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Speaker 5 A whole new ball game for the clichés universe. Troy Parra overperforming his XG.
Pre-emptive football chance. Norway's World Cup Grey Horses.
Dion Dublin partially settles the Diodora pass mystery.

Speaker 5 Eligible but unacceptable two-word, two-syllable club abbreviations in English football, Sean Deish's personal finances, false nine nostalgia, the fascinating intray for Sheffield Wednesday's administrators, and the Brazilian equivalent of Andy Townsend talking about the Foo Fighters.

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Speaker 5 Hello everyone and welcome to Football Clichés. I'm Adam Hurry.
This is the adjudication panel. And joining me, he's back from Turin.
It's Charlie Ecocher. How you doing? Very well, thank you.

Speaker 5 He's back from Madrid. It's David David Walker.
How are you doing? I'm quite tired, actually.

Speaker 7 Fair enough.

Speaker 5 And he's back from Istanbul. How are you doing, Nick Miller?

Speaker 7 Very well.

Speaker 8 Very well. It's a very on-brand holiday.

Speaker 5 All right, Alvaro Murata, shall we get going?

Speaker 5 The only player I could find that hit that Venn diagram. But before we get stuck into some esoteric football chat, let's just rewind a little bit to mid-August.

Speaker 5 Right next up, the ghost of Gerald Sid writes in, Dave, and says, with the talk about cricket being good for clichés content on Tuesday's pod, who would Adam have present cricket cliches?

Speaker 5 And who would he have on the panel? Well, before Lineker nips in and creates the rest is cricket anyway. Yeah, should we start an empire? Should we start branching out?

Speaker 9 I've long thought it could be a possibility, but I did the tennis clichés segment for Five Live earlier in the semester.

Speaker 9 Nick Miller, of course.

Speaker 7 Yeah, absolutely. It's all there for us.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Could you get 450 episodes of cricket clichés? I wouldn't put it past them. I think what we would do if we started out any other clichés is probably not do two a week.

Speaker 7 Yeah, enough and our late. Right.

Speaker 5 And with all that in mind, Nick Miller, Cricket Cliches, is coming. It's real.
Are you excited? I am very excited.

Speaker 8 Some nice judicious editing of that clip from a few months ago. It's good.

Speaker 5 Just left in the pertinent information, yes.

Speaker 8 Yes, Cricket Cliches is happening. We'll be recording the first episode this week.
And assuming it'll be, it is not a complete disaster, then you'll be able to hear it at the end of this week.

Speaker 5 That is the confidence I wanted to hear from you. Yeah, Nick Miller, Dave, is very much our link man for these two concepts, isn't he? He was the only man to bring the two worlds together, I think.

Speaker 5 Yeah, myself, you, Charlie, just not, as people will have realised when we have occasionally dipped our toe into the waters of cricket on this pod, we're not cricket literate enough to be involved.

Speaker 5 But Nick, he's the man for the job. I can't even attempt any sort of cricket-related banter, so I'm not even going to bother because it is happening.

Speaker 5 Nick is the link man, and when push came to shove, there was really only one man we could get to host it

Speaker 5 back with square leg for six the great the venerable daniel norcross is hopefully going to be presenting weekly episodes of cricket clichés throughout the ashes pilot episode pending and it's it's going to be brilliant the reception to this charlie has been really warming i don't want to talk about clichés empires really but i feel like this is going to be a nice acceptable little offshoot for the next six or seven weeks yeah it's a big moment is daniel wary of being in the sort of caroline Barker role?

Speaker 4 I mean, that was such a

Speaker 9 poison chalice hosting a pilot of a clichés podcast. So best of luck.

Speaker 5 Episode two in Adam's There.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 Adam decided, nah, I'll do it.

Speaker 7 I'm better.

Speaker 7 That's not what happened.

Speaker 5 Why would you say that?

Speaker 7 That's really annoying, actually.

Speaker 8 In this context, would I be the one launching a kind of aggressive takeover?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I guess you would.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But, you know, lessons will have been learned for football clichés.
Um, presumably, Nick, there is or isn't a cricket equivalent of Mezza Harland Dix.

Speaker 5 Uh, we've learned our lesson there, but uh, you thought of one anyway, yeah.

Speaker 8 So, the best I could come up with so far is Herbert Boland Hicks, which is flawed on

Speaker 8 some levels, uh, not least because Hicks isn't actually the name of the cricketer that I'm referring to.

Speaker 8 His name is Hick, right, but that but I suppose you could put an apostrophe in it to get around that.

Speaker 8 Nevertheless, if anyone does have anything better that kind of fits with the format, then you know we're all ears.

Speaker 8 And there is a place where you can submit that and indeed any other suggestions or nominations for content for the podcast.

Speaker 5 Yes, we have we've come prepared for this.

Speaker 5 If you want to get in touch and contribute to cricket cliches, go to cricket.football clichés.com and there is a there is a web submission form and you can attach media to it.

Speaker 5 So why haven't we got this for football cliches?

Speaker 7 Come in, sort that out for us.

Speaker 5 Imagine your dms the sort of the weight that would be lifted i'd miss it so much i'd feel so alone without that so i don't want a web submission form for football cliches actually a question that i've already been asked by a few people who i've told the news to is who's going to be the equivalent figure of Keys and Grey.

Speaker 5 And I've said, I've said that there doesn't necessarily have to be one. We are not, there's no edict.
It doesn't have to, you know, we don't have to do cricketers' names in things.

Speaker 5 But if those things, if those things come up organically and naturally, then so be it. Cricket's pretty short on blowhards, isn't it, Nick?

Speaker 7 Wow, you really don't know anything about cricket, do you?

Speaker 8 It is extremely high on blowhards.

Speaker 9 Have we ever dug into Keesy and cricket? Is there any, like, has he ever made reference to cricket? Like, I can't.

Speaker 9 Like, I can't imagine him not liking cricket, you know, because of all the traditions and everything.

Speaker 5 I'm putting a small amount of money on him, having never tweeted about it.

Speaker 9 Let's find out. I can't think of it, but I just wonder if it in his early days, when he was more of a generalist, whether he ever dabbled.

Speaker 8 There was in the 90s, early 90s, there was a guy called Charles Colville, who was a cricket presenter. He's kind of much more serious, I suppose, than Geezy.

Speaker 8 But you could have seen him go down that path, I think. Right.
If

Speaker 8 different decisions have been made at various points.

Speaker 9 Could easily have ended up in Doha. Yeah.

Speaker 5 August 23rd, 2011. Joining us in the studio in the next hour is legendary England cricket captain Mike Gatting.

Speaker 5 That was his talk sport days. Here's another random tweet for his talk sport days.
Thanks to Ray Wilkins for joining us. Tomorrow, do you have to be posh to Captain England's cricket team?

Speaker 5 Henlberg and saving football clubs.

Speaker 7 What a little agenda that is.

Speaker 9 God, I'd pay a lot to hear that in full. Nick, can I, as well, like as a subject suggestion, imagine this is me in that form submission.

Speaker 9 I'd love to get your guys' take on how and why it is that rugby seems to have become like, oh, like it's just for posh poshwankers, you know, and if, and like, I don't think anyone who's a big football fan would like, they'd be wary of tweeting about rugby.

Speaker 9 But cricket, which is kind of also for poshwankers, seems immune to that and is like, that's fine. You know, like, if someone tweeted, like, ah,

Speaker 9 I'm just going to sit down and listen to TMS and have a cup of tea, and it'd be like, yep, no problem with that.

Speaker 9 But if you were like on my way to Twitter's really excited singing in New Zealand, it'd be like, you wanker, like, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 7 Hate rugby. Like, it's really weird.

Speaker 9 They seem to have gone off in this divergent directions, even though they're both kind of posh boy sports.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think there is a slight, I don't know whether the stratification is quite the word, but historically, cricket was a sport for poshwankers, but also a very working-class sport, particularly in the north of England.

Speaker 8 And even, like, if you go back to even like early 1900s, Christ, hang on, I might be getting too far into the weeds for the football cliche's listeners here, but

Speaker 8 there was a stratification between the gentlemen and the players, where the gentlemen would be the posh boys, and the players would be working-class people.

Speaker 8 So, it does have, I think, it does have a slightly

Speaker 8 more of a kind of working class grounding than rugby does, but I'm speaking from a position of slight ignorance about rugby there, because I have just always hated it and assumed it was sport for posh wankers.

Speaker 8 So, you know.

Speaker 7 There you go.

Speaker 5 Right then, let's gently segue into the actual purpose of this podcast. Listener Sam gets in touch, Dave, and says it's Ash's time.

Speaker 5 So if you're going for another cross-sport players with names, vibes of cricketers, then how about Chris Wood, Josh Cullen, and Adam Wharton? They all stand out.

Speaker 5 Of the actual cricketers, Brendan Doggett sounds very a championship, and Will Jacks is an always full-named Bournemouth midfielder.

Speaker 5 I had a quick look through the England squad, Dave, and they all sound like Bournemouth players, and then in fact, at least nine of them sound like current or former England under-21 goalkeepers.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, it's a very Bournemouth-y England under-21-y squad.

Speaker 5 You've got your Ben Stokes is, obviously, Harry Brooke, Jacob Bethel, Zach Crawley, Will Jacks, as already advised, Ollie Pope, Matthew Potts, and Mark Wood, and Jamie Smith.

Speaker 5 They're all pure Bournemouth. Yeah, Bournemouth are just so ripe for this stuff.

Speaker 5 Just sort of, regardless of which sport you delve into, we often end up gravitating back towards the sort of random, vague canvas that Bournemouth allow you to paint with.

Speaker 5 A lot of marks at the end of the day. I saw that Ed Easton suggested that.
Can imagine Dan James'

Speaker 5 impressive sentry in Perth breaking a 115-year-old record held by the much esteemed Mark Travers. Now, Mark Travers could be crickety.

Speaker 5 I mean, he is crickety in its own right, but I sort of like to imagine he's actually called Mark Trevelyan, but known to all as Travers.

Speaker 7 Traves.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But yeah, definitely some crossover between football and cricket.
But it's time for the adjudication panel. Only one place to start from

Speaker 5 the tail end of the international break, and it's the Republic of Ireland. Still work to do, Charlie, for them, which I think is going under the radar slightly about

Speaker 5 the job they still have to do to qualify for the World Cup. But great scenes nonetheless.

Speaker 9 Yeah, no, I had the same thought. I was kind of like, oh, this, I just so want them to now qualify because otherwise,

Speaker 9 yeah, for this not to kind of go anywhere would be such a shame.

Speaker 5 Playoff defeat to Slovakia, yeah,

Speaker 9 just really, yeah, which kind of feels inevitable somehow.

Speaker 5 Still feels a little bit championship playoff semifinal pitch invasion at the moment.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, I got swept away.

Speaker 5 I mean, the excitement was everywhere.

Speaker 5 I mean, Opta analyst tweeted out, Nick, that Troy Parrott scored his five goals across the international break from 2.7 XG, which is exactly what I was thinking about as he wheeled away in celebration in Hungary.

Speaker 5 But the real highlight of Troy Parrott's week, and what a week he's having, by the way, was surely this.

Speaker 6 Parrot, I think, is on side.

Speaker 5 A completely tuneless gets his shot away, Dave, but nonetheless, really, really good. Yeah, it's um it's sort of the 80s big hair metal version of the uh of the gets the shot away, isn't it?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's a yeah, sort of bonjovy, maybe as well. Yeah, yeah, very bonjovy, yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 But yeah, Ireland still work to do there, but everyone thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 Over to England now, who of course secured qualification a while ago, but completed the set of 10 wins out of 10 games and zero goals conceded.

Speaker 5 Harry Kane at the double in Tirana against Albania, and this came from Bacon Sandwich 99 on Reddit, who heard this on the radio.

Speaker 12 You know, there's a long way from now until the World Cup, but I take as much care as I can of my body and avoid any injuries and then just go full throttle winter next summer.

Speaker 11 Yes, wrap that man Harry Kane in cotton wool will be the cry from many England fans after he scored the 77th and 78th goals for his country in England's 2-0 win away to Albania.

Speaker 5 Wrap that man Harry Kane in Cottonwool. Charlie, what tune would that even be too if you did cry it from the stands?

Speaker 9 I mean, to be fair, cry could be in the sort of less literal, more just, you know, the sort of refrain or the sentiment.

Speaker 9 Indeed.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, chant-wise.

Speaker 7 wrap that man in cotton wool wrap that man in cotton wool perfect it's perfect then when he gets injured where's your cotton wool where's your cotton wool

Speaker 5 from the from the rival fans you understand nick it it seems semi-absurd to to think of such sentiments being expressed in chants but you know if you think of things like you're not fit to referee or you're not fit to wear the shirt this isn't miles away as a sentiment so maybe fans should express the cotton wool requirement for certain players yeah i've always found You Are Not Fit to referee incredibly funny.

Speaker 8 It's kind of like an annoyed letter to a local parish

Speaker 8 in football chant form. Incredibly.

Speaker 7 It's so out of place.

Speaker 5 It would be, I suppose, the spin on it this time would be, please be fit to wear the shirt.

Speaker 5 But if anything, Dave, this would be a welcome kind of preemptive chant because football chants are so reactive.

Speaker 5 You know, you're getting sacked in the morning, you know, all that sort of stuff. You know, a chant that kind of preempts a crisis would be really good.

Speaker 5 Maybe football fans need to be a bit more proactive about this sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 Yeah, perhaps perhaps you could also go down the route of imploring, oh, I was going to say Thomas Tuchall, but I suppose you'd really, you'd want, who's the Bayan company?

Speaker 5 You'd really want company to wrap him up in Cottonwood, wouldn't you? So it'd be Vincent, wrap him up, Vincent, Vincent, wrap him up. Yeah, it's a very good point.
This is Bayan's job.

Speaker 9 You'd have to get to the games really early, like before team news is announced.

Speaker 7 And, you know, sort of. Training ground.

Speaker 7 Yeah, or at the training ground.

Speaker 9 Or on the odd occasion he's a sub, you're imploring the manager, like, don't bring him on. Like, please don't bring him on.
Just leave him on the bench.

Speaker 5 Just kidding him off after an hour would still be cotton wool, though, wouldn't it?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I guess you could do it at mid-game, just really hectoring the manager right from

Speaker 9 the Pokale action.

Speaker 7 The Pocal.

Speaker 5 I really hate the Pocal if we're going to get into that.

Speaker 5 Why is the German word for cup, Pocal?

Speaker 5 Not right. Elsewhere in World Cup qualifying, Chris writes in, Nick, and says, will Norway get the most dark horse chat ever before a tournament? Are they the dark horse front runners here?

Speaker 5 Do we think? Because they've been away for so long, they've got an insane big man, small man strike force of Sorloth and Ireland.

Speaker 8 Yeah, purely on a kind of rotational basis, it feels like most other similar sized countries have had a go at the dark horse mantle.

Speaker 5 It's good to have a breath of fresh air in the dark horse stakes, though, Charlie, isn't it? You want to, you know, Czech Republic have had their time. Croatia, probably not dark horses.

Speaker 5 I'm looking at the kind of, you know, already qualified sides. Norway, European-wise, are definitely in the shout for that.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I just wonder if they've got two sort of mainstream players for that. I mean, given they've got Haaland and Odegaard, who are both kind of Premier League superstars.
I don't know.

Speaker 9 I feel like that makes them a little bit.

Speaker 5 They're not riddled with quality, though, are they?

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 this is the thing. I think that the fact that most people could not name another Norwegian player, that bounces out the superstar.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think it's fine to have two superstars, no more. But I accept your point.
At what point can you have too many good players to be true dark horses? So I accept that.

Speaker 5 You you can't be unknowns either, Dave, can you? No. I mean, yeah, the presence of Odegaard, perhaps...
I see what you're saying, Charlie, but I think they are bang on for it, really.

Speaker 5 If you compare, just focus on Haaland alone. Having him is the equivalent of like people tipping Poland to do quite well because of Lewandowski or maybe Zlatan for Sweden.

Speaker 5 Just having a standout attacking player, a standout goalscorer is ripe for dark horses. What about Senegal?

Speaker 5 Because they haven't got a standout talisman, but they've they've got a squad full of really, really, really good players.

Speaker 9 See, I think that's.

Speaker 9 I think that's a purer form of it. I mean, obviously, often these things just become a bit ridiculous.
Like, Belgium seemed to continue to be kind of dark horses or

Speaker 9 the sort of hipster choice when it was like, they're not. They're incredibly mainstream now.
They've been knocking around for a while. But yeah, so like, I think they might be a kind of main.

Speaker 9 Norway could be the sort of mainstream dark horse, but actually, yes, it is more somewhat like Senegal, you know, for for the kind of purists.

Speaker 5 Extended dark horse chat in November. Wow.
Could we call Norway the grey horses? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 5 Yeah, sort of dark horse status pending. Yeah, that could well be.
Let's revisit a burning topic from the last couple of weeks. It comes from Ben Kisby.
Here we go.

Speaker 5 I had the pleasure of attending the Grocery Aid Sporting Lunch on Friday. It's our industry charity.
I've previously met Dion Dublin at the event, and I was hoping to see him again this year.

Speaker 5 As I walked into the post-lunch drinks, he was just finishing a conversation, so I leapt in to ask him the only thing I could in that moment.

Speaker 5 I'd had a few drinks, but he said the Deodora pass is one that isn't really on, but you try and make it anyway. That's the explanation for a Deodora pass.
Charlie,

Speaker 5 I can't remember what we suggested it might be, but surely that's along the right lines of what we thought it would be.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that sounds sounds it, yeah.

Speaker 5 So the spirit of it has been established, but what's the actual direct meaning? So Ben says, clearly I followed up with, but why a Deodora? His answer was simple.

Speaker 5 They were sponsored by them at Cambridge. I did some slightly drunk googling and couldn't find a time that Cambridge had their shirt either produced by or sponsored by Deodora.
He's getting HMRC'd.

Speaker 7 This is awful.

Speaker 5 Deion Dublin wore a Deodora shirt at Villa, Dave. And the AI consensus was that he wore Deodora boots, but not exclusively.
Anyway, he shook my hand and walked off.

Speaker 5 By the time I processed any follow-up questions, tracking him down felt outside the boundaries of social norms. Yeah, yeah, there's only so many times you can follow up with a question.

Speaker 5 Like, fair play for bringing this this up and having, I mean, said he had a few drinks, but having the courage to, Dutch or otherwise, to go and speak to Dion about this is great.

Speaker 5 But you can't really dig into the weeds with it. You kind of have to take his word at face value, don't you?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Sorry, Dion. Can I stop you there?

Speaker 9 Were we talking earlier about Deodora?

Speaker 5 He's never worn Deodora boots, Nick. I had a quick search for Getty Images and what a fun little search that was.

Speaker 5 He's worn chronologically Mizuno, Puma Kings, Reebok for years, presumably a deal, Adidas World Cups again, Nike Tiempos, Puma Kings again, and then in his, you know, really Twilight years, Adidas World Cups at the end and that's what he's worn in charity games ever since.

Speaker 5 So he's a boot journeyman.

Speaker 8 That kind of fits, I think, but and this has presented some answers but also raised questions as to

Speaker 8 where the Deodora thing comes in.

Speaker 5 I see what we need to happen here is someone else needs to ask him and we need to see if his story checks out.

Speaker 5 Does he give the same answer each time or was he just coming uh thinking about it off the top of his head?

Speaker 5 I thought that it was more likely to be that he was from an era when he was sort of maybe growing up or just getting into the game where Deodora had some sort of glamour attached to it sort of Italian 90 kind of Syria

Speaker 5 pomp days that he was kind of yeah that and it sounds quite playgroundy Charlie like it's it seems something that you know do you remember do you remember what people used to call the Deodora pass and the Peggy and then someone from a town six miles or go no we didn't call it that what are you on about

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

Speaker 9 he's about Wembley singles and all of that stuff.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly right. Right, time for footballers' names in things.

Speaker 5 A trio for you. First one comes from Oliver Hall.
He says, listen for the Manchester United legend, who is apparently going extinct here on New York City radio station, Wins92.3 FM.

Speaker 13 A new look at the global naming records website, NameCon, finds names that were popular in the 1950s and 70s are hardly being used now.

Speaker 13 Karen, because that's unfortunately turned into a derogatory reference for middle-aged white women. In fact, it was number one in the 60s and 70s, but has now dropped to 4,844th.

Speaker 13 Other names going extinct, Brenda, Gladys, Galvin, Roderick, Gary, Neville, and Dale.

Speaker 5 The best form of footballers names of things, completely incidental, completely

Speaker 5 out of context in a place where it shouldn't exist. Who's listening to Wynn's 92.3 FM? Oliver Hall's listening to it.
So what a joy that must have been to hear, Nick.

Speaker 8 It was one of those things where you kind of hope that whoever was writing that script is football, soccer, literate, and saw the Gary, saw the Neville, and thought, ah, here we go, here's an opportunity.

Speaker 5 Second one comes from Thomas Conway, who spotted a partner at Devon-based legal firm Tozers called Sue Halfyard.

Speaker 5 What a name. I didn't know that was a surname that existed.

Speaker 7 Halfyard?

Speaker 5 I mean, that's got to be the emphasis, right? Halfyard.

Speaker 7 Halfyard?

Speaker 9 Halfyard, yeah.

Speaker 5 Halfyard. It's not hyphenated, is it?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 7 We've got to go double-barreled.

Speaker 5 It's going to be great on a podcast in 10 years' time.

Speaker 7 Do this for me. I'll do anything.

Speaker 8 The son of Mr. Half and Miss Yard.

Speaker 9 And like their son, is it like, oh, well, we've got to go and find that. We've got to go and find little Half Yard.

Speaker 5 He's just hiding in one of those little pockets somewhere.

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly. Gets the shot away.

Speaker 5 Oh dear. Half yard.

Speaker 7 Half yard.

Speaker 5 Finally, this came from the Emerald Piper on Reddit, who was reading the Pro Wrestling Illustrated 1995 Top 500. And in at 227, Dave, was Diamond Tim Flowers.
Wow.

Speaker 5 Six foot tall, so well within the realms of being the man himself. Yeah, not a wrestler I've ever heard of, I must confess.
That is a real deep cut. Tim Flowers.

Speaker 5 He was the current international champion of West Coast Championship Wrestling. His body is scarred from his many cage match wars and has also competed in UWA, whatever that is.
On 95.

Speaker 9 Flowers very much in his pomp.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 9 I love the idea after a particularly sort of high-pressure bout, him talking about bottle loads in his post-match interview.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I can see Tim Flowers having the bottle for that. Next up, this came from Shrew123.
It's Lichtenstein versus Wales. Nia Jones on BBC Co.Comms.

Speaker 5 And I'm sure there's a little gasp of laughter after she says it.

Speaker 7 Takes on his man.

Speaker 5 Broadhead was sliding in.

Speaker 10 Well, that's better from Wales.

Speaker 10 And on the second attempt, it was cleared.

Speaker 7 Well, the tempo has been up.

Speaker 7 You couldn't wish for a better pair of balls to go across the front of the goal.

Speaker 7 Thomas.

Speaker 2 Jordan James.

Speaker 12 Well, the Welsh fans are on their feet now.

Speaker 2 Ampidou, James.

Speaker 5 Dave, she's 100% losing it behind the mic there,

Speaker 5 and rightly so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think that's not deliberate at all, is it? That's just happening.

Speaker 9 No, no, no.

Speaker 9 You can definitely hear

Speaker 9 the laughter of realization.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you can hear the beginnings of a sort of half-laugh, half-gasp as she realises what she's just said.

Speaker 5 Beyond the innuendo, it just made me think you don't really ever hear pair of balls during the game. But, you know, it's a perfectly plausible combination of situations to use it.
So, yeah.

Speaker 5 Pair of balls. Next up, Johnny Hall revisits another continuing strand of the football clichés podcast.
He says, My YouTube algorithm brought up Bolton Nil Manchester United 6th in February 1996.

Speaker 5 I'm a United fan for my sins, and my ears pricked up hearing the crowd noise after David Beckham's opener. Have a listen.
Yes, Spartan's problems have been really defensively.

Speaker 10 They've tended to self-destruct and they've got a defensive problem here. There's so much room for Giggs.
He's got three in red to his left. Giggs does it his own way.

Speaker 10 It's touched in by Beckham!

Speaker 5 It's definitely there, right, Charlie.

Speaker 7 That noise is definitely there.

Speaker 9 It is. I have to confess, it took a second time listening to hear it.
But yeah, then I definitely could.

Speaker 5 So I've checked various sources of this video, Nick. Admittedly, they are all from the same place.

Speaker 5 But it strikes me that someone's put that BBC sound effect over the top of the actual crowd noise from this game. Why would they do that?

Speaker 8 I like the idea that it might have been sort of piped in in the stadium. Someone's just got their finger of a button somewhere over the tannoi and just kind of, oh.

Speaker 5 really got to get the timing right on that oh yeah big time yeah god whoever recorded this um really has contributed to football audio history but that's it for part one uh we'll be back very shortly

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Speaker 5 And by the way, on Thursday's episode is going to be listeners Mezert Harlan Dicks. We want to hear about your obscure footballing fascinations and irritations.
Just get in touch in all sorts of ways.

Speaker 5 Twitter, Blue Sky, Instagram, or you can just email in at football cliches at gmail.com. Ideally, a 30-second voice note to accompany your foibles and irritations as well.
That would be fantastic.

Speaker 5 Get in touch. Next.
Right, next up, this is from Ben Wright, who was listening to BBC Radio 2's The Jazz Show. And here's Mark DeClive Lowe waxing lyrical about Japanese audiences.

Speaker 4 And a great sound system. That's one thing in Japan.
The sound is always going to be on point. And that's something I really appreciate both as a performer and a listener.

Speaker 4 For Japanese audiences, they're super committed to the listening experience and quite often really educated in the music and its history and lineage.

Speaker 5 Now, I wasn't sure if this was a welcome addition, Nick, to the ervor of knowledgeable crowds, but educated Japanese jazz audiences. This does work because it's not an easy music to grasp.

Speaker 5 You need to know when to start clicking your fingers and stuff.

Speaker 9 Big jazz man yourself, Adam?

Speaker 7 You know, with all the clicking in there.

Speaker 7 You're really on it.

Speaker 5 You're on me today for some reason.

Speaker 8 I don't know where to go from that. But yeah, I don't know.
Can you be a casual... I suppose you can be a casual jazzman.

Speaker 9 Well, yeah, I guess, like, compared to, say, like, Ronnie Scott's, is that a knowledgeable crowd? I don't know. Like, in some ways, maybe, but it's also quite touristy.

Speaker 9 Like, Like I've been there and I'm

Speaker 9 absolutely not a jazz act. It's like where you go if you're like, oh, you know, it's very mainstream.
So that's probably not that knowledgeable a crowd, I would imagine.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if I could just return to my original point, Dave, and be treated with more respect about it.

Speaker 5 Jazz is a harder concept to grasp, you know, it's sort of structurally. And a knowledgeable crowd is going to know when to appreciate it, both, you know, audibly and emotionally.

Speaker 5 So you're going to need a knowledgeable crowd for jazz as opposed to a more mainstream form of music. You do get when you go to jazz clubs, it's not clicking that you hear, it's applaud.

Speaker 5 Like people clap at the right moment after, like, the solos when they know that the solo's coming to an end or the movement or whatever is coming to an end.

Speaker 5 It's the timing of that that is very specific, isn't it? You can't do it after the solo's finished, can you? It's a bit snookery, yeah, it is a bit snookery.

Speaker 8 The very moment that they need snookers, and there's this one, it's a similar thing with classical music: everyone stops playing, but you're not supposed to applaud at that point. Wow.

Speaker 8 And the first time I went to one of these, I committed the faux pile, started clapping. Well, no one else was.

Speaker 5 Use that yob. We've got it.

Speaker 7 Talk on quiet boys. Where are you?

Speaker 5 There we go. This does work.
Thanks to Ben Ryan for that one. This next one comes from Dave O'Leary, who was listening to Don Hutchison on Five Live.

Speaker 14 So hopefully, I mentioned the likes of Mick Arthur and Gary Sweet and Luton.

Speaker 14 Hopefully, there's guys at Chef Wedd and there's guys in the inside of the training ground and the management and coaching staff that can look after the players that are playing.

Speaker 5 Dave, how do you feel about sort of chef wed just being chucked in on a radio chat? There was no need for that. There was no need for chef wed there, was there? No, it's a weird one.

Speaker 5 I never heard it said out loud before, I don't think. You know, you occasionally will see it written down as that.
Even then, I'm not sure if I love it as an abbreviation.

Speaker 5 I guess the, you know, is it similar to Knott's Forest, Nick?

Speaker 8 Study.

Speaker 8 You know how that upsets us? Yeah. The other thing that annoyed me about this is when you see that written down, it's weds.
It's not wed. It's Chef Weds.

Speaker 8 So if you are going to say something out loud that should really only be written down, then, oh, come on.

Speaker 9 I mean, Adam, you mentioned before about like, you know, in the school playground having different names.

Speaker 9 It feels quite school playground-y to me, which in my head is the last time I heard like man you and that sort of thing, which, again, like, you couldn't say that on a broadcast, could you?

Speaker 9 It would sound absurd.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I definitely weaned myself off man you.

Speaker 5 It does feel quite childlike. It definitely feels playground-ash.
Is it because it's a bit dismissive?

Speaker 5 It's not, it's not, it was never designed to be pejorative, but it was a little bit too breezy for a team that may not be your team, I guess.

Speaker 5 I guess it sort of rolls off the tongue a little bit better than, I mean, can you, you can't imagine anyone saying West Ham you to Newcastle you.

Speaker 9 Did people, I sort of remember people saying like man C, which sounds absurd, but if you're saying man you, then man C kind of follows.

Speaker 5 But it's as if like it's almost like it stems from, you know, at school how it would be like, you know, Adam H or Nick M.

Speaker 7 Like it's that sort of, it's that kind of way of talking and identifying people. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But Dave O'Leary's question here, Nick, was that it didn't really agree with me, Don Hutchison's chef wed.

Speaker 5 It got me thinking, are there any acceptable two-word, two-syllable abbreviations that are okay, that aren't United-related? Man, you, chef you, coal you, etc. And even those are bad.

Speaker 5 I can't find a valid one from the 92, actually, that aren't related to a United.

Speaker 8 I went through the four divisions and the national leagues, and I couldn't find one.

Speaker 8 The closest I got was West Brom, which I didn't really think entered into the spirit of it because it's the shortening of the place rather than the football note.

Speaker 5 Exactly. You've got to have the suffix in there somehow, which I guess limits matters.

Speaker 5 So, essentially, Charlie, there are no valid non-united equivalents, but there are plenty of candidates throughout the other 92 that could be done like this.

Speaker 5 And we want to assess how weird some of these sound. Let's kick you off with Chris Powell.

Speaker 7 I'm just talking about Chris Powell.

Speaker 7 Sounds like it's Chris Powell.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think.

Speaker 9 I mean, I just think they all sound really odd.

Speaker 7 Darb, Dow.

Speaker 9 Darb Cow. No, can't say that.

Speaker 7 Wick Wand.

Speaker 5 Wig Wand really rolls off the tongue, Dave. I like Wick Wand.
No, it's terrible.

Speaker 5 With West Brom, you'd have to go West Brom Alb, I suppose, wouldn't you?

Speaker 9 Yeah, West Bromage Alb.

Speaker 5 Cole U, I think, is used. I think Colchester supporters are actually.
They use that, I think. Plim Arg.

Speaker 5 Wig AF.

Speaker 7 Late or Black Row. Black Row sounds good.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Crew Owl, yeah. Crew fans will talk about Crew Alex.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you wouldn't need to shorten it any further. Axe Stan could definitely be a thing, Nick.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that probably is a thing.

Speaker 5 Yeah. No, it's not.
No, it isn't. Come on.

Speaker 5 Ax Stan. Ax Stan.
Have you been to Acting Sally on Only Scrands yet, Dave?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 8 Just you're leaning very much back on your Football League podcast heritage there.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Someone's going to prove one of us right, anyway.

Speaker 5 Next up, this came from Benjamin Livingston, Charlie, who was reading the Times' Fame and Fortune interview. And this time it's with Sean Deish, who was talking all things personal finance.

Speaker 5 One re and the whole thing, by the way, I've never read an interview so vividly in the interviewee's voice and this whole thing. It's not particularly explosive and why would it be?

Speaker 5 It's about his personal finances. But the first answer, I think, is the most dicey thing.
First question is, how much is in your wallet?

Speaker 5 And he says, I always carry some cash, maybe a hundred quid or a hundred and fifty, which I'll use for cabs when I'm in London. I like the old school way of actually using cash to pay for things.

Speaker 5 I like to tick people in cash rather than through their companies. Like, there's a definite hint of, well, we used to just do this in cash.
What was wrong with cash?

Speaker 9 I mean, this is a real thing. Like, I've noticed it with my father-in-law.

Speaker 9 He always has cash and is one that pays for things in cash.

Speaker 7 And it's kind of like, I don't know, it's like a, and there are lots of people who do that.

Speaker 9 It's like a tradition. And there's also a hangover that some people have of, I mean, less so now, but, you know, it used to be, oh, you know, they might not accept card sort of thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's like, you know, before it became completely ubiquitous. Like, to be fair, there was a point at which there was a bit of a kind of like, oh, they might, they might not.
Now, everywhere just does.

Speaker 5 Outside of Ubers, cabs are probably the only place now that you're still not 100% sure if they're going to accept card, are they?

Speaker 5 It's just the most deflating thing at 3am when you're trying it on the last leg of your journey. Do you take cards? No.

Speaker 5 And you know you're going to, you have to get more out at the petrol station than you need for the cab i've read a few of these sorts of interviews nick the answer to the question they're usually sort of semi-famous people and the answer to the question how much cash you have in wallet is always about 100 or 150.

Speaker 5 i think imagine walking around with 150 quid in your wallet all the time i actually can't get my head around that 20 for me max

Speaker 8 is this in the the card ubiquity era because you limit yourself before that as well

Speaker 5 i don't know the answers to that to be honest but i i i guess i would still be stunned to find a 20 in my wallet now You're absolutely right, but what a conversation this has turned out to be.

Speaker 5 But yeah, please read this interview. It's in the Times.
It's just incredibly diced the whole way through. You can really hear his voice.

Speaker 5 Mike Bailey gets in touch next, Charlie, and says, I was listening again to episode 256 where a discussion was had about old-fashioned centre-forwards, prompting the question, at what point weren't centre-forwards old-fashioned?

Speaker 5 I'm studying for a master's degree in sport history.

Speaker 7 Listen, fair play.

Speaker 5 And I delved into the archives and discovered the term has been used regularly since the turn of the 1900s.

Speaker 5 For example, the Daily Citizen back in December 1912 describes Fulker's James Robertson as a remnant of the old-fashioned centre-forward school.

Speaker 5 His game is not to hover within a given radius of the opposition goal and wait for scoring chances, but to make them.

Speaker 7 Wow.

Speaker 5 So it's always been a thing, the old-fashioned centre-forward.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's great. Great research.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Logically, Dave, he says it makes sense that this phrase has been used since time immemorial.

Speaker 5 Football exists in an evolving state of tactics and codification, causing earlier generations of players and play to seem old-fashioned regardless of the given period.

Speaker 5 So basically a spot on them it's just all cyclical at the end of the day isn't it?

Speaker 5 Yeah and I mean how many years what would have had like by 1912 what you're coming on for like 30 odd years of football?

Speaker 8 50. 40 something

Speaker 5 1870s?

Speaker 7 17.

Speaker 5 More than enough time to

Speaker 5 you know, for something to have gone in and out of fashion. Yeah, I suppose so.
Yeah, I suppose things would have been evolving rapidly rapidly at that point.

Speaker 5 People working out what the optimal way of playing football is back then. So very possible.
This leads on to this next one. This came from listener Michael Cox, who sent me a tweet from Ryan Babble.

Speaker 5 And it was a video of Roberto Firmino. And Babble tweeted, Nick, one of the best false nines in modern football, Bobby Firmino, 1718, was unreal.

Speaker 5 Are there even any real false nines left in today's game?

Speaker 7 We've really moved on.

Speaker 5 This is great. Nostalgia for false nines.
I mean, Nick, we are plausibly entering into a phase where false nines could be sort of thought about in that way.

Speaker 5 Maybe it was just a fleeting phase and we look back on them like, I don't know. What were the kind of iPods that weren't iPhones? What were they? The iPod Touch.
iPod Touch.

Speaker 5 False Nines were basically the iPod Touches of football. Why do I sound like Dean Saunders?

Speaker 5 Swallowed an iPod Touch.

Speaker 5 But yeah, so is it acceptable, Nick, to be nostalgic for a False Nine?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think so, because it kind of potentially speaks to a... Now we're in this kind of play teams are playing more direct and yada yada.

Speaker 5 So everyone so people have a big centre forward it speaks to a kind of maybe a nostalgia for a time when teams actually pass the ball you know yes i suppose charlie but then we have to address the fact that the false nine concept got to a stage where it was basically anybody who wasn't a striker who played up front was called a false nine and the purists hated that it did sort of eat itself didn't it that concept of a false nine because it was like any player you're not exactly sure how to characterize you could describe as a false nine or just someone who didn't like if if it was a striker a bit like bobby famino who didn't score loads then it was like oh we'll call him a false nine yeah but i don't know if it's i don't know if they're sort of dying out no there's no there's no real footballing reason necessarily for them to have done but i i guess they just it was just it was a means to an end for one team and the other teams thought do you know what we actually need one i think we're all right i suppose he he probably wouldn't have played on his own up front much so you know it was in the era of two still having two strikers but would like teddy sherringham be a false nine

Speaker 9 just a support striker isn't it yeah he was he was sort of an out and out 10 i'd say yeah there's no deception involved, I guess.

Speaker 5 You knew he was going to drop deep, and that's what he did. So, yeah, there's no dragging anybody out of position, I guess, to a certain extent.

Speaker 5 But yeah, until we hear the phrase old-fashioned false nine, I guess we are

Speaker 5 still in a phase of stasis for that.

Speaker 5 Next up, Andrew King writes in and says, For years, my brother, friend, and I have had a spreadsheet tracking our grounds attended.

Speaker 5 I went through a large number in my 20s and went past 50 grounds at one stage, though I haven't managed any new ones for some time.

Speaker 5 It's not been a point of discussion for a while, but this week, my brother shared in our WhatsApp group he had a work event at Portman Road.

Speaker 5 The immediate reaction in the group chat was that he ticked off another ground for Club 92 purposes. That's bollocks, right?

Speaker 5 The absence of clear and definitive rules anywhere makes this a little difficult. I accept that one could, in theory, come up with their own little rules, but that'd be a different game.

Speaker 5 The fundamental concept of Club 92 is you must see a competitive game of football being played. It must be, surely, and arguably some minimum conditions.

Speaker 5 You must see 60 minutes of the match for it to count, for instance.

Speaker 5 What a weird little technicality that is, by the way, Nick.

Speaker 5 What scenario would you have to leave early? I don't know. Were your wife giving birth or your car being parked in the wrong place?

Speaker 8 I've had a few friends doing versions of the 92, so I'm very, very well versed in the kind of arguments and the the technicalities, and

Speaker 8 the disdain for anyone who attends like a concert or something and tries to pass that off.

Speaker 9 I guess as well, with the 60-minute thing, I guess if you're such a kind of 92 head, is it possible that

Speaker 9 you might try and squeeze out like two in a day? And to do that might mean leaving before the end of the game,

Speaker 9 but there's exactly, but there's a limit on, well, you can't take the piss. You know,

Speaker 9 you can't just like set foot in there and be like, right, yep, see Nick, I'm done. I'm going to go to the next game.

Speaker 8 That was very much the, one of the conversations,

Speaker 8 I'm not going to say took part in, was kind of listening to,

Speaker 8 was the idea that because you have to,

Speaker 8 inevitably, towards the end of it, the grounds are more obscure. It's possibly like a mid-week Carabao Cup, something like that.

Speaker 8 There were public transport considerations to be made, so you had to kind of leave to get the train or something like that.

Speaker 8 There was a debate about whether that counted or not if you have to leave at a certain point.

Speaker 5 I watched the Miami Dolphins take on the Washington Commanders in the Burnabau this weekend. So, does that count?

Speaker 9 On no level does that count.

Speaker 5 It's a lifted different pitch from the basement.

Speaker 7 So, definitely, yeah, you didn't even have the whole stadium.

Speaker 9 Yeah, minus points. But I have that with San Ciro.
I've seen Springsteen there, I've never actually seen a game.

Speaker 9 And so, when there are all these things going around, like, oh, you must go before it's demolished because there's nothing quite like it. And I'm just like, does that apply to me?

Speaker 9 Like, do I need to go? Is it counting a gig? Or is it like, no, no, no, no, that doesn't count. Yeah,

Speaker 5 it can't count. Obviously, acoustics in there.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Exactly. Wow.

Speaker 5 On the Burnabelle, Dave, did you know it has been officially renamed Burnabelle? The Santiago has been removed.

Speaker 5 So you can call it the Burnabelle, you know, officially now, and no one will be allowed to frown upon it. Not from the tube station, it hasn't.
I can tell you that much.

Speaker 5 But yeah, we were drinking out of branded cups with just Burnabell on them.

Speaker 7 Oh, wow.

Speaker 5 It rolls off the tongue. I quite like it.
Right, last couple of items for you. This first one came from Cy Mintoft.

Speaker 5 Here is Chris Wickfield from Sheffield Wednesday's Administrator's Begbies Trainer being interviewed on the club's YouTube channel about the state of things and how things are going at Hillsborough, you know, mid-administration.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I never really paid much attention to what administration really involves. I grasped the main concept of it, but I never thought they'd really have to go into the weeds like this.

Speaker 5 This is the first thing he talks about.

Speaker 15 We've had a big debate this week about what shorts we're going to wear at Blackburn Rovers.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 we're in a position that we probably shouldn't be in where we've got effectively three kits. And if we play against somebody in blue and white away from home, we are struggling a little bit.

Speaker 15 So, away at Blackburn Rovers,

Speaker 15 our shorts clash with them. So, the options we've basically got is we can wear the blue home shorts, which with the purple kit do not look good at all.

Speaker 15 Or we've been given special dispensation to wear some black shorts that we had last season.

Speaker 15 But the problem with the black shorts is the numbers don't match up, and they've got to be those exact shorts. We can't go home just buy some other black shorts.

Speaker 15 We've decided to do that, so there's been things like that that have been strange.

Speaker 5 So, Dave, on one hand, you know, it's so, so sad to see

Speaker 5 a grand old club like this in such a parlor state,

Speaker 5 but on the other hand, great to see the administrators really getting involved in the finer details. So, I'm comforted.

Speaker 5 Begbe's trainer, clearly, the number one administrators in football because no one else seems to get a look in, but it's good to see that they're doing their job properly.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, that is quite mad, though.

Speaker 5 Like, when he says there, that you're not allowed to just go and get some more shorts.

Speaker 5 Like, I mean, I suppose the whole point of this situation is there isn't just money knocking about to be splashed on whatever they need. But, um, yeah, wow.

Speaker 5 Like, it's so tinpot Sunday league stuff in the league

Speaker 5 in the championship. And if anyone's played for a Sunday league team who have black shorts, you know full well that by the end of at least the first season, those shorts are never going to match.

Speaker 5 Like, no one has the right shorts. And rightly so.

Speaker 8 Do you think when we kind of hear about financial stuff in football, I do certainly just kind of go, oh, this is not, God,

Speaker 8 I resent having to know about this.

Speaker 8 This isn't why I got him into football. There's the flip side with the administrators where they have to talk about this kind of thing.

Speaker 8 They're kind of shaking their heads and going, this isn't why I got into the administration game.

Speaker 7 So it's shorts. Yeah,

Speaker 5 this is the great sort of meeting point between our two minds then. But no, once Schultz chat is out of the way, Charlie, he gets onto the real sort of significant matters of running a football club.

Speaker 15 Even

Speaker 15 we had a big debate yesterday on chicken and chips.

Speaker 15 So what I wasn't expecting to happen is apart from in the grandstand, we can't properly cook chicken and chips because the fire suppression system, obviously you can't, if you have a fire, you can't have water that comes down on the cooking oil.

Speaker 15 So while some fans might be disappointed, apart from the grandstand, we have taken the decision that we're going to take chicken and chips off the menu until the fire suppression system can be upgraded.

Speaker 9 This whole thing just kind of screams comedy mockumentary.

Speaker 7 It's amazing.

Speaker 9 His tone, the way, like the granularity of the detail he gives, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there's a grin across his, like, he's sort of stifling a grin, isn't it? He knows how ridiculous this is.

Speaker 5 I had to take out several utterances of chicken and chips out of that clip as well, just to tighten it up. And it just was great that he kept on saying it.

Speaker 5 Right, we've done food, so we're next for suppression.

Speaker 15 We've had similar debates around the drinks that we sell. We sell 12 times as much lager as what we do bitter, and then people are queuing for the lager and not getting served quick enough.

Speaker 15 So, we're having a look at whether we mix that up a little bit.

Speaker 15 We might be able to improve the lager offering. We're looking at whether we can bring a premium lager in in addition to people who want carling.

Speaker 15 So, yeah, things like that that maybe fans wouldn't think would cause such internal debate, but they have done and they've been a bit strange.

Speaker 5 All right, chill out, Chris Wickfield.

Speaker 7 You can't have an exotic lager signing at at Shipper Wednesday, a Cruz Campo or a Madri.

Speaker 7 Premium lager.

Speaker 5 Cruz Campo played for them in the 90s, I think, didn't really.

Speaker 5 But yeah, that's great. Talking about the lager as if it is a new signing.

Speaker 5 I mean, I mean, you know, on a semi-serious point, Nick, this just really does sort of rams home the tiny things that go into running a football club well and that need to be kind of fine-tuned to get a club back on a good financial footing for a new owner, I guess.

Speaker 8 It does kind of ram home the old, well, you know, I could do job X or something like that, but then when you actually hear about the stuff that is involved in it.

Speaker 5 He started this interview, Charlie, by saying, like, he's been having real trouble sleeping at night to try and keep this club going.

Speaker 5 And presumably, I'm not surprised now, because he has to think about chicken and chips, for God's sake.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, that is actually like a proper intray, isn't it?

Speaker 7 You know, it's all about managers and chain, but what an intrigues got.

Speaker 9 Chicken and chips in your intricate and then premium lager the next item.

Speaker 5 I want to end today's episode with this one. I'm always hesitant, Dave, to do an item on mad foreign commentary for all sorts of reasons, but this came from Ryan Preston.

Speaker 5 He says, My partner is Brazilian, and in order to improve my Portuguese and a shameless attempt to enamor myself with her father, I've been trying to watch Brazilian football as and when I can.

Speaker 5 One of my biggest joys of Brazilian football is the energy in the commentary box, which is demonstrated perfectly in this clip from a match between São Paulo and Red Bull Bragantino.

Speaker 5 The band Linkin Park were performing in São Paulo, and commentator Beto Jr.

Speaker 5 was asked if he liked any of their songs, which prompted the following response.

Speaker 2 I don't know why.

Speaker 5 I mean, more than anything, Dave, it's an insane language and an insane accent. Whenever they have to launch into anything sort of anglophone, it sounds incredible.

Speaker 7 Leaking bark!

Speaker 8 Num.

Speaker 5 Yeah, amazing. I mean, over to you, Fletch and Maca.

Speaker 7 Come on.

Speaker 5 This is the Brazilian equivalent, Charlie, of Andy Tanzan talking about a Foo Fighter.

Speaker 7 Foo Fighters.

Speaker 9 Imagine if he actually did then bust some out.

Speaker 5 I think we should be glad that they didn't drop into the Jay-Z Colab album.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I mean, yeah, I only break open the emergency foreign commentary content very infrequently, Nick, but I feel like it was justified here.

Speaker 8 100%. On the Brazilian accent thing, I used to.
A guy used to play in our Five Aside game who was Brazilian, and it was worth it every week to hear him shout, G French!

Speaker 7 It's an amazing language, honestly.

Speaker 5 But yes. Yeah, well, anyway, welcome back from all of your respected travels.
Thanks to you, Nick Miller. Thank you.
Linkman and second in command for Cricket Clichés, which is launching this week.

Speaker 5 Look forward to that. Thanks to you, Charlie Eccleshere.
Thank you. Thanks to you, David Walker.
Thank you. Thanks to everyone for listening.
We'll be back on Thursday with your Mezza Harlan dicks.

Speaker 5 See you then.

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