Rosebud Baker Was Raised by War Criminals (and Writes for Weekend Update)

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Speaker 9 And you just, you go from feeling like

Speaker 9 cool and sexy and working at SNL to being like the most unfuckable,

Speaker 9 just like

Speaker 9 uncreative human. Yeah, no, I was like raised by war criminals.
I think I'm, I got this.

Speaker 2 I'm fine.

Speaker 9 I'll be honest with you. If I had, um, if I had any real home runs, I don't know if I'd be at update right now.

Speaker 1 Dana, have you ever heard me say this? Having my baby back?

Speaker 1 Do you know that song from the 70s?

Speaker 2 Oh, I know. It's just so funny.
You're having my baby. You couldn't say that now.
Wouldn't it be considered sexist?

Speaker 10 Such a woman.

Speaker 2 Isn't she having a baby too?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that song is so odd when he goes, you didn't have to keep it. I'm like, I'm sorry, what? What did you just say?

Speaker 2 We should maybe.

Speaker 2 We should play that song and talk about it. If we don't use this for this, we should use it for our next episode.
No, we'll put it on.

Speaker 2 There's two like that. The other other one is no one knows what goes on behind closed doors.
These are corny 80 anthems. So let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 Let's save those for super, or for the work we're doing.

Speaker 1 Well, it made me think of Rosebud because Rosebud Baker is a very funny

Speaker 1 comic, and she just did a movie where, I'm sorry, she just did a special where she's pregnant and then she does part of

Speaker 2 her, takes time off, has the baby, and mixes it all together called The Mother Load, which has gotten great reviews and people.

Speaker 1 very interesting concept

Speaker 1 smart writer uh she's a performer she um

Speaker 2 oh she writes a lot for update we talked about that yeah we talked all about you're gonna hear all about her snl experience and what the specificity of being a writer for update versus other things and her career plans and her child and um so you should enjoy this one Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 1 And it's good because not everyone knows her right now, but they will. So it's kind of fun to have ones like this where we got her first.
We got her and just say, hey, here's why she's good.

Speaker 9 Hi.

Speaker 2 How's it going?

Speaker 1 Nice to see you.

Speaker 2 Nice to see you.

Speaker 9 You too.

Speaker 1 The last I saw Rosebud Baker was, if you remember this, one of the shows, either the Hunter Biden one or the 50th in the hallway. And I think you were prepping.
some update hallway stuff.

Speaker 2 Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Is that possible?

Speaker 9 That's possible for sure i mean you know being at the show you know it's like you're too tired to form new memories most of the time so yeah um new memory did you meet dana during his biden run we must have i did i did yes yes did you come pleasure to see you i

Speaker 2 i can't i'm still traumatized i mean i just was not

Speaker 2 i'd been gone so long i i really feel for the writers coming in with a pencil kind of some of them really just drenched in sweat and just really nervous. And then it's like, could we do this or that?

Speaker 2 We have to wait till Lauren's here.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 tell Lauren. Or one time Lauren came by, could you change that Biden line? Not so much, Fred Finchdome, something else.
I said, sure.

Speaker 2 And then Allison Streeter and Kent came in. You talked to Lauren?

Speaker 2 What did he say? What did he say? He hates it. He hates it.
Anyway, the pressure is crazy.

Speaker 9 and i saw it because i wasn't in as much i saw the writers what they do so anyway i'd like to know your stories about that time there on the 50s you were so great you were so great i i have to tell you like we would be sitting you know most of the time in update we we barely see the show i mean we i was i was on i was on the sketch side for three years and then moved over to update and

Speaker 9 the way that it is is so different and i don't i don't know any other writers yeah i don't know any other writers that have done that that have gone from the sketch to update um

Speaker 9 but i i it's a completely different it feels like i write at a different show for sure i mean

Speaker 11 um

Speaker 9 with the exception of like it's still the sleep deprivation and the stress and all of that but it's sure it's still gross

Speaker 9 yeah yeah it's mostly because of the news though that you feel disgusting oh yeah that's right you got to get soaked in that news.

Speaker 1 You got to get in.

Speaker 9 Yeah. It's like training yourself to be

Speaker 9 like a, like a sociopath or a psychopath because you just read these horrible, horrific headlines and you're like, what's funny?

Speaker 2 Hilarious about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also, when you do update, do you, I know this is, I know some of these answers, but not all of them.

Speaker 1 Do you help put together the update pieces that come on from like a Sarah Sherman or or whoever else or is that separately like they just do them at read-through and then you guys kind of chirp in of like which ones you like and do you help write

Speaker 9 yeah it depends it depends on um

Speaker 2 I mean

Speaker 9 you know they'll come in on Tuesdays sometimes and be like we have this idea and then we'll pitch on it with them

Speaker 9 but usually they're writing it with one of the sketch writers

Speaker 9 And then,

Speaker 9 but most of the time, it's actually, I wouldn't say most of the time, I'd say 50-50. Like, sometimes they'll just show up.
We'll see one at table. We'll be like, that's hilarious.

Speaker 9 And then we work the tables and we kind of punch things up here and there if it needs it.

Speaker 11 Table reading.

Speaker 9 For the most part, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's

Speaker 1 tables. Listen to this.
Linda's Dana's.

Speaker 2 I know. We've got an insider here.

Speaker 2 I think that

Speaker 2 the high for the writer is

Speaker 2 the ultimate mic drop is when you get it in, you get it on update or whatever. It's your line, you thought of it or your little stanza, your bit, you love it.

Speaker 2 Maybe some people went, I don't know, and then it crushes.

Speaker 2 Because I see the writers afterwards were just so jazzed up. All the tension was released when the sketch, the cold opening was just what they had to deal with was like at midnight on Friday.

Speaker 2 It's nowhere. It's

Speaker 2 horrible. That's one we're running through for the audience listening.
And it's nowhere.

Speaker 1 And it's like when you go to bed and it's a disaster and you wake up going, well, we've got about 12 hours to fix this.

Speaker 2 So, do you have some memorable ones there where you fucking A landed it? Um, and you just that release uh must be.

Speaker 9 I'll be honest with you. If I had, um, if I had any real home runs, I don't know if I'd be at update right now.

Speaker 1 Just sketch.

Speaker 2 Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Because that's your wheelhouse or what?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think, I think I'm more, it was like I knew by year three. I was like, if I don't feel useful by now,

Speaker 9 there's, I'm like, there's got to be a better place for me. And I, I just sort of was like, I've came in as a stand-up.
I wanted to learn how to write sketch. I genuinely don't, it's so

Speaker 9 different and so much harder for me to write sketch than it is to like punch up a sketch or be like second or third writer on something.

Speaker 9 So ultimately, I was like, I really think I belong over on the update side. And that's, you know, where they put me.

Speaker 9 And I was, I was happy to move because genuinely I was like, I don't know what I'm doing here. I didn't know at all.
I remember my first week going around to like.

Speaker 9 Tucker's office and being like, is there like a book I can read about like how to write a sketch? Like, I didn't know.

Speaker 1 You know, it's hard to get your hand held, too. There's not, everyone's so busy, it's hard to do a class.

Speaker 2 It's like, hey, what's your sketch?

Speaker 1 It bombed. Great.
You'll be gone soon. That's all.
We don't need to worry about you.

Speaker 9 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And to get that

Speaker 1 lateral move, instead of just taking off the show, which could be easier, to let you come over because they must have seen something.

Speaker 1 And to go over and write jokes is update, even to me, is even more fun or interesting because there's, it's just a different muscle, but it's great joke writing skills and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 Well, I let me insert this before you answer.

Speaker 2 Makes total sense to me because of your specials. These are A

Speaker 2 jokes, one after the other, one after the other on both that I watched. So go ahead.
I just, I, it seems like a really good fit.

Speaker 2 And you've got Michael and you've got Colin, and they're they're kind of dicks. We understand that.

Speaker 2 But sorry, that was a joke.

Speaker 2 Too sweet for school. I love it.
Go ahead.

Speaker 9 No, thank you thanks for watching them by the way i appreciate it and um yeah i feel like it's uh

Speaker 9 i'm happy that they i do feel like i lucked out that they kept me on the show i was like oh okay i didn't think this would work i i they had every reason to go i'll just be just beat it you know what i mean just and i i would i would have understood that because there were sketches that i i thought were very funny that got on the show but that weren't not they were not once they got on the show i was like oh okay i see where i went wrong here.

Speaker 9 You know, it wasn't hard to get it all that way.

Speaker 1 It's hard to have it work read-through, rehearsal in front of the crew, in front of dress, and then work again on air. There's so many ways for it to go wrong.

Speaker 9 There's so many ways for it to go wrong. I mean, really, it's like raising a kid or something.

Speaker 9 You're like, I mean, there's only so much I can great grades in school, and then right before college, they bomb out.

Speaker 1 You're like, Oh, we're doing so good.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 it's nerve-wracking as hell. You know, anytime because I was in Murderer's Row, we were the four horsemen.
Maya would crush it and, you know, gaff again and, you know, Andy. And then I'm waiting.

Speaker 2 You know, it was weird. And one of those like game shows, I'm just like, you're just sitting in a silo.
You've got your, come on, folks. You know, I'm just waiting.

Speaker 2 How will I do? You're grading yourself. You're future tripping.
You're not in the moment. You want to score.
Don't try too hard, but be in it. You know, it's just like trying to catch the wind anyway.

Speaker 9 Nerve-wracking. You got it.
You got it in a way that I, I just, I've seen Biden Impressions, and you got it in a way that I've never seen it.

Speaker 9 I, I remember just watching it, even without the sound, and you were going,

Speaker 9 and I was just like, God, he's fucking good. Like, you, you like zeroed in on that thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I'm not getting around here.
That was my favorite. By the end, it was like, I'm not getting around here.
I'm being serious.

Speaker 2 So it was a, it was a fun toy. And, you know, it's, it's just like stand-up.

Speaker 2 When the audience starts to ride it, just like in stand-up, and they're in your rhythm with you, and you're both enjoying it at the same moment, nobody has

Speaker 2 the other voice talking.

Speaker 2 It's pure joy. That's what we're chasing.

Speaker 1 That face, Dana, is like funny, funny, offended, and vacant.

Speaker 2 Hey, I'm not getting around here. I'm being serious.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 1 You're like, he's not even thinking anything.

Speaker 9 You're seeing that face on the monitor from the update office and being like oh my god like that's perfect it was terrible you made my day you made my day because

Speaker 2 you know i always have second thoughts months later was that any good or what the oh my god it was so good yeah

Speaker 9 i mean i get it it's i get it i think we're all just sort of

Speaker 9 mentally ill and that we're like plagued by self-doubt and stuff like that but it's it's really

Speaker 2 ill that's confronting it's it's uh that that's that's a pretty common denominator. You know, you never want right before you go on, you're going to crush.
You're, you're going to crush.

Speaker 2 You always want to go, well, we'll see. I don't know.
It could turn, you know, you just, it's a kiss of death to kind of go, we got this. And then you just

Speaker 2 pull up. Right.

Speaker 2 All right. How about an update?

Speaker 1 When you, when you're on update, are there, I mean, obviously it starts Sunday or Monday. You know, it starts right after the last show.
Like, what's in this week's news? Are there joke counters?

Speaker 1 Do you look at the monitor and go, someone told me there was a talk show like Fallon, where someone is like, one,

Speaker 1 two, okay, I got, I got three on today. I got three on today.
I mean, I'm sure people get in their heads, but is it, is it actively out there that people are like, that one person is more on?

Speaker 9 No, thank God.

Speaker 9 Because

Speaker 2 they get tweaked, right?

Speaker 9 Yeah, they get tweaked and they get changed.

Speaker 9 And like by the end of it, it's almost like you could have come up with a joke that got in the show, but then they're, you know, when you're sitting with the others and you're just like, they're pitching stuff on it.

Speaker 9 There was like, I think there was a joke this year that I had pitched about Paddington Bear.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 9 it was like, it was about how I felt like Paddington Bear should be executed.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 it's like common thought.

Speaker 9 I was like, well, he ruins apartments. And that, you know, I just think he's a menace.
And I think, I don't think he belongs in someone's home. So anyway, I

Speaker 9 pitched, it was like some sort of crazy reaction, overreaction to Paddington Bear.

Speaker 9 And everybody sort of latched onto it. And by the end, by showtime, it was this long bit that was like a built-out

Speaker 9 chunk that Colin did that everybody was throwing stuff in on. And it was just for no reason, just like.

Speaker 2 And it was about a Labobu at that point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I said, I've seen those, but even single jokes, Michael, might put a spin on, Like when you do monologue jokes, something, if you get someone close enough, that's value also.

Speaker 1 I used to do jokes at Lights Out Show. They can write me a joke that's close enough to my voice, I can run with it.
And that's a value, even though it's not the exact same joke.

Speaker 2 I just want to say that Patty Denbert is funny. I mean, because

Speaker 2 it's not odd.

Speaker 1 The way he dresses is funny.

Speaker 2 It's not like Barney or something, but everyone knows it when you hear it. And this is just a little insert for me.

Speaker 2 Maybe in the early 90s, there was this catch where I, as Tony Montana Scarface Al Pacino,

Speaker 2 got to say padding bear several times.

Speaker 2 And so, with that, oh, so paratum bear, what are you doing with a parrot and bear? So, I just sorry, it triggered me. I didn't want to override that.

Speaker 2 It sounds funny, it looks funny.

Speaker 2 What the fuck with a padded and bear is such a perfect for that, but I, you know, I wanted to ask this of you, uh, and you can say whatever you want to say, but it seems like I'm watching your specials, watching you here, photogenic, on and on.

Speaker 2 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 That if

Speaker 2 you should be on update, either in a segment or

Speaker 2 if anyone ever decides to retire. Have you ever thought of that? Because it seems like you got all the skill set

Speaker 2 to do that. You don't have to say, yeah, I want Michael and Colin out.

Speaker 1 Or do you pitch yourself? Doing update? Are you allowed to?

Speaker 9 I don't, I don't know. I don't know if that, I don't know if that's like

Speaker 9 i there was one moment i think it was like two years ago where there was like an ivf story and i had worked on all this this bit you know that was like about ivf and i was like i thought about pitching a feature because it made sense um in that one week that i was like oh okay i could i could do something with this you know i have material on this

Speaker 9 but right i was like right as i was getting up the courage to like talk to somebody about it. It was like Colin had written something and I was like, oh, okay, never mind.
So,

Speaker 9 you know, I think there's like,

Speaker 9 I, I, I don't know. I'm like, Colin and Jay and Che are so funny that I feel like they've, they've almost ruined it for whoever's comes next.
I'm like, they're so good.

Speaker 9 And, um,

Speaker 9 you know, I don't know. I'm like,

Speaker 9 would it be cool? Absolutely. But I don't know if it's like, I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Just to seriously, just a bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. like an IVF for one week, I would imagine would be good, but I know being a writer there

Speaker 1 and it isn't always 1,000% welcome, at least by someone somewhere.

Speaker 9 Wouldn't love it. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you know, some people would be like, that's fucking awesome. We need it.
Get out there. And you're already a stand-up.
It's not crazy.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute, David. Are you?

Speaker 1 I just think it's a little weird that she.

Speaker 2 David, are you suggesting?

Speaker 2 I just want to clarify this.

Speaker 2 Are you suggesting that there's a political environment to the snl experience that politics come and play everyone's pulling for everyone I know yeah it is it is overall a great experience but I do go to your point with Michael and Colin I don't think we'll see this again for a while because their relationship and the boundaries they can cross that because of for for you know for the reasons are obvious and stuff they can go at it you know when they were on this this podcast you know when I told them, I said, you guys are in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was just talking about Dennis Miller and, you know,

Speaker 2 obviously Tina and Jimmy, whatever, just you guys are up there now.

Speaker 2 You're in Mount Rushmore. They were kind of like, thank you.

Speaker 1 I don't think they. And some people don't know anything else.
I mean, they've had a long run where people that just sort of tune in here and there and they go, those are the update guys.

Speaker 1 You've mentioned Bill Murray or Trevor Chase. Like, huh?

Speaker 1 So we remember, but not, it's like everything. You go, some people said, I go back to your career all the way back to grown-ups.

Speaker 2 I'm like, that's how far back? That was like newer, but they're like, one year old.

Speaker 1 So I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, 2008, I don't care.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I started in 86. So I'm disappointed when people go, oh,

Speaker 2 you were here in 86. Yeah.
Do the math. Do the math.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yes.
Yeah.

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Speaker 2 Would you like to talk about your special a little bit or your tour? Or where would you like to spend?

Speaker 9 I mean, yeah. Listen,

Speaker 9 there's a lot we could talk about here.

Speaker 9 I guess my special, we could talk about that. It's up to you, guys.
It's your podcast. You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 Anything else?

Speaker 1 We want to make sure you get something covered here because

Speaker 1 we get all our interesting chatter, but you also.

Speaker 2 have some business.

Speaker 9 I definitely,

Speaker 9 yeah, I definitely, I had my special come out.

Speaker 9 I was literally just talking to another comic about their special their netflix special and they were like freaking out it's like the week that it's you know it's you know when your special first comes out you're like freaking out and you're just i i was telling this comic i was like oh yeah i was i just wanted everybody i wanted to move to the woods i was like i just wanted to walk into the woods and live there for the rest of my life

Speaker 9 you know and then some months goes by and it starts getting some play and you're like okay thank god like this wasn't, you know, for nothing. You're always scared it's going to be for nothing.
But

Speaker 9 yeah, I'm like, I'm really happy with it so far. It feels like,

Speaker 9 you know, when you make something, you're like, well, that feels like me. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like, that, that feels like that's a good representation.

Speaker 1 And for people, do you don't know?

Speaker 2 I have to let's explain what's unique about it. But go ahead, David.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, do you think a special in this day and age, what about it sells tickets? Because that's sort of of the idea is to sell tickets on the road and also gain awareness.

Speaker 1 But is it the special itself or is it clips in the special or is it, is it long? Does it take like a year for it to sink in and people to start to see? Oh, I saw this on this.

Speaker 1 I saw a little piece here.

Speaker 1 And then that's the value, right? That's you want to do a special. It's, it's.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I don't even know anymore, man. I'm like, I really feel like

Speaker 9 I don't even know. I, I'm,

Speaker 9 you pull one out, and ultimately, you want to make something that is seen within the context of an hour. You want it to be seen as a whole.
And that's how comedy should be watched.

Speaker 9 That's how it's meant to be watched. Unfortunately,

Speaker 9 now people watch it in like 30-second, one-minute clips. And if they like those 30-second, one-minute clips, they might,

Speaker 9 might go watch the whole thing.

Speaker 2 Three minutes of your show, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, they might go watch a full five minutes

Speaker 1 and inch their way up to an hour. Yeah.
I mean, some people tell me when I just did mine, they go, it's still an honor. I mean, I'm not negating anything you're doing.

Speaker 1 Of course, obviously everybody wants a special. It's such a big deal.
And Netflix is a big deal. And they get out there and you see a billboard.

Speaker 1 It's, it's really, really fun and relevant, all the great stuff you want. But you also say, okay, what are they actually seeing?

Speaker 1 Are they seeing like, don't put this in your act because when you go on the road, you're in your head, you're like, everyone in the audience has seen 100% of every special. And they're like, right.

Speaker 1 No, I saw two clips on TikTok. That's why I'm here.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 No, I mean, literally, you could, you could tour with the same hour. You know, like in the 80s, they would tour with the same hour for like three, four, five years.
And you could do that again.

Speaker 9 You could do that now. And it wouldn't, there's no problem.

Speaker 1 No one's open for guys.

Speaker 2 And every time I saw them, every year,

Speaker 1 not a word different.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, ultimately, you want to keep writing. You want to keep doing.
And, and I, I'm the idiot who goes up there with brand new stuff and is like kind of struggling.

Speaker 9 And then people get like pissed, you know.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, well, I got to try new things. I got to, I want to put out a new hour.

Speaker 9 But it is nice to know that the pressure's off a little bit to like, you don't have to do 100% new. You can do some stuff from the special.

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 1 You want some stuff to kill for sure. You owe them that.
And you want some stuff that's a little different for those people that are like comedy files that are like, I must have.

Speaker 1 I got something on Instagram the other night that goes, I saw you at the comedy store the other night. Funny, but a little off.
Wasn't your best night. I'm like, I'm trying stuff.

Speaker 1 I have to, where can I try it? I have to, I even know when I get off, it wasn't great. But there's something fun.
Even Dana will agree. When you watch someone, it's fun to watch them bomb too.

Speaker 1 You go, whoa, where was that one going?

Speaker 2 Like, you go, oh shit.

Speaker 1 But it's a different thing to see.

Speaker 9 I had a show in,

Speaker 9 there was a show in Dallas like three years ago or something, two years ago, I don't remember. I was there in Dallas and the guy, a guy took a picture of me and posted, I just saw Rosema Baker.

Speaker 9 I think she was tired.

Speaker 2 I get that too.

Speaker 9 But I had fully bombed. It was like,

Speaker 9 it was a bomb. It was just a bomb night.
I remember there was like a heckler in the front they wouldn't get rid of. And the whole time I was like, well, this is a, it's, this is on, I can't do it.

Speaker 9 You know what I mean? I'm like, we're, the ship's going down and we're just all going to go down together.

Speaker 1 But that guy kind of covered for you. Instead of saying you fully drowned completely, he was like, she was a little tired, I think.
Instead of

Speaker 2 my people go, it was fucking horrible.

Speaker 9 I know. I'm like, but that's almost better than them feeling bad for you.

Speaker 1 She shouldn't do this. It's hard on her.

Speaker 2 There's a, there's a, I guess it's a trope. It's kind of funny, but they would maybe say about you, which I just want to talk about this special and the way you do stand up.

Speaker 2 She doesn't pull any punches. Like you.

Speaker 2 I feel like you are so connected to your material that I've seen. And you can see where it's too burnt out or the comedian's not quite in their eyes, right? Really connected or whatever.

Speaker 2 I've done a couple like that. But for this one, it was so personal.
Literally, for people who don't know, explain the conceit of the mother.

Speaker 2 It's on Netflix right now.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it was essentially,

Speaker 9 I was,

Speaker 9 so the whole thing is shot over two

Speaker 9 years.

Speaker 9 One year where I was about nine months pregnant or eight months pregnant, and then exactly one year later after my kid had been born. And I had this crazy experience with trying to get pregnant.

Speaker 9 First, I didn't want kids, then I got pregnant by accident, then I had a miscarriage, then I was like, well, do I want kids? And then I did like IVF. And then I got pregnant without IVF.

Speaker 9 And so the whole journey to it was so crazy and all over the place that I was like, there's so much experience packed into that, that,

Speaker 9 that I was like, it doesn't really make sense to shoot the special until the, until the kid's been born and I can let them know what it's like as a mom. Because

Speaker 9 yeah, I'm like, ultimately, I really wasn't sure about kids or not. And I really wanted, I wanted there to be something to watch where I was like, what is it like really? Like, what does it feel like?

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 because I was really curious about the postpartum shit and all of that.

Speaker 9 So,

Speaker 9 yeah, I shot both. And the material cuts back and forth between.
So some of the jokes that I wrote while I was pregnant,

Speaker 9 I expanded on after I'd had a kid.

Speaker 9 There were jokes that

Speaker 9 I liked better, that I had written before, that I liked better from the perspective of having had a kid. And then there were certain ones that I was like, no, you got to cut back for that.

Speaker 9 So the whole thing is like editing-wise was obviously a challenge, but

Speaker 9 I really enjoyed kind of reporting from both, from behind enemy lines, you know what I mean?

Speaker 9 And just telling jokes about what it really feels like because I was somebody that was so confused about the

Speaker 9 deciding to be a parent,

Speaker 9 especially as a woman in comedy, you're just like, is everyone going to think I disappeared? Is everyone going to think I died? Like,

Speaker 9 you know, am I going to be written off? Luckily,

Speaker 9 I

Speaker 9 think in a way, I wrote this special kind of out of a feeling of like self-consciousness or

Speaker 9 being afraid that

Speaker 9 if I didn't, I would just stop or something. I didn't know what was going to happen afterwards.
So,

Speaker 9 yeah, there's a lot. It's definitely personal.
I was up there fighting for my life for sure. I was like,

Speaker 1 where you say, like,

Speaker 1 was there parts where you say, this is how I feel about to have a baby. It's the most beautiful thing in the world.
And then now you get to say, Some is beautiful. Some is tougher than I thought.

Speaker 1 Some is easier than I thought. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I mean, I wanted to talk about like what it felt like to go back to work, you know, what it feels like to go back to work and how to go away from your kid and be separate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. And, well, no, just to be back at work and to be, to want to be treated the same way.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 9 Um, as like, as like a working member of society, you know, but like also having just had a kid and being like, I'm kind of an open wound right now, but I'm, but I'm capable and I can be here, you know, and you just, you go from feeling like

Speaker 9 cool and sexy and working at SNL to being like the most unfuckable,

Speaker 9 just like uncreative human. And you're like surrounded by cool, young, rich people.
And you're like,

Speaker 9 shit, you know, like,

Speaker 9 and you just feel like you got to compete in that.

Speaker 2 So there was a lot of that feelings.

Speaker 2 I don't even know what that means, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm unfuckable and uncool, and everyone's cool around me.

Speaker 2 You're in the corner nursing a cocktail.

Speaker 1 Is SNL still

Speaker 1 Rosebud

Speaker 1 Baker? Is it still

Speaker 1 24 hours a day you have to be there? Or can you come in late? Or do they do jokes from home and you write them and send them in?

Speaker 2 Or is it really...

Speaker 9 I mean, for me, I gotta be there. I gotta be there.
Like, personally,

Speaker 9 I don't want to be writing jokes from home.

Speaker 1 kind of fun to be there. I think that's a new world of people that don't are buying into this.
But as hard as SNL was,

Speaker 1 you wish you weren't there, but you, you have to sort of be there all the time to be involved in jokes that, like, organically are coming up or sketches or interacting with everyone.

Speaker 2 And it's all important to me. It feels like it was all important.

Speaker 9 I want to be there because I want to remember

Speaker 9 who I am.

Speaker 9 You know, it's also like it's this feeling of like, you know, when you're a creative person, you got to be creative, like got to be surrounded by creative people and to stay in touch with that and to kind of be in the mix.

Speaker 9 And, you know,

Speaker 9 I think COVID kind of did a number of all of our, on all of our brains, making us think that, oh, it's, we, it's possible to work from home, so we should. And I don't know.

Speaker 9 I don't think that really, I don't think that really works in a creative setting.

Speaker 1 I never thought it was

Speaker 2 exactly.

Speaker 1 I thought people would want to come back. Not want to come back.
Some jobs obviously are fucking horrible, but this the creative, you're right. Everyone around us there, when I was there, I got Dana.

Speaker 1 I got everyone. Like, I could say, Dana, can I grab you for one second and pick your brain?

Speaker 1 And the fact that you have that, the value of like, oh my God, I have all these like superstars around me that you're just inviting geniuses to go, can I just talk to you for a second about this?

Speaker 1 And maybe they can crack a code for me or something I'm trying to figure out is great because everybody's good.

Speaker 9 I know. And the other thing is that I really love about it is it kind of feels like

Speaker 9 you went to college at the same place as some of your favorite people, you know? Like,

Speaker 9 I get to talk to you guys, you know what I mean? Or I get to talk to people that I wouldn't necessarily like, I don't know, maybe my career would have, we would have crossed paths.

Speaker 9 I mean, but it's, I don't know, it's just this special kind of

Speaker 9 bond that you have with people that have like worked at SNL and you go, okay, so you get it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 It's like you, you understand. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So running down the hallway, 8-H, you know, the grease paint, the smell, the roar of the crowd. It's identical.
And Lauren Michaels is still there.

Speaker 2 So I do think, do you find it's kind of fun if someone, you're in a writer's room, it's someone else's idea and sketch, and everyone's bouncing around.

Speaker 2 It seems more relaxing to kind of punch up someone else's sketch in a way. Like, oh, how about this? How about that?

Speaker 2 And the other fun part I found is like, I'd be in the chair getting the Biden thing on and we're just right right almost going live television and Allison and Kent and and Streeter would be there and then we'd go round and round and we always completely agreed when we got it.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's that. Yeah.
There was

Speaker 2 usually all the writers go, oh, we got it now. So this is fantastic.
So to your experience, you had all those kinds of experiences, I assume.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's very much like that kind of feeling of

Speaker 9 like when something just,

Speaker 9 when something fits, it's like Tetris or something, you know? Like you, you go, oh yeah, that goes there. That's absolutely, there's nowhere else for that to go, but there.

Speaker 1 I think when I did one of those shows, go ahead, Rose, sorry.

Speaker 9 No, I go ahead.

Speaker 1 I was just saying when I popped out, I think it was maybe the Hunter Biden week when I popped out and I just looked down the hallway from that dressing room because I was over there with Dana.

Speaker 1 And I think I saw you in the hallway with Shay and that you were doing cue cards in the hallway because update was coming up.

Speaker 1 Is that kind of where where you guys do it over by cue cards where they write them and you're just kind of cramming and just doing like maybe a last thing before? Is that what that is?

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So it was cool, whatever it was.

Speaker 9 Generally speaking, it was so we'll go through cue cards. Colin will read

Speaker 9 jokes. It's in that hallway is where Colin reads them.

Speaker 9 Chase under the bleachers.

Speaker 9 Okay, usually we're all

Speaker 9 there's more of the writers are out by Colin because Colin wants to change things a little more, like right up until the last minute. There's might be little words that he wants to change.

Speaker 9 Shay is pretty much like, he knows what he wants to do.

Speaker 9 By the time he's under the bleachers, he's like, we're doing it, you know?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 9 So we tend to be right out in that hallway, just running things, like and little, making little tweaks and changes, little words here and there, you know, or

Speaker 9 period there, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those things matter because you, like Dana knows, you trust the card. So once you're out there and you're on a a card, it's hard to edit while you're talking.

Speaker 1 So it's like, I'm saying what's on this card.

Speaker 2 We already went over it.

Speaker 1 So I trust Wally did it. Everyone did it right because if it's the wrong one or if it's in the wrong place, that buys you time and that stutter step will kind of ruin the momentum.

Speaker 1 There's little things. You got to have it like.

Speaker 9 I'm always curious as cast members, like

Speaker 9 how, because there's some, some, some people you can tell it's harder for them to lean on the cards to like take their eyes off You know, they they just rely more on their own memory and it always kind of backfires

Speaker 2 It's like

Speaker 2 that's like a host

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's like just read the card read what's on the card and I'm always wondering because I've never been in that position It's so easy to be like just read the card, but how

Speaker 2 it goes against every instinct Yeah,

Speaker 1 like I want to look at Dana and if you're looking a little to the side of Dana, you also want to go hey, like I I want to scoop up the lines and then say them to Dana, but you're supposed to just act like this is Dana here.

Speaker 1 And people will believe that until you look over like this and go back and they go, oh, wait, where are they? What's he looking at?

Speaker 2 You know, it goes back and forth.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's so many metrics to this. You know, the one thing I was thinking about was just if it's getting too late, but you know that your little piece is the rhythm is not right.

Speaker 2 So it drives you a little crazy. It's off by a couple syllables, but it's too late.

Speaker 2 so that's one thing that's very frustrating so i think that me coming back coming from the 80s yeah i didn't feel like it was a career move like i've got a score but yeah you still want to just do the best you can and a lot of it is the mindfuck of like

Speaker 2 have a sense of playfulness doesn't mean you're sabotaging anybody or going off the script but a sense of being playful when when the camera's there being alive in the frame you know not locked on the cards not scared and so it's a great place to get to, but it's nerve-wracking as hell, like I said.

Speaker 9 So, yeah. I mean, yeah, it just seems like some people have got it and some people are like, I can't, you know, like,

Speaker 9 it's tough.

Speaker 2 The amount of damage I'm never going to do. Just break the car.

Speaker 1 I think Dana likes to ad lib.

Speaker 1 The hardest part about ad-libbing is if it affects the next card or the next actor, because if you don't give them their feed line, then they're thrown and you don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 But you also go, shit, I could go on a run right here. Something you just think of that second and go, the crowd's right here.
This would work.

Speaker 1 And if that's like Dana is doing Biden directly to camera, he can just go off, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if someone's waiting for their line, it's like, that's the well, I would have loved to have done Biden and won.

Speaker 2 It wasn't the Dana Curvey show

Speaker 2 for like five minutes. But when I was doing George Bush Sr., I'm going way back.
But I was first time, I didn't have any bandmates with me. It was just me with the cards.

Speaker 2 And I was getting so into it toward the end that I just said to myself that the cue cards are suggestions. I still did them, but I said they're just suggestions.

Speaker 2 Cause if the audience is going to go for something, I'm going to ride that wave because it was just got to do it, all that stuff. But by the way, by the way,

Speaker 2 this is just an interesting fun fact about you. Your grandfather was James Baker.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't know this, but your grandfather.

Speaker 2 The guy behind the throne, the guy that everyone, in that era, that your grandfather came came up, is like, that was the guy that was kind of the president.

Speaker 2 He was so respected

Speaker 2 between the Reagan administration and George Bush Sr.

Speaker 2 that,

Speaker 2 you know, I met him at

Speaker 2 one of the events. You did.

Speaker 1 You know, Donnie Dana met him.

Speaker 2 Well, I had to go down because they said they wanted me to perform in the East Wing. This is after Bush lost the election, and he invited me to come out.
Fun crap.

Speaker 2 Cheer up the troops just and so i thought i thought the goal seems like a win-win you guys will love this i thought he'd go well you do 10 minutes then bring me up he goes you'll do 45

Speaker 2 45

Speaker 2 with his staff it would have to be all about him for 45

Speaker 2 this is like 20 and i saw your grandfather over there and he just kind of smiled and he's looking around you know it's like 40 five minutes of nah i don't know how long.

Speaker 2 But then, here's the other one about your grandfather. This is, I've never said this, it's not that it's not dramatic, but it's just so.
I'm having dinner with the president, Barbara.

Speaker 2 My wife and I were having dinner. There's a phone there, and something's going on in Somalia.
He goes, Well, I gotta go talk to James. And I go, at this point, he transitioned into being the

Speaker 2 Secretary of State into

Speaker 2 chief of staff. So he was chief of staff.
And I said to Barbara Bush, I go, why is he talking to James Baker?

Speaker 2 And he goes, well, you know, once a secretary of state, always a secretary of state, even though he was chief of staff. That's all I got.

Speaker 2 Sorry, we can edit that out.

Speaker 9 You know, they're really, they were like tennis partners. And sometimes I love the fact that they would like chat like girlfriends on the phone.

Speaker 9 Like they were kind of just like gossip buddies, you know?

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 9 They can't all be shit about Somalia together on the phone.

Speaker 1 Love island, Somalia.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they break it all down

Speaker 2 behind the scenes. You know, it's all like, well, that guy's, he's kind of a shit, you know, or whatever it is.
You know, they're just seeing. Talk to this prick.

Speaker 2 Everybody's a high school senior. That's why I say people are intimidated by politicians or anybody.
Everyone is recent high school senior.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I think that's also why I like,

Speaker 9 you know, people, my first year at SNL, I remember people coming up and being like, are you okay? Are you good?

Speaker 9 They only ask, they only ask you your first week because after that, nobody cares and no one's going to ask you.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 9 Everyone in the building will ask you how you're doing your first week because no, you'll never hear it again. No one ever again will be like,

Speaker 9 how are you feeling?

Speaker 9 So I remember people coming up and being like, are you nervous? Are you okay? Are you good? And I was like,

Speaker 9 Yeah, no, I was like, raised by war criminals. I think I'm, I got this.

Speaker 2 It's fine.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's your next special raised by war criminals.

Speaker 9 Doesn't scare me.

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Speaker 1 by the way

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 1 i was going on foul and I think people don't realize that to change gears. And I think we've all been in this position.

Speaker 1 I'm backstage and something happens and I get a call and there's a huge argument and some bad news. And they're like, you're up after this commercial.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, I'm up right now.

Speaker 1 And I'm so mad. I'm behind the curtain going,

Speaker 1 because you have to flip in once, in 30 seconds, they're coming back. The guy's like, 30 seconds.
I'm like, I'm so mad. I cannot walk out there.
And

Speaker 1 people forget that.

Speaker 1 you do have normal things in life and you got to come out and be like yada da da da da da da da yeah it took a second for me to honestly even walk out like almost mad and shake his hand, give him a little push and go, fuck, let's do this.

Speaker 1 It was almost like that. And then, of course, he's in a great mood.
Of course, the crowd is great.

Speaker 1 And you can change up. But in your head, you're like, it was, that was, that one was almost too fast for me to switch.

Speaker 2 It was, you know, we've all been in that spot. But a lot of times, if you're, what's, what, have you, you must have had horrible experiences where something happened.

Speaker 2 I, I bit my tongue and I was bleeding. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to shenanigans.
So you must deal with that all the time.

Speaker 2 You get a call and maybe it's your husband or the nanny and something happened.

Speaker 2 Well, shit, we'll do this.

Speaker 9 And then you got to be on.

Speaker 9 Ordinarily, though, I really thrive in those moments. Like I was like, I really enjoy like a piece of dark news and then

Speaker 9 having to perform with like while working on that. You know what I mean? It's such a fun, you know, like, wakes you up, kind of, you know?

Speaker 9 Yeah, you're woken up and there's just there's there's something I just universally ironic you're living in the irony of just being alive right and so that's just funny automatically because it's like here we are we think life's life's so great everything's so good and they get a piece of news and it's like the you know what I mean it's like it's the universal stepping on a rake and then having to like keep going.

Speaker 1 And then you gotta go, hey, dogs are funny. Do you ever notice dogs? And no one's like,

Speaker 1 I have a dog.

Speaker 2 And you're like, but in your head, you're like, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 A really good set in the early days. I noticed when I had strep throat or whatever the fuck it was

Speaker 2 doing so much stand-up and I got to go up and I'm really sick. So there was no pressure.
It was like, I can just get through this. And then usually those are really good sets.

Speaker 2 Something to learn from that kind of

Speaker 2 what you were saying. Like when you go to the bottom of the video,

Speaker 2 this is just ridiculous what I'm doing. Don't take it too seriously.

Speaker 9 yeah and it makes me think of that um that it was like a famous set that tig nataro did when she was like hi hi i have cancer you know yeah it's like that that's like a perfect comedy

Speaker 2 that's a perfect comedy set you know so yes in its own weird way that just releases so much whatever energy or any anticipation it's like whoa whoa what i mean the audience has to wake up too you know right it's like well i'm I'm processing it.

Speaker 9 So you should pro so, you know what I mean? It's like, let's all just process this together right now.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do the thing where you said where you step on a rake.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Step on a rake, flip on a banana peel.

Speaker 2 Well, step in a bucket. I've said this before.
You might find it.

Speaker 9 Your eyes go popping.

Speaker 2 Stephen Colbert. He does a great scoopy dude.

Speaker 2 Stephen Colbert said to me that right before he goes out, every night, even recently, that he slaps himself so hard, he wants to worry that, did I do it too hard this time? Right before he goes out.

Speaker 2 He wants to have that stress of like, maybe I bruise myself or maybe I really hurt myself. Just whack.
And then he would go out, you know? So we all have.

Speaker 9 Is that just to, is that every night?

Speaker 2 That's what he says.

Speaker 2 That's unless he stopped doing it. He says every single night.
And then, coincidentally, I told that story to Lauren. He goes, I do the same thing.

Speaker 2 Wrong examples.

Speaker 2 Marcy, please.

Speaker 1 Ryan Shirocki.

Speaker 2 Did you end up having?

Speaker 2 Oh, we're get your last question in.

Speaker 1 No, what's my last question? I'm having a nice time with Rose. You ask her one more thing.

Speaker 2 We'll let her go.

Speaker 2 Let's see.

Speaker 9 Well, you want to just tell people you're out there a little bit you're not on a massive tour but you're going to dublin ireland you're going to i'm doing the dublin yeah i'm doing dublin then i'm coming back to the states i'm doing westchester or westport connecticut what fuck one of those west

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 1 very fair what's that one i do

Speaker 9 or westport i think it's westchester um

Speaker 9 but anyway i'm All of my tour dates are like on my website at rosebudbaker.com.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and and you're playing the punchline, the original comedy club in the San Francisco comedy scene. That was the first time there was an actual dedicated comedy club in San Francisco, like 78, 79.

Speaker 9 Is that true? That came before Comedy Magic?

Speaker 2 Well, just that's down in Hermosa Beach. But in the San Francisco scene, it was all just bars.

Speaker 2 What about

Speaker 2 music clubs? Cobbs was after Punchline. Punchline was first.
What about Stand-Up Cafe or whatever you call it?

Speaker 2 The other cafe.

Speaker 1 The comedy cafe.

Speaker 2 Other cafe.

Speaker 1 Well, Rosebud, thank you. And you have a fun name.
It's fun to talk to you.

Speaker 2 It's very short.

Speaker 2 The Mother Load. I actually, I went on Reddit actually, and it's just like five stars.
People are coming

Speaker 2 to it.

Speaker 9 Good. And that's where they say the worst things.
So I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Those are the haters.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I'm glad you went to the haters first, just to make sure.

Speaker 2 Because I wanted to get, you know, because I'm still competitive competitive at this age and i still want to go what the are they saying about her yeah yeah she good god damn it

Speaker 2 but anyway um you got it all going on just have fun i don't know i don't have any words of wisdom it's been a pleasure if i end up out there and you're out there

Speaker 9 please please come and say hello during all the madness i would love to i would love to um thank you guys so much for having me i really appreciate it

Speaker 2 She's not going to say anything about the episode except these were my notes.

Speaker 1 Done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to everything. We dug deep.

Speaker 1 No one expects anything from this podcast. That's the best part.
Okay, go, Rose. She's leaving.
All right. That was RBB.

Speaker 2 We were just

Speaker 1 totally

Speaker 2 still on there. Now she left.

Speaker 2 That was Rosebud. Baker really got to know her.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 lots of fun. We learned a lot about update, which people are very curious about.
Weekend Update is a huge part of that show.

Speaker 1 Colin and Michael do a great job, and uh,

Speaker 1 and she helps write, put it up there, and uh, that's really fun. It was fun for me to see it from a different perspective when I was there.

Speaker 1 You were there, uh, and then when people come on and do update, that's a whole nother interesting world of writing your own bit to go on update. Who cuts, how many they cut.
It's all scary.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And you can tell that there is a,

Speaker 2 you have to have really good people skills. So meeting her and her whole vibe and how copacetic she was and smart, that, of course, she fits in.

Speaker 1 It's just a, it's a tough place. We always say it too much, but it's also a lot of fun.
And it sounds like she's having a good time. And it's fun to be a valuable part of all that.

Speaker 1 And then she's also got her kids. She's got her stand-up.
She's got a lot of things going right now.

Speaker 2 Well, it's interesting to me after we've done what we, that was our 12th podcast, I think, as Fly in the Wild.

Speaker 2 But I never get tired of the human experience of someone saying what they're feeling about going through that. I still find it really interesting because it's her own personal story.

Speaker 2 around all the different things and everyone's has a slightly different take on it. Sure.

Speaker 1 That's true. It's a little different.

Speaker 1 We relate to her in a lot of it, it, but she's got her own life and different things. So different things are stressed to her.
Different things are more valuable and fun.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I liked hearing about what is the week like because I'm so wrong on a lot of stuff now because read-throughs move. There's, there's different things.
What's the work week like?

Speaker 1 And who adds what? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's identical and yet it's slightly different.

Speaker 2 But it's only been 50 years. But anyway, that was very, very interesting.

Speaker 1 I liked her. I'm glad we got to know her because I did not really know her at all.
I just said hi to her at the show. And she turned out to be a blast.
So hope you guys liked it.

Speaker 1 We'll see you next time.

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