Ocho she nice she nice so if I offended you I want to take the time out to say I apologize that was not my intent I didn't and I don't ever want someone to feel uncomfortable with my comments so that's why I wanted to take the time to say I apologize for what I said oh no it's okay and that means you got some good eyes on you that's just all that mean you know ain't nothing with it Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay.
I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay.
And today, we're at Spotlight LA. Stopping by for conversation on a drink today, she's made a name for herself on the comedy circuit, spreading laughter both online and off.
She quickly became one of the biggest rising stars in the industry, performing the sold-out shows nationwide. A true force to be reckoned with in the world of entertainment.
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A popular personality, an actress, an entertainer, content creator, a savvy businesswoman,woman and a loving mother a fearless and a fearless co-host of the insanely popular award-winning syndicated morning talk show the breakfast club she's just with the mess but our news is real here she is ladies and gentlemen the one and only very funny just hilarious thank you you better run it down i like that you like that i like that i tell people when they come on the show i i don't give people what they deserve i give them what they earn and everything that was written on this card you've earned so congratulations thank you so i don't know if you drank or not you drink i drank i did one day but what is this what we got here this is my cognac it's an award-winning cognac uh we won the sip award in 2022 which means a blind taste test taste test. We line up cups and all the other cognacs.
And people say, you know, we like, hey. So we beat all the popular.
We don't have the name of it, but you know the cognac. And we beat them in a taste test.
So I want to toast you. All right.
I think it's been about a year since you've been the co-host of the Bisciclid, right? Yes, it has been a year. And welcome your second child.
Yes. So for a loving mother and everything that you've accomplished and will continue to accomplish.

Thank you.

Now, you know, I'm going to tell you the truth.

If this is good, I'm going to let you know because I don't care how many words it wants.

Go ahead.

I don't care.

It's all about taste.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

It's smooth.

It's smooth because I was ready to be expanding.

I'm going to have to change the formula.

All right.

But no, it's good.

It's good. Well, thank you very much.
No problem. Thank you for stopping by Club Shee Shee.
Yep. Baltimore.
Mm-hmm. Born and raised.
Born and raised. Yes.
Y'all got an accent, though. I mean, what's really cool? Yeah, we do.
I mean, you know, I'm from rural South Georgia. People bag on me.
Yeah. I've had a glow on.
And you know glow from Memphis, bro. Yes.
But let me ask you this, Jess. How important is it for you to embrace how you talk, the way you dress, the way you sound? How important is that for you to embrace who you are to remain authentic to who you are? I mean, it keeps me relatable.
And, you know, that's how I got to where I am, being unapologetically me. You know, yes, we do have a strong accent.
The you, the do, the two. We say hot dog instead of hot dog right what you doing all that yeah you know people love as much fun as people make about the accent they love it everywhere I go they like to hear me say things and everything like that but the Baltimore will never die me you know I've lived in LA I've lived in Atlanta I've lived uh New Jersey New York but you know Baltimore.
You know, I got to stay grounded. When I first got into the media space, I got on television.
I went to all these people to try to change my dialect because I talk with a heavy colloquial dialect from rural South Georgia. But once I realized that that's not who I am, I needed to embrace.
And then once I really like heard Charles Barkley, I was like, man, Charles accent is worse than mine. He from he from Leeds, Alabama.
Yeah. And once I embraced who I was, people embraced who I was.
Yeah. Do you think that's that's that's of the utmost? Because if you lose who you are, that's your identity.
Just talking to do and the dog. That's who you are.
And if you lose sight of that, you kind of lose who lose sight of who you actually are. Yeah..
Now, when I go to Baltimore, I get a little bit more Baltimore than I am outside of Baltimore, but it will never completely die in my dialect. No, it won't.
Who has the thicker accents, Memphis or Baltimore? Memphis. Memphis.
Oh, my baby. I love Glob.
Oh, my baby. Oh, Moneybagg.
yo. Oh, my God.
NLE Chopper. I think NLE Chopper, he don't sound as Memphis as the rest of them.
Yeah. He don't.
He don't. So that's the one that come.
He's one of the ones that don't really get to Memphis. Yeah.
But Glow. Glow.
Oh, my God. Sometimes I be like, what's she say? But that's my baby.
I love her. And she quaint me something.
You country. I'm like, Glow, really? Uh-huh.
Really you country i like low really uh-huh let me all these famous people from baltimore jada pickett kashan rock monique carmelo mario sisco javani davis phelps bay rue thurgood marshall billy holliday montel williams what what are some what are you thinking what is it about baltimore and and and that so many of these people were able to leave Baltimore and become what we know them as today. We're telling it, you know, we're like diamond in a rough city.
You know what I mean? It's a lot of that. We're overlooked a lot because we're we're known as, you know, you're not D.C.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know where and then people only know? Yes, yes. Which is still one of my favorite TV shows of all time.
I'm telling you, not Power Not Touching Wire. The Wire, who else? But B&M, none of those shows.
Now, you know Fiddy going to come for us now. Well, who? Me and you, because he going to get mad at me.
He going to get mad at me because I allowed you to say it on this platform. He going to come for you because you going the power is not touching the wire oh well i said it before and i said it again 50.
now he can try to redo the wire and cast me if he want to but other than that the wire is his favorite damn show oh really so yeah i'm yeah monique uh gave you some love how did that make you feel when monique because monique is Before you answer that, is Monique misunderstood? What do people get wrong? Because I'm thinking that you have kind of a better relationship with her than most. What do people get wrong about Mo? Man, listen, that is a hardworking woman.
That's somebody that paved the way for all of Baltimore, not even just on a comedy sense. Like she, she's unapologetically her.
Yeah. And yeah.
And when she's done wrong, you're, you're going to hit and you're going to hear about it. She ain't letting them slide until you make it right with her.
Yes. That's the thing.
Cause when you make it right, she's good. Yep.
She's a loving person. person you know what i mean like and and she uplift me every chance she get listen i remember i opened up for her one time right and when i opened up for her i wasn't i wasn't going through anything or anything like that and that woman hugged me right before she went on stage because i opened up for her she hugged me and i just cried like it was like it's one of them hugs that i got you i'm here for you you're doing great keep doing what you're doing f the naysayers and you know what i mean so yeah she is misunderstood but she's also been done wrong too and and she's also understood but i think a lot of a lot of what she's been through has been neglected by those who caused that harm to her and and and she just wants she just wants to make it right like she wanted them to make it right she shouldn't have had to go through go to this platform and go to this extreme and go to that extreme to hear to be heard about things that that you know she's felt that she's been slighted a lot why is it uh just that when you think when people do you wrong the first thing they say move on get over it you notice that yeah yeah why do you think that is why can't people just embrace like bro if i say you this is what you've done okay just acknowledge don't tell me i need to get over it yeah you need to apologize yeah why is it so hard is it so hard for people to apologize? Because it's not done to them.
You know what I mean? Like if it's not done to you, you don't really feel it unless you're done wrong. You know what I'm saying? And I've been done wrong as well, you know, and sometimes I let it roll off my back, you know, and sometimes now you won't pay for that.
You know, depending on depending on what you did. You know what I mean? And depending on if I want to move on from it or not, because everything don't deserve, you know, your time and energy to go back and forth with it.
You know, but some things like now you're going to feel what you did to me. Right.
You know, grew up in Baltimore, two parent household. How was that? Amazing.
Really amazing. My parents, they were married up until a few years ago.
But me and my brother, Kevin, we got to grow up in a loving household. Our dad worked.
Our mom worked as well. Like, both of them worked, and they gave us what they could.
We grew up in West Baltimore City, you know, Emerson Avenue, West Baltimore. And they were able to give us what they didn't have.
You know what I mean? So, yeah. Is it, was it the situation, were they strict? Were they disciplinarians? One was strict, one was a disciplinarian, and one was lenient.
My mom, she's deacon of the church. I'm telling you, we was raised in church.
We go to church Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday, you know, and then my dad, on the other hand, Nah, that was the, he was the DJ. He's the one that taught me all the music I know.
I have such a wide variety of music that I listen to, you know, and then he's where I get my funny from. Like, my dad is like the comic of the family.
But yeah, two different, but it's balance. Right.
Balance. That's, boy, you talk about here and here, the two Ds, one's a deacon, the other's a DJ.
How did that happen? Yeah, yeah. Well, my dad was a Marine.
He went to the Marines, and he and my mom met in high school. Okay.
And he married her right out of high school, you know, right before he went to the Marines. And they'd just been together.
And I think they got married so young, they didn't really get to live the single life and to date and see what's out there. My mom has always been like just a one man woman and just a lover.
And my dad, he didn't get to live out that bachelor life. And so that's what kind of like deterred the marriage, you know, later, later, later.
Yeah. Looking back on that, how important do you think that was to have two parents and to have a loving environment to, to let you know with, if and when you decided to get married, we'll get into that a little later.
And you decided to have kids, what was important? Man, just the structure of my household, you know, um, no household is perfect. No two parents are perfect.
Yeah, I had the perfect balance. But still, there were things that, you know, that every household has to endure, you know.
But as both of my parents relate to me today, I am happy that they instilled in me, like, how to raise my children. You know what I mean? They never let us see certain things growing up like when dad was broke and he you know He we never knew that until I got older and he sat us down talked to us When y'all had the latest tennis shoes and y'all was you know And they made us earn everything but when y'all were walking around looking good and everything No, my bank account was low.
You know, these are conversations that my parents waited until my brother and I were grown to have, you know. And then my mom opened up to me about her being unhappy, you know, the last, what, 10, no, 8 years of the marriage, you know what I mean? And fidelity played a part in it.
And then how my dad just, he didn't want to leave because he still, that was the of his life he just still didn't get to fulfill that you know dating and they got when you get married young and so many things high school like 18 19 yes yes stay together until you fit in your 50s and 60s you want to see what bbls okay well this is okay cool this is nice all right bitches can buy the's okay. You know, it's a lot of new things.
Did your parents, did you see your parents argue? Did they argue in front of you? No, never. I've never seen my parents argue ever with each other.
No, I did not. So in other words, and I read this quote, they say what you crave as a child, you overcompensate as a parent.
Hmm, my son have seen me and his father go at it. My son has seen me eat his father up.
I ain't going to lie. I done got into it physical with the dad.
Man, me and Rome, that's my son's father. My son's name is Ashton.
That's your oldest dad, your oldest child. Yeah, my oldest child, Ashton.
He's 12 now. His dad, his name is Rome.
And me and Rome done been through it. We have been through it

but we are

really, really good

friends and family today.

But yeah,

I ain't take that rule

from my parents.

You left that part out.

Uh-huh.

Very much.

I did.

I left it out.

You went to a,

I mean Baltimore

and you went to a

predominantly white high school.

I did.

How was that?

It was scary at first. I ain't even gonna lie.
My mother had pulled me away from Baltimore City Public Schools and was like, no, I want better for my child. And my dad was on board.
My dad was like, ah, he was kind of going back and forth with it. Like, I don't want to just pull her from what she knows.
She got her friends here. She's into sports here.
She's doing things. She has her life here.
I don't know if we should, but but at the end of the day they they did they were making a great decision and i'm glad that my mom did that i'm glad that my my dad went on ahead with it because a lot of things i learned you know i'm well-rounded because of that it it it was scary i at first i was acting like they was being racist and they wasn't i was like somebody just called me and my mom was like no they didn't i was like are you right but i just don't want to go to school oh my they they they don't know how to dance everybody want me to teach them how to dance and then i became one of the most popular kids in the high school i was at that time because it was york pennsylvania yeah at that time it was only i think i was like one out of 12 black students in the school the school had about I don't know, I would say 10,000 kids? Yeah, it was like the size of a

university. one out of 12 black students in the school.
The school had about, I don't know, I would say 10,000 kids. Yeah, it was like the size of a university, like a college.
Yeah, and it was a middle high school. So Dallas Town Area High School, it was in Pennsylvania.
And it was scary at first, but I'm glad that I stayed. It's funny that you said that because my my my daughter's mom had the opposite.
She was at a private school that was predominantly white. And she pulled out because she said that's not reality.
She said, you're not going to be in a predominant area at any point in time in your life. So you need to be more rounded and be around people that look like you and have different ethnicities and so forth and so on.
So she she did opposite and i totally understand that but i did see i did see on um ig where this black this young black female said that a black should not go to a predominantly white because you can lose sight of yourself something i've never done i've never done that i'm telling you i like i said you know a lot i was i was afraid at first because yeah i came from baltimore city public schools everybody i saw looked like me you know i little ponytail on the side you know what i'm saying nobody combing the back of their head so the buck shots is bugging you know what i mean but then i go up to everybody got long straight hair blue eyes and and i'm just like okay this is what it is you know but it was like the opposite of what, you know, you just brought up. Like I had already seen and been around black people for so long and people who look like me in Baltimore.
And it was good for them to pick me up and drop me in a place that was foreign to me, you know, because then I learned other cultures. You know what I'm saying? And then I also learned what being the minority felt like you know i i learned you know what controlled racism was i learned when somebody trying to be smart they they can't directly try to be slick yeah because they know they get their knocked out but so so i i okay yeah this is what y'all doing all right i got you so you know it was great then i also made some of like i met some of the greatest people

that i've known since then up there so i i thank my parents for that do you get in any fight they call you named hell no not to my face nope nope i listen i i ain't gonna lie going to high school white kids that's how i got into drugs and all of that i smoked my first blunt up there i did my first shroom up there.

Damn!

Yeah, bonfires and all of that.

So, so they so so how did this so how did this happen you're like okay what y'all doing tonight what y'all getting into tonight you're like okay we're gonna do this yada yada yada you're like okay cool they were they were inviting me for a long time like yo you want to come to this bonfire dude like it's gonna be great like so cool and i'm like okay yeah i'm like all right cool i see what a bomb because you know i'm from baltimore ain't no bonfires down you say a fire is somebody's house you know what i mean it's just it's not it's not a bonfire so i go and i i see them rolling up weed i'm like all right i had never smoked weed tried weed in my life until 10th grade high school i'm like let me let me see i'm like what y'all put in it because i know white people lace they stuff yeah you know what i mean so i'm like let me see because you know i see little substances being poured on top the blunt you know i mean pour it in it and i'm like give me a regular blunt you know i hit it's cool i'm hungry i'm feeling a little funny you know and so i start telling jokes and stuff but then i see people are tripping off of other things and i'm like what's that oh yeah well that, yeah. Well, that person, you know, Carlos just has some acid over there.
You know, I'm like, yeah, I don't want that. I don't want that.
No. Then, you know, you got pills over here.
We got I'm telling you, these kids had everything except for their parents there all the time. That's what set them aside from me.
That's when I started connecting with my friends on a different level because they would see how my parents were there. They would come home every night.
They would tell me they love me. They would tell me, you know, because I would have my friends over too.
And I remember one of my friends saying, her name is Talia. She's like, you and your mom tell each other that you love each other all the time.
I'm like, yeah. You and your mom don't? She's like, no, not really.
I don't really see my mom. And that was the was the case for a lot of them a lot of their parents they own big corporations and work for big companies they traveled all the time they would just get them kids money you know and that's what that's how they would get into drugs and everybody had a car and everything but they would get into drugs and they didn't really feel that love that they saw between my parents and i so i connected with them so you think they have a so the next so would you have tried your let's just say for the sake of argument you stayed in Baltimore public schools do you believe you would have tried drugs and would have experimented like you did I definitely would have tried weed I mean my big brother smoked weed and he started smoking weed when he was maybe 12 years old and yeah so I would have tried that but I probably wouldn't have got on the shrooms.
I probably wouldn't have started with psychedelics at all. But yeah, I do psychedelics for something different though.
I do it for clarity. It's not just.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah.
What's that? You said did or do? I do. I do.
That's present tense. Currently.
Yes. Right now, today.
Damn. Yeah.
I mean, you try to see the future. What's going what's going on look you can it depends on how many shrooms you consume you you might be looking into the future or somebody else future but you'll be up there so let me so when you do you're by yourself uh not all the time i i do shrooms with my my sister and my fiance okay yes so i mean so so so what so what did they actually do they they free

your mind yes is it like adderall if it's something like see i've see i also got hooked on adderall in high school as well because i couldn't focus and i needed that to focus you know there's a lot going on right so it's very different from from that like so shrooms it's not really a high you don't feel like a high it's like it's enlightenment right you know you and you feel open and you can go you're not out of it you can tap no if you're scared if you're a person who overthinks a lot yeah i would not recommend them for you you know what i mean because you can go crazy see yeah if you're doing all of that like like. Like Smokey in a pigeon coop.
You better not be. Uh-uh.
I ain't doing no shrooms with you, Shannon. Uh-uh.
Mm-mm. Yeah.
But it's good. I still do it.
Yes. Right.
You had a friend overdose, though, right? I did. I did.
But that was not from shrooms. That wasn't from shrooms? No.
Did that scare you? Absolutely, because he was so young. Right.
You know, he was very, very young. And it was one of a few kids that actually, but this one was my friend.
Yeah, he had overdosed. I forget what the drug was.
It wasn't shrooms, though. It was something.
I think it was like bath salts or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was messing them up, man. You had some crazy jobs coming up.
Uh-huh. A mortuary? Well, a harsh funeral director.
Yes. Yes, absolutely.
No. So that's the thing.
That's what I thought I wanted to be. You know what I mean? Because I went to college and did a semester just just a semester um i thought i want i thought i really wanted to get into like being a mortician right you know because every job before that shane and i swear everybody was getting me fired everybody you know and so i'm like if i work with dead people can't nobody wake up and be like oh she did you know because they dead but jess you were stealing i was but damn you got you fired but i ain't stealing from the people that were snitching you gotta mind your business if listen if i'm working at a company right and i'm stealing the money and you see me and it ain't your company come and try to get money with with me.
Don't don't go. Oh, she.
She's a stealing boss. So you want to be the favorite.
You know what I mean? And you that ain't going to get you no raise. That ain't going to get no bonus for you.
You could have been getting money with me on the side. So in other words, would you steal? You go steal money from the damn people to get coming up with money in their purse in their pocket.
You go. No, but that was the very luc be in people ain't never gonna stop dying no they're not so i was going i plan to stop stealing and making money the right way okay with the dead people so uh uh so you wanted to go to study mortuary science yes which i did for a semester and i got scared because the clinicals yo they listen and i'm not gonna say i wasn't paying attention in class you know but embalming fluid works very funny if you put too much into it you know limbs can lift up and gas can leave the body after you're well yes they sit up and that had happened and that was the last time them people saw me that was it that.
That's it. I said, that's on Charles Day.

And you know,

so I was scared

and I said,

I can't do it.

Yeah,

you know,

I had a buddy of mine,

his father on a funeral service

and he's like,

man,

damn people can't hurt you.

I said,

yeah,

but they can make you hurt yourself.

Absolutely,

they sure can.

You start,

somebody sit up in there

and they flinch you

when you do straightening

their hair and stuff. You damn, run into the wall.
I done no i'm done so that's it uh social media what made you start what made you get on social media well i used to watch maury a lot right uh yes i used to watch maury povish right even when i wasn't supposed to be watching that man i was watching right and that was the very first skit that I did I liked I used to watch Maury Povich, right? Even when I wasn't supposed to be watching that, man, I was watching, right? And that was the very first skit that I did. I liked to do parodies back then, right? And so I remade that, who's the father? I was acting like I was the guy and how they would have the confessionals.
I'm not the father. And they would have these different angles.
It would be an angle down, looking up at the guy. And then it was just funny.
So I remade that and that skit took off. Right.
And then I'm like, damn, this person reposted it. Then this person posted it.
This person. I said, well, I can do this.
So I just kept doing videos. And this was back when videos were only 15 seconds on Instagram.
So I'm like, all right, I got to make people laugh in 15 seconds. Let me do it.
So I just made a series of skits that went viral and that's it just took off from there did you were you afraid to upload them some some of them only because i was afraid that people would steal the idea not whether or not people would think it's funny i've always been funny my whole life you know but were you a clown clown always even up there with the white people that's how i

got put out half the time i was like y'all put people y'all white y'all still put people out of class i thought that was only a black man but they're like no get your ass out of here no you trying to make everybody laugh so yeah but that's that's how that happened i wanted to touch on this i slipped over my mind when you stealing you go to jail for stealing did they put jail? I did go to jail once, not forever stealing from any of my jobs. I was at this modeling agency and I had stole from this one woman.
Damn, Jess. Yeah, I know.
I know. Well, I know you can.
I'm reformed. I'm reformed now, you know.
So now people steal from me. I don't steal from them.
So, but look, I was, I did, I stole from the director. And then I stole from the assistant.
What you stole? Money? Well, yeah. But this is the thing.
This is the thing. All right.
The assistant that I stole from, she had an order to take me to court too. But she ain't had nothing on her car.
And I'm like, I ain't even getting nothing off.

I couldn't even order a piece off your car, lady.

Why are you up here standing in front of the jurors talking about, and she also stole from me.

Oh, I didn't get nothing.

So I shouldn't be trying for this.

But the other lady, yeah, she had some, she had some big bucks.

And so, yeah.

I'm looking at you, Jess.

I think you one of them people's job to get them.

No, it was a modeling agency and they was lying to people taking all their goddamn money, telling us that we can be Tyra Banks and Naomi Campbell. Right.
And we, we couldn't be. Why would you tell me that? I ain't even tall enough.
You know what I mean? And I really was going with this. It was people shorter than me and, you know, it was people on the bigger side.
They knew damn well. Plus model.
You used to be a plus model? Yeah. Yeah.
What's the Ashley? What's the Ashley? What's the lady? You can, but not back then. Ashley Stewart, Elaine Bryant, and all those people.
Yeah, that's what. Yeah.
But you ain't. Come on now.
Some of those people in there, they was just taking people's money. So you was Robin Hood.
Yes. And I went back to collect for everybody.
But when it came time for me to give back everybody else, everybody left. So I was like, I might as well keep all up for myself.
So that's what that's how that happened. Let me ask you a question.
What was the first video that went viral and you were hooked? Hmm. My first Jess with the mess.
That was my first Jess with the mess. I used to do Jess with the mess on reality TV.
This is when love and hip-hop first came out um love and hip-hop atlanta no it was new york with chrissy and jim jones and then i was and then amina peter guns and uh tara tara and all of them and i started doing just the mess around reality tv and then i started doing it um with like just industry things other things. things.
Is it true Nikki unfollowed you because of one of your videos? I don't know why she unfollowed me, but I know she had reposted me a few times listening to some of her music that she dropped and then unfollowed me. A few people unfollowed me though.
But I don't know the reason why don't be like but you know you can't be going back and forth the barbers on social media though i don't go back and forth with them they go back and forth with themselves oh you know so you don't respond on social media you don't go back not anymore you haven't said you can't find a comment that i didn't comment it on and since uh what did i say i like last i think back in 2023 i said i'm not going to comment anymore. They don't deserve for me to keep going.
How difficult is that? Because your nature is to come back. Yeah.
Yeah. It is very difficult.
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Why is it people on social media, they'll say something slick, you get slicker back with them, and then they cry big for them? Oh my God. I can't believe you said that.
You talk to a woman like that? No, she talked to me first like that period and that's just what it is

you know what i mean and that's and that's another thing growing up in baltimore that's what it is you if there's no rules no this you know you come at me i come at you you can't tell me how no you can't say that though it's like no no no and i i think we live in a world now where sensitive and offended is the new trend, you know? So, yeah.

There are a lot of social media stars you look at desi banks drewski young fly pretty vb simone this other guy i'm sure you're going to talk about him because he has something to say about you it wasn't bad though you know what i'm talking about don't you excluded that guy did you connect with you did you see what they were doing like well damn they're doing this i can do this so i mean how did you even get started doing the uploading of the video well the first person that i ever saw was uh dc young fly okay that is my brother yeah i know he called me the same thing i'm his brother too that's what he said but uh that's the only guy I let play with me like that, by the way. Really? Yeah, yeah.
I don't let nobody else call me their brother. I don't be playing around like that.
But, yeah, I started off seeing him and, you know, King Botch and, like, those people. And I'm like, no, I actually didn't see any females.
I only saw him. And I was like, yo, that guy is funny.

Even though I couldn't understand everything he was saying.

Because that Georgia is different from your Georgia.

You know?

I swear when I first met DC, I would just listen and nod and laugh like I knew what he was saying and couldn't understand.

And then I would ask Carlos Miller, like, do you know what he said?

And he'd be like, yeah, I know what he said.

Well, them both of y'all country, but I'm not country.

So I don't know. But, yeah, that's what made me feel like hey i can do this too you know because i could relate to dc he was himself always himself so yeah so what did uh any of the other guys once you meet those met those people did y'all share information did y'all share tips did y'all like well hey let's get this money together yeah i actually took uh be simone and pretty v and uh watch jazzy on their first tour uh i did my first tour and they i took them with me so uh yeah that's how they got their start and stand up well pretty v does a host of things she pretty don't like doing no damn stand-up she is um successful and entertaining though for sure so yeah she's more like a host but yeah how But yeah.
How did you meet Country Wayne? How did I meet Country Wayne? I know that it's not on your call. Let me see that damn call over there.
How the hell did I meet him? He a nice dude though. Yeah.
Don't see how you even said this. Yeah.
But I don't even remember how I met the fella. I don't damn I don't sorry to that man Okay, okay I'm sorry.
I don't know that man. I just don't know I don't remember how I met him How old were you when you got on stage for the first time? Hmm I don't remember how old I was but it was 2013 when I got on the stage for the first time the first big stage I got on was 2014 I opened up for Martin and I had only been on stage two or three times did you always want to do stand up no the hell I did not i didn't even know what all of that consists that consisted of like i i grew up watching yes like comic view stand up link with my dad when i wasn't posed to and just watching bruce bruce and you know seeing a deon cole and seeing you know but i had never imagined that's what i would be doing right yeah i just always was was funny humorous comical but i never thought that I would be a so did you decide to do it or someone talks say hey Jess you should you should try this so how did so how did you decide to go up on stage listen so my big brother Desi he's not my biological brother but he is somebody who is a mentor for me um he's also from Baltimore City Desi Alexander um He's been a feature on my tour since I first started.
This is the guy that people know when I'm coming, he coming too. Him and another guy from Baltimore, his name is Cool Ant.
He's a promoter and he also works for Nike now as well. They were doing open mics and I would go all the time.
And the local comedy scene in Baltimore was it was just it was funny and I just always wanted to go and be a part of it but not to get up on stage and one day they just pushed me up on stage because I was already doing the skits and stuff so people already knew who I was um locally and then it was like you might as well try it my brother's like try it and I'm like't know. So then he calls my name.
I go up there. I didn't know what the light was.
When they give you a light, that means, all right, your time is about to be up. Time is dwindling down.
I thought they was taking pictures. I was up there.
I was supposed to have been up there for 10 minutes. I mean, five minutes.
It went from 5 to 10 to 15. And then the DJ dropped the music.
And I'm like, well, damn. And they're like, no, because you got to get off.
I'm like, oh, I didn't know. I didn't know the rules right y'all pushed me up here now y'all trying to push me off you know so and and I started developing a like for it right not really a love yet until Martin Lawrence had his brother call me and asked me to open up for him and that's when I was like 13,000 people down at the Wells Fargo arena that's what it was called then uh state farm wells fargo arena in balsamore city but um uh that's when i realized standing on that stage making my city laugh like that i'm like all right yeah this is what i'm supposed to be doing because prior to that you didn't have so you didn't have a bug it wasn't like when you first got up there you're like okay i like this i'm hooked yeah like it wasn't until martin actually called you and you said yeah this is what I'm gonna do yep and that's when I started working on my craft I started actually going like to open my other open mics outside of Baltimore City and um writing jokes and stuff like that started so you quit you were you working at the time you quit your job I was stealing so you know that was but I did quit for I love Miss Pat.
I know, but I am not a thief now. Fellman Louise? I know, right? I know.
I know. So you do this, you get the bug.
And so now you're writing stuff. You're like, I want to be good at this.
I want to be the best I possibly can be at this. And you start taking it serious.
And from that point that point on, from when Martin brother call you, that was the moment that you said, what, this is what I'm going to do. That is the moment.
That is the moment, the moment when I was on stage. Right.
Cause I was scared as hell. He had called me about something else.
He didn't even call me to ask me to do the show first. He called me cause Martin was working on plays.
He wanted to like get into like the play field. Right.
like uh martin wants to do a play with you would you be interested you know once you uh thinking about kind of like tyler parent was doing yeah yeah and i mean i was like of course and then we hung up and then he called me back like well what are you doing this weekend because you know martin is on his what now tour right and um and he stops in baltimore you know he's from maryland i'm like y'all know everything about martin martin is one of my favorite actors coming up like you know and so he was like yeah would you mind opening up for him you got 10 minutes to come i was like i got an hour lying lying and so soon as i hung up i called my brother i'm like yo i get to open up for martin i've only been on stage two or three times i need you to help me he helped me that day of the show of the show, I went out there. It was me, Melanie Camacho.
He had one other person. I forget who it was.
And then he went on. I went out there.
I forgot everything me and my brother wrote down. Oh, Lord.
But because I was home and it was Baltimore City and I knew the lingo. I knew what they loved.
I knew it. I know we love some damn crabs.
I know, you know, born and raised there. I can only speak to my city.
better so killed it killed it did a solid good 10 12 minutes and martin was right there standing on the side because he wanted to see how i did right and it was amazing that was your big brain and that's when i was like i'm gonna do this right give me your mount rushmore baltimore comedians hmm huh no you know what don't don't do Baltimore yeah I'm gonna take it broad you get four comedians because a lot of times people be trying to put seven eight people on Mount Rushmore there's only four yeah there's only four right there's only four here damn so give me your Mount Rushmore comedians hmm past the print dead or alive it does not matter man woman it does not matter you can have four women you can have four men you can do it both mix and match it does not matter give me jess hilarious if she said okay jess who are you might rush more comedians hmm bernie mack kat williams kevin hart oh that last one I'm just gonna say Just Hilarious because I wanted to it's hard you went with a lot of the modern comedians and didn't go didn't go back too much like Richard Pryor. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, because I'm going to be completely honest with you. I didn't study them.
I didn't really watch them. You know what I mean? I didn't.
Touring with comedians. What's that like going on a road with comedians? Do y'all interact? Or do you, hey, I'm in my dressing room.
When it's time for me to go out i go out i go back i'm boom i'm out um me i don't really interact a lot with or you stand off with people no no no i i'm staying my space is that's what i am because you know just i it's it's a lot that goes into it you know what i mean and then not that i'm not friendly you know what i mean but i treat work like work you know what i mean you ain't trying to get close to nobody huh no i and it's not even purposely i'm not trying i just don't you know it's a lot of just i no i don't i i'm not you won't catch me hanging out okay you know the most hanging out that i've done

is on wild and out you know i love my wild and out family i love all those uh comics there and

everything but yeah that's that's but that's it though you know um i will say like people like

you know uh what is his name bill bellamy he's a great person uh mike epps mike epps was the first

person to call me to drop gems like like he was the first person that i actually talked to that

I'll see you next time. of me he's a great person uh mike epps mike epps was the first person to call me to drop gems like like he was the first person that i actually talked to that i could say like was mentoring me about ownership and just just a lot of different things like where i think he made mistakes in his first i mean in in the early getting started yeah and then he would make things clear to me so i could not make those same mistakes and things like that you mentioned being on the road mike elps ricky smiley monique and bruce bruce what's what's some of the crazy story because these this is the old guard i mean i used to see bruce bruce in atlanta monique's been at a while mike elps been at this thing you know probably three decades ricky smiley's been at the same thing what are the when when you're on the road do you do you try to pick their brain and try to get get info or how to do this thing how to go about it am i doing it right what what should i do different are you you know you're trying to get advice no you're not no i'm not trying to get advice and um i don't yeah no i don't try because this is the thing yo i don't even like to watch other people stand up because i don't it's very easy to emulate somebody without doing it.
Well, you do it. You know what I mean? Like I remember this one day I watched Sebastian.
I forgot his last name. He's a comedian.
I watched him all day. And I had a show that night and I went on stage and I found myself speaking like this man.
And I'm like, ah, I can't do that. You know, but so I don't watch watch stand up i don't try to pick anybody's brain i will say lunel and leslie jones okay those two they they're really really

good women i love those two women to death like they anytime that they feel the need something

that's laid on their heart they reach out to me right and they i don't even ask them for advice

they just give it and give it and i love those two right because they're very supportive of me

Thank you. feel the need something that's laid on their heart they reach out to me right and they i don't even ask them for advice they just give it and give it and i love those two right because they're very supportive of me i had cat on and he said just hilarious is one of his favorite up-and-coming comedians yeah i saw that i saw that listen cat was doing a lot of things up here so when they told me i caught a lot of flack for that it took me first of all it took me four days to watch You know, because I ain't, y'all was up here.
So, when they told me, I caught a lot of flack for that. Listen, it took me, first of all, it took me four days to watch all of it.
You know, because I, y'all was up here for 10 hours. I was like, damn, I hope Shannon ain't had nobody else after him.
But, but listen, they, I started watching it and then, everybody called on my phone. Yo, you seen what Cat Williams said? I'm like, what'd he say? Like, you know, and I'm like, then they sent me, they said, no, it was great.

I went and watched and I said, okay, good.

Let me breathe.

Because I had only heard about everybody else that he didn't have anything nice to say about.

So I was like, oh God, how the hell would I do?

You know, but I'm glad because he's actually one of my favorite comedians too.

Like his earlier stuff.

Oh my God, I love Kat. I grew up on Kat Williams.s the interview you mentioned that interview what do you think hmm i think you need to ask no questions you didn't have to have i you didn't you didn't but why they get mad at me though jess i don't know why they got mad they shouldn't have got mad at you first of all listen cat only do interviews when he got something to say yes right yes it ain't like you called him and said look come up here i got something i've been trying to get him for a year i get it yeah and you know he don't he drives everywhere he takes the bus and so he was gonna be on this side of town yeah and you know i met a lady that was hitting her job and she was going to be his executive assistant yeah so i've been trying to line him up for a year i talked to her one friday the following friday he's sitting on the couch and so now mind you when he comes in he's already on one yeah that's what that's what i'm saying i don't know why they got mad at you i'm telling i tell you one thing though it was good for you and it was good for him too it was good it was great for me yeah.
It really put me on the map. Yeah.
Yeah. Put me on the map and it made people take my platform very, very serious, serious and advertising sponsors took notice of that.
Yeah. And a lot of good.
And hopefully it was mutually beneficial to him. Absolutely.
But, you know, he had a lot to say about gatekeepers. Yeah.
Yeah. Do you believe there's such thing um yeah i do i do believe there i believe it kicks in if a certain person don't like you maybe you said something to offend the friend of someone or you know you or you know you offend a community of people or whatever however it goes yeah there is always someone who makes that decision or maybe a group of people that makes that decision whether or not to indulge in affairs with this person or you know business you know yeah i do believe in gatekeeping though where are you on joke stealing because cat had a lot to say about joke stealing he felt he said a joke said stole the joke but he used a different apparatus.
One guy used the caddy. The other guy used a spaceship.
Some people say, bro, if it's that serious, write a new joke. If it was that easy for him to steal the joke, the joke wasn't that deep to begin with.
Where is Jess Hilarious on joke stealing? Listen, I remember a time when I first started comedy, right? Telling you, I never studied the art of it. I didn't know.
And I sat at a show, and there was this comedian from Baltimore, right? And she had a joke about squirting, right? I didn't like the way she told it, right? So I said, all right, I'm going to take it, spin it around, throw a little jess on that bitch, and I'm going to retell it. Right.
And I did that. And there is a comedian, OG, by the name of Larry Lancaster, who had pulled me to the side at the end of that show and was like, hey, you can't do that.
You know, because this comedian did that. That's very big in this culture.
You cannot do that. in the culture of comedy, cannot steal.
And I was like, damn, even if I remix it, it's not stealing.

It's just,

it's the same idea. But he said, no, because you went online and said that you were going to steal the joke.
And I did do that. So I was like, I just didn't know the rules of it.
But that was the first and the last time I'd ever done something like that you know and and and i didn't realize why she was so mad like damn what just write another joke or tell it better than me and i give it back to you you know what i mean but it was but i'm like nah this is really an art this is really rules to this thing you know you can't do that right and so yeah i mean i guess people look at it like a song yeah if you say if i sing the song and then you come behind it and sing it we'll write a better song no bro you know my song my stuff man and no you got to give it back it ain't yours so yeah i i do not steal jokes yeah and that is it when it comes to college basketball and march mania one thing is for sure nothing's for sure upsets buzzer beaters cinderella's advances top seeds going home early it's all gonna happen bet the unexpected every upset every day with draft king sportsbook with live betting exclusive content promos and parlays draft king is the ultimate college basketball destination for march ready to make your first bet check out the matchups and pick a team to win. It's that simple.
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Tell me the process of writing a set. So let me ask you a question.
How long are your sets? 30 minutes? I am on stage when I headline an hour and 15 minutes. Hour and 15 minutes.
So tell me the process. So say you're doing uh you do week thursday friday maybe you got two shows friday two shows saturday blah blah blah okay and you're going to be on the road for let's say six weeks yeah uh how do you go about writing a set that's going to be able to stand the test of time for that six weeks and you probably gonna be on stage 25 to 30 times So see I don't really write jokes out because I found that when I do that I sound very rehearsed so what I do is I have bullets okay, and I have a writer session every week with my brother the one who opens up for me my teacher Desi alexander and and we just bounce off of each

other you know and i don't yeah i don't really like to write you know i have 30 minutes set crafted for when i do 30 minutes then i have a 20 minute set when i do features on other shows like when i open up for bill bellamy and bruce bruce and all those people you know things like that DL Hughley and Ricky Smiley and all that.

Right.

But I, yeah, I don't really write.

Mm-hmm.

I, bellamy and bruce bruce and all those people you know things like that dl hugley and ricky smiley and all that but i yeah i don't i don't really write i it's all up in here i just have bullets and that's that's how that goes a lot of people a lot of people and they pulled me to the side to say shannon there's a lot look it wasn't so much of what cat said is that he pulled a curtain back and allow people to see something that we've been trying to keep secret and so I think that's really now look he called out a lot of people yeah a lot of prominent powerful people yeah but it was more so that what he allowed people to see yeah because I don't think the the the general consensus is damn is that kind of animosity and vitriol in the in the comedic community yeah i didn't know that yeah he was letting me things letting me know things i didn't know either like i watching it i'm like dang i i didn't know that you know what i mean yes but those were different times different times. It's better now? But it's hard for you to know because you don't really get down with anybody.
So you do your own thing and you out. Nope.
Yep. I know some comics will get mad at you for doing shows with people that they got beef with.
And so they won't put you on a show. So what am I supposed to do? Not eat? Unless you are me or somebody and you can just do shows on your own right you know what i mean like yeah that's that you kind of gotta play the game and that's that's so weird to me you don't strike me as somebody like to play games hell no not no game not ever you ever got into it with comedian have i ever gotten to it with a comedian? Hell yeah, I got into it with a comedian.
About what? You know, go fish through them cards. I know you got something.
No, we ain't got it in. You be knowing stuff.
I don't know nothing, Jess. I mean, I'm just, you know, I thought you was going to be, you know, like, you know, we just.
You thought I was going to be like Kat. Come up here with something to say and be like, look, this.
No saying i'm just i'm just asking you what was it about yeah well uh cory holcomb that that is a comedian that i got into it with i did a photo shoot with my son um and it went viral i was naked my son was not um i had my son had on jordan's only thing i had on was jordan's and socks and um he was covering. He was covering my boobs, my private area.
And he had on clothes. And I did the shoot.
I posted it. It goes viral.
The next morning, I wake up to Corey Holcomb calling me a whore, a black whore, and saying that my son would be be gay and this is why a lot of our young black men are gay because of black whores like just hilarious and things like that and he was do you know him i do not know i still have not got the chance to see this man that was the reason why i went to wildin out to see this man and you hit him and he wasn't there that day. No, I made the show, but I'm like I thank you Nick But where's where's Cory? He's on our hand here So why you because you know why I'm coming up here Nick because that's why you reached out to him because I flamed him I was roasting him back-to-back three days straight and that's why you reached out Nick.
You knew I wanted to see him. He said, no, but you got on the show.
Thank you. You let it go now? Hell no, I ain't let it go.
No, I didn't let it go. I mean, it wasn't even so much about him talking about me.
You don't say that kind of thing about somebody's child. You know what I mean? You just don't say stuff that you know but then i realized he don't have a relationship with his mother you know what i mean he doesn't have relationship with his kids he told one of his kids after him he'll make another one you know so it's you know and he the way he talks about his family you know something like huh he has other issues obviously you know very dirty person right yeah tell me what's the audition process like for wilding out they well how it was for me i don't know how how it's changed but well i don't think it's gonna be no more wild enough but really did they oh yeah what happened just like so innate and zeus network viacom oh they want it back huh yeah well apparently they ain't take it nick didn't take it well well yeah that's what they saying they saying that he took the whole idea and the whole concept of wilding out and took it over to zeus with lamell and them over there so oh that's what they saying so ain't no wilding out now i don't think but either way the question that you asked me refresh my mind again how do you audition how do you how do you audition for a while and then how do you make the show okay back wait because i don't know how it's changed but back then you go they'll they'll have it at a hotel like in one of the banquet halls or whatever And then you go in there and then Nick wants you to joke on the spot, you know, go back and forth with somebody or like a rap battle.
Because the thing is wild style. Everybody's favorite thing is wild style.
It wasn't my favorite thing because I ain't Justine the Valentine. That girl can rap for days and days.
I'm talking about. But they'll have you do that.
They'll give you a topic and you just spit jokes on it. You know what I mean? And then you'll just go back and forth with somebody like cracking on them, joking and roasting and stuff.
And then if they like you enough, he'll tell you, OK, yeah, I got you. You're on it or we'll call you back.
Something like that. See, he already knew what I was capable of.
That's why he reached out anyway. So I didn't have to go through a second step.
You know, I just got it. What's your favorite moment of the show? Do you get upset? Because someone, hey, man, they be going in hard.
Jess, hey, I might have had a swig on somebody. Uh-huh.
Oh, trust me. People have, guests have canceled.
Guests have sent in stuff. Like, look, I'm going to come up there, but y'all can't talk about this, this, this, this, and this.
And y'all talk about this, this, this. And 85 South, which is Carlos, DC, and Chico, they be like, well, why are you coming up here? Because you already know we don't go by that.
We don't play. Man, come on now.
And then Nick let us do what we want on the show. It's like, whatever.
We joke Nick. You know, Nick is always the butt of the joke.

So it's like, whatever.

Except Chico.

Chico got him good, man.

Ooh.

Them three stay on Nick.

Like, oh, my God.

I don't even know how.

I would have been put them off my show.

I don't care.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bye.

Yeah.

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

I love them, though.

What's your favorite?

Who's your favorite Wild and Out guest?

The favorite Wild and Out guest or a cast member

guest guest hmm i ain't gonna lie i don't got no favorite wild and out guest i ain't gonna hold you um the best episode that i watched though i ain't gonna lie was the one with t-pain and the one with chance the rapper i wasn't there i was off filming other things um but yeah i i can't really say uh wendy williams i ain't gonna lie i got to meet wendy williams and she knew who i was and i roasted her she talked about me on her show after that shortly after that she after she came um but wendy williams was very fun she was very fun she came she played the game she wasn't scared of nobody she know how she is so she said all right y'all bring it on i love that how is nick as a boss nick is nick is good god fair man he prays before every show he's he's really really a good dude um i will always in forever respect nick for this so i did two seasons of wilding out right and then i got casted for the sitcom rel on fox right um and i was going to be series lead and so that meant that i had to move to la and i couldn't shoot wilding out and there was a season of that coming up and so so I went and I talked to Nick. I said, Nick, there's this show.
I want to do season, whatever it was, of Wild N' Out. But I got casted, you know, to do Rell.
And he said, yo, go. What are you talking about? This will always be your home.
Whenever you want to come back, or even if you don't, whatever, you always got a place on this show. Wow.
That made me cry, dog. That was he was like yo i i see more for you i see this for you i saw this for you go ahead and you just come back when you're done like while i was gonna be here till it ain't in private you uh you rag on rick uh nick about all them kids in private in public i'd be like damn come on now I don't know man like i don't know in my opinion i felt like that marriage messed that man up and now he's overcompensating for something he couldn't compensate for that's just what it is you know he may get angry at that it wouldn't be the first time nick got mad at me about a comment but you know i just i don't know and not to say that he's

just making kids for the fun of it but you know you know what it seems like but i know he loves all of his children dearly you know but yeah i'm just like god damn you're purposely doing this yeah purposely doing this so you might have him or the lady that's allowed him to know he's purposely doing this?

Well,

I would honestly say it would have to be on the woman right because it's your body he ain't the one having the kids and you know it yeah men can't have kids right i'm gonna say it for the people in the back men can't have kids so you know it's the women maybe you make that decision Maybe the first two they didn't know. but three four five six seven eight nine yeah come on now and then the one that's brewing right now probably if it is one i don't know i don't know but we never know because ever since they said elon musk got 13 now meek mill and nick and all of them they like oh no we can't we we must.
But Elon Musk is worth $430 billion. That's what I keep trying to tell these niggas.
There's a different... Because one thing niggas gonna do is niggas.
And I keep telling them, y'all can't niggas with him. Yes! No, no, no.
Yes! You can't do that. Yeah, and for Meek Mill to say, yo, I can't let Elon Musk have more baby mothers than me.
Sorry, you're looking at it wrong. Elon Musk made, what, $177 billion in the last 30 days? Yeah.
What your mindset should be is I can't let this man. How did this man is rich? I need to get on that.
But your mind is so in the bottom. You're thinking about babies.
What are you talking about? about dollars exactly come on now okay you said nick is suing viacom he's suing viacom is suing him uh yes i said that that's that was in the headlines right now over the bad versus wild show bad versus wild and zeus it ain't only nick is zeus network right yeah all you ren there, here's something from Rocket Mortgage you're going to want to hear. Now, anyone who's ever rented before knows the feeling you get every month.
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What about Drake? This Drake suing Universal about what transpired with him and Kendrick over this. I mean, this might be the greatest diss song ever.
I thought with no Vaseline, I thought I hit him up. I thought Ether, Sheetha with Remy Ma.
I was like, hold on. But this five Grammys, I mean, and he headlined the Super Bowl.
And number one on the charts again. Why wouldn't he perform that song? What? Yeah, you got to.
Yeah, you got to. That's like your best joke and you're not going to tell it.
What you mean I ain't going to tell it on my special? What? Please. Oh, I'm getting that one.
Yep, I don't care who would make mad. It is what it is.
Because there's like a double-sided thing with that. Now, while rap is rap, there are no rules.
Yeah, you hit below the belt, Kendrick just went to hell with it. That's how I am, Jess.
Oh, I know how you are. If you go low, I ain't going low i'm going to hell um yeah that's right i i love you michelle obama but nah we're gonna have to take it down there and yeah i and i get it um but i will say drake does have a valid argument when it comes to losing brands over such an accusation like you know the pedophile thing and you saying that you know i i like little girls and you know what i mean it's just and that that surely could cost you some business you know some money sponsors and endorsements and all that type of stuff you know um going as far as suing universal because y'all yeah because these are this is people and these are the people that they help you where you are right and that that gives you the tricks of the trade and because some of your songs i don't know how the hell they made it to number one yeah like what's the the two C slide yeah I don't and that was number one i'm so now you know however whether you know they use those tricks of the trade for kendrick whether they did that or not you once benefited from that correct you know so that's the same thing you had a problem where it helped you get to where you got yeah now you're gonna turn around and sue yeah so i think he's stepping into something that he probably would regret later let me ask you a question you think he's lost business because of the the pedo accusation yeah yeah i do i really really do and i honestly think that's why he's been uh also just like quiet as well and then going to the all these other countries to perform and things where where all of that stuff in america ain't really like there to bother him as much in australia right ain't nobody gonna be you know people because people like it's just words i don't like people playing my name yeah yeah and and like you said, maybe that accusation has caused them some advertiser, sponsors, and things of that business opportunities.
Because there are people playing with my name. And I was just like, you know what? And I had to ask myself.
And I went to my agency. I said, look, have I lost any business because of what they're alleging? It's like, no.
So I let it go. Because if had I had, then I'm'm gonna have to see some of these people i'm gonna see so what you want that's right that's right now let's see your accusations ain't as bad as the accusations that he like when somebody call you a pedophile right and then assert then he put you the certified on it.
Yeah. I'm not just a pedophile.
Yeah. I'm a certified pedophile.
You got papers and everything. What? You know, when you're certified, you got papers.
You're damn right. Hey, no school district.
Can't stay here. Can't stay there.
You got to check in. That's right.
So that's like you say that. If I was in, if I was tied to any business with Drake, I would be looking like, all right, well, what's up? What's going on? Well, they say, well, you talked about that man family.
You say this is your child in here. So you said, hey, if you go low, we go in the hell.
Yeah. But that ain't got no way up against the those rumors.
I mean, that accusation. So I get I guess it's a situation just where you step on my toe and somebody knock you out yeah you're like bro you have to do it like that you're right right you you know I'm saying Kendra went all the way off and but he did say he did give a warning and euphoria he did he said all right I'm gonna chill out but you know I'm saying I ain't he gave the warning yeah like y'all right but i ain't gonna lie he ate him up in euphoria even more than not like us yeah he called drake uh kendrick i mean drake called kendrick a woman beater then kendrick called jake a pedophile i mean yeah was it about what do you think do you think this initiated about did it have anything to do with the women because we know guys we were a rams we're buttheads about a female i honestly don't think it had anything to do with a woman i think that's more so like a drake thing i think drake would get mad over a woman before kendrick would and i don't know either one of these brothers but knowing what i well what we've all seen and how we know drake is a very emotional person um kendrick is a very healed person like he rap like he is in therapy currently yes you know what i mean and he goes deep with things i think that that i don't think it's about a woman yeah uh-huh he has past due listen he rapping for ancestors and everything yes you know once upon a time we was like the.
Oh, Lord. You know? So, yeah.
Yeah. I don't, I don't think it was over a woman.
I don't. What about DJ Academics taking shots at you while seemingly supporting Drake? You know, do you know him? Have you ever met him? I ain't never met his badass in my life.
Lord, have mercy. Never.
I never met him in my life and I never will because he's always in the basement.

So. Yes.
Who? Always in the basement. Child.
Why? Why people? Why people come for us? I don't. I don't know.
So, Shannon, you know, I guess because we're very confident people.

People love to see you win until you win you win you know what i mean they love they they want you they want you to be cocky no they want you to win but they don't want you to be cocky with it they don't want you to celebrate yourself they they put a ceiling people will put a ceiling on you ain't no ceiling over here i'm going straight up right i don't care how long it takes me to get there i'm not gonna play no games right i'm not gonna cut no corners right you know i mean unless it's all legitimate right but people put a ceiling on you and i think that's the problem people don't want to see you winning to you surpass what winning to them right right you know and then now it's a problem oh she need to calm down or oh he need to calm down like no don't get above yourself well why right why why are you trying to keep me humble right what is that no why you're right because the thing is when i was at uh uh when i was at fox and uh my term and i got ended up let go people like man they did you wrong yada y, yada, yada, yada. Then I start winning.
ESPN picked me up. I'm on a bigger platform.
That's right. My podcast.
I start another podcast and it goes. And so now everybody got a problem.
Yeah, I'm the same Shannon. I was the same Shannon that y'all love when I supported Colin Kaepernick.
I was the same Shannon that when things transpired that I spoke positive about my people. Ain't nothing changed.
I'm just winning a little more. And now it's a problem.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't I don't I don't get that about us because they put a ceiling on you. You weren't supposed to do all of that.
You weren't supposed to. You were supposed to just fall by the wayside and do what they had in their mind for you to do.
But you surpassed a lot of people's expectations. When you when you see negative comments about Jess, what's the first thing that goes through your mind? I'm going to get to your.
But then it's like I am reformed. I have come so much further than that and my growth in that is just like look you can't beat everybody you can't respond to everybody you can't win them all listen it's like whatever you can't go to war with everybody you can't go to war with everybody no you can't but you be thinking like i'm gonna get them i do yeah because because listen if a comic gets you crazy i like to go to your page and scroll and don't have you don't have it public and i can scroll down and look at you and look at your your parents and see who made you and see who you look like and and you talk crazy like that look like your dad i'm gonna tell you'm going to tell you.
Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm. So.
Yeah. I don't talk about my kids, though.
But, yeah. Don't try me.
That's it. You never talk.
Kids are always going to be off. Oh, hell yeah.
Yeah. I believe once you talk about somebody's kids, they can say anything to you.
It don't matter. It don't matter.
Don't talk about nobody's children children y'all and and you can say anything back i don't care what it is you see whatever you can to hit below somebody talk about your children children are innocent you talked about this a little earlier uh the tv show with lil rel yes on fox with sinbad so tell me tell me tell me a little bit about it it was amazing it was amazing working with sinbad like he dropped so many yes he dropped so many gems that was the person because i'm trying to sit here and think when you asked me a little bit earlier anybody ever give you any advice sinbad but it wasn't it wasn't for stand-up it was just like in general life and Yeah, but he is a comedian that did give me advice on that set.

It was nice.

It was a great job. stand-up it was just like in general life and yeah um but he is a comedian that did give me um advice on that set it was it was nice it was amazing working that was the first time i'd ever been um a part of a big production like that they treated me well money was great you know especially coming from wild or not yes i was like okay fox what okay i got my old pocket spot i got you know get money I get money to eat and all types of stuff it's listen Fox they treat their people well so yes um but it was amazing and then Rel had a different OG come every single episode so he that that's what was unique about his show.
So, Florence from the Jeffersons. Yes, Marley Gibbs.
Oh, Marley Gibbs. She was there.
She was amazing. Then he had Leon.
Leon ain't got no last name. Leon, we know Leon, the temptation.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just Leon.
Yeah, Leon, he was there. leon's still fine too um but it's just just a series of ogs and just like people before our time where it came and who was still like their season but they are like vets and they they came through and they showed up for him you know for that that um that first season and although the show was canceled yeah you had to I was going to gonna say okay but damn he made sure it got canceled no but but i want i wanted to ask i mean after 12 episodes it got canceled so how did that make you feel i mean did you think you're gonna get picked up for season two i did i did i honestly i did i thought we were going to get picked up um while I felt like the writing could have been

better um and I felt like it could have depict us more um it was a lot of people pleasing um happening because

you really gotta be careful how you move um in terms of making a project based on a culture like based on our culture you know if it's going on fox you know what i mean and and at first i wasn't even going to be casted because they thought that I was too green for it. In those terms, she has never done this before.
So we don't, basically, we don't trust that she will be a great commodity for the show. But Rell picked me and also Carmichael.
Gerard Carmichael picked me, fought for me to be in there along along with Ro as well. But it was just a lot of things that we didn't resonate with that they wanted to change the script to.
And and Ro will push back and Gerard will push back. And, you know, but I just think I just think you think they should have been a little bit more flexible.
You know, it just could have been been and i think that's what we were missing um on the show but you know you learn and it was rel's first show and i think honestly it was even too early for him to have a show of his own you you mentioned that those uh tv checks they hit different especially over there at fox you you had to spend you had spent a couple of them checks already expecting the next new season? Listen, I still got a lot of money from Fox. What? Yes, I still do.
I still get money from Wild N Out. They always send me like $9.88 checks every now and then.
You know, I can use that. I can use that.
Doing what? Go to Chipotle, get a couple of apple juices. So, you know, something.
Let me ask you a question. What is something that you wish you knew before you got into the TV business? Hmm.
Something that I wish I knew before I got into the TV business. Because I think if you were to do another TV show, you would be even more prepared than you were with that one.
Because you know things that you didn't know when you did that. Yeah.
Yeah. Hmm.
I honestly don't wish I knew anything before. I would literally do this all over again I would um I would I would as it relates to people though I wish I knew certain agendas or the agendas of certain people okay that that claims

you know to be

so close to me. Oh I love you.
You like family. You know what I mean? I wish I knew the agendas of certain people.
Which is why I don't hang out with people in the industry. I don't like to receive advice from everybody.
I don't even like everybody praying for me. No, they're not.
They're praying, but not for the good, though. That's right.
So I don't even. Yeah, but you know I pray for you.
Don't. Please don't.
Why you do that? Don't, because I already know. What did God say? God should have told you.
Look, she don't want you. She told me don't be accepting prayers from you for her.
So Rel is really L-I-L Rel now. Oh, hell yeah.
Why do everybody believe that man don't snippet? He need to put the two T's in the name. Not just Lil.
It's Lil Rel now. He's literally Lil Rel now.
I mean, I had him on. He thin.
He thin, thin. Yeah.
Jess, people think he on that Zipik. Yeah, and he said he's not.
Oh, he got that package. He said, what package? What package is that? It's on the card? You know when black people, you lose a little weight.
Black people. Oh, you talking about that? Yeah.
You know you can't lose a little weight by no black you're talking about that yeah yeah man you know you can't lose no weight by no black i know you damn right and that's that's in any city i ain't gonna say that's growing up in baltimore city in any city where it's black people you you getting sick what's going on okay damn you can't ever lose weight on no black people i got a gym membership i just lost three pounds that's it i'm on crack like all right we lose wait right. We lose weight, you know.
Why we like that, Jess? That's how we grew up. Yes.
A drastic change. Uh-huh, yeah.
Something going on. Yep, and if you big, I mean, if you small, and you blow up, you on depo.
That's what they say for the women. Oh, she must have got that Depo Rivera shot, that birth control.
Yep. You know, but I don't know't i don't know i he said that he wasn't we had him up at breakfast club he he totally turned down the rumors of um being on ozempic and he said he's working out and he said he's the happiest he's ever been in his life you know because i knew he was supposed to get married because when he came on us he was supposed to get married yeah he's married i believe he is married i don't know no no he might he might be because he refers to her as his wife so they may have gotten married already the bbl do you think hollywood is this is this what women just want to do or there's a pressure a societal pressure to do this? I think a lot of people are not happy with their bodies.
And now that there is a way that you can change that, you know, and at first it really wasn't affordable to a lot of people. But now it is.
You can make payments on, you know, your surgery and everything. And I used to joke about it, but it's like, you know what? If there is something seriously wrong with you to you, and now you have all of these resources to fix it.
Right. You know, why not? Go ahead.
I just, I just wish women would do it in moderation. Like all these repeat offenders.
I know girls that go and get lipo twice a year yeah like that you know I ain't working out what I look like working out I can call a doctor such and such yeah you can also die too like I don't you know what I'm saying like you just because you've done this before you don't ever have that thought in your mind that this

may be the time i don't wake up this may be they may hit an artery or a nerve or something in a vein you know but the thing is i mean some of them they it's just too crazy i mean it should be subtle i look if you want to do it that's your body yeah let it be subtle but when it's looking I, I'm like, and everybody like. Exactly.
Come on now. I know.
I mean, you can't be 150 pounds with a 50 pound booty. I know.
Yeah. Yeah.
Or when you. Or when you already start off 300 pounds and then you go get lipo you get the fat sucked out the middle part and then now is i don't know yeah it looked like what they want to be like they want to be like like they have these little teeny tiny weight yes come on but you're big up here and then you're big down there and it is just not proportioned right even if you got a big boy your back can't be broad as mine and think it's sexy that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying would you do would you do well would i do it yeah i wouldn't do it again i've actually had a fat transfer and i've had my uh boobs done yes i mean man i don't i don't really think i don't really people don't really look at boobs like that and something drastic but when they get oh yeah when they get bbls and they they keep going back and getting fillers and all that other stuff come on now yeah i got my bbl back when it was called a fat transfer okay it wasn't called a bbl yet because i didn't get my butt lifted that's why i said i don't know why they call it a brazilian butt lift it was it was called a fat transfer okay before and i got it done in atlanta and um and it was fine but when i went my doctor had told me like look yo you don't got enough fat to be i said listen whatever you got pull it out i'm like gina waters i i got a lot of muscle on my sides i've never had hips give me hips please and he was would you have hip dip i yeah like i would like it would be dented in and i'm like yo i'm tired of looking strong like i just you know yeah i want i want some type of curve you know and so he's sorry we're gonna fill it out as much as we can but one thing you need to know about fat when you take it out and all the fluid drain from it it's not what it looks like so you're gonna the swelling is gonna go down it's probably gonna look the same i said do it anyway yeah and so that's why people don't believe that i did get a bbl because it doesn't really look like it but i think i got one of the most natural looking surgeries ever hmm doctor who but your sister called you out for that huh yeah that heifer tried me real bad because she got fired why you tell her

you see my gun called you out for that huh yeah that heifer tried me real bad because she got fired why you tell her because she my god sister i've been knowing this girl since i was two years old damn because i got i fired her she was working for me she was my driver listen i didn't even have a job opportunity for i created right a job for this girl right and oh my god it hurt me so bad that she did that and she claimed it hurt her so bad because i fired her and yeah she she had children and you know what she do so why did you fire i fired her because she wasn't doing her damn job listen this girl we was on the road right and this girl stole my wig and my car to go do something. Go meet.
I don't know if it was to meet a guy or something. And we in another city.
How do you know somebody down here in Florida? And why would you take my wig? I supposed to wear it on stage tonight. You can still wear it that night, but she was going to use it that day.
I sure did wear it on stage that night. She gave it back.
But she going to come in there with some flowers. And you took my car.
And then the security I had at the time, he liked that ass too. So he ain't even tell me.
And so I woke up. Like, oh, Shay was supposed to have been back.
She went to go get something for you. The whole time, no, she went to get something for her.
She got it. Yeah.
And she probably had the wig on too. She did.
I get back my wig all smelly. I'm like, what's going on here? You wore a sex wig, I don't understand.
Yeah. Sex somebody else's sex wig.
I'm like, yo, uh-uh. I gave her the wig after the show.
Look, and you're fired. So that's it.
How hard is it to work with family? Oh, my God. Because you hear a lot.
Some people say it's okay. Some people say, no, family and friends, when it comes to business when it comes to work relationship leave it alone leave it alone yeah sometimes it can work shannon sometimes it can but oftentimes it will not um and then sometimes it starts off great and it can go for years and years and years and then a person you'll see the jealousy you'll see because now they paying attention to your pockets yeah yeah what so what you're going to do uh what you could do for them right you know and and how you can and then sometimes people want to be you and you don't even realize that you know what i mean and so they become it first at first it feels like a weird obsession and until they get upset with you about something and then they start.
Telling you they are the reason that you are where you are, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I tell that one joke, not now you ain't even help. Right.
None of this. None of this.
You don't get up every morning and get on the show. Listen, you don't.
You don't. You're not flying back and forth and you're not being away from your damn kids.
And you're you're not having to deal with controversy after and trying to figure out like how you can keep this ship moving. Right.
Without me, none of y'all eat. And I need y'all to know that.
And I don't even like throwing that out there like that. But that's me right there.

You know, I gave y'all jobs and positions and y'all just did whatever with it.

Taking advantage.

And I'm a really, really kind-hearted person.

I'm not a pushover, but I love very hard.

And I had to make some very tough decisions um firing family and actually not speaking to a few of them now like yeah man people still and people just yeah they'll sabotage you if they feel like they ain't getting enough you know you were the first lady of bml how was that experience working with vivica fox was amazing i love her i love her love her um she checks on me she hits me up she checked on me even after doing the uh the production uh doing after doing the movie with her so yeah that was amazing that was good doing that but you had a little you you and uh little mech had a little issue y'all resolved that um no he got other stuff to do now. Like, he got some other resolving he needs to do at this point.
But he had came to Wildin' Out. He's a little busty.
That's all I said. But I didn't say it first.
I ain't even going there. Hey, y'all, Lord Meets Musty.
It was somebody else.

But you said it.

I think from another city.

No, I co-signed it.

Oh, okay.

All right.

So you're responsible.

He did smell that one time

that he was up there.

Because if you get an apartment

and you can't get it

and I co-signed it,

you don't pay for it,

who they going to hit up?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they,

but it was one of his fans

who he did a club hosting and she had went online and she had said, Lord, me it's tight. And then we reported it up at the breakfast club.
And I said, well, he did have a little stitch when he came up at Wild N' Out. You know, it wasn't too crazy.
He could have been out the night before and just didn't have time to hit the showers, you know, but he got upset. And, you know, because he was with Summer Walker.
Yeah, they got, he need, you need to tell him they got wipes i got the wipes whoa whoa so summer walker came to you the 50 came at you yeah man she she was like she ain't like come at me crazy but you know when summer be in love she be in love and she don't it don't care what it don't matter what them guys do she gonna go back go to bat for them guys right now she had came out and she was just like um this little girl want him or something like that i'm like little girl baby excuse me but around my birthday right this is ci double a weekend this was two years ago i had a birthday party and little mitch was in town for ci double a he was doing a party right down the street from my birthday party i dm'd him and said hey did because i wanted some more star power at my party i said hey um i don't know what you're doing after your party but if you want to stop past my birthday party we do have a section for you or whatever you know something like that this man screenshotted that and posted it after i said that he was a little musty you know like i was trying get with him. And then what I got mad at Summer about was you so damn dumb.
You think that was me trying to get at him? If I was Summer, I'd have been like, no, babe, this ain't nothing to use. This is not like you can't post this.
If you're going to come at her, come at her. But she ain't trying to get with you here.
Like, come on, let's just use your mind as a woman or your heart as a woman.

Like, you know, I wasn't trying to get with that little boy.

He looked like Rob Schneider.

You know, the guy, the Deuce Bigalow, male gigalow dude.

But she called you a lot of names and say you're ugly.

No, did she call me a lot of names?

I think she just said this little girl with something.

She called you ugly?

She called me ugly. Oh, my God.
They used one chromosome away? I didn't even know she even said that word. She said one chromosome away from what? There's two chromosomes if you, me.
She, I'm gonna pray for her too. I'm glad you didn't know that i'm glad i didn't

i'm glad that you told me no let it go that was years ago but i had no idea let it go that she

tried to call me one of them let it go all right that that's what he did he let it go and then

she had to move on and all of that that cousin wasn't that cousin that cousin was somebody he was dealing with so he let your ass go see there you go I can't believe she said that what's the next question this concludes the first half of my conversation part 2 is also posted And you can access it to whichever podcast platform

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