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In the last minute of extra time, Mikel Marino's brilliant header knocks out the hosts who'd gone full, full krug, getting it in the mixer and causing all sorts sorts of problems florian wert scored a deserved equalizer for germany in the last minute of normal time cancelling out danny olmo's opener anthony taylor booked lots of players but it was a dirty game and then to france nil portugal nil should they have been allowed to take penalties or just be forced to keep playing until somebody accidentally scored a goal ronaldo unsubbable but he wasn't the only one doing nothing my goodness in the end france are through jao felix the unfortunate one surely the french will have to do more against Spain.

We'll look ahead to three at the back for England.

Is that taking the handbrake off or putting it back on again?

Either way, different is surely good.

We've got reviews of Baz from the continent, the insta-fight between Ronaldo fans and pod ultras.

Your questions, and that's today's Guardian Football Weekly.

On the panel today, Barry Glendeni, welcome.

Hello.

Bon mou je savà Philippo Claire.

Sava treen.

Archie win tut, hello.

Hello.

And Jonathan Faduba, welcome.

Hello.

All right, we're going to start with Spain-Germany.

We've just all watched the France-Portugal game.

So the Spain-Germany game feels about 12 years ago to me.

Before I bring in any of the panel, I spoke to Sid.

I forced him to send us a voice note at full time, and here it is.

Hi, Max.

Yeah, how you doing?

I'm just dashing through the crowds in the stadium, trying to get down to the press conference rooms to see what the two managers have to say about that.

I imagine Nagelsman might say something about the possible penalty.

because I've been actually discussing this with a Spanish referee friend of mine, says it's not a penalty.

the rules say very clearly that that's not a penalty.

To which I've said, of course, the rules shouldn't say that because it's a save.

Anyway, that's really not the issue.

I didn't really want to start there.

You want to start with the drama, but you asked about

the suspensions and what this might mean for Spain.

Obviously, Carver Hallau,

I think Lenore Mand as well.

But to be honest with you, that was also crazy.

It's quite difficult for me to be properly on top of that at the moment.

The thing that struck me in this, obviously, is Spain's character, their personality, their ability to stay in it, the importance of Fulkruck, who I thought was the player that really helped to change the game.

And I think if we're going to be critical, we might look at this and say that there were moments when Luis De La Fuente possibly was over-conservative.

And at a time when maybe he could have left someone to try and catch Germany on the break, sort of didn't do it.

And Spain held on a bit, correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was two posts from Germany, the possible penalty, a couple of great says from Owen Isiman.

And then you get to the end and it's Tony Cruz's, the very last kick of Tony Cruz's entire career.

And

it's kind of inevitable, isn't it, that you sort of imagine some massive, massive historic moment.

But

it wasn't to be.

That was pretty extraordinary.

Spain have been, I think, the best team at this tournament.

I'm not sure they were the best team tonight, to be perfectly honest this time.

But everybody knew that Germany were likely to be the hardest side.

And this is a huge, huge, huge win for them.

Sorry, I've got some Jobsworth wanting to see my quotation.

This was a huge, huge win for them.

So, yeah, quite exciting.

As for who is Mike Elmarino, well, I think the Newcastle fans will know that, won't they?

Thank you, Sid.

Hope the job's worth is okay.

Um, not quite a do you know who I am moment from Sid, but it was close.

Uh, let's start with that winning goal, Baz.

You know a thing or two about headers, and that was perfect from Marino, wasn't it?

It took me back, Max.

I'll tell you,

took me back.

I know exactly how Mr.

Mourino felt.

Uh, I knew what was in his mind as he rose

salmon-like

and twisted every sinew,

and it was a fantastic header.

I mean, it was a good switch of play in the build-up.

I can't remember who played the ball inside from the right.

And then Mark Cocarella played it out wide to Danny Olmo, and his cross was inch perfect.

And Michel Marino on the edge of the six-yard box, just an unstoppable header, really.

Unless, of course, it was against Turkey and

their goalkeeper would probably have kept it out.

Yeah, what a way to win the game.

And the mad thing was that having equalized late on and very, very late on in normal time, Germany then had a couple of good chances to get another late, late, late, late equalizer due in no small part to Anthony Taylor.

He seemed to have lost his whistle or something.

I'm not sure where all that added time at the end of extra time came from.

And then there was

one point where ferron torres uh went on a solo break up field and he tried to score this is like in the second added minute of

of extra time and i'm pretty sure he went sort of one-on-one with manuel noir instead of like hairing over to the corner flag and just standing there with his arms folded and his foot on the ball um so yeah it was a really entertaining game after a while.

I mean, the first half was pretty rubbish, but after that, it was, it was, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Yeah, and Phillip, but great moment for Marino, right?

You know, Newcastle fans might remember him, 24 games, one goal in 2017, 18.

I confess I don't know.

Or they might not.

Or they might not.

And he's been quite good for Sociodad, but he's not the poster boy of Spanish football.

And there's something nice about international tournaments that...

You get unlikely heroes.

Yeah, and to be honest, to come back on that header, I'm struggling to remember a better one in international game.

The other thing which I found absolutely amazing, if you if you look at the slow motion of it, it's he basically does the splits.

He looks like one of those dancers from the Red Army, you know, in the 1960s, doing the Kalinka or whatever.

I mean, his legs are so far apart and despite that, I mean, he's about suspended 15 meters in the air, he manages to direct the ball like this.

It's absolutely extraordinary.

You would have thought this might be the Joselou moment, but it nearly was.

It was the Merry No moment instead.

So it was lovely.

But,

i mean wonderful game of football and my goodness thank goodness we're talking about this because

we'll get there don't worry philippe

do we have to

i guess i guess we do i'm trying to think robin van percy scored that amazing header for the netherlands right that and was larsen's for sweden henrik larsen i can't remember he did an amazing diving header but i can't remember if it was barcelona or Sweden, I'm not sure.

Anyway, credit to the journalist Alexandra Johnson.

And we actually, during, for most of the second half or the first half of france portugal i was me and joel were trying to work out this stat mikel marino's dad angel scored in the same ground for ossasuna in the uefa cup in 1991 and he did that celebration around the corner flag so presumably mikel's was a tribute to his dad um it's an amazing stat apparently the same commentator on that game in 91 and this game as well it's a brilliant stat look archie you were there baz mentioned it after the merino header there is the fulcrug header, right?

And it's just wide.

Particularly because I thought, okay, this time Germany are done.

I think it just re-highlighted how

Nicholas Fulkrug, despite starting every game on the bench for Germany, can probably feel a little bit hard done by that he didn't see a little more game time in this tournament, given how much more dangerous they looked whenever he was playing.

But overall,

understandable dejection from the Germans in the stadium, albeit I can't remember seeing an intensity of a celebration like there was for the equalizer when Vietz put that in.

In fact, there was a cameraman behind me in an observer seat who I've worked with before called Ulli, and I saw his face contorted into a complexion that I didn't know was within the realm of possibilities when Germany scored.

It was just such an outpouring of emotion.

And actually, whilst positives are difficult to find for Germany right now, the big one is that so many people have reconnected with this team because of this tournament.

And that was really not the case, not even three months ago, before those international friendlies.

So that they've made people feel

is a real positive.

And that you can see how much it meant to the players that Thomas Muller's in tears because...

By all accounts, it's going to probably be his last international game.

That's something.

That Julian Nagelsmann was moved nearly to tears in his post-match interview as well I think that tells you how an emotional journey it's been for Germany even if they've only reached the quarterfinals yeah Jonathan I thought Germany were probably better I couldn't I can't really think of much that Spain did either side of their goals really no I think the the momentum of the game changed when Lamin Yamal and

Williams went off the the two wide players of Spain who offered such thrust and during this tournament and in a way it would have been a shame if Spain had gone out that would have been their last actions of the tournament.

They've been both of them so, so good.

And personally, I'm quite happy to see them in another game.

But clearly, also from a neutral point of view, Germany had the momentum and they were pushing and it looked as if it was swinging in their favour, especially with the introduction of Wurtz, you know, and his goals, brilliant strikes of great low finish.

I felt the game was an interesting one in the sense of the way that Nagersman, his decision to play Jonathan Tarr felt to me a bit like a kind of declaration of declaration of war in a way.

And it was like a sign of his kind of physical approach and from minute one pretty much uh Germany were quite strong in their challenges I'm still struggling to figure out how Tony Cruz has managed to not get sent off at least three times letter alone once

and there was an early warning sign for Spain in the sort of first minute there was a really nice move where I think Pedri Pedri had a shot and and you know Murata laid it off and that was kind of like a warning sign for Germany but they sort of did recover as the game wore on you know from going from going a goal down uh but I think yeah the re obviously the referee, the amount of files, I think there were 17 yellow cards in this game, which is crazy, really.

The German approach did seem to be, you know,

get amongst them.

Pretty aggressive style.

But that's probably the way you have to play Spain, because if you let them start playing in that way, I know they're a bit of a more direct side now with the wide players and they can mix it up a bit, but they still like that possession of style.

And from Legendsman, maybe that was the right approach in a way.

Yeah, the game did ebb and flow.

And it was at that time that you thought Spain was going going to sort of go away and take it away and win and finish it off they didn't the substitution of email i thought that that was the turning point in terms of the momentum i felt and then germany when they when you thought maybe germany were going to win it obviously spain popped up and mourno popped up with that winner so yeah it was it ebbed and flowed quite nicely i thought but that i i did think in in that in the mini context of that the the amount of fouls and stoppages was quite frustrating at times little things like simon getting booked for time wasting there's just so many stop starts to the game and um when you looked at who who the referee was and the other premier league referees i guess a lot of people have been i think i think he's the most unpopular man in spain at the moment judging by social media there's been a lot of a lot of criticism of um the the referee already i've seen some of the decisions i think the cruise foul just when he was on the edge of the box um late in the like 90th minute or so and i think it was a yazaba that that's getting criticized amongst a lot of the other decisions but um yeah

It was a fun game and it, like I say, ebbed and flowed and you didn't quite know which way it was going to go.

Nargasman actually forecast what their approach was going to be with Jamal, saying that he didn't think that he'd necessarily would have faced that much of a physical approach, albeit he then tracked back two sentences later, saying that it didn't mean that they wanted to kick him out of his socks.

Albeit, what ended up happening was probably something approaching that.

Just on Nagelsmann, though, I think his decisions to start

Raum instead of Mittelstedt, Chan instead of Andrisch, and Sane instead of Wirtz,

it had him chasing the game.

And ultimately, when you see how Germany lost the game at the end in that they ran out of puff,

you could say that that's what cost them.

They ended up running an extra five kilometers more than Spain in this game.

Particularly Mittelstedt, Andrisch, and Wiertz.

They're all players who...

are much more used to playing with control in this last season.

Leroy Sane is wild and is not somebody who helps you to control a game, I think, as much as Florian Wiertz does.

And I think from that perspective, Nagelsmann corrected his mistakes well with his substitutions and bringing on Fulkrug as well.

But ultimately, I think it got them into this place where they were chasing the game more.

And while Sid was saying that perhaps Spain were over-conservative, I think that maybe Nagelsmann misjudged that in terms of when you look at when Germany were losing the ball

in the Spanish half, unlike every other opponent they faced, Spain raced forward with it.

And that, I think, tired them out over the game.

And I think that's maybe

one side of the approach that

will be considered.

However, the big headlines in Germany are not about that this evening.

They are about the handball that they didn't get from Mark Cucaria.

Right, let's talk about the decisions then, then, Barry.

Scott says, I'm Scottish, and therefore my anxiety levels at England succeeding or flirting to success are at least equal to Barry's.

But I'd take England in the final, given it would ensure there would be no English ref.

Look,

I thought Attink Taylor did okay in this game.

I agree with Jonathan.

The Cruise early foul on Pedri, not just because Pedri gets injured, that is a yellow card.

But it was a dirty game and he had to book a lot of players.

If anything, he was perhaps too lenient.

Yeah, but I think he built a rod for his own back by not giving Cruise a yellow card for the foul on Pedri because that kind of set the tone and it meant players saw that and went all right we're gonna be let away with stuff here yeah there was one early decision he made i can't even remember what it was but he was immediately surrounded by players from both sides and he just shooed them all away very officiously i think that might have even have been before the the crews foul on pedri so while there was lots of play acting lots of niggle lots of

bruising fouls.

I think much of that could have been avoided if he'd if he'd booked Cruz early doors.

And I also think, you know,

well, he booked three different players who weren't on the pitch.

You know, they were all either unused substitutes or in the case of Alambaro Murato, someone who'd been taken off.

I don't really see the need for that.

It just seems like excessive fussiness.

So I would give him a six, six or a seven out of ten.

And how Cruz stayed on the pitch is a miracle.

Yeah, that's true.

I mean, we did get some good questions here.

Puddy's saying, Cruz seems to be actively seeking the Zidane exit from professional football.

On that handball, Dale Johnson.

So Mussiala shoots.

It hits Cucarella's hand.

It's probably worth reading what Dale Johnson from ESPN wrote because...

He knows the laws of the game better than anyone.

And he just says, UEFA's pre-tournament briefing on handballs gave a specific example, just like Mark Cucarella, saying it should not be a handball penalty.

Arms close to the side, pointing predominantly down vertically and or a position behind the line of the body.

It differs from the penalty that Joachim Anderson conceded against Germany.

UEFA

deems that armed position to be unnatural and creating a barrier.

Understandable fans would think the two decisions are the wrong way around, but they aren't per intended interpretation.

So, Philippe, it is the law, not the official.

Yes, it's absolutely, absolutely right.

It's the law, the interpretation in the law, rather,

what has been asked of the referees, the way they've been asked to interpret it, which is absolutely fine.

I have to say,

when I first saw it, I thought, oh, that's a pen.

Yeah, me too.

But I think that was a reflex from what we've seen in the Premier League and where we have a different interpretation of the laws of football, perhaps, or different from what UEFA has put in place for that particular competition.

So, I mean, no complaint about that.

One thing I would say, you know, about all the yellow cards is that

personally, I didn't mind the fouling.

I mean, maybe I'm a bit mesochistic.

I really enjoyed the game from the first minute because it felt like a big game.

It really felt like it from the beginning.

And a bit of shithouse 3,

that's nice.

And to see Crows kind of channeling the inner Casemiro, you know, the invisible mantle of protection when you're fouling is quite beautiful.

But there are consequences of all these yellow cards in that there are three Spanish players who won't take part in the semifinal and they're not small players because it's Robano Normo,

Carvajal,

and Alvaro Morata.

Although I mean, Carvajal, right?

I mean, he does basically try and...

Was it Marcialo went past him?

He does sort of try and take his, rip his head off.

I mean,

that is a second yellow for me, Clive.

Well, he would have been banned regardless.

And one presumes Pedri will be out as well because that looked like a bad injury.

Makes an interesting point that it does feel like these yellows should have been wiped by now, don't they?

Like, like, what is it?

You know, you get two bookings in five games and you're out of a semi-final.

I don't know what the right thing would be, but like, wipe them after the group stages, perhaps, Baz.

I don't know.

I think I would wipe them after the quarterfinals.

I mean, it could be argued in a tournament like that, an international tournament, that they don't carry at all.

That, you know, you get a yellow card in a game,

then you have to watch your step for the rest of that game.

Yeah, I suppose late on, though, can you imagine late on if you're winning?

Just happening.

I mean, it would be fun.

You're right.

It would be fun.

Xiao Polignho

will just keep going the way he does, to be honest.

But if he's just allowed to kind of do whatever slight acquis he wants, then,

yeah,

I think round of 16 feels fair.

When I'm Daniel Omo, actually, obviously you've seen quite a lot of him at Leipzig.

And, you know, he scores a lovely goal.

Might have been a bit

easy from a German point of view.

Like, it was a slick move, but it wasn't like incisive, I thought.

But, you know, he scores when he sets one up.

And he's quite an enigmatic player.

I know he's good, but I'm not quite sure where I meant to place him in my top 100 footballers.

Germany have been offering those spaces throughout the tournament.

It's just that no one's been in a position to take advantage of them like Spain have.

And

I thought that given the scenario which Danny Ormo's in, where you're having to come on so early in such a big game, where mentally I don't think you're quite in that zone yet.

And to play like he did and pose such a threat throughout, I thought was

excellent.

And also, given that there's this synergy between Yamin Lamal and Pedri,

to then be able to try and link things together like

he was trying to, and I think did quite effectively, was another string to his bow.

At RB Leipzig, he has become

one of their key players.

I think eclipsed somewhat by Chavi Simmons as

the star of that team in the last season.

But still,

I don't think it will be long before he moves somewhere else because,

particularly, his shot from long range that he has

is such a weapon.

It reminds me a bit of Dominic Shaboshlai and just the tightness of his movement, but also just the whip that he's able to get on it.

But he's got the finesse as well, as he showed

with that cross for Mikel Marino.

So, yeah,

an excellent night for him.

Sid had a good interview with him.

This was a big game for him, a very special occasion because he's a Spanish international who's never played professionally for a Spanish club.

He lives in Germany.

He plays in Germany.

He's married to a German lady.

He was up against a former manager in Julie Nagelsman.

So it's not a surprise that he did well.

Yeah.

Although, I suspect he may not be getting any nookie for a while from Mrs.

Olmo.

Fraud Almo.

So the word, Jonathan, on those suspensions for Spain and like the impact that will have.

I mean, they should be favourites going into a game against a team who don't necessarily have that much interest in playing football.

Yeah, quite.

You'd like to think they'd be favourites.

They'll be able to manage it with the squad.

Paradoxically, I felt that Yamal, the substitution of Yamal, getting through without him playing was quite important because it enabled him to have just that bit of rest that he probably might need and you know Williams and him will be able to come into the next game quite fresh they didn't they didn't play through extra time

so and

the way the game was going I thought it felt was quite a sensible substitution as well just you know given his age how young he is and how he was sort of slightly being targeted along with Pedri who'd obviously been cleaned out already so I think that that does to give them a bit of an advantage the freshness of those two wide players defensively of course they're going to have to shake things around a bit i mean carba house carba house um I'm already suspended, so I may as well take the red on Musiado at the end who was quite enjoying that, you know,

the rugby tackle on him at the end there, but there was a few rugby tackles in the course of the 120 minutes, I think.

So it kind of blended in.

But yeah, that taking one for the team was interesting.

I feel that it is quite important there.

And I thought just on the subject of Yamal,

it's an interesting one because for me personally, as someone who's quite into youth football and seeing a 16-year-old having such a huge responsibility, I remember being in Barcelona about three or four months ago

and they played a Copa del Rey, I think it was Copa del Rey game, Barcelona, and Yamar was, he scored a brilliant goal.

And the next day he was front page of all the sort of, you know, the sports papers.

And I had a bit of a sort of uneasy feeling about it because just there's so much pressure on a 16-year-old.

It almost feels a bit unfair.

But the paradox watching the game today was that, you know, even for playing for the national team in Spain, you almost can't take him off.

And just going back to that, what we talked about, the momentum, when he did go off, it swung in Germany's favour.

It's almost like he's so good that you, yeah, even though he's 16, you almost can't take him off.

So I thought it was brave to take him off, actually, there, and

it's worked out in their favour.

And I think that will benefit them in the next game because, you know, fatigue is probably going to play quite an important role in the latter stages of this tournament, you know, with the extra times.

And having having maybe Williams and Yamar Fresh could really play into their favour.

But yeah, of course, in terms of some of the suspensions, that is going to affect them.

but but i i feel like spain will be able to manage it hopefully for them but i think murato murato is out though isn't he as well i think i'm right in saying so that that that could be a a tough one to sort of mitigate but i i was sort of thinking maybe the spanish public would be quite pleased murato is unavailable am i am i wrong i think just because of his hold up i mean i don't think he's done a huge amount in in this tournament really but maybe as that sort of focal nine i don't know who else they have as a potential replacement Yeah, he holds it more than Josalu, doesn't he?

I think.

Just on Yamal being 16, it's sort of like

a child actor.

Is that fame bad that early?

Do you think he might just give up football when he's 18 and just become an accountant?

In like 20 years, they'll be like, oh, yeah, just, I just, you know, I was just pushed into it when I was young and actually didn't work out for me.

Hey, now, Barry,

we've been reviewed in the Sud Deutsche Teitung, which is, Archie says, a proper paper.

I did say to him, I mean, I'm aware of it.

We're allowed to broadcast on The Guardian, which I presume is also a proper paper.

So, you know, that's okay.

Anyway, I want to give you a, I want to give you, see, Barry, if you can translate the opening line of their review of the podcast, which they say is cantankerous but brilliant.

Niemand wunst der Englischen National Mannschaft So von Gansum Herzen alles Schlechter the Barry Glendenning.

I haven't a clue.

Oh, come on.

Can you take a wild stab in the dark?

Nobody hopes for success

for the England national football team at Euro 2004 than Barry Glendenning.

But less than Barry Glendenning, I would say.

Archie,

how would you translate it?

Nobody wishes the England national team the very worst, like Barry Glendenning.

I need to tell you, I know plenty of people who do.

Anyway, thank you.

Sir Deutsche Tzeitung.

Yes, Archie.

It was quite complimentary after that.

I mean, in some way.

It said that Glendenning's bad temper.

Wasn't that complimentary, by the way?

Sorry, hold on.

Philippe, we're talking about me.

Glenn Denning's bad temper is already very funny during normal Premier League and Champions League times, but he takes it up a lot during the European Championships or World Cup.

But then they kind of insult you because they go with the fine British humour, and you're like, ooh, that's fair enough.

You'll take it.

Good stuff.

Anyway, that'll do for part one.

Part two, I'm afraid to say, we will talk about Portugal nil, France nil.

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Connor says, I hope Barry is still off the fags after watching this tripe.

Dermot says, How much are ye being paid and is it enough?

There was a moment 10 minutes into extra time when my telly threatened to, you know, it threatens to turn itself off automatically.

And I was sitting watching the countdown countdown going maybe

maybe

maybe i will portugal nil france nil uh france with 5-3 on penalties jiao felix hit the post uh sad for him uh france from open play over 500 minutes uh haven't scored from open play for over 500 minutes the last one was a month ago in a pre-tournament friendly against luxembourg it's in open play portugal have not scored a goal uh since the second group game uh so that's the third consecutive game without scoring and the halftime xg was portugal 0.06, France 0.09.

But, Philippe, you are there in the semifinals.

Félicitation!

You can send your félicitation to somebody else because, to be honest, I think perhaps the way to mark this game is to have a minute's silence

in a way almost like out of respect for football, which was killed tonight.

It was dire.

And

the first, I think, 57 seconds were quite promising.

That was a nice move.

And then it got bad.

And then it got worse and worse and worse and worse.

And to be honest, all of the football was played by the Portuguese.

There were a few flashes from a few individuals on the French side.

There was no real plan that I could think of.

France was playing a kind of 4-4-2 diamond with Antoine Gruisman at the top of it and not much happening anywhere.

As per usual, Mike Meignon had a fantastic game.

Thank you, Mike, very much.

William Saliba was great, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And we showed absolutely nothing.

I mean, France showed absolutely nothing going forward.

It was pathetic.

And the Portuguese showed a little bit more, but...

not an awful lot more than that.

And when you had what felt like a really high level high octane super engaging game with with two teams giving absolutely everything suddenly we had this thing which reminded me it's like the worst of italian 1990 or for anyone who

would have forgotten about it um the france team of 1996 at the euro which despite having players like zidan and the others was awful to watch, absolutely awful to watch, and were beaten, by the way, in the semi-final.

And maybe the same thing will happen, but Didier Deschamps won't care.

I can tell you that.

He really won't care at all.

He will be very proud of his players.

I have to say, I'm absolutely stunned that

France scored five pens out of five because

Didier had taken out of the team every single penalty taker.

He'd also chosen to take out Antoine Guerzmann, our most reliable player for now 10 years almost, and Camar Vinga, who had had a beautiful game.

I thought he was fantastic and made you realize the folly it is to put Rabio instead of him in the starting 11.

But there you go.

We'll have Rabio back in the semi-final, don't worry about that.

But the French, the penalty taking was magnificent.

I honestly thought, I think we were talking about it, I thought at least three French players would shoot the ball above the bar.

I thought Dembele was a cert

because he does Den Bellet things and that's a Den Bellet thing to do.

I had no idea who the other penalty takers were, but to be fair to them, they were superb.

That's one thing that actually, and that's if you look at what people are reacting when we're just talking after the game and we're all a bit tired and everything, but in France, people are talking about how

these young players, some of them like Barcola, for example,

took his

responsibility so coolly and toy arnoldes who had a great game yeah what a pen

to finish it off yeah his and kundes i thought were brilliant weren't they but you made the point like philly made the point jonathan that that

one side was trying to play and it was portugal they weren't brilliant but you thought vitinia conseu and actually down the left mendes and leal they

they were they were more interesting if the bar is quite low yeah i would agree with that uh they were they were more interesting especially down that left-hand side as you've mentioned there were nuna I think it's had a fantastic tournament.

And Raffaleo has been sort of up and down, but he really gave Kunde problems in this match.

By the way,

nice German accent there, Max.

I quite enjoyed that.

Well, I lived in Berlin, as you remember, in England.

Fair enough, fair enough.

That was quite impressive.

Thanks so much.

Yeah,

I do think France sort of try and play football kind of, but...

It's like I like almost every player individually, but as a unit,

is a really hard watch.

I mean, there was a point in extra time where I just felt for sort of, I felt for producer Joe, and

it was sort of like in my mind, I was like,

should I make dinner now?

Or should I try and just like get to the end of it?

Have you not had dinner yet?

No, not yet.

So I'm going to be cooking after this.

It was a real dilemma.

It was a real dilemma.

You're like Letterman.

You're like Letterman.

You can't be full for the performance.

It was a real dilemma.

I was like, well, have I got it?

I was trying to time sort of how long would it take to boil this and cook that.

That's where my mind went extra time so that probably sums up this game to be honest in terms of where people's heads were at really uh but i just yeah i mean i really like come

i really like chaomeni i really like like every french play i really like but just as a unit it doesn't it just doesn't seem to work um and bappé seems to have struggled in this tournament i guess it's related to the sort of issue you know the issues he had with the the broken nose and um i think gary line could mention on the commentary something around the breathing issues maybe and that was maybe why he was substituted in the second half of extra time Philippe, you'll know more about that perhaps.

Um, but he's just not looked on it all tournament.

Yeah, I mean, even Saliba, who's you know, he's had a fantastic tournament, been one of the probably one of the best centre-backs along with Pepe.

I think he does definitely deserves a word if this is maybe his last Euros game.

Um,

you just saw Ronaldo standing as a statue next to Ukraine Cano for pretty much the whole game.

And Saliba really almost had no one to, the only person who really got near Saliba was Bernardo Silva making runs.

So, there was almost no one to sort of defend against almost in this game.

So, as much as Portugal did sort of maybe have a bit more attacking impetus, it wasn't as if they were flying forward and creating chance after chance.

So yeah, not

a classic, let's put it that way.

No, I mean, I'm loath to do too much for Ronaldo Barry, but it's extraordinary that he wasn't taken off.

Johnny Lou saying almost 11 p.m.

local time and Ronaldo in grave danger of not hitting his daily step count.

Theodore asking, how annoyed will Gonzalo Ramos be when he's sitting on the Portugal bench aged 38, watching a 54-year-old Ronaldo get picked out of him?

Yeah,

he did nothing, offered very little.

Just before we get to him, I think Philippe's been a little bit harsh on France.

I thought Muani, Camovinga, and Dembele should all have scored.

I thought Dembele was great fun when he came on, and he went on one rampaging run through the middle and

beat a couple of players, and suddenly lost confidence and

played in Mbappe or someone else for the shot instead.

But

yeah, Ronaldo offered nothing.

He should have come off.

Roberto Martinez clearly,

you know, Ronaldo's the boss of him.

And then you can kind of understand the nearer it gets to penalties, the more likely it is, or the more reason there is to keep him on to take a penalty.

I was really hoping he'd miss, but he didn't.

But he has missed 30 penalties in his career.

Gonzalo Ramos has never, or Goncalo Ramos has never missed one.

So, you know,

he's only taken six, but he's never missed one.

There was a good moment in the first half when Portugal got a free kick, and we're all like, oh, Ronaldo at least get a touch here.

And even the director was like, well, Ronaldo is taking this.

I completely missed Bruno Fernandes taking the free kick.

On the subject of Ronaldo, we won't need much more on it, Barry.

You mentioned the storm you created by the clip of your analysis on his previous performance on TikTok and Instagram that you don't have.

And obviously, the best moment in the comments was from, you know, Vivanch 21 said, they don't even look like they can play.

Why criticize him to this point?

To which Pedro wrote, you clearly haven't heard the story about Barry's header, which

I very much enjoyed.

Toby says, why is no one slamming France harder for playing like this?

Just sitting back, absorbing, and then pumping it up forward with this squad.

I mean, it is a good point, Arch, isn't it?

With this squad.

I think the difference is when you've won playing a very similar way, one World Cup,

it does a lot for justifying

your means to the end.

But is this as I mean, sure, they haven't always been like this, have they?

I mean, I know they're not like in the Qatar, and I got they win it, but they got to the final, they were more interesting than this.

They were more interesting when they won it, weren't they?

Or is this just recency bias?

Do we notice it more when there are not as many teams who are looking that exciting in a tournament?

I wonder.

Maybe.

Because I remember it was still quite defensive under Deschamps.

I remember watching the semi-final against Belgium

in Russia and that being in the stadium.

And I remember that being quite a tight affair.

It's just the way that he goes about his business.

And he's always never really made any qualms about that, has Didier Deschamps.

The thing for me is actually,

I'd be more interested in Philippe's opinion on this.

Two of my best friends are French, and they are starting to recognize some signs of maturity from Usman Dembele in the way that he carries himself.

No way.

Is this

no way?

Just on the front, I think it was as much to do with him actually before Killian Mbappe spoke up about what's been happening in France recently.

Dembele actually tipped his toe into the water first in the press conference when no one had really been saying anything.

That was the majority of the the comment, but he's, yeah, he's, I don't know,

he does seem to be taking more sensible decisions on the pitch, at least from where I'm looking.

For a little bit longer.

Like, normally it would be about 2.7 seconds, and then he has a brain fry.

And he sends the ball to the wrong end of the pitch, or he forgets to shoot, or more often, he shoots over the bar and

clears it by quite a long distance.

So, I think the progress is now it's not 2.7, it's probably 3.2,

but the extra 0.5 seconds he uses to run a little bit further and beat another opponent, and the result is the same.

This being said, he took his penalty superbly, and it was the most difficult of them all.

And so, you know, praise be to Dembele.

And to be honest, that's the way it is.

You have to accept that's what you're going to get with him.

It's a mixed bag, and in a way, Deschamps is using him like a joker and in a way that is typical Deschamps, as in we're going to be so solid, we're going to be so horrible to watch.

And I count on my players who've got such talent to make the difference, which is what he does.

And appallingly, it works.

But to be honest, I mean, I can't take much more of that.

I'm sorry.

And I can't imagine how my Portuguese friends feel about it they already have a very complicated relationship with the french team with all that's happened in the past you know apart from 2016 all the you know 84 um 2000 2006 and and now this

um which must feel absolutely they must be absolutely gutted genuinely gutted I was going to say, you know, that French performance made sort of England look like Aussie Ardelez is Tottenham, but it didn't.

So, you know, but we'll get to that.

We'll get to that in part three.

Jonathan, you want to talk about Pepe?

I mean, there was that foot race with Turan, which was amazing, wasn't it?

Beautiful.

Yeah, I mean, that was what I was sort of going to say on this when you said, Max Dare, about the France squad, when you said like the quality, like

what quality

really is, like, besides Mbappe, like, I don't know if you've got like a 33-year-old Griezmann, a 37-year-old Giru, Kolumoani, hit and miss.

Barkle is a lovely talent.

I mean, yes, I include Dembele.

Yeah,

really as good as we sort of assume France really are.

I know they've got a depth of talent.

Did I emphasise this too much?

On this squad, I emphasized it too much.

You're right.

Maybe, but it just was to me, it was almost encapsulated by

that foot race between 41-year-old Pepe and Marcus Turam.

I really think Turam has been a massive disappointment in this tournament in the sense of like the expectation maybe around him to take the mantle of that sort of nine for France and maybe replace Giroux and he's just he's just not done it really to Ram and it was summed up in that moment when he like went on a 50 yard chase against Pepe and and somehow lost I couldn't but I couldn't really believe it to be honest and obviously Pepe embellished it and was sort of beating his chest and thumping it you know high five and everyone but you you've got to have a moment for Pepe really at 41 years old to still be doing it and it was a fantastic you know he made the made the tackle made the block like kept kept up with him you thought that was the end of the game really almost when it when you when they sort of started on that halfway line you're like this is game over but i thought to me that kind of encapsulated two rams tournament and it it just kind of summed up to me francis struggles in attack they're not quite there's just no one really with who's got that maybe that killer instinct that they they kind of kind of need and it did make me wonder i don't know uh why

maybe someone like Jiru hasn't been given any minutes at all or very few minutes in the tournament and Co-Man as well I feel sometimes like Co-Man I don't know if he deserves more minutes but

there may be something I'm missing there.

But yeah, with Pepe, you know,

he's played in so many tournaments.

You know, he's at times a bit of a sort of comic figure, but you have to admire that 41 years old being able to keep up with Twitter in that race.

And I think that kind of summed up

the character that he is in terms of what he's brought to these international tournaments over the years.

Are we allowed one more Ronaldo tweet that has come across my path

from Ryan D.

Pren?

It's like Ronaldo's booked the pitch and sorted everything, so you have to let him play.

It's a good point, isn't it?

Just a word on Mbappe, Philippe, and

the elections.

And he said it's an urgent situation when he was asked for his thoughts on the situation that saw the national rally win 33% of the popular vote in last weekend's first round.

We cannot let our country fall into the hands of these people.

It is pressing.

We saw the results.

It is catastrophic.

We really hope it's going to change, that everyone is going to rally together, go and vote and vote for the correct party.

In line

with his previous statements, perhaps more forceful, because it needed to be,

but very much in line with what we see happening in France at the moment, where there's been, I think, a sudden realization by many people that we were on the verge of something which could be really pretty nasty.

And there's been a big reaction, which is why, Max,

I'm hopeful for

Sunday.

And I think that's one way in which Kinan Mbappe has succeeded in his Euro, I think he's spoken very, very well indeed, even if he hasn't been able to deliver on the pitch because of the situation with his nose.

Basically, he hasn't slept.

That's the big problem.

That's the big problem, is that his breathing is so difficult.

And anybody who's had these kind of problems will empathize with him, I think, that

he's not fully fit.

and

he felt he couldn't carry on like that.

But no, he's assumed his role as French captain in a way which I think is totally in keeping

with what he's always been.

I mean, this young man has been groomed to become not just

French football star number one and captain, but perhaps future prime minister and president of the republic ever since he was a politician.

So he could have a real sway.

I mean, like,

loads of people.

I mean, the thing is that a huge problem is getting people to the polling station, as we've seen,

as we've seen in the United Kingdom, and we've seen in Britain, where, you know, there are loads of constituencies where only half of the people have gone to their polling station.

And unfortunately, it's young people who tend to feel totally disenfranchised.

And if you've got somebody like Kenyan Bappé, but also, you know, Marcus Turam will say it, and Aurelian Chuemini will say it as well.

Those young people, yes, they will feel, maybe they will ask themselves the right questions.

So

he's done very well and he's a very eloquent young man in those matters as well.

He hasn't,

I don't think he's overstepped his role

because I think we are at a moment where it's perfectly

legitimate for somebody who represents La République Française to speak for the Republic against the anti-Republicans.

So he's just doing his job as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, less importantly on no sleep,

I'm not getting a lot of sleep and I'm still knocking these podcasts out in the park.

tonight.

So, I don't know what Mbappe's got to worry about.

Frankly, Barry's face.

Yes, Barry's absolutely nothing there.

Absolute stony silence from Baz.

Cheers, mate.

Appreciate it.

Right, that'll do for part two.

We'll look ahead to tomorrow's games in part three.

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Welcome to part three of the Guardian Football Weekly.

So England, Switzerland, then Gareth Southgate's 100th game.

Will he see a 101st?

Jude Bellingham's allowed to play against Switzerland after being given a one-match suspended ban and fine for a gesture he made against Slovakia when he was saying hello to his friends and family.

The ban is suspended for a year and he's got to pay a fine of £25,000 and a half thousand pounds.

England going to a back three.

We think the starting lineup is Pickford in gold, Walker Stones, Conza, Trippier, and Saka as wing backs, as opposed to Trenton Alexander Arnold and Shaw, who's not fully fit.

Rice and Maynu behind two tens, Bellingham and Foden just holding hands together in the same place, and Harry Kane up front.

Barry, your thoughts?

My thoughts, right?

Well, I know, but Kyle Saka really doesn't like playing as a wingback, so that's not ideal.

I would say Kyle Walker's last game for England was probably his worst,

so

that's not ideal either.

I'll tell you what I was

very rice sceptic when he went to Arsenal for 105 million.

Then I changed my mind.

Then I saw him not do anything in two games against Byron Munich in the

Champions League and I was like, hmm, you know, that's kind of what he was brought in to do for

Arsenal, win games like that.

And

he hasn't impressed me at all in this tournament.

But, you know, he's obviously going to play.

I reckon England probably will beat Switzerland tomorrow, but whether they play four at the back or three at the back, I don't think it really makes much of a difference.

I was initially encouraged when I heard the reports, okay, Southgate is changing something.

This means that some sort of plan is being developed until I realized that he's literally just copying exactly the way that the Swiss play and is mirroring up to them and how they've been playing in this tournament, except that the Swiss have a plan, and everybody in the team knows what the plan is, and they've been able to play with some form of fluidity in this tournament.

And

whilst Baz correctly points out that Declan Rice has not been shining, nobody, having been in the stadium for two of these England games, nobody seems to know what the hell they are doing.

And I can hear the England players thinking when they get the ball, it's so painful to watch, and I'm kind of thinking, I'd like England to win this tournament, but then again, what would this enable if England won the tournament playing in this way?

And of course, there's still some way to go here, but for justifying this way of it's not even playing football, it's it's so bad.

I can't tell you how many comments I'm receiving from German friends and colleagues here who are just like, really?

With this team?

I mean, people are making comments in the UK, I would point out.

True.

It's not gone unnoticed here.

But I wonder, Jonathan, if Southgate has sort, I mean, he has said, I mean, after the game, there was a lot of, oh, you know, we were good, we improved.

He has said this week, look, we need to be better than we've been, and a sort of acceptance of that, which I think is quite good to hear.

And

maybe he's resting a bit on, look, keep it tight.

And we've got good players, and one of them might do something good at some point, a bit like last time.

I think a lot of this is going to come down to how Switzerland play because the way they dealt with the Italy game,

they were quite clinical in terms of taking their chances.

Although at times I felt they were, I'm going to completely contradict myself here.

In Bolo particularly, I thought it wasted a few chances.

There was that one way he was through and maybe he hit him offside, but he...

he kind of failed to score.

I think it's going to come down to can Switzerland finish those any chances they get.

I don't think they're going to get a huge amount of chances like they did against Italy where they really were comfortably better than them.

Italy obviously were lacking one California who one of the you know the main centre backs really.

I think it's going to be a little bit more pressure on Switzerland but they've been really good in this tournament.

England, this tournament's given me a sense that it's kind of there for the taking.

And although England aren't playing that well,

I'm not really convinced that anyone is, but maybe Spain.

You're starting to believe.

Are you starting?

You're about to put those three words together, John.

Don't do it.

Don't do it.

I'm tempted.

It might be the lack of food, but no, I think

I just think in

boil the carrots and shut up.

That's what we're all thinking.

In Bellingham, they have a player who can step up in those moments.

And I know that's a bit of a corny sort of cliche, but it's almost, that's all you kind of, I feel like that's almost kind of what you need in this tournament, really.

I don't think, as long as you're organised and

play

sort of conservatively and don't give away too many chances if you've got a difference maker like a Bellingham then sort of anything can happen.

But the Swiss are

a much better level of opponent to anyone that I think England have faced so far.

And from that point of view, they're in really good form.

I think Granite Shaker has just been sensational.

So that's going to be, I think Shakavi Rice will be a fun little sort of mini-battle in this game.

Obviously, his replacement.

So that should be a fun watch.

But

you like the two spider-men.

Yeah, pointing at Ajamine.

Philippe, how do you see it?

The 3-4-3-3-5-2, whatever formation

to copy the Swiss,

I think would probably lead to an England being even more negative than they have been so far.

There's a reason for that.

Is that because the Swiss play 3-4-3, but the three at the front are very aggressive.

They're high.

I mean, be it and Bolo and Vargas, they're bloody good as well.

They're in good form.

Physically, they look really fresh.

They have really good understanding behind

between them.

And I don't think that

you could imagine Gary Southgate thinking we're going to be three against three.

I mean,

no manager, no coach would have three against three at the back.

That's crazy.

It's a recipe for disaster.

So therefore, your wing backs are going to be pulling back and stay close to the three centre-backs, which means if you're hoping that Saka or Walker or whatever, or Trent Alexander Arnold on the right and and Saka on the left, are going to push.

So then there is no width.

So I sincerely hope he keeps it to a four at the back and beat a four, two, one, three, or four, three, three, whatever you want to call it.

But he brings actually players who can

do something on the wings, which is why people are screaming for Anthony Gordon, for example,

to just to try something.

But

I think the Swiss will prevail.

I mean, they're the better team.

They don't have the better individuals, but they are the better team by considerable distance.

I told you, I think Swiss for them is the road to the title for Switzerland, because they are now going to meet teams which are going to be so tired after they beat England, right?

you know, and they beat the Netherlands or whatever, what's left of the Netherlands.

And they're going to meet the other side of

other half of the draw.

They're going to be knackered,

absolutely shattered by the time they meet the Swiss.

Unless it's the English, of course.

Swiss winning it would be quite good, I guess.

I mean, I'd obviously like to win, but if they don't, I'll take it.

Quick one on the Netherlands turkey, Barry.

The Turkey defender Mary Demerel has been given a two-match ban for the wolf salute, a gesture associated with the far-right group Grey Wolves that's linked with Turkey's National Movement Party and their win over Austria.

Obviously, he scored twice in that game.

So three players missing for Turkey.

Tanaloglu's back.

How do you see this one, Baz?

I don't really know, if I'm honest.

I mean, Demeral

wasn't a starter for Turkey until the last game, as far as I know.

He should have just grabbed his crotch to greet his friends, and he'd have got a suspended ban.

The Netherlands have been pretty good, but Memphis de Pay is,

you know, he spent quite a lot of his time at Manchester United flattering to deceive, and he's doing it here again.

And

I think I'd quite like Turkey to win this game, but

yeah, again,

it's just another one, hard one to call.

Oh, for my sleep pattern, please, no.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of Turks, it'd be great in Berlin, won't it, this game?

Right, just a couple of things.

I tweeted some nonsense.

Interesting stat.

Every player at this Euros has played for Watford at some point, which is just feels like.

It doesn't every single time they go the former Watford man, to which somebody tried to make it a community note.

Thanks for Fergus for pointing this out.

Somebody wrote, obviously not true, while it may be a joke, he's a journalist with 330,000 followers and this can be taken seriously.

But fortunately, Ferguson other people replied to the community note and they said you've helped a community note reach a status of not helpful.

So there you are.

So my joke got to stand, however bad it was.

And just on politics, and we tried to avoid the election because I think there are probably other podcasts for politics that you may have listened to before you came to this.

You say we tried to avoid it, Max.

We literally got Keir Starmer over the line.

Well, well, I mean, there is that, obviously, without that, without that.

And

if you don't get Irmine or a knighthood at Christmas, I'll be very upset.

I've been made minister for

I've been made minister for microwaves already, Barry, didn't you know?

You should be Mr.

Speaker.

Anyway, Omar Chowdhury did all this research.

Well, what he found was, because he was looking at last season, not one football club in a constituency that is represented now by the Tories.

Not one football club in the league.

Professional.

In the 92, yeah.

In 2019, in League One and League Two, 58% of clubs won constituencies that voted Tory.

Meanwhile, two independents are in the Champions League, but Bromley, who went up to League Two,

their Tories stayed in by 302 votes.

So it will be fun all season for all fans of all other clubs when Bromley come to town to call them big old Tories.

Anyway, you may vote for who you like, of course.

But yeah, well done to us for cementing the super mega majority or whatever it is.

But

we show no side on this.

I don't think we do anyway.

We do in private, man.

We do in private.

And, you know, thank God a lot of those people aren't representing us anymore.

But anyway, that'll do for today.

Thank you, Philippe.

Thank you very much, Max.

Thank you, Barry.

Thank you, Max.

Thank you, Archie.

Thanks, Max.

It's quarter to midnight, Jonathan.

Oh, please make your dinner.

Thank you, sir, Max.

Thank you, sir.

I mean, there's Spanish people out there who've had their dinner by now.

Exactly.

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