Melissa McCarthy and Ben Falcone

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We've got a good one today, Dana. One of my favorites, Melissa McCarthy.
I've been trying to get her on here for a while, but her and Ben Falcone, her husband, came in. And lots of good hard laughs, along with some info and interesting stuff.
Right. We get, we get into basically a classic as of now bridesmaids and how she got that part, what she did in the part and how that came through.
We talk about ghostbusters, the all female cast that she was a part of. And we talk about when she went on SNL for a few episodes, doing Spicer and driving the podium around New York.
And Ben Falcone, her husband, who directs a lot of her movies, super smart, nice guy. And just their marital relationship as also being work-life partners.
And you'll see him in a lot of these movies because if you don't know him by the name, you'll know him because- He's a funny performer as well. He sat next to her in Bridesmaids.
I'll say that. I think everyone's seen the movie already, but every time I get on a flight, there's someone watching Bridesmaids.
Yeah. Still, to this day.
It's a great movie. And I'd not, Melissa had worked, but then that one just like blew her up, exploded, because she was so good in that movie and just had this long career.
They're very humble, nice people, easy to talk to. So I would press play if that's what you do.
Or just keep, or don't press, stop. Did they meet in the Groundlings? Is that how it happened? Yes, they met in the Groundlings.
And we do talk about their love relationship and when they knew and when they first saw each other. And it really happened in one class, one time when Ben gets on stage.
You'll hear that story. It's really fun.
So here they are. Melissa McCarthy and Ben Falcone.
Ah, they're crammed in Hey alright Oh this is cute We've never had A loving duo We've had little wide shots But nobody kind of Cozied up like that We're getting divorced Later this afternoon Don't worry about is my theory, and it didn't work. My theory is that when couples come out, celebrity couples, and say it's just never been better, it's just so much love, and they're on Instagram and stuff, divorce six weeks later.
That was my theory, but I fucked up with Ben Affleck. I thought they were going to stay together because it seemed so obvious that they were having trouble.
So fucking real. Yeah.
You can swear on this podcast, but we won't swear very much. Dana and I are separating later today also.
Oh, no. What hotel are you guys staying in? I mean, you don't have to say the name, but that's a very nice.
That's not your house, is it? This is. Yeah.
We have a little place here. Oh, here that is we don't want ever we cause we don't want to cause anything wait but are you shooting something right now presently i she is i me well or she did only murders in the building is everywhere i did i did that a lot David, but it's out now.
It's on a Hulu.

That is a being oh my god being there with marty and steve and like that whole group that was there it was like a fever dream like i literally was like so when i wake up and they're just like that didn't happen but you've been really ill i was like okay just enjoy it now because it seemed crazy eugene levy zach galifaniakis ava gunt longoria playing themselves molly shannon and then you play steve martin's sister yeah it must have been uh it must have been a fun set like everybody just goofing around right must have been a fun set does it ever get serious You like that guy yeah i like him he digs deep um no it was so fun it was like martin like well you know but like marty just he never stops making fun of steve and it was like the greatest sporting event i've ever um got to watch and steve just like wouldn't acknowledge and i was like i could i could watch this like all day every day plus doesn't steve help right because to have someone like those two guys even throwing jokes in or just being in the vicinity of how fun it's just too perfect it's for yeah they're they're a bit they're dream boats i'll say it i'll say it too i those are my two uh mount Rushmores because I'm in college in the late 70s. One's on SCTV and one is touring the world in stadiums and wild and crazy guys.
So those are my two from my age group. Yes, which is my age group.
Yeah, those were like two of the guys you were just like, you're never going to meet them. That'd be crazy.
That guy's doing what i want to do better than i'll ever do it right now on television but i can dream you know so you are not currently promoting anything you two for this podcast or are you we are we are well that's okay anyway let's get it out of the way and then i've got some uh pretty deep divey questions. Yeah.
Well, if it's on a post-it, it's pretty intense. Those look like one word.
He just showed us something where I just see serious one word. Bread.
Raccoon. Don't give it away, Dan.
Not give it away. They don't see it.
No. I have others.
Six hours ahead. Okay.
What are you currently,

what,

what is,

um,

uh,

I was going for the name of your production company only for us.

One at a time on the day productions. What is on the day productions up to?

Well,

uh,

Ben and our good friend,

Steve Mallory,

who we've written movies with these,

we met him at groundlings,

super funny guy.

They have written this

bizarre medieval comedy that so we're doing a podcast that's like a radio play so you always explain it best yeah so like we just did the hardest version of doing a podcast that you could ever do right so we yeah because that's i sort of thought oh it'd be fun to a podcast, but then it's all everything that you have to do with a live action

production, except we don't have the visual part, but I mean,

it's literally, it's a fully produced show called Hildy the bar back in the

lake of fire. And it's a comedy medieval, you know, radio play.

It's like basically like a book on tape. Yeah.

But with a ton of different voices and funny people,

super funny, super funny people. And then they were like, Oh,

we should make it harder. There's an original song in each one.

And I'm like,

Thank you. basically like a book on tape.
Yeah. Um, but with a ton of different voices and funny people, super funny, super funny people.
And then they were like, Oh, we should make it harder. There's an original song in each one.
And I'm like, we're doing this really poorly. Yeah.
This is taking so much work, but it's really fun. I did it during the pandemic.
One call it's called the weird place. Went through everything you just mentioned, just making a film, but just audially and all the different rules and games of like drawing them in and effects and music and mixing and voices yeah so i i have empathy for you too what you've just been through yeah and just being like and when when i first read it also like part of the joke of the like the first thing is everything is with a G.
So it's like, you know, Gelendorf and Glendria and and I literally was like, I

I Also, part of the joke, the first thing is everything is with a G. So it's like, you know, Gelendorf and Glendria.

And I literally was like, I don't know if I could read.

It was breaking my brain.

And then I was like, oh, I think at 54, I figured out I might be dyslexic.

And because I couldn't get through his script.

I don't do Gs well either.

I was like, wow.

Fun facts.

Fun facts.

He said, these are the things we're learning. I might be dyslexic.
Ecar. Camille.
Sorry. I'm trying to McCarthy backwards.
Pretty good attempt. Let me ask you this.
How many episodes and how long are they? There are eight episodes in season one. They're about 30 minutes long a piece.
And they're writing season two now. We are writing season two.
And is it out now? October 25th, the first episode drops, and then every Friday after that. Okay.
Perfect, perfect. Now, it's basically, it sounds like it's like writing a movie or TV show that hard.
And then, but it's for this. So it's a lot to get for an audience for a podcast.
That's good. It's good for the audience.
It's a lot. And there's so, it is like so many weird tricks.
Cause when you're like, well, wait, we're talking about like, you know, there's centaur, like all of these things. And I'm like, how do you, how do how do you describe this crazy like middle earth world that's also a comedy without just pure exposition yeah so that was the biggest thing was to try to and so octavia spencer is our narrator so that was step one so we've just got a great narrator so she she can say kind of anything and it works yeah it seemed definitely you're like oh that sounds well geez we're smart smoky boys voice.
Yes. And she can fill in gaps and stuff to explain.
Malupio was sad as he galloped through the forest on his brave stallion. He drew a sceptre at an oncoming stranger.
You're hired. You're hired.
I was going to say. You're in.
Absolutely. Here's the deal, which you guys are ready for.
but maybe this will become a feature film because it is like sort of a you know or a series but you you know i learned with that one because we had eight and everyone loved it and they came out oh yada da da do now where's nine uh what that was so much work. You're like, never.
It's like Bridgerton. You got to go in 2028.
We will have the next one. Yeah.
So you just be ready for that. You'll have super fans that'll be obsessed by it.
And when's the next episode? 2028, bitches. You don't have to say bitches.
I just threw that out. I like it.
And I'll steal a Spade's Bridgerton thing. I'll be like, yeah, I just thought of that.
Take anything. Is it PG-13 or do you have actual audio sex scenes in this thing? Let's get to it.
Oh. There's lots of swearsies in it.
Lots of swearsies. And then there's centaurs that are super sexually fluid that want to hit everything in front of it except me.
And actually the elves, kingdom of elves. That sounds funny.
And the elves have sex with everybody except for Hildy, who's Melissa's character. Why is Hildy not getting any action? And then as a parting gift, they give gifts to everybody and various things.
And then I'm like, oh, what is this? Is it a magic potion? And they're like, it's conditioner for your hair. For your really dry hair.
Your hair is so dry. Okay, so I get where it's coming.
Does your character ever pound? Do you ever pound on the chest of a prince and say You impossible beast Again we're hiring That character Season 2 yes You impossible beast Do I have to climb inside the giant's She does She stabs a giant in his urethra So this this, okay, so it's Fantastic Voyage in a different way.

You're going inside the body through the urethra.

So it's sort of an adult show.

Just at once.

It's adult.

It's an adult, for sure. It's adult.

Okay.

And the title is Prancing in the Enchanted Forest.

Now, what is it?

It went out of my brain.

I'm sorry.

Hildy. Hildy and the Gildy Monsters.
Gildy the Barbak and the Lake of Fire. Because she's a Barbak.
Okay. That's a joke.
Barbak. I love Barbak, Lake of Fire.
That's funny. There we go.
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Follow and listen to Rule Breakers with Soraya, an Odyssey podcast available now for free on the Odyssey app and wherever you get your podcasts. Melissa, I was on the road this weekend and I realized when people talk about the weather,

it's just a nice thing to talk about and people think it's very trite.

But if you're in an elevator, you go, it's kind of hot today.

And they go, oh, yeah, everyone sort of agrees.

It's a good starter.

And you say, what's going on with Lebanon?

Right before they get off.

So you just kind of switch it up. Because you say, we've laid the groundwork.
We all agree on something. And then now, let's fight.
You put a base coat, and then you just really get in there. You understand.
When can you not say, isn't the political environment crazy? When is that shelf life? Can you still kind of announce that in an elevator? What's going on, man? It's crazy out there. It actually about it so you can't do that you can't even say it's just nuts let's not talk about this and they go well and then you go we're gonna make sure that you don't talk i'm where do you want to go because i'm kind of my first blink instinct besides promoting this is uh the husband-wife dynamic creatively and so i wrote a list a list of husbands who've directed their wives there's the list and i think it's kind of interesting this dynamic what it does to your relationship or how i can't you know all that stuff and how you communicate robert roberto rosalini Bergman.
Sure. Okay.
Okay. Vincent Minnelli and Judy Garland.
True. Again.
Okay. Judd Apatow and Leslie Apatow.
Noam. Yes.
Seen in action. Yep.
John Krasinski, Emily Blunt. Sure.
Ben Stiller, Christine. That worked out well Oh yeah Yeah I thought The Quiet Place What did he direct her in? The Quiet Place Twice Twice Yeah And those are great movies Sam Mendes And Kate Winslet Right And Ben Is it Falcone Or Falcon Falcone Falcone Yep Falcone That's pretty cool I wish it pretty cool I mean if it was Falcon He's Falcon When the kids go to bed He becomes the Falcon I mean it's I was a kid I would say it was Falcon Aviator He flies.

I'm on Daily Mail most of the time,

so I know what is happening in the world.

It's cocaine for an immature brain.

But anyway, just... So you guys really started working together,

and it was sort of like...

This is my blink on that.

It's like you're doing a movie,

Ben's writing or producing...

What's your blink?

And then it's like a small leap to like... Because I always kids I tell the kids people under 50 you know directing is blink because they think well I know this lens and I know a 45 L's you know it's all about blink right and so if your husband's there and his blink is the best on the set well what who it was organically happened right? You direct it.
You know? And then what's Blink? Blink is like... What is Link?

Blink? Blink is like, Blink is Spielberg looking at Robert Shaw doing, and there's a take and he goes, yes, that's, that's it. Who has a gut instinct to kind of know when it's working and then what to do with the pieces.
And that can i mean i was on a movie once and the makeup artist was the smartest guy in on the film sure he just was talking casually and he just had this blink instinct of when it was working why it was working yeah the kid's saying blink i like blink i just made it up you it's like fetch Dana's starting it today I'm gonna go Next time I leave an elevator

I'm gonna go next time i leave an elevator i'm gonna go you guys i just saying this you all have really good blink in here and walk out yeah get it going get it going get it trending no we met we met at groundlings okay you met at groundlings that was the first problem we met at the groundlings that's a problem and first blank we just would write together all the time and like he in and perform together and then when we first got a chance to actually do a movie we were meeting people nothing was working out and it really was like i think it was it was toby but somebody but somebody like you, why doesn't, why doesn't Ben direct it?

And I was like, cause we kept going back to,

nobody knew the story as well as he did.

And then since we wrote it, they said we could direct it.

And then she was filming a movie.

So basically then she couldn't go direct it.

So then I ended up directing it and she ended up producing it.

So it was like a, that kind of vibe.

Which is pretty weird when you never think you're going to get to do

anything. And then you get to do your own thing.
I just remember us driving on the lot and literally being like, Oh my God. Kicked off.
I mean, they're all look, people are looking at us. Like we're supposed to know something.
And we're just like, Oh my God. It's like, that wasn't Tammy.
What was it tammy tammy was the first one and that was that was great can i go back for a second just into romance for a second because we have a lot of fans because of david just so you meet and the the arc or the evolution of when was the thought that first came into either head like i think i want to i might want to marry this person was it was it week one a year later or you're not sure don't remember and i'll let you know no i'm kidding hey um no i knew i knew kind of immediately we were in a class you're also like everyone's just trying to be the bigger like idiot to make people laugh. And everyone's, we were doing monologues and including myself, it was like stupid and loud.
And somebody was really loud before you were even going to be really louder. And then Ben got up to do his and he was someone's new

prison roommate

or cellmate

or their roommates

I'm putting a gentle

spin on it but he was really

really quiet

and he just did and it was like

he wasn't competing with anybody and everyone

was like kind of leaning forward because it was

super creepy but super funny

and I immediately was

like oh he's doing like

Thank you. he wasn't competing with anybody and everyone was like kind of leaning forward because it was super creepy, but super funny.

And I immediately was like, Oh, he's doing like, he's not trying too hard.

He's doing his own thing. And I literally, I think like,

that was the first day. And I, I think I already knew I was like,

Oh, I kind of like him. Like it was immediately like, I was fascinated and I thought, Oh, I like that.

He's not having to like be the loudest, craziest. And he's what he's doing is funnier than everybody else.
So I was like, blink, blink. Okay.
Ben's Ben's same story. She had a blink first day.
Same story for you choosing in that moment to go quiet, getting kind of looking at her out of the side of your eye. Wait she sees this or no was it a flirting bit or was it just a regular comedy bit you're trying to work the room yeah um okay so when when i was doing that monologue i i knew i liked melissa a lot because she it i she felt like a friend that i wanted to hang out with immediately and then the love bloomed shortly thereafter um the that particular monologue i just was i think it was the first one that we'd all done so i was just panicked and i thought i was doing terrible and i was saying i remember one of my lines was uh i know i'm not the prettiest owl in the barn but i'm still fun to work with or something like that like we're in shit where i'm like what am i what am i saying why am i talking like this and then she and she says everyone was laughing they were not there was one person laughing this lady was laughing i i felt like i was tanking but i was like so when i started tanking i think what she liked is that i went softer instead of louder because i was like well i'm clearly bombing so i going to go, I'm going to do this.
Was it smooth sailing after that? Or were there any other, you know, an acting classes or like sex labs? Were there any other suitors for either of you? Oh yeah. I got so emotional.
You come to the backseat of my car. So, but you two.
This class was so deep. You know, acting classes.
I mean, come on. It's a Petri dish so deep you know acting classes

I mean come on it's a petri dish

it really is

they tell you to make out with someone in a scene

do you have to kiss ever in scenes

or no it's not really acting

I mean it's acting but it's more improv

or you have to read scenes

and they were written scenes

and improv scenes both

but no we never like we never did anything like there was no like oh well right like a smooch into a scene so i can kiss him it's more like afterwards at like a really dive bar i was like well if you mean if you're gonna hang out i'll have enough if you're gonna have another beer i'll have if we want to hang out so wage machine. Cause we're like, we wanted to hang out, but we, we should have.
And no one would make a move kind of thing. Yeah.
Oh, that's so sweet. There was like, no one revealed their call, their cards initially.
Sooner laying out. No, cause I think we became such good friends.
And also like, it's that weird thing of when you're like, I'd like to change the dynamic. Like, I don't know how, I think both of us didn't know how to weirdly bring that up.
But if you're like, I'd like to change the dynamic. I don't know how.
I think both of us didn't know how to weirdly bring that up, but we were both. I've been wondering about changing the dynamic.
That's a funny line. I'd like to change this in a different direction.
Is this character the change-the-dynamic guy in a movie? Because that's pretty funny. I'd like to change the dynamic.
Something Garth would say. I like to change the dynamic.
He starts talking about owls when he gets nervous.

Well, what about you also, if you say that and then the other person isn't into it, then it ruins everything.

I know.

The dynamic changes no matter what.

Not only would a relationship not work out, but then you're going to lose someone who's become one of your closest friends.

So you just did it.

And then.

So it was like a weird, a weird start. But that was, what, 25 years ago? Good Lord.
And then you start working together. Start doing stuff.
And the first one together was Tammy. But you were doing a movie before that.
Or you were on Gilmore Girls at some point. We had done Br done bridesmaids together we were we were married yeah we were already married yeah we were married on that okay married 19 years just a couple of days ago yeah so I'm not I went to I went to junior college I'm gonna call it 2005 then yeah 19.
19, around. Yes, actually.
Yeah.

And so Bridesmaids, when was that?

When was that era?

That would have been-

2000.

I have it, 11.

11.

Yeah.

So you've been married six years when that happens.

And when does Tammy happen?

Is that the first time Ben directed?

Yeah, that was not so long after Bridesmaids.

Two years after?

I think it came out, 2014.

Yeah.

Okay.

I don't know you guys were connected in any way in real life. And when he comes, it's just such a great score part and funny.
And of course, Melissa was, did you know after that, Melissa, was that sort of a bumping up, move the needle sort of situation? Oh, yeah. For for everybody oh my god that's because i we were all in groundlings together and like we couldn't believe when we like when annie and christian were like we're writing a movie for judd i just remember all of us being like is that possible like we were truly just like we're so happy for them but it was also literally like saying something that you're like, what? Like we couldn't process it, but it was so exciting.
And then they had been casting it for a while. And then they called me to come in and I almost didn't because I got so nervous.
I knew this was such a big moment for them. And I got a little nervous.
I was like, Oh my God, if I'm too weird and I don't want to make them, if I'm going and I'm weird and then I don't want it to reflect poorly on them. So the whole way there, I was like, I shouldn't go.
And I don't do, I never had done that for other auditions, but this is also the first time our good friends were at the helm of it. You're auditioning for your good friends.
Yeah. And like Paul Feig and John are in there.
And you don't even know if it's like a favor or if it's like, do I ruin it for them? Yeah, I was like, I don't want to screw up. And then they're somehow damaged.
So I went in and I was reading with Kristen and because we knew each other so well. So we kind of went off the rails and we were like, we did the audition, but also we were improvising.
And I got back in the car and I'm like, oh, my God. I think I said something about hand play with a dolphin.
Because I was just kind of working with her and then I forgot. And I was like, I was too weird.
I was like, I was too weird. Yeah, she came home and she was like, I played.
I talked about sex with a dolphin. And I'm like, I've got to call them and apologize.
And then when I got it, I was like, wait, what? So it was so fun. What do you say to say to her ben when she comes in and says i don't know i might have blown it i mean how do you well hey honey i you're great you know i mean what's uh what do you say well you know honestly because she said i think i i think i might have gone too far because i said something about hand play with a dolphin and of course i was like funny that sounds pretty funny to me so that's a funny phrase hand play with a dolphin that will they'll hear that and go at least on the set you can turn her up or down but she will come up with shit to say and then you can use it or not that's probably what happened i've never funny as fuck yeah it was that whole movie caught everybody off guard there was uh the hangover the first one and uh tropic thunder some will ferrell movies yeah and then this movie to this day my sister sends me youtube clips of scenes from that movie and i wasn't i didn't really watch the gilmore girls i guess i knew of you or something but when i saw you in the movie it was just all new to me uh the character you were playing how confident you were and everything and some about that's just like one of those movies that just is a great comedy you know for all when everyone's scoring too you know scoring and everybody yeah and it was so like on set you were how Paul and Kristen and Annie were they're just like yeah do it like go go go like try it try it do whatever like we have it we have it the way it's written now do whatever you want and when you have people like that just like they're rooting for you actively to be like a total jackass it's like you it just felt like we were back at the theater and you know we're like i don't know it's funny for us because i had never done everything that i did at the groundlings was kind of more bombastic and the only thing i'd ever really done was kind of more mild and like and gilmore girls but so it was so fun and but i don't know that we thought people were gonna we didn't know how it was received.
And even that weekend, people were like, really manage expectations. We don't think it's going well.

And I was like, but I think it's really funny.

And they were like, we know the metrics on these things.

It's not going to go well.

And I was like, I think you're wrong.

Metrically, it might not be funny.

I know.

And I was like, what a terrible call to get.

It seems like all the movies that work is like, there's got to be some improv involved.

Because when you're in a scene, you can write it, you can read it, you can table read it.

Thank you. What a terrible call to get.
It seems like all the movies that work is like, there's gotta be some improv involved because when you're in a scene, you can, you can write it, you can read it, you can table read it. And then when you get out there, there's always just something alive about right that second of like, here we are.
That's funny over there. I'm going to mention this.
And then whatever it is, somehow, as long as you get maybe an extra take in, my experience is those, the ones that people, they, they remember the throwaways and the weirdest shit totally over time. It might not be the biggest laugh, but then later they go, that means something.
I just think that's the magic. Yeah.
Yeah. Gary, and Larry, David, and I, that to have Kristen back there who knows what it's like to be out in with the bullets.
And Both of you, have you been in really shitty experiences where the script supervisor looks up and says, uh, your hand was on the table when you said that line, you know, that kind of constriction and a director that's never been in front of the camera. So a little undercutty or awkward.
I mean, maybe you guys took control of your career so early, but did you have any experience like that that because that sounds like heaven to me to be out there and look up and seeing kristen wig and paul and they're feeding you lines too like you can run in a line to kristen she can run in one to you and you're like oh my god everybody's doing on that movie you hear something you shout out to somebody else like yeah yeah don't think don't don't think just go go do it do it yeah yeah because i've definitely had that because that was like the first time i didn't know sets could be like that at all because i'd had you know guest stars and stuff where you're literally just expected to come in hit your mark say your line in a way that if you're on a multi-cam the audience laughs a little bit if you're not you make the director smile a little bit and you go home and you're like i don't know know if I'm going to be in the movie or not, you know. And this was the first time that I didn't think about any of that stuff.
In fact, to your point earlier, I used to choose props that didn't help me at all because I didn't want to ruin stuff. Because, you know, script, you might come in and go, you have that in your left hand when you said the first part of your three part line.
And I'd be like,

so then I would just like put stuff down and I'd just be standing there

with my hands just like,

you know,

so I've definitely,

well,

they would,

you always think you're not going to not use a,

a great take because the editing might be a hair off.

Who gives a shit?

We're not winning an editing award.

It's like people get it.

They go,

this was the funniest one.

Even though you had a different shirt on in one of the cuts and the matching department all doing their job makeup and coming in really are you i think it's good no um could we do a little and the hair no i think so but the more thrown away it was but whatever happened in that movie it just bounces it's like and it's got such a following rose was an unsung hero too rose did such a great job with her supposedly straight part i know i only knew her from damages which i was like she was so good in that like that show was so incredible but it was so like heavy and dark and then she came in and i was like oh you're also really really fucking funny i was like that seems like you've got two scoops and you're all but i do have to say it's a rip-off she's so good she is the greatest worst person to break she breaks there's a scene on the airplane if you look close you can see her magazine she's literally just because she just laughs fully out loud and she and it's like so endearing but she was like i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry but then finally she could not stop laughing and she was in the background of us and there's a part in the movie where you just see Rosie's little arms go up and she's like, and she has a magazine up, but they're shaking.

And. in the background of us and there's a part in the movie where you just see rosie's little arms go up

and she's like and she has a magazine up but they're shaking and it makes me laugh oh my god i'm gonna look for that it's great that's the one magic of film is that you're not supposed to laugh so it creates this tension like being at the dinner table at thanksgiving and the uncle falls Was it Spy?

You were with her at Spy?

Oh, my God.

Yes, with her and her 42 pounds of hair. Yeah.
Spy was another hysterical one. I've seen so many you've been in there.
Always such a fucking, they're so great. You do such a good job.
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The Heat, St. Vincent's, anyone you want.

Spy, can you ever forgive me Oscar nomination Oscar nomination yes I mean that was like the best Sandy was great too Sandy Bullock I feel like I got Bateman and Sandy really early and i i think it's like i just felt like it was like oh i got really lucky to work really early with two people that are like delightful humans but also like really pros like great set etiquette super nice people and i was like oh like this is you can just be like a normal human know what they're doing yeah you were like the crazy person with both of them and that's great and if they can hold up their end and get their laughs because sometimes it's a thankless part sometimes if you're the straight man but straight man's so important to make it all work and they're so good it's like yeah there's there's i guess it's the straight man parts but like they were both so funny that you're like, well, I don't know. It's not very straight, but I get the, I get the roles, but I don't know.
I think it's kind of magic when you can do that, but you're still getting laughs. I'm like, that's a tightrope.
Right. I mean, but it's such a, those both were great.
I remember that ID theft you're talking about, right? And identity theft, what was it called? Identity thief. I've never said it right.
I think it wound up identity thief. I think every time I did press for it, they're like, hey, great job.
That's not the name of the movie. Because at some point, while we were filming, it was just a weird, constant barrage of like, ID thief, ID thieves.
It was so much constantly looking at different names and by the time i got to press i was just like i didn't yeah but i said it wrong i think on every single thing and they were like we'd love for you to get the name right i'm like well there's certain titles david just did a special and his especially did two years ago remember it was really hard even for you to remember the title. I don't remember it.
Even now. Is it Nothing Personal? Nothing Personal.
A stand-up special on Netflix. But the name is- I think it was called, the first one was My Fake Problems.
And then the second one was Nothing Personal. Because I made fun of people.
And so I called it Nothing called nothing personal but no one and plus who remembers the name you just go personal personal nobodies what is it and then i did another one friday and this will air in six years and then the special will be three years over and then i'll be what's the name of it we don't know so i didn't even have one at that point i didn't know what i was wearing until the show shot at seven and i had three things backstage at seven they're like pick one we gotta get you out there and i'm like this one's sort of slimming but and they were like what do you wouldn't why wouldn't you do this a week and a half ago because i'm lazy and i'm a guy and i'm like this doesn't even fit me at all i put on something i just bought and I go, not my size. They're like, can't you just throw it on once before we start?

This is. And I'm like, this doesn't even fit me at all.
I put on something I just bought and I go, not my size. And they're like, can't you just throw it on once before we start? This isn't your problem, Melissa.
Yeah. Let's get back to it.
I'm making it your problem. That's what we call a detour.
I'll do your fittings. She would love to be part of those fittings.
Can you just mark them for me and I'll take them in? I'm just going to do fittings for you for hours. Okay.
Every stand up who shows up to a special has not totally decided on what they're going to wear. According to this producer I taught.
Well, they all do that last second. Should I? Just nerves.
It's the least important part. That's the problem is that I'm like, I'm worried about my stupid jokes.
And then they're like, well, those are all falling flat. So let's try to get them with the outfit.
But if you're out there and you're like, God, this shirt feels so weird. Isn't that distracting? Well, Eddie Murphy did that, right? With that one.
Didn't he do the one where he wore a little red leather or something? And I don't remember because it was so long ago, but I was like, yeah, look, he had a cool outfit on. That's for sure.
That's all I remember. Red leather jumpsuit with a little phallic chain on it.
He's also cool. Yeah.
So if it's me, I can't try too hard. Anything too far from J.Crew and they start to go.
I don't know. I would line up to see you in a red leather jumpsuit or two piece.
Just consider it. A romper've seen people that go here's my special look at my special outfit and everyone's like i can't even think of the jokes we're wondering why did you who okayed this this look because it's so be it's so not what you are you know so i just go i gotta be able to move my arms because i do a lot of Well, that would be a good start.
Hi, folks. You're just in a restraining jacket.
Yeah, you're just like, hey, now, do I lift my arms ever? Because if I don't, this is perfect. I want to see the show in a tight jacket.
I'll send you a copy. I'll send you a copy.
You're going to get it ahead of everyone. I know, I get it.
Thank you. Okay, this is like a game show pick a topic okay ghostbusters hosting snl five times the four sean spicers oh god um you don't you have five seconds you these are a spicer oh spicers ghostbusters Ghostbusters.
So what was the deal with Ghostbusters?

There you go.

It became controversial because it was women doing Ghostbusters.

What is that?

I mean, it's just too stupid where people were like, you're ruining my childhood.

I'm like, I, from the sound of you, I think you had a pretty shitty childhood without us doing anything.

Good answer.

Like if you're saying that like 30 years later, because women are going to like in the world of redos and all that, I was just like, I found it funny and like really stupid. I was just like, then don't go see it, but ruining your childhood.
Like you seem pretty banged up already. Right.
Maybe just be quiet and then skip it. Listen, I love Ghostbusters, the regular one.
But when I see four or five funny people, you go, there's something funny here. There's no way, Melissa, Chris, whoever was in it.
I'm like, they're all funny. Something's funny.
There's no way you can't. There's nothing.
There's no way you can put all in a room yeah i i think you know it's a totally funny weird group and paul feig's like such a funny guy and such a good director i do think there was just like so many for some reason because it was like oh this is a thing so instead of us just running off and like doing what we do there were a lot of cooks in that kitchen and that just never is good for comedy it's just like everybody wanted a different thing so you're like why don't you just let funny people and paul feig kind of do their thing and it's it's been working okay you're like when the less cooks the better always works better when they're not trying to please every quadrant. So uncomfortable somebody who's super not funny is like here's what's a better idea and you're like i'm telling you from the bottom of my heart it's not a better idea but yeah i agree there you go that's why you guys taking control and doing your own things you don't answer to anyone right with your movies pretty much or you do you have good notes all the time we we get we sure we get notes you know oh thank goodness tammy tammy did pretty well and so then we you know got to make more basically yeah i mean but everybody always you know they want you to do even better and then you know as we were doing more like streaming was coming around and you know comedies started being less in the movie theater at all and you know so that we were trying to just you know basically navigate the more or less landscape yeah i just wanted to make a funny movie bigger problems bigger yeah opinions yes agree totally and i think that yeah i think it's like, and we like getting notes because if somebody is confused or they're like, hey, this seems, that's a good bell to ring to be like, oh, then how do we make it even better? If we like this, but it's confusing to somebody.
I'd love to get that note because I'm like, let's clear it up now and not have to try to reverse engineer it in post. And I love a test screening.
You know, I know guys have been through tons of them i'm sure but i like them just because i like to make sure because sometimes you could have you know maya rudolph and melissa mccarthy on screen and i'm like well they're the funniest and that was the joke that all made us laugh but then for some reason it doesn't make an audience laugh so i love the idea that then we can switch it out and make something that yeah is going make everybody laugh because that's obviously the goal. And it comes down to clarity.
You don't want to belabor the clarity, but if the audience isn't quite sure what you're going for,

then they go quiet.

And so that's where a test screening would go,

okay, either we have to swap it out

or do something expositional right before it.

It's still complicated because there's always a test screening

where a joke no one saw coming gets left,

or it's just a pause, or it's just a cutaway and you're like holy shit that was the biggest laugh i don't even know why your favorite jokes do okay and you're like this is why no one has it perfectly because you just don't know in the way the edit or the cut or that you just said oh my god that's why comedy free laughs of something we never. Totally.
I know. So there's some laughs that we get where I'm like, what? I can't, I couldn't have told you on the day.
I still don't understand it. And then there's jokes that like, I still am like, it's one of my top five.
And we cut it because it just didn't land. But I was like, I stand by the joke.
I'll take it out because I accept. I stand by my performance.
It's funny how i stand by my performance it's funny how universally a whole audience will laugh at something you don't see coming and you're like they all saw so i didn't even see it on the monitor they all saw something just now and they all agreed we're laughing at this one and you go am i in the business i don't even know totally it's so weird but it's it's the that's kind of the fun of it but yeah yeah it when it works it's it's so satisfying and you get a good cut and it's really flowing and working and getting laughs i mean it's such a high because filmmaking is really freaking hard getting all the trucks and the crew and how are you with the coffee at five yeah it's gonna be fun today to do the dumbest joke're wasting all this time. Does anyone have a rubber chicken? And you're like waiting an hour going, what are we doing? And they're like, it's just for a drop in this scene.
They go, and you see the teamster guy goes, this is what we're fucking wasting time with. You're like, it might be one lap and they're so hard to get.
You could get a breakfast burrito at the truck if you go now. They're going to shut down breakfast second the main the main quest for the day i gotta get my hands on a bird i can't tell you how many times i've been waiting for something and then we do it and the crew just looks at you so pissed because they're like we waited for that which is like such pressure because you're still like and then you can tell they're just like jesus i don't know assholes in charge? I did a thing with Paul Feig in Spy where I don't know why I found it the funniest thing.
I would weirdly take my foot out of my shoe and I would just hold, because I had like nylon Peds on, you know, those little like half no-show socks. And I just kept weirdly like putting it in camera for paul and then we just got on a weird laughing jag and then underneath this is so stupid by the way did not make the movie we could not stop laughing because i was like i think her feet are cramping and so we shot for like eight minutes my feet just in these weird weird little stockings, like kind of seizing up and having arches.
And I was like rubbing them. And literally, finally, one of the cameramen that I really loved, he goes, for fuck's sake, how long are we going to shoot this? And Paul and I were laughing so hard we were crying.
And then everybody else was just like.

Yeah.

That's funny.

It did not make the movie.

Foot acting.

Can we stop with the foot acting, please?

He's so, I was like.

I just can't.

You go, we're out of film.

And you go, okay.

And then everyone goes, we can't run out of film.

There's no film.

But that's what they used to say in the old movies.

Yeah.

Running out of film.

And I go, oh, they hurry up your ad-libbing, basically.

Fly in the gate. Remember Fly in the Gate? Oh, yeah.
Hair up your ad-libbing, basically. Fly in the gate.

Remember Fly in the Gate?

Oh, yeah.

Hair in the gate.

Oh, my God.

Hair in the gate.

Yeah.

Best take of my life.

My first movie, we didn't have a playback.

I mean, it sounds stupid.

It's not stupid.

Obviously, no movies did, but you just do it.

When was your first movie?

Jerry Lewis invented the playback.

Where are we going here?

It was Abbott and Costello

and Spades.

Go to Mars.

Go to Mars.

Or go to Nordstrom's.

They travel to a bad script.

And so, anyway,

I told Dana, I had a crew guy

go, he's just sitting next to me, I'm

waiting for my mark to go, and he goes,

I don't know who read this script, but some of these jokes are clanking. And I'm like, first of all, I wrote it with somebody.
And I was like, do you know I'm in it? I'm about to walk in. I've been here for six weeks.
That's kind of rude. For me to you, two professionals, I think I can throw in my opinion.
I'm like, you cannot. You can't do it before they say action.
Got too familiar. I actually love the use of the word clanking.
Clank. Clankers.
Clankers, like very specifically. He knows comedy so well.
He goes, I'll give you the lingo version. Clank.
I told you not to hire my cousin. Yeah.
They like, they go, I'm not one of those ass kissers. And yes, man, I'm like, no, you're a crew guy.
I don't know you. You can be a yes man.
Just for this set. You have so much going on.
At least I'm about to walk in. Jesus.
And the wrap party, you can tell me some stinkers in that one, huh? Even then, don't say it, actually. I know.
Hey, you had fun, didn like you're having fun oh it looks like you're having fun out there how do you think it's going you think it's going okay what do you think that's also loaded question think they're gonna pull the plug on this one do i think they're gonna pull the plug while we're shooting i don? I don't think so. Oh my God.
Oh, I can't even tell my stories. Those studios got money to burn.
Save it for the book. So then, should we do an SNL thing? I mean, I thought, I mean, the five hosts and also the Sean Spicer thing was such a poppy you talked to that because it was one of those things that lined up and it just sort of went I don't know.
So you get a call from Lorne. I did.
Yes. Who I love.
Hello. But he called and Kent Sublette, who also was a good friend from groundlings i was in new york shooting can you ever forgive me so i did that during the week and then i would do snl on the weekends but when he first called i was like wait what you want me to do spicer i was like i don't do impressions i don't i was like how am i gonna you know how am i gonna look like spicer and what i don't understand and he goes oh no the special effects says it's not gonna be very hard for you and i was like okay first of all just a real kick in the dick but uh so i went in and it really was like we we tried it out and he's also like amazing he's been there you guys know.
And he's so fast. But then when I got into it, I just was freaked out that it was like the closest I'd ever looked to my dad.
And I was like, oh my God, it turned into Mike McCarthy. It was a funny look.
He was like, no, thank you. No, thank you.
Yeah, yeah. This is not a turn on.
I got gotta be honest with you this wasn't that early on when they were using like they're using dana now like they use someone that was you know that's a friend of the show to come on when you weren't hosting right you just yeah no i wasn't hosting i just but it was just supposed to be one and done and then he just it was it was constantly saying crazy stuff. And I remember I'd been working and I hadn't really read the paper or paid attention to it that week.
And they sent the one where he was hiding in the bushes and like where all the reporters were just looking at him. But he was like, you know, I'm invisible like a child.
And I remember calling him and i was like i just think it's funnier when

we use his exact words and don't make anything up like i can act differently but it's better when we use like actually use factual things and kent was like yeah that happened it all happened he's and i hadn't watched the news that week i thought even for him they had made up something crazy And he's like, no, still 100% true.

I was like, holy shit.

Well, you, so people who are going, what are they talking about? Sean Spicer was a press secretary under Trump, and he was very animated and aggressive with the press. And then they brought you in to do it.
I remember loving it. I don't remember.
When did you start steering the podium? At some point didn't you move the podium was that i did i kept i really was like oh god i said if we could put this on a driving what are those things called i was like if we could ever make yeah or whatever that little like the like mall cops are on i was like can you ever put a podium on that and it's such a crazy crew that you could say anything and they're like yeah yeah i can have it in like 14 minutes and then the next week when i came in it was there and literally they were waiting for me and they're like we have something to show you and i was like i was like and then what did i got when we got to go out and drive around new york i literally was like if i stopped tomorrow i'd was just- It's an immediate laugh, just stepping up and starting it. Everyone's like, oh my God.
Oh my God. It's just one of those things that is just funny.
It's so stupid. It's so funny.
Yeah. And he's taking it kind of seriously, the character.
And yeah, it's just so funny. It was good to poke fun at that.
was like to poke that bear was was really fun yes and you got so aggressive and loud with it you know you had to kind of top him but he was really aggressive but it was just a fun thing to play right that energy of you know so fun because you like it's normally like you just can't it's it's going to be too much but he was too much so you're like i guess there's no limit really because you and you weren't trying to sound like him or anything no i was just trying to be super angry and really like knee-jerk and and yeah and just kind of do and just attack people for distraction yeah that's just a fun character to play i fun. Maybe a movie, maybe kind of live streaming called Spicer Returns.
No, I don't want him to return. Okay.
So we went over to Goatsbusters. We saw you at the 40th.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember how you were dressed when I met you? I do.
got super i think when i first met both of you i had chris's jacket on yeah i think we were wondering like is that the real jacket i was dressed um as his like down by the river guy that i got the news in smashed into the desk and i because they like took it in for me and i remember because that was really his jacket and i got pretty choked up because that was like someone i yeah of course i waited on him when i worked at starbucks once and i was like so shaky that i was like just don't spill it on him he seemed so nice and uh and to do that it was the most nervous i've i think i've ever been in any performance and right before i went in my and I've never had this happen my legs were actually like doing this and I was like rocking back and forth and the sweet stage manager because I'd I'd been there a bunch of times he's like honey are you okay and I was like I don't know what's I'm gonna be fine and then Ben had said don't pull Cause he wouldn't have. So get in there and fucking burn, like burn it down.
Cause that's what he would have done. And that's like the last thing I thought of.
And I was like, I just was so nervous to do someone that I literally watched. I have like a drawing of him.
I had, it's like, I just, I adored his humor and how vulnerable he was. For sure.
Yeah. We know now he's a singularity.
And the vulnerability and then the power together and the sweetness, it's just a magic human. I wanted to date his very close friends.
I know. And you two were just, you guys were magic together.
Tommy Boy is just a perfect film. Yeah, that is a perfect movie.
It's a perfect movie. And you two together together you could see how much you loved each other and then it was still so funny it's like it's just did you two have a lot of creative freedom on that one did that was that like you just sort of went away somewhere or were there a lot of you know what made you what made me think of it was when you're talking about going from bridesmaids or something else that was one where it was low expectations budget, throw Farley and Spade out there and let's see what happens.
And no one really was visiting the set and no one was. And then so you go, can we try this? They're like, okay.
And Pete Siegel was director and he was like, let's try it. And then the next one, Black Sheep, they go, oh, we got something here.
Even though it wasn't like a huge $100 million movie, but then they all come in and a director comes in and like we know how to do this and then millions of notes and and cutting scenes and then it just got it just got harder and then the bigger the budget same thing you know it just gets you don't get that bridesmaids is almost your freebie you know and then and then after that everyone's like wait she's she's really good and we now we gotta here's what we should do with her. And then you go, oh, no, no, no, this isn't.
If you could just pick live or die with how you do it is the goal. And if you two get to make stuff, it's great.
And then when you get so many, you see movies that get all the edges cut off because they're getting bigger budgets. And you can see the big comedies no one's really laughing they're like that'll work that'll work and then you go well but but after the take no one laughs it's like you know what i mean you can just tell that like someone says oh that'll they throw in lines and you go i don't know but you can tell during it sometimes you go i don't know if this is but i'm not in those big budgets.
But you can see the big comedies. They just.
We're a four quadrant worldwide movie. And you go.
So we got to make sure no one really laughs. We need everyone to smile and no one to laugh.
Yeah. I feel like it's lots of smiles.
Or like think it's clever. And I'm like, I would rather.
I would rather take harder swings and get real laughs than be like, they're clever.

Well, if you're on stage, you two have been on stage a ton.

And like, if the whole audience is smiling, you're bombing.

Or I feel like they have to be laughing.

You know, like the laugh is the thing.

We got to hear something.

Yeah.

That's the hard part of comedy.

Drama, you don't have to hear anything.

You know, you can do a whole movie and go, oh, it was good. Okay.
But comedy, if you don't hear something the first minute, you're like, uh-oh. When you made that dramatic turn, that was, can you forgive me? I'm completely different.
Melissa, was that just exciting? Just to not have to be funny for a change and be real? I i mean it's like you i don't know i prepared the same way because i still thought there was like funny stuff about her but yeah it is like if you're supposed to walk across the room and i'd walk across the room i was like yeah i guess you mean i'm not going to do alts like i'm not going to be like i gotta let me let me do this limp yeah somebody comes out hey

you can do that could you do just right at the end can you kind of spike the lens a tiny bit and wink you know you just watch yeah yeah i'm gonna but i love doing it because i love i also love that character i was just like man she was it was just such a crazy story and i didn't know why i didn't know who she was i like felt like i should have but it was really really fun to do just get to kind of go in a different direction.

As you went along, did you kind of get a vibe from everybody that you could get nominated, I guess, for best actress, right? It was best actress in a motion picture. Yeah.
You got an Oscar nomination for Bridesmaids, but did you have a sense of that? I'm really in the pocket. Something's happening that's really hard to get i mean especially for a little movie you know it's like i i'd love that movie i love marie heller uh that directed it but i don't i mean i i don't think you ever i mean i don't ever i'm like no i think this will get i don't i just don't think that way i was just glad i mean i was really happy with do you remember who won the oscar that night i do okay ben no the the oh yeah first time you lost the first time you lost well she brings this up daily it was hard because for bridesmaids octavia spencer who's one of our best friends.
So you have the incredible mixed emotions. You still want her to win, but I'm disappointed Melissa doesn't win.
And then the second one, Olivia Colman. Oh, that's right.
For the favorite. And she was amazing.
And you're like, she seems like the best lady. And so.
Yeah. She's awesome.
So you're like, just getting there was already like a fever dream. So I was like, I'm cool.
Was hart movie or something what happened was she in a comedy the favorite is a very quirky film it really the favorite right she does some off-label stuff i mean she's like you know but um it's just you know it's it's a promotion for the entertainment industry that's all you know it's like to get an oscar nomination for brides for Bridesmaids when comedies obviously get overlooked a lot and then to pop out with that, that's a huge deal. It was like, I mean, I remember we were, because our kids were pretty little and you were up watching it, which is also rare because that's not something you usually watch.
I've gotten up with one of the kids and i walked in and i was like what are you watching like because he's usually not doing that and we're watching the nominations and then it i don't know where where my brain went but i think they said my name and then they went on it said octavia spencer and i was like oh i was like oh my god octavia just got nominated for an oscar and i couldn't believe it and he's like did you hear what was right before that and i was like octavia just got nominated for an oscar and he's like did you hear your name and i was like what like it didn't process i mean when we're like in pajamas and like tired because our kids are little but it is not usual for a comedy like that to get an oscar nomination you might get other types of awards that have comedy categories but yeah that's pretty cool and it kind of always breaks my heart not because of what but like i just think man i think comedies are i mean i'm sure you guys feel even though stand-up's doing really well now but it's like everybody that says something to me they're like we need you to keep making comedies but then there's some kind of narrative that like comedies don't work anymore i'm like that's just not true right if they're funny that is out there right you when you pitch movies to streamers they're like we'll get back to you kind of i mean there's just also a recession in the industry as well but i think there's a lot of chief already comedies and they're like ah i just i think right now is not the time for this one and you go so there's no time i mean it's not getting better like we're not getting less right hopefully it swings back where you go just do whatever say whatever you want i think it has to because i think people miss it and i think yeah i think there's just such a stronghold on it and i do think it's going to swing back the other way because like you just everybody always needs comedies it's like not just because we do it i think it's what people want yeah totally that's what i absolutely david was in one of the uh two years ago the the wrong missy which was a big broad funny comedy for uh happy madison so there's still a huge audience people want to laugh and also you were um in And, broad, funny comedy for Happy Madison. So there's still a huge audience.
People want to laugh. And also you were in the Seinfeld serial.
You were very funny in that. That was a funny, Frosted.
Frosted, yeah. Crazy, yeah.
Crazy movie. That was, what was it like being directed? Yeah, that many cameos.
I just haven't seen that many cameos and that many comedy people in one room. You're like, you can't do this anymore.
This is like an anomaly. So that was kind of amazing.
It's good because it was like everywhere you looked. It's like it's a mad, mad, mad world or something.
Yeah. There's another, you know.
Dane, anything else for these two lovely people? We've done everything else. I mean, I've got answers on the relationship.
I've got answers on working together. All the answers he was digging for.
Has Ben ever given you a direction on a set and you went, honey, I got this. Have you ever said that? No.
Okay. No, I don't think he's smart.

Nope.

Oh, God.

Maybe I might have yelled nope just to kind of egg on more, you know, like, oh, no, oh, God, you know, or whatever. And because I sort of want them to be doing it so horrible.
It's sweet. The thing I'm going to take away from this podcast that I literally got chills from is when ben said to you go in there and burn it down because that's what he would have done that gives i i get i tear up easily but that kind of got me i don't know why it's just like it's that well i think it was such a great thing to say to you and it also represents chris i don't know something good advice yeah that's what for actually when we did tammy our our start gift he had this really beautiful i thought it was a black and white photo but someone it's the the thinnest pencil drawing that it looks like a black and white photo of him oh that's right yeah it's in my it's in my office but that was to be like you know really go for it and and like yeah i don't know so i still i still have it and it's really special to me so yeah yeah that is that is awesome so anyway this has been really interesting really fun well thanks guys i'm glad to get to know you as a couple and uh keep going making movies and all good wishes.
We're going to try.

For the fans. You guys too.

Yeah.

Yeah, good to see you.

It's great to see you guys.

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