John Leguizamo: From The Ice Age To The Odyssey

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Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 I was the flavor that they were looking for, sort of like a ghetto hood wrap.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, I have been working against that because you know my acting teachers when i was 17 they were all like oh no one can understand you with that accent do you really speak that way

Speaker 4 and uh i good god sponged like you know i was like this i was like that yo man what you want what you need from me i'll be right there for you bro what's up you know i was i talked like that it was so dope because they thought it was going to be a bomb They thought ISH was going to be a serious bomb.

Speaker 4 They had closed down Fox animation because they thought it was over. Like, I'm not joking.
They thought it was over. There was no merchandise no advertising this

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 3 it was blew up cut the balls work the shaft cut the ball

Speaker 1 that's that's right out of my playbook

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Speaker 2 i would would you like to be referred to as a gent or a class act? David Spade, he's a gent. David Spade, he's a class act.

Speaker 1 Almost like it, David Spade is a buffoon.

Speaker 2 But that's that's common now. You're called a buffoon.

Speaker 1 You know, my last name is Spade. You know this, right? So it's not showbiz, it's very real.
So when I played tennis in high school, I always wanted to be called the Spade of Ace.

Speaker 1 That was like in the nickname, like in the Saguaro Saber Cap paper, like Spade of Ace wins again but the only thing that caught on was pinky dick

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 2 how did how how did this turn out how were you not named ace of middle name oh of ace of spades I don't I don't know how people my middle name could have been UV

Speaker 1 H of Spade

Speaker 1 But we're not here to talk about that.

Speaker 2 We're not here to talk about that.

Speaker 2 We're here to talk about John Legazamo. John Legazamo.
And he's a good dude.

Speaker 1 I've met probably very briefly in the past, but very aware of him.

Speaker 1 You know, being in the comedy world and someone's out there doing one-man shows. He was ruling HBO there for a while.

Speaker 1 He has a new show, John Legazamo, Does America, and he gets into a lot of very interesting things. You know, he's just a different world than us.

Speaker 1 We're just straight stand-ups, and he's like a one-man performer.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's one-man shows. And yeah, he's been a fixture.
I'm just going to use the word fixture

Speaker 2 in American entertainment, theater, movies, television. Yeah, he works.
Tu Wong Fu.

Speaker 1 Remember that one with Patrick Swayze? Patrick Swayze, and who else is Wesley Snipes? I think.

Speaker 1 Anyway, very interesting movie in the day, probably 20 years ago, but he's always sort of pushing the envelope and doing things. So

Speaker 1 great to have a chat with this dude. And here he is right now.
John Legazamo.

Speaker 3 It happened to me when I was doing Smartlist. They said, Download Chrome an hour later with two guys on the thing and finally punt it.
Not going to happen. Yeah.
Did it later? But yeah, Chrome.

Speaker 4 Got on Zoom. That was good.

Speaker 3 That was like

Speaker 3 cool. What's wrong with Zoom? Zoom never hurt anyone.
I know. Everyone hate it.
Yeah, they fucking hate it. Why do people hate Zoom?

Speaker 4 Why are they hating on Zoom? There's no need to be hating on Zoom.

Speaker 3 None.

Speaker 3 Zoom got us here. Zoom.

Speaker 3 No need to be on Zoom. I mean,

Speaker 3 right.

Speaker 4 Zoom got us like, we don't have to go meet directors in person anymore. We don't have to

Speaker 4 talk to anybody in person anymore. I mean, Zoom saved our, you know, our lack of time.

Speaker 3 When I talk to directors, I go, can I just not get the job from here?

Speaker 3 And they're like, yeah, we'll just say no here. If you want to have a fake meeting, I go, I do want the fake meeting.
But then afterwards.

Speaker 3 I like the free food.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to lie. I like the free food.
And if I'm a big fan of the director, I like meeting them in person so I can just have that brag. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 What's that like being in person? I mean, what happens?

Speaker 3 You see him in a room?

Speaker 3 I'm just on virtual.

Speaker 4 No, I mean, like, I just met Chris Nolan for The Odyssey.

Speaker 4 We met at the Odeon, you know, the big

Speaker 4 90s Hollywood, New York

Speaker 3 restaurant.

Speaker 4 And we sat for two hours. We chatted, talked about life, his biography, mine.
And then I did the Odyssey.

Speaker 3 Well, wait a minute. First of all, he's a genius.
That's a huge, huge, huge movie. That's not just a regular director to me.
I mean, my God, Dunkirk, Interstellar. I mean, what is Odyssey about?

Speaker 3 I've heard about it, but what is it about? And what are you doing in it?

Speaker 4 Not a lot to say a lot, but I'll try to talk about it.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay, I see.

Speaker 4 But I can, you know, obviously the Odyssey, the Homer,

Speaker 4 800 BC piece. He's doing it, period.
And Matt Damon's in it, and Tom Holland, and Ann Hathaway, Robert Pattinson, an incredible cast. And it's period.
It's a beautiful piece. I mean, he's a visionary.

Speaker 4 I mean, that, I mean, if I would have done it on Zoom, it would have been all right. I mean, I was still, I still got the part, but

Speaker 4 being in person to be, to have that,

Speaker 4 that sort of vibrations happen between you and it's wild. I mean, it's a big difference.

Speaker 3 Well, it's like being on a date. It's different just talking, but when when you get in the same room, you go, I can get a feel for someone.
I can, you know, there's, you're right. There's a vibes.

Speaker 3 There's an energy. There's something going on or not going on.
Right. If you get it

Speaker 4 as opposed to like having it there in person.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 3 I always have one ready for a director in case it comes up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But you, you're just meeting, right? You were just, you don't, do you audition anymore? I mean, you've done 100 movies from what I understand. Minimum.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I've done, I, I,

Speaker 4 don't audition I don't audition but I do have to meet

Speaker 4 yeah that's fair meet up with people I think I guess especially like Nolan has an incredible um

Speaker 4 asshole limit so no he doesn't he wants to meet people just to vet the assholes he doesn't want to work with people who are and that's my new fucking barometer

Speaker 4 I you know you get to a certain age I just don't want to deal with motherfucking assholes or egomaniacs or sociopaths just don't want to do that anymore No, I think you get to a certain point in your career, like Nolan, where he can pick and choose.

Speaker 3 And on the way up, you do have to work with assholes. That's just for all of us.
That's just the way it is.

Speaker 3 And then at certain, at some, if things are going good enough, you get to say, I don't want to do that when I've heard they're a drag or, you know, have a meeting and say, are you a fucking drag or not?

Speaker 3 Because I can't do this. It's so hard anyway.

Speaker 4 Oh my God, it's so true. Are you going to be a fucking pain in my ass?

Speaker 4 The most miserable experience I've ever had? Or are you going to play ball and make me shine, motherfucker?

Speaker 3 The biggest one is when you realize the director resents you because the studio forced you on them and they hate you the entire time and are really actively trying to sabotage you.

Speaker 3 Have you had that, John?

Speaker 4 No, I've never had that. I'm not at that level, but I've seen it happen.

Speaker 4 I've seen it several times when the director wanted a real artist, you know, know, like Australia and the studio didn't want to go, they wanted to go with some name, star, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 But I wouldn't even say star. Would they consider a name, maybe a lot of followers, which does lead to good acting?

Speaker 4 I don't know how to get good acting from just having a lot of followers, but you know how the bullshit the studio system is.

Speaker 3 You know, I had a meeting, John, where they said, you're kind of a name and you have a lot of followers, but you're not talented. I go, listen, we're not going to get everything.

Speaker 3 So let's just do this.

Speaker 4 Two out of three is

Speaker 3 It's not.

Speaker 3 Meatloaf said it.

Speaker 3 You're not funny. You can't

Speaker 3 sing, but those Instagram followers, wow.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's the majority of that talent pool, not to diss them, but to diss them.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But they say we get a big star and surround them with TikTokers.
Right.

Speaker 3 That tricky form. formula of like you have this demo they have this demo and together it will collapse basically it makes no sense.

Speaker 4 I mean, it makes no sense. Talent is talent for a reason.
And influencers,

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 it's a necessity of our modern world, but not something I go to.

Speaker 3 I have a quick question. When you were younger, weren't you in regarding Henry?

Speaker 4 Oh, you got to bring that up, didn't you?

Speaker 3 Is that bad? Bring it down.

Speaker 3 Well, you know.

Speaker 4 I was kind of humiliated by it. I mean, I did it only because I wanted, because I got no jobs.
I mean, there were no jobs for Latin folk. They just weren't.

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know if you remember the Ross report, because that's how desperate I was. I would get the Ross report,

Speaker 4 which managers and agents got.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 4 But so because there was no opportunities.

Speaker 4 So you would get every Monday and they would list everything that was available in movie and television, every role. But it was like Jim Crow.
I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 4 It was like white doctor, white lawyer, white person, white lover, Latino drug dealer. And I would ask my agent, please, can they see me?

Speaker 4 I want to do my monologue from David Mammoth, sexual person, Chicago. Please, they'll fall in love with me.
They won't even see you. So, you know, you have to be mad resourceful.

Speaker 4 You just had to be to try to get in that room with folks.

Speaker 3 Well, did Freddie, what did Freddie Prince mean to you, if anything? Or Paul Rodriguez? Because I came up, I always thought it was kind of weird.

Speaker 3 Oh, there's a Latino comic, and there's one of them or two, you know.

Speaker 3 But he was a force of nature. Were you in your formative years when Freddie was around?

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. I mean, I mean, he's way older than I am, but as a kid, to watch him on television and Chico and the Man was like, my God, the only Latino on television at the time.

Speaker 4 I mean, we had Desi Arnaz, but he was in the 50s.

Speaker 3 They say every two decades, we'll throw one out there. Yeah, that's the thing is that when I saw...

Speaker 3 Chico and the Man, I guess, as a kid, it was just another funny show. So I would have thought, looking back, hey, maybe they should give more of the

Speaker 3 Latinos a chance because this one's working really well. This, this show is very funny.
It fit right in. No one said a word.
It was just like, oh, another funny show without even separating it.

Speaker 3 It was like, hey, whoever's funny, throw them out there.

Speaker 4 Because talent is talented.

Speaker 4 care whether you're black Latino. They just want to see great shows, but they just weren't casting us.
So when I got regarding Henry, it was a drug dealer.

Speaker 4 I shoot this white guy and it was like, oh my God, I'm perpetrating what they want to see, which is negative Latino images.

Speaker 4 And I didn't want to participate in that, but I really wanted to meet Mike Nichols because he's one of the greats.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's

Speaker 4 Virginia Wolf, The Graduate, Carnal Knowledge, some of my favorite films.

Speaker 4 I did it because of that. But then, you know, there I am with my half, my sloppy fro, and I'm in the drugstore.
I mean, in the Bolega, and there's Harrison Ford, and

Speaker 4 I'm robbing the place.

Speaker 3 Oh, even talking about it just gives me people.

Speaker 3 Right. And I'm sorry about that.
I just sort of was like, Harrison Ford, Mike Nichols.

Speaker 3 I was looking at that angle, like to be on a set with them when you're younger must have been in some ways other than what you're describing.

Speaker 3 Obviously, it's kind of a sore subject, but just interesting to see them on a real set and how it works.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, just to be anywhere near Mike Nichols.
And Harrison Ford is always when he sees me, he's so lovely, you know, and I'm like, oh, wow,

Speaker 4 he's such a great dude to be around these folks you know but

Speaker 3 i love harry ford i do i really i enjoy harry ford and mikey nichols both you're the guy from the bodega

Speaker 3 did anyone ever say to you

Speaker 3 john can you laten it up a little more

Speaker 3 like oh yeah yeah

Speaker 4 they didn't have to say that to me as much Because I was the flavor that they were looking for, sort of like a ghetto hood rap.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, I had been working against that because, you know, my acting teachers, when I was 17, they were all like, oh,

Speaker 4 no one can understand you with that accent. Do you really speak that way?

Speaker 4 And I

Speaker 4 talk like, you know, I was like, I was like, that, yo, man, what you want? What you need from me? I'll be right there for you, bro. What's up?

Speaker 3 You know, I would, I talk like that.

Speaker 4 And I don't, you don't really hear that anymore.

Speaker 3 They go, that's what we're looking for. That's, that's our man right there.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They totally understand, man. This is the person that becomes

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Speaker 3 You play the Spanish squirrel in Ice Age.

Speaker 3 What's going on? By the way,

Speaker 3 very funny.

Speaker 3 What is a sloth? It's a sloth.

Speaker 3 It's a Shosh.

Speaker 3 Dude, Ice Age is a killer.

Speaker 4 I did research. I did research because I gave the guy like a thousand voices.
I was like, you know, like, what if he's from Southeast Asia and he talked like this?

Speaker 3 And he said, no.

Speaker 4 What if he's from the deep, deep south and you talk like that? He goes, nah. I said, what if he's hood and talk like that? He said, nah.

Speaker 4 So I did research on the Discovery Channel and I got all this footage on sloths and they store the food in the cheap pouches, you know,

Speaker 4 and it ferments.

Speaker 3 And so I spoke up. Oh, great.

Speaker 4 And I was like, oh my God, this, this is my character. This is it.

Speaker 3 And it's a hit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I say it's such a smash. That's great.

Speaker 4 My celebrity worth.

Speaker 3 It's 90% of your celebrity on Google. I'm fascinated by celebrity net worth.
Not that, but what did you get for the first Ice Age? What percentage more did you get for the sequel?

Speaker 3 Wow,

Speaker 4 it was dope. It was so dope because they thought it was going to be a bomb.
They thought Ice Age was going to be a serious bomb. They had closed down Fox animation because they thought it was over.

Speaker 4 Like, I'm not joking. They thought it was over.
There was no merchandise, no advertising. This shit came a job or not.
It blew up. It was so huge.

Speaker 4 And then when they wanted to come back for us for number two,

Speaker 4 we got, I took them to the cleaners.

Speaker 3 Yeah. The best position to be in.
Did you actually indicate to them that this is my number or I don't do the sequel? Because your character was essential at that point, I believe.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. No, we negotiated hard, man.
I got, I bought a country house.

Speaker 4 I bought a massive apartment. I bought a pool.

Speaker 3 Jesus, I bought a pool.

Speaker 3 Do you have any idea of any animated movies that are coming out? No, I'll just up in my mouth. I'll talk like whatever they want.
I mean, you know, anyway, just if you have anything, just DM me.

Speaker 4 I'll keep my eye on it.

Speaker 3 Listen, I'm waiting for Hotel Transylvania five. Ooh.
Yeah. When they get a

Speaker 4 how much does that bring you, bro?

Speaker 3 I got a waiting pool.

Speaker 3 Boy, pool.

Speaker 3 But I know. Aiding for a pool?

Speaker 3 No, I think by five, I should get a pool.

Speaker 3 It was, listen, it's very, it's a very fair paycheck.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's not fair to the real world, but it's great. And then it usually goes up increments.
I'm not as crucial as you would be in Ice Age, but it's really fun to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 Also, in the way that when I see kids, it's a good relatable thing because they see them.

Speaker 4 But dude, I get the, I get the, for me, it's a weird experience when I meet the kids because parents come up to me and they go, oh, hey,

Speaker 4 I'm a huge fan of my sister. Can I introduce you to my son? I go, yo, it's not going to go really well because

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 4 And that voice is, and they really relate. And then the parents come up and I go to the kids and I go, hi, how's it going? And the kids are like horrified.

Speaker 3 Oh, I know. I don't.

Speaker 4 song and dance explaining to the child so they're not traumatized for them yeah they don't get it and they don't they don't love it they start

Speaker 3 on the phone

Speaker 4 They don't love it. It's fascinating.

Speaker 4 And I can understand it. I mean, I'm not, I wouldn't force myself on these poor kids.
I'm like, please don't do this to them.

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Speaker 4 I know Kanto, Bruno, there's a ride.

Speaker 4 Because that's Disney.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? Disney.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Bruno and Canto is Disney. Sorry, that's another animated.

Speaker 3 Oh, and Canto and Canto.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you don't talk about Bruno.

Speaker 4 The biggest hit song that Disney has ever had.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Dana. Oh, yeah.
Oh, Brabra. Thank you, John, for explaining it.

Speaker 3 No, no.

Speaker 3 Let me see. I have more questions for this.

Speaker 3 Most talkative. I love that in school.
Yeah, chatterbox. High school.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Chatterboxes, too?

Speaker 3 I think I was because I was in a bad sort of

Speaker 3 area where

Speaker 3 I think I read, you felt like you might get beat up when you were growing up.

Speaker 3 And I was in the same, if that's true, I was in an area that was, and I was a little pip squeak, which you would never believe, but,

Speaker 3 and I wasn't as tough as I am now with these quads and how I work out all the time.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 3 I would just go to school and go, I'm going to get beat up today or pushed into a wall. And so I would try to joke my way out of it.
And I, and also my dad had taken off.

Speaker 3 And I think when I look back, I'm trying to joke around and make friends because, sort of, to get some happy stuff going, just to talk and talk and have fun.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God. That's kind of like me.
It was like my house was really difficult. My house situation was, there was a lot of aggression and violence.

Speaker 4 My dad basically would edit out the humor out of the home movies.

Speaker 4 It was like there was a fun-free zone in my house.

Speaker 4 So I was always trying to bring humor and light and life to every situation plus my neighbor was really tough so i was always fighting all the time but let me correct not fighting i was getting beat up thank you

Speaker 4 a few times but not not a lot but i did have a good right right punch and and i could knock people out

Speaker 4 but i got beat up a lot yeah it was off school i got people took my lunch money they would pick on my brother so i'd have to try to defend my brother too so yeah there was a lot of fighting going on at home and in the streets which prepared me for hollywood hollywood ain't got shit.

Speaker 4 They can't take me down.

Speaker 4 I'm in. Yeah, I'm invincible now.

Speaker 3 You try to keep it light at school, try to keep things fun because you want to be like valuable as funny so you don't get beat up all the time. So you're like, we like this guy.
He's kind of a clown.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That was my angle.
Like, just leave me alone. I'll joke around with everyone.
I'll stay out of your way.

Speaker 4 But I didn't back down, though. That was my problem.

Speaker 4 I didn't have that thing that I could back down. If people cornered me, I wanted, yeah, I don't know.
I needed to, I guess I had a lot of aggression and anger. So I needed to get it out.

Speaker 3 I do have that thing. So I do back down easily.

Speaker 3 Dana?

Speaker 3 We all have similar childhoods. It was not fun at home.
There was a monster in the neighborhood. In the neighborhood, there was a monster, a scary monster.
And then the monster was my dad.

Speaker 4 How is he a monster?

Speaker 3 You know, if you

Speaker 3 he would, if you did something he didn't like, there were five kids, you know, he'd gather everyone around, you'd have to go get his belt and then he would snap it, you know, snap that belt and then you'd have to grab your ankles and then he would ask your siblings how many lashes.

Speaker 3 And then it, he'd just wail on you. Yeah.
But I learned to be like a mouse. I learned to be, you know, not seen or heard because of the threat of violence.
So anyway, I kind of concur with you.

Speaker 3 I'm only fascinated that you had a right hand that could knock people out. I just needed to know how old were you? Were you like fifth grade knocking people out? Or?

Speaker 4 No, no, I was 13,

Speaker 3 14.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, no, no, no. I mean, the fights that I had before were like stupid little kid fights.

Speaker 3 You know, you just wail on each other, you know, like that kind of fun. Right.
Sure.

Speaker 4 No, but then by the time I got 13, you know, I hung out with some tough kids who would protect me because I make them laugh.

Speaker 4 So I hang out with them and I do their homework too because I was a ghetto nerd. So they would protect me.

Speaker 4 But then I got, got, you know, I got, I think, I think I had so much rage and fear when kids, some kids would corner me and try to beat me up. I would talk a lot and I'll go, hey, dude, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 And I'd look down and I'd be like, I'm so sorry. I didn't.
And then I'd suck a punch him and knock him out with one punch.

Speaker 3 Shit.

Speaker 3 I like that. That's, you know, I was kind of a puss, so I didn't get that.
And I just had the rage build up and it just stayed. So that's why my neck hurts.

Speaker 3 Other than that,

Speaker 3 wait, I want to hear a little bit about Legozoma Does America because I also want to ask about some other movies too. But can you tell us a little bit about that right now?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, our first season was at MSNBC, number one original show for the last three years. So we got a season two out of it.

Speaker 4 And basically, I go around the country looking for Latin excellence, Latin brilliance, Latin genius, Latin ingenuity. And I celebrate it, you know, and I go to six different cities every year.

Speaker 4 And, you know, last season I went to LA, New York, Miami, Chicago, Chicago, the big Latin places. Right.
And then this time I went to Raleigh.

Speaker 4 People down there. And

Speaker 4 New Orleans, NOLA,

Speaker 4 San Antonio, obviously, a big Latin population there. And Phoenix and Denver and Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 Shit. Yeah, I'm from Arizona.

Speaker 3 So when you go to somewhere like that, do you have like a crew you kind of scout out, or do you kind of walk out in the world and just start talking to people, or how does it work?

Speaker 4 Oh, no, no,

Speaker 4 it's very heavily planned.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 4 uh you know i have a great team my director bende jesus my my showrunner caro savedra and uh you know and then producers for each segment and you know we find the best people and then we walk and we do all these you know like uh like an anthony bourdain but of latino culture i know okay

Speaker 3 what have you doing this show has there been surprises to you or or or experiences of learning or or is it you're just showcasing people from a lot of people?

Speaker 4 A lot of learning is happening for me. Yeah.
I mean, when we Philadelphia, I learned that, you know, you know, it's a big center of American,

Speaker 4 the colonies and the nation. And I learned that 10,000 unknown Latino patriots fought in the American Revolution.
And then I went home when I got that news and I started reading it and researching.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I found out that there were 80,000 troops. And then I realized we were one in eight.
We were one in eight.

Speaker 4 and then juan de miraez funded george washington they had a bromance and he gave them two million dollars from cuba mexico and spain general bernardo galvez got an army of 3 000 puerto ricans cubans mexicans native americans and freed slaves and they kicked the british all out of the south so they couldn't ambush the new england patriots the the revolutionaries not the football team okay not the team okay That's interesting.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well,

Speaker 3 very interesting.

Speaker 4 Is the Alamo a sore point for people from latin america because it's kind of like john wayne did the movie and remember the alamo but from the other side of the fence is it yeah i mean being a latin person and the alamo yeah is kind of uh because you know all these latin people it was first of all it was mexico and latin for like ever and then we let all these white people come in thinking that you know maybe we could the people in Texas could become a country on their own and they would ban.

Speaker 4 And so they worked with the texans uh the whatever the the the the white people that started coming in there and they freed themselves from mexico but then the texans

Speaker 4 turned on them and took their you know their their land their political power uh and then started massacring and lynching all the latin people there

Speaker 3 so the john wayne movie wasn't a fan favorite of yours or

Speaker 4 you know i didn't know but i was rooting against myself

Speaker 3 he likes it yeah well until you know know something, it's hard to,

Speaker 4 I bet you, Dana, I bet you do the killer as well.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Dana, where's your killer as what?

Speaker 3 Duke, come on.

Speaker 3 All right. Here's my John Wayne.
Yeah. John Wayne and Walter Brennan.

Speaker 3 The thing I do like about John Wayne is not that he had no fear. He was furious at the idea that anyone else would have any fear.
So, you know, well, let's attack them, Pappy.

Speaker 3 No, Duke, there's 10,000 of them and 40 of us, Duke. We're gonna die.
I said, attack, Pappy. You'll attack when I tell you.

Speaker 3 Don't make me do what I did last time.

Speaker 3 What did you do? What are you doing?

Speaker 3 That's how he ends it. He never says.
Oh, everyone goes, oh, fuck. I don't want to have a bad thing.
I'm going to hang her.

Speaker 3 Let me do one more, and then I want to ask you about your very first stand-up bit because this is one of my earliest stand-up bits. I would say, Lucille Ball in 1952.
Oh, Ricky. Lucio Ball today.

Speaker 3 Well, oh, wait, no. Sorry.
Sorry. It goes like this.
It goes, John Wayne, 1952. Well, let's go over the ridge.
John Wayne today.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 let's go over the ridge. Lucio Ball, 52.
Let's go. Come on, Ricky.
Lucio Ball today.

Speaker 3 Well, let's go, Ricky.

Speaker 3 I didn't do it very well, but it killed.

Speaker 3 It sounds like there's something there and we're still going to work. It always killed.
So your first stand-up bit that really worked for you.

Speaker 3 You have five seconds. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 3 You have 25 seconds.

Speaker 4 You know, I was part of First Amendment comedy troupe where Bruce Willis used to come in New York City and Robin Williams,

Speaker 4 come down, rest in peace. And I was part of the seat company.

Speaker 4 And the great thing about it is there was a lot of cute women. And

Speaker 4 that was

Speaker 4 comedy was wonderful back then for me. And yeah.

Speaker 3 When was it Mambo Mount? That wasn't your first one, was it?

Speaker 4 That was my first one-man show in 1990.

Speaker 3 Okay, because I remember hearing about that. Was that HBO?

Speaker 4 Yeah, then it went to HBO, but I was doing it in the performance arts spaces downtown. And then I did it at the American Place Theater where Sam Shepard, Arthur Miller.
Al Pacino, George Plinth.

Speaker 4 I don't know if y'all remember who he was. Alexis,

Speaker 4 Jonathan K. Jr., rest in peace, all came down and were in my tiny, tiny theater, bro.
I had 70 fold-up seats because they would lift my little tiny platform out of the way for the real show.

Speaker 4 I wasn't even a real show. I was like a sideline.

Speaker 3 So they all came down and watched you do that. How cool.
And so HBO hears about this. You get some buzz, and that's how they come in.
And they, yeah, yeah, like they hear about a stand.

Speaker 3 They hear about something and they want to see what's going on. So they throw it on HBO and that must have blown you up a little bit, right?

Speaker 4 Huge. What happened then after that was I wasn't in tiny spaces anymore.
Now I was in big ass theaters traveling around the country.

Speaker 4 And especially because Latin people now found me because they were getting the bootleg HBO.

Speaker 4 They couldn't afford the regular HBO.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I know, I know, because everybody told me I got the bootleg. And I was like, oh, great.

Speaker 3 I didn't get it.

Speaker 4 But yeah, then all of a sudden we met each other and it was beautiful, man. It was like religion.
I mean, I think my audiences have always

Speaker 4 kind of kept me going against all odds, you know, because you know, we land people at 20% of the U.S.

Speaker 4 population, but less than 3% of the leads in Hollywood, less than 0% of the executives or stories being told. It's just, it's so crazy, you know.
But that's

Speaker 3 27% of the population.

Speaker 3 Oh, really?

Speaker 3 You'd be a good executive, actually.

Speaker 3 Dana? Yes.

Speaker 4 Would you be, would you be Lucille Ball as an executive or John Laguzu?

Speaker 3 Well, John Laguziamo. Well, he does the one-man shows.
Just him all the time, Pappy. Is he good, Duke? He gets Emmy nominations and all kinds of stuff.
Well, I don't know, Pappy.

Speaker 3 Don't make me do what I did last time. Sorry, that's

Speaker 3 what he did last time. Yeah,

Speaker 3 you're the only one who likes my John Wayne. That's what I'll tell you.
I like it too. I like the Lucille ball part better.
Well, I don't know. I'm available for parties or whatever, you know.

Speaker 4 Lucy, don't do that to me. You got a lot of stuff.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you a question about

Speaker 3 Desi Arnaz Jr. This is supposedly

Speaker 3 a thing I heard from a crew guy that, you know, he liked the ladies and Lucy and the marriage and the whole thing. And she's wandering around in this backstage in the studio.

Speaker 3 Ricky, Ricky, Ricky, she comes along, sees him up in the slats, up in the whatever, and a woman is performing oral sex on him. He sees Lucy and goes, get out of here, mom, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 What are you doing? He's pretending he's being attacked by the woman. Get away from me.
What are you doing? What are you doing? That's what I heard from a guy who's on the crew. Could that be true?

Speaker 4 Could be true. Have you heard the one about Stallone that he left the speaker on in the trailer?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 he was mic'd?

Speaker 4 And he was like, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And he was going, Cut the balls, work the shaft, cup the balls.

Speaker 3 That's it's right out of my playbook.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's a good technique. I mean, it's functional.

Speaker 3 People don't know outside of Hollywood, you have a mic on, a lavalier mic, and you don't turn it off sometimes. Yeah.
And a lot of bad stuff can happen with that. But I've noticed that.

Speaker 3 And they always say they can't hear you when you walk away from the set. I go, that's the biggest lie.
I would just listen to people. That would be so fun.

Speaker 3 They always go, once you get to this, I go, I'm having a meeting. I don't want to take all this off.
Can you just turn it off? They go, sure.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that happened with Betty Davis, the director. I can't remember what his name is right now.
Worked really hard to get her into, I think it was a Jezebel, one of those big southern ones.

Speaker 4 Then she left her mic on and she was telling the producers to fire him that she couldn't stand the director.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. That's what happens.
Alec Baldwin and Kim Basnier were

Speaker 3 either fighting or getting it on or something in a car, like between takes.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 Carrie Grant, his was on, he was doing North by Northwest, you know, and he was with the producers. And he said, I don't believe it.
Hitchcock is a hack.

Speaker 3 He couldn't direct him sway out of a paper bag. Get that dumpy freak out of here.
No more hitchcock for me.

Speaker 3 I knew that set you into a bit. That was just too much.

Speaker 3 Nobody does,

Speaker 3 you know, Kerry Grant anymore. Nobody wants to do it.
Nobody wants to even think about it. There.
I've got John Wayne and Karen Grant. Okay, here's my last one.

Speaker 3 Only from John.

Speaker 3 Here's my last one, and it's the worst one. This is Madonna

Speaker 3 on the last day of her 180 city tour.

Speaker 3 Holiday.

Speaker 3 That's it.

Speaker 3 Because she's on her voice is so. Dana, you still have her.
No, it's the same joke. but I think it's a good idea.
Very much Lucille Ball. You can have it.
You're my friend.

Speaker 3 If we took a holiday goodnight, fuck it. That's the last show.

Speaker 3 No, because I heard a video of her in Japan, and when she was singing holiday, she was bottomed out a little bit. But listen, let's not over talk about how good that impression is.

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Speaker 3 I want to know,

Speaker 3 look at all my notes on John. I want to know when you did Romeo and Juliet, was Theo coming off of like Titanic? Was Leo huge at that point?

Speaker 4 No, this was before Titanic.

Speaker 3 Oh, shit, was it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, it was before Titanic. But he was living large.
I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn or, you know,

Speaker 4 but we were living large. We were living crazy.
I mean, we were in Mexico City and, you know, he had a crew.

Speaker 4 It was a lot of male actors and we were just

Speaker 4 acting like old Hollywood.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm sure. You can leave it at that.

Speaker 4 Nobody does that anymore.

Speaker 4 You shouldn't be doing that.

Speaker 3 Good. I like that you added that.
You should not be doing that. Yeah, we're not quite sure what you're talking about, but anyway,

Speaker 3 was Leo. Did Leo have a vibe then? Did you think, hey, that kid's gonna be a superstar? Or he was just another

Speaker 4 so good in the movie, man.

Speaker 4 And he was amazing, like, as

Speaker 4 another actor, you know, there are actors that are really mad, selfish, and they just take care of themselves and they walk off, they don't even try to hang, or or even do off-camera.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of actors who walk off. He would give the same or better performance off-camera for us.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 4 I was, it was so generous and so beautiful. And he was incredible.
The kid was incredible. And he would, he, he, like, gathered all the actors.
He's only 19 and he brought us all together.

Speaker 4 I was almost 30. And the other actors were like in their late 20s, Dash Myhawk.

Speaker 4 I can't remember all the other actors because I'm old.

Speaker 3 Who else is there? Claire Danes? Was Julia?

Speaker 4 She was 16. She was mad young.
She didn't hang with us.

Speaker 3 Did you see the movie Titanic with Leo?

Speaker 4 I didn't see it. I don't see commercial movies.

Speaker 3 Yeah, good job. I was just curious because there was a problem I have with the movie.
It's brilliant, but asked me to.

Speaker 3 Well, when the ship is going down, you know, it's Jack and Rose are the characters. He's Jack.
And they say each other's names

Speaker 3 over and over again throughout the whole going, running around the ship. You know, Rose, Rose, Jack, Jack.
You know, I mean, every

Speaker 3 Jack, go this way. Rose, come over here.
It's never hey, you, or let's go. They say Rose or Jack like 200 times.
just i watch a lot

Speaker 3 observation i watch too many movies but

Speaker 3 you wanted them to just go hey well just don't it'd be like me saying john uh david hey john david david it was

Speaker 3 it's kind of like bad writing like you like you want to you want to get your character names in early and then go yeah let's but i want to ask you because uh what movies blow your mind i mean what do you what if what is what are your favorites and what are your favorite directors?

Speaker 3 I'm just curious.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm a cinephile.

Speaker 4 So I like a lot of old, amazing movies like Carl Dreyer's, Joan of Arc.

Speaker 4 It's an amazing movie, silent film, where he took the actual transcripts of the lawyers from the 1400s.

Speaker 4 and turned it into a movie. And then his first movie, because it was made from Nitroglycerin, the film back then, it blew up.

Speaker 4 So he had to go back into the editing room and take all his sides and reconstruct the whole entire movie. It's amazing.
That's the kind of shit I like.

Speaker 3 Literal silent films.

Speaker 3 Quirkies.

Speaker 4 You know, Pellini, Pasolini, all the Eenies.

Speaker 3 All the Eenies.

Speaker 3 All the Eenies. Sagatini.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. What? Well, what's the

Speaker 3 worst

Speaker 3 example of whitewashing out there?

Speaker 3 oh wow um

Speaker 3 i'm sure there's a hand

Speaker 4 period pieces and you know i was i was pitching a lot of latin period pieces because i had a lot of great stories and they kept telling me no john sorry we're not doing any period stuff and then all of a sudden the crowd comes out all of a sudden a thousand

Speaker 4 period pieces with only white folk comes out and i was like

Speaker 4 but then you know here here

Speaker 4 That's why Nolan is such a visionary. I mean, Lupita Nyongo's in it.

Speaker 3 I'm in it.

Speaker 4 Corey Hawkins is in it. Zendaya is in it.
I mean, you can do period and have people of color. We've been here for, you know, for hundreds and thousands of years.

Speaker 4 It works. It doesn't have to be just a whites-only show.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Well, Odyssey seems like it's going to be a monster. I think a lot of people are looking forward to that.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 If it's Chris Nolan, I'm going.

Speaker 3 Rhymes. Got to see that.
Got to see his movies.

Speaker 4 If it's Nolan, I'm going.

Speaker 3 If it's Nolan, I'm going.

Speaker 3 All right,

Speaker 3 I'll stay away. No, no, that's not a saying.

Speaker 3 That's something that happens, but it's not a common saying.

Speaker 3 Well, let me see. We've got, Dane, anything else for this lovely young man? Did you do anything with Arnold Swarshenago? Yeah, yeah, I loved Arnold.

Speaker 4 I did this terrible movie called Collateral.

Speaker 3 It wasn't terrible. Collateral.

Speaker 4 I either either did collateral damage. I did the one with Arnold, not the one with Tom Cruise.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, that was collateral. I think collateral damage.
Yeah, collateral damage.

Speaker 4 It was between me and Jamie Fox for the Tom Cruise one, but I messed up my first callback.

Speaker 3 So I Arnold.

Speaker 4 I ended up with Arnold, the Constellation Prize. I did the other.

Speaker 3 How did he pronounce your name? Damn.

Speaker 4 He didn't pronounce my name. He didn't call me by my name.
He go, hey, John.

Speaker 3 Oh, he never tried. Because I just thought his accent with your last name would have been.

Speaker 4 I love that.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's so, he's so fun, man. He's a funny ass dude.
He had me rolling all the time. Like, he's a crazy funny guy.

Speaker 3 He's the most positive.

Speaker 4 He let me use his gym. I go, come on.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 You need to do some flies. Yeah.

Speaker 3 All the ways are so massive. I couldn't pick anything up.

Speaker 3 I was like, I'll just... stand in the corner and look because yeah john no offense but you're a little bit of a girly man you know your arms are puny, like little chicken sticks.

Speaker 3 Your buttocks are like marshmallows. You're lucky I don't have a campfire here.

Speaker 4 Me nude.

Speaker 3 Boy, you have such a resume. I was blown away by how much you've done and how varied it is.
And you're still going full bore. So

Speaker 3 it's amazing. We've not had a guest like you with this many things.
It's I can't. There's so much going on here.
You're crazy.

Speaker 4 That's what immigrants do. I work my ass

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 4 at the same time yeah

Speaker 3 yeah you got two wong foo you've got it was what it was wesley snipes yeah wesley snipes and and rest in peace patrick swayze patrick swayzey okay that's right

Speaker 3 and the original time the original oh yeah way ahead of it yeah that was that was bold that was a bold move for by you guys oh my god especially for the two of them because they were action stars yeah for them to play

Speaker 4 drag queens, what we call them back then, that was a huge risk. For me, nobody really knew who I was.
So for me, it was just, I got to steal this movie from them.

Speaker 3 That was my only objective.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think you did look exceptionally good.

Speaker 3 It's shocking. You don't know how good a guy will look in drag and some look horrible and some look great as a girl.
It's crazy. Can't really predict it.

Speaker 4 I mean, well, you know, wesley was still working out i stopped working out like six months before the movie and went vegetarian so i could lose all my muscle and it just makes a difference you know i i committed like crazy to it i wanted to do it right and yeah i wanted to steal the mood from them that's smart when i go to a movie i don't do anything ahead of time then the day on the movie i go what's this one and then i pick up the script then i look at it technique that's uh yeah that's something

Speaker 3 yeah uh brando would never he's had lines everywhere he'd have he'd open open an orange and read the line. And Brando wanted to it's inside the orange.
Yeah, it's inside the orange.

Speaker 4 Damn, come on. You're going to have a Brando.
Come on. I know you're going to have

Speaker 4 Brando out there.

Speaker 3 He worked hard enough at that point. He just goes, just make it easy on me.
Come on.

Speaker 3 Everybody does that. I mean,

Speaker 3 Brando and Apocalypse. Now, Brando and Superman.
The first original Superman was a man. That was sad.

Speaker 4 But he got $8 million. He needed the cash for the island.

Speaker 3 Heyday, streetcar and desire on the one.

Speaker 3 Stud, stud. The way I got Trump initially was I did Brando and I mixed in Regis Phillman.

Speaker 4 Do it. Do it.
Do it. Do each one of this.

Speaker 3 Are you an assassin? What are you talking about? You walk your way to Regis a little bit. You do the two together and you got him here.
We're going to do a lot of good things.

Speaker 3 We're going to do amazing things. Are you ready for this? Okay, blazing up.

Speaker 3 That's fire. That's fire.

Speaker 3 It was. Everything was better when I first did it.
But anyway, Super Mario Brothers is a classic.

Speaker 3 Super Mario Brothers 92.3.

Speaker 3 That was huge.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, it was huge because the directors fought for me to be in the movie because they didn't want me. And they fought really hard.
Annabelle Cankel and Rocky Morna, big props to them.

Speaker 4 And obviously, me and Hoskins don't share any DNA.

Speaker 3 We're playing.

Speaker 3 It works. Hey, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 What is your name? What are you doing in a fucking movie? I don't know. Bob Hoskins is great.

Speaker 4 Oh, man. He spoke Cockney English.

Speaker 4 He didn't speak the King's English, the Queen's.

Speaker 3 Right. He showed all my

Speaker 4 malls and sash and all right.

Speaker 3 Was that around Roger Rabbit? Excellent. Shut me what to do with me.
You don't put me in a movie. He shot you right there.
The fucking movie.

Speaker 4 I needed subtitles for when I talked to him because I was like, I can't.

Speaker 3 I can't. Did Roger Rabbit ever come to the set?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 3 That sucks.

Speaker 3 Who played Roger Rabbit?

Speaker 3 Charles Fleischer. Yeah, you're right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Please, Eddie. What a mug.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was a hit. Fucking A.

Speaker 3 John, listen, it's called.

Speaker 3 Thanks for talking to us, John.

Speaker 3 Legazamo Does America

Speaker 3 and along with one million other things.

Speaker 3 MSNBC, because I like specifics. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Sunday, Sunday,

Speaker 4 West Coast and 9 p.m. East Coast.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look at John and MSNBC. Yes.
It's like because when people say they got a show, I go, where? What platform? Where are you? Say it. Make it easy.

Speaker 4 I don't mind plugging myself.

Speaker 3 Of course. Why not? That's what we're here.
You're the star of the show. I mean, you're the host.
It's not like it's.

Speaker 3 Thank you, John.

Speaker 3 You're a good dude, and it's nice talking to you.

Speaker 4 It was a blast, man.

Speaker 3 Great to see you. Thanks for laughing at my goofy old impressions.
No, I love them, bro. I love them.

Speaker 3 I hope we run into each other. I hope so, too.

Speaker 1 All right, Dana. So we just hung up with John.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it feels, you know, I feel like I had met him in the old SNL days. I feel like because, you know, he was out there.
That was right around those HBO things.

Speaker 1 And I brought up mom by mouth because it was such a,

Speaker 1 it was a big deal on HBO and a lot of people saw that thing. That was when HBO was, you know, HBO is really big now.
Euphoria, obviously, White Lotus, but HBO was big.

Speaker 1 So you get a show on there, and that must have blown him through the roof.

Speaker 2 That was, that was, yeah, everything was a lot bigger then because there were less venues to do stuff. But yeah, that was big.

Speaker 2 And this was one of those things where I didn't, I'd never really met him or hung out with him. So it was, he's a really fun guy.
Got a big laugh. And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 he's, I don't know. He's, he's just a character.
He's part of.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a charming dude. I got off on the wrong foot asking about regarding Henry, but I was, he understood Mike Nichols, Harrison Ford, how exciting.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's a bad guy in a movie, but what a great movie that was a big deal. I mean, I remember regarding Henry because later when I ran into J.J.
Abrams, who wrote it,

Speaker 1 he had the porn version in his office called Regarding Heine,

Speaker 1 which if you get a chance,

Speaker 1 it doesn't follow it didn't follow the exact story perfectly but close enough for me

Speaker 2 well that does sound like jj abrams but maybe he's got a secret side i don't know about no someone gave it to him as a joke

Speaker 1 you know you're famous when your movie gets turned into a porn i think

Speaker 2 they do it anymore that's wayne and garth are in a porn or something i don't remember

Speaker 1 they take the title you have to have a good title you know you have to have your ass licked park you have to have like a good title that kind of lends itself and basically, it's a porn with a dinosaur in the background.

Speaker 1 You know, they don't, they're not sticklers to the original screen.

Speaker 2 Right, right. So anyway.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you brought up

Speaker 2 Hank Ford or Harry. Harry.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Hank Ford. What did I used to say? Oh, this is too old of a movie.
Bang the nun slowly.

Speaker 1 That was an old joke.

Speaker 2 I knew two comedians who just went back and forth. It was part of their act.
It was kind of a teenage.

Speaker 1 Oh, and they do porn movies.

Speaker 2 They just do porn titles, fake porn titles back and forth. It's very exciting.

Speaker 1 Anyway, back to John. He's done so many movies.

Speaker 1 I heard he was. Oh, I didn't ask about fucking Carlito's Way.
That's what I want to ask. The Sean Penn Pacino

Speaker 2 movie.

Speaker 1 I just didn't want to step in shit again, but

Speaker 1 I just remember Carlito's Way and Sean Penn was so hilarious in it. It was such a cool movie.

Speaker 2 Sean Penn is a brilliant character actor.

Speaker 1 We got to get Sean on here.

Speaker 2 He loves putting a wig on, an accent. I mean, he can't can't in Carlito's way.

Speaker 1 It was so.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was hilarious to me.

Speaker 1 He's like a coke-snorting lawyer or something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I think people, I hope you liked it, John Legazamo, and check out his show.

Speaker 1 The guy is a force to be reckoned with. He's out there and he's always working.

Speaker 2 I guess that the takeaway is like, here's a guy who just started from where he started, scrambled for everything he got, and he still looks at it that way. It's still going for it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, after 100 movies.

Speaker 1 100 movies and

Speaker 1 you're presently in a Chris Nolan movie.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 that's as good as it gets. Yeah.
Yeah. So anyway.
All right.

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