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Mazlemorons, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast.

We are here with a man.

You know him from Catfish.

You know him from your life.

He's been in our lives for decades now.

It's Niamh Shulman, or as his friends call him, Yenive.

Yen Eve.

Yenive.

Yeah, that's actually, it always catches me off guard because once in a while, I'll be out somewhere and someone will say, hey.

So good to see you.

And they'll introduce me or I'll say hello.

And then they'll, we'll be talking and they'll, they'll say like, oh yeah, to their significant other, this is Yaneev.

Like, we went to high school together or middle school, and I forget that I used to be Yaneev.

Yeah, that was my name on you know, my name tags and my homework until, like, kind of until officially, like, high school when people started just calling me Niamh.

But yeah, I was Yanieve for my most of my life.

Beautiful name, huh?

Then it's gorgeous.

You know, Josh was once Josh Peckerman.

Okay, Yeshua.

Yeshua Peckerman.

Yeah.

He was.

He anglicized.

He did.

So

Neve, Yeneeve, Peck, Peckerman.

I'm the only one who kept so fair.

I can't escape.

It's sofer, though, which is pretty.

It is.

It's pretty.

It's passable.

A thousand percent.

It's passable.

They're like, Showman Peckerman, get in line.

Sopher, you get a pass.

Yeah, I'm fine until they see me.

Until they see me.

Do you know, I think this is going to be a super Jewish-centric episode.

Ben went to Yeshiva.

Oh, wow.

He's basically a rabbi.

Wow.

I did.

I did.

Yeshiva is, is that university age, right?

Like after high school?

It's just college.

Yeah, I honestly, I went there because they had a 99% acceptance rate into dental school.

They got all their kids into dental school.

And once upon a time, I wanted to be a dentist.

Wow.

Don't ask me why, but I did.

And so I went there and it was, it was lovely.

It was on 185th in Amsterdam.

Wow.

And even I know you're from the city.

i put the girl the girls school 34th and park tell me how that's fair

that's yeah that's a hike uptown for sure i'm just saying if you could pick between washington heights or flatiron it's not really a fair trade but no i agree i went to yeshiva so you're you're from the city you live in la now or you live in the city i still live in new york city in fact i live in williamsburg now Oh, lovely.

Technically, South Williamsburg.

Yeah, I'm really very close to the measles.

And

wow.

Leave, we don't need that being spread around on the body.

Is that it?

Are the Jews spreading measles?

Are they the Orthodox?

Yeah, they don't vax.

Really?

Yeah.

They are anti-vax.

You didn't know that?

This episode is going to set our whole people back.

Let's move on to Iran.

Let's just go straight to, let's just go straight to the war in Iran then.

Let's keep it late.

What's the deal?

So you're by the Orthodox.

I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm close enough that Fridays at sunset, I hear the wailing siren.

Do you guys know about this?

Yes.

You know.

Yeah.

So every Friday, half an hour before sunset, it sounds like we're being bombed.

I mean, I don't understand why they can't choose a slightly nicer tone, but these

like huge air sirens go off in South Williamsburg so that all of the Orthodox Jews know, you know, finish what you're doing and get home before the sunset.

Right.

Which is, I like it as a reminder.

It is very like grounding.

Like, oh, yeah, it's, it's Shabbat.

but it is a sort of alarming it's it's not a particularly welcoming sound wow and you can hear it across like all of brooklyn i mean it's pretty wild it's it's the not the call to prayer it's the call to rush yeah yeah exactly the call to catch

the call to catch

but it does it reminds me which is nice One thing in particular I love about Niamh is he's just a super dad, which I look up to.

Our friend Casey Neistat loves being a dad.

Ben is a new father to the beautiful Ruby, five weeks old.

Wow.

Yes.

You want to share some dad tips, usher him into dadhood.

You have a daughter.

I have a son.

So Ruben Ruby.

Oh, okay.

Ruben Ruby.

Amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

Definitely.

Josh shouldn't tee that up.

Sorry.

Ruben Ruby.

We went for the 1930s, Ruby, back when we used to name our men Ruby.

I like that.

Thank you.

And yeah, look, it's been a dream.

My wife and and I have done it hand in hand.

We didn't get a night nurse.

Everybody's like, what are you nuts?

And it's like, yeah, we're getting up together.

We're doing it old school.

We finally are getting a nurse.

I was going to say, I think, yes, we need a night nurse.

We need a day nurse.

The day is the time has come.

Right, right, right.

I'll tell you some things.

I'll tell you some things that maybe other people won't or haven't.

You're pretty much, well, you know, you're, you think you're probably doing a lot right now.

And you are, I'm sure.

He really is.

Which is, which is commendable.

but i would say that typically i having had three kids like the first you know six to nine months you kind of don't really know what to do you're like i can't really help with the baby that much you're like i can hold him from time to time and burp him and you know i can you can change diapers but like 95 of the work is the mom right and so you end up feeling kind of like i don't know at least in my case like not sure where to what to do with yourself like you know clean the dishes whatever but kind of just in the way.

And so your job is really just to take care of your wife and just get her whatever she needs.

So that you probably already figured that out.

It's, it's mostly intuitive.

What I think you probably don't know yet, unless, you know, you're different than me, which hopefully you are, I didn't feel much of a connection with my kids initially.

You know, in the movies and media and generally, you know, there's this, I think, very romanticized experience that like the second you look into your child's eyes, your life changes and everything sorts out, and all the noise goes away, and you realize the point of life.

And, like, I think that's bullshit.

I looked at my kids, like, wow, that's a cute baby.

I love that baby.

But, like, I don't, they're not, I don't know them.

I don't, I haven't intimately been connected to them in my womb for the past nine months.

So, like, it's just a cute baby.

It took me like nine months to a year to start to actually feel like, oh, this thing is cool and likes me and cares about me.

Because, you know, again, they only really care about their mom at the beginning.

So, don't feel weird or like there's some rush to like feel some

connection with your kid.

Sometimes it takes time.

At least it does for me.

Right.

And I always sort of felt bad.

I was like,

am I like a soulless, ice-hearted person?

Like, no, it just takes a little bit longer with the dad.

And then your connection starts to, I don't know, do you feel like this rings true at all?

Or are you just a softer, sweeter guy?

I'm

soft as cops.

You're more human than I am.

But I also, and Ben and I talked about it, my kids were formula-fed.

So I got to really step up like

and give her a break.

That's true.

And I'm a big, if you can fit into my, how do I say it?

Like, if you're down to clown in my style, we're good to go.

And with a baby, they have to be.

Right.

So I would be like, baby,

you, you and me, we would go on late night walks, like eight o'clock at night around like the mean streets of Brentwood.

And I'd be like, get in the stroller and I would cozy them up because my, my son was born at the end of December.

And I'd throw in a podcast and I would just walk and get my steps and stare at this kid.

And I was like, you and I are going to be just fine.

Wow.

Like, but it's all, it's all different.

Yeah.

It's all perfect.

I tell you what no one else told me before is I had no idea how difficult breastfeeding is.

Oh my God.

Ben.

It's so difficult.

It's wild.

It's wild.

I mean, all that I'll say, you're not a monster at all for what you're feeling.

I did have a different experience.

I think it's because my wife had a C-section.

I held him first.

I saw him first.

I was with him first.

I looked at him.

I'm like, holy smokes, you look just like me.

And I had a deep emotional, it was crazy.

Did you really feel that, Ben, he looked just like you?

Only, because I feel babies don't look like anything.

Identical.

No, I swear.

I like that.

So you mean like you, like when you were a baby?

Me when I was a baby.

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

Me when I was a baby.

And I will say it's a unique experience that we've gone through.

Josh and I have had completely different experiences, both amazing experiences, but I have, I have really been my wife's baby nurse completely by choice.

But I hear the baby cry.

I wake up.

I pick up the baby.

I change the baby.

I hand it to my wife.

She breastfeeds.

We watch Love Island, the best show in the world.

And that happens every two hours for the last five months.

So I do like you have a little bit more of a connection than I have a little bit more of a connection, but I can absolutely understand why one wouldn't if they weren't doing it like this.

And I'm not even saying that I would recommend this this is so hard and i don't want to now it sounds like i'm i'm not no it doesn't no no no no you're amazing

because i was there all the time doing all the stuff too when yeah but yes we did sleep i did get to sleep through the night because we did have a night nurse but yeah and no shame to that each their own we should like if i could do it again i'm not saying i probably would do that like like really he doesn't know me he can't even see right like i i love him endlessly but he can't see past the nipple that's one thing that you you learn early on.

He can easily be able to do that.

I will say

Nip

that

having had a daughter first,

I felt immediately with my daughter.

I was like, wow, this is amazing.

This child is so cute and so lovely.

And I was so excited to have her around.

And also, you don't really think about children this way, but they're basically roommates.

Yes.

And like new.

friends.

Like you make a friend that you get to hang out with and does whatever you want.

So that was great.

And then I had a son.

Now you started with a son.

So I'm curious what your experience is, but I was surprised and somewhat like embarrassed by the jealousy I felt all of a sudden that my wife was giving so much attention to another guy.

I was like, oh, there's a boy here.

Wow.

Yeah.

I was like, I don't know how I feel about this guy getting like all my wife's attention.

I had only experienced the girl.

And I was like, oh, this is so cute.

There's like another girl around.

Like, yeah, of course they can be besties.

And then I was like, oh, that's a son.

And now my wife loves him and our daughter.

And there's almost no love left for me.

I, yeah, I hate him.

I hate, you know.

Yeah.

I mean, mama's boy is a real thing.

And they also, at least at this age, like he needs her scent, right?

So like, I'll hold him.

Right.

And for the most part, he will cry when I hold him.

There is nothing that I can do to calm him down.

But the second he smells mama.

That's amazing.

Oh, baby.

He's, he's in heaven.

So yeah, I get that for sure.

But it'll be that my wife.

I know, right?

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Can we take a picture?

I'm a huge fan.

I think, wow, amazing.

I'm like, of course we can take a picture.

It made me feel special.

That's all.

Why do you want to take a picture with me?

They said, no, I'm not a fan of you.

I'm a fan of your Discover card.

Like, what do you mean you're a fan of my Discover card?

What are you nuts?

They said they saw me using my Discover card at my local Japanese grocery store and they needed to take a picture with me because the Discover card is famous.

It's accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide.

That percentage is based on the February 2025 Nielsen report.

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I can't believe it.

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let's talk caitlyn clark she is getting bullied and i'm not okay with it yeah i i've sort of seen some of this basketball women's basketball stuff yeah they're just they're just beating there we've only seen it because they're beating the out of her on the court niam like they're literally walking out

yeah poking her in the eye kicking her in the shin she falls to the floor the w nba is doing nothing because it's great for ratings they have people watching games right like that's it but it really the WNBA is turning into the WWE whenever she's on the court.

They're beating the shit out of her.

WNBA.

Yeah.

WWNBA.

They're beating the shit out of her.

It's crazy.

Did you see this recent thing that happened a couple of days ago?

Maybe not.

She basically got poked in the eye and then as she was sort of like, and you know, there is a bit of like in soccer where you overreact to get the call.

Yeah, absolutely.

But she is getting beaten up and then basically just got like bulldozed by another girl as she's reacting and she wound up getting a technical foul for it.

The other girl stayed.

Ben, am I missing anything?

I got the tea.

Yeah.

Because she reacted and kind of pushed someone off of her.

No, I mean, she literally, she got poked in the eye.

She's like nursing her eye.

All of a sudden, this big girl runs up and just shoves her to the floor.

Like, whatever.

She's, it's, it's, they got to do something.

Here, I can't believe we're talking about the WNBA.

That's my, what are you nuts?

Dude, they're on it to the end.

But this is my point.

And Olivia, please, because we're just three dumb, dumb men.

So we need you to set us straight because we're idiots.

Oh, Olivia doesn't like the WNBA.

That was my first dream.

You see,

it was her first stream.

You think she wants to be here with us?

This sucks.

Yeah, true.

True.

Damn it.

She wants to be on some beauty podcast to listen about fucking eyeliner.

No.

Sorry.

But okay, here's my question.

Here, the biggest proponent, the biggest defender of Caitlin Clark right now is Dave Portnoy.

Where is everyone?

Where's like the people watching WNBA that aren't a bunch of dudes chatting who are like, yo, this is crazy, like coming out and supporting Caitlin Clark or coming out in support of other players in the WNBA?

It's just weird that the biggest, most vocal people are like dudes, especially guys like Portnoy.

But don't you think if you wanted to look objectively at the league, you could find the same type of injuries being inflicted on any not and star athlete, but no one cares?

I think normally, yes, but they hate how good she is yeah okay so she's getting extra attention from the players right exactly she's just getting like the lebron attention that comes with the you know being a generational superstar yeah agreed yes did people like lebron or kobe or steph get beaten up like this i don't remember rookies i don't remember specifically either but i do know that you always have a target on your back the nba typically protects its players it's actually the opposite like a lebron would get more foul calls from the refs because he's so good and they want to protect him The WNBA is in a weird place where these women are literally making like 70 grand and Caitlin Clark is making 10 million in endorsements and they're jealous.

Like that's what it is.

Like they're, we're seeing a paradigm shift in the sport live in real time and they fucking hate her.

Like that's it.

They're jealous and they hate her and they're taking it out on her on the court.

Olivia, what's the rebuttal?

Tell us how stupid we are, please.

I don't know.

I'm just looking up right now, like what some of the past, like like a Victor Women, Yama has experienced or like Luca.

And it seems like it is something that happens pretty commonly with just people who are like at the top of their game coming into the league.

There's like a little bit of hazing, a little bit of attention to like throw them off their game because they were so good for so long.

But it is interesting to see like the lack of cultural commentary from like women, but also that might just be like the amount of women that watch basketball in general.

I don't know how high that number is.

It's actually a great question.

I don't know.

Is it more, do more men watch the WNBA than women?

I don't know.

Like, what are the numbers?

The stats on that?

I'm on it.

Thanks, Olivia.

Sheesh.

It's crazy.

It is crazy that this is where we landed.

I love it.

And before we get into catfish, I should say, Niamh, like I think everybody else in the world, I was a huge fan of that show.

Oh, thank you.

It was awesome.

And just like a genius concept ahead of its time.

Loved it.

But yes, I did put out an Instagram story and just ask people if you've ever been catfished.

Are you currently being catfished?

And I got some interesting things.

You want me to read a couple of them?

That's what we're doing.

I'd love to.

Is that cool?

Sure.

I mean, I feel like you are like, is there no greater expert in the world on this?

And will you define catfish for anyone who doesn't exactly know?

Catfish is a term now widely recognized to describe anyone who makes a fake profile on the internet, typically, but not always, but typically with the intention to ensnare someone into a romantic relationship.

At least that's sort of how we use it.

But now the term gets used, you know, more widely to sort of just reference anybody online pretending to be something they're not, which could also be a scammer or, you know, someone seeking revenge, an ex.

Is this because catfishes change?

No, do they?

I don't know.

I don't know.

No.

I don't know.

Hyenas have a pseudo-penis.

I'm sorry?

Yeah, they have like a fake penis.

They do.

The reason we called it.

So the origin of the term catfish comes from the documentary catfish, which was about me, where I stumbled into a relationship on the internet with a large group of people, a family, and then ended up discovering that that family was actually all the creation of one person.

Right.

And in discovering that, we then met that one person's husband.

And he, without realizing it, because we didn't expose her, we didn't, we didn't tell him that she had done this.

She had a story about who we were that he believed.

And so we sort of let her have that and gave her the time and space to explain it to him separately after we left.

But he told this amazing story that he'd heard, I think, in Bible study about sailors, fishermen, who used to go across the, I think, Pacific Ocean from Alaska to China.

And along the way, they would catch cod and they would store them living in the vats of these giant ships.

And at some point, they discovered that because the cod were no longer in the wild and they had, they were limited in space, they would stop swimming around and their muscle and flesh would sort of deteriorate and and they would become less delicious.

Their flavor would diminish.

And somebody had the good idea of putting some catfish in these vats with the cod to chase them around and keep them moving and keep them active.

And he likened his wife to a catfish because she's interesting and unpredictable and like keeps him on his toes.

And he thanked God for the catfish in life because without them, life would be boring and dull.

He so profoundly described her without even realizing just how accurate he was.

And we were so moved by that that we called the documentary Catfish just sort of to highlight his beautiful description of her and people like her, not expecting that it would become a term that people would use to call out liars on the internet.

That was never our intention.

It was sort of a beautiful nod to this woman, but it became what it is.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, like, do you own that term?

Like, how does that work?

No, well, because the word is is a word.

I mean, it was already a word.

There's a new definition in the dictionary because of us.

But no, you can't.

I mean, we, you know, yeah, you can't trademark a word.

So fascinating.

So it's, because you really, you created a word.

I know it existed, but a definition.

Yeah.

So you'd created a definition?

And a dock?

And how many seasons, how many episodes of you basically helping people find their catfish?

We started the show in 2012.

And, you know, it's so funny.

I don't even know if it's technically over yet.

There's been a lot of talk about them ordering another season.

Oh, you mean, wait, Viacom doesn't give straight answers?

My informer.

Well, also, it's been a weird year with CBS and

this whole sale slash Trump.

And so that everyone's kind of not sure what's happening.

But if it's over, which it could be, we did nine seasons, but some of those seasons were like 100 episodes and they aired in like eight or 10 sections.

So the show came on and off the air like 30 times over the course of the last 13 years, and we made almost 300 episodes, I think.

No one has that.

Yeah.

No one has done that.

And they were hour long.

Wow.

That's a successful show, Ben.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

Yeah, I would have loved to have made it to 300.

We're so close.

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Well, there are some people that have left some

pretty sketchy situations.

So maybe if you do get green lit, you can go and help somebody.

Oh, yeah, let's hear what your listener is to say.

Jacqueline said, my mom is being catfished and has been giving away her life savings for the last decade and still thinks her boyfriend is coming

well love is love all right

10 years never met him giving away her life savings well so i guess we should i should probably say this to jaclyn on camera so that she can show her mom right yes you should i don't know your mom's name but jacqueline jacqueline's mom really Please stop giving money to this person.

Not because they aren't lovely and I'm sure affectionate and supportive and there for you, which is important.

But if you believe that this relationship is leading to something more and it's and that's something more is an in-person physical relationship and it hasn't happened yet, it's never going to happen.

So unless you prefer to give your life savings to a stranger who's lying to you, but makes you feel good versus your daughter and hopeful grandchildren, I would say you should just tell them, hey, I don't have any more money to give you and see what they say.

And if they stop talking to you or start pressuring you to find more money to give them, that would probably indicate that that's really all they're after.

This is why I give my money to OnlyFans.

Strangers that make you feel good.

Yeah.

I mean, or just play the lottery.

You've got a better chance of hitting the jackpot with that.

I'm just here thinking how much AI is about to catfish the fuck out of people.

I can't even imagine.

Like my dad.

He's bless his heart, turned 66 the other day.

He'll still, like, he gets a text like, hey, your, your TD bank account needs $200.

Wire immediately.

And he wires and it's gone.

And like, I just know, I'm sure, like, catfishing in the older community is probably even more than it is in younger.

But with AI and being able to see a video of a person that you know actively telling you

something, it's really scary.

It is.

Wow.

I think we should all be going to trade school.

Because in a year or two, the only people with jobs are going to be plumbers and carpenters and electricians.

I mean, it's, we're, I mean, you don't even need to make this podcast anymore.

You could probably have AI make episodes for you.

This podcast sucks.

It would be better for sure if AI was doing it.

There's going to need to be a Jewish trade school to really slowly indoctrinate these.

Like, I thought I was supposed to be a doctor.

You're like, well, Meish,

get out the ruler.

Get some PVC pipe.

Yeah.

Is there a, what's the limit for someone denying that they will see you if you are in some sort of online relationship?

Like do you give them a three-month runway?

Do you give them six months?

Or like the first time they say no, do you go?

I mean, look, obviously geographics play a big part.

So if you happen to fall in love with someone who says or does live far away, that would delay, you know, the ease of meeting up in person to some extent.

But I mean, you know, the problem is if you're a kid, if you're young, if you're a teenager or in your 20s and you don't have any disposable income and you're in school or you live at home or whatever, you just, you can't just up and go, right?

I get why some people really dive into these online relationships because it's fun and it feels good.

And someone cares about you and wants to give you attention.

And you wake up to a text from them and they say goodnight.

It's like, I get why these relationships feel important and people get very close because it's hard to find intimacy and trust these days.

So I think for the genuine relationships that start where one person is deceptive, but not with the intention of deceiving, but because they created a profile because they were insecure or they were exploring their sexuality or their gender identity.

And all of a sudden they made a connection.

And then, you know, they don't expect it to get so intense.

And then it does.

And it's like, oh, well, how do I now reveal that I'm not the person in those pictures or I'm actually.

transitioning or whatever.

I get, I get how those things happen.

So if that's the case and it is a genuine connection, I can see why you will give a longer runway because this person really is caring about you.

They're not asking for money.

They're not messing with you.

They're genuinely, you know, in many cases, in love with you.

So again, like, I don't discourage people from having online relationships that don't turn into physical ones because I think there's a lot you can get out of that.

But if what you want is a physical relationship

and you're talking to this person for,

you know, it's like, you can't put hard, hard to put an exact length on it, but like, I don't know,

certainly a year.

Yeah.

You know, like, but it's also like, if someone denies FaceTiming you more than once, right?

They're probably lying.

Right.

I agree.

Yeah.

Everyone can.

But again, if you, if you're, if, if you're willing to forego FaceTiming because it doesn't really matter and you're getting 90% of what a relationship should be anyway, then great.

Enjoy it.

Like I tell everybody on the show.

before we really start, and it's not usually on camera, but sometimes I get that, I think they put it in.

I say, hey, like, if you're really happy with the relationship, how it is, then tell me now.

Cause like, there's a very low likelihood that at the end of this process, you're going to still have the relationship with this person that you have.

And has anyone ever said yes?

No, everybody wants to know the truth.

And I always warn them, I'm like, hey, well, the truth is probably not going to be something you like.

And they're like, well, I don't, it doesn't matter.

The connection I have with this person is so deep.

So even if they find out they're not who I think they are, like, surely there'll still be some future.

And unfortunately, there is almost never is because attraction does play a huge part.

Also, mystery is, I think, you know, one of the greatest aphrodisiacs.

Like the not knowing and the uncertainty is sexy and fun and exciting.

And then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, never meet your heroes, right?

Yeah.

Because they'll disappoint you in most cases, unless it's like Keanu Reeves or

is there an episode of Reba?

Is there an episode of Catfish that you can't or haven't aired?

There were two, two episodes that didn't air.

Say more.

Yeah.

Well, it's, you know, it's funny.

And they didn't air because of like particularly crazy reasons.

Well, sort of.

So, and honestly, one of them was probably my favorite, favorite hour of television ever.

We helped this young man who lives with his parents in outside of Boston, like in like hard Massachusetts.

You know, like if Mike's

Mike's hard lemonade was a neighborhood, that's where these people live.

Okay.

And the accent thick, you know, right, exactly.

You got it.

And he's mentally, developmentally sort of challenged, but fully functional, super sweet kid, but you know, like lives at home.

He's taken care of by his family.

He's probably in his like late 20s.

I don't know.

And he had, he meets guys on, he's gay and he's gay, which was already like surprising, like that this family is so, so loving and supportive of their gay son.

Okay, but great.

You know, I'm happy to, happy to have seen that.

He meets guys on the internet and he'd had a guy he'd met on the internet who he invited to come and stay with him without telling his parents.

The guy showed up.

The parents were like, Who the hell is this guy?

Adam.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he was like, Oh, this is my boy.

This is my

right, exactly.

This is my boyfriend I met three days ago, and he's going to stay with us now.

Yeah.

And they are so sweet.

They're like, Okay, fine.

He can stay with you.

But of course, he was just sort of a freeloader and he was taking advantage of this poor, sweet guy.

And he stayed there until they could finally kick him out a few weeks.

So he's had experiences already where he got taken advantage of.

He meets this guy online.

He's clearly getting catfished.

The profile shows a picture that's just like so ridiculously not a real person.

I mean, a real person, but like not the guy he's talking to.

And we take him from Boston down to Orlando, which is where this guy is.

And we end up

meeting the guy.

And he's a lovely, sweet guy, but he's, he's a big guy, you know, and he works at Disney World.

And he's, I don't know.

if he's been diagnosed or not, but he's also just like very childlike and just this, they're so sweet.

And the two of them and the, and, the guy from Boston is so happy, doesn't care.

He doesn't fucking care.

He just is so happy that this sweet man genuinely likes him and wants to hang out with him.

And so he takes him to Disney World on this incredible date.

I don't know where they went.

We couldn't go with them to film, but they went.

He took them.

Josh Rosenchingle.

They went to.

And they ended up having like a lovely weekend together.

And I don't know what ended up happening, but you know, the reality of them being together was not in the cards.

But like, it was so sweet and so heartwarming.

And I I was so excited for the episode to air because it really showcased a side of, you know, people and this family and Boston.

Like, it just had a lot of interesting things in it.

And it worked out, which almost never happens.

And I remember getting called in when we were filming one day and they were like, hey, we got bad news, like that, the Boston, Orlando episode, like we can't air it.

And I was like, why?

Apparently, the young man.

who he'd helped from Boston at some point after filming and before the episode would have aired got arrested for public masturbation like in some park.

I don't know what happened.

Who knows what happened, but he, some legal thing happened.

And as a result, liability and the insurance of MTV was like, oh, we can't, we shouldn't air this because this guy, anyway, so it just got like shelved.

It was such a bummer.

That took a

turn.

Wow.

I was here.

I was here all the fields.

Disney World.

They found each other in the world.

This is more, this is just like a sad one that I saw.

This girl in my sorority was catfished by another girl in the sorority.

So this is just mean girls catfishing.

How often do you see that?

Like sometimes it's the sad story, a lonely person, and sometimes it's just like a fucking bitch.

Yeah, there's definitely, it happens for sure.

You know, people want to mess with their enemies.

You know, we also have seen a lot of people who, and this is a really dark kind of subject, but like people who are in relationships, presumably somewhat happy long-term relationships, but are suspicious that their significant other might or would pursue someone.

So they make the fake someone

and essentially, you know, entrap them to see if they'll respond to the DM.

That's called 3D chess.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

I mean, it's mostly women doing this, obviously.

Not because

we started with Caitlin Burke.

We're ending with it.

Josh has like been there, done that.

Yeah.

Right.

Who doesn't have a couple vp actually but actually we we actually had an episode like that where two guys had been in a relationship for a long time and then one of them but the relationship was sort of always on again off again and i guess during one of the off agains one of the guys made a profile to sort of see what his ex or sort of still roommate but whatever was up to and ended up they and ended up weirdly like re-falling in love with him through the fake profile and learning a lot about him and like seeing a side of him that he hadn't ever really seen and then wanting to be with him and, but like, not knowing how to say, well, actually, that's been me the whole time.

It's just like people get themselves into very interesting emotional spots

with the internet.

It's also, do you think there's a part of it where people feel, as long as I'm not acting out physically, this is not the best.

But like, I think people give themselves a lot more leniency when it's just a text.

Yeah, it's not real life.

It's like, you know, it's just online.

So it doesn't, it doesn't really affect anybody, which is, which is obviously wrong.

But let's, yeah.

So I think I was catfished as a young boy.

Tell, do tell.

What I remember is someone appeared in my life over text that was this girl that we would just like, we had somehow met.

I think she worked at like MTV, she said, and I worked for MTV.

And so it was like, we had met in an event and we were like friendly and we would chat.

And then she was just cool.

And we would like chat, chat, chat.

And then eventually like it got like slightly flirtatious but nothing like crazy and i would bring up like i'm gonna she lived in new york and i would be like i'm gonna be in the city like we should get a coffee or whatever and somehow it like never worked out

and then we talked on the phone a couple times and then

I remember specifically once I was like, oh, I'm going to be in the city.

And like, you know, I want to smoke some pot.

Like, I don't know anyone like in the city or whatever.

And she was like, oh, my friend might can meet up with you at a drugstore somewhere.

And like, I met up with her friend who was like a lovely looking person who did not look anything like the pictures that we had exchanged, which were just like profile photos, like nothing crazy.

And I was like, oh, that had to be her.

Like, I think.

Right.

I imagine.

Yeah.

But like, seemed like someone who was much more insecure.

But there was no chemistry.

No.

Right.

And just like a really nice person.

And I was like, oh, you're so-and-so's friends like, yeah.

And she's like, here.

And I was like, okay, here's 20 bucks.

Thanks.

And like, we just chatted for a few minutes.

And then, and then I kind of like pushed to see her again.

I was like, we should really, I'm in the city.

Like, there's no reason why we shouldn't hang out.

And then that was, that sort of ended it.

Wow.

Your catfish was a drug dealer.

Yeah.

That's kind of like.

You really lucked out.

Yeah.

That's nice.

But it it was like a year.

Do you still have their info?

Why you need it?

It's legal now.

it's like my catfish is like a

chinese food delivered

i'm so innocent guys

oh what do you think of that probably right i was catfish for sure for sure yeah i wonder how they got in touch with you initially but you were you had been famous already so so i think she worked

i think she worked like was a publicist or

info somehow had some kind of thing but she was just more behind the scenes like i don't know in a tertiary way yeah weird right it's just weird that i don't have like a strong memory of it no i know i know how those those memories kind of get jumbled yeah yeah

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I have one speakpipe that I thought could be fun.

And then you want to get one of your nuts?

Yeah, I'll remember it, though.

Okay.

Because it's about buyers.

I'll remember it.

Sure.

Okay, this one is going to be,

I think I had a good one.

Oh, this is a good one this is a good one this is a good one okay if you want advice from us you want to ask us questions go to speakpipe.com slash good guys keep it brief brevity is key this one's from cha girl

okay I just have to refresh this this is a drum

this is very brief cha

girl hey good guys

major moron here and

I just need to share this experience I had this isn't like a what are you nuts but like it's teetering so i dated this guy for three years and early on in the relationship i i went through his phone not good whatever that's not what i'm calling it about but i find my way in his tick tock likes when i tell you it was like straight up thousands of videos of only ass no breaks It was, it was shocking.

It was so insane.

And then I'm like, okay, wow, i saw that obviously gotta go in for more what else did i find in his youtube amazon butt scrunch legging try on haul like

i will never forget that search for the rest of my life he was 23 at the time i don't know why saying his age made this feel mean but yeah he did cheat on me a lot and it was a terrible relationship but would just love to hear your guys's thoughts on this like those searches Is that good on him for being creative?

Or is that just like fucking crazy?

I don't know.

But yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

Bye.

Okay.

Well, I think the timing of this is important because doesn't didn't Google buy YouTube?

Oh, yeah.

Right.

Years ago.

Yeah.

Right.

So he may have been searching to buy those leggings as a gift.

And then very good.

Yeah.

Because he probably saw an ad for him because God knows we've all seen the ads.

And he's like, oh, should I get a pair of those for my girlfriend?

Sure.

But he also sounds like he probably was looking at a video.

I like the hypothetical, though.

Yeah.

It's possible that he was just looking to buy.

You never know.

Because you don't want to buy them from the ads.

No.

Because it's always, you always get scammed.

Talk about, you know, scamming.

Sure.

Right.

I made that mistake once on TikTok from the TikTok shop.

What a dumpster fire that sort of business is.

Me too.

just garbage have you ever bought one of those cameos from the african village theme

but i bought one i wanted yeah i wanted to wish my wife a happy birthday that's funny hilarious right so i yeah i paid them 49 never came oh it never came No, Josh, it never came.

You don't deserve that money.

Wow.

I guess you're exploiting these poor people.

What do you mean exploiting?

This is a business.

It's great.

They just, all they have to say is we wish you.

Do you think that whole thing is a scam or some people get them?

No, I think 100% of it is a scam wow i do

i've thought about ordering one of those too because they are kind of funny looking they are they're great they're great you're like i want an i want a village in rwanda to wish my wife a happy birthday why not ruby

yeah never came all right well and the tick tock stuff that was pretty weird the the buttons i will say though tick tock is my sort of safe space because like i don't i mean i'm on there and i use it but like I, yeah, I like to, yeah, I use it sometimes to like more like provocative, yeah.

Yeah, but I mean, if you're, if you need to have a fake account, if you're just going to be, even if you're a civilian, not a public person, right?

I guess that's true.

And you're just using it to be turned on by those kind of accounts, which there are many.

Like, because people, I stopped, there are a couple people which I know they'll be hurt to find out that I unfollowed them.

And when they bring it up, I will say, it's because you liked some wild conspiracy bullshit.

I didn't see my likes.

I think they've just removed it, actually.

But up into a certain point, like they liked some wild, violent conspiracy theory bullshit.

And I'm like, ow.

Like, and I'll tell that.

I'll be like, I can see that.

And you have like millions of followers.

You're crazy.

They'll be like, like, like all that hate on your private account.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't know that you could see that.

That's crazy.

I just assumed the algorithm is, it's very gentle, right?

So if he stops liking pictures of Bucks, he'll never see him again so he was probably just trying to protect his algorithm that's why he was liking so many butts ascorhythm you know

so stupid so stupid that's gonna be my rap name asgorhyth

should we get to what are you nuts yes all right so our what are you nuts moment of the week are gripes with people places and things both big and small whatever's sticking in your craw anything that makes you say what are you nuts take your time ben and i'll go first.

Time to think.

Go for it, Ben.

Your terrible e-bike story, thank God you're okay, made me think that my number one what are you nuts living in New York is the city bike and the accessibility to said city bike.

I understand

as somebody who uses it to get to work, right?

You probably own your bike, you own your helmet.

We should have bike lanes so that you can use it as a mode of transportation.

But tourists coming here, downloading city bike, paying three dollars and then riding without a helmet and getting hit by a car because they don't know how to ride and some of these are electric like you're giving motorcycles yeah to like this person from the netherlands that's never ridden a bike before and they're now in manhattan and then actually the netherlands has more cyclists i think that the netherlands yeah that's a bad example okay to the throw in a different random i just picked a random in fact in fact since i happen to know about this let me let me share some knowledge tell me in the Netherlands, specifically Amsterdam, which is the highest density cyclist city in the world, they don't wear helmets.

And the reason they don't is because there is such a culture of cycling there that the thought that you need to wear a helmet to be protected goes against the cultural agreement that cyclists need to be.

taken seriously and cars have to look out for like it reinforces the importance of everybody else being aware of and watching out for cyclists, which is wild.

And they have very, very few accidents.

I would have picked the Netherlands.

You could have picked anywhere.

I literally just, I picked that out of nowhere.

These Australians, these Russians, anybody.

Yeah, that's better.

Blanket.

tourists coming here who can't ride a bike, having their first experience, no helmet doing it in New York City is a whatie of nuts.

That's my whatey nuts.

My what do you nuts is I was recently doing this gig in Utah for a couple of days and I walk out of the airport and they're nice enough to send me a driver and it was so lovely.

There's a poster board sized sign that says Josh Peck.

And around the driver are about 12 kids

and ranging age from like 14, like 21.

They're like, we saw the sign.

I'm like, so did the astronauts.

Are you nuts?

I looked at the guy.

I said, that sign is too big.

I didn't even say hello.

I was like, it's too big.

It's too big.

I'm so embarrassed.

Like, please.

And he's like, I don't know what to do with it now.

Like, what am I going to throw it away?

I'm I'm like, yeah, throw it away.

I was like, never again do that.

I was like, please.

What are you, nuts?

That is absolutely your worst nightmare.

I'm so sorry that happened.

I was so uncomfortable.

He was such a nice guy.

He's like, I don't know.

They gave me this sign.

I'm like, I get it.

But like, it looks like

you're at a pep rally, my G.

Let's get rid of that.

I feel like I have so many.

things on a day-to-day basis.

Oh, I'll do this one.

I'm very sensitive to lighting.

If I walk into your house and you have a light bulb that is like fluorescent, if you have like a bright white, cold, like office style light bulb in your bedside table lamp, what are you nuts?

Do you know like how unsexy and just

just, it just makes me, I hate, I immediately hate you.

If you, if you're not sensitive to the fact that you have a choice, in the temperature of your light bulb,

you don't exist.

I love it so good this is excellent and it just shows right into your brain yeah what you see it's very yes that's a great way to get nuts yeah because like it's so it's it's your life this is your bedroom this is where you're where you're spending time in your in your home and you want you want this cold harsh lighting No, don't choose such a harsh bulb.

Maybe they didn't know.

You should educate them.

They can go to Home Depot and they can see the difference.

If you don't have the awareness to recognize the difference of like oh i'm in this restaurant the lighting is so soft and warm and then you go home and you turn your lights on you're like this is fine and it's terrible garbage lighting what are you nuts yeah what are you that's cool because all i'm thinking is oh good i'm in your room well i'm just like oh good i'm in someone's room i'm immediately leaving

yeah what are you nuts meet what else anything to plug anything going on anything our listeners should know about oh well funny enough you mentioned cycling because I'm actually just started training for a triathlon.

So I have to, I'm going to soon be one of those guys in the cycling gear.

Okay.

I need a bike.

So if anyone watching wants to sponsor me for my first Half Iron Man, I need a bike.

Do you drink Niamh alcohol?

Yeah.

Okay, Olivia, send Niamh home with some Spritz Society.

Maybe we'll sponsor.

I own an alcohol company.

If you're looking for that, great.

I love the Spritz.

Perhaps we would.

Oh, I see it now on the table there.

Is it like an Aperol Spritz, basically?

Yeah, they're wine-based, sparkling sparkling cocktails.

We have a variety of latest

an investor in a canned wine company already.

Which one?

Graham and Fisk.

It used to be called Man Can.

I think it might still be called Man Can.

They're out of Cleveland.

I'll send you some.

You don't have to get the ones here, but we'll sponsor your cycle.

So I'm doing that.

And actually, I'm doing that with my friend who's blind.

Speaking of people, the only people who would be acceptable to have bad lighting.

And I recently went to his house and half the light bulbs don't work or they like flicker.

And

he's like, I don't care.

So lynchya.

That's funny.

But he's, he's a, we met because I guided him in the New York City Marathon and then we became friends and I've guided him in the Boston Marathon and New York City Marathon again.

And he has done triathlons, which is wild.

And I was like, I want to do that with you.

So we're going to do a half Iron Man this fall.

Wow.

Tether.

Yeah, which is crazy.

So we swim like with a tether between our legs.

And then we get get on a tandem bicycle and he rides behind me and then we run.

Wow.

It's pretty

nuts.

Yeah.

Are you filming that?

Yeah, I'm going to be

making a doc about it.

So cool.

Yeah.

Love that.

Wow.

So that's where I'm really into working with disabled athletes now in running and now, I guess, other sports.

Love it.

It's awesome.

Me too.

Wow.

Sponsor this man.

He's a good person.

We will.

All right.

Well, look out for Neve and Monzo to be able to see.

Come to the Jones Beach Half-Iron Man in September if you want to cheer me on.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

A BMX.

Get him a BMX sponsorship.

I think we already have the tandem bike.

Oh, but I need a bike to train on, right?

Yeah.

Mongoose.

Easy.

Love it.

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