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I'm Josh Peck.

And I'm Ben Soffer. And we're the good guys.
There's a lot of guys out there. And we're the good ones.
Mazel morons, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm sitting here with the Hollywood medium, but the real man in my life is my New York large.
It's Ben Soffer. Thank you, my sweet, sweet friend.
Folks, we have an absolute treat today. He is a world-renowned medium, author, and TV star.
He has a new Netflix show called Live from the Other Side. It's Tyler Henry.
Tyler, thank you so much for joining us. If you guys are listening on audio, you got to watch on YouTube because his hair is perfectly done.
And Josh, I think that we need to like go to his stylist or something. It's giving River Phoenix.
You know, Netflix actually said I have a mullet and it needs to get dealt with by the next episode. So whoever said that to you is not our friend.
You know, touching this hair. It's all right.
It's giving 90s boy band. Did you get hair feedback from Netflix? I got hair feedback.
Sarandos is giving hair feedback. You know, it's okay.
I got a hair transplant, so I was kind of limited in my options. Oh my God, we have so much to talk about.
Okay, start with the hair transplant. Yes.
Say more. It's like a chia pet.
I mean, first it grows and then it all falls out, and then you think you are going through the ugly duckling experience. And then over two to three months, it gradually kind of fills in.

You take it from the back of your head and just kind of like insert it with a turkey baster right there above your eyebrows.

Now, did we do turkey for this?

Did we do medical tourism?

Josh, he went to the US.

We definitely went to Beverly Hills.

Nothing wrong with turkey.

I just didn't have the time to take off to jump time zones.

So did we go to Santiago, Chile?

Did we go to BBL? No, no. We didn't go the time to take off to jump time zones so did we go to santiago chile did we go no no we didn't go to cuba okay so no siberian hair transplant not yet saving that for my 30s sorry but you know and i have i have to give you credit because usually what you see with hair transplant is it's more of like a shorter kind of sustainable.

You don't see like such a lush,

a head of salad like you have.

Well, thank you.

A bag of lettuce.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it was only the front,

so still growing in,

but you got to compensate,

distract them with the back

so that they don't notice the front.

It looks amazing.

I never would have known,

which I'm sure is the goal.

I appreciate it.

Meanwhile, I just shot a video.

Josh, the one that I sent to you where I'm cooking with Alex Garnaschelli and the entire time you can see a bald spot in the middle of my head that I didn't even know I had. Oof.
It's, you know, I mean, it's a mirror into deeper, deeper realms. Are you going to, will you do a transplant, Ben? I hope I don't need a transplant.
I'm going to start just by taking the neutrophil that we promote. I think it's a good place to start.
See if that works. And if that doesn't work, then, Tyler, I'm going to ask you for a recommendation.
And we'll take it from there. I got you.
Every week, keep up. I'm going to look different.
Every incarnation. Or you could not be selfish, Ben, and we could turn it into a turkey travel vlog for the pod.
And we go to Istanbul. We do the full hair transplant.
I'll get a nose shot. Fine.
I'm in. And we'll call it trapped abroad.
That's what we call it. We'll go there for our procedures and we'll never get out.
Exactly. It's like Thanksgiving.
Cute. So Tyler, let's start at the beginning.
Was it 10 years old when you realized you started to have these abilities? Yeah, that's really kind of when it started, at least its most identifiable form. So, you know, I woke up one night and just had a premonition of my grandmother's death.
And at the time, I didn't even know what a premonition was or that that could even happen. I definitely know what a premonition is.
But for the audience, tell them what's a premonition? Sure. Well, you know, it really is just a knowingness of an event before it occurs.
And, you know, it does happen to people very often throughout their lives. And in my case happened when I was just a kid.
And it was about something very close to me, my best friend, my grandmother and her death. And then from there on, I just kind of would have these moments of knowingness throughout my life that were intuitive and they would be specific.
And when I would share them with people, they would validate that they were correct. But it wasn't until much later that I recognized that as an ability, you know, versus something that was just kind of happening to me.
So knowing if you had a, so you're obviously your grandma was still alive when you had the premonitions. Did you say, grandma, you might want to go try fentanyl or something, you know, like.
Get the morphine drip right now. Go live a little.
Just go. Yeah.
Go on the cruise. You're on borrowed time, grandma.
Sell the bar. Sell the farm.
I, in this case, it was actually in the moments right before she passed. So I was at home with my mom and my dad had actually been at my grandmother's home and he was visiting her.
So I woke up and had this feeling that she was going to die momentarily. I wasn't even sure if she already had or if it was going to happen.
It felt like a memory that hadn't occurred yet. So you can imagine how confusing that would be.
And as I was explaining this to my mom, the phone rang. And as my mom picked it up, it was the news from my dad that he had just watched my grandmother die in front of him.
So that really was kind of what changed everything in a before and after moment. And so do these moments come to you now or can you seek them out? I definitely have certain things I do to facilitate these connections.
I have certain processes like scribbling, which just kind of allows me to have a physical mechanism that allows me to mentally signal to turn on or to turn off. And in a lot of cultures and religions, you have kind of this back and forth or repetition-based practice that helps people get into altered states of consciousness.
For some, that's the chanting, the beating of a drum, the movement of a rosary bead. There's something about that aspect that can kind of get a person into a different state.
And that's what scribbling does for me. Now, if I may ask, was your grandmother sick at the time? She had not been in good health.
And this had been going on for quite some time, about two to three years before she had passed. Her health had kind of been back and forth.
We weren't sure if we were going to lose her. There were times where we came close to and then she pulled through.
So when it hit me, it was just in part very strange, but in part a bit of a relief to know in that moment that she wasn't going to continue suffering. That was very timely.
And when were you able to, at 10 years old, did you have any understanding of mediums, of psychics, any reference? There really was no point of reference being a kid. My parents, I was raised Presbyterian, so grew up in a Christian household and I loved going to church and going to different churches.
Yeah. Me too.
And so, you know, to be honest, conversations around ghosts and psychics and mediums and all of that just weren't part of our lexicon at home. It just wasn't a point of conversation.
I never really in my early days heard the people around me talk disparagingly about the subject. I just never heard people talk about it.
Right. So it was kind of a non-event.
What do the Jews feel about mediums, Ben, Rabbi Ben? I was going to say, we are not Presbyterian. We're very Jewish, but all love to the Presbyterians.
Shout out Presbyterian. Shout out.
I was mentioning off camera, my mom definitely has and has always had this relationship with the other side, if you will. And she always associated it with animals.
Like from the moment I, like I can always remember from the beginning her saying since my grandmother passed, like, oh, this butterfly is your grandmother or geese were my grandfather. Like they and they would show up in moments where like geese shouldn't be here or butterflies shouldn't be here.
Or like, why is there a butterfly in your house on the Upper East Side? Like there are no butterflies in in New York. So she was very connected through animals.
I don't know if you've ever seen that. And we we would joke with her like that.
Not that it wasn't real, but like, really, this is real. And considering it's been going on for 32 years, I can rest assured that it's definitely, she's definitely not lying.
There is a real relationship going on with her and my grandparents all the time. And they've been dead for 20 years.
That's beautiful. It sounds like there's an aspect to the importance of timing in those instances, right? Like, you know, butterflies happen.
We see animals even sometimes under unusual circumstances, but it's the fact that she's time and time again, recognized those signs for what they are and found the meaning and identified that meaning that I think really lends significance. It's the timing.
It's like, it'll be my grandmother's birthday and a butterfly will appear in her house. And it's unexplainable.
And I've always thought it was fascinating. I don't have that same relationship, but we're so excited that you're on the podcast because we do believe in this.
And it's just fascinating. And it's so cool to have a relationship like that.
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Listen to all new episodes every Wednesday, anywhere you get your podcasts. Ben, were you upset that your mother didn't have a premonition about OSEMPIC? Just so you could have started earlier.
She couldn't have had a premonition that I'd be an obese teen. Same here, babe.
Same here. Thanks, mom.
No, it's, no, she, yeah, I am definitely salty. Definitely salty.
Tyler, can I ask, and to echo Ben, I'm really, I I am a believer and I think what you do is like important and really helpful. Can I like respectfully ask maybe some contrarian questions or two? Is that OK? I love that.
Yes, please. So like I remember in Religious, the Bill Maher movie, someone who is very devout in their belief, Bill asked him to explain it a little more.
And they said, well, you know, what had happened was one time I asked for a sign from God about something going on in my life and it started to rain. And I knew that was my sign.
And Bill said, of course, except sometimes it rains. So maybe it's a sign, maybe not.
And like you talking about your grandmother and saying she wasn't in great health and sadly grandparents passed. Like, how do you correlate that exactly with that? This was a specific moment in your life, this premonition, or that it just coincided with something that was really happening, which was, she was pretty sick and older from what you're saying.
I think it may have been both. And that's kind of the dichotomy of the paranormal.
Very often people are looking for a binary of this or that. And very often within this world, it's kind of both.
So yes, she was not in great health and there was a deterioration. But for me to know that she was going to die within about 30 seconds of the phone call that is objectively strange.
Right. A feeling.

And so from there, the catalyst that that acted as, the series of events that opened up, is for me really what was where the value was, even more than that initial experience. I think when we talk about signs, right, there's this idea of objectivity versus subjectivity.
So we have things that are objective truths, things that we can quantify. But then when we talk about subjective experiences and the signs that people have, those are more meaning-based.
They're more qualitative than quantitative. It's more about their qualities and what people get from these experiences than necessarily being able to pin them down in a lab, put a scientific name on them.
As much as science, I believe, tries to quantify spirituality in one way or another, I just think of spirituality more akin to love and art. You can't quite quantify what those things mean on a large scale.
What's different, you know, for me might be different for you in our definitions of certain ineffable things. So from 10 to like, let's say 18, what's the evolution of this ability? What does your life look like? Do you win most clairvoyant in the yearbook in high school? Most likely to win the lottery.
Yeah, solid. Yeah, no.
From there, you know, I would share these moments with other kids at school and eventually teachers. And, you know, some people were super supportive.
Other people were really frightened. You know, I dealt with a lot of religious blowback, a lot of frustration.
Why do you think that? I just think it scares people on some level. Religious people specifically? It can.
What's ironic with this is that I feel that what I do, if anything, validates the primary principle of most religions, which is that there is a continuity of life beyond death. So if anything, I think I'm kind of like pro-continuation.
But some people see that and they think, no, that's either a demon talking to the medium, which is a very common angle that certain groups of Christianity take. They equate it to something called necromancy, which was a sin in the Bible.
And so I dealt with that even within my own denominations of having to deal with misunderstanding. But the goal was always just to try to help people with the messages.
I still to this day don't know to what extent the departed are involved in the messages themselves. I know I have a relationship with some thing.
What that is and what that entails fully is still a mystery to me in a lot of ways. Can you share an example of like something that religious folks when you were younger, like, can you share an example of something that they were upset with? Like, what was something that you either heard or saw that you then told? Yeah, well, I had a dear friend, my first girlfriend when I was in elementary school.
I was a real stud. And, you know, she was a couple of grades older than me.
And she was one of the first people that I confided about these weird things that I would sometimes see and know. And she ended up telling her very religious mother who went to a different church, a little bit more of a conservative one, which I actually later also attended, I might add.
And they actually ended up having a prayer circle. The mother held a prayer circle privately, not with my involvement, but her and a group of ladies got together and prayed for the soul of like a 10, 11 year old boy, you know, I was at the time.
And I got back to me, they told me that they had done this and that they were hoping that I find the way. And, you know, to have that happen at such a pivotal time when one is still forming their identity.
And at 10 years old, you're still so vulnerable to the opinions of other people. And it was a great blow to my self-esteem, but it also, I think, gave me the courage to be more of myself.
First of all, we've had plenty of prayer circles for me in bed. We're sinners.
We're Jews. Listen, we rub people the wrong way.
So mostly my mother praying that my Cholesterol down it hasn't by the way i just got a check 227 debunk not good sorry prayer too high josh too high no shit i tried to get off my statins i can't do it my body said there's no like herbal there's nothing we can do like in the woods or like this red yeast rice this isn't about me ben but okay conversely because you said you dabbled in in that religion for a while like is your ability a barrier of entry for you for organized religion i think it brings a new conversation of faith versus trust in many ways i think i was looking as a child for where my faith fit fit in, what my faith was, how I fit into this larger picture of my community. Why you have this gift? Sure.
But even earlier, honestly, than 10, I was just a very deep child. I was very curious and interested in religion.
But I found, if anything, it allowed me to have more of a reliance on an internal sense of spirituality, an internal sense of interconnectedness to other people, generally through acts of compassion, than necessarily having a faith in any external doctrine or dogma. So it kind of became more of an insular, more inwardly focused shift in belief.
At this point in my life, I kind of am past belief itself. I know a lot of people wonder, what is real and what does one believe? And I think I've gotten to a place where I realize it doesn't matter what I believe.
Reality exists as it is. And on some level, I feel a deep sense of knowing in what I've experienced.
But I don't need to have beliefs really even around it to do what I do and to see the value in it. That's a good name for your next special past belief.

Past belief. There you go.
I love that. Teddy Sarandos is going to call about that too, not just your hair.
I'm ready. I'm ready.
Let's be dialed. And can you, and if you can't, no problem, but like, I'm just so fascinated with like the specifics of any of these stories.
Like, do you have a most memorable read

or somebody that came to you

and just sharing sort of that journey

from meeting them to what you came to understand

about them and their reaction to it?

Absolutely.

You know, there's been so many moments of transformation,

whether it's filmed, whether it's off camera.

I would say I had a really strange experience

with my first grade teacher of all people.

She said, whether it's filmed, whether it's off camera, I would say I had a really strange experience with my first grade teacher of all people. She saw me later in life after I had started doing readings as a teenager.
And she was surprised to see me one day. And I worked at this little bookstore and she came in and I told her that I did readings.
And as I sat with her, she basically wanted to hear about her health. And I proceeded to tell her that I felt like there was an issue in the lower feminine system.
I saw it very clearly. I felt like uterine.
What do you mean you saw it very clearly? How did it present to you? In my mind's eye, it basically comes through as sometimes I'll see a map if we're talking about geographical locations. Sometimes I'll see a body.
Sometimes I'll get a physical sensation that corresponds to where I'm supposed to talk about. Obviously,

I don't have a uterus, but there are times where I'll get literally like a tug in my abdominal area. It's very weird and very multifaceted.
But she came to me and I told her about this problem

and I said, you need to get this checked. And she kind of scoffed at me and said, Tyler, you know,

I just went to a gynecologist. I got checked.
I'm all good, but thanks, you know. And she kind of left, I think, a little tiffed that I had said that because like why create a false fear around something that probably isn't an issue.
Got a call about eight months later from her. She left a voicemail on my phone.
I didn't pick up. And she said in the voicemail that she wanted to thank me because she had gone to the doctor shortly thereafter, only at the urging of her adult children.
And when she went, she was actually found to have uterine cancer. It was in later stages.
She was able to go into treatment immediately and she ended up being fine, but they literally missed this cancer that was right in front of them the first time. In later stages? In later stages.
So eight months prior to this, when she got exam, they didn't see it. And you're six years old at the time, right? I was already a teenager by that point.
She was my first grade teacher who had known who I was. Oh, first grade teacher.
Yeah. So she and I had gone way back.
She knew me as a student. And then by the time I was working as a teen, she had just been taking a stroll through a little town downtown where I worked..
And she walked into this bookstore where I did readings and she said, Oh, Hey Tyler, how are you? And we sat and I shared with her what I did. And that was really an extremely validating experience, I think for both of us.
Now, if you're doing a medical reading for someone and they have an HMO or they're not covered, will you not tell them? I'm like, do we take insurance? Do we take insurance? No. Do you really want to know? I think this is going to cost you 400 grand.
You know, it's funny. Yeah.
Tyler is sponsored by Anthem Blue Cross. Can you imagine life insurance? That would be a good collab.
That is just incredible. Like that is like that.
That's that's amazing. And that in that moment, is it because you had a past

relationship? would be a good collab. That is just incredible.
That's amazing. And in that moment, is it because you had a past relationship with her? You can't walk up to somebody on the street and give them a medical read, can you? I mean, it's happened.
I don't love to focus on the medical just because it's such a sensitive area, but there have absolutely been times where I've sat with people even just briefly like Alan Thicke and got a very strong insistence around a particular health problem. And sometimes people are like, okay, I'll look into it.
And other times they just shut it down. But I always tell people if it comes through, what's the harm? And at least take into consideration.
It's never to cause fear, only just to try to have prevention. And knowledge is power.
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Is Josh okay? I didn't want to ask. I'm sensing hypochondriac.
I'll walk out right now, dude. I'll walk out right now, Josh.
I'm sensing hypochondria I'll walk out right now Josh I'm sensing you looking very skinny Damn it Okay I'm ready go I'm sensing a Oh no you're a skinny legend Thank you Amazing I'm going to my cardiologist Monday

and an MRI on my quad.

There you go.

Shit, I forgot what I was going to ask.

Keep talking, Ben.

You made me forget.

No, but it just, yeah, it's just.

I know what I was going to ask.

Have you ever maybe thought about,

and I'm only thinking about the medical stuff,

but you know there's a condition

where people can see sounds?

Have you heard of this? Right, it's anesthesia. Yeahhesia yeah yeah right where like sounds will literally present themselves in colors right or like how dogs sometimes can smell disease right like do you ever think sometimes like maybe it's less or or there's an aspect to it that's not just the clairvoyance or or the indescribable that you have, but just like maybe a super sense.
Like maybe. It absolutely has crossed my mind as far as all different explanations, you know, physically based ones and spiritually based ones and kind of amalgamations of both.
I sat with Dr. Drew and he put me up to neurofeedback and I sat there.
I look like an alien with this funny cap on my head and it was monitoring monitoring the electrical activity during a reading. And through that experience, we were able to find that my brain basically enters into something of a sleep state while I'm still awake.
And he had no explanation for that. The scientist that was doing the study also had no explanation.
I should have been in a deep state of snooze, but I was talking as I was scribbling, looking at the person in the eye, completely alert and awake. I have since developed a relationship with Gary Nolan at Stanford, and he's shown a lot of interest in psychic research.
And it's kind of surprising that a lot of these institutions have, but Stanford particularly has, going back all the way to the 70s and 80s, a pretty deep interest in consciousness. There is something to be said, to your point, about mirror neurons.
I don't know if you've ever heard of mirror neurons, but there are some people who are actually more capable of feeling or empathizing the physical pain of others. It was a very interesting documentary about a doctor who had this condition and he often would feel not in a psychic sense, but in essence, feel through these mirror neurons were heightened in him, often what these people were going through.
And it wasn't pseudoscientific. It was completely just a very strange medical condition.
So it very well, maybe both in some way. Wow.
And have you ever been wrong? Absolutely. And I'm wrong all time.
Michael Jordan misses a good portion of his free throws, but he's still Michael Jordan. Totally.
Yeah. But is there a fear about being wrong if you are giving someone a feeling about their medical? Absolutely.
Anything revolving around a person's health, their well-being, I have to be extremely conscientious of in the way that I deliver it. I view my job as that of like a mailman in the sense that I don't like write the letters.
I just deliver the message. But how I deliver the message is my responsibility.
I have to be tactful. I have to be considerate.
I have to be mindful if there's cameras, you know, if they're family watching and things like that. So I've learned, you know, if I know with my track record that something's coming through with insistence, I would rather share it and get it off my conscience than know I didn't say it later on and then see something happen.
And how and how did this gift and when did this gift sort of make its way to Hollywood? Like, how did that sort of transition start? And do you enjoy doing readings for sort of celebrities or would you prefer to do them for sort of the average Joe? You know, people find this surprising, but like 90% of my readings are with non-celebrities and about 90% are done for free. I do a lot of charity reads.
I do reads for terminally ill people. I have a waiting list of like 700,000 people and we go through and we pick them randomly and often, you know, do these readings virtually and sometimes in person.
So I feel so thankful for the opportunities I've been given, but my goal has always been to just further a conversation around what it means to be human, how we can get the most out of our time here, and how we can really live life to the fullest. And in being able to read certain celebrities, it allowed me to start those conversations and demographics of people that perhaps wouldn't ordinarily have them through these, you know, means.
And so like to be able to sit with different cultures and different backgrounds and introduce that into their followings was really special. Who would you say is your favorite, if you can't answer, celebrity read? Favorite celebrity read was probably RuPaul, which is like the gayest answer in the world.
But like, hey, we love Ru. But Ru's great.
Do we love Ru? Just surprisingly tall, right? Very tall, very tall and very Amazonian. Oh, that was so cathartic for me because this was somebody that, you know, I looked up to as a kid being very different in a lot of ways.
And then I got to meet him. And not only that, but I was able to help give him a sense of peace around his dad's passing.

His dad, you know, in many ways was very cruel

and would leave him, you know,

and not pick him up after he would agree

to see him as a little boy.

And so he felt a lot of neglect.

His dad came through and acknowledged

these specific instances that he knew to be true

and he apologized for them.

And in that moment,

I remember seeing RuPaul as a man and the look in his eye and it just looked like a little boy sitting, hearing from his dad. And I know that he never expected to get that.
And I certainly would have never dreamt of facilitating that. But after we left, he gave me a hug and I just remember the thank you.
And it was like a little kid and it was so precious to be able to kind of in a small interval, see that inner child maybe get a little bit of healing well the you you phrased it perfectly so i have to ask there's no way to double check so you're talking to rue you're talking to someone who clearly has some trauma with a parent which is very universal right many of us have some version of that even if perhaps you you didn't get the apology from the father or i don't know, or maybe they were like, no, I feel good about being a piece of shit, whatever it was. Does it behoove you to not, A, not to tell them? And why not, if you have the ability in which to give someone that relief, like you gave Rue, true or not, is it just better to just tell them what will give them peace? I have to maintain the integrity of the messages I'm given.
And it kind of goes back to that millman analogy, right? I don't write the letters. I just deliver the message.
So if I'm getting what I'm getting, I do have to make the conscious choice. Do I deliver it or do I not? Now, there are times where very difficult messages will come through, but generally the goal in a reading is just to leave someone better than I find them.
I set all of these kind of parameters. I do a lot of prayer, a lot of meditation in the days even leading up to big readings.
And it gets me into a state where I really only want to connect information that's going to be valuable. I, as a teenager, knew that my dear friend was going to die.
And he had actually had brain cancer previously and went into remission. And I was so close to him and got this intuitive knowingness that not only would his cancer come back, but that he would pass away probably by the age of 18.
And I didn't tell him that I had this feeling. I withdrew.
I didn't text him back. We lost touch and he got re-diagnosed with brain cancer.
Why did you withdraw? Was it too hard to? It was too painful to see him, too painful to face him knowing what was about or what would likely happen to him. And at the end of his life, he reached out to me and he said, Tyler, it's been years.
I want to see you. And I messaged him back for the first time in a long time.
And I said, I'd love to see you. Let's do it.
And then he died. And I never got the chance.
And in hindsight, that taught me about the importance of showing up for people while we have the chance. Because maybe I could have saved his life, but honestly, I don't think so.
I don't think if I had told him your cancer is going to come back and it's going to be insidious and you're going to die at 18. I just don't know what good that would have done for him.
So while there is a responsibility to deliver it, it's a bit of a heavy choice.

Well, just know that if you're friends with Tyler and he hasn't texted you back in a while.

It's not looking good.

Yeah, we're backing up and you should get a full body MRI.

Okay.

Yeah.

Wow.

My favorite thing is I'll call my friends randomly some day

and sometimes just say, hey, how you doing?

And they'll go, why?

And I'm like, I'm just seeing him checking in.

Like, what the fuck?

And they're like, you have to know something. What's is my kidney gonna fall out oh man it's a mess that's so funny people take it way seriously well to that point I I think I know something about you like that you don't drive right don't yes because you're like will you talk about some of like the and be honest, because having this gift, I'm sure comes with some challenges.
And like, what are the things like driving that you really can't do because you're sure you have this thing? I think of driving as something I don't do, you know, in part because I had a brain injury at the age of 18. I had a brain cyst and had brain surgery and was told I probably shouldn't drive.
And then I got the all clear. But from that experience, I realized how much responsibility driving is.
Driving in LA, if you know how intense and overwhelming that is. So I've been in a position where I just kind of let other people take on certain roles and it works.
But I don't socialize much. I don't drink.
There are a number of things I don't do as a result of this ability. I went drinking angle you know i think it's very important that i not lose my wits if i'm sitting with someone and i'm getting something i would be very afraid that i would just start rambling like your grandma's not proud of you or like you know she says go to hell anything could come out right and i don't want to be losing it up and and you know have it turned to a different kind of show someone cut tyler off right exactly yeah so uh the spirits are all right are popping can you imagine you want a couple buzz balls you could start a world war it really it could get intense in mtv i'm waiting for that call oh my god you know that's good that would be a show just get us absolutely plastered put a bunch of mediums in a room and then release them.
Oh my God. Just like a band of chihuahuas.
Oh my God. I'm in.
Exactly. I'm in.
Genius. Wow.
And when you had brain surgery when you were 18, were you worried you might lose your ability? Totally. That was my number one concern.
I bet. I thought if the scalpel goes in and they cut this open, they were unsure at the time if they were able to remove it or just aspirate it because it was filled with fluid.
It was like a sack near my ventricles in the back of my brain. And so, you know, I thought, well, what if I wake up and nothing comes through? And I remember kind of coming out of anesthesia and seeing the nurse looking at me and getting a feeling of someone being there.
And I was so relieved to have that feeling. I was like, oh, thank goodness.

And then as time went on, information, you know, started coming back.

And have you ever been kidnapped by bookies, you know, for sports betting or any kind of...

That's funny, funny that you say that. There are actually certain security precautions,

you know, that we have to kind of keep in mind in traveling to other countries

with organized groups, you know, who do have worked with psychics, do see the benefit in them. And so, yeah, you don't want to be a target by any means.
Whoa. Yeah.
So I'm very conscious, you know, when I travel for security and just being mindful of you carry packing, packing. So who's going to win the election? That's the thing.
Someone asked me about that yesterday, as far as like future events. And I always say like, I'm not Nostradamus.
Like for some reason, I don't see hurricanes. I don't generally see earthquakes.
I don't see big acts of calamity, outcome of elections. Very often, my kind of strength just seems to be one-on-one with people.
So kind of tuning into individual trajectories versus kind of like collective events. But that would be a very dramatic and very cool ability.
And so is there like a medium group chat? Like, are you friends with other mediums and do they have abilities that maybe you don't have? And do you have abilities that they don't have? Like when you brought up, like when you brought up like this idea of like seeing a catastrophe. Yes.
Like, do you know anybody that can see a catastrophe? There's a few people that I would go to if I were like, hey, I want to know, you know, the upcoming catastrophe, could you give me a sense? And then I'd go to all three. And if they gave the same answer, I'd say, hey, that's probably pretty compelling.
But I will say this, there are very talented people out there. And a lot of them you would never even know the name of.
I have actually been in contact with a number of people who have demonstrated talents beyond my capability, people who are insanely talented. I met a homeless man from the East Coast, Brooklyn, New York, claimed to have psychic abilities, claimed to work with the government.
He was offering to show me what he could do. And he said that he could replicate an image from 3,000 miles away, that all it would take is for me to focus on a picture that I had in front of me at a designated time and he would be able to recreate it.
Wasn't that a CIA program? It was Project Stargate. Yes.
And he claimed to do this. And so I, you know, at the last minute was like, okay, shoot, what picture am I going to pick? I almost thought of like printing out like boobs or just something really inappropriate because that would be hilarious.
But I didn't. I picked a waterfall scene with mountains and then I picked a second photo and put it right next to it.
And it was something that looked like the International Space Station. So two very different pictures.
Within five minutes, he sends me a text of the pictures he had drawn from Brooklyn, New York. And on the paper, he's showing very clearly one picture in the pictures of a waterfall.
And he's pointing out where the mountains are in the picture in the bottom and where it's landing. And he has the proportions of it perfect.
And next to it, he draws a picture of is describing all these words about being in space above. And it looks technological.
And he nailed it. There's no way this man could have guessed both of those pictures.
And then he just sends boobs and says, I'm that good. Exactly.
I was going to put this like pee-pee at the bottom and see if he's really good to see if he could get that.

Wow. But I mean, it was mind blowing and showed to me that consciousness is clearly

very interconnected. That was the most unexplainable moment in my life, what that man did.

And he did it for the cost of dog food for his little baby. So that's all he was willing to take

for that demonstration. Wow.
There's amazing people out there. Do skeptics annoy you?

Let's get started. for his little baby.
So that's all he was willing to take for that demonstration. Wow.
There's amazing people out there. Do skeptics annoy you? Skeptics don't annoy me because I think they are important.
And I will say why. I think that there always needs to be a checks and balances.
I would rather people be more pro-skeptic than accept and believe every single medium if I had it my way. I think it's important to use discernment.
And I think that's how we get to the truth of matters is by asking questions. And I think truth holds up.
So we should be able to probe into things and ask about them. And I think there is a distinction between skepticism and just the cruelty of cynicism.
To a hammer, everything is a nail. And to a cynic, every medium is a fraud.
So that creates a very different conversation than your average skeptical person who doesn't know what to make of it. Show me, let's see it.
That's very different and I can work with that versus when people already are writing me off as a morally bad person before they even have the chance to see what it is all about. You know, it's my sort of feeling about it is like my best friend's mom is Russian, you know, immigrated here like in her 20s.
Right. And so she always believed in healers and different medical modalities and just like sort of the unorthodox approach to life.
She didn't have a therapist and she didn't have her only counsel was her psychic. And she had a, you know, she would talk a few times a month to this person and she found them incredibly helpful in her life.
And the way I kind of looked at it was like, maybe, maybe she, this woman that she talks to has an ability, or maybe she's just really good. She's like an unofficial therapist.
Sure. Playing a therapeutic role.
A therapeutic role, giving counsel. And like, to me for that, I'm like, she's not stealing her money.
She's offering a service. She feels better after.
Yes. And, you know, it was her entry point that this kind of person was who she felt comfortable talking to and maybe not someone from academia.
Absolutely. And people would be surprised at the crossover.
There are a lot of people in academia who are also mediums and practice psychic things on the side, which people find very interesting. I even had a therapist who was just that.
She worked as a psychic and she had letters behind her name. So there is really something to be said, I think, of the fact that very often people are not going to a psychic as the first means of treatment.
Usually by the time someone has seen a medium, they've exhausted every other resource in their lives. And if you look at even psychotherapy, it is extremely subjective in its practices.

There are so many fields of thought even within psychology, particularly psychotherapy as far as what works.

And a lot of them are belief-based. And it's kind of the same thing in the sense that what may work for one may not work for another, but there really is no consensus in a lot of psychotherapy.
But we still use it. Some people find it helpful.
Others find it useless. Some people find it depends on the modality, but I don't think alternative means of healing get enough credit.
I think they are often berated by academic elitism. And that's my take.
Is there any validity in these like tarot card readings? Like, how do you feel about like that? Like whenever I see that, like I just like I'm always like you're really like reading me through a deck of cards like that to me. Yeah.
I just I can't understand. It's so hard to understand.
And where did that come from? Yeah. So basically all aspects of divination rely on randomness, all aspects.
So whether you're pulling a card, back in the day, they used to throw bones and see how they'd land. It basically is something you do when you've exhausted everything else and you're saying, I'm going to surrender.
We're going to see what happens. Let's just let it up to the universe.
And within tarot specifically, it relies on the randomosity of 78 cards that any card could be selected. So it relies on the principle of synchronicity,

that a meaningful coincidence, that you're setting the stage for this to happen in some way. And within the cards, there are pictures, and those pictures oftentimes symbolize concepts.
Now, some people read tarot just purely from the book, the interpretations of the pictures, but for certain intuitive people, these images almost act as little file folders that allow one to see something and then kind of flash on a series of other messages that then follow it. So they almost act as catalysts or means of kind of like bifurcating information more as a visual aid.
I think of it more as a tool than, you know, this kind of magical thing. They are laminated pieces of paper, let's be real.
But it's like a hammer in the sense that if you give a hammer to a contractor, he's going to do a lot more with it. And if you give a hammer, you know, to, well, I was going to say Helen Keller, but she probably could have, you know, she could have still figured it out.
You get what I'm saying. Ben loves Helen Keller.
So there you go. Go, Ben.
That's the episode title. We're giving a hammer to Helen Keller.
Sorry, she's been through enough. We're team Helen.
That's right. But that's interesting.
So they're more like prompts. Yes.
And they're more for, I understand. Yeah.
That makes sense. There's actually a really.
But like the one in St. Mark's place.
Right. That's like charging 50 bucks and like a drunken 22 year old.
Sure. You get what you pay for.
In a lot of cases. In a lot of cases.
Now. Do you not like them? Is there a better business bureau for psychics? There should be a better business bureau for psychics.
Okay. But it would be very difficult to enforce because it is a subjective-based experience.
We'll get it going. Now, we know.
We'll run it. You're out.
Enter. Put in a business plan in a chat GPT.
Yeah. We'll be up and started before this pod's over.
Make it happen. I'm in.
We'll do it. Club.
Is that, Yuri Geller was a mentalist, right? So Yuri Geller's a very interesting example of the ambiguity of the paranormal, that it can be both. Right.
So again, we always are going, is it real or are the elements of artifice? And very often it's both. And in his case, we find that he is a very skilled mentalist.
He's also somebody who has told me what was right in front of me also from thousands of miles away. He's demonstrated so many weird feats just in our conversations.
I had been talking to my mom about gun ownership about five minutes before I had texted him. And she was talking to me about, you know, hey, maybe we should get some security.
Wonder what gun, if we even got one, what would we get? Yuri Geller texts me a link out of nowhere and says, you should get this handgun. He just texted me out of nowhere.
And a text. And he's in Israel and I'm in California.
Wow. It would be weird one time, but he's done it over and over and over again.
There's something there. He clearly can connect to consciousness.
He wouldn't be as wealthy and successful as he is if he couldn't, but he also sees the danger in being taken too seriously. And there is a danger in being taken too seriously.
And in many ways, his spoon bending, I feel, is a cloaking mechanism to the reality of what's really going on underneath paranormally. But it has to look just on the verge of ridiculousness so that it can be laughed off and he can continue living and doing his thing.
What if you're having like a romantic interlude? Are you like, Yuri, get out of here. Yeah, no.
Like, you know. He's bending my...
I'm trying to have an intimate moment, Yuri. Not now.
I know. He could be in the room with this.
Stop sending me pictures of Glocks. Someone did a podcast not long ago and they started mentioning him.
All the lights started shutting off and on. So you better be careful.
Oh my God. You better not have soup tonight.
You're going to start spinning it. It's just going to collapse.
I'm so glad I took my SSRI this morning. Yeah.
Good luck. I feel balanced.
That's right. What about the fame? And I'm sure you know, because obviously you're a student of this, the famous Houdini thing.
Yeah. Right.
Where he passed away and he told his wife, I'm going to give you a code word so that if mediums or people are saying that they're contacting me, if they don't know the code word, then it'll prove that they're not. Right.
So that is a very, very commonly cited situation. And what I say to that is it's very common that people will have on pre-agreed code words.
When I die, I'm going to bring this up. What I find when I sit down as a medium with someone and I'm bringing something through, it feels often that there are like 3,000 messages all just kind of right there.
And it's like a stream. And sometimes the pieces of information that come through will be like, oh, your grandma had a blue wig that she wore for her 70th birthday.
Hey, that's kind of inconsequential, but random, but correct. Then I'll pull another piece of information.
It'll be, oh, the house got sold that your grandpa had and it was on four acres and your dad didn't like that very much. Okay, it's a little bit more important and more valuable to the reading.
But my point is, is it doesn't come successively. There's so much out there.
So sometimes to connect to like a keyword, people think of it as a back and forth conversation. It's more of the entirety of a bunch of messages is just kind of there to potentially be connected to kind of almost tapped into like a radio station of sorts.
When it comes to Houdini, his role in spiritualism was huge. And what's fascinating in the books I've read about his exploits were the interesting irony of the fraud that he tried to expose.
And the fact that he was often said to be willing to finagle the facts himself if it served his purpose. So he was really against this woman named Marjorie Crandon, who was a very famous medium.
And Houdini's assistant years later claimed that Houdini had snuck a ruler in the cabinet that Marjorie was in and then brought out the ruler after and said, look, she's faking it. She's placed this here.
And according to his own assistant, it was a setup. So the irony here, when we look at the facts of mediums is that mediums certainly have a history and there is fraud in some cases.
Equally, the skeptics have in many times over the cases of years demonstrated fraudulent facts to try to state their case. Wow.
And do you think that the more time you spend with someone, the more information you gather? Like, is it a time spent thing? And would you say that the people closest to you, you have the best read on or it doesn't work like that? The people closest to me, I actually have the hardest time reading because I have bias. I have a horse in the race.
You know, I care about them. I'm invested in their lives and their futures.
It's a lot easier if I'm just reading a stranger, someone I have no real emotional connection with. I obviously wish everybody the best, but it's like reading myself.
It becomes very hard because one's own that intuitive mindset. It's kind of like logical versus creative.
For me, it was actually a lot easier than one would expect. I felt like, of course, the sadness with losing my friend as a teenager, that was a very difficult initiation into a love life and mortality and death.
But, you know, I've been in a relationship for eight years and, you know, I knew the moment I saw my partner that that was going to be the person. I remember I said out loud, this is going to be the person I marry.
And then I said, oh, F, like, cause I was like, oh, you know, I can't believe this. This is nuts.
I'm going to have to completely rework my life and it's going to be a whole thing. And I ended up, you know, meeting him.
We, within a few weeks, you know, we't believe this this is nuts I'm gonna have to completely rework my life and it's gonna be a whole thing and I ended up you know meeting him we within a few weeks you know we're together and ended up moving in together and it's been eight years of the most fulfilling thing of my life I mean beyond career beyond my anything that I could ever achieve the love that I'm able to exchange has been the most valuable so I'm thankful beautiful it's a monologue I better get brownie points later. Yeah.
For this one. If they watch this, put out.
No. Well, it might feel random, but on this show, we have a segment called What Are You Nuts? Gotcha.
And we do, it's people, places, and things. It's funny.
Maybe there's something clairvoyant where you're actually like, oh, this woman is thinking something and it's crazy. But it's people, places and things, gripes with humanity.
You're walking down the streets of Los Angeles and you see somebody and you're like, what are you nuts? Like that is, that's nuts. So we'll give you a minute to think about it.
Josh, you want me to go first? Big or small. It can be anything, anything just currently annoying.
Take your time. We'll give you an example.
I'll go first, Ben. So for my Woody and Nuts moment of of the week and this has happened to me and it sticks in my craw every time if i walk into a store a coffee shop an eatery whatever and you work there this is what i don't want yo or what's up man nah nah you work here hi how are you thanks for coming in don't give me a what's up i feel like you want to fight fight me.
What are you nuts? I mean, the other day I was at a coffee shop. He's like, what's up? I'm like, nothing now, friend.
Nothing now. Don't you fucking what's up me, man? What are you nuts? Just be nuts.
And you don't have to be like, hello, sir. But like, at least just be like, hey, welcome.
What can I get you? Simple. A little formality in the workplace.
A little chivalry. I'm with you.
No fighting words. Exactly.
Absolutely nuts. So my what are you nuts moment is last Thursday, I went to this new restaurant.
We spoke about it called Corner Store in the City. I went with three of my friends, delicious restaurant.
And my friend and I are walking to the restroom. My friend happens, he's behind me.
He happens to fall down the stairs. And he's totally fine, but he slipped.
He fell down the stairs. And the girl behind him was like, oh my God, are you okay? It sort of sparked this like quick romance.
They were talking, exchanged numbers. A couple of days go by.
I get a text from my friend last night a screenshot from the girl the girl texts him hey what's up you at corner store tonight and he's like no why would i why would i be at the restaurant tonight what are you nuts like why like restaurants aren't like bars restaurants aren't like typical hangout spots like i went there on Thursday. Why would I be back there on Saturday night? Are you expecting to see me at the bathroom outside, like outside of the bathroom? Like the whole thing to me was just hysterical.
You at corner store tonight? No. Why would I be there tonight? I was just there two nights.
That is what are you nuts? But it is also just makes me so glad that the three of us are in loving, wonderful relationships because having to text people and be cutesy about it, be like, hey, are you at the restaurant where we met? Yeah. Sounds awful.
Awful. It does.
But also like, what are you nuts? Like, ask her to like, hey, you want to meet up tonight? Not like, hey, do you happen to be at this restaurant that you were at three days ago? Like, of course not. I'm just getting some eggs.
That's weird. You know, ran out of sugar.
Figured out some. Yeah, exactly.
What are you nuts? You know, I think my what are you nuts moment was actually happened about a week ago. I was walking past a store and a lady came out and she said, can you do me a big favor? No, I can't do you a big favor.
I don't even know you. Love it.
So that's my what are you nuts? Just don't ask me. Can you? And next time someone asks you, can you do me a big favor? Just say, fuck no.
Yeah. I don't know you.
No, I can't. My medium.
I can't. Told me to tell you to get fucked.
Well, it is part of a well-balanced, healthy life. Yeah.
To be able to boundaries. Boundaries.

Plug your show one more time.

Thank you for coming on the show.

This was great.

Thank you.

It was really insightful.

You guys are so special.

I just had a really, really good time.

I'm so excited.

We have a whole eight-week series over on Netflix that is live from the other side.

It goes for a very long 45 minutes.

It's very intense.

Anything can happen.

I never know who I'm reading.

I'm very nervous for Tuesday. So you want to watch me faint live on TV? Tune in.
Wow. Wow.
Well, I'll be tuning in. And Tyler, this was an absolute pleasure.
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