Guys: Episode 107 - Smart Guys with Nick Wiger

Hi, welcome to guys, a podcast about guys.

I am Brian and my co-host, the third smartest person host on this show, Chris James.

Me,

me,

Queber,

Chris James.

Queber's ahead of me.

Yep.

But

all jokes aside, in all seriousness, gosh, I'm a little nervous on this one.

I'm going to find myself in the crosshairs, I would imagine, on this particular episode.

And our guest, a returning guest from a very long time ago, and a cool dude with a tough haircut.

And definitely, like, I think when I decided to do this episode, Smart Guys, I was like, well, well, who's the smartest podcaster I know?

And I sent Nick Weiger a message and he was happy to do it.

Hey, buddy, thanks for having me.

Yeah.

Maybe damning with faint praise, the smartest podcaster, but

I'll take it.

It's a, yeah, I felt

it's one of those things when you say the invite is like, I think I get why you're inviting me to do smart guys because I do fancy myself something of a smart guy, but also I'm kind of like an internet smart guy and I'm not actually actually that smart.

I just have accumulated enough like facts that I can kind of pedantically correct people or, you know, kind of bloviate about topics in the same way I'm kind of doing now.

You know, I like, I'm, I'm pretty good at like bullshitting and I have a decent sized vocabulary.

And that's what I think you need to be like an internet smart guy.

You fooled me.

I'm, I think, I believe you're like, to me, you're a smart guy for sure.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Most number one.

Number one thing about Nick that is smart is he somehow stopped using his phone, basically, which is like that's only a smart guy would be able to figure out how to not be on their phone all day.

My dumbass.

My dumbass is I can't take I'm running into fucking telephone poles because I can't get my head up from that thing, you know?

It's tough.

Yeah, I mean, I did it a few because I was horribly addicted to my phone and to social media.

And I kind of went cold turkey off of social media.

And my phone, I'm not great with, but I'm way better than I used to be.

Like, I'm not buried in it anymore.

I mean, I don't know.

It's, it's, the, the, the smart guy, I will get into it, but it's like there's something

again, if I was actually smart, I'd know whatever the logical fallacy was that was this phenomenon.

But like, I feel like there's something of like, by, by posting, you, as a smart guy, you are identifying yourself as not a smart guy.

You know what I mean?

It's like, because if you were really smart, you wouldn't bother posting.

What do you have to?

Doing more important things or something, maybe.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, there are smart guys we don't even know about them because we're not even smart enough to even understand what they're up to i i know that i had a friend who that i used to know uh who was very very smart and you know a brilliant guy with phds and and

it seemed to me like he was on a different like sometimes it seemed like it was hard for him to communicate like he seemed a little bit weird in a way because he was seemingly so much smarter than we were and had so much more of an understanding of what was going on.

But he didn't, he wasn't like arrogant about, you know, he was still wonderful to hang out with.

And I think that's a big thing that is a difficult thing for smart guys.

Right.

We're going to learn a little bit about, you know, what smart guys think of themselves.

I do want to bring up that one of my favorite things that we're not going to look at because I couldn't really cut it out, but it was so funny to me.

Did you guys know the Facebook page of God?

Remember the Tweet of God?

I remember Tweet Tweet of God.

Yeah, that was a huge fan.

That was one of, yeah, that was a huge, impactful account for me.

And that's one of those things where that guy is like an actual, like, he was like a sitcom writer, right?

I forget what he, what he, what he like created.

He like, it's not, but maybe it was Fresh Prince of Bel Air.

He like created some big sitcom and then became the Tweet of God guy as it is like a second act.

He goes, yeah, he was, he was the god.

He was, he was the god to me.

He was a god to me, I guess.

So I'll read you.

I only have one comment on this, but he posted five days ago.

Why does it seem like high IQ people are often sad and depressed?

And this is on Facebook, by the way.

I don't think, listen, I'm not trying to be mean or anything.

I don't think there's any high IQ people on Facebook of any website.

Like, that would be the one I'd be like, there's no way somebody's smarts on there.

But there's a lot of people who want to fancy themselves smart and will respond to things like that.

And I mean, that one's great.

I have only one response, Chris, and it's this person.

And most of them were like, it's because we see the world more clearly.

Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

It's just a way.

That's not a real genuine question that's being asked.

That's just a way for like fake smart people to sort of, you know, pat themselves on the back and say, like, yeah, I mean, it's because we just, we fucking see what it really is.

That's why, you know?

Right.

Yeah.

I loved it, though.

I loved reading those, but I went to Quora

and they asked, how can one tell if they have a high IQ?

What are some signs that we might be intelligent, but don't realize it?

Now, number one, one thing that means you have a high IQ is that you say, how can one?

That's how you would ask the question.

Right.

Yes.

Intelligent way to say it.

Sigma Man responded to let us know.

One cannot tell the IQ by feeling.

This is how they all talk.

by the way.

Just get used to this.

They all talk very strangely.

Yeah, you don't say you, you say one.

Yeah, and I'm wrong-winded.

I'm writing this down.

I'm writing this down.

Yeah.

One cannot tell their IQ by feeling, as there is nothing but oneself for comparison.

I learned the facts only after using Quora, which I don't think he's.

Sorry, Sigma man.

Signs.

Signs.

Insatiable curiosity.

You want to know a huge number of things.

I was interested in insects, bees, flies, beetles, flutterbys, moths, and most anything else which happened by lizards, frogs and such, locks and keys, electricity, likely more.

I loved cartoons, Beanie and Cecil, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Warner Brothers, and others, which had language jokes in them.

BNC's No Bikini at all.

I don't know what BNC is.

Beanie and Cecil's no bikini at all comes to mind.

Eventually, after a bit of a push, I began teaching myself electronics up through television engineering.

This took years.

Strangely, many high IQ people do poorly in school.

I've talked about this so much lately, but I did have this guy, Jared, that I hung out with that dropped out of school in 10th grade.

And we all thought he was the genius of the group and was like, man, if he'd have stayed in school.

He'd be one of the, he's, he's just too smart for school.

But he wasn't.

He just sat around and smoked weed all day and watched TV.

He was too late, too lazy to do school.

But you guys thought it was like too, he was like on a higher plane.

Yes, we did.

And he was not.

Again, I've mentioned him a few times lately.

He's the guy we used to sit on his bed and smoke out of a bong made out of a Goldschlager bottle and watch wrestling.

If you're lucky, but if you had a falling out with him, then he would not get invited to the bed.

That's fair enough.

I fell out with him many times.

Yeah, you had a lot of fights with him for some time.

I didn't.

It wasn't just me.

The only person that didn't have a falling out with him was nate

i believe that's because nate was like a kind of he was the cool guy yeah cooler not as cool as me he was one under me

you kind of you end up with those high i get i get what you're saying you have like in your group of friends and you're like click in high school you kind of have the hierarchy of like who's the funny guy who's the smart guy like like who's the cool guy i definitely was not like not not like any of those in my group of friends you know what i mean like but um i was just kind kind of like in the, like, just sitting in the middle, like Mario and Mario Kart.

I love the, I love that post because

so much of it is like, oh, yeah, I watch cartoons with sophisticated jokes.

It's like he's saying what got me, what, what made me realize I had a high IQ was not like reading Dostoevsky.

It was like, oh, I got an Instagram ad for a game that said most people can't complete this.

And it was like connecting three lines in a circle.

And I was able to figure it out.

Yeah.

So

I know I have a high IQ.

Ten of them are animals, by the way.

Ten of the things he was interested in were just animals.

He seemed to have a fixation on animals.

But it always, I mentioned this fairly recently.

I don't remember on what, if it was a bonus episode, but it reminds me of the Peggy Hill, that episode of King of the Hill, where they're like, that's Mensa.

Mensa.

It was the Mensa thing, and it was a scam, you know, on these people.

And it does feel like some of this has that sort of vibe to it.

You know, those.

let's take a look at R slash Mensa for some really good questions.

Now, uh, these guys are really smart.

You guys are going to be really freaked out by how smart these guys are.

What was it like dating someone one to two standard deviations lower than you?

Oh, boy.

Okay.

I did not know about standard deviations.

So I don't know how to quantify that, I guess.

So I can't really

have

somebody that has a lower IQ than you do.

I don't know that I've dated someone who has a lower IQ than me, to be honest.

I believe that.

No, I'm serious.

I'm not saying I've only dated.

I got his ass.

Oh, man.

Right now he's looking at.

Oh, right on time, man.

Brian's sending me a sheep.

He's got pages on this thing.

That's such a problem.

Brian sending me a piece of paper.

I need to give my Elgato for that one.

A message

later this evening.

Like, hey, man, do you think you could just edit out that little part to make it sound like I really got you harder?

What the title says, what are some experiences or patterns you've encountered trying to date average or above-average types?

I've tried and been trying to date people, just people I encountered organically as much as you can now, without judging them as much for their character stats.

But there's definitely been some snags.

How has it been for you all?

So we're going to learn.

God, I can't imagine dating someone with merely an an above average intellect.

I mean, come on.

That's that's

a fellow genius to be my partner.

It seems like you could probably figure it out with someone with an above average.

I could understand if you were like an intellectual and it was like important to you to discuss these things.

I guess I'm thinking about it now, though.

If you were like a real like intellectual, you may need to be in a relationship with another, depending on the type of personality that you have.

I could see that if you wanted like, because then what are you going to talk to them about if you're only interested in like that wild, you know?

Yeah.

You need mutual interest.

I get that, but I just can't imagine like it feels so condescending to think about like I'm judging my partner's IQ, you know?

That's evil.

I think rudely

rude is a better word.

Evil is for Airbnb owners.

This is rude.

This guy goes, dating someone one to two standard deviations lower can generally be fine as long as communication is worked out.

However, from my experience, dating an average person three to four standard deviations below can lead to very frustrating experience.

The issue lies in differences in innate logic, which shapes one's critical thinking, reasoning ability, and fluid reasoning, creating significant gaps in comprehension.

The average person tends to be highly susceptible to groupthink,

which is exactly why influencers and social media dominate our society.

Like, this is the dumb, smart guy

thing to say.

He managed to take the thing and turn it into the other argument.

You know, like, he's just sort of, that's kind of cool how he did that.

There's definitely, I will say, like a, a smart guy thing that I, I think I've, I've grown out of, but as a kid or when I was younger, even in my 20s, like if I was like losing an argument badly, I like I, the way I could rationalize it to myself and make myself feel better is like, well, they're just not as smart as me.

So they don't understand, you know?

So I think there's maybe some of that.

Yeah.

I hit a period period where like I did okay.

I did pretty good in college, but I was also 36 when I went.

But I hit, I hit a point where like I had been working at this cable company and I wanted everybody to think I was smarter than them.

Like I was too smart for the job.

Right.

You know what I mean?

That's what I was walking around doing.

Like looking at your textbooks and stuff.

Or like even just like watching middlebrow movies, thinking that I'm watching like high art cinema.

you know what i mean like oh i went and saw kill bill when it came out in the theater i bet none of you did that but you know what i did it was very popular i know that now

yeah and it's like it's like even if you even if you're not really understanding even like some of the you know like you can just still enjoy it just for somebody i had to tell myself that i was too good for that job and too smart for those people yeah yeah yeah um so music i would just tell them like i like pretty regular music.

I would try to pick bands that they've never heard of when we would talk about it.

So I was just always trying to point out how much smarter I was than all of them.

And it just made me, them not like me very much.

This person goes, this lack of critical thinking, inability to effectively reason, coupled with a need for conformity and chasing validation from societal norms, often leads to superficial and materialistic goals.

It becomes hard to align with another who can easily reason and see through the facade.

Yeah, these guys love saying critical thinking, like you don't have critical thinking skills.

And I feel like the new thing I hear more and more that's kind of like, you know, replacing critical thinking, or at least, you know, becoming a plus one to critical thinking is media literacy.

Like, oh, you lack media literacy.

Yeah.

I mean, everybody believes something.

That's something that I've had to come to grips with:

we all believe somebody.

Like we all, there's somebody we all believe is telling the truth.

Now, I don't read the news anymore because it's scary.

So

I don't actually follow any of that stuff.

But I do think like,

like I still follow

people that give the news that I want to hear.

So like that's, I think everybody's doing that.

Even these mensa people, they're in this mensa subreddit.

There's a menta forum that I couldn't get to because I'd have to take an IQ test and pay $107 a year.

I'm not taking an IQ test.

I refuse to do that.

He's like, I'll pay the $107 a year.

That's for sure.

I'd love to.

But I ain't going to.

I would.

I would.

To get my hands on that forum, I would love to pay it.

But I looked at some IQ questions.

I could never.

I took the GRE.

What do you mean?

Like you didn't know the answers to them?

No, at all.

You wouldn't either.

Nobody would know these.

Well,

is that how it, how do it, how does an IQ test, it's asking you questions like that where it's just you get them right or wrong.

How does it, how does it work exactly?

I've never taken one before.

It's like they'll give you like six shapes with different shadings.

I'm like, what's the next shape?

And I looked at them all and I was like, I don't, I don't know what any of these shapes are.

I'm sure there are all sorts of studies that have shown that like IQ is not actually a measure of functional intelligence or, you know, ability to retain knowledge or whatever.

But like it's, it's, my memory of it is, yeah, it was.

actually, Brian, the thing I remember, because I took an IQ test when I was very young.

I was like five or six.

And the one question I remember was like a bunch of cubes.

And I was supposed to count the number of cubes based off of, it was like a pyramid.

And so I was like, supposed to

infer how many cubes were on the other side of it and calculate a total.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, and, but my question, I guess, would be then, Because I remember that.

So, and would I be taking the same test as five-year-old Weiger?

Because I would kill you i would kill you

i would be so much better i'm no offense

like i would be smarter than five-year-old wiger so is it like are they questions that somehow are applicable and not easier for people who have been on the earth for 40 years like it just seems like that would be an impossible question would you have to have to be 14 to get into mensa

So that is like, so they're not going to let a five-year-old into Mensa.

I do think the test.

Imagine if they did, though, how smart that kid would have to be.

Oh, I'd love to watch a movie about that.

They get Dookie Hauser of Mensa.

They'll make a movie where there's a five-year-old in Mensa, and then the sequel can be a dog gets into Mensa.

Oh, yeah.

This goddamn dog is genius.

This person goes, this is a great explanation.

In high school, I dated someone who was a year older than me, but three standard deviations below me in IQ.

Very quickly, it felt like I was in a parent-child relationship, which was a major turnoff.

My current wife is within one standard deviation, can easily engage in high-level discourse on many topics.

She also often defeats me in abstract games, which I find to be very stimulating.

Oh, gosh.

These guys are such nerds.

You can't believe how big a nerds this is.

Would you like to go to the bedroom?

You've defeated me in a game of logic.

Would you like to go to the bedroom?

Wow.

I mean, there's something kind of sweet about the last little part about him, like getting kind of turned on and impressed by her intelligence, a sapiosexual or whatever, whatever, right?

Isn't that like those types of people?

Brian hates that so much.

But he's also saying she's a standard deviation dumber than he is.

So he's

there's an element of like, my dullard of a wife is able to best me in a contest of wits on occasion.

You know, it's like,

it's not entirely a positive thing.

And I do think he's a terrible smart guy.

But it was, I did feel like a niceness for him in that moment where he was like, oh, man.

And he was like so happy in that moment.

But yeah, I mean, you should not, I have never considered

like

how smart I am in comparison to Ariel.

Like that has never been a thing.

And I don't think it should be a thing that you ever think of, you know?

And I would wonder for these guys is like, how often do you bring up, like, have you ever talked to them about standard deviations before?

And is that maybe where things started to go south, perhaps?

I mean, there are things they're numerical, like, does this, this guy know his partner's IQ?

Like, that's what I want to, well, or is, or is he just kind of guesstimating based on their, you know, ability to converse?

That's a good point.

I didn't even think of that.

Yeah, they probably, he's saying it like they know the numbers, right?

Right.

How do you think he acts when he loses those abstract games that he finds?

He did what I did when I lost the escape room.

right like we me and my fam me and my wife and my brother and sister and our our kids all went to an escape room.

Like, not kids, they're 20 years old.

So I shouldn't call them kids.

But so they were able to help.

And we probably got about 60%

done.

And then in the last five minutes, I just stopped and said, this thing doesn't even fucking mean anything.

It doesn't mean you're smart if you finish a fucking escape room.

What the fuck?

This is just a stupid game.

Like, I got so mad at it before I left that I was like, escape rooms are fucking stupid.

And now I am like known as the biggest sore loser of escape room with all my friends.

They're like, he just gave up and

started complaining immediately and said he'll never do it again.

That's how this guy.

It was like a saloon.

Okay.

And there were all these, I don't know, there was a bunch of crap sitting around and you had to move it around and unlock locks.

And there was one skill thing that I did and got it.

And now I'm being told it's because I wouldn't let anybody else try.

But that's not true.

I definitely probably let other people try.

And I was like a really easy.

So it was like a really easy thing to do that was sort of anyone could do.

And then you started

ran in front of everyone and crowded a hole of it so no one else could do it.

Is that I didn't know anybody else wanted to do it in the end.

But yeah, I just know that this guy loses these abstract games and says, this one's bullshit.

This isn't even like a real game for smart people, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

I wonder if he says that out loud, though.

And like, yeah, I wonder how he reacts in the moment.

Um, and then, yeah, maybe he's doing that, and then he's coming back afterwards and saying, I actually loved it.

Like, it was actually great when it happened, just lying to himself.

You know, this person, this last person says, I have an ex that must for sure have been below average.

At one point, I asked her 150 divided by three, and she couldn't answer because the question got her stressed.

There was definitely a lack of connection.

Oh man.

Imagine fucking.

I can't even imagine doing this to like somebody I'm dating at all.

Like, or my wife just being like, oh, she's so fucking stupid.

I don't know.

Why are you asking her that question?

Because you know the answer.

So why are you, why are you, so you're only asking her to test.

It's not like you need her to give you that information.

So you're testing her to see if she knows it?

Yes.

Here's an interesting smart guy thing, Chris and Nick.

Who knows about your membership?

This was the most interesting thing to me.

One of them.

New member here.

I recently took him past the Mensa qualifying test.

At first, I didn't share this with anyone, not even my immediate family.

I was simply curious about the test and the organization.

However, I eventually had to tell my family because I needed to explain why I was going to the airport.

I got a neat flight deal, which so happened to be near the testing center.

Besides, this Mensa is such a a good scam.

People are flying to a place to pay them to take a test that then they're, it's like military recruiting in a way.

I always said this about military recruiting.

They get you in a room, they have you take a test or something like that, and I'm like, you've tested off the charts.

You are honestly would be great for the army because you're just so intelligent and strong, and you should definitely join the army.

That's the same thing with mensas.

Like, they just take the test, they're like, whoo, you are smart.

But anyway, he he goes did they ever sorry sorry on that note did they ever at y'all's like uh like you know local malls did they ever have the scam because they used to that used to happen out here a lot you know and in southern california of

so like they would just approach uh it's like so fucking awful but they like approach teenage girls and be like hey you have a great look you could be a model you should take modeling school and like try to get them into modeling classes and like you know girls of that age insecure about their looks being like oh someone says i could be a professional model let me get my parents to pay hundreds of dollars for modeling classes and photos and shit it's just like it's the same sort of thing with mensa yeah how i i would love to know more i don't know that much about mensa as far as like or learn okay good because i want to know like what do they do like you know what i mean like what do you do it seems to me like it's more of a thing where it's a

It's good to have the title or whatever.

It's like a title.

It's like a Duke or whatever.

That's what I feel like.

It's like a Toastmaster.

Yeah, it's like a grand champion Toastmaster.

It's just only good to tell people that thing.

Like, I don't know what you're actually doing.

It's just sort of a signifier that you're smarter than everyone.

That's the kind of idea behind it.

Well, I think it's again,

your resume is so important for a lot of like really corporate people that like

people that are never going to really move up the ladder in any meaningful way.

Like they might get to like manager, but they're never getting to like regional manager or whatever or like CEO or any of that stuff.

I think they're getting to regional managers.

Hey,

that's right.

I was in that boat.

But anyway, I actually got, I was a lead, which is a low-level position at the cable company, but it's higher than the regular people.

It was up one level, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

I've been a warehouse lead before.

I know it's like just below supervisor, the warehouse lead.

It was just above, you know, forklift drivers.

No pay, though.

No, no, no increase in pay.

Pay, I believe, at the warehouse was like $2 an hour or something.

So it had a bit of of an increase.

But yeah, it really, me and this guy, Sim, we were the two guys.

And it was, you know, it felt pretty good at the time.

I'm not going to lie.

I got demoted back to regular.

That hurts.

That was tough.

That's happened to me twice in my life.

When I worked at Kroger, I got demoted too because they couldn't trust me.

They had this thing called Perimeter, where you walked around the perimeter of a store and you straightened up the shelves.

Yeah.

on the end of the lines and they would have me do it but i'd just be around playing with the palette jack and throwing eggs out the back door and stuff like that.

They were like, Well, you're going to go back to cashier.

We have to keep an eye on you.

We have to keep you in like a space where you're not allowed to leave.

Yeah, that's actually kind of nice, but from them, because it's like, well, you're you're clearly not really, you shouldn't even have a job there, it sounds like.

And so they were nice enough to be like, Hey, let's put you in a position where you can't throw eggs out the back door.

Hucking inventory, like into the parking lot.

I worked at a bookstore, and for me, I remember the straightening shelves thing, the task you're describing, that was like if you got time to lean, you got time to clean.

That was like, if we have any idle time, we're supposed to go around and be straightening all the shelves.

I actually didn't mind that too much because it was just kind of like...

It was kind of brainless, and I got to like actually move around a little bit.

But yeah, I mean, it's so, so that was your primary responsibility was

they also had to put a note on my cashier thing that said, don't let Brian do the sweeping around the store with the broom because I would just disappear and just be gone.

You know what I mean?

Standing out back, smoking.

Were you on, were you doing, uh,

were you doing pills?

Yeah.

Ah, I was just fucking getting high.

I just need to like, for the context of it, I'm not trying to shame you, but for the context of it, it makes more sense.

It makes more sense that you're doing a lot of pills.

This is sort of behavior of someone who's doing drugs as well.

No, I'm just just not, I'm not easy.

I don't think I'm an easy employee to have.

You know what I mean?

Definitely not.

I mean,

fucking zooted, softball tossing fucking eggs.

Yeah, you're out.

You're like, in your other jobs, you're like driving on top of cars, like into ditches with the car.

You're like, you, you, you recommend a guy who ends up getting fired for jacking off at his at his desk.

Like, you're actually maybe the worst,

consistently worst employee that I've ever heard.

And by the way, still to this day, I'm going to say it, I didn't jack off at my desk.

I know.

I know.

I know.

It was him.

No, I know.

That's all on him.

That's personal responsibility, American style.

Besides my family, no one else knows about my Mensa membership.

I'm hesitant to tell my friends because I'm unsure how they might react to the news.

Who knows about your membership and what prompted you to share it with them?

It's a good question.

I'm interested in this.

This is a good question.

I didn't realize it was like a secret society thing.

I thought Mensa was more of like a thing you brag about.

Yeah.

Where you're going, well, I'm in Mensa, so you know.

I think that it's maybe turned a bit of a corner where it used to be a thing where you would do that, but there's like a little bit of mockery to it now.

You know what I mean?

Like popular culture and stuff where I think that not everyone reacts like they used to.

I mean, of the guys we've ever covered that are kind of like this,

I think I'd rather tell people I was a Toastmaster.

than in Mensa, to tell you the truth.

I think you would get better.

100%.

Yeah.

You would get better treatment that way.

Well, and you can also rationalize the Toastmaster thing of just like ah yeah I used to have you know anxiety about speaking in front of people or whatever if you're in mensa you're just trying to prove to people that you're a god genius you know

totally totally yeah

I told my wife I was proud to have scored 154 IQ and I regret telling her now every time I make a mistake,

and then he puts in parentheses what she considers a mistake.

And he goes,

this guy's good.

Oh, there's my mensa genius.

I didn't know Menta Geniuses could mess things up.

Oh,

he is getting lit up.

Just his fucking pants pulled down.

His bare mining stone.

It doesn't really bother me that much.

Oh, there's no way that could not bother

everybody, no matter who.

He is livid.

He's posting about it.

He's so mad.

I would, yeah, yeah.

I think it's so funny.

i tell everybody because mensa is a big part of my life mensa is a wonderful organization that supports a subset of the population i mean just guys that

what because i want to go to a conference now

after reading about this stuff i want to go to a mensa conference i don't think they'll get i don't think you'll get in i don't want to either i can't pass a iq test for sure but i'm not even an iq

you're not going to pass the sniff test brother i mean they're just going to take one look at you they're going to be like this guy ain't no mensa.

Well, it's the same thing with hedonism, too.

I just want to see what's going on.

Hedonism.

Sure, you could get into.

Definitely.

They would ask.

Oh, they tell me I'm too smart.

It's too smart to come to hedonism, too.

Too smart for fucking hedonism, too dumb for Mensa.

What the hell is this guy supposed to do?

They don't lie.

It's like being a cop.

They don't allow you if you're too smart.

Was he saying, like, because he, because he seemed to be,

and maybe I misheard it, but he seemed to be implying that like Mensa does something for the community.

Does he just mean like we prop them up because we are, you know, a part of society?

Or is there actually some like charitable stuff?

Like, does Mensa like do tutoring for underprivileged kids or something or what?

That's what I'm saying.

No, it's for them.

It's for the genius community.

It's literally, I'm serious about that.

I looked it all up.

It's for the genius community.

So they're basically like, by existing, we are propping up society because we have, we're contributing to our intellect.

Reminding people, reminding people, because sometimes, I don't know about you, Nick, but I'll turn on the news sometimes and I'll see some of the stupid stuff happening, goddamn, with the people in Washington or whatever.

And it's nice to just think in the back of my mind, no, there's still a group of smart people out there named Mint.

It just makes you feel a little more calm.

Yeah, that is really part of their mission.

If it ever really goes down, like, it hasn't gotten to a point yet where they've had to step in.

But if it really gets to a point where it's like like end of the world type stuff, then they'll do it, you know?

There's a, there's a, you know, and I actually, there's an ad, there's an Apple TV adaptation that I haven't seen, but I, I do like the books, but Isaac Asimov's foundation series is like kind of that.

It's kind of like, oh, there's the, you know, everything is collapsing and our last our last chance for survival is trusting like the smartest, you know, the most intellectual segment of society and to kind of like create the the template to rebuild.

I think there probably is a little bit of that fantasy among the Mensa that it's just kind of like, hey, if we took over, actually, if Congress was made up of the Mensa contingent, we'd figure out all the society's problems.

Does it work?

And then Americans are the most.

I mean,

it's a little bit more complicated than that, but it's like, I know

in the Simpsons,

there's a Simpsons episode that is a thing of like the Mensa takes over.

And that one is like, I think like a true characterization of what would happen is just these people are just like completely tone deaf and don't understand how to actually relate to human beings, you know?

Yeah.

I'm looking at their constitution right now.

They actually have a disciplinary action part of it, which seems cool.

I'm going to read this one more thing because they do have a mission.

And the mission is

for geniuses to feel included in like

a group or something.

It's silly.

This guy goes, I'm not holding back.

Posted it on Twitter and got the usual, yeah, but IQ's not intelligence and you're not better than me.

Cope response.

And I don't give a shit.

I pinned the post.

Oh,

I don't know about that.

I'm super pissed tired of this being such a stigma while the neighbor's dog has the pronouns it z and identifies proudly as a platypus.

Am I a better human because of it?

No.

Is it part of who I am?

Hell yes.

Own it.

Oh, yeah.

That's cool.

Well, I know for a fact if I see somebody, if I come upon someone's Twitter account and they have a pinned post of their IQ,

well, I know that's a cool guy.

I mean, that's somebody that I'm probably going to want to work with in some way or something.

Yeah.

Here's a really good person.

You guys are going to love this pink monorail here.

Mensa invited me to join when I was a small child, and my mom said no.

She was upset that my less intelligent sister her favorite was not considered smart enough holy fuck she turned down mensa that's because you only get like the fact mensa might come with a contract like in five years or whatever but you might miss out for good

i don't think that they invite people either to tell you the truth no i think that you take a test and you get in mensa so yeah My friends had really odd reactions.

Can't say any of them were positive, but if they had told me that they gained membership, I would have been very positive.

I think envy is the driving force behind all low IQ.

For me, I post that on Facebook and LinkedIn.

Not only do I not care about the negative energy others give me, but now I see clearly how society is negatively impacted by allowing the lower end of the curve to dominate social rules.

Time to change that.

So that's what you were just talking about, Nick.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

No, it's kind of like if we were in charge, we'd know how to administrate society because we actually, and it's this really elitist attitude that i think you get from just surrounding yourself with fellow smart guys and that's probably why this is such a it's such a toxic group it's like it's like kind of like you start to think like hey we are

we are actually superior to other human beings but just by virtue of being in mensa by virtue of having a higher iq uh you know which was was maybe largely conferred to us because of genetics um not something that we actually have a any sort of control over or can claim credit for Just by virtue of being born naturally more intelligent, we deserve to have a higher status than everyone else.

I will say this last person, I think you guys are going to really like wife only.

She has three degrees and is smart and strong-headed, a bit too domineering about how we should run our household.

So I rejoined Mensa and let Mensa's stuff show up in the mail as a humble brag.

It was part of a larger effort to stabilize my household.

That's the most passive-aggressive thing I've ever heard.

Yeah, Jesus Christ.

I mean, that is like, it sounds like you got real issues in your marriage or whatever.

You know what I mean?

Like, why don't you just.

That's a rough one.

That's, I mean, and it's also like that, just the level of insecurity.

Because I will say that, that, you know, my wife is, uh, you know, she works for university.

She works in neuroscience.

She has two degrees.

She's like, she's like very smart.

I would, I would say, like, she's more intelligent.

How many?

What's the, how many standard deviations would you say?

I'd say I'm at least one standard deviation dumber than her.

I might be two or three, honestly.

I don't know what switch tolerance is.

Yeah, it'd be interesting.

It'd be interesting.

It'd be

interesting to ask her how many standard deviations.

I mean, because I don't even know that you could even wrap your head around how many, you know?

I probably couldn't.

I'd hear her start talking about standard deviation.

I was like, thaw,

Nick, Nick, you kill her in trivia.

So it doesn't, that's.

That's true.

That's what really matters.

That's what I matter.

I actually do.

Do you find yourself?

Because this is the thing I find myself is sometimes people are like, oh, hey, Weiger's a smart guy.

Hey, I bet he'd be good at trivia.

I'm actually not good at trivia because it's like a specific sort of thing that I think you have kind of have to practice, you know?

Like, I think you have to like accumulate the right kinds of facts and know how to.

A big part of trivia, in my experience, is like answering quickly.

And I'm just like,

my brain just doesn't recall information that rapidly.

So, yeah,

I'm like not great at trivia.

I put myself at the higher level of trivia.

We have no way to verify how great he is.

I've won several times.

Nick,

we cut you off there.

And I apologize.

That's something we rarely do on the pod.

But what were you saying about your wife before I asked about the standard deviations?

Oh, no, I just like, I can't imagine trying to

it just like it's like what you're saying.

It was just like, it's such a

it's such a passive-aggressive way to have a relationship, to be like, hey, I'm going to, I'm insecure about my spouse being smarter than me.

So I'm going to try to find some way to prove it.

I'm just going to kind of leave, you know,

I'll get a physics test textbook and just sort of like leave it in the bathroom like I'm reading it.

You know what I mean?

It's just like, I don't know.

Why don't you just talk to your partner?

And

it's so fucking weird.

It's like a caddy shack when Chevy Chase is leaving uncashed checks laying around the house when he has a date.

That's like what it reminds me.

Uh, I went to Amazon, and there's a book that I read some reviews of, and it's uh, it's this guy's guy's so fucking dumb.

He doesn't read the book, he just reads reviews of it.

That's right.

Why would I read the book?

I'm reading comic books right now.

This is us, hey we're like, Yeah, let's read some reviews of a book.

This is from IQ Street,

and it's the ultimate activity book for intelligent men.

Oh,

it's got Einstein, an AI version of Einstein on the cover.

That's brilliant to not pay for the likeness or whatever.

Just use the AI.

See, that's your first smart move right there.

It's $13.40.

I could get it delivered tomorrow.

Anyone could.

This guy gives it two stars.

It goes, the ultimate book of typo that even teenage girls can do.

This is an activity book with some puzzles that my 13-year-old daughter can manage.

It contains only about 69 puzzles.

So, this guy, this guy not only hates women, he loathes his own child.

It sounds like his child's stupid.

It sounds like a child's stupid.

I don't know that he hates it.

It just sounds like she's a fucking moron.

My idiotic 13-year-old can do this.

And I hate her.

I mean, you can love your dog.

It doesn't mean your dog's smart.

The guy

loves his daughter like a dog.

I mean, that is such a

fucking 13-year-old daughter can figure this shit out.

13 is an age where that doesn't work as well because they're starting to get a little smarter at 13.

You know what I mean?

If you just said my six-year-old daughter can do this, I'd be like, this is a book for idiots.

Yeah,

13-year-old, there's some very, very smart teenagers for sure, like geniuses, you know, or

could potentially be mental even.

It contains only about six kinds of puzzles on repeat.

But worst of all, of the four puzzles I tried, three contained typos the first completely stumped me as to the word to find was as to what the

he actually wrote r-o-r-d

so it's funny that he also did a typo while he's complaining about typos it might be a sort of a meta he might be doing sort of i do not think so

he goes

The first completely oh, so he goes,

enfant terrible, yeah.

Yet the answer showed the word in the grid as enfant terrible?

A shocking waste of my last few strands of hair.

Another confused Elias and Ellis.

On top of that are many standard typos and spelling mistakes.

So I've given up.

So this guy, I have no idea what he's talking about.

I will say in this reviewer's defense, if the cover is AI and the book is riddled with typos, it's possible the whole thing is just AI garbage, you know?

I think your genius ass has just bought an AI

fucking.

dollar AI purchase.

I just want to say, what kind of fucking moron could get fooled by AI and purchase something, Brian?

Oh, I don't know any.

That's a whole different thing.

Brian, of course, Nick.

Nick, you know this, right?

That Brian listened to an AI song on, and then he ordered it.

And bought the t-shirt, right?

Bought the t-shirt for it, which is one of my favorite things about him that I've ever heard.

Because I don't know anybody who could get fooled by those AI songs, let alone to get so excited.

I played the song, and you said you get why I got confused.

I think I was trying to be nice at the time.

Don't be

totally misrepresented.

Can't think of what the other reviews are seeing.

This is sold as an especially challenging puzzle book, allegedly aimed at intelligent men demanding extra challenges.

That being said, I'm really not sure how simple maze puzzles like we did in school or childish quizzes, quizzes acting what

childish quizzes asking what language certain words derive from is supposed to be taxing add to that to a bunch of simple word searches and the usual mid-range sudoku ads adds up to a bog standard easy puzzle i just love these self-professed geniuses sitting here with the children's ai puzzle

ai activity book a fucking

might as well have a sticker book like one of those sticker books where where you lick the sticker and stick it on the thing.

Making it from front to back, doing every single one.

Like, oh, I just love that, man.

Yeah.

I love it.

I remember having, like, you know,

and I'm old enough where like a lot of my childhood was pre-internet.

So like I remember having those kind of activity books, like having like a big book of logic puzzles or whatever and working through them.

But like I was a child.

Like I cannot imagine buying that as an adult and being like, this is how I'm going to pass my time, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

It's a really one step above.

So, like, when we were young, you would get a coloring book if you were really young.

You get a little bit older, you get a sticker book.

You get a little bit older, you get an activity book where you can connect the dots and do stuff like that.

That's what these guys are doing.

And this line right here is so good.

He goes,

Add to that a bunch of simple word searches, which that's so fucking funny to be in this book anyway.

A word search?

It's such a funny thing to put in there.

So digging like microscope.

When there's a word search, do you not realize right then and there that this is not for genius adults?

A word search that probably has words that the guy doesn't understand.

Like that's the only

in a word search.

You just have to, you don't need to know the meaning of the word for the word search.

You just have to find the letters in the right order.

So adding that.

To that of that, there was a drawing of an owl with a cap and gown next to it.

And I didn't know what I was doing.

I was like, Yeah, you can read a fucking kid's book.

He goes, add to that a bunch of simple word searches and the usual mid-range Sudoku.

Adds up to a bog standard, easy puzzle book dressed up in the Emperor's clothes.

Now I have to rethink it.

Totally easy.

I wasn't even scared from the horror movie.

Like,

that's my favorite thing.

Those are our favorite reviews.

I just love the reviews where you're just like, yeah, like this puzzle book made quick work of this, you know, due to my intellect.

I watched the horror movie.

I give it one star because it didn't scare me.

Nick, we read on the Book Guys episode, a guy reviewing Dracula.

Oh, I heard this.

Yeah.

That guy's my favorite guy.

That's scary.

Yeah, that book wasn't scary.

This guy goes, unsolvable.

This guy goes, unsolvable puzzle, page 35.

Don't buy this product if you want an intellectual challenge.

Puzzles must be solvable to be a challenge in the first place.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

No one else has mentioned it.

I think he just couldn't figure that one children's puzzle out.

No.

And this next person goes, should say for average-brained men, I thought it would be challenging for my 15-year-old, but it was way too easy.

So I also like the parents buying it for their kids.

Yeah.

Like, hey, are you gifted?

Can I hand you this book to figure out if you're a gifted child?

Maybe

ask your child what they're really interested in and then see if they want to get into that versus just a puzzle book or whatever.

Jinxi goes, perhaps if it had had more errors, it could be given as a gag gift, but unlikely so.

That's a good one.

That's good.

That's good.

Purchased for my puzzle-loving husband in hopes that he'd find some challenging or interesting ones within it.

He did not.

If it had been any other adult, I'd have been embarrassed.

Say love y'all.

Her husband.

I didn't see Mensa is probably what the issue was.

Yeah, yeah.

He'd be secretly hiding his mensa membership, and she didn't know.

On our slash IQ test,

they asked, what do you think is more important?

IQ or physical attractiveness.

I'll say physical attractiveness because that's what I have.

You know what I mean?

I think you're also, don't pretend also.

We joke a lot.

Brian, you mentioned you have a degree.

Brian's smart.

He's actually like, not like these guys that we're talking about but brian is a smart person you're also good looking dude i don't disagree but you're a smart guy as well yeah and also

i'm the total package baby i think both i think both you guys are but but also what is this important in what i mean if i want to have if i want to have sexual intercourse with someone for me it's physical attractiveness if i want to solve a puzzle with somebody then i'm going to go with you know intelligence so i think it's a difficult question to answer yeah maybe these factors if you're talking about someone you're going to date like kind of balance out in terms of the totality of the human being, you know, maybe, and maybe it's not just like a, you know, one or the other.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

If you're looking to date somebody, I would say.

I don't really, listen, if I could be real for a second, I don't think of it in that way.

Obviously, you have to be attracted to somebody physically on some level, but I don't.

There's just people that you meet and you have an attraction to.

Like, you know, you're like, I like this person.

I like spending time around this person.

You know, I want to share time with them.

I'm not considering like, all right, what's their stat?

You know, what are they, what are they going to say if I throw a real fucking tough one at them at dinner?

Are they just going to fucking panic or what?

I do make my wife solve puzzles before we have sex.

I kind of hand her a book and I say, this is a high-level Sudoku.

If you can't do it, we ain't fucking.

And she's like, oh, God, I couldn't do it again.

I guess I'm so stupid.

She loves it.

She loves.

Stop it.

Don't talk like that, please.

Katie, oh, she loves to get it.

Stop it.

Stop that.

That's disrespectful.

As long as your IQ is somewhere around average, your attractiveness, you know, she hears these shows like while I'm recording it.

And sometimes will be like, I heard you talking about me.

And I'm like, oh, I wasn't.

I was talking.

That was a different fake wife.

I was going to ask how she hears you, but then I realized there's a hole in your floor.

Yeah, there is.

You could fall through the floor.

That's somebody was, I I was, so yesterday I was recording a POD cast

and my, my shoelaces got wrapped up in my desk chair and I was stuck to my chair.

I couldn't get, I couldn't get them undone.

They were super like tight around there.

And I spent the first 45 minutes of the podcast on the floor on my knees trying to get the chair.

like off of

off of my foot.

I have a question for you.

Did you take your shoe off no great question oh why not

because i don't do that in my house it's a thing man no no

brian i understand that you don't like to wear around but just for the sake of it being caught in a chair just for the fact it'd be easier to get it out i'm saying i didn't take i would feel uncomfortable okay but you did off i'd be on a because because john was like you record with your shoes on like that's like that's that's weird i don't i have bare feet right now i have no socks or gross you're at work right now i also have bare feet right now i will say yeah

barefoot's legal i think nick and i are both in our homes so i think

yeah we're okay you guys might as well be nudists to me

who play pickleball and you're nakeds i do agree with chris because it seemed like you had a a problem that maybe could have been solved by just removing your shoe even just momentarily but it's one that you're so

so against taking off your shoes.

I don't think that's it.

Even when the lace is stuck inside of your chair, you still will not take them off.

That's

what I do.

When I go to somebody's house and they're like, take your shoes off, I was like, I'll just be like, I'll just stand here and stand by the door.

What did you do?

Oh, did you come to my house?

Yeah, you took your shoes off at my house or did I?

No, no, I didn't.

I stood at the door.

No, I let you walk in the house, I think, just not on the, like, just on the hardwood.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's all I stood on.

See, because

I understood that he's like a little, you know, that it's important to him or whatever to not take off his shoes.

But in Canada, you definitely take off your shoes when you come in somebody's house.

Like, it's a standard thing.

It's just so rude to walk in someone's house with shoes.

Yeah, I genuinely, I generally assume if I'm entering someone's home that I'm going to take my shoes off, unless they're like, it's fine.

Yeah.

You know, yes, of course.

I've watched like football games laying on the floor with my feet still on the linoleum peeking around the corner.

Like I've spent a whole part of the street.

That's a little performative, though.

No, is that?

I'm just not taking my shoes off.

I'm in the room with the shoes.

Now, I've asked this before, I think, but like it's not a beautiful feet.

I've told you that.

I know, but it's not a foot odor thing either.

No,

nothing on me stinks, Chris.

I'm obsessed with that.

I know.

I'm obsessed with not stinking.

You're like, you live your life.

You live your whole life like Donny Brosco in the Japanese restaurant when he's got

the recording device.

He's got the bug

in his boot and he won't take his shoes off.

And the scene ends in him beating the shit out of a waiter

in the bathroom just so he can not get busted as a rat.

He would never beat anybody up.

He wouldn't beat up.

Yeah, he wouldn't.

He would antagonize the waiter and then his friends would jump out from behind the fucking curtains and do this.

In this scenario,

this waiter is very old.

So if that's it.

That's especially it.

i wouldn't fight an older brian might push her over then

porno sean i haven't talked to porno's sean in a decade or two so oh i did see him once at a baseball game but oh really like with like recently like a year ago yeah he was going to a baseball game he stopped me and he's like what do you what are you up to now yeah just podcasting yeah yeah yeah and that's how you found out what he was doing for work No, I didn't ask him.

I figured I did.

I did.

I should have asked him, how's the porno store coming along?

Yeah.

do you think he would have been like, oh, yeah, that thing?

Like, I've really moved.

I don't think he would remember that he was trying to open a porno store.

I think, like, I think he was legitimately trying to open a porno store.

I don't think he was collecting porno to whack off to because he had so much porno.

I think

a lot of people have asked to have if he would ever come on the pod.

Do you think he ever would come on?

No.

Okay.

That was.

Because I don't think he likes me because of the,

as I said before, porno sean was in the newspaper once because his son wanted to carry the Blue Lives Matter flag onto the football field at a football game and the school wouldn't let him so porn O'Shaugham was like in the newspaper being like this is America you know and stuff like so I don't think he would like me actually so you don't you know and maybe maybe that little detail maybe maybe he wouldn't be so popular with our listeners

he might it might be a situation where hey let's share some old stories and then maybe he wants to get into some of what's going on in the in the world today and that might not be so good.

I'm not afraid to talk politics.

Let's get them on here.

Let's get it.

I am.

I'm terrified to talk politics and this is a listen, I'm terrified of them and I'm scared of them and they'll never be on this podcast.

And that's that's me putting the hammer down.

As long as your IQ is somewhere around average, your attractiveness will usually carry you the rest of the way.

The halo effect alone will have people perceiving you're smarter than average anyway.

Attractiveness adds over 1 million and intangible benefits over a lifetime.

Be honest, would you want to be more attractive or have a couple points added to your IQ that no one can even see?

So instead of wasting money on a college degree, you'll be better off using it for plastic surgery.

I like this guy going to the IQ test subreddit and telling them, like, you know, you could add over 1 million points and intangible benefits over a lifetime if you're just good looking.

You know?

Yeah, I think there's maybe an element of self-pity in this post of like, maybe this is not like the best looking person, and maybe they're kind of like, you know, what attractive people don't even have to be smart like we are.

Yeah, yeah.

And there is some truth to the fact that attractive people in certain instances have it easier.

You know, people are like tend to be nicer if they're like attracted to someone and they want to like curry favor with them or whatever.

But yeah, this does seem a little bit like sour grapes from old Gil, you know, or something.

I had a hard time finding, and this is maybe indicative of what the IQ community, like what the IQ test is.

I had a really hard time finding people who failed.

You know what I mean?

Like there, there were like almost no people posting.

I took an IQ test and I was like a normal range.

It's always like, I'm so, I took an IQ test and it was 150.

I don't know how high the number goes.

Brian, do you think, I mean, I don't know how much content you have for it.

Maybe we could definitely do it for a guys plus or whatever, whatever, but I think I'm not taking a test.

Let's take an IQ test.

Let's do one live.

Let's do one live.

Because I probably am so low.

Because I look at those shape puzzles and I'm like,

I'd rather be a dudist, priest, to tell you the truth.

I would say I would be almost certain that I would be lower than you, but I think it would be funny and fun to do, and we'd have like a better understanding of what it was.

You know, I'll do one.

I'll do one on, you don't have to.

This guy goes, I don't know.

I like being cute, so maybe attractiveness, but I can be cute and smart.

That's actually a woman.

And this person goes, looks like you're already low on the IQ part.

Wait, what?

That's to a woman saying, I don't know.

I like being cute.

So maybe attractiveness, but I can be cute and smart.

And I think he's giving her a compliment.

By saying, looks like you're already low on the IQ part.

So he's like, you're pretty hot because you're stupid.

So

he's given the worst compliment ever.

Yes, I think it might be the worst compliment.

It's one of the worst compliment attempts I've ever seen, you know?

And he's just like, oh, yeah, listen.

It seems like you're stupid as fucking hell then.

Oh, girl, you're fucking dumb.

Oh, it sounds like you couldn't fucking figure out how to read a fucking book meant for first graders looking the way you look, baby.

Yeah, that's

fucking badass.

Going around calling people's.

This person goes, physical attractiveness is more important.

IQ is way overrated.

Then we get, now we get a smart guy to reply to this.

He goes, nope.

IQ is what got us to the current point of evolution where most people in first world countries can live comfortably, especially lower IQ people.

This is all made possible due to the advancements people of higher intellectual capacity have made.

Beauty may get you somewhere in life, but high intellect has the potential to get everyone somewhere in life, which is just

at the point where

we are now

to say that intelligent men have got us, intelligent people have got us to where we are now.

I think they

have gotten us to a point.

And then there's also these other group of guys that are not so intelligent, but they have something else going on.

And they've brought us to a whole different place.

You know, but there are, obviously, like medical advancements and stuff from genius people have benefited society.

And like, you know, like, I'm just a stupid, you know, like flying and like people who have invented things that are like really, you know, important things for the world.

But yeah, I mean, it's not a good look to say, hey, look where they got us now.

I feel like that reply is like the next step of that reply is kind of like, like, like, how, hey.

How are you even posting this, right?

Like, it's like, like, you have

smart guys to thank for the internet.

Do you have smart guys to thank for this phone in your hand?

Oh, I can't believe they didn't even lay that out on the

right.

Fuck.

Here's an interesting one that I like.

And, you know, you guys know I love a good Reddit fight.

Everybody listening to the show knows I love a good Reddit fight.

And this guy goes to the IQ test subreddit and he goes, I've taken a few IQ tests, and my score ranges from 120 to 155, which makes it a terrible way to appraise intellect.

First of all, a lot of these people

are taking IQ tests in which when you get to the end, you have to pay money to see your results.

So that's one thing that is going, like, they've, they're, they've all been scammed.

Like 90% of these guys have been scammed by that.

Yeah.

And I think that would also be like, so these tests, these paid tests are going to skew higher because they want you to be like, hey, here you go, you know, here you go.

They want to try to make you feel like you, you got your money's worth because you proved that you were smart by paying this scam company.

And then, but there's also the thing of just like, if you were actually smart, you wouldn't pay for a fucking online IQ test.

Yeah, in the first place.

And also, you're right that the

paid ones would skew high because they also want people like they talk about it.

You know what I mean?

Like, spread it around and stuff.

And like, man, you say, I got a one.

Oh, what site did you?

Like, that's, it's such an obvious scam that you would think that the geniuses would.

But again, it's like,

I mean, it's the peg.

Think of that, Peggy Hill.

I love that episode.

Such a great episode.

But yeah, it really is like, it's not highly intelligent people.

It's a different type of people

who are getting scammed in this way.

Like, I don't know what they are exactly, you know?

It's hard to figure out because they're getting scammed.

They're 100%.

They're getting scammed, right?

Yeah.

But, like,

they're passing tests, which I guess are hard.

You know what I mean?

The practice stuff I looked at looked like stuff I could never figure out.

But what about if you practice them a bunch?

You're not allowed to do that.

I actually have a post about that.

We can run over.

You do not do that, Chris.

But don't you think they could do that?

They could just be doing that.

Do you know what I mean?

And then like sharing it and they like just understanding how the tests work and what kind of questions are asked and stuff and just learning that type of stuff and then going and taking a test and

that might be why they're able to score high.

Well, here is, here is, what do the people in Mensa who didn't study for their IQ test think of the people who did study?

I personally think they're just average people who want so desperately to be smart.

So they study for the test and retake it as many times as necessary for them to get their fake IQ score.

Basically, I hate them.

And I think they shouldn't be allowed in Mensa because they're actually not smart.

He also uses the wrong version of their when he says they're actually not smart.

So there is that.

So is there, is Mensa, is it like getting into the baseball hall of fame, like where you can only take the test a certain number of times or can you keep test taking it as long as many times as you pay?

Take it as many times as you want and as many times as you pay.

I think Mensa is a great scam.

Yeah, it seems like it.

It does.

And like,

like Chris said, these aren't like, it's so hard to explain because they do have some sort of intellect

that can like do these puzzles.

And it's like the postman or the Toastmasters in the other way that's like, so

people that can speak in front of people

uh

and engage with them don't need to follow these crazy rules that the toastmasters have the toastmasters is a thing for people who are like unable to have like a regular conversation and are unable to like because they're teaching you they're they're almost teaching you how to relate to people as an alien in a way with Toastmasters.

And I think like, that's kind of what these guys are doing, like that they can relate to each other and sit and talk, but they're not like

there's no practical application for any of the stuff they've done.

You know what I mean?

Going back to the Simpsons episode, that sort of concept of like they have this one type of intelligence.

It's not applicable to meaningful things in society.

And they're like, they can't communicate ideas and stuff like that.

Yeah.

Well, this guy goes, hey there.

First, someone who studies and takes it multiple times really wants to be a Mensa.

Guess what?

When they attend events, they'll realize you can't fake it i appreciate their enthusiasm okay so this is now i'm now i'm so confused again

what what are they they're testing you again at these like or are they just you can't hang in conversation at the events that's right oh that's right

people are gonna like suss them out like single guys like all of a sudden like i fucking think so

i don't know what goes on yeah

you're low on conversation points and you're very high on on like

getting getting it done.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Somebody who just like doesn't have something like,

sorry, what's going on here?

There's like quiet.

And it's like, have you run out of conversation topics and a big alarm goes off?

Get hauled out of the room.

Like, I do love that.

Getting found out by them.

Like, the idea of that, like, how that would actually look

sussing out these people who don't belong there.

Guys, at the Mensa thing, and he's like, did you see the,

have you seen, like, it just names a movie?

Like, and people are like,

are we talking about movies?

We talk about books here.

Movies.

You watch movies?

Sorry, you need a moving picture to engage with something.

Sorry, was it a documentary about a book?

Because I will watch that.

He goes, second, you're about to be trashed for your hate comment.

Most likely you're young and

we don't understand your connotations.

But you shouldn't hate anyone, much less simply because of them being a poser.

Posers abound.

Life is not fair.

Get used to it.

Make every day a great day.

Cheers.

So now

live, laugh, love.

The only other shows we've had people talk about posers is hardcore guys.

Yeah.

And

there was another one, the sky guys.

And now posers come up on the fucking Smart Guys episode.

I love it.

Yeah, it is funny, funny the concept of them being posers because yeah as we keep discussing they're all kind of posers in a way it's just degrees of it you know so it's just like wait a second you're not you're too much of a poser you know yeah i guess probably if you are because it's a it's a whole group of posers it's a whole group of people like larping as like you know intellectuals and so that's like you're really terrified of exposure so you're trying to find other people you can call a witch you know well the op comes back and goes i disagree with you saying not to hate posers, but you were nice about it.

Up vote.

Okay, that's nice.

Very civil.

Civil.

Yeah, it's good advice.

So that person gave good advice.

It was a little bit live, laugh, love, but it was good advice.

Like, just don't worry about it, man.

It's like a part of life.

Just do your own thing.

Just, you know, that's this person goes, I don't really care.

I got in without studying.

Anyone else's techniques are none of my business.

And it's not me that will live with the knowledge that it wasn't taking cold turkey.

Oh, yeah.

OP goes,

thank you for actually answering my question.

I'm not the one who's going to judge you.

When you get to the gates of heaven, it's God that will judge you.

God gives you a quiz.

So you were in Menta.

You have to pass this quiz or you're a liar.

Here's three triangles of different sizes.

What size will the next triangle be?

Just send me to hell.

Just send me to hell, God.

I'm a poser.

Guys in hell.

actually, that one was unsolvable that he gave me.

So

there was a typo that made it unsolvable.

I don't fucking know.

This guy goes, I studied for it and I took the practice test and watched a couple of YouTube videos.

But my quote, studying was learning what types of answers were possible.

Executive dysfunction was getting to me without being able to have some examples of what lines of thinking were likely.

I only took the test once, but I don't think there's anything wrong with people taking it multiple times if they need to.

There are many reasons why someone with high intelligence might flub.

Oh,

very interesting.

Like, very high intelligence.

This guy's saying very, I could be a mensa.

Somebody I was like,

sorry, your brain is going so quick that your mouth can't keep up with it.

You know, you're getting too many thoughts.

Yeah, that noodle.

That could be it.

Definitely.

I heard somebody say flub last night in the hockey game.

And it really, like, I don't know.

It made me pretty, feel, feel pretty happy, you know?

Also, like, just to think of that, that this word that we invented is getting out to the masses.

And, like, people are saying it now on

hockey.

Matt.

My daughter's boyfriend is wearing a hat that says flub on it now.

That's great.

So yours arrived, Aiden.

It must be nice to be in America.

I haven't still gotten my.

Also, my being in Mensa or my own intelligence level are not affected by someone else's membership.

I'm not invalidated by their presence.

I have to think this is a bit of a troll post, though, because you use there and there, both incorrectly, which feels like bait to me.

I love guys that say, I just wrote three paragraphs, but I know you're trying to bait me.

Right.

Listen, I know that I just fucking fell for bait.

Because if it's not a troll post, I'd maybe suggest doing some introspection on why you're so emotionally affected by this.

Have a great day.

OP replies and goes, I'm not emotionally affected by this in any way other than it pisses me off.

That might be a troll.

That might be a troll post.

That's pretty good.

Yeah, that's pretty funny.

I don't care about there, there, or there because it's pointless to have three of them.

See, this person is.

That person is messing with the Mensa people, I'm afraid to say it.

It seems like, yeah, this person's messing with them.

But it is funny to see someone riling them up and how easily they do get riled up.

Oh, this person has a good life.

Seems a bit desperate to me.

I didn't study.

Went to a private psychologist.

The ones I think should not be allowed in, however, are the psychologists.

I think it's a cheat as they know how to give it and already know the answer.

I've known two over the years, but had the attitude that I was smart enough to think about doing this.

So there.

This person goes, what does it matter?

Does it somehow invalidate your intelligence?

It's a non-zero sum situation.

He replies and goes, I'm just curious.

He goes, seems to me you were stating your opinion that you hate them.

That's not curiosity.

And he goes, oh, I'm sorry.

I was under the impression that you actually read my entire post, but it's clear now that you only read the description.

He goes, I did read your post.

in which you don't ask any questions, but you say, basically, I hate them and think that they shouldn't be allowed in Mensa because they're actually not all that smart.

How is that just you being curious?

And he goes, it's me being curious because I asked a question, but you clearly didn't read the post because the literal title title says, what do the people in Mensa who didn't study for their IQ test think of the people who did?

That's a question, you absolute idiot.

And the guy goes, grow up.

And he goes, not my fault.

You don't understand what a question is.

Oh, shit.

So this troll guy now is like, he's really

ruined the sub for all.

He's digging his teeth in on him now.

He knows he's got like a wounded animal there.

And now he's really giving him the boots.

But it did make me think, who, what about the guy who came up with the Mensa questions, IQ questions?

That guy just gets a free pass into Mensa because he obviously knows that he came up with the questions.

So don't ask them that, their brain will start smoking.

You asked that, what about the guy who wrote the questions?

Is he in Mensa?

And then they faint.

Yeah.

Is that real?

So the other one I read a minute ago, where the guy was talking about the inaccurate score.

First of all, this guy uses strange language.

He goes, well, yeah, if you cheese the test, you're going to get an inaccurate score.

I don't know what that would mean, cheese the test.

I guess like fudget, he's meaning fudge it, but what does that mean in this context?

That's the more intelligent way to say fudget.

Okay.

Intelligent.

I'm going to write cheese it.

I'm going to write that down.

So so far, I have two things.

I say one instead of you.

And then now I say cheese it instead of fudge it.

So

I have heard cheese about like, you know, cheesing any sort of, I mean, I feel like I've heard of this in like a, like a video game context.

It's like you're cheesing a boss or something like that.

Like you kind of found an exploit.

So maybe, yeah, maybe there's an equivalent of that in

an exam.

There's sort of a way to show it.

I see.

So it's a shortcut thing.

It's not a, but that is kind of fudging it in a way.

It is kind of fudging it.

Yeah,

there's another thing.

Yeah, but that's okay.

So you think that it might, it's, it's a workaround.

You found a way to like game the system or whatever.

I, I think that's what, I think that's what the poster is trying to say.

But, but this is, this whole thing is, and, and Chris, you're kind of like doing the rundown of smart guy things.

I, this is another one that I'm, that I'm reminded of is just like the this style of argument where you're kind of like trying to say you're you're acting like you're not mad or you're above it while you're so mad.

You know what I mean?

Like like you're just trying to like like have this sort of

stilted detached intellectual language to try to dissect someone else's argument, but clearly like you're the fucking angriest person in the subtext is like, fuck you, you fucking asshole, but you won't actually say that.

Yeah, because that's how like a brute kind of like somebody.

You know, that's how they would act.

That's how Ty would say.

Some aggressive buffoon would act that way not me i don't want to

i i have emotional intelligence so i'm able to yeah this guy on iq test says are dog people are generally lower iq than cat people or the other way around oh most definitely idiot dog people are idiots oh that's actually the thing it goes researchers examining the differences between dog people and cat people found that feline fans score higher on intelligent tests and are more introverted, open-minded, and sensitive.

On the other hand, dog people are more outgoing and energetic and they prefer to follow the rules.

It's always been common knowledge cat people are smarter than dog people or more

obedient.

I'd love to see the sample size on that.

I want to see the control group.

I want to see how they figure that information out.

I don't think it's accurate at all.

It's true, actually.

People with no animals are actually considered to be the smartest level.

Nick,

what is your animal situation?

No animals.

Yeah, that's it.

Do you see what I'm saying?

Hang on, though.

What do you guys do?

What about me?

I must be the dumbest guy ever because I got a dog and a cat.

Oh, boy.

Average intellect.

You're an average intellect.

We're just dumb.

Yeah, you're basically dumb.

I mean, that's true.

I think I probably am average intellect.

So I think that's probably accurate, which, yeah, to the smart guys means I'm the dumbest guy ever.

Yeah, average intellect is, you might as well be considered the dumbest guy in the world.

This guy goes, interesting.

Can you please point me to where you found this?

And then the person never replies, which i like because what if i just think dogs look cuter does that make me dumb does that that make me a dumb rule following robot and then the last guy goes i would like a source on this don't know about the cat and dog thing but most of the smart people i know are also extroverts so

let's do some jokes nick you're you've done improv you're a comedian chris you're you've done stand-up comedy I have done stand-up comedy.

We don't talk about it very much, but I have.

I used to tread the boards.

Well,

I'm going to read some jokes to you guys that I found about smart people, high IQ individuals.

So these aren't written by smart people.

These are written about smart people.

This is for smart people.

It's actually 20 jokes only very intelligent people will understand.

Okay, so then it was written by a fellow smart person, it sounds.

Got it.

I just wanted to make sure.

Yeah, I wanted to make sure it wasn't going to be like derogatory or anything.

No, no, no, no.

Three logicians walk into a bar.

The barman asks three beers.

The first logician says, I don't know.

The second logician says, I don't know.

The third logician says, yes.

What's a logician?

Someone who specializes in logic.

And that's the kind of thing where there's like all these,

it's like, there's high-level logic.

I've never actually taken a logic class, so

I don't really get this joke.

But

there's like mathematical sort of rules.

I don't know if it's an actual branch of maths or if it's like a, you know, it's like kind of a pseudo-science, but yeah, it's a real thing.

It's interesting to see the levels of intelligence because, like, Nick is like, he, he's not quite smart enough to understand like on their level of that.

And then me, I don't even know what the word means.

It is, that's like debate, right?

Like, we all, I think everybody thinks that.

Yeah, right.

Debate is like a comparison.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause everybody thinks debate club is like just people being like, oh, what about this?

You know what I mean?

Like when you, when, when I, like when me and Chris debate each other on a show and I always win,

like that's a different kind of debating.

There's like a, there's like an addition and there is like a massive

formality to it.

Yeah, there are their rules, there are judges, and you are, you are getting points, not on how like effective your argument is in the abstract, but in terms of how it's meeting certain criteria.

And yeah, I think the, I think the formal logic is a similar sort of thing.

It's even hard for a person that's not part of that culture to under wouldn't even understand a debate if they were watching it because it's so

sort of difficult.

I would love to hear that.

Now that I know what a logician is, I would love to hear that joke again.

Well, what about this one, Chris?

I think.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Here we go.

And there is an explanation for the joke under it if you need that.

Oh, great.

Three logicians walk into a bar.

The barman has three beers.

The first logician says, I don't know.

The second logician says, I don't know.

The third logician says, yes.

Smart guy laugh.

That's a smart guy laugh.

That's all I tried to do.

And I tried to do a smart guy laughing.

Being that the three men are logicians, their entire mentality is based off solid reasoning and truth.

You can say yes to the bartender only if you're certain all three individuals want a beer.

You can say no if either of them do not want a beer.

The first man wants a beer.

However, this he's uncertain if the others want a beer and says, I don't know.

Same reasoning for the second man.

The third guy knows he wants a beer and that his friends want one as well, or they would have said no, i.e., no, we don't want three beers.

I love when they explain it, Joe.

That's really good.

These are like the people who laugh at these jokes are like the people who like laugh out loud in class when you're like reading Shakespeare.

You know, yeah, like trying to understand what the fuck he's talking about.

And you're like, when you hear, like, as you like it is one of Shakespeare's best comedies.

And you're like, I haven't laughed once.

This is the least funny shit in the world.

So they like try to do it.

That's actually my favorite Shakespeare is As You Like It.

That's why I brought it up.

They

figure out like what are supposed to be jokes.

Like they can recognize, they figure out like, oh, okay, this was a joke.

And then that's when they know that it's laugh time.

Here's a good one.

What did the cell say to his sister cell when stepping on his foot?

I'm not sure.

Mitosis.

Mitosis.

Mitosis, Chris.

Come on, man.

Well, that one's not really a smart guy one, though, is it?

I mean, I guess it's just knowing the vocabulary word mitosis.

And that's it sounds like mitosis.

But yeah, I don't know how much of a smart guy joke that is.

Smart enough that I didn't know it, though.

See, that one divided Nick and I.

Where, again,

this is a pretty good barometer, I feel like.

I got it it too.

Well, I don't know that we can verify that, though.

I did.

How many surrealists does it take to screw in a light ball?

It's a surrealist.

What's their name?

You know, it's a realist.

Yeah, I know.

I'll give it to you.

Here we go.

You guys are going to laugh so hard.

Okay,

a fish.

This is smart guy laughs.

Two hydrogen atoms are walking toward the street together.

Then suddenly one shouts, damn it, I've lost my electron.

The other atom asks, are you sure?

And he goes, yes, I'm a positive.

Nick is the smartest guy.

That's what I'm saying.

Maybe I've maybe heard that joke before, I feel like.

I feel like I maybe heard that in physics class in high school or something like this.

Okay, so he went for me.

Sorry, you went to, sorry, physics class?

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, sounds like so.

It's a bit of an interesting thing.

I went above physics.

Actually, I went to a harder, it's called like super physics at the Ohio State University.

It's called quantum physics.

No.

Oh, yeah.

It's above that, too.

Oh.

So super physics.

Heisenberg was speeding down the highway.

A cop pulls him over and says, do you have any idea how fast you were going back there?

Heisenberg says, no, but I knew where I was.

Oh, oh, okay.

I thought he was going to say, I'm uncertain.

Like the uncertainty responsible, but the joke was actually smarter than that.

It was about the uncertainty principle in practice.

This one's for me, everybody, because this was my job.

Some people think this show is this, but it's not.

Two sociologists are sitting by the pool.

One turns to the other and asks, Have you read marks?

To which he replies, Yeah, it's these damn wicker chairs.

As a sociologist, so I get that, but I get that.

Wait, explain that one to me.

Yeah, explain it to me.

Have you read marks?

Red.

Do you have red marks?

Oh, it's a pun.

Have you having red marks?

Have you read marks?

Because I wouldn't ask like that because I'm not smart.

But I would say, yo, yo, you got red marks.

You got red marks on you, order.

And I've read Marks.

I've read a lot of it.

I know.

That's the thing I know.

People are always like, you're kind of doing a sociology thing with guys.

And then I'll get a message from somebody.

It's like, you didn't even look at all sides of the story with this.

And I'm like, well, first of all, I'm not doing sociology.

I'm goofing on weird guys.

That's the whole show.

So

please don't talk about Marx on the podcast.

It's not a political podcast.

I love Karl Marks.

He's a smart guy.

Enough.

A photon checks into a hotel.

The bellhop asks, can I help you with your luggage?

It replies, I don't have any.

I'm traveling light.

Oh, please stop.

Guys,

Chris, go do these jokes.

Yeah.

Like,

like stand-up.

Yeah, yeah.

Go to an open mic and deliver these jokes.

That's actually a really funny bit.

Like, you know, to go and deliver these jokes that are like only for super smart people.

And they're just like, oh, I guess you guys didn't get it.

Yeah.

This is like the set like Dan Ninan would do if he was like booked for like a corporate gig at like Raytheon or something like that.

Like a bunch of engineers telling like the softest fucking science jokes and just crushing, getting paid $100,000.

I wonder what he's up to.

I haven't talked to him in a long time.

I used to talk to him a lot, very regularly, and have a lot of fun.

He would send me videos of himself on private jets and stuff like that.

Really?

To you?

Yeah, to me.

That's cool.

Yeah, we talked.

Gavin, who we just had on Big Lebowski guys a little while ago, he had a real close relationship with Dan Ninan, where he would regularly, you know, talk back and forth with him.

Wow.

All right.

Well, I think we did smart guys.

Nick, thank you so much for doing the show.

We love you.

You're the best.

Oh, man.

Hey, I love the show.

I'm on the Patreon.

I listen every week.

To be sincere for a moment, I came on the show with my Doughboys co-host, Mike Mitchell.

I think episode, within the first 10 episodes, it was single.

Now your past episode, we did hot sauce, guys.

That was so fun.

Now you're past episode 100.

It's a great show.

It's the podcast other podcasters want to talk about to me.

And I just, it's, it's awesome what y'all have built.

So, so congratulations and success this show.

I love it so much.

That's so fun.

Thanks for having me on.

I mean, that means a lot, obviously, coming from you because

I am a big fan of yours.

I went and watched your live Doughboys show in Vancouver.

Still, I talk about it all the time.

It's one of the best live podcast shows that I've seen.

I normally think it's not that great.

Like, ours wasn't fantastic.

Just joking.

And also, we have another one on sale now, I believe.

The Toronto show, possibly.

Toronto.

Toronto.

I do.

But yeah, it means a lot because you're one of the, in my opinion, and I think in a lot of people's opinion, are one of the best podcasters.

So thank you.

That means a lot.

Thank you.

All right.

And we will see you next week with

Tool Guys.

Oh, Tool the Band?

Or which

we don't know yet because we haven't booked the other one.

Okay.

Could be Tool the Band.

If it's Tool the Band, we're recording that with our friends.

Wolf Parade.

So that'll be a lot of fun.

All right.

We'll see you all next week.

Go to Patreon, patreon.com/slash guys podcast.

We have stuff.

Goodbye.

Bye.