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Speaker 2 Okay, welcome to the show, Dana. And

Speaker 1 I got to tell you, it's a pleasure to be on the David Spade Show once again.

Speaker 2 I would not change channels.

Speaker 1 Okay, what's your

Speaker 2 first big question is, and this is what a lot of people are talking about this week: is this sweatshirt purple?

Speaker 2 I say yes.

Speaker 1 Well, it depends on your monitor. If it is purple, it's an extremely dark navy blue purple.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 It might be navy blue. You're wearing it.

Speaker 1 What is navy blue? Is it? Navy.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Navy, you dunce.

Speaker 2 It's a purpley navy. Oh, Heather's trying to help me.

Speaker 1 Purpley.

Speaker 1 It's a navy blue.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, I have a green jacket on, right? Colorblind?

Speaker 2 I think I'm colorblind because this has happened twice.

Speaker 2 I'm not really colorblind,

Speaker 2 but I can't see colors.

Speaker 1 Right. So it doesn't mean you're blind.
You just, you're...

Speaker 1 You see weird colors.

Speaker 2 I think this is what people do. They go, I think they say super smart people are colorblind.

Speaker 1 I love when they put that connection.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they do.

Speaker 1 People with itchy feet have a photographic memory. Yeah.

Speaker 2 People with itchy skin are like geniuses. Okay, I want to jump in quickly, Dana, to get your quick thoughts.
I don't know if you caught it. Nikki Glazer, friend of the show.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Nikki Glazer, first of all, I am doing a tour, Dana. I'm going back on tour, so go to davidspade.com if you can.

Speaker 1 The dates are there. I saw them.

Speaker 2 The dates are there, going all over different cities. And I also do something with Nikki at Caesars next year.
We're doing a little mini residency. So I watch her on SNL, right?

Speaker 1 Yes. Sweet.

Speaker 2 She hosted. So Nikki

Speaker 2 had a great monologue. Very long.
They're good about comedians. They give them extra.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Because you know when you're there, like sometimes a host every week you have a new monologue. You're like, okay, you're in a new HBO show.
What could be your monologue? What's your monologue?

Speaker 1 It's kind of weird to do stand-up there, but some people are very.

Speaker 1 because it's like you work it out in clubs or theaters and it's just that's it's just a whole different it's

Speaker 2 it sounds crazy that it's not a comedy crowd it is but it's not a comedy club crowd no so plus you have to hide see you know it's not like a tight no no it's a great little room snl of course yeah it's an incredible room and they handed her a mic like they do with chappelle or whatever you know some people do stand up and just do the lavalier mic but you had an actual i like a mic i like when they they just push you out and go when i did my this boring story when i did my hosting the second time adam was in town so

Speaker 2 we were going to do the monologue together right so he was going to be a guy in the audience oh that's all right and and he was going to go why do you do this why why are you doing this damage

Speaker 2 he asks questions he keeps asking me questions all right so we rehearse it

Speaker 2 The morning of SNL, I get the rehearsal the morning, which is probably one in the afternoon. Yeah.
And they go, oh, Adam just flew back to LA.

Speaker 2 Waterboy opened this weekend, and it was such a fucking huge hit. He has to go back and do whatever, whatever.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, great. Oh, wait.

Speaker 2 Oh, so no monologue. They're like, no, sorry.
And I go,

Speaker 2 oh, and then Adam called me and said, I'm sorry. I said, I know, no, I get it.
Waterboy's a fucking smash, but

Speaker 1 he was just standing up. He was just in the audience.
He could have been dressed as Waterboy in the audience.

Speaker 2 I know, but I know.

Speaker 2 He had to go back for something important because he would have stayed.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 I had to go do stand-up, but I couldn't practice it. So I just, Lauren,

Speaker 2 why aren't you a stand-up?

Speaker 1 You don't need to practice. The crew will let you do it.

Speaker 2 And so,

Speaker 2 you know what happens, though, with Nikki, with me, with everybody? What people do is what I want to do, if I ever did that, stack the band behind me to laugh.

Speaker 2 Because if you look, sometimes they're like this. They're holding their trumpet like this.

Speaker 2 And you can hear some of the audience laugh,

Speaker 2 but you really only can go visually by two people.

Speaker 2 This guy and this girl over there.

Speaker 1 That guy. And they've just heard almost the identical monologue 90 minutes before.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Address.

Speaker 1 So they have to save some laughs, you know.

Speaker 2 And they've heard 500 monologues. And so

Speaker 2 they try to be pleasant, but you can catch them texting.

Speaker 2 No, you can catch them kind of like

Speaker 2 when I saw Nikki,

Speaker 2 it's the mic and it's just raw dogging. Just go.

Speaker 2 But the crowd likes her, you know, so she does some really good jokes.

Speaker 1 She dances outside the lines a little bit. I mean, I did some the topics that she was, she landed.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and some stuff I'd seen from when we're out together. And even those, because my act is a little all-rated, hers.

Speaker 2 steps into some different areas outside the box, but I like that and her crowd likes it.

Speaker 2 And by the the way, SNL, when you're waiting for tickets for a year, you might not be a thousand percent her crowd. You're just getting a host and a show.
You just want SNL.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And they're not seeing her work out the material.

Speaker 2 And they don't know she's going to be a little rougher on the edges. You know, she might.

Speaker 1 Right. They may not be just hyper-familiar with her in terms of like.

Speaker 2 Anyway, so overall, great monologue. A lot of jokes I liked.

Speaker 2 Then she did a sketch about

Speaker 2 I thought was funny about Jennifer Hudson's show

Speaker 2 where you walk in and you dance on the way in and how she gets anxiety from that. Yeah.
And now they have a drug for that.

Speaker 2 The Hudson Tunnel.

Speaker 1 The Hudson Tunnel and you've got to dance and people go.

Speaker 2 Is the Hudson Tunnel because that's a real thing in New York? We make a tunnel for you to go through. But is there something called the Hudson Tunnel? What are those tunnels?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a Hudson Tunnel into Manhattan.

Speaker 2 Take the Hudson. Yeah.
Yeah, but her. That's probably why they call it that.
That's a good idea.

Speaker 2 So she danced through that, and then she has anxiety, and then they take a pill for it.

Speaker 2 And that was a funny one she had a couple things that i thought really worked and we talked before that about doing a uh she had an idea to do she said do you care if i do a hollywood minute but it would be fun if i did that but i brought you on and i thought that would be i said i don't know we'd have to have really good jokes because that's a tough one if the because it's so rough that Sometimes the jokes have the visual elements where you get awoo.

Speaker 2 But jokes straight to camera with Nikki.

Speaker 2 I thought, oh, that's actually

Speaker 2 great.

Speaker 2 So I said, yeah, I said, yeah, let's work on that. So

Speaker 2 we started working on it. She got there and then it fell apart during the week.
Sadly, because

Speaker 2 I was on the road and I was at Houston. I did a show, then Tulsa, and then I was going to go straight from Tulsa.
The day of the show, which would have been scary, get there at like four

Speaker 2 and then just come to rehearsal. I think they rehearse update.
around dinner.

Speaker 1 You know, that show is moving at the speed of of Lord, and you know, things move and change and shuffle, and there's all these different inputs into something getting cut, or maybe we'll do it later.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, you know, what they already had update. They said, well, we already have update full.

Speaker 2 So it didn't work out, but one day we should do that because that was funny because Nikki would be the perfect person to do it with.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 She was going to say, I want to do this bit. And then Colin was going to say, isn't this spades bit? And she goes, he's going to come mentor me.
So then we start doing it together.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 That would have been fun. We'll do it.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 you know, that's that's one of your big bangers from SNL. So you coming out behind her, she's there going to do it.
Well, this guy, it's always fun to have it be a surprise.

Speaker 1 SNL, like, it's David's fan.

Speaker 2 It's, yeah, it's a good SNL situation.

Speaker 2 So she did a lot of good sketches. She,

Speaker 2 I thought she did a great job. I think she was happy with it.
She said she liked it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. She's a really good sketch player and comedic actress, besides being a stand-up.

Speaker 1 She handled herself.

Speaker 2 And she got to sing, she can sing in real time.

Speaker 1 She was singing and that sister-brother kind of karaoke thing where they're kind of a little too friendly with each other. You know, that one was funny.
That was up top.

Speaker 2 They rode the bull, which was fucking full bananas. Like, I like the kind that are just nuts like that.

Speaker 1 I like that. When it went into like an outer space,

Speaker 2 it's like so nuts.

Speaker 1 With our straight normal. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there were some really good sketches on that show.

Speaker 2 And we would have had her on, but it would have, it would air like a week later, you know, so it's not right after. But we will get some thoughts from her down the road.
And what else?

Speaker 2 What was your weekend, Danny? You want to tell me about anything exciting?

Speaker 1 I saw a donkey. Oh, I saw a donkey.

Speaker 2 And on your farm or somewhere in the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 At the Beverly Center?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I was just trying to, you know, work out and stuff. I was taking hikes up mountains.

Speaker 1 Oh, you were a walkie out for a walk, yeah. Hiking up mountains.
I do little thing. I just try to keep it together.

Speaker 2 I say I go hiking when literally I'm just walking, but I want to sound more L.A. But you actually hike because you're strong.

Speaker 1 Well, I like being in an oxygen debt. I like the feeling of it.

Speaker 1 So if I go up a... If I hike, I'm rolling like this and then there's a really 14-degree hill for about three minutes around here, then you're doing what I call redlining.

Speaker 1 Like your pulse is so high and you're sweating that by the, you really, by the time you get to the top, you have to kind of go down on your, you put your hands on your knees.

Speaker 1 So I like going to that, that.

Speaker 1 And then I feel very reluctant. I feel like I'm appreciative a little bit.

Speaker 2 I know from the movie called Running Man with Glenn Powell, which is a remake of Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I thought I might do a remake where it's called Walking Man.

Speaker 2 And they go, for $1 billion, you have to walk 8,000 steps a day.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, I think I could do it.

Speaker 1 Instead of running, man, it should be called trying to walk, man.

Speaker 2 It should be called

Speaker 2 this bullshit about 10,000 steps is more than you think, but let's see if you can do it for 30 days straight. And if you just said it right now, I probably could not.
Well, 10,000 steps.

Speaker 2 Any life, it's hard.

Speaker 1 10,000 steps is kind of made up, but people love the metrics.

Speaker 2 It is a good number.

Speaker 2 You know what it did when I heard about the step counter?

Speaker 2 Aside from, you know, bragging about it when I hit like 5,000, But I

Speaker 2 it made me realize, oh, I get 10,000 a day. I just thought that.
And then you look at your step counter, I go, oh, I got 3,400 a day. And I go, I'm that far off just in a regular day.

Speaker 2 And I realize I'm in LA. I drive everywhere.
So it made me get off my keister and say, oh,

Speaker 2 it takes a lot to get to 10,000. You have to pull over.
Like if you have a life, you're driving here, you have a meeting, you go home, you have to read, you have to watch this, or you have to do this.

Speaker 2 So I'm sedentary a lot of the days, so I got to get up.

Speaker 1 That's good. I mean, I would, they call it the thing, they call it hit,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 high-interval training. And so, once in a while, like say you're at the Beverly Center, go on the stairwell and just go up three flights of stairs.

Speaker 1 Once in a while, for a couple minutes, get a little, get your heart rate up and breathe a little hard, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 2 I call it rot, R-O-T.

Speaker 2 Just sit and rot all day.

Speaker 1 I call it D

Speaker 1 C

Speaker 1 D I. David can't do it.

Speaker 1 D C D A. David can't do anything.

Speaker 1 Oh, the A. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So that's something that's out there in the ether.

Speaker 1 High intensity

Speaker 1 is good to do once in a while. I know.
You just do it so you have more life force. And, you know, look at us on this podcast.
Look at our energy. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 Look at us. We're grinding.
We're doing a straight hour of the toughest thing you could do. They say this, other than swimming podcasting, is the second hardest on all of your body parts.

Speaker 1 Right. Well, I don't have a chair.
I'm just in a low, deep squat.

Speaker 1 This is just a fake thing attaches to my back.

Speaker 2 To your shoulders.

Speaker 1 Attached to my shoulders. That looks like I'm in a seat, but I'm in a dense squat.

Speaker 1 Do you mind if I take a selfie right now? This is nostalgia.

Speaker 2 Oh, you want to take? Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I see what you're doing.

Speaker 2 Get me in my purple sweater. We do have guests today.
We have our old friend Mikey Myers.

Speaker 2 You know him from Shrek.

Speaker 1 From Wayne.

Speaker 2 Austin Powers. Three monster hits, of course, among many others.
Sprockets. And

Speaker 2 his brother Paul. We're going to talk about the Beatles.
We're going to talk about John Candy.

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Speaker 2 And so, I'm going to give you four people I wrote down that I know you do impressions of, and then you're going to put them in a scenario. Last week, it was getting pulled over.

Speaker 2 It could be that, it could be anything you want. So, I'm going to give you ready, okay,

Speaker 2 Johnny Carson,

Speaker 1 Johnny Carson.

Speaker 2 Johnny Carson.

Speaker 2 Jim Fallon.

Speaker 1 I do them, kind of. Okay.

Speaker 2 You got to get him in there somewhere.

Speaker 1 Paul McCartney.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 one of my favorites, Senator Kennedy.

Speaker 2 Why they're all hanging out together, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But you figure it out.

Speaker 2 You have 10 minutes to prep.

Speaker 1 No, 10 minutes. Okay,

Speaker 1 I'm going to do them again

Speaker 1 driving around and getting pulled over.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's a good scenario.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I guess I need a sound effect from you, maybe.

Speaker 2 Did you not hear the pull it over, please?

Speaker 1 By the way, I'm doing, I'm Senator Kennedy.

Speaker 2 Okay, just the siren.

Speaker 3 Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

Speaker 1 Can I see your license and registration? My words, not yours. Please roll down the window.
I need a sound effect.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, sorry, officer. What seems to be the problem? The problem is, the way I say it

Speaker 1 is I estimate you were going in excess of 120 miles an hour. Your speed, not mine.

Speaker 1 Well, sorry, officer, I didn't know that. This is a new Corvette.
Maybe I was a bit lead-footed. Oh,

Speaker 1 who is the gentleman next to you? He looks familiar.

Speaker 1 Well, my name's Paul McCartney. I was in a band called The Beatles, you know.
The Beatles, I remember Frankie Avalon. Was he one of the band members in the Beatles? My words, not yours.

Speaker 1 No, Frankie was sort of a beach boy sort of guy.

Speaker 1 But we were the Beatles and we would plonk.

Speaker 1 When you say plonk, is that some kind of agricultural reference? What do you mean, plonk?

Speaker 1 Well, John and I would look at each other with guitars and we'd start plonking away, you know. Yeah.
And that's how we came up with Abbey Road. True story.

Speaker 1 Now, I don't remember anything called Abbey Road.

Speaker 1 I remember the Christmas album, a Perry Como. You ever heard that? Now, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 Good, clean fun. Good, clean fun.
Who's in the back seat?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Now, excuse me, you have a passenger back there?

Speaker 1 What's your name? Oh, that's Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, it's Jimmy Fallon.
I go on the show a lot. Jimmy, say hello.
This is a crazy. Crazy.
He's a sinner, John Kennedy.

Speaker 1 He's a highway patrolman. It's totally weird.
It's totally crazy. That's right.
I do do this. So does Donald Trump.
We sometimes moonlight

Speaker 1 as a highway patrolman. You got a problem with that? No, Polly Carney is saying this is crazy.

Speaker 1 Johnny Garson,

Speaker 1 he's not even alive. He's in heaven.
Yang, yang, yang.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 It was good. Okay.
So what we had there was

Speaker 2 you had all four people

Speaker 2 in a situation. I thought you did a great job.

Speaker 1 Believe it or not, it was

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Speaker 1 All right, let's bring our guests not mine. All right, now we have a guest coming up.

Speaker 2 There we go. And then

Speaker 2 let's zoom them in here. And I'm sure it'll be bumpy for a second, but we'll get it.

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Speaker 3 i wore a t-shirt in honor of oh

Speaker 3 you might notice this is a custom t-shirt the ringo is in a different order

Speaker 2 now oh it's usually george he's here oh i hear i hear my hand oh my god i can oh my God.

Speaker 1 This is BBC One. Come in.

Speaker 2 Come in, they say. Babe, they say.

Speaker 3 Okay, so you still.

Speaker 1 Yes, you're there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Second day hair.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 1 Michael.

Speaker 5 I was going to wear

Speaker 5 Tronto May Beliefs hat as well.

Speaker 1 You can always call that Audible. We have no rules, obviously.

Speaker 2 We have pushes Canada more than almost anyone. You do a good job.
You must be like a hero.

Speaker 5 Well, you know what?

Speaker 5 it's when he attacked us that was rough you know hurt our feelings we love americans oh good yeah i think i still

Speaker 1 like canada i didn't know i didn't like them but i guess i was no no it's it's no we had a weird we had a guest on recently who kind of knows donald trump like talks to him he said that i'm paraphrasing the guy donald trump wakes up every day and just sees if it's someone he's mad at someone he'll just mess with them so i said so when he said, well, we'll make Canada our 51st day, he was joking.

Speaker 1 That's what he said. Of course he had to go.
It didn't go well, I'll tell you that. But

Speaker 1 Trump's a little, you know, you don't go, is he serious? Because then I started thinking, well, my wife's from Canada. We do flow together nicely.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. All my important people are Canada.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's madness.

Speaker 2 We have a very important announcement.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 2 It's your brother's shirt, and there's a difference in the order.

Speaker 1 John College.

Speaker 1 We got these.

Speaker 1 So why the Ringo Before George?

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is interesting.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's what we call a whim.
It was a whim. It was me not remembering how the sequence went and feeling very pro-Ringo at the time.
And we had somebody. We had a friend.

Speaker 3 This is based on an international jet set design. That's the name of the company.
And they had George third. And I know that he's the third songwriter in the band.
And that's why he's third.

Speaker 3 But I was feeling so pro-Ringo that I had the shirts commissioned. Mike has one somewhere in storage.

Speaker 5 I think it was. It's not in the storage.
It's just it didn't make it down to New York yet.

Speaker 3 I guess that's what I meant. You're storing it somewhere else.

Speaker 1 It's easy with the storage accusation.

Speaker 5 It's in Provo, Utah, and it's all very hush-hush.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very quiet. Something with a data center, Elon Musk.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 It doesn't matter. It's all good.

Speaker 3 It's a strictly need to know.

Speaker 1 But I would get back to Beetle Nerd for a second. Paul and Ringo had their own special relationship as the rhythm section.
So

Speaker 1 I always wanted to,

Speaker 1 and you guys could relate to this: back to the Beatles. 1965, my dad was an ex-Army guy.
So he would literally give us crew cuts, me and my three older brothers. There are four of us.

Speaker 1 There's three of you guys.

Speaker 1 And I always wanted to have kind of beetly, messy hair around 1965.

Speaker 1 So, and obviously Paul kind of as well. That's not, it's, it's disoriented.
But you, you, that's not a hair piece. That's your actual hair, because it is amazing.

Speaker 5 Who? Mine or Paul's?

Speaker 1 Well, your hair is just very.

Speaker 2 Your hair looks cool. Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, that's my hair. It's military.

Speaker 2 Mike always had good hair, even back on the show. I was quietly dressing.
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 5 It's great as it stays. That's my theory.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 As long as it's not.

Speaker 3 Mike, how do you feel about me telling the secrets of your childhood haircuts like because mike was the guy who if he didn't like the barber in the family haircut he would storm out and say i'm gonna go get my own haircut

Speaker 3 and we were like you could do that

Speaker 5 and i had the money to do it that was it

Speaker 1 how old were you when you said when did you get shot i did tv commercials and i oh really yeah

Speaker 1 were you cute I was cute.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 Mike was very cute. But can I just say that, Were You Cute? That you just, the reading of that was maybe the creepiest reading of Were You Cute?

Speaker 1 Adorable. There was an undertone I didn't want to mention.
It comes out once in a while. I don't know what it means.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to go there.

Speaker 2 No, but Mike, I learned that when I was in an airplane, when you say to a baby, oh my God, you're so cute. You have to say it like that.
You can't go, oh my God, you're good looking.

Speaker 1 Yes. No.

Speaker 1 Okay, just go

Speaker 5 to the seat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It is all in the.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 5 I'm just going to get that Coca-Cola.

Speaker 1 Get a Coca-Cola.

Speaker 1 I want to do one thing before we get in the Beatles anyway, which is Paul wrote a book.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's true. Paul wrote a book about John Candy.
Do you want to tell that journey of where you wrote the book and then what happened with the documentary? There it is. Yeah.
John Candy,

Speaker 1 a life and comedy.

Speaker 3 Well, the story of me writing that book, thank you very much for mentioning it, Dana.

Speaker 3 The story of me writing that book is that I had written a book about the Canadian sketch legends, The Kids in the Hall.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that was published by a company called House of a Nancy Press. And they really liked the book.
And they said, you know, we want you to do another book. And I wanted to do like a sketch comedy book.

Speaker 3 And then my editor actually said, a guy named Doug Richman, he said, if you do it about just John Candy from Second City, you could also get to talk about all those cool movies he made.

Speaker 3 And I was like, dude, that's my next book.

Speaker 3 And I spent spent three and a half years sort of, you know, searching out Steve Martin, Dan Aykroyd, Catherine O'Hara, pretty much everybody who you need to talk to, and people that you didn't know you needed to talk to, like people who worked on the shows, people who worked in the crews, and people who wrote some of the scenes for SCTV that you don't hear their names all the time.

Speaker 3 And it was just, they all had stories about John. And I put together this idea of who John Candy was and why we still love him like 30 years ago.

Speaker 5 Why do we miss him?

Speaker 1 We miss him, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we miss him. He might be one of the most most universally liked performers.

Speaker 2 Literally, I have never heard one negative thing about him.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 5 He was very nice to me.

Speaker 1 So you wrote this book, which I'm reading, by the way, and I'm loving it because for me, being in the world I'm in, I went up through stand-up, but Mike went through, you know, different second city and all that.

Speaker 1 So it's very interesting how through John Candy, you go, you're really getting into the nitty-gritty details, which I have to say, it is different reading this book than the documentary that is out that is great, that weirdly came out.

Speaker 1 And I remember talking to Colin Hanks and going, you know, Paul Myers is doing a book about, you know, John Candy. And he went, huh? And he walked away.
No, I made that up. But that can be great.

Speaker 1 But this book is so detailed and so experiential as far as the grease paint and the food and everything. I'm just really enjoying it.
So great job.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you. You know, when I was writing the book, I knew that they were the Candy family who I consulted before I even started doing that.
It's Jennifer, Chris, and the mother, Rose,

Speaker 3 and, you know, John's widow, Rose. And they are great people.
And I contacted Jennifer and I said, I want to do this book. This is three years ago.
I want to do this book about John Candy.

Speaker 3 I'm going to be respectful to your dad, who's a hero of mine. I wrote about this Kids in the Hall, and I'm familiar with the world of Second City through my brother.

Speaker 3 And she said, oh, we know who you are. We think you're going to do a great job, but we are making a film of our own.
So, I hope you don't mind.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 But we're going to make our own movie. And I said, Oh, cool.
And at that point, Colin Hanks wasn't involved. Um, and then I kept following their progress, but I didn't know where they were.

Speaker 3 And then we announced about a year ago, October 7th was our release date for John Candy, a life and comedy. Thank you.
And

Speaker 3 I've got about two months by Paul Myers. Yes, House of Financy Press.
You know, it's available everywhere.

Speaker 3 And then about somewhere in that process, about two months later, there was an announcement that they were premiering their film.

Speaker 3 Ryan Reynolds produced, Colin Hanks directed, I Like Me, and it was going to be on Amazon three days after our book comes out.

Speaker 3 And you might think that's like a bad timing, but I think it's the best timing.

Speaker 3 It's like, because now everyone's seeing the pictures of John Candy, and a generation that maybe didn't even know the genius of John Candy is now conversant to him to the point where they're going to want to read.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not a

Speaker 3 great. And Ryan reached out to me too afterwards, and he said, let's do an event together.
So we're on the same team.

Speaker 1 We're all on Team Candy. Yeah, and I do think that, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's not like it's another biography about John Candy. They can work together.

Speaker 1 And the awareness now, it usually comes in threes, but it is interesting historically where all of a sudden everyone goes, John Candy, you know.

Speaker 1 And I only knew him through his movies and Second City and that, but it's his journey. What did you, I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 Obviously, his kindness and his all that is there. What was the other surprises about your investigation, sort of, or your immersive thing of

Speaker 1 finding out who this guy was?

Speaker 3 I was surprised to learn, and I guess it made sense, that he was a great actor first before he even wanted to be a comic or comedian.

Speaker 3 He'd started on the stage in Toronto, and he'd been his idols were people like Charles Lawton. You would never think that, you know, but and Jackie Gleason, of course.
So he loved comedy.

Speaker 3 He was a huge fan of the Dick Van Dyke show and things like that.

Speaker 3 But he really wanted to do dramatic arts and if you think about it the um i'm going to sound like an egghead here but the emotional intelligence that he brought to his roles even a big broad character like ox from stripes he brought that certain actorly sense of this isn't just a guy making a joke this is this is somebody who has a life you know and it doesn't have to show you the life it's just there and he presents it and i don't know nothing about acting but i know that that he seemed like he had something going on there.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And that confirmed by people like Oliver Stone, who said when he put him in JFK, remember

Speaker 3 JFK.

Speaker 1 And it was a very serious role.

Speaker 3 And Candy's commitment to getting the New Orleans accent and working on actually portraying Dean Andrews Jr.,

Speaker 3 Oliver Stone said, this guy could do anything. This guy should be.

Speaker 3 He kind of predicted that he would be on the Academy Awards best actor list at some point. Sadly, he passed away before having a chance to really do that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 it was uh 1994 so we were all in the show were we all on the show or you were done dana by the time yeah i i

Speaker 1 was still on just left mike was i think mike was mike are you still there 94

Speaker 2 uh shit because i mean i i was of course

Speaker 2 hit through those movies from you know uncle buck to even blues brothers it's always fun to see movies with all like buddies you can tell and he's like the orange whip orange whip orange whip

Speaker 2 but just bringing when you throw him anything, can't stop watching him. You just know if this guy says yes to this movie, I don't care what size the part is.
That's a guy.

Speaker 2 And then you just grow to say, Oh, this guy, I have to see what he does. So that was a fun for me.
Never saw him, though.

Speaker 1 He almost hosted SNL once, but he didn't. He almost, there was rumors he was going to come in and host SNL, but well, he almost joined the cast.

Speaker 3 And Andrew, at Andrew Alexander at Second City, said,

Speaker 3 I'll pay you anything to not join the

Speaker 3 they've been losing. They lost Aykroyd and Gilda to SNL.
And this is the Second City stage, right? So before SCTV ever went on the air, they had started rate.

Speaker 3 Lauren had started raiding the cast, which is, obviously, you would if you're Lorne Michaels, get the best

Speaker 1 available on that.

Speaker 3 And Second City didn't have a TV show yet. And the whole reason for SCTV was as a way to

Speaker 3 stop from hemorrhaging talent. And they ended up making their own version of it.

Speaker 3 And you can see in the book, I just want to say Dan Aykroyd is a great connective tissue in this book because not only did, you know, John Candy first audition for Second City Stage because of Dan Aykroyd, Aykroyd and Valerie Bronfield pushed him into auditioning.

Speaker 3 He gets picked up, sent to Chicago to work with Bill Murray

Speaker 3 and learn comedy ropes with a young Bill Murray. And then

Speaker 3 he gets... And then Aykroyd puts him in the Blues Brothers.
They were in 1941 together, the Steven Spielberg comedy.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, The Great outdoors, and

Speaker 3 it's just like all through it. And then Aykroyd wrote the most amazing eulogy at John's Los Angeles funeral.

Speaker 3 And that is why when I went to Dan Aykroyd after writing this book and having these great stories, I said, there's no one else I want to have to write the foreword but Dan Aykroyd. And he just did it.

Speaker 1 I'm reading the foreword going, who wrote this? It's so poetic. And then I finally, oh, Dan Aykroyd.

Speaker 1 You know, a minute ago, before we had technical difficulties, Mike, you had an intersection.

Speaker 5 I just want to hear that for a second oh yeah mike mike tell the great story about you and john candy there's only there's only two people that i've uh ever um waited outside a stage door for one was lily tom tomlin and the other one was uh john candy

Speaker 5 and uh john came out and i said oh john i'm a big fan i want to do what you do and he said you should join the second city workshops and told me where it was and all that stuff and uh tim kazarinsky was there and he was like super super positive and helpful.

Speaker 5 So I went and took the Second City workshops after seeing him. And then after Wayne's World, I went up to Toronto to visit my family.
And I was at Wayne Gretzky's restaurant.

Speaker 5 Couldn't be more Canadian than that. And across the way is John Candy.
Sorry, John Candy. And I was like, holy shit, he's coming over.
I said it's a joke to my friend. And he was.

Speaker 5 And he came over and gave me a big hug. And so, so happy for a Scarborough boy to do so well.

Speaker 5 And congratulations he's just so incredibly gracious and fantastic and it meant that actually meant more to me than than a lot of things that happened during that really exciting time of of Wayne's World you know it's always surreal and whenever people

Speaker 1 you know pass the torch or like you must have people come up to you mike and they you've and you saw them and something and you know it's it's very nice if it means something to some young performer you know the only thing i say to people is someone at a hocus store, this woman, I'm in the groundlings, and I said, the only thing I say, it's not profound at all.

Speaker 1 I just say, just work on yourself. Don't listen to who's making it or anybody else.
All you can do is try to be better. It's pretty obvious.
He's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Because it's easy to get caught up in the drama and neurosis and unfairness of show business and the pressure. I still talk about that.
Yeah, Spade and I are.

Speaker 3 Well, we'll talk later.

Speaker 1 But anyway,

Speaker 1 so yeah, you said

Speaker 1 the book, John Candy, a Life and Comedy. And

Speaker 1 boy, Uncle Buck, Plane Trains and Automobiles with Steve Martin.

Speaker 2 That was such a, that one hits hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's perfect.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's such, it was so great. James, James Hughes, the son of John Hughes, talked to me about just the relationship that his father, John Hughes, had with John Candy.

Speaker 3 And when you realize that the two families would vacation together and they're both from like, you know, Hughes is from Chicago, where he's a hockey fan, and they have snowy winters.

Speaker 3 And John, of course, is from Toronto, where they have snowy winters in hockey. And they had a lot in common beyond that.
And then they both moved to Brentwood around the same time.

Speaker 3 And so they were both adjusting to sort of being outsiders in Hollywood, but they were both at the peak of their careers.

Speaker 3 So when he wrote Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, Hughes, he really understood who John Kennedy was as the lead. And he kind of put a lot of truth into it.

Speaker 3 And there's that great speech, what we call the I like me scene, where John, John, his character, Del Griffith, finally erupts at Steve Martin and says, you know, I like me. My wife likes me.

Speaker 3 My kids like me.

Speaker 3 And it's, you know, my customers like me and I am who I am and I'm not changing. And it's like, it could be John Candy talking.

Speaker 3 And it's, and that's one of those great moments like De Niro and Scorsese, you know, where you have the two of them together. I said Scorsese.

Speaker 1 Sorry. I would

Speaker 3 busting myself for no reason. Nobody was going to bust me.
And I just went and did that.

Speaker 1 Mike knows all about

Speaker 2 Sese

Speaker 1 reading through your book and mentioning some of it to my wife. And then she just said, just casually, it's not something that hasn't been talked about before.

Speaker 1 But when you read the book, you go, what the hell is it with Canada with this low population, with this massive

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame comedians?

Speaker 2 80% of Canada.

Speaker 1 It's kind of crazy and all coalescing in this same time.

Speaker 1 You know, it's sort of mind-blowing.

Speaker 1 And then the sensibility of SCTV did seem quintessentially Canadian, or there's something about that show for an American watching it and just going, holy shit, there's just a frequency they're in that is not American, but man, was it funny?

Speaker 5 And it's not English either.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 5 It's somewhere in between. We're an observer nation.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because we don't have, I mean, we have an identity. Actually, the kids today in Canada have way more sense of themselves than we did growing up.

Speaker 1 And what would you describe that identity as?

Speaker 5 It's

Speaker 1 well, you have a lot of creative icons, and Lorne Michaels have emerged over, at least in the arts,

Speaker 1 and also musicians.

Speaker 1 But I think of the nicest country I've ever been in is Canada. As far as the people treating me, I just, I was freaky.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they love both of you guys up there. But can I just say,

Speaker 3 I'd like to to take the question a little bit and say that I have talked to a lot of, because I did the Kids in the Hall book last and Kids in the Hall and Mike, and Mike and Dan Aykroyd and Catherine O'Harry and Eugene Levy.

Speaker 3 All these people have shown a generation and two generations and three generations what it means

Speaker 3 to be funny on the world stage, but also to be quintessentially Canadian while you're doing it.

Speaker 3 And then what happened was a lot of these people, this happened in a lot of areas with the YouTube generation. There's a lot of people that are just making comedy.

Speaker 3 They don't even think beyond the borders of the internet. So they accidentally make something that's regional and specific for Canadians.
So they have their own heroes.

Speaker 3 And they never, we never used to, we used to get validation from outside sources and we still do, but.

Speaker 3 But, you know, just like the Beatles had to go around the world, but they still kept their Liverpool thing.

Speaker 3 And I think that, I think that's what's going on in contemporary Canada is we've got a whole, I say we,

Speaker 3 I don't live there, but I just spent a lot of time there recently.

Speaker 3 We, I found that in Calgary, people just had their own thing and they would love to export it and they do, but they're really not thinking about, not all thinking about taking it away.

Speaker 5 I mean, I love Canada and if I'd stayed in Canada, I'd be fine and all that stuff. But I really did want to come to America.
You know what I mean? Because that's the center of the center.

Speaker 5 Or I wanted to be in England and I was in both places. I went to England.
to be in part of the English comedy thing. And I think that's kind of, but it also just, I knew one thing.

Speaker 5 I could probably be a hockey player because I'm from Canada.

Speaker 3 And I could probably be in comedy.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean? One or the other? Possible. One or the other.
Well, you've seen it happen.

Speaker 5 I know that we can do that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It seemed considered both, Mike?

Speaker 2 Were you thought when they were kids, were you taught, or just, was the mindset America's inferior to Canada or better or the same?

Speaker 2 Like, were you saying, I should, I really want to make it in America? Or were they thought, America's not where you want to be? That's...

Speaker 5 No, I would say, I'd say, I think the world recognizes that American show business is the best in the world. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 And that's why, you know, even on Wayne's World, you know, we had a Dutch camera guy and Czech clapper loader and like everybody was from everywhere else. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And it really is the, in terms of entertainment.

Speaker 5 You know, sure.

Speaker 5 I mean, they say that the Star Wars program brought down the Soviet Union, you know, SDI, but I think it was the movie Star Wars more than anything where they went, holy shit, you have enough story power and enough economy power to make a whole other universe?

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? That's better than our universe.

Speaker 3 You know what, you know what's interesting about that story, too, is that you mentioned Star Wars. And what happened was, you know, America is the show, the show, right?

Speaker 3 And that's what happened with, you know,

Speaker 3 all the people who go to Lauren takes the show and creates, Lauren Michaels creates SNL in New York City.

Speaker 3 And he always tells people like the kids in the hall, learn how to have your show play in Indianapolis. You know, learn how to, you know, it's not just about the borders where you are.

Speaker 3 It's about everyone seeing it in all the platforms, right?

Speaker 3 But when Star Wars started, interesting thing because there's an animation program at Sheridan College in Toronto that they helped create Industrial Light and Magic.

Speaker 3 And so they drained all the talent from Sheridan College and created this thing in Marin County. And it was initially staffed by like, I don't know the percentages, but around 60% Canadian.

Speaker 3 I didn't know that. And it's again, the thing is, come to the show, bring the show to the world.
And the Beatles came to the show. You know, the Beatles wanted to be on Ed Solomon.

Speaker 3 They conquered Britain, but they hadn't conquered America.

Speaker 5 The American show business is just the best in the world. And, you know, even my mom, when she saw Wayne's World, she said, oh, that Dane is very good, isn't he?

Speaker 1 Oh, she was

Speaker 1 funny that way. She was funny.

Speaker 5 She was like, it's just Americans. They have it, don't they? Just Americans.

Speaker 1 Not all.

Speaker 1 Well, you got Canada also Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey.
Yeah. You know, he's fantastic.
Yeah. Exploded.

Speaker 3 Norm McDonald. D.

Speaker 1 Norm McDonald. So the real thing I'm from Canada.
D. Norm McDonald.
T-H-E-E. There is no other Norm McDonald.
God rest his soul. I mean, his

Speaker 1 ad hoc. So anyway.

Speaker 2 What about Great Outdoors? That's that a John Candy?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, John Candy and Ben Ackroy, two-handers, they say.
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 And it was so, anyone who watches that from Canada will see that that's what we call the cottage, you know, which you would call cabin life, you know.

Speaker 3 And it's, it's totally like Southern Ontario kind of setting, but it's actually set in California. But, you know, that's what.

Speaker 3 And so what you did in Wayne's World, Mike, you made Aurora, Illinois be a basically a stand-in for Scarborough, Ontario, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, but then it's all

Speaker 5 the North American suburbs are all the same. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And heavy metal is all the same everywhere. Like you could, you know, you see kids in Argentina dressed like Orweningarth, Wayne you know what I mean? The

Speaker 5 heavy metal culture, that kind of thing.

Speaker 5 But, you know, Penelope did a great job too,

Speaker 5 just creating an authentic world for that movie.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because she knew the terrorist.

Speaker 1 Well, we had via, of course, Mike, the creator,

Speaker 1 you know, Stan Makitas, you know, a lot of stuff from your childhood, but it's all variations on a theme. Everyone, and, you know, I only had my own little theory

Speaker 1 was just that the two guys, you live with your, we live with our parents. We have an AMC Pacer.
We're nowhere. We have no real money or anything.
And we're just the happiest people.

Speaker 1 And my family, too, I had the brothers and a sister. We were, we would make rituals out of stuff.
You know, we

Speaker 1 everything would be a game or we'd be watching a Boris Karloff movie, all-night movies, and you have to run to the mailbox and come back. It's stuff like you guys did, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that's what makes Wayne's World just mean fun, you know, because they're having fun almost all the time. Besides,

Speaker 1 I don't know who was trying to steal your love interest, Roblo, the first one.

Speaker 1 Besides that, go ahead. But as brothers, just for a second, in Canada, there's a rumor that you guys were rough and tumble.
Like you threw Mike out in the snow one day or something.

Speaker 1 I mean, I had all kinds of stuff like that.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. I mean, we

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 5 was it like the first week of first

Speaker 5 year sari ain't live and we were at the rivaly and we had a fist fight remember that

Speaker 1 yeah i i i i

Speaker 5 as as as as as was happens i can't remember why on a birthday we often fought it would often it'd be like the scottish people would just i love you

Speaker 3 you know what i mean it may have been whether the buzzcocks were better than the sex pistols or something like that like it really something that really doesn't matter now but but at the time it's like it was very fast Perhaps alcohol was involved.

Speaker 5 Alcohol was involved.

Speaker 1 Here's where did anyone get someone in a headlock and the guy in the headlock said, cut it out, cut it out.

Speaker 1 Did it go to that level?

Speaker 5 Oh, Peter used to do that. My brother Peter used to do Spitzuck.
You know, that thing or the thing.

Speaker 1 That's four or five.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, where flags. You remember flags?

Speaker 3 Almost gets to your head.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I was a bottom-up

Speaker 3 on your stomach.

Speaker 5 And then the last one was Japan, which was wham.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just

Speaker 1 people with not a lot of money, it's cold, and you're inside, and it's inside Sunday afternoon. Yeah, you like bounce out.

Speaker 3 I once dragged Mike around by his uh pulling his ankles, and his head hit the side of a counter, and you got a small cut on your head. And I thought I'd killed you.

Speaker 5 And I was like, And I remember thinking

Speaker 5 you were like, What the hell, what the hell? And I was like, Jesus, is it raining in here? And it was my blood.

Speaker 5 I looked like a wrestler.

Speaker 3 Is it raining like the shiny in here? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 And then, see, what I love is my reaction.

Speaker 3 My reaction to having thought I'd killed my brother is: I got on my little 10-speed bike and I ran, I rode to the end of the street, hid in a park for two hours, and thought, I guess the statue of limitations is up.

Speaker 3 I can come home now. You know, it was like, I don't understand why I thought that was the solution if I really had killed him.

Speaker 1 Oh, just make a great

Speaker 1 job.

Speaker 1 Ah, but we were great. Yeah, we did.
Oh, we had a lot. Well, I don't know if I had fights.
I just got beat up a lot, but it was quick. You know, I was

Speaker 1 pint-size,

Speaker 1 you know, and three older brothers. But mostly, you know, mostly we just had a lot of fun.
My brother Brad, the, you know, he fixed this old machine where you slid a thing like it was a bowling alley.

Speaker 1 And we did get a bumper pool table. And then we would just play.
And we were left alone. It was pre-micromanaging parenting.
Obviously, Obviously, no one knew where you were.

Speaker 1 No helmets, you know, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Mike?

Speaker 5 Londarts, right?

Speaker 5 Illegal.

Speaker 5 Imagine Land Darts now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, jarts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We played with darts, and I threw it, and it went like that, and it just hit my brother inside his thigh where it was sticking out.

Speaker 2 Darts and jarts should be illegal still.

Speaker 5 They should be or should not be.

Speaker 2 They should be. I think they were pretty, I mean, jarts, jarts, a few kids in the neighborhood died from jarts.

Speaker 1 All right. So here, just as a background here, so I just thought for myself, I thought, God,

Speaker 1 every time we talk about the Beatles, I love it. And I've been on Paul Myers' podcast.
The official name or where you get it is Paul Myers podcast.

Speaker 3 The Record Store Day podcast with Paul Myers. It's sponsored by Record Store Day, but it's on every week of the year.

Speaker 1 Thank you for the okay. So, well, we went on that.
And I realized, you know, of course, with Mike over the years, you know, the Beatles and the Clash.

Speaker 3 You know, he has other other that punk plane he does beatle fanatic and then when i meet him i can recognize one and then you were crazy into the beatles so i thought i called mike and i we had the best time though yeah no when you were on our show by the way i pimped you to just talk about paul mccartney and i think the promise i made to you was because i know i'm sensitive to comedians doing freebies on other people i said you won't have to do material you don't have to do material just come on and talk about the beatles don't do it and music and that's all we want you to do and that fred armiston's been on the show for the same reason and and i knew that you got it because music was such a big you know chopping broccoli you know like you knew music

Speaker 1 and that's why i it wasn't that sophisticated but that's his let it be i don't mind i i could do paul this poll now today i could do him all day long you know i just i'm doing him older but i never can get tired of oh that the question thing at the end yeah i get a bit older but uh so anyway so I called Mike and just said, do you want to come on with Paul?

Speaker 1 Because I just love talking about the Beatles. So that was the idea.
And then now we're here. And so let's talk about the Beatles.

Speaker 3 I think it took us five seconds to say yes, by the way.

Speaker 1 We'll do it again. But so anyway, as a way to start off, because

Speaker 1 the reason we talk about the Beatles is because we want to celebrate them, I think. Why are you talking about the Beatles again? And we come up with what album, whatever.

Speaker 1 Okay, so here's the first one I'll do. I do sometimes: better melody,

Speaker 1 and I love her, or she's leaving home.

Speaker 5 She's leaving home for me.

Speaker 3 Do you want to take this one?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I agree. I think, I think, I think so.

Speaker 1 She's leaving home is maybe underrated only because we hear Let It Be and Hey Jude and a lot of different songs a lot out in the world,

Speaker 1 Super Bowl or in Canada, you know.

Speaker 5 But she's your favorite melody though? My favorite melody is Martha My Dear.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good.

Speaker 3 Another McCartney.

Speaker 1 I think Michael McKean

Speaker 1 might have said that was the best beatle song. So too.

Speaker 1 It's like almost a little Mozart deep.

Speaker 3 It's got chamber pop.

Speaker 3 It could have been played in a Victorian sitting room. Yeah.
It could have been like on a spin-it piano.

Speaker 3 I want to get back to She's Leaving Home before we move on to that, though, because She's Leaving Home does something that McCartney, he was the adventurous one most of the time with the melodies.

Speaker 3 And I think John was pushing the envelope with chords and production. But

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 She's Leaving Home does this Friday morning.

Speaker 3 And then there's a counterpoint with the strings, like the

Speaker 3 and they're all like, it's like two swans or eagles or something. And that is the most exciting thing with McCartney when he does that.

Speaker 3 And I think also he's telling a story in that song that is more literal than most of his stories, you know, because the I love Paul McCartney, but a lot of times it's definitely stream of consciousness to the point where what the hell is he talking about?

Speaker 3 I mean, one of my favorite songs is Getting Closer from Wings later album, Back to the Egg.

Speaker 3 And he, he, um, he talks about My Salamander and Gotta Beware of Snipers in the middle of a song that's a happy song about driving.

Speaker 1 What about I am Walrus?

Speaker 5 I am the Walrus, though. I mean, oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 See, I am the Walrus is John's fantastic.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 that's one of those songs that shouldn't exist and does exist. And I still would say it's not even the

Speaker 1 2025 hasn't caught up to it.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 Good point. And you think the lyrics are gibberish, but the hole is greater than some of the parts.

Speaker 1 Yellow Man and Custard dripping from a dead dog's eye. It's like, I don't need to know,

Speaker 1 try to figure that out. I'm just feeling.

Speaker 3 That man spoke for my generation with that line.

Speaker 3 I think who can.

Speaker 5 that song owes more to the beats, don't you think? The beat poets?

Speaker 5 Yes. That to me is more.
But I'll tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 Non-sequiturs.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think beat poetry helped enable that idea of words being

Speaker 3 less literal. But John actually says he wrote that song because some egghead critic had written about how it's smart and how there's several layers working.

Speaker 3 And he says, now, who knows if it's Liverpool just teasing, but he said that he wrote that song, uh, and the Walrus as a kind of a dare to see if anyone would take it seriously.

Speaker 3 Well, one thing he was kind of aware that he was pushing when you think about the Beatles.

Speaker 1 This is a more macro question, but it's sort of like you got the first part, you know, like I'm a walrus, and you're like, Okay, and sometimes I listen and I go, Okay, I know where he's going, but how did he come while he was sitting in an English girl?

Speaker 1 He goes all the way, and this,

Speaker 1 as good as the main, I don't know words, what the main part is, that is also, yeah, yeah, and it's a little bit like she's leaving home again.

Speaker 1 Is I assume that Lennon wrote the melody when he does the refrain, we gave a best of a or influenced it, right? Yeah, because it's his, it's hard, you know.

Speaker 3 You, I don't know, because they did actually help each other a lot. Like, because you know, the famous story about Hey, Jude is he

Speaker 3 wrote that song, for instance, for yeah, that shoulder line. He wrote it for Julian Lennon.
It was called Hey Jules, and he says, I'm changing the movement you need is on your shoulder.

Speaker 3 And John said, You bloody won't, You bloody won't change it, you know? And so they were helping each other that way.

Speaker 3 So I think maybe John on I'm the Walrus might have been thinking, almost predicting what Paul would do. Because he goes like, I am me and you are me.

Speaker 1 And it's like, don't, don't, don't. But then all of a sudden, sitting in an English card.

Speaker 3 And it's like, like, Paul would put the, how do I say this? Twee.

Speaker 3 But it's not twee in a bad way, but it's what we love about McCartney, about Martha My Dear is that it's a little more dainty, you know, where the other parts are almost heavy metal.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, oh, totally. I always wonder about that.
Yeah, well, that's fine.

Speaker 3 I wonder if they were finishing each other's thoughts at that point.

Speaker 5 Well, let's talk about across the universe, though.

Speaker 1 I've been able to talk about that for all day.

Speaker 5 I think that's my favorite.

Speaker 5 And Paul, Dana, you guys may know better than me, but that's

Speaker 5 John, right? That's all John.

Speaker 1 That's John

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 And I believe, and I don't know the timing of it, but didn't he kind of play it for the other three in the

Speaker 1 Let It Be documentary

Speaker 1 at one point?

Speaker 1 And they're all sitting there listening. So I wonder if he sort of went off and finished it himself.
But I believe that's all John, and it's John's

Speaker 1 one of his favorite lyrics.

Speaker 5 The thing, too, where he

Speaker 5 hangs on, what do they call it? Like with a pedal bass where you play the same, you hang on the same note.

Speaker 3 Like Endear Prudence,

Speaker 5 he tends to do that.

Speaker 5 Paul goes up and down.

Speaker 3 John hangs on one note right and things move around him well what they do is he moves he moves notes inside like so it's essentially the same chord all the way through but then there's a melody like uh like in dear prudence where it goes like dang dang dang dang but the bass is slightly moving but it's the same dang dang dang dang dear prudence and the guitar is playing that

Speaker 3 dang ding dang dang all the way through it and it becomes um hypnotic because you're kind of i'm sure psychedelics were involved but they were tripping on that like sort of a raga you know, like create a repeating thing that makes you not remember where you are, and then it works, it works more hypnotically.

Speaker 1 The lyrics of Across the Universe always got me, you know.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I feel like that's oh, yeah, I know, I feel like that's what it would be if you actually went across the universe.

Speaker 5 I mean, I know that sounds really corny, but good point, but like that's one of those ones where I, if I listen to that on headphones by myself, I do get a little,

Speaker 5 I feel the coldness of space, and it's like

Speaker 5 you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's yeah, because just pain across the universe with that melody, it's it's it's it's it's profound, you know, and it's empty too.

Speaker 5 It's a little

Speaker 5 cold. Tell me if I'm right, it's cold, it's it's not a warm production, right? Yeah,

Speaker 3 it's a stark production, yeah. And then there's a Phil Spectre version where they added the kids' choir going like, oh,

Speaker 3 and I actually prefer the, there's a version that was on one of the anthologies where it's

Speaker 1 pretty much spray. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And you remember on the demo tape,

Speaker 3 he wanted to get this little rhythm, like it's like a chicka, chicka, chicka, chicka underneath it. And so he started saying, Sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy.

Speaker 3 And sugar plum fairy was kind of the engine for him of what the rhythm of the song was going to be. I mean, these guys at that time were like allowed to do this.
They were allowed to just dream.

Speaker 3 And, you know, they went to Rishikesh to study with the Maharishi, and they ended up writing like 18 songs each, Paul and John, and I think George too.

Speaker 3 But, and, and a lot of the songs that came out later, like Jealous Guy by John Lennon, was actually started in Reshikesh when they were studying with the Maharishi, you know, and Sexy Sadie, of course, is actually about it.

Speaker 1 I often, you know, just because of the Let It Be documentary and seeing Paul, when Paul, we interviewed Paul, whoops, and he goes, I thought I was a bit bossy, you know,

Speaker 1 with the others, but I did point out to him, I said, You were so enthusiastically playing on everyone else's song.

Speaker 1 Like, if it was John's song, or

Speaker 1 okay, let me help you, you know?

Speaker 1 And so, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I lost my train of thought, but anyway, no, sexy Sadie. Sexy Sadie.

Speaker 5 But aren't we glad he was bossy if he was bossy?

Speaker 1 I've got him.

Speaker 1 I think he was a de facto producer, but if you can help me, this Paul can help me with that, perhaps. But he could sing all the harmony.
He had a greater range. He could play all the instruments.

Speaker 1 So he's kind of an arranger. That's why I was thinking of sexy Sadie because Lennon maybe wrote the chords on the guitar.
It's utterly Lennon.

Speaker 1 But the opening piano riff, the slight echo on it, and it's so broad and wide and bizarre. And Paul's playing that.
So I didn't know in that moment, does Paul kind of in terms of cadence or

Speaker 1 I'm not sure how he intersects? Like, obviously, dear prudence, we know at least until maybe Ringo plays the solo at the end. That's a controversy currently.
But we know Paul is playing the bass.

Speaker 1 That's what I wanted to tell Paul. John Lennon loved you.
I don't care what. You guys were only 29.

Speaker 1 John Lennon loved you because you can't write a song and have a guy come and go, here's the bass line, which I think is brilliant in Dear Prudence, and the drumming.

Speaker 1 And of course, you'll sing the harmony. So that's you discuss amongst yourself.
What do you say, Coffee Talk?

Speaker 3 Well, I just want to say this about Paul and John. So I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the relationship between Paul and John.

Speaker 3 There's this great book called Paul and John, A Love Story in Song by Ian Leslie.

Speaker 3 And it really, really explores the, to an almost homoerotic level, about how intensely they cared about each other's opinion of each other.

Speaker 3 And they, even when they were fighting, they were fighting in a lover's quarrel kind of way.

Speaker 5 Quality control.

Speaker 5 That's the whole thing. Everything, you know, it was

Speaker 1 so high about quality control.

Speaker 5 Like, is this going to be good enough to have the Beatles' name on it? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Exactly. And so, so in the movie Let It Be, you can sort of see in the get back version, you can really see that Paul at this point, you know, Brian Epstein has passed away, their manager.

Speaker 3 George Martin isn't involved in this session. So nobody's going to push the rock up the hill.
Paul looks at John and says, have you written songs for this? He goes, I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 3 You know, I'm thinking about doing it. And Paul's like rubbing his eyes going.

Speaker 3 We're doing this show because that was the thing.

Speaker 1 They were going to do that.

Speaker 3 That live show with all new material, which is such a crazy thing to try.

Speaker 3 But he says, you know, I just want you to, you know, have a voice in this.

Speaker 3 So he's so excited when they bring in I Dig a Pony and I've Got a Feeling.

Speaker 3 You can see, and Two of Us is a Paul song, but you can see John is feeling like it's about Linda, but it might be about him and John.

Speaker 3 You know, there's, it's kind of about the, because they stare at each other when they're singing it.

Speaker 3 And you really get a feeling that what Paul, what we're watching in that movie is Paul pushing everybody to the point where they're mad at him. Like George is like, stop pushing me.

Speaker 3 But he just wants the Beatles to have the Beatles again. And then within a year or two, of course, they do Abbey Road, but within a year, he's up in his farm.

Speaker 3 John, Paul's up in his farm in Scotland, crying his eyes out and not getting out of bed. And Linda says, You've got to do something.
And now he's the guy who needs to be pushed.

Speaker 3 And he writes, Maybe I'm amazed. You know, like, it's like,

Speaker 3 it's a beautiful to me. That's a beautiful, that's a movie right there.
I almost hope nobody makes it because I isn't there

Speaker 1 a part where George and Paul were kind of fighting, and because Paul was, you know, on go like, doo do, do, do, do, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 But then afterwards, I think George, they're kind of stopped rehearsing. And he's, George is asking Paul, what do you think, Paul? You know, I think it was

Speaker 1 about Here Comes the Son, or one of the Abbey Road, you know. So it's still in that moment.

Speaker 1 And I think I said this on your podcast, but the only because I love to discuss the Beatles, especially John and Paul's relationship.

Speaker 1 There's no other band during that era that they ever could have been in where they were not, sometimes not sure they were the quote best guy in the band right you know

Speaker 1 and there's no other band with the output of both of them they could have been they're absolutely the best guy in the band and so the miracle that they came together is almost divine or something yeah i mean think about while my guitar gently weeps or you think of george harrow that stuff later and you go something and you go here comes the sun if he if he was the hey guys wait up guy you know what i mean

Speaker 1 if that's the third place, he would have been

Speaker 5 like

Speaker 5 the guy in any other band in the universe. Miles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then

Speaker 3 the argument is the argument I was going to say that they always make about George is that he obviously had it, but he may have worked.

Speaker 3 three times as hard to get it because he knew he couldn't just put any old thing up. You know, he had to,

Speaker 3 he had to write, Here Comes the Sun. He had to write something.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 you mentioned earlier, Dana, that Paul, Paul's bass line on something, this is a guy who knows what he's playing on. Like, he knows this is a hot session.

Speaker 3 Like, so you know, the part where he goes, something in the way she goes, you hear Paul going, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

Speaker 3 Like, he's like, he's like, let me play. And he, but he wants to play to make the song.

Speaker 1 Was he actually inventing what you call a counter melody then at that time? He's playing bass in a way. Yeah, that's playing a counter melody.

Speaker 1 But that's a very skillful thing to do to not get in the way of the main melody, but to reinforce.

Speaker 3 He had an intuitive sense for that stuff, but he also absorbed a lot of, you know, I know a lot about McCartney lately because I've been reading all these books.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 3 he grew up listening to it in his home.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but when he plays piano, as I've seen it, he really doesn't do much with his left hand, right?

Speaker 5 Isn't he kind of ironically for him?

Speaker 3 Lady Madonna, he moves, Lady Madonna moves the left hand, but there's three styles of McCartney.

Speaker 5 But isn't it usually like single bass and then

Speaker 1 the melody?

Speaker 5 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Lennon, especially, lennon especially does that on piano so lennon will move the right hand chords more than the left or the bass chords the bass is the left hand yeah if people that's why it's so ironic that

Speaker 5 paul would write so many

Speaker 5 what would be the left hand on a piano

Speaker 5 parts for the for the

Speaker 5 for the songs you know what i mean

Speaker 3 yeah no that's a good way of looking at it well the left hand is the bass hand hey david david i feel like we're we're we're we're both we're all ram riding over here like david talk about the beatles Beatles.

Speaker 3 Like, what?

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Speaker 1 well i have questions and uh you know that's mostly yeah what i don't feel i don't i just fancy myself a fan of course but over time you're in that's interesting

Speaker 1 yeah um

Speaker 3 so no no it's true yeah i uh i i could like i just love the fact that there's so much there's always a new take on the beatles and there's always a new new bit of information you know here's my question

Speaker 1 so george harrison is

Speaker 1 singing the harmonies. First of all, it blows my mind that they, John and Paul can sing harmonies and the guy from the neighborhood can play guitar pretty well.

Speaker 1 And they're doing this boy, which is a staggeringly gorgeous song

Speaker 1 emotionally in every other way. And George is singing Perfect Harmony.
Now, George is playing guitar parts.

Speaker 1 for years on their songs and adding don't bother me or these songs that are kind of rudimentary compared to where he's he's going. Is that sort of a master's class?

Speaker 1 Because he's learning in real time that John and Paul are going to this different place that you know other major chord bands aren't doing.

Speaker 1 I mean, his leap forward,

Speaker 1 and it really started for me with why my guitar gently weeps.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then, of course, the two songs that are in the top 10 of all-time Beatles songs for Beatles fans, something, and Here Comes the Son.

Speaker 1 So, you think that he was in a master's class with these two geniuses, but he was a genius laying in wait? Kind of, how did George evolve into what he was? Or was it always there? Yeah,

Speaker 3 well, there's something that Mike might appreciate because you know how

Speaker 3 when we were kids, Mike, you know how Peter and Peter and I thought that

Speaker 3 we were the guys who were writing comedy, and you would be like, wait up, wait up, guys. You would go off and you'd go to the school.
You'd go to the schoolyard.

Speaker 3 You'd go to the schoolyard or the park near our house, and we'd find out we'd hear kids laughing.

Speaker 3 laughing and go they're laughing at mike like what's what's that about and and that i think if you now this is what we call an analogy because so george is george is not you know george is the hayweight up guy as mike was saying earlier and

Speaker 3 he goes but he also starts befriending bob dylan right like so he's going out and he's listening to the new album by the band and Clapton, yeah. And those guys are accepting him, you know, as

Speaker 3 a beatle. And he's just absorbing, he's absorbing the Beatles, but he's also absorbing everyone around him.
Yeah. And bringing it back in.

Speaker 3 And that's when he started bringing in the Indian music that he'd been listening to because it's like, here's what I'm finding out while you guys aren't letting me talk.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 And then what's the song that the Chemical Brothers sampled?

Speaker 5 Tomorrow Never Knows. Tomorrow Never Knows.
Who wrote that, Paul? Or Dana.

Speaker 3 That was John.

Speaker 1 That was John. I think it was primarily John.
Yeah, I think that's his melody.

Speaker 3 It was a lot of tape loops, but there's a lot of tape.

Speaker 5 I thought that was

Speaker 3 part of Stockhausen.

Speaker 5 I always thought that was George.

Speaker 1 No, the Sitar element was George, the mystical element.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the drone. There's like a tambora or something going.

Speaker 2 Well, if George is trying to play catch-up, what's Ringo doing this whole time?

Speaker 1 Ringo is just being a dome. He's a quiet genius.
He's the vibe. Ringo is getting paid.

Speaker 2 He's getting paid by the hour. He doesn't even get a chance of it.

Speaker 1 He's love. But watch him in Get Back, though, man.

Speaker 1 Get back. Oh, look at that.
That is something balloons. I love that.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, let's talk about Ringo for a second.
Like, was he any good?

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. Was he a good one?

Speaker 5 Secrets. That's what I think he is.

Speaker 3 He was a drummer who listened to the song.

Speaker 5 But hold up. Here's the other thing about.
So in olden days of comedy writing teams, there'd be somebody called a soup spoon.

Speaker 5 Right? Which is, it was a Yiddish term, but it came out to be soup spoon. And that they didn't cut in in carrots, they didn't put in beef, but they just stirred the pot,

Speaker 5 made sure that all the people were contributing, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I guess Sally in Dick Van Dyke show was the soup spoon.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Sally Rogers.

Speaker 5 Sally, right?

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I think he was the soup spoon. I think he was the guy that

Speaker 5 just kept it up, kept it light, and didn't let all the Liverpool attitudes

Speaker 5 have a fist fight.

Speaker 5 He's from Liverpool, but I mean, I think Liverpool people know how to not have other Liverpool people fight.

Speaker 1 I don't know where it I've asked any of you this, where he stylistically, you know,

Speaker 1 if you look at

Speaker 1 She Loves You, and he goes to the floor, Tom. He's not always traditional.
He can go on a 16th hi-hat and he'll do splashes.

Speaker 1 But a lot of times, you think a normal drummer would do a splash, and he'll just stay with the Tom and the snare. Or even in something, he's kind of just hitting the kick drum.

Speaker 1 And there's times, anyway, adapted to the songs, and you can't imagine anyone else playing those songs.

Speaker 3 Best example that always comes to mind is Ticket to Ride. Any other drummer, if they hear a thing, I'm gonna be sad, they'd be like,

Speaker 1 But Ringo goes, boom, blah, blah, blah, boom, boom.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he mixes it up. And come together, you know, come together is like, boom, ding, ticket, ding,

Speaker 3 like, he's like, he's not playing straight time, but he swings. He swings and he never plays over the words.
I don't know if you pay attention to that next time you're listening.

Speaker 5 Whereas Keith Moon would play.

Speaker 5 Keith Moon would play.

Speaker 5 Keith Moon played as if he was the lead singer, right?

Speaker 3 Well, Keith Moon would play anything that moved.

Speaker 1 Like he was falling off a cliff and trying to survive.

Speaker 5 But he never understood. Why is the drummer in the back? He never understood that, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but luckily, and luckily, he was playing against the bass.

Speaker 3 But luckily, he was playing with a bass player who overdrove the bass and a guitar player who just turned up past everybody and roger who was like swinging the mic and screaming and a beautiful scream but yeah so that was a band that was built on loud right built on loud but i want to stick with ringo for a second i just want to say that the thing i love about ringo is you see it in get back and when he's the song get back right yeah which is we all know that's a beautiful moment where paul's just playing the rhythm guitar on the bass and he's saying i've got something

Speaker 3 and then ringo's first attempt at it is just playing like

Speaker 3 and all of a sudden it's,

Speaker 3 and then you recognize the military shuffle that becomes like, oh, now it's get back. And that moment watching Ringo look out into space

Speaker 3 across the universe, if you will. And he's listening and he's listening.

Speaker 3 That's something you don't get from some of these, you know, like, you know, Fred Armiston has that character who does the drum technique. Yeah,

Speaker 1 how to dominate.

Speaker 3 How to dominate the jam.

Speaker 3 That's his catchphrase is, I will teach you how to dominate the jam. Now, anyone who knows this, like, you don't want to be dominating people.
You want to be listening and playing.

Speaker 3 That's the beautiful thing about Ringo. He was not dominating.
He was helping. And he laid back when he needed to lay back.

Speaker 3 You know, a day in the life is almost hardly any drums in a day in the life except

Speaker 1 like it's like...

Speaker 5 You called it a bag of marbles being dropped on the kit.

Speaker 1 Was that you? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It wasn't me.

Speaker 3 No, some people describe it as falling down the stairs.

Speaker 5 Falling down the stairs.

Speaker 2 Is that I read the news today, oh boy? And he goes,

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the cool word.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, exactly. A little, yes, a little, yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, like, it's not, it's almost to say, I'm Ringo. I'm still here, you know.
It's so cool.

Speaker 1 Loose toms are underrated. You know, Ringo didn't always feel a need to go,

Speaker 1 you know, and he could.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you heard this. It was always in the with the song.
What do they call it?

Speaker 5 You're a drummer, Dana, right?

Speaker 1 You're a drummer.

Speaker 5 Pat Boone Debbie Boone, right? You've heard that, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That's okay.

Speaker 5 Can it tuna? Pat Boone Debbie Boone.

Speaker 1 Can it tuna? Can it

Speaker 1 tuna?

Speaker 3 And then Stuart Copeland has one for Sting, but I can't say it on most television shows.

Speaker 1 It must be X-rated. This is a podcast.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he wrote on his Toms. He wrote, I can say this.
I mean, I'm sure there's no censorship here, but it was F F off U C

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 3 his four Toms.

Speaker 3 So when he was mad at Sting, he'd hear like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Stuart will verify verify that.

Speaker 1 They were at some event in Malibu, which I didn't go to, but I think Kevin Eaton told me that it was Ringo and Stuart Copeland together hanging out.

Speaker 1 And I just thought, two of the best. Yeah, because if you listen to Synchronicity 2, I guess, or something, it's just

Speaker 1 brilliant. I mean, those albums, the police is just bright and shiny.
And of course, Sting.

Speaker 5 Roxanne's still.

Speaker 5 So this is one of the things we were talking before.

Speaker 5 I don't have the musicologist thing that you guys have more of, but I have a, I love a good vibe.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And the thing about the Beatles is, so no matter what I've done or will ever do in my life, I aspire to

Speaker 5 the

Speaker 5 pure excitement.

Speaker 5 That is listening to the Beatles. And I think there's other things too that I've heard that give me pure excitement.
Like London Collins gives me pure excited. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Boy about town by the jam.

Speaker 5 Jimi Hendrix, you know, like on what's that?

Speaker 5 But there's one

Speaker 5 Jimi Hendrix that, oh, hey, hey, Joe, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's that's what it's called, right? Because I often get the titles wrong. Yeah.
Anyways, that song, just the shuffle of dun dun, you know, dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dum pa

Speaker 5 Just like pure excitement.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 I guess it's called polyrhythm.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 3 Well, how about on purple haze? Purple haze when there's that vibrant slap, so it goes down, down, down, down.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no one ever made the guitar sound like that. I guess he had really heavy hands and he played it upside down.
But how he got that sound big teeth and big teeth.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But it's also those chords that those crazy chords that go up and down, rhythm guitar player, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but um, you know, we came up with

Speaker 5 class-that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 There are things that are just pure excitement, and Paul used to have a term called Paul used to call it the pop shivers, you know, where you get like the yeah, yeah, you get a tingle, it's a tingle pop shiver, you get a tingle when a chord changes, when a chord changes from one to another, yeah, and you're like, whoa, we had one of the ones that uh my wife and I had, we were just watching, went to a movie, Secret Policeman's Other Ball.

Speaker 1 We weren't aware of Sting. We just saw a guy come out, really cool looking, the dyed blonde hair, and he's just with his guitar, and he sings and plays Roxanne.
And we both went, holy shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 So, yeah, Sting was quite a, and the clash. I always think of the clash, or I don't know who else, the Ramones, because you at your formative years was sort of the beginning of punk.

Speaker 1 And I guess the clash was your favorite band when you were like 15.

Speaker 5 They're still, I mean, the Beatles are my favorite because they're whatever, but because they have too much.

Speaker 5 Then it's the clash.

Speaker 5 Because it's just something that's there's another thing with the clash is

Speaker 5 they're cool. Do you know what I mean? Like just London Calling.

Speaker 1 Whenever that comes on, I'm on an XM radio and that comes on. I never switch it.
So that vibe of that is heavy.

Speaker 1 London Calling. I mean, it's just, it's, it's an army.
I don't know what the lyrics are about, but it's

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 it's not just a song, it's a movement, it's a movement, yeah, and it's perfect for that time. And that's the way,

Speaker 3 yeah, Joe Strummer, like London going, you know, it's like it's in, it's in, it's like, it's not casual, yeah, it's like a cry for

Speaker 5 that ring of the transient thing, the ice age is coming, the sun's in the moon.

Speaker 1 So, anyway, we, we, unfortunately, we could do this for two days straight, but we kind of have to wrap it up. Any last words?

Speaker 1 Paul Myers, Mike Myers.

Speaker 1 Let's take some time off. We would love to do this as a regular thing because I think people will love it.
And I love it. And I think that

Speaker 1 we could fill many more hours.

Speaker 2 More bands to delve into also.

Speaker 1 Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin.
That's true, too.

Speaker 3 Led Zeppelin. We can talk about Zeppelin.
We can also talk about wings specifically.

Speaker 1 That's a whole other conversation. Well, back to the A.

Speaker 1 Just certain solo paw songs are brilliant. And of course, you know, we could break down just the song,

Speaker 1 People Say I'm Crazy, Doing What I'm Doing. That's just those lyrics of that song.
Just like,

Speaker 3 can I say one stupid, like, almost a plug for my book again? John Candy, which beetle did John Candy work with?

Speaker 1 George.

Speaker 1 No? Yes. I just

Speaker 3 was it Hadley's films? There's a video for the Wilbury Twist.

Speaker 3 There's a song by the Wilbury's, Traveling Wilbury's, called The Wilbury Twist. And John Candy,

Speaker 3 I think he was filming Brewster's Millions at the time. And they had him come by the studio and just do a little

Speaker 1 curious. So you'll see that.
Go on Amazon under books. Paul Myers, John Candy, a Life and Comedy.
Download it and enjoy it. And we'll do this again.
It was so much fun.

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