Love is NOT Blind with Paige O'Brien Peck

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We're just so good, good, good, good guys. Benjamin, how the hell are you? I'm wonderful because I'm looking at three different shades of green.
I'm looking at your gorgeous green long sleeve. I'm looking at that green mountain water in your green ashwagandha can.
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I'm wonderful. I'm feeling excellent.
I don't know if we updated these wonderful people, but I was sick as a dog, sick as a dog. And now I'm back feeling fantastic.
I have a golf trip this weekend, Josh. I can't think about anything else.
And to carolinas to to tampa josh to tampa to uh northern tampa it's called cabot citrus farms of it and i am incredibly excited this was a been planned for 10 months i said claudia this is happening so please just get it in your head over the last 10 months i'll be leaving you for the weekend i'm so sorry but become comfortable with it. And I have to say, Josh, I can't believe it, but she really is not upset with me.
She is very happy that I'm going. And that means that I have done well over the last 10 months in temporary expectations.
Oh, my God. I can't speak freely because my wife's literally sitting across from me.
You have to. I was going to say, what's it like just being watched as you record? The wonderful Paige O'Brien Pack is here with me, but she has healthy boundaries and doesn't need to be in front of the spotlight every second.
So when I offered her to come on the show, she's like, no need. So shout out, Paige.
Love you. Convincing.
But yes, God, this would be such a good question, Paige we can remember this i think we should do a double pregnant by the way throw on pages mike she's there throw on her mic okay so pages mike is live now why is it i think that as ben mentioned with the wonderful queen claudia my queen page that i, so blessed to be with, that whenever we have to go out of town for any reason whatsoever, we have to pay.

You have to make us pay.

Yes, it's true.

I mean, now it's just harder because we have kids at home and then it's just everything.

There's just so many more, so much more to do.

And I'm like, oh, you get to like, he's like, I have to take a plane tonight and sleep on the plane. I'm like, you get to sleep and not have to worry about waking up with a child.
That's so that sounds so nice. OK, but pre pre kids.
I don't think I would make you used to travel a lot before kids. I don't think.
I don't really care.

Yeah, but I.

Is that true?

I mean, I get to see you and got to go see a show when I was in New York.

So it's, you know, obviously there's some fun things too.

But, and I'm just like, who's better than me?

You know, I'm not at some sports bar eating wings and ogling girls' ta-tas.

You know, screaming for the Patriots.

I'm here working.

Yeah, you're working. You're getting a nice continental breakfast, courtyard Marriott.
You're doing the least. Spring Hill Suite.
You're doing the least. I also feel like, are you very, like, I feel like a big cheerleader when Paige, and she doesn't do it as much as I do, but when she does go out with her friends or has a trip, I am like, rah, rah, cheerleaders.
It's because. Number one.
What do you need? You need dollar bills for the strip club? Let me give you, like, here, take $100 in ones. It's because you can count on one hand how many times.
Honestly, I can count on one hand how many times I've gone away. So I bet you that's what it is, Josh, because over the last 10 months, I've been very sparing, very sparing.
And I said, this yearly golf trip, very important to me. My game at an all-time high.
I'm seeking revenge. Last year, I lost in singles.
I need to win and I need to beat this one kid. His name is Blake.
I need to beat him. This trip is important to to me and I think because I haven't been superfluous with my requests I now I'm not getting any shit yes no like listen I I wonder if I I don't know if I've ever taken the equivalent to a golf trip have I yeah you like to go to Vegas with your brother I do for two for 12 hours no he no which is fine but you like to go to Vegas with your brother.
I do. For 12 hours.
One? No, which is fine. But you like to go and enjoy the hotel and do, I don't know, dinners and stuff like that.
You guys like to do that. My big brother who lives in Florida does come out for something called the Big Smoke, which is the cigar convention in Las Vegas.
Wow, sick. And he goes with all his buddies.
And so I will usually fly out. Yeah.
Usually once a year. Recently, it's been fly out, fly back, same day.
But in the past, it'd be like 24 hours and I'd go, we'd eat some meals, schvitz, have a cigar or seven, and I'd lose us a hundred dollars at Blackjack. I feel terrible for the guy sitting next to you on the plane on a same-day cigar trip.
That's no good. You probably smell terrible.
Not good. Not good.
I love it. I actually hate, I was about to say I love a cigar.
I hate cigars. I love the idea of them so much.
But I just, I'm just a bad cigar smoker. If I smoke a cigar, I have to get those little short stories, as they call them.

And then I just feel like a wuss. Like I'm sitting next to my brother-in-law who's chiefing down like a foot-long cigar.
And I'm here with this short story that I can barely get through without vomiting. Like it's just so emasculinating.
Emasculinating? Emasculating. terrible the open secret about cigars or so i've heard is the longer girthier ones are actually usually smoother because if you think about like a longer rifle barrel right like it's or or a penis maybe but like the shorter ones are like you get because it's closer to where it's ignited, the punch comes in harder.
But if it's longer, it has a longer time to cool down and kind of smooth out. That's fascinating.
Okay. So I should be experimenting with longer cigars, but I've also heard you can't smoke one that's too dark.
I have to smoke the lighter ones, the ones that are too dark or too heavy. So I need a long light one.
A longer one or a darker one would be called a Maduro in some respects, which is more of like an H or like an Anejo. Did I just channel Hilaria Baldwin? We haven't spoken about your love and aficionado for cigars.
I had no idea. I'm not really an aficionado.
I'll smoke one every month and a half, either with my wonderful father-in-law and my brother-in-law. We'll watch a UFC fight and we'll smoke or with my big brother.
But otherwise, I can't ever push myself to really do it.

But I like it.

I like the vibes.

I like a clubhouse.

Thousand percent.

Have you been to Club Macanudo in New York?

Sure.

Good times on Madison Avenue.

Yeah, I love that.

I love it.

Like a nice cigar bar is sick.

And I just love smoking inside.

Fuck yes.

I like smoking during a meal.

Yeah, I'm in.

I'm in.

What's the perfect meal to smoke to? And Olivia Page, feel free to chime in. Something heavy, something heavy that like you need help getting through.
Like honestly, like maybe like a really heavy Italian meal. I think that would be perfect for a nice smoke.
Just help calm the tummy, allow you to eat more, punish you later. But in the moment you're enjoying.
Yes. I think that I can't imagine anything worse than a cigarette and sushi.
That just doesn't seem right. It's not right.
It's not right. And like a piece of bluefin, like it's like caught on the roof of your mouth or the top of your lip because of your dry mouth.
Like I can just envision like a piece of Toro just hanging from the top lip. Not good.
No. What about you? Yeah.
Or I think like,

I think about where people like Asian countries do smoke a lot,

but I think about like Middle Eastern food,

right?

You know,

you're at the Shook,

you're at the Bazaar,

you know, you're having something with weight,

you know,

five,

seven,

eight,

nine spices and one piece of chicken.

A nice,

a nice lamb dish,

a hearty lamb dish.

Yes. Cut through the gaminess.
nice a kuba day and then you're just ripping a hookah i recently was at a wedding josh

where they had hookah oh what a treat that's hot hookah's it hookah's it for a long time now

who is hookah making a comeback first of all hookah is hot hot hot and i just like the the The problem is that the problem is that the problem is that the problem is that the problem

is that the problem is that the problem is that the problem is that the problem is that

the problem is that the problem is that the problem is that the problem is that the problem

is that the problem is that the problem is just like the process, the hot coals. We used to go for hookah every week and we would get double apple mint.
Oh, so good. That goes back to Josh.
Every Thursday, he used to go with his friends to hookah. Every single Thursday for the first five, years of our relationship we didn't have children i know i'm just saying like we didn't even live together and they would i know but they would go they would go they would go i just thought it was so interesting because i just never knew someone who would go to hookah as much as you and your friends i love it i love it we need hookah we hookah, Josh.
Well, you are omitting that I was, we would first nourish. Before we nourished our lungs, we would nourish our spirit at a men's only 12-step meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous.
Me and the bros from 8 to 9.30 in the evening. We'd go there first and then we would go to a little spot called The Spot, which is an outdoor hookah lounge, which is the hottest hookah lounge in all of the San Fernando Valley.
And tell us about your food order because that is always, that goes back to what you guys were saying, but that was more, I i feel like nachos it was chicken the the chicken and cheese nachos were off the hook but mostly we would do like a a typical persian middle eastern food plate like a chicken sultani a kube day beef and then with like the nice rice the shirazi salad a charred tomato like and you you obviously had your own tips for the hookah, right? They give you, yeah, they give you disposable tips. And yeah, it's all outdoors and it's the effing coolest.
And there are armed guards because you cannot trust the people who are smoking there. It's such a vibe.
And I'm thinking the reason hookah is such a vibe is because it's really dangerous, you know? You know, like those hot, boiling hot coals. You always feel like you're doing something a little wrong.
Like, it's so much, and it's delicious. Like, bar everything that we just said, it's the original vape.
So much more tasty. Apple mint, it's delicious.
So bad for you. Awful.
Number one worst, right? Deeply bad for you. Is it the worst thing for you very bad no filter not good ng not good sorry what were you saying page i i was gonna say i threw a surprise birthday party for you there but it wasn't there it was at that other hookah spot it was at blue hookah lounge a little bit further a little different 27 wow dosh was so mad he was like i was like what do you want to do for your birthday? I'd already planned a surprise party at the hookah lounge and with all his friends.
And he was like, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then the day of his birthday, he's sulking.
And he was like, I'm just really sad. I wish we would have done something for my birthday.
And I was like, that sucks. Surprise hookah birthday party.
I never had a surprise party before. It was special.
It was a dream come true. Thank you.
I love learning new things about you, Josh. I didn't know the love for hookah, the deep love for hookah.
And now I'm thinking that we need a hookah episode. Me and you.
Our next in person, we're going to have a hookah in the middle. Hell yes.
I want that. I want a schvitz episode.
All the things we love doing. This is our Patreon.
This is our Patreon, Josh. This is the concept for Patreon.
We do the podcast, but in weird places. Cold plunge.
Yeah. A 60-minute cold plunge.
We induce hypothermia. Yeah.
We die. I'm down.
Yes. I love it.
Paige, you have spectacular ideas. But I do want to get a special pregnancy episode with our two pregnant princesses in April, if we could.
Yes, I would love to. We must.
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It just does. It just does.
There's no, I would like you to stop arguing about it. Good.
I hate when we argue. We really did argue the other week and it was hard on me.
Fine. I take it back.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Olivia didn't say a thing on the group chat. I was like, Olivia, pipe in here.
Defend me. I think she's on bedside.
And then you literally DM me. Stop bothering Olivia with it.
Let's handle it here on this side. But back to the S25 Ultra that actually has 8K resolution on video and an audio eraser, Josh.
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What are we filming?

Our subscription model

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Correct.

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We're filming at 8K resolution, but you know, maybe the steam room, the ticker is ticking a little bit too much. Or maybe the steam.
Yes, there's a little bit too much steam and we want to get rid of that unwanted noise. Boop.
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We don't want people to hear that. Yes, we start hopping trains like hobos.
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Well, you did intimate or you did sort of preview that we were in New York together last week. What a dream.
A dream. But we were going to go schvitz and cult plunge and the great live method.
And I had a feeling because I could just see my little mensch, my little tatala. He was not feeling his best.
And so around five, he said, I'm out. Can't do it.
I said, OK. So I did this wonderful talk at Meta.
Heard of it. And then I, you know what? I treated myself to a show.
Just a nice one of one, me out, party of one, a show. Me, Denzel Washington, Jake Gyllenhaal.
How good was Denzel? I've been telling this story because I really can't stop thinking about the show. It was amazing.
So Denzel and Jake Gyllenhaal are doing Othello on Broadway. And it's amazing because the curtain comes up and Jake Gyllenhaal's on stage and he was excellent like fabulous and he gets a big round of applause but about 10 minutes in denzel walks on stage and people lose their minds like i would it's really special and the best part was this older woman lovely from connecticut of course is next to me and she goes I've been waiting six months for this I bought this ticket on American Express early I'm so excited I go me too I bought mine an hour ago on StubHub for half less less third row the best oh my god wow I thought about you because i know how you get nick's tickets like 10 minutes before right oh you didn't even tell me so you ended up getting a great deal beyond it was 150 bucks with like 30 bucks in fees for a single ticket in the third row of the theater what is there tell me is there a better feeling than getting a ticket last minute great seat for a fraction of the theater.
What is there? Tell me, is there a better feeling than getting a ticket last minute, great seat for a fraction of the price? It is the greatest thrill. The best.
I have such a sickness, Josh. I will do that for Nick games.
And then throughout the entire first quarter, I will still watch StubHub just to see if I could have gotten a better deal. Oh, I do that all the time.
I'm literally like sitting there, not watching the game at all. Just monitoring.
Did I get fucked on StubHub or did I catch a great deal? Oh, it's so good. Oh, you only do that on StubHub? I do that on Google Flights.
I do that on a hotel. I check up to like an hour before.
Oh my God. I didn't even think about that.
I could make myself sick with flights. Yeah.
Yeah. Normally flights only go up.
You ever see flights go down? Flights go up, but hotels sometimes go down depending on how occupied they are. Interesting.
Yeah. Wow.
All right. So Othello, did you meet Denzel? No, I didn't, but I'm sitting there and she's so excited.
And then it's the first stack. And the first stack's about 90 minutes before the intermission.
And so the intermission begins and the woman turns to me and goes, I'm not sure I love it. yikes because it was obviously it's othello and it's denzel so they updated it to like more modern

era of course they don't mess with the writing at all it's Othello and it's Denzel. So they updated it to like more modern era.

Of course, they don't mess with the writing at all.

It's Shakespeare, but they modernized it

the way we've seen, you know, a dozen times before.

She goes, I thought they were going to be in costume.

I think she thought it was going to be like,

to me or not to me.

I was like, oh, honey, you picked the wrong production.

She's like, I think I'm going to go.

And I'm like, okay.

She leaves halfway through.

I actually respected that.

If it ain't for her, you don't got to suffer through an extra half, right?

I'm trying to think what I've ever walked out of.

I definitely walked out of whatever the last Grown Ups was. Wow.
Three. A real scholar here.
I think I walked out of Grown Ups 3 and there are definitely others. That's the, that I remember like watching and thinking this is the worst movie I've ever seen.
Josh walks out of everything. By the way, good.
Way to claw your time back. Fuck them.
They already got your money. They can't also get your time.
Look, I'm not speaking on a turn here because I have a deep love and respect for Adam Sandler and everyone involved in those movies. Those movies are car wrecks.
I mean, they're beyond bad. Even the first one, right? The first one was fine.
The second and third or whatever were so horrendously awful and you see them if you're as big i'm an enormous adam sandler fan i'll see every adam sandler movie he comes out with something i'll watch it same and but those movies are really bad like the i think that when all of them come together like it just doesn't work schneider ch, Chris Rock. What's his name from Kevin James?

Too much. Too much.
I'm trying to think who's to blame. I think it might be Kevin James.
Really? Yeah. I really only like him in King of Queens.
Beyond that, I'm not a Paul Blart guy. Like I think he's kind of, he was a sitcom man.
He wasn't made for the big screen. I'm a fan of the man

I'm a fan of Kevin James as a person

I've not watched too much of his work outside of i've not watched too much of his work but i i like him as a dude but you've seen king of have you seen any king of queens or no we covered this last week not really we spoke we spoke about jerry stiller though i guess you didn't see any of them. I love Jerry.

But yeah, I'm not.

And obviously, like.

Oh, yeah, that was a fun game last week.

Where me guessing what you've seen when you've seen nothing.

Guess, guess, guess.

Nothing.

I told you.

I led you.

We did this game last week, Paige, where I was like, I'm not actually.

And by that, I mean, I have seen an episode or two, but I don't actually like it. Like Friends, Seinfeld, The Office, King of Queens.
Nothing. You don't watch.
You watch very specific shows in television. Yeah.
You don't. He doesn't watch.
Okay. It's smart.
I've never walked out of a movie in my life until Josh and I started dating. And then he always just looks over halfway and is like, you ready to go? And I'm like, oh, I'm kind of enjoying it.
We've done that like 10 times, probably, which is probably the amount of times I've been to a movie in our whole relationship. Ow! He's left every movie.
He's left every movie. I swear.
You just give up. You're like, this isn't for me.
And then let's just go home. Clearly.
I love it. Olivia, you ever walked out of a film? I was just sitting back here trying to remember.
And I think it was like some sort of like Roman film. I don't know.
It was like an action movie in like 2013. And I was like a 13 year old and I just like walked out to go like fuck around the little plaza with my friends like we were I don't it had nothing to do with the film itself the most absurd thing is you were 13 in 2013 whoa yeah I read something yesterday not read saw on a tiktok whenever I say I read I saw it on a tiktok I saw on a tiktok yesterday josh that we are as far from 1990

as 1955 was in 1990 yeah dude that's really fucked up we're old i mean i'm definitely old you're you're a born in the 90s kid so is my wife i'm 80s yeah but like 80s is cool man like you're You're ill.

No, I know.

Trust me, I know.

Honestly, 90s and 80s are really cool.

Olivia, no shade. 2000's not it.
99. 99.
I snuck in. Oh, you're still sick.
I snuck in. That's cool.
Yeah. Olivia was two on 9-11.
1999 might be the best because you still get to be a 90s kid, but like you're young and youthful. Bingo.
Not old and decrepit. Fountain of you.
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Like it is something I really, really try hard not to do is to anyone who's like a generation before me and especially with my kids of like back in my day type shit, it was better in my day type shit. I mean, literally people will say things like's valid or that's sigma and I want to end myself I want to be like if you talk like that again in front of me I'm going to laugh in your face but I'm like were they thinking that when I was like oh word that's dope like yo that's mad crazy or like right no because those cool.
It's that's cool lingo.

No, they weren't thinking that.

The sequel to Duolingo.

It's a cool lingo.

No, they were thinking that it's cool.

Look, the times were cooler.

It's just a fact.

Social media destroyed us.

Like things were,

there was just less pressure.

It was cooler.

It was chiller.

That's it. Now you have to work really,

really hard to like carve out

Thank you. Social media destroyed us.
Like things were, there was just less pressure. It was cooler.
It was chiller. That's it.
Now you have to work really, really hard to like carve out that safe space. But back then everything was safe space because like lives weren't amplified like that.
So, right. Yeah.
It was cooler, Josh. It was cooler.
You could also kind of grow in private. Whereas like now your journey throughout life as exhibited in your social media, every friend who follows you is like, oh, they're going through like an awkward, you know, stage.
Hundred percent. Yeah.
Too much judgment. Access.
As Max started, Max said bro, bro for a minute. And we like put a stop to that.
Yeah, that was't i couldn't i would love him to be a bro kid that would be be sick i think it's like camp and he does they always have especially the camps in the summer where they have like the older kids teaching them that they like to do like baseball camp and it's like the high school kids they learn a lot of words and a lot of slang from those kids for sure. And the kids in his class, now that he's in school that have older brothers, they love to throw around bro.
Bro. So what is Max's number one sport? What are we really pushing him towards these days? He's in t-ball and he's loving it.
He really loves t-ball. He loves soccer.
Wasn't for us. That's fine.
He probably has uncle's pigeon toes. It's very difficult to have sports like that.
But baseball is lateral, right? I guess you have to run the bases. But I feel like you go very side to side when you're fielding.
It's good on the arm. I like baseball for Max.
That's good. That's good.
Also, great scholarship. So many players.
It's not like you're fighting for like five spots on a basketball team nine nine he also really likes golf he likes golf a lot great doing golf camp this summer of that i'll play with him anytime shy has no desire to do any sports whatsoever can't hold a clock can't figure it out but that's okay he has other times more of he strikes me as more of an artist For sure. He is.
More of an artist. What if baby Baruch Hashem, Baruch Hashem, baby Safar is into like extreme sports? I'm talking skateboarding.
I'm talking base diving. Like would that...
My dream. My dream.
That's all I ever wanted. Yeah, I think we've spoken about this.
All that I ever wanted was to be in the X Games. Like my dream.
My dream, I have to dig these pictures like out from somewhere, but I had trick blades and my mom would take me to the Chelsea Piers half pipe and I would climb to the top of the half pipe and I'd get too scared and I'd come down. Same.
Like all I wanted to do was fucking skateboard and trick skate was what they called it where you had like, I had the skates with the little hole for the grinding. Yeah.
And of course, I never and I never did it. But like, that's all I wanted.
And I'm trying to remember his name. Danny something was like this BMX guy that was huge back in the day.
I love that. So, yeah, if he wants to do it, power to him.
Is it dangerous for sure? But like, so cool. It's so cool.
What's cooler than that? Like to be able to rock an earring and it just be like part of your personality like it's it's just you josh had double earrings yeah was it a part of your personality john i was just looking for anything to distract from my size it was so a walking magic trick oh look at over here what's over here in my ear i i remember that i had rollerblades but i was also too fat to grind but i wanted to project that i knew what was up so yeah whatever we'd pass the skate shop like at the mall or whatever whoever i was with i was like oh wait one sec like gotta gotta see something see something and so I would go in and I would ask them I'd be like do you have grind plates which were the plates you put on over your bearings to protect your skate from all your grinding and they would go yeah yeah we do and I'd be like cool and they'd be like do you want them and i'd be like not right now i'm just checking inventory i just want to make sure you have them but i thought you weren't even able to rollerblade your moment it let you rollerblade when everyone was playing roller hockey and you were just on foot because she was worried we have covered this yes i was too fat to blade but i did i did blading in new york and then one because i was sort of like reasonably overweight and then around 14 in the craft service at drake and josh is when i put on an extra 50 on top of the already 50 and that's when she put a stop to it because of compound fractures. It was probably wise.
It was probably wise, even though I have seen there's like this like really, really big trick blader. Do the kids still call it trick blading? They should.
Or do we just call it rollerblading or skating? What do we call it? I don't know if kids rollerblade anymore. I rarely see kids rollerblading.
Skateboards, scooters. Kids are still trick skating.
They're still going to their half-pikes with their skates. No? I don't know.
Some sick K2s. Snowboarding too is another one.
I bought a board. I could never do it.
I couldn't get up. I would fall.
I couldn't get up. It's all core.
Skating, like if you fall when you're skiing, you can just take off one ski and stand up. With snowboarding, you need to physically get back up and use your core.
I could never do it. Did you ever have Heelys? I don't think so.
I feel like Heelys, when did Heelys come out? I did. You did? Yes.
Wow, Olivia. I did not know you were that lit.
Actually, one of my best friends in high school had a pair and and he would hide the wheels in his pockets, and then when the bell would ring, he'd pop them in and then just roll through the hallways. They could never.
Sick. It was awesome.
Hell yes. I was a big Razor scooter guy.
Me too. You like Razors? Big time.
Loved that. I even got the one they came out with a version that had actual wheels.
They were these big big blue, like you had to put air in the tires. Oh, they were razor.
It's like an off road. Yeah, they were sick.
And I remember, I'm sure you remember the store sharper image. Of course.
Sharper image had the razor. If you got a razor anywhere else other than sharper image, knock off razor.
They had the razor. So cool.
That was did when i what i realized when i couldn't trick blade like i went to the scooter brookstone brookstone yes just gizmo gadget store it's so good oh i loved it i loved it should we get to some stories yeah do we have anything big going on is there anything like big gossipy in the pop culture?

Anything you're talking about with your sisters and your group chat with Maddie, Paige? Anything we have? Oh, kind of out of the loop. Well, here's one.
Empty nesters spice up 25-year marriage by meeting new woman becoming a throuple. Our kids love their new bonus, mom.
I always call us empty nesters. Sorry.
All right, Bianca and Philip Luna were about to become empty nesters when they decided to include a third person in their relationship. The Texas couple fell in love with Delane DM and became a closed triad or a throuple.
We like to call it the power of three. When we work together, we can knock out pretty much anything.
What are they? What are they? Builders?

Philip, 52, and Blanca, 49, had been married 25 years,

during which they had a wonderful time being a family and raising their three children.

But it was time to spice things up.

We started trying to meet other couples, just trying to date.

For me, it was figuring out my sexuality.

How much am I willing to explore with my husband there?

And how open are we about having this conversation?

They met Delaine in 2017.

She's very intriguing.

Very gorgeous.

Yeah, they're crushing it.

They're up a close triad.

Each their own.

Good for them.

Good for them.

Paige, could you do that?

No, I can barely handle Josh.

I can barely handle like one person in my life. I think'm good but good good for delaine and blanca i'm just saying it sounds like you have another helping hand to problem solve like i guess sometimes i watch sister wives or is that what it is sister wives and i'm like wow they really do all have each other to like raise each other's kids but but they have a million kids.
So you're like, I just want a nanny. Yeah, I just need help.
Yeah, but a nanny, you have to pay this person. You don't have to pay.
They're there. They're free.
It's free labor. Oh, you're paying.
That's true. They need they.
Yeah, they need. They need this.
They need that. Oh, you're paying.
But speaking of, Jessie from Mormon Wives hit me up this morning. She's ready to come on in April for season two of Mormon Wives.
I've heard this before, but I'm down if she wants to come on. Okay, that's good, right? Yeah, that'll be fantastic.
Fantastic. Love.
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Passengers can't help but wonder if they're next to find themselves uncomfortably close to an abnormally quiet seatmate. Yeah.
Yeah. I told this story like probably a couple months ago on the podcast.
I had a friend who came back also from the Middle East and the person next to him died and they tarped him. Like this, it's crazy.
Like I don't like, I don't, I don't't even get it but i guess you just got to keep flying they're already dead can i have their meal yeah are you eating your pudding what are they they ordered the pasta and i really wanted to try it it's okay can you bring that it's up. Well, men fall in love almost twice as fast

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Makes sense to me, Josh. We're blinded by looks.
Blinded. Is that it? I think so.
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I'm positive that you didn't watch it, but I will just say that it was the worst show I've ever seen in my life. Is it bad? I've seen past seasons where it's been tolerable.
Like this was just like a bad show. And I'm here definitively to tell you, Josh, that love is most certainly not blind.
It's not. Like, it is a portion of love certainly is blind.
You fall in love with somebody's personality, their heart, whatever it may be. But if you find them ugly, there's no looking past that.
There just isn't. You have to have some type of physical attraction.
It doesn't have to be the number one thing. But love is not blind.
Let me ask you this. Is there a code amongst friends where you have your friend, let's say they're like a

really like a strong five, right?

They're not a piece.

Sure.

But they're just, they're shooting too high outside of their demo, like their weight class

as far as looks go.

Do you ever tell them, do you ever go like, you know, Janine, you're a five. You know, it's interesting.
I have a friend who does that, but he's always said that he liked a certain type of girl that just felt out of his league. No question.
But that's always what he was shooting for. And then recently he showed up to a function with somebody that he was dating that was within his own zone.
So I think that after years of rejection, he finally realized that he actually was a five and should be shooting fives. So no, I wouldn't, I haven't told anybody like, Hey bud, you're ugly.
You should be looking for more ugly people to spend your time with. But I think like naturally either they'll get really lucky and they'll find a 10 that is just lack of a better word.
I don't know. Brain dead.
But normally, I think you course correct. What do you think? You're saying life has a way of beating you up.
I think so. Sure.
Oh, there's nothing that makes me happier than when like really pretty people hit that age of like, and by that, I mean, this mostly applies to women. But like when they hit that age of like early 30s and they still haven't found their like, you know, Kevin Costner.
They're like perfect 10 in looks, 10 in the bank, 10 in the job. And then they settle.
They start settling. That's hot.
I love a settle. I love a settling moment.
Me too. It's just like everybody wanted you for a decade and you were too hot.
Right. And now you are so not.
Okay. I feel like it's more men that are like, I want a girl that's hotter than they are.
Because I have so many friends. I have one specific friend who is like, I think she's a catch.
She's so cute. She has great style, everything.
And I've never met anyone in my life who like goes for more average looking guys and it never works out. And I'm like, what is happening? Because she is going like she and she genuinely will be like, he has the best eyes.
I'm like, oh, okay. I didn't see that.
But yeah, I guess, I guess so. Do you know this girl, Josh? You know what I'm talking about.
Okay. Do you actually think that she's good looking? Because I find that when girls say that a girl is a cat, she's not.
She's very, she, she's extremely cute, good looking girl, but she's a bit of an emotional. I think she, her emotions can get the best of her sometimes, but.
Ken, there's always something. It's like, my friend is perfect.
I don't know why nobody wants to date her. It's like, because she's not perfect.
No. Like that's like, there's something wrong.
Yeah. Well, I don't know.
I just think that like, I find that so interesting. She gives everyone a shot.
But there's nothing worse than Love and Us Blind when they do the reveal. And it's like the guy walks out and you could just instantly tell on his face that he's like, oh, shit.
And the girl's like, oh, my God, I'm so happy. This is the best day of my life.
And like runs up to them and the guys, you could just tell instantly not interested. Not feeling.
Did you watch the season page? I didn't. But I've been seeing everyone's Instagram stories and reviews.
It was terrible. Like usually at least there's like some good drama or like these people are interesting.
Like this was just like the least interesting group of people. Yeah.
Last year, wasn't it the Megan or was that two years ago? The Megan Fox girl. Megan Fox thing was last year.
Yeah. That was so entertaining.
So entertaining. Like just a bold faced lie.
Yeah. But she was a good looking girl.
By the way that's neither here nor there doesn't look like megan fox like like i think i'm i think i'm a lovely looking man if i'm in a blind pod with you and i tell you i look like brad pitt you're gonna be disappointed but that's a stretch like you're not a wafey gentile supermodel but if you were like let me think of a stretch like stretch. Yeah.
Who's your doplicator? Vince Vaughn. You're better looking than Vince Vaughn.
But let's say that. No, let's go with your, like if you said John Mayer, I'd be like, that's a stretch, but you're in the ballpark, right? I appreciate you.
If I said John Mayer and I walked out, somebody would be disappointed. And for you.
Oh, who is your doplicganger jay leno no who's your actual like granny and vinnie vinnie chase but that's like me and my best yeah but like if you had said that and then you walked out now i'd be disappointed like adrian i mean god. Yeah, probably.
I hear you. Should we do a speak pipe? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here, we'll get to a speak pipe. If you want to get advice, leave us a message.
Go to speakpipe.com slash good guys. Keep it brief.
Brevity is key. Let's hear from Ashley Jo.
I am a gigantic moron and I need some advice on a birthday gift for my boyfriend. He's really into cooking, very bougie, but also he's in medical school.
I'm in nursing school. We have zero money.
So something on a budget, but that is actually nice. Looking at you, Ben.
Wow. Okay.
Balling on a budget. What can we get you? Ninja Creamy.
It's too expensive, Josh. $1.99.
They're broke, she said. They're broke.
Payment plan? What if you do a really specific ingredient that he can use to cook that he's never cooked with? That's not crazy expensive, but too expensive for an average meal. Saffron.
Yeah. I've heard saffron is wonderful for the body, Josh.
That's a supplement that I've heard that we need. Jesus rice.
Saffron. You can make Jesus rice with it.
Saffron. A kitchen appliance that's cheap, but is really good.
It doesn't exist. Honestly, like I can't think of an appliance.
I do have a favorite new sauce. I don't know if you guys are overweight, but if you are, it's a nice diet sauce.
It's a company called Melinda's and they make Thai sweet chili. That is 10 calories for one tablespoon.
That is out of this world. Melinda's Thai sweet chili.
There's something weird when it's like, when it's like Frank's Ethiopian marinade. Totally.
Melinda's Thai sweet chili. Frank's Ethiopian marinade.
That's funny. What about like, couldn't you get someone a great, this would be probably a hundred bucks.
I have a good one, Josh. No, too expensive.
Waffle Maker. They're cheap as shit on Amazon.
They're amazing. And you can use your waffle maker for so many things, Josh.
Not only waffles, but if you wanted to make crispy rice, you could put rice in the waffle maker and make it nice and crispy and put a little spicy tuna on top. Get a waffle maker.
I love that. Or a panini press or a crepe maker.
Hot. What about an immersion blender, an immersion mixer? That's my favorite.
Oh, that's good that's good for making good soups but they're too broke to own pots page no i didn't hear that part she just said we don't have money i think they're a doctor and a nurse they're they specifically she specifically said we're aspiring doctor and nurse and we are broke okay Okay. Well, you can find one on Amazon, I'm sure.

That's not crazy expensive.

Dressings, soups, anything.

Blender.

Good call.

Let's hear one from Alyssa.

Hey, Moron here.

You on your babies.

So I recently had a baby and my husband and I are going on our first trip without the baby. So my mom is going to be watching Bebe at home while we meet our in-laws in Vegas for a birthday celebration for someone.
My in-laws tend to book connecting rooms at hotels for us. Now, very appreciative that they've booked the room.
However, what are you nuts? This is our first trip after a baby. I don't want a open door in between me and my in-laws.
Is this not absurd behavior? My husband doesn't agree. She's trying to bang.
Yeah, here's the thing. It's kind of, it's annoying for sure.
They are paying though. They're obviously paying, right? I think so.
I think it is weird to need adjoining rooms like let them be it's nuts i agree it's nuts leave them alone i think you're going to see them the whole day the whole trip you don't have to be you don't have to like hear your son canoodling too much yeah i'm yeah no need no need we're out we're out on the adjoining room i'm out on theining room. I can't even, the only time that you would need an adjoining room is when your kids are young.
Like, that's nice, right? Like, you have the parents have a room with their bed, and then it adjoins with the kids that have two twins. Like, that's the only time.
You need it for a family. Sure.
But they've grown past that stage. Agreed.
Next one from Anonymous. So when I get out of the car to walk into the building at work, I don't put my coat on.
It's the winter. I'm in New Jersey.
It's cold. I don't put on my coat because you know what? I'm sweating my ass off in the car.
I've got the heat on 1000. I'm sweating.
I've already had to get myself ready and I'm all hot. And I just like, I don't need a jacket, right? I had a half hour commute.
I'm not wearing a coat for a half hour in the car. So I have the coat in the car.
God forbid, I need it, but I'm not putting it on for the one minute walk to the school. So the lady in my office every day has to make a comment.
Oh my God, where's your jacket? I saw you walking in. Where's your coat? Are you going to get sick? You're going to get pneumonia.
What the heck do I do? Every day I'm like, I don't need a jacket. I'm sweating and the cold air feels good.
Like, what do you do with somebody like that? Every day. Now I have a game with myself and trying to beat her to the office before me so that she doesn't watch me walk in.
Like, cause it's making me crazy. It's every morning.
Any advice is appreciated. I love this woman.
I love, I love her. This happens to me every single time I leave my building.
Like I sometimes wear shorts in the winter because like once like 300 pounds, always 300 pounds. Like you just like do things like that.
Like you wear basketball shorts with a winter coat and I'll always get that like, oh, you're going to get sick. It's like, mind your business.
That's it. Tell this person it's enough.
Like, I'm not going to get sick. I drive to work every day.
I'm outside for 30 seconds. I don't need a coat.
I would just be upfront and honest and say, thanks for your opinion, but I don't need a coat. Josh? I think you set the woman up and you get there early.
You do a background that she wouldn't know you're in your office and you bring a little pashmina, some kind of shawl, some kind of blanket, wrap it around yourself and you FaceTime her, right? The moment you're supposed to be walking in, you go, you were right. I'm dying.
I'm at home. I've got, you know, whatever.
I've got scarlet fever. And you just go, you were right.
I'm so sick. I'm dying.
And I should have worn my coat all those times you mentioned it. And she goes, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.
I know I tried to tell you. You're right.
You're right. And then you storm out of your office and go, what are you, nuts? I'm fine.
Stop it. Stop it.
Yes. I love a setup.
An elaborate prank joke. And and then it's over that's what she needs it's over yes end it yourself checkmate this woman end her you get it a lot with kids people being like put a sweater on that baby i'm like you don't think i tried to put a sweatshirt on my kids like my kids refuse to wear max only wear shorts and t-shirts he will not like getting a sweatshirt on my kids.
Like my kids refuse to wear Max only wear shorts and t-shirts. He will not like getting a sweatshirt on him.
It was really difficult. So I see people now on social media being like, I have to walk around like waving the sweatshirt being like, I tried, he won't put it on.
Like this isn't on me. But we were in Canada.
We got off the plane. I remember that guy stopped us and was like, I have to stop you before you go outside those kids are gonna freeze you need to put a bigger jacket on them and I was like sir respectfully yeah we're walking out the door into a car they won't put them on like what do you want me to do totally people are too nosy like people need to shut the fuck up like it's enough like these aren't your kids what if we maybe maybe we want to expose our kids to a little bit more cold, right? Yeah.
Hermetic stressor. Yeah.
So they can deal with cold. Like, I don't know.
I think we blow this whole cold thing out of proportion. Be cold for a minute.
Learn to deal with it. And then forever, like, isn't that a thing, Josh? Like, think about a cold plunge.
If you get cold exposure early, like maybe you can deal with the cold longer or you just get the flu and die. I don't know.
Like if they get cold enough, they'll put a sweatshirt on. You know, let them feel it.
Let them go outside and be like, oh yeah, you're right. It is freezing out here.
It's snowing. I'll put a sweatshirt on.
And even though, like today, right? Like we're freezing in LA. In actuality, it's 55.
It's chilly, but it's 55. So yeah, if you don't have a jacket on, it's not the end of the world.
And I looked this up because I suspected, and it is true. No, cold weather alone does not make you sick.
However, cold weather can create conditions and make it easier for viruses and other pathogens to spread and cause illness. That's right, mom.
I'm not putting a hat on. I'm not going to get sick.
Correct. Correct.
I know. Correct.
Josh, what was that when we were by the beach when I came to your house, like probably a year ago at this point, and it was like a little bit cold and there was that girl yelling at her mom about her coat. Do you remember that? Yeah.
Yeah. What did she say? I don't even remember.
It was something about wearing like a full down. I mean, you know, where we live by the beach, so it drops below 60 and people are like, oh, thank God.
Let me get out my Canadian goose. I'm like, let me get my Moncler.
Are you well? I know they just want a cute layering moment. I'm like, hun hun or like it'll rain for 11 minutes and i'll be like oh word the hunter rain boots are coming out like yeah yeah it's too much i'm thinking all the time i once it was raining and i put on a down jacket and i had to go to michael's with my sister i was pregnant with max probably nine months pregnant and i'm inside and i was drinking a So I didn't know they had like the heater on.
I have my puffy jacket and the coffee and the heater and I'm pregnant. So I'm like looking at my sister.
I'm like, oh my God, it's really hot in here. And we run into this guy that we know and he's like trying to talk to me and I'm like sweating profusely.
And I look, I'm like, I'm about to pass out. I'm so sorry.
And I had to run out of the store because I was so embarrassed. And to this day, I still like apologize to him every time I see him for almost passing out because I'm like, I'm about to pass out.
I'm so sorry. And I had to run out of the store because I was so embarrassed.

And to this day, I still like apologize to him every time I see him for almost passing out because I thought like, oh, I'm going to be cozy.

And I almost fainted.

I was boiling.

Too good.

Too good.

Should we get to our What Are You Nuts?

Yes.

Our What Are You Nuts moment of the week are our gripes with people, places and things

both big and small, whatever sticking in your craw.

Ben, take it away. I have a good one.
I was wrestling between which one to do, but because Paige is here, she can definitely relate to this. I mean, in New York, we have all of these wonderful parks anyways.
We have all these wonderful parks, but being an expecting father, BH, I'm like taking a deeper look at the parks, like which parks are nice? Where would I like to take him? And I can't stop thinking, Josh, about the fact that all of these slides are metal. And remembering when I was a kid going down that metal slide in 95 degrees and literally burning the bottoms of my thighs.
Like, what are you nuts that these slides, these New York's I don't know if it's just a New York thing, but these New York slides are just made of metal and get boiling hot. All the monkey bars get boiling hot.
Like, what are you nuts? These are children. It's more common in New York.
It's insane. They're old school playgrounds.
They take steel pipes and they use them to make the slides. I saw a kid get absolutely wrecked the other day on a concrete slide at the park.
Max is going down it and he was fine. Shy went to the top and was like, oh no, I don't want to do this.
And he came back down and I saw this kid and the mom and they were holding hands over it. And I'm like, this is a really steep slide and it's made out of concrete.
The girl started tumbling and the mom wouldn't let go of her arm and they're rolling down the mom's arms. It was so crazy.
I've never seen anything like it, but we have concrete slides here. Oh my God.
That is even more of a, what are you nuts? Yeah. Like what is this? Concrete slides? You can't, at least the metal slide you can slide down.
At least it's fast and fun. Concrete is slow and painful.
It's like a smoothed over, like almost like a limestone. Like it's.
The way it's fast and fun. Concrete is slow.
No, it's not. And painful.
It's like a smooth over,

like almost like a limestone.

Like it's.

But the way it's carved.

It's not like asphalt.

The corners on that thing are sharp.

Yeah, it's like built into

like the side of the hill.

The structure.

No good.

Josh, what about you?

My What Are You Nuts

is super petty and super short,

but a lot of people will go,

oh, your name's Florence?

My grandmother's name was Florence.

Who cares?

I'm sorry. What about you? My what are you nuts is super petty and super short, but now people will go, oh, your name's Florence.

My grandmother's name was Florence.

Who cares?

Who cares?

What are you nuts?

Nuts.

I'm totally with you.

What do you want me to do with that information?

Who even cares?

No, no one.

No one cares.

No one cares.

I feel the same way about birthdays.

You're like, oh, my.

I'm like, my birthday's April 3rd.

Oh, my God. Mine is April 8th.
Who cares? Who gives a shit? I'm a Scorpio. Me too.
You want to do our birthdays together? Like, is that what you're pining for? Like, I just met you. And they're five days apart.
It's so good. There's so many things we say and it's like,

what are you nuts?

Who cares?

Totally nuts, folks. What else is nuts is if you don't give this episode five stars, you're nuts.
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