Alligator 2, with Holly Chou

This is Free with Ads, the podcast that asked the question: why pay $300 for tickets to the gathering of the juggalos when you can go online for free and watch a movie where an alligator eats a clown, which is something that almost certainly will happen at this year's gathering of the juggalos.

I'm Jordan Morris, and I'm Emily Fleming.

Today's movie is Alligator 2: The Mutation, a movie that exposes the shady worlds of toxic waste dumping and secret millionaire wrestling restaurants.

With us, as always, is the super producer, the He Freak Matt Lee, pitting us with those swampy ass drops.

Otis was my friend, David.

He didn't deserve to be a toothpick.

Oh, poor Otis.

Poor Otis.

Poor Otis.

My best friend was eaten by a giant alligator.

Honestly, I knew you were going to do something with that clip.

I mean, how could you not?

The my best friend didn't deserve to be a toothpick.

It's like amazing line.

I haven't got the classic old man voice.

When a high school kid has to be old in a play, they use this voice.

But i I think it's because of that actor because you see that guy in a lot of stuff he pops up maybe he was the first old guy he might have been yeah the first man to go old guy the first old man happened in 1991

um we're gonna talk about alligator 2 um it's gonna be fun uh but this is an exciting episode uh

for many reasons more than just the fact that we're talking about alligator 2 the mutation the sequel to alligator um it's extra special exciting because we have an amazing guest an actor who you've seen in babes and the big sick whose voice you've heard in blue eyed samurai mighty morph and power rangers read as rewind and as jubilee in x-men 97 holly chow hi holly

thank you for being here we're all fans um

yeah we're gonna act like total dorks during the whole yeah yeah sorry to embarrass ourselves

not me i'm cool yeah that's cool um thank you for watching alligator 2 which we will get to but first we want to talk to you our amazing guest, in a segment we call Talk to Guest.

Talk to Guest.

Okay.

Holly, X-Men 97.

So we've chatted a little bit about this.

Before you got the role as Jubilee, like you, you're, you know, you are, you are close to our age, closer to our age.

You watched the show as a kid

before you

became on it.

100%.

That's so cool.

Like most of my castmates in the new cast.

Yeah.

Yeah, we grew up with it.

Dorks,

obsessed with Rogue.

And

could you do a top three X-Men?

We'll exclude Jubilee or all-time?

Let's say from the show.

Okay.

We'll exclude Jubilee because we're doing characters or are we doing episodes?

Okay, we're doing characters.

Yeah.

Top three characters.

Killer.

Let's go around the table and do this.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, go.

Okay, gotta be rogue.

Yep.

And then from specifically from X-Men 97, even though it's the same actor, they treat Nightcrawler very differently in X-Men 97 than in animated series.

Okay.

So Nightcrawler from 97 specifically.

Gosh, in the 90s, it was definitely Gambit.

I mean, it's not Gambit now, but I gotta talk about Morph.

You know,

Morph is the two characters that I think most people recognize have gotten a glow up or like being treated right, you know, being represented properly in 97 are Jubilee and Morph.

And I fully agree.

Like Morph and Jubilee, they're both more, more powerful and use their powers in more interesting ways.

They've grown.

They've got interesting character development things.

The drama in their lives, you know?

It's a really interesting thing to watch.

I want to talk a little bit about your video game work.

As we mentioned, you are in the Power Rangers video game.

Something I've, when I've talked to video game actors in the past, they talk about

the challenge of doing efforts.

It's just like, so there's the dialogue.

There's like, you know, oh no, we got to get out of here.

But then there's just like, you got to make 10 different punching noises.

Yep.

Punch to the torso, to the upper chest, to the belly.

That's a gut shot.

That's the side of the head.

This is a jaw thing.

This is, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're getting punched in the throat.

It's them just listing places you're getting punched.

And it's located in a different place.

So every one of those is a different effort.

Right.

And like getting shot is different than getting stabbed or, you know, being blown up is different than falling off a cliff, you know.

How do you, do you prep for efforts?

Is there like a day where it's like, okay, we did the dialogue, now it's just grunting?

Yeah, it depends.

I will try to stack it on a Friday.

So it depends on how many sessions you're doing.

If you're only in for one session, yeah, like stack your efforts at the end of the session, you know, at the end of your two hours or whatever.

There was recently one video game where I think I was in like Monday through Friday and I had said, can we stack it all on Friday?

And they were like,

it's quite a few lines.

So I think rather than run yourself ragged all on the the Friday, maybe we just do like the last 15 minutes of each day this week.

We'll, we'll do it there.

Um, and I defer to them and I think that worked.

Can I ask you a question about the efforts?

Do you look at old episodes of Power Rangers to try to like get inspiration?

Because it's like they've, you know, they got shot by things, but the bullets never went pierced action.

Actually, for Power Rangers, for Arita's Rewind specifically, there aren't, it's not a very dialogue-heavy game and there aren't a whole lot of efforts.

I think it was just, this one was not a go-in to studio one.

This one was like record at home.

And I think it was like 25 lines or something, like probably including efforts.

And it might have just been like,

you know, one where you're making the effort, like you're throwing a punch or throwing a kick, one where you're getting impacted, and they might do like small, medium, large, like in terms of the injury.

And that's, you know, maybe it.

It was very different than, you know, a game, you know, that game where I spent a week and, um, you know, it wasn't just

efforts in terms of getting hurt and noises and things like that, but it was sort of like anguished talking or

long exclamations or things like that.

Yeah.

Do you ever, do you ever go method in order to get a shot?

I mean, shoot myself in the foot in order to do stuff like getting shot.

Yeah.

I have a wizard shoot me with a beam.

Yeah.

And then I go, whoa!

Like, do you ever just like, okay, quick, punch me in the stomach?

That's technically not as useful as you would think it would be because that generates so much other noise.

And I will tell you why I know that, because in college, there was somebody who had written a play and there were some pre-recorded things like dialogue with somebody who's off, you know, where the audience is.

And so they were recording these things.

And it was just, you know, in a classroom, in an empty classroom, we'll just do the record thing.

And there was one about like my character, I think, getting bullied or something and thrown into a locker or whatever.

And I was like, I'll just, you know, kind of ram into this wall just to like make that effort.

But the sound of me hitting the wall was so much louder than my vocalization.

Somebody asked the same thing about like do you ever chew gum when jubilee is supposed to be chewing gum and again tech that's technically not as helpful um there's there's a union gum chewing guy who comes in

a steam whistle blows and then every all the gum chewers go on bricks right yeah exactly they punch out ironically they do not chew gum on their bricks they just go yeah exactly that's something funny about the gum chewing union um like so so like you you have maybe gotten to experience with this stuff like like you've gotten to meet various fandoms Are the X-Men fans like especially intense?

I wouldn't say especially intense, but also, to be fair, I, you know, my, my, my canon is not that large.

Like, I'm castmates with people who are in freaking everything, you know?

They have like 20 characters all over their banners and things like that and on their tables.

I, my biggest one, my most fandom-having

character is is Jubilee.

You know, there's Power Rangers, but I

that's not as much part of my table yet, both because the game sort of just came out and a lot of people haven't had a chance to play it yet, but also that's not how I'm being billed at most of the conventions that I've gone to.

It's really all about Jubilee at the moment.

A game that came out

last year,

it's one of the Yakuza games.

That has started to have some people ask for signatures from that character.

But I will say that x-men fans are very special and that's but you know i can't be objective about that because i am one right that's where i'm i'm coming from i'm very special so they all must be very special right um

and and i and i understand the things that they're talking about if somebody were coming to to to talk uh you know big into like a dragon yakuza i i don't think i have as much of a basis to share that with them from this side of the table um even though i like it and i obviously had fun and i think that the game that i'm in is great and that the character that i got to play is great, and the, you know, the side karaoke game that I got to sing was great.

But as far as the lore and all of that stuff, I'm not as

in the know.

You had to sing for this game?

I did.

Wow.

You got to sing.

Like a Butterfly, which is an in-universe game.

It's an established game in that Yakuza Like a Dragon universe.

But

yeah, the characters have this side karaoke game, and I did have to sing.

And

yeah, they um I think when I watch gameplay on YouTube or whatever I can hear parts where they've auto-tuned it because I didn't know the song that well and they they they were like well that's you know we'll we'll just mush it to like yes the correct I do this on this podcast all the time

that adds funny stuff all of this is going to end up being to the tune of Uptown Girl

that's a huge billy joke

yeah they you know, for that, I don't know how it works, you know, if there's a consistency or a standard across games.

For this one, they did not, you know, like in a musical theater thing, have give you a musical director and have you rehearse it and learn the song and those things.

They basically sent me

the instrumental, the Japanese original version.

And that actor, the original Japanese VO, turns out, is a pop singer.

So

she can sang, sang.

You know, I can carry a tune.

But yeah, they sent the English lyric sheet and and I think they sent a scratch track of like somebody singing it sort of where the the syllables go

and then uh yeah I went in and they

had planned a session a recording session just for the song I forget how long it was maybe it was like four hours or something like that

and I'm like I've never been to a session where they used all four hours it'll be fine and I should have saved more like I kind of blew out my I didn't blow out my voice in the beginning but four hours is a long time to be singing.

I did take the I did take the bloom off of my voice, maybe, uh, by going kind of hard in the beginning of the session, and I really should have let it settle in, kind of figure out how the session was gonna go and how that was all gonna go before I,

you know, went all out.

Okay, we got the song now.

You were getting kicked in the knee 30 times.

Oh, boy.

Exactly.

This is, so this is real cool.

When, when, when I reached out and asked about this pod, you were like, oh, it's really cool that you guys have done alligator and frogs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you like an animal's attack movie?

I do.

I didn't always.

And I wasn't, I don't think of my, I'm definitely not somebody who seeks out horror, but the fun

of it has, you know, I've sort of come around on that in the last, I don't know, decade or so.

I like cold check.

I like practical effects and rubber suits and like,

you know, the stuff that makes it fun.

And then something like frogs is just so bizarre that it's got Ray Miland Miland and Sam Elliott.

Like a young, super hot

giggle.

And it's got this environmental, you know, message.

And it's not just frogs.

It's also the lizards and the greenhouse.

There's barely any frogs in frogs.

Not a lot of frogs in frogs.

Microgigga frogs.

Not enough frogs.

Well, yeah.

So we watched Alligator One a few months back for this show.

I think we watched it because I don't think any of us had ever heard of it, but like there were these clips that Emily was sending us from TikTok of the alligator.

That's so funny because I only had watched alligator before because I rented a room from Robin Riker, who plays the herpetologist.

Oh, cool.

Like in 2021,

I think it was 2021.

I was shooting

a TV show called Players about a fictional League of Legends team.

It was by the same creators as American Vandal.

And so I was local hire.

So I was in LA for like two months.

And

I think the first portion of that, I was subleting my friend's apartment while she was on her honeymoon.

And then after that, I went looking at like, you know, the different posting things for actors and whoever who are looking for places.

So I ended up renting the sort of apartment attached to the house that

she and her

husband, her cinematographer husband have.

And they were lovely people.

Oh my God.

that's so cool.

Was there a frogs poster in the house?

And you were like, what the hell is this?

It was alligator.

Oh, they're from alligator.

This is the world's hottest herpetologist.

Right, right, right, right, right, right, yeah.

To this day.

Yep.

Yeah, she had posters for alligator.

I don't know if she had a poster for alligator.

I think there was, but there was definitely a poster for

shoot, what is it called?

There are too many similarly themed movies, but it was like...

Crocodile?

No, step.

Stepmother.

Step monster.

It's not step monster.

Ranaconda.

But it's one where, like, the stepmother is an alien, and she plays, and Alan Thick is the dad, and then she is the hot, young

stepmom.

Now, they reveal in the last episode of Growing Pains that Alan Thick was an alien the whole time.

I'm worried now that I'm conflating things, and it's not Alan Thick, but it's definitely her.

So that is so cool.

Is that why you watched it?

Yeah, well, I was talking to them.

I would chat with them.

They're lovely, lovely people, and I would play with their dog, and I would chat with them.

And I think they said at one point that

either the DVD was in there in the apartment, and I just like watched it, or we talked about it somehow, and they loaned me the DVD.

But anyway, I watched the DVD, and it was great.

It's so good.

I mean,

the way they make that alligator look enormous.

They made the sets tiny and all that stuff.

Boy, this movie couldn't be bothered.

Not a lot of that.

Not a lot of.

Yeah, I wouldn't say this movie has a lot of effort in it.

It's not more alligator.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, we barely.

A lot of eye.

A lot of alligator eyeballs.

Get some voice actors in here to do some efforts because this movie...

Yep, yep.

I got it.

Yeah, yeah, it's a callback.

So let's talk about this thing.

The alligator.

It is

Animals Attack August, you guys.

Thank you for that.

Thank you for reminding us.

It's the first time ever doing this, and I hope we do it every year.

That's right.

There are so many movies about animals fucking people up.

Yep.

And we need to watch them.

And that's why we made this.

We made something?

What?

You mean you made something?

Animals hack August.

Yeah!

Was that a dinosaur roar at the end?

No, it's a Godzilla.

That was a Godzilla roar.

Wow.

I was thinking dinosaurs because some of the

goat noises or whatever reminded me of when they feed the T-Rexen.

That's right.

We have a deep, deep love for Godzilla, especially Godzilla 1998

and a song from it.

That's right, right.

Oh, come with me.

No.

No, Brainstew, Godzilla.

Brainstew.

Because Brainstew,

the roar from Godzilla makes the song better.

Like, it's so good.

I agree.

So we are a fan.

Yeah, let's talk about Alligator 2, the mutation.

It starts out with a logo for the film and the sound effect, done, done.

For a microsecond, I'm like, is this Law and Order?

Yeah.

Is this in the Law and Order universe?

It is not, unfortunately.

I got to be honest, it might as well have been that.

Yeah, well, no iced tea.

No, it was all about the

city corruption and all that stuff and not about alligators.

So yeah, and a cop who literally knows everyone's name.

He's a man of the people, don't you see?

He is.

Yeah.

Solo, lobo.

I've never met a man.

I've just never met a man who knows everyone's name.

Right.

There are only seven people in this town, so it wasn't that hard.

I think I just know a lot of men who don't remember my name.

Hey, sport.

We've been dating for five months.

Hello, wife.

Stop calling me kiddo.

Partner.

Here's the twist.

He doesn't remember their names.

He has, like, he has it all written down, and then he pulls it out when he sees them so that he can pretend that he is a man of the people.

Yep.

So we start out.

Some sewer guys are doing a job for a mafia guy.

They're dumping stuff in the sewer.

They're sewer guys.

They're being watched over by a mafia guy or a real estate guy who the fuck knows right he's a little guy he's a little guy um this is vinny or something he's the bad guy um i did wonder why he was there because if you're gonna hire goons to do your work for you isn't the point to keep your own to stay away from it that's an amazing point it's like yeah right that's why you would hire blue-collar guys to do this is so no one can connect you to it but you just hang around and watch them right he just didn't want to do the manual labor but he's totally fine if everybody knows it was him i got nothing else to do tonight He also didn't bother to like scrub the name off of future chemicals, off of the like the barrels, so maybe he doesn't care.

He's like, come for me.

You can't do anything, man.

He's just kink, like watching people do his dirty work.

Yeah, dump my chemicals.

My lawyer keeps yelling at me because I keep signing my name on stuff that is illegal.

Finally, the mafia voice we love to do makes sense.

We can do it.

We can do it and it makes sense.

Because there's a guy who kind of talks like this in the movie.

Did you notice that of the goons, by the way?

I'm totally derailing this.

That's totally beautiful.

But did you notice that of the goons,

one of them is actually concerned about what the chemicals are going to do to the environment?

It's a goon with a conscience.

Indeed.

We love that.

And he immediately gets slapped down for that.

So he horns this place.

So we have some, we go to some fishing guys.

They're fishing, and they get killed by alligator.

They were hunting, and now they are the hunted.

How ironic.

I think it's good that we point out that this movie is taking place in the exact same place as the first movie, but it's, I guess, 11 years later or whatever, and they don't know anything about the alligator from the first movie.

You'd figure that would be like the talk of the town for generations.

You think they'd string them up and like make a taxidermy thing at their natural history museum?

You'd think they would have put a sign in the area where that happened.

All that stuff happened in 11 years ago.

Yeah.

Yes, how quickly we forget when an alligator kills a bunch of people in our city.

Yeah, it's like the White Walkers, but it's not hundreds of years later.

It's like literally 11 years later.

And yeah, so the first movie took place in air quotes Chicago, clearly LA.

This movie is also air quote Chicago, clearly LA.

It's even more clearly LA this time.

They're like near Silverlake.

Angeline drives by.

You can see the Hollywood sign in most of the shows.

There's only like two places that they go.

Yeah, this is a very cheap movie.

This movie, like they had, they had Echo, they rented Echo Park to shoot in for two days and then just like a guy's house, their friend's house.

But they hired the mom from E.T., which

she's like, if I saw her and I went, okay, this is a quality product.

Right.

This is where all the money went.

She worked with Spielberg.

Right.

E.T.

mom, and then they're like, well, we're going to have to cut down on all the alligator scenes.

Yeah.

We can have them off from E.T., but no alligator.

Yeah.

That's the conversation.

But Spielberg is used to that too.

There you you go.

That's very true.

Right.

And aren't all of these just jaws rip off?

So it is kind of fitting.

Including Jurassic Park.

Oh, yeah.

Yep, yep, yep.

Yep.

The man will rip himself off.

So we got the alligator, killed some guys.

We won't see that alligator for a long time.

Long time.

A long time.

But then we go to El Solo Lobo, the lead of the film.

He's a cop.

You know how I knew he was a cop?

Because he's just got guns and handcuffs laying around in his house.

He like wakes up and tries to slap off his alarm clock and has to move a gun.

Like you do.

Yeah, like you do.

If that's a joke, that is like legitimately hilarious.

But if that is just them going, like, how will we know he's a cop?

Put a gun.

And have his wife pretend stage a home invasion.

Like, pretend it's a home invasion for his birthday.

That was wild.

So, yes, so this is what happens.

Okay, buckle up.

So it is,

so he's a cop.

He's called El Solo Lobo, the lone wolf.

With a cake topper to match.

With a cake topper.

to match.

What's a cake topper?

So he goes downstairs.

His wife and son have made this birthday video for him.

Kind of a horny one, too.

A little horny.

Incredibly horny.

And it's like, I know.

I was like, get the kid out of there.

And shaming.

They're both like, both the mom and the kid are shaming him in his own birthday bedroom.

Working too much.

It's the 90s, and it's a dad in a movie, so he has to work too much.

All 90s dads worked too much.

And they're going like, it's your birthday.

Don't work too much.

We want to see you.

And then the mom makes some horny remarks and they leave a cake for him.

By the way, I was positive they were leading up to a thing of the mom and son are dead and he just watches this every year.

No, they legitimately did that.

Oh,

you mean like minority reports style?

Yes, that's what I thought was happening.

No, he just, this legitimately happened.

And he has, as Holly mentioned, a cake that says like happy birthday, El Solo Lobo.

And on top of the cake is a wolf shooting a gun.

What do you have to say?

A wolf in a copy.

In a cop uniform.

What do you say to the guy at the bakery?

So, happy birthday.

Great.

We got that.

We do that a lot.

And we also need a wolf in a cop outfit shooting a gun.

And they have it.

It's on top of the copy.

And a cake for a gay wedding.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean that.

Oh, sorry.

I know it's 19, 91.

I can't do that.

I'll do the cop gun wolf.

That cop gun wolf is multi-purpose.

So, like, it would fit in at any gay wedding.

That's true.

Peace of the street wedding.

An icon.

Yes.

And I think any wedding.

That would be so funny.

Hopefully, yes.

Yes.

Listen, if

the next person in here to get married, you have to have a cop gun wolf on the top of your cake.

It just has to happen.

So fucking wild.

So, yeah, dad works too much.

And then before the video cuts off, did you get this?

Mom says, see you later, alligator.

I did catch that.

I did catch that.

The movie's good.

We love the movie.

Love it.

Also, but aside from establishing that he works too much

and doesn't see his family,

El Solo Lobo also establishing that he does not work with partners.

He works alone, including in his own family and home life.

Yes.

But this is kind of interesting.

El Solo Lobo has to open up.

This is his arc, I guess.

I guess maybe the movie has some screenwriting in it.

He opens himself up not to just a rookie partner, but he teams up with his wife.

So they're trying to figure out who killed the who killed the fisherman in the park.

And his wife works at a a science lab.

So they send her all the like, you know, blood or whatever.

And she works in the most science-ass science lab.

It's beakers.

Titrating,

it's beakers with colored water.

It's Bunsen burners.

It's like this.

This is like what a kid thinks science is.

Bubbling titration tube when that's not how you distill things.

Oh, so you had some issues with the science now.

Yes, the science of alligator tube bothers me.

Not the science of the alligator, but the science in the lab.

Right.

That's true.

And the phrase amino acids oh my god isn't that just like a face moisturizer like what the fuck is that but i um i think we do kind of have a love for bad uh labs like bad labs street fighter there was a pretty fun little lab

with just like you know gatorade yeah it's like jell-o-shots and tubes pretty much gatorade saline drips yeah they were giving to blanca

um you need a mad scientist lab otherwise how will you know that there's science happening yes

otherwise how will you know when it's time to do the monster man?

There you go.

Sure, yes.

Where will you work late one night

if you don't have a lab?

And he does.

Speaking of working late one nights, didn't she say in the video, like, oh, we're, the reason we have to do this by video is because you were, you're, you know, you work nights and you're always asleep and we're awake and etc.

But then he goes to work and it's daytime.

Yep.

Yeah.

I know.

It is so right.

I mean, yeah, he goes to work at noon.

And then he, okay, so he goes out to like Echo Park where most of this movie happens.

Yeah.

There's he's like talking to this woman who, so there's these rich developer guys, Vinny from the opening.

Yeah.

They're trying to like use the alligator attack to like drive out the like the like in like immigrant population so they can buy it all up.

P.S.

This movie, good politics.

Yeah, weirdly.

This movie has weirdly great politics.

It is like, yeah, it is like woke.

Yeah, yeah, it's a woke movie about alligators.

Hey, 19, it's the wokest movie of 1991.

Alligators doing gentrification.

Yeah.

So he's like, he's kind of talking to this woman who's being displaced by all the rich owner guys.

And her kid throws a beach ball in the water.

It gets eaten by the alligator.

The kid is like traumatized.

They all run up to him.

He's like crying.

And they all stop what they're doing and just run to this kid whose ball got eaten.

And the detective says, I want to make sure I get it right.

He says, so the kid's like, Man,

and he goes, have a stick of gum, it'll make you feel good.

Have a stick of gum, it'll make you feel good.

But wasn't he chewing gum to try to keep himself from smoking cigarettes?

Oh, because that kid guilted him about that, too, in the birthday video.

That's right.

This has an anti-smoking message.

Yeah, he was really chewing cud with that.

Like, he was like walking around smoking, like, not smoking, smacking the gum.

And I was like, oh my God, is he going to be smacking gum through this whole movie?

And then he offered the gum to the kid, and I'm like, like was that nicotine gum

but my favorite thing about that scene is I mean

three days exactly we're used to alligator one where the gator was enormous like the size of a street

and this the ball looked too big for its mouth yep right this was just a a normal sized even yeah just an alligator in a pond i would say the gator's size fluctuates that's true that is true they are inconsistent about the size Yeah, maybe it was a different time in the alligator's cycle.

There was like, you know, you might be right.

You might be right.

Yeah, he's

evolving and then went into like waiting.

Yeah.

Anyway, so he gets home super late.

His wife is mad.

She's wearing a dress.

She has passive, aggressively overcooked his dinner.

He has, okay, she gives him, she gives him this like burnt-ass steak.

Which is how most dads from that 90s era eat their steaks.

Yeah, well done with ketchup.

Yeah,

that is a 1991 dad steak.

And the steak is gross looking, but even worse is the awful potato she gives him.

It's just a raw potato cut in half.

I had no side salad?

No, yeah.

I'm pretty sure raw potato is poisonous.

Can't you just not eat a raw potato?

Maybe she's trying to kill him.

Green potatoes are poisonous, but you can't actually eat raw potatoes.

I had a stage manager once who, like, there were potatoes peeled as a prop, and she would just eat them like apples.

Wow.

Like, wild.

Yeah.

That's a thing you do.

Well, that's a thing.

Maybe she was getting violently ill at home every night and we just didn't see it.

But well, they say that, like, I just looked it up recently because I'm like trying to eat better.

Potatoes have a lot of nutrients in there.

They're actually very fucking good for you.

They're very nutritious.

I'm going to be eating a lot of baked potatoes lately.

Not going to poop for a while.

And I think that's okay.

Yeah.

It's self-care.

Yeah.

Eating potatoes and not poofing.

Pooping is self-care.

Poofing.

Poofing.

That's what I call it when I poof.

Because it comes out as a little cloud.

Just dust.

As a wee cloud.

So, okay.

So then, so he's like looking, his wife's mad at him, and he goes off to keep finding the alligator.

In a trench coat.

In a trench coat.

As, yeah, as you mentioned, he knows everybody in town, and there's this hard cut.

He is beloved by everybody in the world.

He is beloved by everyone in the town.

El Solo Lobo.

Everyone loves him.

There's this hard cut of him leaving his house to him dancing with the odor of a taco truck.

It's the hardest cut.

It just goes from him walking out to him dancing with this woman who's loving it dancing mudley why are all the good men married something like that yeah why are all the good men el solo lobo

they're all married gay or el solo lobo why is el solo lobo not el lobo single

the amount of like chicano representation in this movie i after a while i was like just be in la

it was so strange to me because it's like he's dancing at taco trucks he's going to echo park he's meeting with uh

what was the name, the Crazies?

Oh, crazy boys, we have.

Let's talk about this.

We'll come back to the restaurant.

They should have been in the Warriors.

Yeah, I know.

Or West Side Story.

So he interviews.

So, okay, so in the park, he's like looking for more alligator clues, and this group of this group of street toughs

approaches him.

And I'm like, and in my mind, I'm like, okay, well, here's where the movie becomes putrid, right?

Like, here's where the movie fucks up.

No.

Nope.

The street, these street toughs, he believes them.

He wants to help them.

They're the good guys.

And you can see it briefly when they turn around, their jackets all say, the crazy boys.

It's the best gang name.

I think their logo is a skull with two hockey sticks.

It's yes.

Well, recall too that their

sort of introduction is

he's smoking and he lights a cigarette for the gang.

One of the crazy boys.

He like he won't smoke himself, but he will will put a cigarette to his lips and then put it in his mouth.

Yeah.

That's how much he respects the crazy boys.

That's such a funny, like, first-thought gang name that a 50-year-old white guy wrote.

Yeah.

I just, well, not to, again, derail, but we're both doing Cape and CowellCon, which we'll talk about later.

But I saw today a post that one of the vendors for like food is, I think it's called Hot Boys.

Oh, Hot Boy.

That is.

I've had the Hot Boys.

If you're in the Bay Area and you want a great chicken sandwich, it's called the hot boys.

Is it super spicy?

It's very spicy.

Now, where are the fuck boys?

I'm going to need their truck.

They're everywhere.

They are everywhere.

But I need them in a truck.

I need a site of slaw.

Yeah, exactly.

Check the free clinic for all the fuck boys.

Thank you.

So, okay.

So he's, so kind of in between him meeting the crazy boys and dancing with the woman who owns a taco truck, he goes to check out.

I don't know why he knows how to go here.

Who cares?

He goes to this restaurant that the rich developer guys all own.

They call it a country club.

Right.

And inside this fancy restaurant is wrestling.

And we just watch 15 minutes of wrestling.

It's a long time.

And so

one of the other characters in this is like the mayor's daughter.

And she's a real like lefty bleeding heart type.

And she's like on the trail too.

And she like goes to the wrestling restaurant and she's disgusted with it.

Because her dad is there, because her dad is in league.

The mayor is in league with the corrupt democracy.

That makes sense.

I just thought she didn't like wrestling.

She's just anti-wrestling.

Yeah, I think that doesn't know it's fake.

Her old dad, she's like, you should be eating egg whites and checking your blood sugar.

Like, I don't know.

That's what I'm doing.

What are you doing in this house of ill repute?

Exactly.

Watching men hitting each other with folding chairs.

Those are for sitting.

Sitting.

I gotta say, in Nashville, when like 2000, I guess, nine or whatever, there was kind of a thing going on in Nashville at the fairgrounds where they were putting, they created their own MMA kind of league.

And it was the guy who owned like a bunch of restaurants in Nashville.

And I got to waitress, cocktail waitress, at the MMA thing at the fairgrounds.

Wow.

That was a wild scene.

It was fun, but the opening entertainment was eight-year-old boys fighting each other.

Oh, my.

That actually sounds kind of chill.

I think I would watch that.

Because they were were trying to promote, like, they had opened all these, like, places to train and stuff.

They were trying to start their own league, so kids were there.

And so we're just watching kids beat each other up.

Pound energy drinks.

Was there any kind of form to this?

It was wrestling or it wasn't.

No, it was MMA.

They were in MMA.

There was a kid.

Bare knuckle boxing between eight-year-olds.

Yes.

Yes.

Fisticuffs.

Yes.

They dipped their hands in glass like in Kickboxer.

And their dads were kind of on the side going, ah, you know.

Yeah.

Those MMA dads.

Yes.

Yeah, so this kind of reminded me of that of like rich men who are like, I want to pay for this independent thing to watch men beat the shit out of each other.

There is so much wrestling in this movie.

I'm just like, am I still watching wrestling in this movie?

It was sponsored by it had to have been, right?

Yeah.

Man, they didn't even wrestle the alligator.

That would have been so cool.

That would have been great.

He should have busted into that place.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

So many cool things could have happened.

My guess.

My guess was that it was originally stripping.

and they were like, we want to keep our PG rating.

And so this is.

Is this movie PG?

It's got to be.

That's really funny.

Let's see.

That is a very good question.

And that would explain why it's so boring, but I doubt it.

I would say that's it.

But I don't think PG-13.

No, it had started because it was Temple of Doom that really started PG-13.

Oh, is that the first PG-13 movie?

Yeah.

So Alligator 2 is PG-13, according to Google.

But I think you're right in the stripping would have given it an R.

It would have given an R.

Definitely.

I mean, I got to say,

it's shot in 1991, but it looks like it is shot in 1975.

Yeah.

Like the quality of this video.

It looks the worst thing.

It's direct to video.

100%.

They had no illusions about where it was going here.

Oh, it never made it to the theaters.

I lost the intention.

I like the idea that they even filmed it direct to a VHS tape.

Yeah.

You know, they taped over someone's vacation video.

Yeah, this is the ring.

Some of the vacation still remains in the movie.

You can still see someone's trip to Tampa.

At the end of this movie, you get a phone call that says seven days.

Oh, no.

You will wrestle an alligator in seven days.

Oh, cool.

Sweet.

That sounds awesome.

So, okay, so the mayor's daughter, she's like on to this, and she goes to the police precinct to like complain.

And that's when she meets like the rookie.

This is El Solo Lobo's.

Well, she meets the rookie in the bathroom.

Right.

Yeah, there's this kind of thing where El Solo Lobos.

The rookie's being hassled, being bullied by his other copy.

Yeah.

So they already kind of like know each other, but then she goes and the rookie, this part is fucking wild.

So she, she's like storming out, and he's like, hey, you have such tight pants.

Oh, my God.

I forgot about that.

You got a great backyard.

Anybody ever tell you you got a great backyard?

So he says that.

That sounds hairy.

And she is into it.

Loves it.

Yeah.

That fucking works.

You hurt you.

And then it like hard cuts to them at a bar.

And then he's doing this dramatic monologue about his dad.

It's dad hitting him.

Yeah.

And she loves that.

Yeah, it works.

She kisses him.

It's probably that.

She's like, oh, you told me I have a great backyard and you have baggage about your abusive dad.

Nobody's ever told me I have to.

Oh, she dumped it at him.

You like my dirt cutter?

And you have unresolved trauma with your parents?

Yeah, that was such a bummer.

I'm like, God, damn, that would kill it for me.

Anytime I go on a a date and someone like gives me the

dumping of emotional baggage, I'm like, third date, third date.

Yeah, yeah, and then kind of dabble do it.

Don't like do a whole big one at once.

First date is for eating the surf and turf.

Eating the surf and turf.

Second date is for trauma.

I know.

Is that a terrible thing?

Eating is the surf and turf.

Is that another word for the turf?

No, I'm talking about you go out of the front and the back.

They're talking about red lobster and shrimps.

These guys are disgusting.

Literally talking about red lobster.

Which word is that?

Turf.

That's the turd cutter.

I mean, that makes sense.

Oh,

I thought turf would be.

Oh, no, you're right.

I thought turf would be the front because of landscaping.

Servant turd.

So.

It's neither.

It's cheddar bay biscuits.

There you go.

No, that's the free with purchase.

That's the titties.

I like how we both thought that, too.

They all are disgusting.

That's what Beyonce was talking about.

Well, there's, we got like dairy involved in there, and then two bees.

I had no idea Red Lobster was so horny.

Oh, it is.

Oh, boy.

So, okay, so they, like, they like, they love it.

They're like making it at the bar, and they go to his house.

Which has a jukebox in it for a while.

Which has a jukebox and

hundreds of framed pictures of airplanes.

I didn't know this.

What fucking psycho just frames pictures of planes and puts them next to each other on his wall, and she's still like, ooh, I can't wait to fuck this guy.

She's like, show me your Ot Wheels collection.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

It's all the same as the like the framed pictures of planes is coming from the same place as the dad story.

As yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Nothing but red flags.

She's just like,

I don't know.

I just was really charmed by the sexual harassment I received.

They had started her off as this like tough, you know,

rebellious

aggressive, yeah, progressive young whippersnapper.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, whatever.

And then just immediately like,

didn't do anything with her at all.

Yeah.

So then, okay, so it's kind of on.

They like go into the sewers to chase the alligator.

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Hi.

Hello.

Thank you for being here.

You're an X-Men 97 that is really cool yes it is it's very cool um so um

so you know so they're they're going down in the sewer looking for the alligator the the vinny the mafia guy he's hired um

he's hired alligator hunters yes after arresting or having sololobo arrested right yes

which how can

you do that

how do you house arrest a cop yeah how do you arrest any cop with literally a boss

Yeah, and how does he, how is he allowed to do that?

But anyway, but immediately after, he's like, I'm taking care of the problem.

Like, you know, the cops can't do it.

I'm going to take care of it myself.

Get me alligator hunters.

Yeah.

So these alligator hunters come to they look like a gang, too.

So I'll say.

Lead alligator hunter, very well cast.

He's a very craggly character actory kind of.

Good accent.

He's got like a

bayou boy.

He's a bayou boy.

And then around him,

they just put some fatigues on an improv team.

They are the least tough-looking guys.

They're just like, here,

here, goof troops.

Like, put on these.

Anyway, and if you think that anyone would know about the alligator from the first film, it would be this gang of alligator hunters.

But they had to bring them up from somewhere.

Oh, really?

I don't think they were local.

Yeah.

They weren't local.

I kind of like the idea that they have a local just grade.

They all are just sitting in a shack waiting for the call.

In Chicago.

chicago exactly in the south side just a bunch of notlins boys who are whittling and going i'm just here for the crawlfish

i hope they found a gator for us to kill i'm taking my fan boat all the way to the chicago bulls game

we're gonna have a good time i love this new character

is that your bayou accent that's my guy yeah that'll just sound like a good little nerd guy no not me he's a bayou

I'm a bayou boy.

I'm a bayou boy.

Kind of sound like Beck Benedict.

What's his name?

The guy from SNL?

Beck Bennett.

Oh,

I don't know what that is.

This is what

his regular voice sounds like.

100%.

All right.

Gotta go on my fan book.

So

everybody's in the sewers.

This is kind of like the alligator carnage has kind of started.

The alligator chomps up all the alligator hunter guys.

They're able to feed it a bomb, which it doesn't detonate.

They know the Gator has a bomb in it.

So then it goes top side and starts fucking up this carnival.

Which I got excited at this point.

Because you think this is going to be the wedding scene.

Yeah, right.

You're like,

this is this movie's version of that.

They chose to make this dark.

Yeah.

Which the wedding scene

was such a badass scene because it was daylight.

So they're really going to show off their, you know, practical effects.

This is a carnival for for kids that starts at 10 p.m right and it's to get people like excited about guys development yeah

yeah that was weird

sell your land at the thing and oh he was trying to get like the residents there to like take a payout or something you know what would have been a lot simpler is if he was there trying to build that chemicals like lab and he was doing it over this like pond or something where he was going to screw the neighborhood and their water supply was going to be fucked up full of chemicals or something But instead, there was like this development thing, and he was doing some chemical research.

Yeah.

She's got a finger in many pies.

He was also like sponsored that wrestler that

was his guy.

Oh, that's right, Ramon.

Yeah, game culture.

He was crazy in the night.

He was the name of the alligator in the first movie.

Really?

That's a fun Easter egg.

She, like, if it's implied that the herpetologist is also the little girl in the beginning who takes the alligator, she named it Ramon.

That's right.

She does.

That's fun.

Maybe this is a good movie.

No, no,

Jordan, don't do this.

I like the movie now.

No.

So, there's a lot of fun stuff at the carnival.

There is Amelia the Serpent Woman, who's this kind of erotic, snake-charming woman who is there.

There's like a new wave band.

There's a clown on stilts, who I think is the tallest person in the movie.

There it is.

Tallest guy.

There it is.

So, you know, the alligators alligators fucking stuff up.

The Vinny mafia guy takes the mayor on the Ferris wheel and shoots him.

Murders him.

But also, before that.

It's the easiest place to have this conversation.

Before that, had the police chief murdered.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But also, it's like, all right, let's get on the Ferris wheel together.

We're business partners.

Let's ride the Ferris wheel.

I love that, too, because he's just like, he probably, he did it, you know, what, at the top of the Ferris wheel?

And he has to come down.

Yeah.

Well, I should have done it closer to the ground.

It seems like a terrible idea.

Oh, no.

It's taking me right to the police.

I would be suspicious.

I would be suspicious as a teen running that thing if I saw these two men in suits just like squished in there.

Is that a common like mafia trope, though?

Going on a Ferris wheel?

I feel like it's a thing of like, we'll get away from the maddened crowd and we'll get, you know, to the top of the Ferris wheel to discuss our.

But the thing is, there's people before and in front of you in the Ferris wheel.

I'm not saying that it's a good trope, but I feel like it's a thing that has happened in more than just this movie.

Right.

I could see having that con like a you know mafia conversation at the top of Ferris Wheel, but I don't remember one.

Yeah, they're on the there's a monk episode.

Oh,

so monk copied alligator to the mutation.

I knew it.

I knew it.

I blame Tony Shaloub.

Yeah.

So the alligator fucks everything up, and for some reason,

maybe this is commentary on how heavily armed the police are.

El Solo Lobo and the rookie just have missile launchers.

Yeah.

And they, okay.

Why didn't you just use this in the first place?

It will just, you have the.

Anyway, so the

dynamite, they thought the dynamite would do it.

Right.

But they also have to save the missile.

Grenades.

Do cops just have grenades?

I guess.

Ever since Reagan.

Yeah.

Really?

Thanks a lot, Reagan.

Boy, he was busy being bucking shit and stuff.

Yeah, bad.

So yeah, they blow up the alligator

and he takes out a cigarette and he's like, nah, I've had enough of the toxic chemicals.

Kids don't smoke.

They did have this weapon that had some kind of drug in it that was going to kill his wife.

His wife synthesized something or other that was supposed to be this injectable.

It didn't work.

Well, we'll just shoot it with these missile launchers we have.

Also, the fact that they were a married couple also didn't have anything to do with anything.

Yeah.

And that he worked too much didn't have anything to do with it.

He had no, he didn't come around on any of that.

Yeah.

I guess he came around on, like, having a partner.

Maybe that's his.

And I think there's this little thing that they set up that's like almost interesting where it's like him and his wife and then the rookie and the mayor's daughter all go out on this weird double date to meet the alligator.

And I'm like, this could be kind of, you know, and they have to, and he's kind of estranged from his wife and they like, they're like, they don't have a sex life.

It's like, what if they like reignited their passion with this alligator hunt?

Nah, the movie doesn't really like

it.

It was right there.

The opportunity is right there.

they just wanted everybody to be nice people except for the bad guys.

Like, he even was friends with the elderly man who lived in the sewer,

the wino, which I always was confused with what wino meant because I thought wino just meant somebody who was snobby about wine.

I guess it's somebody who just drinks wine all day.

I think so.

I think it's someone who like has cheap wine in his own.

Like, oh, I'm a wine field.

That's why people are calling me that.

Who they also, by the way, knew by name.

When the police chief, when the police chief, like, or somebody was like, oh, some transients were whatever.

And he's like, oh, well, who wasn't?

It's like, your friend, you know, Dan, or whoever.

Why not bomb?

And he also says the buddy who becomes a toothpick, he goes, oh, he was a good guy, wasn't he?

He was like, so you knew that you knew that guy, too?

That's so crazy.

You should have maybe helped them.

Yeah.

He did his best.

Yeah, they also weirdly, I don't know if the order got rearranged, but they talk about the transient because the first,

I forget who he's talking.

Oh, it's when he was meeting with the crazy boys

that the guy is saying, like, oh, we know that Brown, the real estate guy, the evil guy, is committing these murders to scare us out of the neighborhood or to get us out of the neighborhood.

And Solo Lobo is the guy who's like, no, it's an alligator because there were, you know, it wasn't just the missing guys from your community.

It was these transients.

But that hasn't happened yet.

We see.

see it happen later.

Yes, that is.

Unless there are other transients.

My God.

Solo Lobo can see the future.

Wow, this whole thing about him being a psychic cop that got cut.

He's actually committing all the many things they could have done.

He's the alligator the whole time.

I actually have the clip of that scene.

I just liked it so much

because

I like

he's talking about this evil developer, and then he has to convince him.

I'm sorry, this is actually a movie about a giant alligator.

Here's that clip: they're killing people, man.

This Brown,

he might be a bad dude,

but so what?

This This is crazy, boys, too.

It wasn't Brown that killed the Ochala brothers.

There's a big alligator in this lake.

Look, look, look.

Just a lake, too, is what's so mind-blowing to me.

Like, couldn't get a, I don't know, a river or something.

Right, right.

It's like a man-made lake.

He's in.

Yeah.

So the lake feeds into the sewer?

Right.

It's not a good lake.

Yeah, that's true.

That's a shit.

That's a shit lake.

That's a big filled lake.

Yeah.

That people are fishing in find a big fish before they get

the fuck.

Well, yeah, that's Alligator 2, the mutation.

We're going to rank it on a scale of 1 to 10 super loud commercials, but first, we got to do the hunk walk.

It's hunk walk.

Holly, for every episode, we have a hunk.

Hunk can be any gender.

Hunk can be any species.

We've had some non-human hunks.

Godzilla has been a hunk.

Godzilla's been a hunk.

Godzilla is a hunk.

The predator.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yes, thick thighs and lives.

Holly,

did you, did anyone stand out, anyone or thing stand out as a hunk to you in this movie?

I mean, I think we got to say alligator too.

Like, the

alligator.

The alligator two.

The first one was Ramon.

This is alligator two.

Oh, yeah.

They didn't give him a name.

This one, though, he's not really a hunk more than he's like a little chunk.

I think that's my type though.

Yeah.

Like a little chunk.

I like little chunks.

I mean, thick thighs take lives.

There is that one shot of him, like it's a side view of him, like, in a tunnel, and you see his, like, fat little alligator legs that I think are very cute.

They are.

Oh, my God.

I think alligator elbows are so funny and cute.

They're just like those chubby little arms.

I like that.

They have such scary mouths, and then they have these cute little leggies.

It's like a T-Rex, kind of, you know.

Emily, anybody stand out to you as a hunk?

I'm going to go with the rookie.

I think the rookie was very cute.

He was cute.

And kind of a piece of shit, which, you know, that's my kind of guy.

He likes it.

He's a backyard guy.

But he had a different dad.

He had a bad childhood with his dad.

Nobody ever tells me I have a nice ass.

It's just like,

I get it.

I get it.

It's fun.

And refers to it as a DM sledding in five.

Right.

You better get on there.

Go, Reddit.

Go.

Why do people keep DMing me?

Nice ass.

My dad beat me.

Oh, I thought Matt said that.

Matt, any thoughts on the hunts?

My hunk is is going to be the leader of the crazy boys.

Oh, yeah.

He was the second.

That's my runner-up.

Yeah, the craziest boy, I assume.

You like him crazy?

Yeah,

he's just really

hot.

Like, he's just actually a very attractive man.

Totally.

And his scene, I thought, was

I was impressed.

with someone actually trying in a movie that's a sequel to Alligator One.

He just did a great job.

I just felt bad for him in that moment where he says, I'm so sorry, this is an alligator movie.

Got to say, though, crazy boys weren't that crazy.

They were not.

They were quite reasonable.

You know what?

Some say they're the sanest people in the movie.

I know.

You know, society has gone wild when the crazy boys are the sanest of them all.

The crazy boys have become the reasonable men.

We all grew up.

We got new jackets.

Their logo is just a skull doing its taxes.

They're in blazers now.

Yeah, yeah.

Their logo is just a Salesforce logo.

They're unionized.

So I'll just go real quick, go ahead and give it up to Amelia the Serpent Woman.

Yet another notable hunk.

All right.

So we've talked about the hunks.

Now we have to talk about the quality of the actual film.

We are going to rank Alligator 2 on a scale of 1 to 10 Super Loud Commercials.

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We're talking about Alligator 2 with Holly Chow, who is a Power Ranger and a Next-Man fucking rat.

Oh,

fucking cool.

Anyway, by the way, I just looked up the Jubilee action figure for 97.

Very cool.

Do you have an

Hasbro?

The Marvel Legends?

I don't know.

It was the one on thewalmart.com.

Thewalmart.com.

It's not a Funko Pop.

It's no, no, no, not the Funko Pop.

It's in the yellow jacket.

The black suit is like rubbery.

It's a black suit with a purple like collar.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then it's kind of, I guess they made the jacket you could take off, but it's made out of like a rubber, which is so smart because my rogue jacket has pretty much disintegrated the one I've had since the 90s, and I'm bummed about it.

So wish they'd done that.

They gave me one of those at San Diego.

It's not released yet.

It doesn't come out until October, but they're like.

Oh my god.

I'm getting it for sure.

I love that jacket.

I love like, she's got arguably the coolest costume.

Thanks, Dan and Dwight.

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We're going to rank alligator.

Holly, you're our guest.

You go first.

One to ten super loud commercials.

What do you give this film?

Well, you said we're going to rank alligator.

Oh, excuse me.

Alligator two, the mutation.

Yes.

We get very different scores.

Of course.

Would you like to rank alligator one?

I would love to hear your alligator one score.

I haven't re-watched it recently, but I think I'm going to give it an eight just based on my feelings about it from the last time I watched it.

And Anne Robin, who's cool.

And also, aside from playing the herpetologist, did you know she's also the

witch mom in Buffy in that episode where the cheerleader and the witch mom like switch places?

What a career.

She's so good.

She's so crazy.

That is so crazy.

I didn't even realize that connection.

That's a pretty killer movie.

She's so perfectly cast in all those things.

She's so great.

She's really cool.

Okay, so ranking Alligator 2, it does not hold up it's not that's not the best movie i mean

i'll give it a

three

very fair very fair uh emily what do you think zero zero

we don't get a lot of zeros on the show i'm just so offended of how dirty they did the franchise they didn't even try they didn't even try and it was basically the exact same story as the first one nothing new came of it and the alligator

erasure of the first one exactly so it didn't offer anything there was nothing there and it didn't really show a good alligator it didn't give a shit it was so lazy i'm angry so angry at this movie zero uh matt what'd you think i was gonna give it a four

and i i listen i don't remember what i gave alligator one

and i feel bad if it was less than a four.

I bet somebody's got a spreadsheet going on.

I'm certain someone has a spreadsheet.

If you do know the answer to that, please don't tell me.

You know what?

I don't want to know.

Correct us.

Yes.

Tell me, and then I'll tell him against his will.

But she will.

But

I didn't absolutely hate it.

I regretted having to watch it and I didn't enjoy most of it.

Yeah.

But the parts that I did enjoy, I enjoyed a lot.

And so, yeah, I can give him a four.

All right, Jordan.

To paraphrase 1998, vice president presidential candidate Lloyd Benson.

Senator, I served with Alligator One.

I knew Alligator One.

Alligator One was a friend of mine.

Senator, you are no Alligator One.

Thank you.

Yeah, Alligator One is such a blast.

I think this movie is a three.

It's a three.

If you're a bad movie sicko and you have to watch all of these, like, there's a couple great bad movie moments in it.

Wolf with a gun on the cake.

That's insane.

Framed pictures of airplanes.

That's insane.

The reveal of the crazy boys.

All of this is a ton of fun.

fun, but it is just kind of sandwiched in the middle of this like movie that is just, you know.

They worked harder on that wolf than they did the alligator thank you i know it should be called wolf cop cake i've watched that

wait for the sequel wolf cop cake two the mutation

so much lazier than wolf cop cake one uh yeah so i think like there's so there's so many fun movies in this genre anaconda that we watched last week um yeah again alligator one we all kind of love uh so yeah i think unless you're just like you know you're a completist and have to watch them uh you can go ahead and skip this one but if you you do watch it, there's a couple fun moments.

All right, that was Alligator 2, the mutation.

We're going to do a little plug-in.

Holly, thank you so much for joining us.

This is so cool.

Yes, X-Men 97.

I can't imagine folks listening to this podcast aren't already watching it.

But tell us about that and anything else you'd like to talk about.

Yeah, X-Men 97 is on Disney Plus, as is the animated series.

If you want to go back to the original Watch Your Way all the way up to and through.

Highly suggest that.

Yes, they say that season two is coming out 2026, but that's, you know, that's 12 whole months.

Have you already recorded it?

I have recorded some,

but they don't tell you, like, oh, this is your last session.

And they don't tell you.

So I don't know.

Maybe I'm going to go back in for season two.

Maybe they're done with me for season two.

I have no idea.

Do you tell us any secrets, or are you sworn to secrecy over the secrets?

I have super sworn to secrecy over the secrets, but also they just don't share that information with us.

I see, I see.

So we can't, you know, they're Tom Hollanding everybody, I think, at this point is just like you only get the scripts that you're forced to be.

I mean, I doubt they would have told us even, you know, before then, because sometimes they just don't even know.

Like, they're rewriting scripts and things like that.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Do we get?

Okay.

Okay.

Here's one question.

Is there a really cool new character that you know of that's going to come in?

You don't have to say who it is.

I would not be able to tell you even if I knew.

God damn it, Holly.

I'm not doing anything to fuck up my spot.

I know, I know.

Thanks a lot, Tom Holland.

You're a cute little British guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anything else coming up?

You're a congoer.

That's how we met, actually.

We're both.

Yeah, we were at WonderCon and we did a con talks.

Yeah, we met at WonderCon this year.

It seems like so long ago.

But we are both going to be at Cape and CowellCon in Alameda at Faction Brewing.

It is put on by the guys from Cape and Cowell, this super cool comic shop shop in Oakland.

They are the best dudes.

And apparently, one of the caterers, one of the vendors will be Hot Boys.

Hot Boys.

Hot Boys.

So yeah, so here's what you're going to do.

Sunday, August 24th, come to Faction Brewing.

It's free.

It's a free Comic-Con.

So you come by, you meet Holly.

You can buy some books from me.

And tons of other Bay Area comic artists and writers.

The lineup for this thing is insane.

Cape and Cowlcomics.com.

That's a website you can go to and grab a hot boy while you're there.

Grab yourself a hot boy.

And yeah, and Holly, good insta-follow.

And you'll be posting all your cons and stuff there as well.

That's where I post my things.

It's at Holy Cow, Holly Chow.

There you go.

And Chow is spelled T-H-O-U.

Emily, got anything?

Not anything right now.

Okay, Matt, what do you got?

Houston.

Houston.

We have a funny problem.

I'm going to be in Houston on August 28th at the Punchline Comedy Club.

Come out to that.

Tickets will be in the link description.

Okay.

I also say, I forgot to, when I was plugging Cape and Calicon, I forgot to also say that I'm also going to be doing Legends Comics in in-store signing at Legends Comics in Clovis, California, which is near Fresno.

Beautiful.

With JP Carliak, who plays Morph.

Dang, do it.

Okay, get yourself to these events.

Watch some X-Men on the Disney Plus.

Go to see Matt in Houston.

And then listen to the show next week where we'll be watching a movie called The Gray.

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