Guys: Episode 95 - HxC Guys with Brace Belden

Welcome to guys, a podcast about guys.

I'm Brian.

With me is the tourist Chris James.

Hmm.

So I don't know that.

I don't know.

I'm on the scene.

I'm in the scene, like like doing stuff and hanging out with bands like the Cro-Mags

and

Brace is wearing a Cro-Mag shirt.

I am wearing a Cro-Mag shirt.

I want a sit Cro-Mag shirt.

It's so heavily screen printed, it'll make your nipples bleed.

But I have one of those.

I have a fucking typo negative one that's like,

it frankly sucks to wear.

I want to give a shirt.

I was a review to the company.

that made the typo negative shirt because they just basically laid a big flat it feels like there's a rubber like the whole front of the shirt is made out of rubber.

Yeah, but I still wear it all the time.

I know you know gotta rep the let rep the

problematic bands that we love your shirt right now.

Just says an upset on pineapple on it.

Is that no, it's got Godzilla on it.

Okay, yeah.

I wear a lot of Godzilla shirts, but sick.

Yeah, I have the I have the

I have the Cornadida shirts.

I don't have any band shirts anymore, but that typo negative shirt is just the most uncomfortable thing i've ever worn and it's from a website that takes heavy metal bands and puts their logos on like hockey jerseys yeah yeah

but i can't wear a hockey jersey i'm not kevin smith i think you could and i think you are no i did i did used to wear a mighty ducks jersey when i was in high school

because i like the movie People might wonder what hardcore is.

Yeah,

I saw this.

I think some people know, like, obviously hardcore is a lot different.

And obviously, with this podcast, people are immediately going to hardcore sex, hardcore pornography.

No, because I'm going to make it be HXC, guys.

Oh, okay.

Well,

to add to what Chris is saying there, there are a lot of different kinds of hardcore.

And frankly, most of them stink.

Brian, I know that you're more open-minded than me in basically every way, especially sexually, but

the amount of like,

when I was younger, and I was really into hardcore, like really into hardcore, but I was basically only into music that was made between like 1979

to like 1986.

But when I would say to people that, like, oh, what kind of music you like?

I'd be like, hardcore, they thought I meant things that were, in fact, completely the opposite of what I actually said.

Let me tell you what.

Let's say that.

That's tough.

Let me name a few.

Okay.

Bandana Thrash, Christian Hardcore, Crossover Thrash, Crunk core, crustpunk, dbe, deathcore, digital hardcore, easy core, emo, electronic core, grind core, heavy hardcore, jazz core, Krishna core, math core, melodic hardcore, melodic metal core, metal core, nardcore, nintendo core, new metal core, positive hardcore, post-hardcore, power violence, progressive metal core, queer core, rap core, sass, screamo, ska core, thrashcore.

So that's the hardcore genres, if you were wondering.

Well, I feel like there's 80s hardcore as a singular genre itself.

Isn't that isn't that because okay, this is what being in a hardcore thing is.

I've noticed isn't like so.

We say Cro-Mags, yes, are they crossover?

Their first two albums are hardcore, or first album is like just a straight-up 80s hardcore album, but later it's more metal-influenced and crossover, which is, I don't really like.

There are crossover, I'm more amenable to crossover bands, and I like some crossover bands, but I, interestingly enough, because crossover is a crossover between like hardcore punk and like thrash metal, I like bands that come from the more metal edge of that to hardcore as opposed to hardcore to metal, because they're usually better musicians, but I don't like heavy metal that much.

But you do,

you do like,

oh, fuck, I forgot the name of the band, Biohazard, right?

Yeah, I mean, like, I, I don't, well, no, not really, frankly.

Hate breed.

I've seen hate breed.

Oh, really?

Are they good?

I mean, I read that they're good.

You know, I don't think so, but I think other people think so.

I think other, many other people think so.

And I recognize that at this juncture in time, the kind of hardcore I like is very much not what people think of when they think of hardcore.

It's canceled, too.

What is 80s hardcore?

I mean, every band that you like is canceled.

That is true.

That is true.

Are you canceled for like a variety of things?

That's a bunch of different things.

I know, I know, because I got into like typo negative like during the pandemic.

And I then, you know, I was like, I really like this band.

This is pretty good.

And then people are like, uh, you ever heard the things Peter Steele said?

And I'm like, you know what?

He's dead.

He's not going to say any more racist stuff.

Didn't you have a 10-inch penis?

It's a big penis.

It's actually on my wall.

It is a very big penis.

I look at it every day.

Yeah, I have a Peter Steele Steele

blanket with his big penis there.

But yeah, he was in Playgirl, but like he said some pretty nasty stuff.

Like he was a conservative guy.

All those New York guys were like these, they weren't like Reagan guys or anything, but they like beat the crap out of each other and kind of had bad opinions.

Can you tell me a band that is like a hardcore band that I would know?

Minor Threat.

Yeah,

Black Flag.

Oh, Black flag okay black flag i do i know minor threat but like i don't know their music where black flag stare where we said minor threat i mean no i didn't have blank stare i never i i didn't i didn't know what i didn't i had never heard their music before i i got i got however with black flag there's a caveat because they were a hardcore band in fact i would say that they are the the

like the platonic ideal of a hardcore band for quite a while.

However, a massive shift in their music happened after beginning My War slip Slip It In, and then they eventually ended up as a Grateful Dead-style noodle band with no vocals.

And now they're back.

Greg Ginn, the guitarist, is one of the most insane people in history.

Like, he's a freak.

And now they're back

with one of the worst album covers of all time.

Chris, do you have a screen?

Can you type into something, look something up?

I could get a hold of the screen pretty quick here.

Yeah.

I want you to Google Black Flag and then What the?

Oh, that's the name of it.

This is the reunion album.

Black Flag.

What the?

It is the worst album cover of all time.

And this is a band who is famous for having the best art of any of their albums because they were all done by the famous artist Raymond Pettibone, who is Greg Ginn's brother.

However, a falling out occurred between the two brothers.

I can't believe that would happen in this.

I know.

It looks like some kind of like adult swim kind of like

after hour looks like a gusher

yeah it looks like you discussed boy or something yeah it's really it's really a really bad well i'll go i can go into this now because i do have a thread on r slash hardcore about kind of you you said that they had a falling out and i i wanted to i wanted to talk about the band turnstile which is a uh uh yeah

2010 hardcore band.

They've been around for a while.

They released an album, very commercially successful.

Now, that's not against the rules.

I mean, it kind of is.

They hate it when a thing is commercially successful.

But they then sold one of their songs to Taco Bell,

which that's not good.

Yeah, but honestly, I do love when the bands are just like considered like a sellout band just because they were successful, you know?

Like, oh, oh, you sold them.

Oh, so you sold out?

It's like, we just made an album and people uh bought it you know but yeah selling a song to taco bell i think is is kind of selling out actually i mean there is one genre definitionally

there's one genre of music where you're not allowed to do that and it's this one there isn't like any other kind of music where like cord could sell their song to an insurance company it wouldn't probably have no they haven't they haven't done that they did they are doing the thing with adidas which is kind of

i no no you're right you're right like it's hardcore is it's funny because i think that etho stems from like punk or hardcore which in like the the 70s and 80s which like

was unpopular was popular in some ways but like unpopular in many other ways

it was like a it was a counterculture but like frankly like it's not really counterculture anymore like it is a little bit and there's certainly like a lot of antisocial personalities involved in it but it's not like a new like cutting-edge thing anymore.

And so, I

still think selling out is wrong.

Like, I wouldn't sell out.

I do look down upon people that sell out, but like, turnstile is like, first of all, they're like not a hardcore band.

Like, they're kind of like,

can we play some of this music?

I mean, can you just like pull up?

And, like, I would love to hear a little bit of the music so I could.

But the singing is the problem with turnstile, right?

Yeah.

And you know, the drummer is the brother of uh lee fang

i'm not joking i forgot about that i did hear that that is so fucking funny it's true um but yeah i i would say that like there's no other genre of music in the world where you you cannot do

there there's no other genre of music in the world where it's wrong to sell your stuff i mean punk i guess but punk is kind of is that like i mean this is the funny thing about punk the funny thing about punk is like the like the most famous punk band, which was the Sex Pistols, was like

selling out from the beginning.

Like their whole thing was like, we're going to not sell it out, but like playing giant places, going on TV, like things that would now kind of be seen as selling out.

Well, and I would also say this about

like

the early bands, the Minor Threat or you know, the 70s.

Nobody was going to offer them any money.

Well, I will say, I will say, I love Minor Threat.

I do not like Fugazi.

I do not like me neither.

I think they're bad, but, but, but, but fucking Ian McKay and I think the other guys in Fugazi, whose names I can't fucking remember, they have never sold out.

Like, they don't make, I don't even know if they make merch.

All their shows are like five bucks, uh, and they won't do reunion shows because they can't, like,

I can't remember why, but there was some.

There's a live nation, probably

hard to book venues big enough for them to do a Fugazi.

Yes, yes.

And so I, uh, I respect that.

I respect that a lot.

I mean, I'm just saying, like,

some of that ethos in the 70s and 80s was because nobody was offering them money.

You'd be curious to know if Taco Bell came waltzing into the scene and offered SSD control some money.

Yeah.

They might sell it.

You know what I mean?

Well, Henry Rollins, Henry Rollins of Black Flag is like the biggest sellout ever.

I mean, he is, have you seen his commercial for LAX?

Yes.

Have you seen his TV show called like America's Book of Secrets on on his channel?

He goes around and like looks at American artifacts.

Like he's like, this is, I'm in the White House basement and here's a gift that like somebody.

Have you seen his, have you seen Henry Rowland's stand-up comedy special live in Israel?

No, but no, you made that up.

I did not make that up.

You made that up, Braised.

I did not make that up.

It's real.

When is it from?

It's like the 90s, I think, early 2000s, maybe, but it is real, my brother.

Listen, okay, we can.

Listen, I don't necessarily agree with it, but what were the punch?

Like, what were the punchlines?

His comedy is bad.

His comedy is bad.

He makes Rogan look like Hinchcliffe.

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, Brian loves Tony Hinchcliffe.

That's Chris that loves Tony Hench.

I hate Hinchcliffe.

I hate Hinchcliffe, but I love the program Kill Tony.

I watch it all the time.

And so I'm a big Kill Tony head.

So Joe Rogan goes on Kill Tony and he bombs so hard.

Oh bad.

It's so wild.

He'll be like a stadium full of people and he's just laying down like line after line that is getting nothing.

He's getting nothing and they love him and they love him and they give him nothing.

That they that they do it.

The owner of it.

Yeah.

And they still just they can't even muster up a chuckle for some of these things now.

It's really because he's such a bulbous individual.

So I think you'd think when he walked out, they'd just start.

If I I saw a guy looked out on the street, I'd start chuckling.

Oh, yeah.

Look at this.

The titty sweat.

The titty sweater.

Exactly.

Look at this B-cup dwarf here.

If you fuck Rogan, I think that counts as an alternative sexuality because

the intersection will say of fetishes that you have to possess in order to get either a...

you know, horny vagina or penis and fuck Rogan are so absurd and so arcane and obscure that, frankly, you might have a Brian style, like fetish

stew within you.

Yeah, well, I don't have a fetish stew, but well, you I don't have a fetish.

I appreciate you, by the way, Brace.

I've been getting a lot of notes about you sort of, you know, bringing awareness to Brian and his lifestyle on your podcast, which is quite a big podcast.

I'm just saying the the

and it's yeah, I say

Brian, I saw your tweet about that, and I got to tell you, I've said it like three or four times.

I know.

And it is 100%.

There's people that think it happened on Instagram.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I, I took a look.

I, you know, R slash hardcore.

I went there and I looked up a section that Brace will know from years ago that I'm very fascinated with.

And that is

tips for starting a punk house.

Oh.

I'm thinking of starting a punk house, but right now I only have myself and one other person who's interested.

How do I get the word out?

Get more people who are willing to move in.

Just the two of us couldn't afford the rent alone, and so on.

What should I keep in mind in picking a place?

What else should I know?

Also, what's the coolest house name you've ever heard?

Now, I'm fascinated with punk houses because it seems like hell.

Like, I would rather die than sleep at a punk house.

Brian, let me tell you this: 2004, I'm a runaway.

I'm staying at a punk house called The Hole.

Oh, not a great name, not like enticing name.

Oh, no.

Off of Ocean Avenue.

In one room, I think there were four guys who lived there.

There was like sliding glass door closets.

Two of them.

Two guys slept in those closets.

They lived in those closets.

And I think there was one main guy in the room.

In the other room, someone had just had their own bedroom.

And then I lived on the couch in the living room.

And there was someone else that lived there too.

I don't really remember exactly.

Was the own bedroom guy?

Was he like made like the alpha?

Uh, I would say quite the opposite.

I mean, it was definitely his house, but there was another guy that lived there.

It was an Asian dude that lived there.

His name I can't remember.

Um,

but the guy who lived in the, I don't remember, he was not an alpha, but I, I don't remember his name.

He's just like money guy, right?

He's not the guy with the money gets the bedroom.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if any of these guys had money.

I think this is

like a $500 a month place, and everyone's paying like $100.

But I lost my virginity in that bedroom

and to a shaved-headed, I think she had a shaved head.

Yeah, she did have a shaved head.

Uh,

and all of my fucking friends were pounding on the door on the outside, yelling, price losing virginity, price is losing virginity.

And like, and it was so, and I just remember being like, I'm a, I have no home.

I'm homeless.

I'm in losing my virginity, but not coming, like faking it because I was so nervous.

And I live at the hole.

I I have no money.

I subsist on barf bags from 7-Eleven.

And I was just like, it was like a moment of clarity where like an older self like reached back in time and was like, Bryce, this actually, this sucks.

This sucks.

Me and you have so much in common because I've talked about this before.

When I lost my virginity, the girl's boyfriend was banging on the door and my brother was like,

wait,

my brother and a couple of my friends were like, get the fuck back.

And like kind of guarding the door because he was out there crying and banging on the door.

The fuck, dude, that's like some really twisted ass

you were like still having sex when

you heard you heard

it to the guy.

The fat teardrops, not yet.

The fat teardrops like pounding on the floor, like heavy footsteps of like

booted feet.

This is crazy, right?

What is his name?

I would like to humanize.

You are the

progenitor of a traumatic incident in this guy.

Oh, that's not my fault.

100%.

And I didn't know anything.

His name was Kevin.

And I used to hang out with him sometimes.

Yeah,

I saw him a few times.

Even after you betrayed him, or this was after him?

I didn't betray him.

Okay, let me explain this.

I was asking you to.

Please explain the situation.

This happened at school?

No, no, no, no, no.

This didn't happen at school.

This happened at a guy named Dennis's house whose dad worked overnight and said we could come over there and we could smoke weed in the house, but no cigarettes.

Dirty Dennis.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, you can call him Dirty Dentist.

That's right.

And

this house was a place where we all went on Friday night.

Everybody would just go there, kind of party.

We kind of respected it, keep it clean, but we would smoke a bunch of weed in there.

One day, when I was in, like,

I would have been in 10th grade and lunch,

she sent her friend over and was like, Angie wants to have sex with you.

And I was like, okay.

And that, then we went to the house and we went in the room and we were going to have set.

We were in there doing the thing.

What were you doing?

Kissing and stuff?

Probably.

Well, I mean, there was one thing I was doing.

Heavy petty, my brother.

Oh,

no, no, no, no.

I think we know what Brian was doing.

For a minute.

For like two or three minutes.

Oh, Brian, you're a breastfeeder, huh?

Why not?

I don't.

Have we talked about this before?

I don't love to do that.

Yeah, you did.

Actually, it's coming up on the, it's actually out already on the patreon but yeah yeah i'm not either it's just what i did because you know what i think

that's what i'm thinking

and i'm like it makes me feel like a it's not like emasculated like less of a man but it's like less of a man in that i'm now a baby and like i can't i can't rock with that because i'm already wearing the diaper Yeah.

Well, my brother was like, I didn't hear a lot.

I heard some pounding on the door, but that was it.

But I just kind of thought it was somebody coming in.

And then my brother and a couple of my friends, Sean sean and nate pornoshan porno sean yes and nate were like this guy's trying to get in a fucking room he's pissed off at you he's kind of crying out here

no after i got done i was like well nothing i can fucking do about it and left we just left the house that was the whole thing it wasn't like a big deal were you were you name were you name of queber at that time yeah yeah well that would have been so you were going by queber did you by chance have the braided hair in front of your eyes at that point maybe i did yeah that would be a time where i would have had the braided hair.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you know what?

Can you pull the photo up just to show braided hair?

Brian, when you were like exerting yourself heavily during your lovemaking, were you like

sort of blowing the hair out of your eyes?

The front braid was bouncing on your forehead like a pendulum.

Brian, you got to tell people what to Google so they can look this up while they're listening.

Have you ever had cornrows?

No, I wanted them.

I couldn't get them because my hair was never my hair was never like thick.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

The idea of...

I just love the idea of like Queber, like this Angie girl being like...

She thought, hey, she was into me.

I used to get Queber, you know, with the braids.

I got you.

Chris, imagine the rumors at school.

Angie fucked Queber.

Hey, I heard hardcore.

I heard Angie fucked Queber last night.

I was a new metal guy.

I can only get you this.

Hey, the Quebra.

The Quebe lost his virginity.

That's you?

No, that's the hairdo I had.

I know it's really small, but that's the hairdo I had.

Anyway, you can look up the man guys episode and it's there.

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it wasn't, I wasn't intentionally like bullying a guy.

I actually had no idea they were dating.

So

for putting a punk house together, the guy, the man guy, Chris, I want you to get the idea for this because it seems like, I've always said it seems like the worst possible way to live your life.

Yeah.

He goes,

this guy goes, put a padlock on your door.

You'll only be able to afford a keg once.

It's natty ice and reservation cigarettes from here on out, bub.

Know your rights with the police.

Everything that isn't nailed down will eventually be stolen.

Never leave a pack of cigarettes out unless you don't want them anymore.

Fleas will rapidly transfer from dog to human and vice versa.

Your landlord will eventually get tired of your your shit and

your landlord,

you'll have to do an evict mis

party in which you render what was once your home an unsafe structure.

He goes, eat food, not just booze.

So there's a lot of like, get a hair trap for the shower drain, get a 55 gallon trash can

for beer cans.

And

the next rules are, if you make a mess, clean it up.

Which brace, do they follow that rule?

They do not follow that rule.

Also, I don't know if you noticed that I disconnected for a sec by accident, so I hope that doesn't fuck the recording up.

But

let's keep it pushing.

Yeah,

it's all good.

But also,

just sorry, the first thing that they said was get a padlock for your door.

Like, if that's the first rule of a thing, then I'm going to look elsewhere.

Well, I'm going to look elsewhere, though, personally.

One of the guys said, get a thick door.

Get a padlock.

Get a thick door.

That's what the guy said.

They wanted to bring your own door.

None of these fucking idiots are putting in a new door.

You can't bring a door.

You don't bring it.

I would say

I've been in a lot of punk houses all across this great nation.

And I would say there's actually usually less doors than in the average house because people have broken them.

A punk house is just where the most juvenile fucking morons you know live in filth and squalor and like pretend for some reason that that is what they have to do in order to listen to like a certain kind of rock and roll music.

It is crazy to me.

I've never, except when I was 14,

and I stayed at one when I was a runaway.

uh i've never lived in a punk house yeah because even from an early age i was like this seem a punk house is just a regular house but grosser and like

nastier and smells and like i've always lived with with you know big fans of of like rock and roll music or i did when i was younger uh but guess what we just lived in normal apartments it's good it's smart because i walked there was one in yeah yeah there was one here called um there was one here called legion of doom

and uh i used to I used to walk by it on one of my regular walks.

I know about that place.

You could smell it from the street.

Like from the sidewalk, you could smell the house.

It smelled like dogs and B.O.

So, there's a thing that happens at these shows called crowd killing.

I don't know if this happens at things you go to, right?

No, right?

No, that's not.

This is like a more like heavy kind of thing.

Is this

to do with moshing?

Is this no?

No, no, it's it's a reference, it's a reference to the Baticlon massacre in Paris by ISIS.

No, it is when at a hardcore or metacore show, someone hardcore dances along the border of the mosh pit with the intent of hitting the people that are not moshing.

Crowdkillers apparently believe that it's not hardcore to not participate in dancing when at hardcore shows.

Ironically, crowdkiller toughness is questionable.

It would be socially unacceptable for a member of the crowd who hasn't been hardcore dancing to begin throwing kicks, punches, et cetera, in defense when approached by crowd killers, as they frequently hit unsuspecting crowd members.

So I looked at a thread about crowds.

I think that's something that you have a keen interest in, Brian.

This is basically stranger attacks.

No, it's dancing.

It's the knockout.

It's not a stranger, it's dancing.

But

I hate them too.

I hate that too.

If I'm not.

We're going to read a thread about this where my feelings are very, I'm pretty conservative about it.

I think you should have to stay.

I think you should have to just stay in the pit.

You don't hit people that aren't in the pit.

That's my rules.

That's the rules at a corn concert.

Okay.

Listen, I know you're pretty conservative, but at the end of the day,

I think that you show up at a hardcore show, you better be ready to get punched in the face, kicked in the gut.

You know,

if somebody tried to punch me, like, if I was standing there watching like some horrible, like, like

kind of band and then some like freak who's like it's not hardcore if you're not mosh who's like because they do is that where the floor punching happens brian yeah well see that was crazy and so if someone was floor punching in front of me guess what i would do i would call the police and say that i saw a gun in their belt and then i heard them muttering about boticlon and i'm like you got to take this fucking cocksucker out fuck him that shit is

i am i would listen i would i would leave yeah i would absolutely leave and i would call security and say that the guy touched my penis.

Well, they don't care about that a lot in the hardcore.

Well, that's true.

That is true.

Those videos where guys are like moshing, but they're just punching.

Punching here?

You can't just be like, I'm at a concert, so now I'm going to start assaulting the stream.

Well,

you guys are about to get the other side of this story here.

Okay.

He goes, I love fucking around as much as the next guy, but what's the actual thing to do when some guy just won't stop kicking the shit out of you?

Just wail on him back.

If he's got buddies who kick the shit out of people that shove back, what's the move there?

Been to a few shows with this crew that just love swinging their boots into my face, and I'm getting a wee bit sick of it.

So, this guy has gone to several shows and gotten his ass fucking beat every time.

Listen, and he's in the right here, and he's done nothing wrong.

But you, when he comes and posts, but he sounds like such a little wimp, you know.

I know.

What do you guys suggest here?

I keep going, these fellas keep sort of beating my ass every time.

This person goes, this is why I don't mosh.

Call me old.

Call me a pussy.

Whatever.

Same reason you don't crush guys in beer league.

I got work in the morning and dental care is fucking expensive.

Oh, yeah, that is a true thing in beer league software.

We did beer league softball.

That's a thing.

Oh, like basically.

Yeah, like beer league softball.

It's like you're, yeah, you, you don't like go slide in super hard at second base, like try to take them up and break up a double play to win a game because, yeah, the guy, it's just for fun and the guy's got to fucking wake up and go to work or whatever.

You know, well, here's the here's our centrist opinion: bro, it's okay.

Part of the ecosystem of hardcore shows is all the people too afraid to get in the pit, and all the people in the pit who think they're pussies.

Nobody's wrong in either role they play.

Yeah, no one's

it's it's a both side situation.

There's the guy punching the stranger, and then there's a stranger who's fucking being punched.

Don't forget that they're also being punched in this situation.

I will say this:

this is a different type of hardcore, obviously, shows that I've been to.

So like people don't do this.

Yeah.

Because that would just be a crazy thing to do.

But

hardcore like this seems fucking miserable.

I know.

You just have, it's like a bunch of people like stimming, but like aggressively, or they're like punching the...

It's literally, it looks like, when you know how sometimes like it'll be, you'll see some fucked up viral video that like a right-wing Twitter account will post be like, kid, like this fucking autistic kid goes crazy and wails at his teacher or whatever.

They all look like that, like a 16-year-old autistic kid going crazy and wailing at his teacher, but there's no teacher.

There's no way.

They're just punching the air.

Ah!

Like if I saw a guy, if I saw a guy punching the air, like if I saw a guy hardcore dancing on the street, I'd be like, oh, he's tweaking.

He's a tweaker.

Across the street and they go down another street.

And if I'm standing near him and he punches me, like, guess what?

Drawing and firing.

Because that is not like, are you out of your fucking mind?

What if I just want to watch like whatever these bands are called, like go-gotha?

Like, I don't, you know, like, I, I don't, this, this shit sucks.

This seems miserable.

And all these people think that they're in some weird, like, culture.

Well, the weird part about that, I got to get to the other part of this guy's comment because he does say both sides are okay.

Then he goes, That's how you get cool storylines, like someone being too scared until they finally come up with the courage to go in there.

Along with the moshers, you have to face the reality that they must retire from pitting.

So there's some good stories.

Well, think about it.

He's thinking about like a major motion picture type situation.

Yeah, but he also comes to adversely.

Yeah, I like, oh, now you're finally in the fucking Slayer pit.

Like, and what are you learning in there?

That you're just also stupid?

That's the conclusion of your story.

Hunting in the air videos.

I just saw one recently.

They really do look like so stupid.

It looks so stupid.

It looks stupid.

I posted one on Twitter yesterday of a guy walking on his hands and just getting kicked.

Like, it is.

See, I'm just like, why are you walking on your hands?

We used to like do circle pits, I guess, at shows.

Hey, Brian, why is he being kicked?

You're blaming the wrong person there.

Sorry, praise.

No, no, no, no.

But I'm like, and like those were kind of, I mean, they're very sort of silly looking, but like,

you know, people kind of pushing each other and punching each other.

But like.

And I would never do that now.

But it's just like, it's, it's, this seems just like you're going there to get beat up and they're all guys in like these fitted caps.

And like, they all look like if you gave Brian like a huge amount of testosterone replacement therapy and human growth hormone, and then just were like, and you're going to listen to like the word, like the longest six-minute breakdown of like chat GPT-ass generated, like, sad poetry lyrics

of like some fucking guys called like Avenge the Day.

I've talked about this, Grace, but I met a hardcore guy in like 1996

because there were none where I grew up.

It was all rap, metal, or country.

That was like it.

That's all anybody like that.

And I only like the second two of those.

Yeah.

So I meet this guy at this Pantera concert we're at.

We go see Pantera.

And that's a different kind of crowd than like corn or deftones or something.

Although Deftones weren't that show, but it's a different kind of crowd than like a Pantera crowd does trend more hardcore, but they're still too metal to be like considered a hardcore band.

And in between the bands all night, we stood there and asked him questions like he was a fucking alien.

We were like, so you don't eat any meat and you don't do any drugs.

Oh, yeah.

He was like one of those guys.

And you don't, yeah, we got a few of those coming up.

Don't worry.

Because we got to talk about straight edge.

I got a thing or two to say about Straight Edge.

I hope so.

This guy goes, I've found most of those who crowdkill will fold when confronted, unless they got a crew to back them up.

Seems to be an activity that attracts the cowardly.

Oh, shit.

So this guy is like, he's not in the mosh bit, but he's fucking tough enough to be in there.

He's basically saying, you know, this guy, too, he goes,

this guy just says, punch and kick back.

I usually stay on the edge and love the crowd kill interaction.

Some folks take it too far and they usually get the hint when getting punched back.

So this guy is like, let's just punch each other.

I wear glasses.

I wear glasses.

Like if you punch me

in the face, without me expecting it, my night is over.

Like you can't see anything.

Yeah.

Hey, praise, just fucking punch back, dude.

Like,

I carry a piece with me.

Like, if you punch me on a show, I'm going to draw a gun on you.

I'm a knife.

Like, literally anything.

Don't punch me.

I'm like, I'm a normal guy.

You punch me.

Guess what?

I'm going to kill myself in front of you.

Put that gun right to my fucking, my fucking temple and say, I just love, you know,

saving Sunday or whatever fucking band

such a hardcore fucking movie yeah I wait I wait for the breakdown wait for him to say wait wait for him to say this is for the youth or whatever and then I'm popping my pimple for the last time here's a go over you all over your all over your fucking like eight color screen printed t-shirt bitch

Here's another interaction I like.

Put your hands up and watch out.

Nothing you can really do.

If you go to shows, you're inevitably going to get knocked out or rocked.

It sucks, but part of the fun for me is trying to avoid getting hit.

Oh,

oh, is that so?

Yeah, when getting a concussion is often bad, but it's really fun not to get one.

Sorry, repeat that because I sort of became so incensed that I like yelled out.

Put your hands up and watch out.

Nothing you really can do.

If you go to shows, you're inevitably going to get knocked out or rocked.

It sucks.

But part of the fun for me is now trying to avoid getting hit.

This is like a.

Yeah, that's kind of a cool way to show it.

It's like a video game kind of, though.

Do you know what I mean?

Where you have to avoid damage?

So that's kind of cool.

Yeah.

Well, then a guy replies and goes, I've been going to shows for 18 years and haven't gotten knocked out yet.

I guess my time is coming.

And that guy replies and goes, lucky man, I took a nasty kick to the face during Shattered Realm last year that had me out cold.

All will suffer bell dinged, and I woke up in my buddy's arms a minute later.

All these bands are called like Game of Thrones.

Yes, they are getting like Shattered Realm.

Shattered Realm, Shattered realm is the worst band.

One of the worst band names I've ever heard.

I have to say.

He goes, it was a fest and it was the very end of the night after I've been moshing all day.

So that probably contributed.

Still, the only time of my life I've been knocked out.

So

that's good.

This guy goes, I was at a show in a real small VFW and some fuck nut kept bringing it back to me.

I would just shove him back into the pit.

That pissed him off.

kept coming back harder so i matched the energy and the singer from the headliner broke it up not on stage he was in a crowd like the the rest of us.

I think the dude's car ended up getting hit because he parked like a fuckwit that night, too.

Anyways, if you have to be near the edge of the pit, you should definitely be keeping at least 50% of your attention on that and your arms ready to block.

I agree with that.

I agree that you should be.

But I'm

sorry.

Like, we used to beat the shit out of people at shows, and frankly, we used to get the shit beat out of us at shows.

But, like, those were not like in the pit.

Like, those were like because of whatever stupid confrontations that you get in as like a kid.

This does seem like a lifestyle that I think that the government should crack down on.

Like I think that like, I think your ban.

I mean, it kind of does.

If your ban is called like

against the against the cloudy sky or whatever, like I think that agents of the new, maybe a new government law enforcement agency should come and

both crowd you with a lot of agents and then kill you with their service rifles.

It's funny you bring that up because so every hardcore show should be Waco

where they lock the doors and then just send in the tanks and oh there's a fire.

It's funny because now I'm going to go to some Ticketmaster reviews because we love to do that on episodes about music.

This is where people review things on Ticketmaster.

What?

Yeah, you didn't know that?

If you buy a ticket on Ticketmaster, you get an email afterwards and then you are able to review the concert.

It's weird.

And the biggest psychos in the world are the ones that are

weird to more people

don't do it and utilize it because you are entitled to that review on Ticketmaster.

Wow.

So, Knocked Loose is a band that's pretty big.

Oh, yeah, they're big.

Yeah, they're huge.

You can't find like there's no Fugazi reviews on there because they don't work with Ticketmaster.

You know, there's one Cro-Mags review.

I do know that.

This guy goes, best hardcore band ever.

Had about 30.

This is crazy to me.

Had about 30 of my co-workers and best friends here to enjoy seeing Knocked Loose and a farewell party for my last week at my employer.

Had an absolute blast.

About 80% of my 30-people party have no idea about metal or hardcore, and they all absolutely loved it.

I am guessing they didn't all absolutely love it.

What are you going to be like?

Actually, dude, that sucked.

I'll say this:

I like, I would, I hate going to like large concerts where I'm not familiar with the band.

Like, I don't like that because I don't want to, I don't like discovering new things.

I'm 35 years old.

encounter i've encountered a new thing probably every 10 minutes when i was a baby everything was new and i've reached my limit and i know i'm not going to discover a hidden gem and sometimes i do but i don't want to i don't want to and more often i discover a turd and you just want to listen to something like you don't want to like back then i would go home at night and put a C D in and listen to it and just kind of stare at the wall.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like listen to records.

But this is, Brian, this is why I liked heroin so much because

you can take a shot and then just put on like television or whatever.

And you're like, ah, I just like.

I actually, I'll tell you,

one of my great memories in my life was popping six Percocets and listening to the Mars Volta de Lauston Comatorium

on vinyl in my house alone.

And it was like, this is the best feeling I've ever had.

It's a good feeling.

It's a good feeling.

Self-titled new read, birth of your child, maybe.

Yeah.

Well, it was better than Brian wasn't there for that.

Brian wasn't there for that.

He was at like a well, I was with

pills.

He was trying to get

pills.

I kept going outside,

he was trying to get pills at a sex party.

And so, like, no, he was

trying to get pills genuinely.

That's the really story.

That's it.

Nobody would drive up to the hospital and bring them to me.

At one point, I went to the nurse and I was like, My back kind of hurts.

Can you guys take a look at that?

You're trying to try.

I was so fucking desperate, Bryce.

Yeah.

This guy goes, fun.

Here's an old man at a knock-to-loose concert.

Fun, but don't hurt yourself.

Go in expecting a rowdy crowd, but there's no need to overdo it.

One of the guitarists keeps saying, push the person next to you.

And barely anyone outside the main circle pit flinched.

No one wants to do that.

And no one should get carried away on a stretcher because of someone else.

This is Brace.

I mean, I will.

I do.

I don't like to be hurt.

Like, I don't

either.

And, like, I think that it's funny because it's almost like cargo cult where they like imitate the, like, whatever, like, late 80s, kind of 90s hardcore, like, very aggressive thing.

But they've just taken to this thing where, like, the violence is completely divorced from like reality or whatever.

And so it's just literally like a guitarist of some band called, like, I don't know, like, Black Phone Jar Jerk being like, I fucking punch the person next to you.

What's wrong with you?

What's wrong?

It might be.

Maybe old lady.

You play play like drum trigger ass chugga chuggin music put the person next to you why should i listen to anything you say but i should be giving you orders unplug the guitar

but i kind of have an issue i think like if i was in the band if i was in the band i would be so in i would love watching people go crazy my brother i was in a band i was in like a

how cool lower lower medium i was in a lower medium popular hardcore band in my youth And we did encourage violence at our shows.

So I am a hypocrite here.

However, I was 17, 16 years old.

And I thought, my thinking at the time was if I just give our live sets a dangerous and bad reputation, people will ignore the fact that we're not.

that good at playing music.

And it worked.

And it worked.

We did all kinds of shit.

At one point, we put up an SS flag and an Israel flag behind us.

Like we were just like

anything to get negative attention and it worked.

We had people snapping our records.

We got our tires slashed.

Oh no, we got tires threatened to be slashed.

We got shows canceled, but every time something happened to us, we acted like we were victims and got more popular.

However, however, however, I was also 16 years old and only understood negative attention.

Once I grew a little bit older, I realized that actually I don't like to be hurt and people were hitting me all the time and that

wore on me and it's interesting because once i once i realized that like um

that wasn't uh

good

i i stopped getting punched yeah i mean i don't mind getting punched really to tell you that's like kind of my thing when was the last time you got punched yeah be honest it sucks

it does suck man i've been punched it's been a while but it's i i guess it would be when i got injured at work I got punched and broke my wrist.

But that way, it's not a big deal.

How did you get punched?

So, I was

told it on other stuff before, but yeah, I just was working at the cable company.

I climbed to the top of the ladder, and there were two guys standing at the bottom of the ladder, like asking me questions the whole time and stuff.

Then I went to the box on the side of the house, one of them punched me, and they pulled a gun on me, and I jumped down a flight of steps.

I remember, yeah.

So, this guy goes,

This is a good one where they talk about contradictions in the punk scene or in the hardcore scene.

And I kind of liked some of the ones.

He goes, what are your favorite contradictions in hardcore?

First guy goes, get kids in the hardcore.

Who fucking cares if you don't understand how they dress?

This shit has always been for the youth, and we got to support the next generation.

Five minutes later, fucking pussy ass TikTok kids with their clown makeup and hot topic bullshit.

All these bands aren't even facts.

No, man, I went into hot topic actually.

I'm not even joking because I was buying a belt for my live show.

Brian, you saw the belt probably.

It was a big shiny belt, but God, man, that shit, you know, as a guy who's like a real, you know, like legit old school kind of guy, I see that hot topic bullshit.

I was sick in there, you know?

We did, I will say, we were very vigilant against posers when I was younger.

Yeah, I like that.

That's what a tourist, that's what they call tourists now.

Oh, really?

That's why I call Chris a tourist.

You're a tourist if you're a guy that like isn't

like if you show up in the wrong shirt or like if you're just a if you're complaining about crowd killing.

That was a lot of what I saw about crowd killing was like only tourists complain about crowd killing.

I would definitely complain about crowd killing if I was.

Actually, I just wouldn't be there.

There would be no circumstances in which I was there.

This guy goes, people who are vehemently anti-cop slash military, but defending their favorite bootlicker old head makes me giggle.

That's true.

I hate when people defend their favorite bootlicker old head.

It does make me giggle.

I mean, the band

who's my favorite bootlicker, who's a bootlicker old head?

It's probably the look.

I can guarantee it's probably one of the New York Hardcore guys.

Well, yeah, okay.

I got to intervene on this real quick.

People who play loud, aggressive music often do not have

thoughts that are coherent.

And I feel like on occasion, people mistake somebody who can play a riff for somebody who can think in a coherent way and express their thoughts in a manner which is understandable and amenable to a person who might not be able to play killer riffs, but enjoys them.

So looking to like any, like, especially older band for any like political advice, I say this from a a lot of experience.

These people are fucking idiots.

And I'm friends with a lot of morons.

I'm a moron myself.

Don't look to like, don't look to like the singer of, I don't know, or like, you know, Ron Reyes from fucking Black Flag for your political opinions.

Like, read a book.

I say that a lot too.

Like, that is a thing that happened with, I think, in the past like 10 or 15 years, because there's like a lot of,

there's a lot of people who, who, you know, are very, like, they know all the bands politics and they think that it's like they think that it's they don't the bands don't are just saying stuff yeah

we just wrote lyrics that sounded cool like we didn't really like there wasn't like a message necessary but there has been some big drama which i can't talk about uh lately involving stuff like that and but it

People do that with wrestlers too, though.

Yeah.

They'll be like, oh, there are like liberal wrestlers and conservative wrestlers.

There are, but like, not, I mean, but the conservative wrestlers, they're just like, you know, this guy's a Trump guy.

And it's like, he gets dropped on his head for a living.

Like, I don't know what you want him to be.

Like, like, Chris Jericho

donated to Trump.

And people get very mad about that.

And I was like, he's a moron.

He's Chris Jericho.

He's a wrestler.

You know what I said?

He's Chris Jericho.

I know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm like, what do you expect?

Like, him to be like, I stand with our like LGBTQ or whatever.

It's crazy.

You know, You expect the Undertaker to be like,

you can't dismantle the Master's House of the Master's Tools.

It was really, it was, I was really disappointed to find out that a guy who had donated to a lot of conservative candidates was Chris Benoit.

You know?

Well,

God, it's so disappointing to find out.

Well, I know it hurt, Brian, that Hulk.

uh you know endorsed trump and oh yeah in fact i saw hulk when i went to madison square garden and

i know that i i know that you're it was the longest experience of my life.

It fucking sucked.

But I know that you really like Hulk, not necessarily because it was wrestling, but because of certain lifestyle decisions that he made.

Well, though, he does.

He's not, first of all, he's not in the lifestyle.

Second of all,

I've seen something different.

I certainly, he's a different person.

He's a third of all.

Neither am I.

He's a 20.

I wouldn't know, but he just fucked a guy's wife.

He's a bull.

They call him a bull.

How do you know that?

Maybe he was a single guy, but I think that he was during his during his divorce.

He's a bull.

Yeah, he's a bull, definitely, in that situation, because, yeah, Bubba's wife at that point was a registered

hot wife.

She was a registered hot wife.

Yeah.

I went to R Straight Edge, and it says, what are the things you personally abstain from that may or may not be generally edge, but that are for you?

I know the big three are illicit drugs, cigarettes, and booze, or I've heard as much, and that's how I apply it.

But I'm just curious as to what other add-ons are important to other people.

Brian,

if I may interject here, straight-edge people,

I think straight edge is one of the craziest things ever, but straight-edge people in the song where it was defined by minor threat,

he goes, I don't drink, I don't smoke, and I don't fuck.

Yep.

And I love that song, by the way.

I don't.

Oh, really?

It's crazy to be singing that.

And by the way,

I've heard he has a brewski every now and then.

I think he was rather rather regretful of what he created.

I've heard so many interviews with him where he's like, I made a song when I was 17.

Exactly.

You know what I mean?

And it's to me,

first of all, every straight-edge person ignores the I don't fuck part.

But unfortunately, we're about to see some argument about

it.

And it gets bad sometimes.

But

the,

it's just like, it's crazy to live your life by like rules decided upon by like 17-year-old ass Ian McKay in a Minor Threat song from 1982.

It's like, and like, and then like 40, 50 years later, you're like, no, thank you.

I don't smoke puff bars.

Are you familiar with the 17-year-old Ian McKay?

Yeah, no, I will not be having it.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Have you heard Minor Threat?

I will not be getting this blowjob from you, Miss Stormy Daniels, is what Donald Trump would have said if he had been raised in the hardcore lifestyle.

Now, hardcore Trump is, that's almost a Saturday night live.

We love that.

Well, he did fucking hotline bling on there.

I mean,

that could be honestly like an opening sketch that they, you know, and he does the hot live from New York.

Yeah, well here, yeah.

He goes, this guy, this is so sad to me, by the way.

He goes, for me, no self-harm is something I follow as an edge thing.

Maybe it just gives me a reason not to.

I don't know, but it's important to me.

I've heard sex is one for some people.

I know some people don't take any medication, OTC or prescription.

That can affect you in a similar fashion.

Drugs and booze, and others swear off caffeine, too.

That's insane.

Well, the caffeine thing, I believe a lot of that comes from Hardline, which started in Salt Lake City, where they don't drink coffee.

And like,

I was, when I was young, people were always like, yeah, in Salt Lake City, like straight-edge guys will beat you up if they see you smoking a cigarette.

And like, I do remember that.

That is, that is hardcore.

Didn't that happen in Boston too?

I think so.

Yeah.

We, I, I was in a band with a straight edge guy, uh, and we just who I just don't think had ever had a beer in his entire life.

We were also 15, which is another ridiculous part of straight edge because, like, okay, you're straight edge.

Like, it's like an ugly guy being like, yeah, no, fuck, like, because I don't want to.

Yeah,

you're like, you haven't even gotten to the

case.

It's not even really.

I mean, we drank a lot when I was young, but like, you're not legally allowed to do any of this.

And

we, but he wasn't like that into it he was just i think he just didn't want to drink but it was like i'm just gonna be straight edge but we made him we played shows we had we made him draw x's out his hands and wear a hockey jersey because we thought it made him look more straight edge

and we called it and his name on the first record this guy's great he's like uh his name's sean but he's he's like a uh he is like a genius and i think he's getting his PhD or maybe already he already has his PhD in I think slavery in early American history, but he's like a

good.

I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

we don't will doing it, not in doing it, in just in reading and writing about it.

Why did they even give that PhD?

And I don't know how you get a job.

However, we did.

Well, we didn't.

I did.

When I made the insert for our first seven-inch at high school on the photocopier, I did put his name in there as Adolph Edge.

That's interesting.

Two stories about

first insert of a seven-inch.

Yeah.

Yes.

First insert of a seven-inch.

Mine's

probably seven inches.

You're rocking a seven-inch.

You're rocking a seven-inch tries, man.

Because for the

joke to work, I had to give you more length than you probably deserve.

Brother, I got seven inches thick.

I got a flexi.

What does that mean, Brace?

A flexi is a record that's like thin and like can wobble.

Oh, yeah.

A rare kind of record they used to put in like not rare, but they used to put them in like magazines and stuff.

And they're like really brittle and like will fuck up your needle, I think, of your record player.

It always sounded like it was fucking at my needle.

But they're like paper thin records.

So you have a tiny little thin penis and a pencil.

I got a tiny little thing flopping in the wind, man.

It'll fuck up wherever you put it.

They rent me out to Airfield sometimes, sick me up in a fucking, like in a, in a tower, and my shit, I just dangle my shit.

It's like a windsock.

But But that's because that's mostly the foreskin.

Because I have, I have they call me windsock often.

I have this, this person goes, Ian Mackay, minor threat, who created the straight edge movement and literally coined the term straight edge, wrote in the song Out of Step, don't smoke, don't drink, don't fuck.

I always thought sex was one of the three X's.

This guy replies to her.

This is the quintessential.

hardcore experience.

This guy replies to her and goes, holy shit.

I love that you tried to give me a history lesson.

Like I've never heard a minor threat or something.

Please shut your stupid ass up.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Three X's.

L-O-L-O-L.

Well, it's funny because like, I feel like Minor Threat was like the only, there was like a couple bands that started in New York after, like in like 84, 85, like Gorilla Biscuits or whatever.

Wait, I don't even, I think they were straight edge.

I actually don't even think they were.

But like.

Minor Threat was like the only straight edge band for like several years.

And so all the rest of the bands that are straight edge edge don't sound like Minor Threat.

Like sometimes bands will try to sound like them like a retro way, but like the like this next wave of straight edge bands were like kind of more like thrashier crossover or like more, I mean, straight edge hardcore became its own thing.

I like straight edge hardcore like from the mid 80s, late 80s, much more.

I mean, I don't like any new straight edge hardcore, but the whole thing is just ridiculous.

Yeah.

Is Minor Threat like their music is really good?

I like it.

Yeah, they're just, yeah, they're like actually good musicians.

So that's the whole thing, probably, is that they were like straight edge, and then they were really good.

And so a lot of people liked them.

And so they really probably had a lot to do with it.

I kind of did.

No, they 100% did.

Yeah, they did.

Yeah, but like also, I think only Ian Mackay was straight edge.

Yeah.

That's what I had heard.

And they live in what I believe is probably the nastiest punk house, the Discord house?

The Discord house.

Yeah, my boy was just there yesterday.

Is it gross?

What?

I know.

I actually have been there, but I didn't go inside.

It wasn't gross.

I mean, yeah, it looked like a dumb thing.

Where's that?

Where's that?

Where's that?

It's like a fan.

Washington DC.

It's in Washington D.C.

I see.

This guy goes,

or she replies and goes, Does the song not say this?

You know, minor threat, therefore, you know how the song goes.

Calm down.

What's all the anger for?

I'm straight-edged for over 15 years.

While being straight-edged doesn't solely revolve around sex, it is very much a big part of it.

Guy replies and goes, wrong.

So, no, it well, it is kind of wrong because I feel like they don't practice that.

You know, there's a website.

I don't know if it's still around.

It's probably not called howsyouredge.com.

And if somebody broke edge, like if they drank or they got like a, like as a blowjob or something, you put their name on there.

And like, they were like branded with the scarlet letter of having broken edge.

No, it's still here.

It's still here.

It's still there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're telling me you can pull someone's edge card?

Because you can definitely pull someone.

We learned frequently about pulling someone's man card.

There's a website to to pull someone's man card so this is the like can can you share it with us brian adam bender broke edge in 2021 fuck i don't know who that is it's it's a long list of people that broke edge to tell you i don't think they're famous people right wait a minute like brace are they famous or are they just like any person

oh well some of these are like oh no these are about record rip-offs now These are about people who like rip off

people for selling records.

Oh, okay.

Good.

So it's not.

It used to be edge.

There used to be edge break people on here.

That's so good, dude.

This is so funny.

That's so funny.

Wow.

Wait.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

I haven't looked at this website in a long time.

It's crazy.

There was like that ecosystem is so because I was looking at Rate Your Music today, too.

I was reading like some Cro-Mags reviews and I thought that was so like the guys were all like kind of, they all loved them.

So there wasn't really anything funny to say.

One guy did get mad because he said they were thugs.

The person replies to wrong and goes, I've done research, written college essays, et cetera.

Sex is always brought up.

I don't know if you just try to convince yourself otherwise for personal reasons.

My intentions were not to start an argument at all.

I'm sorry if I offended you anyway.

And he goes, I'm super impressed with your college college research, you fucking nerd.

Oh,

shit.

So this is this person's running.

This is a bruiser.

He's a bruiser.

This is a hunt.

Because he goes, she goes, no need to be angry.

I don't know why you're so intent on fighting.

Just saying, if I'm wrong, can you tell me how I'm wrong?

You say I'm not right about this yet.

Give me no evidence as to how.

And he goes, I'm intent on fighting because you're fucking stupid.

Why is it my job to be your goddamn fact checker?

I love that.

That is.

the world's greatest thing to say.

And he goes, if you're smart enough to understand why you're wrong, you wouldn't be wrong in the first place.

Dip shit.

Wow.

That's the kind of guy.

He's in the pit.

What's the thing we learned about?

The guy who's crowdkilling.

He's crowd killing.

He's crowd killing.

I think that a lot of the floor punching started with straight-edge guys because they need something to do with their hands.

However, my hands have a big old, nice brewski in them, a cigarette clutch, but still holding the beer, same hand, other hand around a woman I am not married to.

Because guess what?

I drink, I smoke, I fuck.

that is

they should make songs like that that's like smoking would have I've been out because of smoking cigarettes I would have been totally

ever not even considered it I am technically straight edged but I fucking I vape and so

but I know big deal it doesn't do anything

no oftentimes it made the people I know crazy but guess what you can just not drink like a lot of people in society and you're fine like it's not making a lifestyle out of something you don't do oftentimes like, they had to keep inventing stuff.

So, like, a lot of them became posi, which is like

a mentally ill kind of straight.

Well,

a lot of it is PMA, positive mental attitude, which I think is from bad brains, uh, who were ironically very much not straight up.

Um,

and then

a lot of people are like figuring out their life views from these lyrics from

from like from like morons, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

Um, and

then a lot of them, I will say, did get into Krishna during the 1990s.

Yeah.

Very into Hare Krishna.

And there was a lot of Hare Krishna bands, Shelter, for example.

Propagandi, right?

I don't know, but probably.

I think.

People got really mad at me for saying Propagandi is a ska band and that they suck on our show.

Because I only heard that one song, Ska Sucks.

And everyone's like, they're really good.

They're really good.

They have good lyrics.

And I listened to it.

I'm like, this is not good.

I checked it out.

I was like, this is not, this is not good.

I guess it was like a joke Ska song about how bad Ska is, but I'm like, this is, Desmond Decker is better than this.

Well, doing the,

Bryce, do you, on a political show, a show where you talk about politics and a lot of your audience is like leftist, saying propaganda sucks is going to, I got yelled at for saying skanking pickles suck.

They do suck.

And the thing is, a lot of people, but the problem is, I've insulated myself since I was like 12 years old with people who basically like the same kind of music I do.

And I, much of my life and is still is kind of surrounded by people who guess what have the same interests as me and the same taste as me obviously different in some ways, but

it is an echo chamber and guess what it's echoing with the sound of good rock and roll and a lot of these motherfuckers out there are like hey have you heard like against the saves the day or what it's like get out of here with that shit people could not believe on our show that i've never heard god speed you black emperor guess what i've been a punk rocka since since I was 12 years old.

When would I have encountered that?

When would I have encountered that?

You should check them out, Brace.

In a fucking Kia commercial?

Yeah, they're gonna be.

Get out of here.

Hey, Kia plays Kia.

He's a good car.

I got a Kia.

There's nothing wrong with a Kia.

Well, easy to steal.

I have a.

That's a myth.

We discussed it.

I had a Kia.

I had a Kia.

It got stolen.

Wow.

That started here.

That started here.

That's anecdotal.

That's anecdotal.

I have never had.

Well, guess what?

I have a Kia.

It's never been stolen.

So there you go.

It's a Columbus, Ohio thing because,

like, if you look it up, it started here.

And if you go on next door, where I live,

it's all people worried about the Kia Boys.

Yeah, the Kia Boys.

I have heard of the Kia Boys, but only from Brian.

Here's a very funny, I want to read this breathtakingly stupid post by a guy on R/slash Hardcore before we get out of here.

It's on the contradictions of hardcore.

And he goes, any band that is anti-cop is just as lame as the whole tough guy acting hard thing, which is a lot of hardcore, LOL.

I get the idea behind no cops, but any band that is anti-something or preaches against something that lives in a society that usually benefits from the things they preach against is goofy to me.

I get it.

I know.

This is obviously a debate that's been gone.

What is the real benefit?

Some people definitely do benefit from the police, but not all people.

Not all people.

No.

And, you know, we could do it.

And he goes, I get it.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

He goes, I get it.

It's okay to have a stance on something and still exist.

I mean, what can you do?

The only way these bands could really practice what they preach is if they live in the forest off the grid, not abiding to any laws or whatever, but still, LOL.

It's definitely a fine line of finding entertainment in this stuff.

And he goes, I love the down votes.

So that's cool.

Yeah.

I like

he likes it.

You're not even getting to him at all by downvoting it.

I mean, it's it like

I think that society would benefit if police did go to these little crowd killing shows and just block the doors.

And one by one, everyone comes out.

We're checking for warrants.

And guess what?

You don't have one.

We're writing a new one.

Two years, four years, Super Max.

Super Max.

Brace, Brays.

What about the people who are just on the outskirts?

Are you watching the concert to see if there's any innocent people there?

You might be cycled in and out of that.

You might have gone crowd killed yourself or crowd killed others, and now you're taking five to like rest your muscles.

What about somebody whose espouse has brought them or whatever?

I'm sorry, but yeah, if you can't date a hardcore guy, unfortunately.

Chris, if you're married to a woman and that woman shoots 500 people and you're standing next to her, I'm sorry, you're going to Super Max too.

And I just think that...

No, I wouldn't.

No, I wouldn't.

Well,

you would not get off because I would cut your penis off.

So you would never, you would not, because that's a, I would, I would shoot it off because people are always like, how come people, how come the cops don't shoot somebody in the leg or whatever?

I'm shooting you in the penis.

I'm tested.

You've seen it?

I'm shooting you right.

You've seen it?

On RoboCop.

Oh, oh, yeah.

Shoot me in the penis.

That's not even how I get off.

Shoot his prostate.

You got to shoot that guy's prostate.

What is a prostate?

It's in your butt.

I know, but why?

Watch us get yelled at for that.

It's not actually in your butt.

It's actually, it's actually.

Well, the doctor checked my prostate recently.

Yeah, hey, hang on.

I love it enough.

The doctor was just at, it was just a guy at the bus stop.

No, no, no.

It was my lady doctor, and I liked it.

It made me very happy.

And I'm going to tell you why.

Okay.

Before you get all crazy and shit about, oh, Brian's getting off because his doctor's ramming her finger up his ass.

It was.

I feel like that's.

Because because people are going to take it out of context.

People are going to take it out.

What I liked was.

You think they're going to take out of context the fact that

your female doctor put her finger into your asshole and you became like, I guess, like aroused?

No, I didn't become aroused or anything.

And actually, she said I was pretty strong back there because I was like kind of, you know.

Flexing because she put her finger in my ass.

You know what I mean?

Okay, so now it's an act where it's not, she's not just participating in it now because you're sort of flexing your anus on her fingers, sort of trying to.

Not that she can't get in there.

I'm like rejecting it.

You know what I mean?

Like, this is gonna kill the Brian Quinnby out of context subreddit.

It will, yeah.

But anyway, so the reason close it up and keep her out of there like a cat

game.

Like, this is real.

No, no, no.

She was like, bend over the table and pull your pants down.

And you know what?

And the nurse walking by says, pause.

So she puts the blube on her fingers.

What?

Goodness.

Hey, Godo.

I can't wait till I'm 55 or however old Brian is.

45.

And you could get it done now.

You should be.

They should check your prostate.

I was peeing was just hell for me.

Brian,

if God gives that to you, you need to keep it.

That's what I'm saying.

If God curses you,

if God curses you, you got to keep it.

So I'm sorry.

It's if he wants you to go, it's time to go.

But my old doctor didn't do it ever.

And so when this doctor did it, I was like, well, this doctor means business.

That was what I liked about it.

How long did she spend in there?

Yeah,

just really, she just kind of fell around for a second and pulled it out, you know, and said, pull your pants off.

Yeah, she recognized it, you know,

he was finished.

So

a term I heard yesterday, I don't, I feel strange saying this, but a term I heard yesterday from another podcaster is something called painting.

Hmm, I haven't heard that one before, and I'm quite a disgusting guy, so I'm interested.

Well, well, well, it is when you, when two guys have, I guess that could happen with a woman too, but when two, when, when anal sex occurs and the rod is released from the sincter, it often painted with dark earthy hues, if you know what I mean.

And I was wondering if your doctor released her long spindly finger from your from your garbage disposal asshole no I'm cleaning

with a nugget or two you did not because because I would say that I have a bidet douche right you didn't douche

but Brian I think like I think guys who are in who are like having

a lifestyle are like

the lifestyle oh the alternative lifestyle of gay sex is what you're talking about I'm not doing that I'm saying I think it's normal I'm saying that if your doctor is too afraid to put her finger up your ass then it's not a good doctor that's what i was worried about all those years i was like hey man you know and and and all this stuff and when i was 19 they checked my prostate a doctor did um so i knew it was a thing that happened hmm and you're supposed to do it at that age

but i'm not a doctor was it like the emergency the high school doctor no i was in the emergency room because i felt like i couldn't pee

um but anyway anyway, he did it, and then for all

just to be clear, though, you were saying before we sort of glossed over it, but you're saying peeing was a nightmare.

You're peeing so much.

That's that's what made

and it just always feels like I had to pee, right?

So I convinced myself I had prostate cancer.

Okay, which it's not, that's I'm gonna tell you this: that's not even a symptom of prostate cancer, but I just figured, and it was just like that guy checked it out.

And I, when I was done, I was like, all right, well, I don't have prostate cancer, that's great.

But then for the several years after, I'd be like, I'm having having trouble pissing to the doctor.

And she wouldn't do anything.

You're having trouble pissing.

It was just dribbling out or what?

Somewhat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I was like, I'm having a little bit of trouble pissing in my like 30s.

Doctor never said a fucking word.

Were you making noise?

Would you make noises?

No.

Sometimes you were like laboring kind of as it's dribbling out.

No, no.

And so then the new doctor I have.

was like, well, we're going to have to check the prostate.

And I was like, she means business.

And she also made me get a colonoscopy.

So this doctor, I believe, has my best interests at heart.

And that's why I thought it was a good thing that she checked my prostate.

That's it.

You know, because I'm trying to get, I'm trying to do wellness now.

Can I check your prostate?

Yeah.

I mean, if you want.

The guy that loved the cops, too, does reply to himself and go.

I don't really follow politics or ex-hot topic enough to care or let that persuade me in any way.

Facts.

I can get behind and support the subject matter and positions band take, but I have my own beliefs.

I don't need to latch onto someone else's ideas.

So for me, I know people will always say hardcore is inherently political, but for me, music is an outlet.

So I don't really pay much attention to all that shit unless a band really does something wild and offensive.

So I will say, I think a lot of people's instinct that comes from extreme music are like, band, it is inherently political.

It's blah, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah.

Guess what?

It's not.

It's rock and roll music.

And sometimes people who play that rock and roll music have good political opinions and express them in their songs more often than not they're just writing like victims of a bomb raid or whatever and like they have like a vague sentiment like i just it's one of those things where i was younger

i probably would have thought differently about this but with with being a little older and seeing just like

I knowing a lot more, I guess, it's like people are kind of just writing whatever, you know?

And like, sometimes like there are like right-wing or like Nazi bands even.

And like sometimes there are like sincerely left-wing bands, but like hardcore, I hate it when people are like punk is inherently like, and then they'll describe this like list of liberal values.

Like, no, I'm sorry, punk is about being annoying.

Hardcore is about being annoying, then also beating the shit out of people in various ways.

Cause like, it, that's just what it is.

Like, you're not, if you want to be political, it's go to the workers, but you're in a counterculture.

If you're trying to be like political communist or whatever, although a lot of these people are anarchists, it's like you actually want to not be the counterculture.

You want to be the regular culture.

Like, you're not trying to be rebellious.

You want to rebel until you win and it's normal.

And so, like, a lot of people are into punk.

The whole thing about punk is that, like, it's kind of like nasty and people, but, like, no one even thinks that anymore.

No.

It's, you know, it's, it's, it's, yeah, it was, it was hard to find threads that didn't have somebody like sort of at times bringing up like Blink 182 or The Offspring or something as being like inspired by like this music.

And it's like, there's such a disconnect between what this is and what that was that like i i don't know like like the offspring guy sells hot sauce and i truly can't imagine a hardcore band being like well hey we sell hot sauce i can i can but i will say travis barker i think is like a guy who loves like really bad hardcore music uh isn't he annoying though he's a drummer he's a drummer he's a drummer yeah that i i from listen i not into this music at all uh but I would say, like, from what I'm hearing, it just seems like it's kind of a lifestyle you could get into if you're like, sort of like a dirty person who just wants to live kind of a dirty, like, biker-like lifestyle, you know?

There's that.

There's, so, Chris, there's so many different kinds.

So there's that.

I used to hang out with a lot of Heshers around this band, which is one of the best bands that existed in my lifetime called Annihilation Time, who lived in a sort of notorious, I guess, punk house in Oakland, where I saw the grossest thing I've ever seen in my entire life, which I'll explain in a second.

But like, those guys were like bikers, basically.

And then there was like punk guys, like really like bullet belt, mohawk kind of.

That was like adjacent to us, but not really what we were.

We were all kind of just normal, but dirtier than normal.

Yeah, just dirtiness seems to be a big aspect of all of it, though.

Just dirtyness.

There's like a lack of cleanliness and sort of well, but we weren't like stinky Krusties.

Like I always hated Krusties, even though I'm

because they were a lot of those.

And they got their dog at the show.

And like, get the fuck out of it.

You got your fucking dreadlocks and your fucking, you're like, what are they called?

Chaos pouches, which is their uh, they all have for some reason fanny packs, but like made of leather with a stud on it.

And like that whole thing, I'm like, you're like dressing in a costume, you know?

Yeah, that kind of thing would happen a lot out.

Like, there, there was a decent amount of those crush punks like hovering around the street fight stuff.

But like, when I was like 15, 16, I wore like engineer boots, sort of blue, like Levi's blue jeans, and like a bandana and a like a chain wrapped around my uh like waist which i would use to beat people with i beat up the fuck out of this guy in my high school with it uh and like a like a punk a band t-shirt and like a like a leather jacket so it wasn't like a i didn't like stink i took showers you were like almost rockabilly you were

i was a rock and roller i was a rock and roller i was a rock and roller but i was not i was not rockabilly uh i would say i almost was more, I became kind of like a garage rock guy when I, well, not really, but like that's me.

That's what I hate.

I was like, like when I was like 19, I played in like a more garage-y band.

I was into garage rock and like shoe gaze and stuff like that.

Definitely.

Shoegazi.

Shoegazey.

I do not like shoe gaze that much, to be honest, but that's because there's only like four shoe gaze bands from back in the day.

They're good, but all the rest of the shit that tries to sound like it, it is that it's watching apes at a typewriter, monkeys at a typewriter.

But, anyways, at the at, I'm not going to say which punk house it was, but at a punk house I went to, once

an individual,

there's a mice problem, mouse problem,

and

those mice were killed, which is fine.

But then the mice were hung from mini-nooses at a long gallows that were constructed out of some material.

And

it was an installation called Mouse, Mouse-A-Witch.

Jeez.

And

that was.

Did they take it down after like a day?

It was not even a they situation.

It was one person.

It was like, I think it actually caused like quite a scandal and a stir.

I believe that.

And I think it was not a

there were some problems, even unrelated to the.

obvious ones from

doing the comic book mouse, but from the bad guy's side.

geez uh but uh

but you're right though all this stuff is more about being annoying there's nothing coherent about any of it i mean i say this is a guy who like i frequently go to like like shows and stuff and i'm still pretty i'm not pretty but i'm like minorly involved in the punk scene thank you um but like

It's it's a lot of it is people play acting like when I was a teenager We saw that Penelope Spheres movie Suburbia with Flea in it.

Oh, yeah.

I love that movie.

We were like, we were like, we want to be those guys.

We'll dress like those guys.

We'll act like those guys.

We're going to become those guys.

And so there's about 300 kids, tops, probably like 200 kids in the Bay Area who were basically basing themselves off a Penelope Spheres movie from like 1984 and acted like that, dressed like that, played in bands that sounded like that.

And it was really fucking fun.

But guess what?

We were just a part of a big part of that.

I watched Suburbia again recently.

I'm like, damn, these guys are fucking annoying, dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

These guys are like actually really fucking anti-social pieces of shit.

But like when you're young and like you really invest in this, like you're, you don't, you're not like thinking, you're just thinking of like, I'm going to rebel.

And so I was like, I'm going to rebel.

And so I ended up doing a lot of stuff to like, just like I would wore, for instance, I remember I wore a dress.

We played at our drummer's high school.

I think this is the show this happened at like one of my fans' first shows.

We played at our drummers high school and I wore a dress with a swastika on it.

My, if you had, if you had pointed a high-caliber pistol at me, one of the big fucking desert eagles right at my fucking face, I'm looking through that thing like it's a tunnel.

And I, and you're like, why, what does this mean?

I, I would not be able to give you an answer because the reality was, I knew that both of these things in discreetly would make people be like, what's up with this guy?

And combined, it was like, it's like cigarettes and alcohol.

They combine to make a new chemical in you.

The dress and the swastika combined on my like wiry, gangly 14-year-old body so was so incensed any normal people there that it just made them mad.

And I thought that energy was like, that's, that's what I was seeking.

However, I was fucking stupid and 14.

Yeah.

That was an attitude that I can definitely understand because I felt that not in that same exact way, but that just sort of feeling of like wanting to do stuff like

wearing like ridiculous shit or whatever just to like, just because like, oh, imagine if a fucking normal person saw saw this shit how much it would fucking freak them out you know and i didn't really yeah i haven't have any real coherent thought behind it or anything like that other than i just knew that like they were old and lame and i was young and cool you know yeah exactly and i and i and i was cool in some ways and i had a lot of fun but like the problem is like i my my my lifestyle was just based upon one of like fuck everybody and like in reality actually i love everybody yeah yeah right you're one of the nicest guys but he really is one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

They call me the love brother.

I love it.

He is the love brother.

Yeah, he's, but yeah, we find out a bunch of times.

Brace is the most fun dude.

But Brian hit a dog when we were driving around, and he did not stop.

He just was like driving over a bag of lawn.

He wasn't.

He swerved to hit it.

I would never, listen, that is something people might actually, because of my stamp.

In his H2, he fucking, he said, he had a Call of Duty wrapped thank you he had a call of duty three wrapped h2 and he fucking we were driving down he's going he's drunk as hell we're driving down the fucking street he sees this pooch run out

and it was the smell of rubber and gristle and blood has i can smell it now

It's funny you say that because people do get mad at me when pets come up.

So we try to never bring up dogs or cats on because he hates animals.

I don't like animals.

Yeah.

It's like one of the only things where people sort of, because, you know, we talk about the most ridiculous shit,

opinions and things Brian has done, but that's one of the only things where people are like, oh, what the fuck?

Yeah, yeah.

The cat shooting thing is fucked up, too.

I didn't show you the cat first shot.

The cat, he shot the thing and it fell on the cat.

Oh, wait, I forgot that.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you guys, I'm going to be in tons of trouble this one.

You killed Pepe LePue as well, right?

Well, that's because he's, you know, he's problematic.

Well, you started those rumors to speed his reputation.

Started the rumors.

And just to be clear, we're talking about the voice actor.

The voice actor.

No, no, I.

Because you hit him in the H2 also.

We're on our way.

If you go to, if you see Brian at a gas station filling up his fucking Call of Duty 3 rap H2,

you'll see above the gas tank a bunch of like scratches with lines through them.

And that's kills.

It's one of the things that I'm saying.

I don't kill anybody.

I've never killed a person in my life.

He gets out driving on the highway.

He thinks

he's in the Quentin Tarantino Robert Roger.

He gives

death proof.

I did.

I'll say this because I got grief from my wife about it.

We were going to this thing, and my daughter and her boyfriend were in the back seat.

And we were running late.

And this guy in front of me was driving like so slow in like the

speed limit, I would imagine.

Well, he was driving very slow, in my opinion.

And I didn't do anything.

I just was like, I wish I had a gun in this car to wave at the guy.

Oh, you don't want to do that, brother.

You don't want to do that.

I saw a crazy viral video about that.

Yeah, well, if you got a gun, you're going to wave it.

You better be ready to use it because the other guy might have it.

Here's what you do.

Here's what you do.

You point the gun at you.

Well, I don't want to say that, but you point the gun at a passenger and then you do that.

And you're like, huh?

If I'm willing to do that to my loved ones,

imagine what I'm willing to do to you.

Brace's face as he stopped himself there was just fantastic.

I didn't want to.

Yeah, I didn't want to.

Yeah, yeah.

But

yeah, yeah.

It's good that you got your license revoked.

I'll tell you.

I need to still have my license.

That's such a hardcore move that I've never thought of, Brace, that I will be using from now on.

No, at your loved ones or yourself.

You know, like somebody confronts you and you just put the gun to your head.

Yeah.

I don't even fucking value my own.

It's like when like a badass guy in the movie, there's like someone like the like the bad guy has like a gun to the hostage's head and the guy just shoots the hostage and then shoots the bad guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

That's what they teach.

I mean, everybody from like whenever that movie has shoot the shoot the hostage, I think everybody believes that is like a government rule.

Yeah.

Oh, it's speed.

And by the way, it probably is.

I remember when like we'd like check the bodies of ISIS guys, like they all had these little little suicide vests on and I was like that's kind of a good idea like right as you're going out you're just like

and blow your ass away when a guy did it in our base and his ball well I'm gonna say that but um he ended up in a lot of different places uh but I'm like that's a good ass thing to do like if you're wearing a suit like you're not doing a suicide bombing you're just wearing the vest to get what you want

Like if like I've never seen what's that movie with the priest is gonna blow himself up You know I'm talking about I never saw it.

It's like the

first Reform.

First Reform.

I didn't see it, but I've seen images from it.

I know.

I've seen it.

It's a really, really cool.

At the end of that movie, he should keep the suicide vest on, but then just go to McDonald's and be like, free hamburger or

the building's gone.

Yeah.

Because you could probably get like a week's worth of shit for like, give me the fucking PS5.

And Best Buy is just like, I don't want to deal with this.

Take the PS5.

Because my other thing is, if you're robbing someone, always ask for kind of a low amount.

so they just give it to you without much fuss that's smart that actually is because if you're robbing a bank just give me like give me 175

okay that's not yeah yeah because they're like we are we have so much we can even like that like that's like they'll weighing it out at that point whether it's worth the time to call the police and like deal with that the rest of the day or just like give this guy 175 and go that's like that's just like a thing that they'll have is like a discrepancy on the books or whatever you know yeah like that's like you spilled coffee on a drawer exactly they've probably lose that amount of money on a day-to-day, anyways, or whatever.

Yeah, you're good.

All right.

We're going to get out of here, everybody, before you guys get me in more trouble.

Brace.

Wait, I want to talk about,

I want to lecture about hardcore really quickly.

Okay.

Okay.

And go for it.

Hardcore music, and I hate to say this.

Hardcore music in its heyday was from 1975 to 1986, but I got to tell you, by 1986, it was getting a little rough.

I know that a lot of people who listen to this will probably disagree with me.

Unfortunately, I am objectively correct.

The book American Hardcore, which is a great book, and Please Kill Me and American Hardcore, like the only punk books when I was younger.

I love that book a lot.

It's great.

Have you read Please Kill Me?

I love Please Kill Me I like better

than American Hardcore because

that is like the stuff like the death stories and stuff.

Yeah, like I love that.

Did I tell you?

I met David Johansson from the New York Dolls.

Oh, God.

I met him.

I met him at Scorsese same night.

Not yeah, Scorsese.

And

I was so because it was like David Johanson.

They made like he made like a concert movie.

And I've never met a guy like that before.

You know, so like a guy, I'm like, I love your shit.

Cause I don't, I don't just love the dolls.

I love his solo albums, his two fucking solo.

And he also did It's Getting Hot, Hot, Hot as Buster Point Dexter.

And so he's there and he looks so fucking cool.

And he's got this little mustache.

And for some reason, in his dotage, he talks like an old black guy.

Like he doesn't have an old white guy voice.

He has like an old black guy voice.

And I'm not trying to do a racist impression.

That's just how it sounded.

It's clearly cultivated.

So I don't, but in a cool way.

And I just like, I met him

and I sat down and I was like, hey, and he was like, hey, what's your name?

He was like, so cool.

And I shook his hand and I realized I have nothing to say to him.

What am I going to say?

You know, this guy is so much cooler than me.

There is nothing I can say to this guy that will improve this guy's life.

And so, you know what I did?

I got up and left.

because i was like i'm gonna anything i do is just gonna make his day worse

like

there are guys that if i i met them i would probably i would i haven't i don't think met anybody that was like like a hero of mine so uh yeah i don't know yeah well

i mean maybe because i know you know i think at some point you will meet mr vance

JD Vance?

JD.

Well, maybe.

I mean, I'm going to try to get him on the show.

I think.

I mean,

Hey, you joke.

I had him on my show.

I have a cell phone number.

So, I mean, we could.

You are like the white Amy Therese, bro.

That sounds, yeah, but I got out of the politics game because

it depressed me.

And I think it was

maybe the perfect time after this election.

So, Bryce.

But no, no, let me finish.

Let me finish.

Let me finish.

Let me finish.

Let me finish.

I understand that a lot of people like hardcore that's made after that.

In fact, I would say most of the people who like hardcore like hardcore that is not the hardcore that I'm talking about.

Unfortunately, that is what hardcore music is.

The rest of this shit is just weird metal emo music that I'm going to be honest with you, I dislike more than I kind of dislike any other genre of music.

And not from like a territorial thing, but like, actually, the real hardcore is this.

I just think it's bad music.

You can send your messages to Brace directly on this to the hardcore fans.

Do not do it.

Do not do it because I will not listen.

I am firm in my opinion.

Contact him directly.

If you see him on the street, confront him about it.

it.

But remember, he has concealed carry and he is not afraid to use it.

I don't have concealed carry.

I just do it because if they don't say that, the cops are going to arrest you.

That's actually braver to do it without concealed carry.

It's kind of a pussy thing to get a concealed carry permit.

But

that's just how it is.

And also, the record by the band Saigon, which I think were from LA, like kind of obscure early 80s hardcore band, I think is one of the best hardcore records ever made.

Okay, a couple of the bands that you can listen to, they're real hardcore, just a few of them.

Well, Saigon is fucking great.

I mean, I'm just going to do the easy ones, Cro-Mags.

I do also love SSD, but I think people like Native Approach is big again, which is funny because they got back together because the guy always had the voice.

So, Native Approach, I think, is a good, like, one that people could probably get into because, you know, they're sort of nice sounding.

And I don't know.

I don't want to name too many.

I like, you know, I think

Cisco.

You got Verbal Abuse.

I thought they were really good, although that guy is really scary to me now.

And I, frankly, for straight edge stuff, actually, let me take that back because one of my favorite bands is straight edge band.

I love Judge.

Judge is a fantastic.

Perfect name for a straight edge.

Oh, they're really, really good.

It really is.

Oh, my God.

They're really good.

Bringing it down is a great album.

I love Judge.

I did save Annihilation Time in my phone because I read the description and it sounds like something I'd be very into.

No, really.

Annihilation Time 2, their second album, changed my...

I went on tour with them when I was like 16.

They had to call my dad

and get permission.

I went on tour with them in Municipal Waste when I was like 16.

Oh, see, that's a band that a lot of people around.

Municipal Waste is a big band, too.

They make a trend shooting themselves.

And I have to, and I have to, I'm going to make amends right now.

When I was younger, I really thought the guitarist of Municipal Waste did not like me.

And I think I was, frankly, probably correct.

And frankly, I think he was correct to not like me.

When I was older, when I was in my early 20s, I was at a show, like a fest that they were playing, and I was peeing.

And I was like, yeah, man, I really think that guy hates me.

And I was like, I was minorly talking shit because I felt rejected.

And he emerges from the bathroom stall behind me.

He's like, fuck you.

Because he heard me.

I wasn't talking major shit, but I was talking minor shit.

I've always felt guilty about that.

So if you hear this, I'm sorry.

I didn't mean that.

I didn't, I thought you didn't like me, and you probably didn't, and I was wrong.

But

is it hard to pee with the with your foreskin?

No, because mine, mine is, it, it sort of funnels because it narrows at the end, and so it's almost like you know how they make those devices so women can pee on the street?

No, oh, well, they do, you don't know that, they do, yeah.

Anyways, my shit is naturally like that.

And Nihilation Time 2, I think, is the, it's not really a hardcore, but it's the greatest punk or punk adjacent record, I think, of the past 24 years.

I'm going to check it out when we're done here.

But, Brace,

you know, Truanon, and you know, Brace is always around.

He's

King of the Punks, Prince of the Skins.

That's that's Brace, and we'll see you next week with fucking something.

I don't know.

Bye.